Illegal Immigration Under Attack

Friday, President Trump will sign another Executive Order on immigration.  Some are calling this “mass deportation”.   Let the discussions begin!

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    WordPress is having some issues. I’m watching, so if your comment don’t show, comment about it so I can check.

    • Jim Duncan says:

      How does it feel?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        It’s happened before. It’s not that uncommon to have issues with computer technology. Their server/site could be under repair, could be just having a bad server day. It’s a machine, they malfunction. I deal with it by being calm, try to find any problems and once all issues I can check reveal nothing, then I know it’s them. I then tell everyone here and we deal with it, it’s just another part of living in the real world.

  2. gmanfortruth says:
  3. Jim Duncan says:

    There is no such thing as illegal humans.

    Humans(ALL HUMANS) have a natural inalienable right to free travel and of association. To forcefully regulate or restrict it is the crime.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Go to Mexico and see how that works out for you. Our immigration laws are minimal compared to many, many other countries. Try living in the real world, not your fairy land.

      • Jim Duncan says:

        I’ve actually considered that, Gman. I have never actually been to Mexico. As many places as I have seen, I have never been to our neighbors.

        And while I’m thinking about it, I want to apologize to all the Mexican people whom I so openly and boastfully and ignorantly criticized and insulted here on SUFA a few years ago.

        I feel like I made a real ass of myself with all those awful things I said. I feel absolutely terrible every time I think about it. And the worst part is that it was after being treated so well by Mexicans, after being taken in a treated like a king when I was in an uncomfortable situation far from home.

        I like Mexicans. And I think they are a beautiful people. And I want them here in America, even the misfits and criminals, drug dealers and whoever, because they deserve to be a human too, to be able to seek a better life, to change and grow. If not, nature has it’s way of taking care of that.

        All that statist fear mongering divide and conquer economic competition adversarial nonsense is evil. It is just plain wrong. On some fundamental level, it is just wrong.

        What about freedom and rights?

        • gmanfortruth says:

          If you go to Mexico, illegally, it’s a two year jail term. Other countries are worse.

          We have had a good immigration program for a very long time and it works. Like everything with government, it takes time to jump through all the hoops. That can be fixed.

          And I want them here in America, even the misfits and criminals, drug dealers and whoever,

          That comment is lacking of any common sense. We have enough of our own criminals, we don’t need them imported. This is the very reason why your utopia fairy land will never exist.

          • Jim Duncan says:

            I have a passport. I can go anywhere I want to. Anywhere I will be accepted. I hope other cultures would accept me without suspicion or hostility such as the USA does to me a born American as well as foreigners. …should I decide to travel.

            I use the term criminals loosely. After all, the state that claims jurisdiction criminalizes the very foundation of what it means to be human. We’re all criminals Gman. I dunno if you happened to notice, but this is 2017 Earth Prison Planet Hell.

            (I vote for a Prison Break)

            We’re no better than the misfits. We are misfits. Let’s not kid ourselves. Everyone screws up their whole lives repeatedly until they have enough experience to figure it out. That figuring it out part of the process is called wisdom.

            My wisdom tells me not to judge some foreign misfit like me with different skin. My wisdom tells me that this adversarial by proxy of the media and state borders economic disaster is not the way to go.

            My wisdom also tells me that Mexicans like to smoke good pot like I do.

  4. gmanfortruth says:

    http://www.libertyheadlines.com/ny-city-corrections-releases-ms-13-gangbanger-despite-ice-detainer/

    This begs for an important chat. If this released criminal commits a violent crime, should the person or person’s who ordered the release be held legally and criminally responsible?

    IMHO, if they release a violent criminal knowing he should not be in this country, then that person(s) are just as guilty of the future crime as the one committing it.

  5. gmanfortruth says:

    A group of lawmakers is planning to request a congressional investigation of a $418 million U.S. weapons sale to Kenya approved by the Obama administration on its last day in office.

    The sale, approved by the State Department and privately notified to Congress on January 19, would allow Kenya to buy 14 weaponized crop-duster-like planes — including two trainer planes and services, for missions against terrorist group al-Shabaab.

    The deal was publicly announced the Monday after Trump’s inauguration.

    A handful of lawmakers, led by Rep. Ted Budd (R-NC), are questioning why the contract to produce the planes was awarded to major defense firm L3 Technologies — which has never produced such a plane — while a smaller, disabled veteran-owned company in North Carolina that already make those planes at a lower cost was not considered.

    The Mooresville, N.C. company, IOMAX USA Inc., costed out 14 planes at $237 million dollars, according to a Budd aide.
    http://www.libertyheadlines.com/lawmakers-request-probe-418m-arms-sale-kenya-obamas-last-day/

    My first issue is the “crop duster” like planes that are weaponized. Weaponized how and with what?

    The contract appears to be political in nature too.

  6. gmanfortruth says:

    NBC Videos Enlist Condescending Kids to Trash Trump for Bigotry, Border Wall, Ban

    NBC News handpicked anti-Trump tykes for two propaganda videos to make it appear that every child in American thinks Pres. Trump is an ignorant racist and threat to the country.

    Not one child in either “Dear Mr. President: kids Talk Trump” or “Dear Mr. President: Letters from the American Children” says he actually supports Trump’s efforts to keep America safe from terrorism or stop the influx of illegal aliens.

    Both videos open with smarmy, false compliments to give the illusion that these kids haven’t been indoctrinated by leftist teachers and liberal media…but, then, both launch into unrelenting snide rebukes couched in innocent-kid-speak.
    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/nbc-video-enlists-condescending-kids-trash-trump-bigotry-border-wall-ban

    NBC is no better than CNN, Liberal propaganda bullshit artists posing as news media. BUT, it is protected garbage, that don’t mean it shouldn’t be called out for what it it…..Communist propaganda. It may even be called Hitlerish, considering his use of children during the NAZI era.

  7. Jim Duncan says:

    Obama’s Wisdom

    I would like to extend a compliment to President Barrack Obama in honor of his wisdom in regard to multiculturalism. I know that is a bit unnatural for me to compliment a statist, as they generally disgust me. But I have to hand it to him. Right on Barrack Obama.

    You see, Obama is multicultural, and was a community organizer as we all know. His wisdom comes from seeing the value in that propagandized feared foreigner living right next door proving that the fears are or were completely irrational. His wisdom comes from experience of being that foreigner next door demonstrating the fear is just nonsense.

    That is discernment of good and evil. That is the value of life in a lesson of reality.

    That is presumably why Obama moved to welcome a bunch of foreigners to the good ol’ melting pot USA. Forgive for saying it like this; but you might even say that it trumps that fear mongering nonsense.

    It’s not so easy to be scared of the person who does things like move your garbage can out of the street, or who gets you really good deals on merchandise, or who is an accounting genius who just saved you a lot of money, or who teaches your children language skills, or who does all the things that everyone else who is simply human does. ..or who is absolutely beautiful.

    That is wisdom.

    That is reality, in your face, proving everything else wrong.

    Again, right on Barack Obama.

  8. Jim Duncan says:

    • Jim Duncan says:

      He didn’t have to hear it. He was it. Ludwig van Beethoven was a beautiful human being, a product of unbridled creativity.

      Right on Ludwig Van Beethoven.

  9. Mexico’s foreign minister refuses to accept American Federal Law on immigration and is going to the UN to solve the problem….

    D13’s answer………please do go to them….our answer? Pull out of the UN.

  10. Jim Duncan says:

    O.K., I know I am not being a very good Anarchist by complimenting statists, but I have to hand it to Dwight D. Eisenhower. He also exhibits wisdom through experience.

    Eisenhower has quite the resume if you care to research it. He was a genius, of sound mind. Not only was he instrumental in WWII, but used the people’s stolen hard earned money to give us things like the freeway system and NASA, as well as DARPA and a few other things.

    He showed wisdom in foresight, in promoting progress, in being able to recognize a good idea. That’s how the freeway system started. He saw the efficiency of the Autobahn, which was a product of the leadership of his adversaries.

    He also showed wisdom in being able to foresee problems too.

    He showed wisdom in being able to discern between good and evil.

    He showed wisdom in knowing when to speak up with a concern of importance. That explains his speech about the military industrial complex. He had an opportunity to say something, and he chose to warn us of a potential evil. He knew all about it because he not only used it in battle, but also helped to build it.

    Ultimately, I think his wisdom in regard to war was about knowing to avoid it unless necessary. Or perhaps it is better to suggest that he understood war itself to be the true enemy. Who else is as qualified to say?

    Try considering his position while building a war machine from hell.

    I wonder why the people haven’t the wisdom to have heeded his very qualified warning.

    Right on Dwight David Eisenhower.

  11. Jim Duncan says:

    Jim showed wisdom in knowing when to correct a friend, when to apply tough brotherly love. He called me up out of the blue and gave a more than thorough tongue lashing one morning for being just plain wrong.

    He was a bit of a temperamental asshole at times, but he did me one hell of a favor. I really did need that.

    Right on Jim.

  12. Col., Ryan is coming your way. Open his eyes that he may see.

  13. Jim Duncan says:

    @ Judy

    If you’re out there, if you happen to be reading, ..I would like to extend a compliment to you, ma’am.

    I want to tell you that you’re beautiful. You are beautiful because you have a good heart, because I believe you are a Good Samaritan. Somewhere in the core of your being is goodness.

    I fell into a burning pit of hellfire and damnation once. Someone tried to throw me a rope. It helped.

    Right on, Judy.

  14. Jim Duncan says:

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  16. gmanfortruth says:

    (Free Thought Project) MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski just erased any lingering doubts the corporate press serves almost wholly to vomit propaganda in order to control public perception, in a rather stupefying statement during an exchange with Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough about President Trump possibly “trying to undermine the media.”

    “Exactly. That is exactly what I hear,” Scarborough stated. “What Yamiche said is what I hear from all the Trump supporters that I talk to who were Trump voters and are still Trump supporters. They go, ‘Yeah you guys are going crazy. He’s doing — what are you so surprised about? He is doing exactly what he said he is going to do.’”
    MSNBC Morning Joe photo

    “Well, I think that the dangerous, you know,” Brzezinski replied, “edges here are that he is trying to undermine the media and trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that, that is our job.”
    http://www.libertyheadlines.com/msnbc-job-control-exactly-people-think/

    And for many….it’s working 😦

  17. Sixteen year old kid and his mother, in a stolen pickup …..following a jogger at 6 am in Arlington, Texas…pulls in front of the jogger…..juvenile kid jumps out with a gun in his hand and demands property ( watch and money ) ….jogger pulls out his own weapon…shoots the kid…..mom and kid caught.

    Dont mess with Texas…..

  18. Jim Duncan says:

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  19. Jim Duncan says:

    Video removed

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Jim, I love music, all kinds. This is a political blog , not a music blog, so the videos will be removed. However, I will gladly open up a music thread that you can post music too all you heart desires.

      The videos, in large numbers slows the site loading down and is annoying. Site loading, even without the videos, I try to post a new thread at about two hundred or so, depending on the discussion at hand.

      So here’s the deal, no more videos. I’ll make a music thread to post music videos too.

  20. Jim Duncan says:

    You can’t stop it.

    Whatever it is, it put me on the road to Jericho.

    Whatever it is, it’s watching you kick me.

    Whatever it is, I get the distinct feeling that it doesn’t like you.

  21. It’s all relevant, all connected.

    We can talk politics, economics, war, peace, love, truth, the value of life all day long.

    I could really use some help in figuring some things out though. I have a personal problem that has apparently effected a LOT of people somehow.

    It appears crystal clear EXACTLY which nice and most beautiful Christian lady, Gman.

    Take a wild guess what her birthday is.

    I think someone is trying to help me point some things out, Gman.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that a LOT of people would like to know.

    I am not sure what it means, to be quite honest. And Frankly, it scares the ever living hell out of me to even be sitting here chatting about it.

    I have a sneaking suspicion that we have a judgement issue kind of situation. I am not sure what to make of it.

    Or maybe it means nothing at all. I’m just some crazy fuker living in fair tale land, right?

    • “I could really use some help in figuring some things out though.”

      With all due respect, please seek the help you need at your local psychiatric health center.
      We can’t help you here.

  22. There is a compounding or exponential factor to it.

    The longer you neglect it, the worse it is.

    I’m in no hurry. I got nothing to lose.

    I was done from the start as best as I can tell. I never had a chance to begin with.

    Yeah, let’s do wait.

  23. When did SUFA turn into Jim Duncan’s personal journey blog?

    in other news, is something in the water at FOX? They just announced Alan Colmes has died…earlier this week it was Brenda Buttner with Bulls and Bears. May they rest in peace.

    Who wants to bet there’s a connection between Milo being let go at Breitbart (to get to Bannon to get to Trump) and the O’keefe video due out today about CNN. I don’t know what the connection is, but they both have to do with weird sex. Something is bout to break loose.

    • What is the best method to tell a Muslim that you’re sorry, Anita?

      • Why is faith mentioned? People are people. You say I’m sorry, friend… and let the chips fall where they may.

        And that has what, anything to do with my post? I’m not going in circles with you.

  24. If the mark of an immature man is that he wants to die nobly for a cause, and the mark of a mature man is that he wants to live humbly for one,

    …then what is the mark of a man who has been denied judgement thereof?

    O

  25. On a long enough time line, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.

    Not someone, or anyone,

    EVERYONE.

  26. Everyone points fingers. Why not “reason together” instead?

    No?

    What is truth?

  27. I would really love to help my friends, but it is difficult to discern which are actually friends.

    I think Judy is my friend.

  28. Mexicans are my friends.

  29. “go and do likewise”

    ..like WISE, …as in wisdom.

  30. What would have happened if they had banned Beethoven?

  31. Whatever it is, it probably hates me much more than it does any of you.

  32. What is correction worth?

  33. Does life have no meaning if no one values it?

  34. Jim Duncan says:

    @Flag

    I watched part of him putting that dog down. I felt it pass from several feet away. They have something, whatever it is.

    On some kind of very fundamental spiritual level, all life has value, and therefore rights.

  35. I’m a little busy today, but I’d like to invite you all to participate in a social experiment.

    I comment on a few blogs other than SUFA, though SUFA is my primary residence.

    One such blog is BobCesca.com. I’ll let you experience it for yourself, but I’d like everyone to take a moment and go participate today. It’s a complete echo chamber and will reinforce your preconceived notions of the “left wing fake media,” but I’d really enjoy seeing how they handle a small swarm of POLITE AND RESPECTFUL but thoroughly dissenting conservatives.

    Have at it, friends!

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Any particular article or subject?

      • Whatever they’re talking about. Just pick the newest post and let them know why they’re wrong.

        Politely.

        I think it’s hysterical how poorly they handle dissent, so I’d like to show them what some actual dissent looks like.

        • I am tired of being called a Neanderthal! Early Cro-magnon is fine but no more Neanderthal.

          Hot Neanderthal women;

          https://www.google.com/search?q=neanderthal+woman&sa=X&biw=2144&bih=1023&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwiLs_fO_abSAhWKwlQKHXjAAtMQsAQIGQ

          • Saw your comment on the other site. Nearly fell out of my chair. No sooner do you open your mouth than someone tells you to “piss off.” 🙂

            • Christopher Foxx says:

              Yeah, he got called on his shit pretty fast with an actual reference to something showing that the claim he suggested isn’t true. (I have to say “suggested” because Trynosky didn’t actually say anything.) I can see where that stings.

              You said the people here give “respectful discourse and a debate on the merits”. So how does a rambling comment with ad hominems instead of actual content demonstrate that? Or is the “What do you know about anything?” rejoinder in place of an actual response what you see as “respectful discourse”?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                I viewed SK’s comments. I didn’t see a problem with someone giving their opinion on the matter. It seems you just have a problem with opinions that don’t fit yours. Here, his comments:

                Mexico does really not have very much to say about it. Their beloved oligarch of a former President, the ex-padrone in chief, wants to keep that safety valve wide open. God forbid the Mexican people cannot escape a country richer than Saudi Arabia where over 50% of the population live in poverty. It is long past due that that revolution continue. Viva Villa!

                What is not respectful?

              • Eeaaaasssy, gman.. I invited Mr. Foxx here, so play nice.

                Hi Chris, glad to see you over here.

                Now, to your point, I really can’t say I know enough about former President Fox (no relation, I presume), nor his desire to “keep the safety valve wide open.” I invite Mr. SKT to elaborate.

                But I do believe that he is correct in his assertion that Mexico is richer than Saudi Arabia despite half the population living in poverty, so that.. well, mildly irrelevant, but accurate at least.

                Then he calls for a revolution. I don’t know.. I have no idea what he was getting at there. Maybe he’s been hitting the sauce again?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                It’s all good Mathius. Some different views are always welcome. Just pointing out that SK’s comment wasn’t disrespectful.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                gmanfortruth: “It seems you just have a problem with opinions that don’t fit yours.

                Based on what? Mathius advocated people post over at bobcesa to show an example of the “intellectual’ and “respectful” debate that supposedly happens over here. SK’s comment was devoid of any intellectual content and his response when challenged was childish. My pointing that out wasn’t expressing an intolerance for a different opinion. It’s pointing out that SK wasn’t providing an example of what Mathius claimed he would.

                Your knee-jerk “Oh, I guess you just don’t like different opinions” reaction rather than responding to what I actually wrote doesn’t bode well for you providing a better example of what Mathius claimed than SK.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Howdy Chris,

                Sure thing. He goes by Godzilla, a friend from Southern Ohio. I asked him to test things out and check in. Then you came and I had to go watch. He checked in, got blacklisted after 3 whole posts.

                http://www.bobcesca.com/shocker-mexico-doesnt-approve-of-trumps-absurd-deportation-plan/

                Maybe you should ask JMAshby why he was blacklisted, I have seen him elsewhere and he was actually quite polite, compared to other places. Still Rolling. His last text……Brainwashed 🙂

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Chris, SK’s comment, which I posted above, was factually correct. How is that not intellectual? Which takes me back to his post and the subsequent attacks, it didn’t matter what he had said, if it didn’t walk the Liberal line, he would be attacked. It actually proved Mathius’s point, and my experiences on other sites that are predominately Liberal, opposing views are not welcome.

                Now if you would like to discuss immigration, please feel free to comment below and start a new discussion on the matter.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                Mathius: “Hi Chris, glad to see you over here.

                I prefer Christopher. Thanks.

                Now, to your point, I really can’t say I know enough about former President Fox (no relation, I presume), nor his desire to “keep the safety valve wide open.” I invite Mr. SKT to elaborate.

                That you have to invite SKT to elaborate makes my point. You stated that the folks over here engage in “intellectual” and “respectful” debate yet I see nothing but vague claims and ad hominem comments in what SKT posted. There was no attempt to comment on or rebut the contents of the article or the other comments posted. Hell, the best you’re able to do is score him a back handed compliment for his off-hand assertion that Mexico is richer than Saudi Arabia (where he’s wrong, btw*) and suggest he may have been drunk when he wrote his post.

                This was to be an example of someone coming over from here to show the folks at bobcesca,com an example of intellectual discussion?

                * Saudi Arabia GDP per capita: $55,400 vs Mexico: $8,700. And just about every other economic measure shows Saudi Arabia to be “richer” than Mexico.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                gman: “I viewed SK’s comments. I didn’t see a problem with someone giving their opinion on the matter.
                gman: “SK’s comment, which I posted above, was factually correct.

                Clarify for me. Was he stating an opinion, or facts?

                And if the latter, please provide some support for the “fact” that Mexico has no say in the matter, particularly in light of Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray sating in no uncertain terms that the US cannot dictate to Mexico. Or the “fact” that Mexico’s ex-President is somehow calling the shots. Or the “fact” he’s equivalent to a Mafia-style gangster. Or the “fact” Mexico is richer than Saudi Arabia despite its lower GDP, higher debt level and larger segment of the population below the poverty line?

                Like I said, and you’ve done nothing to refute, SK’s comment was devoid of intellectual content and what little claims it had were easily shown to be unsupported.

                If the folks here are to serve as examples of the “intellectual” and reasoned debate Mathius claimed, I’ve yet to see it. (And notice that I’ve laid out the reasons for that. I haven’t just tossed off claims, disparagement and slogans and claimed they showed anything.)

              • I prefer Christopher. Thanks.

                Christopher it is, apologies.

                That you have to invite SKT to elaborate makes my point.

                Why? It’s his point, not mine. Don’t look at me.

                vague claims and ad hominem

                Vague claims: check (thus why I invite SKT to elaborate)

                Ad hominems: Where?

                There was no attempt to comment on or rebut the contents of the article or the other comments posted.

                That’s what I love about this place. Don’t buy it? Call him on his shit.

                Hell, the best you’re able to do is score him a back handed compliment for his off-hand assertion that Mexico is richer than Saudi Arabia (where he’s wrong, btw*)

                Mexico is “richer” in that it has a larger GDP. That is, as a country, it has gerater wealth (substantially greater). However, that is (of course) a function of the fact that it also has a significantly greater population. Thus technically true, but also wholly irrelevant.. as I suggest.

                and suggest he may have been drunk when he wrote his post.

                Well, when you’ve know him for as long as I have, you have to consider it a distinct possibility….

                This was to be an example of someone coming over from here to show the folks at bobcesca,com an example of intellectual discussion?

                I think maybe we’re all getting off on the wrong foot here. Why don’t you open up a new thread and have a debate about something? And if they step out of line, let me know and I’ll smack them around for you. What interests you that you’d like to see a thoughtful take on from the conservative (and extremely conservative) perspective? Maybe you’d be interest in what they think about Trump’s conflicts of interest? Or just how in the hell he really expects to get Mexico to pay for it? Ask and it shall be given to you.

                One thing to note, and I really have been here for a long time, so trust me on this: Other than Jim, everyone here means well. So when they’re rude, take it as a failed attempted to convey humor over the internet. If it’s Jim, well.. he’s in middle school, cut him some slack.

                Oh… and if you ever encounter someone named Black Flag, just close the browser tab.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                Why? It’s his point, not mine. Don’t look at me.

                Wasn’t looking to you. Was simply pointing out that if you have to invite him to elaborate then it’s supports my contention that he didn’t make his point.

                Ad hominems: Where?

                “beloved oligarch” “ex-padrone in chief” These are descriptions directed against the person rather than the position they are maintaining. Pretty much the definition of “ad hominem”.

                That’s what I love about this place. Don’t buy it? Call him on his shit.

                I have. But the whole reason I stopped over here was because you claimed the folks here engaged in reasoned debate. So far I haven’t seen it. That I have to call them on their shit (and that my doing so has gotten the ridiculous “well, you’re attacking just because you disagree with his opinion. I mean, his facts.” response) refutes your claim.

                I think maybe we’re all getting off on the wrong foot here. Why don’t you open up a new thread and have a debate about something?

                Sure. New threads open several times a day over at bobcesca and TheDailyBanter.com. Send them over to participate. I’m on record many times saying I really wish we had folks commenting who could put forward a different point of view in a valid, supported way rather than the trolls and talking-point-echoing folks who tend to drop by. That I relish having conversations with folks who challenge me and force me to re-examine my own views.

                I know that’s what you tried to do, but they really let you down. Their visit there and my visit here have given me no reason to see the SUFA folks as being any more intellectual and respectful that our typical troll. I’m open to being proven wrong. Send ‘em over. And if they make valid points but get disrespected for it, I’ll stand up for them.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                gman: “Which takes me back to his post and the subsequent attacks, it didn’t matter what he had said, if it didn’t walk the Liberal line, he would be attacked.

                This is where the frustration comes from. Someone gets called out on lacking support for what they claimed (as SK was), and folks like you then try to complain that he was “attacked” just because he expressed a different view. No, he was criticized and dismissed because he wrote nothing of substance and what little he did write was demonstrably wrong.

                When someone writes “Mexico wants to keep the escape valve open” responding with a link to evidence that that is not true is not “attacking them because they don’t walk the Liberal line”. It’s attacking what they wrote and showing that it is wrong. Is that clear distinction lost on you?

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                gman:Howdy Chris

                I prefer Christopher. Thanks.

                gman: “He goes by Godzilla, a friend from Southern Ohio. I asked him to test things out and check in. … He checked in, got blacklisted after 3 whole posts. .. he was actually quite polite,”

                1) All three of his posts are still there plain for the whole world to see. How is that any kind of “blacklisting”?.

                2) “It isn’t just Mexican’s that are the problem, Skippy. Maybe you should get better research done……SKIPPY!”

                That’s “respectful” and “polite”?

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Chris, Going to the bottom to reply.

              • SKIPPY!”

                That’s “respectful” and “polite”?

                Try to take it in jest. Humor comes over poorly on the internet. Remember that I have accused SKT of being drunk, Goldie of dying of old age, and D13 of senility, all within the last hour. (the fact that all 3 are probably true is beside the point).

                As we are wont to do around here, fire back.

                All three of his posts are still there plain for the whole world to see

                That would certainly seem to support your side of things. I don’t know if blacklisting erases your past comments or just prevents further ones. I don’t personally care so much, but if you want to ask Ashby, feel free. I won’t – he already hates me.

                he was actually quite polite,”

                Gman – going to have to agree with Christopher here. He wasn’t exactly “rude,” but he was far from “quite polite,” too.

              • Christopher Foxx says:

                I don’t know if blacklisting erases your past comments or just prevents further ones.

                In my experience, both. Hence my skepticism given the comments are all still visible.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                SKIPPY!”

                That’s “respectful” and “polite”?

                In response to “Sparky” which SK was referred seemed equal in terms. Dickhead would have not been acceptable, but Skippy is OK. I’ll actually take the blame for that, I call my friend Skippy all the time 🙂

                All three of his posts are still there plain for the whole world to see.

                Yes, the moderator didn’t delete them. When one that is blacklisted tries to comment, a red box comes up informing him/her of being blacklisted.

            • Look if you cannot on your own figure out how much oil Mexico is sitting on and has pumped I can’t help you. This is not kindergarten and I’m fairly tired of dealing with idiots too stupid to “look it up”. The Colonel can probably give you a rough estimation of Mexico’s wealth.

              I have, over the years’ been lucky enough to score a copy of the privately printed bio of Wm. F. Buckley Sr. which goes into Mexico, its politics, history and its mineral wealth. In addition I have read several histories. The Mexican people are screwed over and over again and, if it were not for the remittances sent south and the steady outflow of population, the place would explode.

              There have been interesting analyses done on the top 1% in Mexico. They tend to all cluster together and generally have been the ones claiming the most Spanish blood (with exceptions). The class system is alive and well. They are the “grandees” I would love to see Vincente Fox’s bank account (in Switzerland). I suspect he could pay for the whole wall himself.

              Most Americans shoot their mouths off about everything and in fact are ridiculously guilty of ethnocentrism, especially the left these days. I learned my lesson from Viet-nam though, even regarding that place, I had serious questions before, as a teen about us judging “them” by our standards or even assuming that there are some common universal values (Doesn’t everyone want freedom?).

              Jefferson was right when he claimed that WE hold these truths to be self-evident though not in the way he thought. The “WE” is the result of the Enlightenment of Greek and Roman moral philosophy of Judaism and Christianity. It is certainly not universally accepted and cannot be until the prerequisite education is embraced.

              I remember an exercise a few years back about which colonial powers left the worst mess behind. Generally the Belgians and Dutch were the messiest with the Spanish running closely behind. Then the Portuguese, French and finally, the English who at least incorporated the native populations into significantly high positions in the civil service to allow their former colonies to have a shot at success.

              By the way, “Skippy” is the term of endearment that Leroy Jethro Gibbs , the Mark Harmon character in “NCIS” reserves for the enthusiastic but inexperienced newbie. Much more polite than dickhead.

        • Boy, you hit that nail on the head! Gonna have to lock and load a 15 round mag and keep it by the door.

        • Someday you will realize who the real brownshirts in the society are. My political development occurred over a very long period and is still ongoing. In that time I have confronted a few idiotic right wingers who mostly don’t know shit but they pale compared to the raw numbers of left wingers who are just plain evil in their thinking.

          • Someday you will realize who the real brownshirts in the society are.

            I think you’ll enjoy this.

            In that time I have confronted a few idiotic right wingers who mostly don’t know shit but they pale compared to the raw numbers of left wingers who are just plain evil in their thinking.

            Am I “evil” in my thinking?

            • gmanfortruth says:

              The reaction to SK’s post isn’t unusual. I’m a little different with my use of DISCUS, I use a different handle and generally don’t take crap. I avoid certain words by posting pictures that get my point across. I’d probably get blocked by within the first hour.

            • No, you are not evil…..well, you were pretty evil locking DPM in your basement…..but other than that…nah….you do not fit the description.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              Yes, your thinking is evil. Whether you personally are evil will depend on how you react to discovering the evil in your thinking. And of course how you act upon that.

            • I do not see you as ever posing me a physical threat nor to that of the POTUS. Suffice it to say that the ones I refer to as “evil”, sure would if they could. I’m surprised you did not pick up on the difference.

              Oh, I too have been banned, Jesus, I’ve said worse here!

              I am less and less sure that this “divide” will end without blood being spent. I am less and less sure that Prez Trump will physically survive four years. If THAT happens all bets are off. Not to be a broken record but as I said to my SDS, Black Power amigos in 1967. “Watch out when you call for Power To The People because if they had it, you would be hanging from a lamp post.”

        • So, you figure a colonel would get ripped pretty good over there? Have to try it.

          • I think a little diversity never hurt anyone. And if they can’t hand the good colonel, well, that’s their loss.

            Oh, and yes, Texas is a wholly owned subsidiary of the United States. Did you not get the memo when we kicked your teeth in in 1861-65? 😉

            • Wow…..you need a history lesson……you beat the South…..not the Republic of Texas….we just quit fightin’ fer awhile. Ended up winning in the long run, although Mexico is trying to take over again….but we an handle that.

    • You, sir, are a trouble maker. That’s ok, though…I’m a trouble maker also. 😉

  36. gmanfortruth says:
  37. gmanfortruth says:

    @Mathius and Buck.

    How would you guys feel if Trump signed an EO that stated the entirety of Obamacare, with exceptions noted in the EO, will not be enforced by the Federal government.

    • I’d feel the same way as if Obama had done the reverse.

      The Executive branch does not get a magic want to make or void laws. He can – within limits – alter HOW said laws are enforced, either agressively or with prioritization, etc – as is the role of an executive.

      But for a President to (effectively) void an entire law – especially one as huge as this? Such an EO would be blatantly unconstitutional.

  38. Jim Duncan says:

    @ Anita

    The reason to be nice, to be humble and try to make peace in every way you can, to exhaust every method you can possibly tolerate, to give every opportunity to do the right thing, is because when you do have to use the stick, you don’t have to second guess yourself.

    Plus it separates wheat from tares, which is really just a way of saying discernment between good and evil.

    What does it do with peace? Value it or throw it away?

  39. Jim Duncan says:

    The Lord Of The Rings is based on a false premise.

    It takes two rings to rule a kingdom.

  40. Jim Duncan says:

    Video removed.

  41. @ Mathius…….Texas a wholly owned subsidiary? Sigh…….

    How do you get signed up to post?

    • It should prompt you when you try to reply.

      This is all very entertaining for me. 🙂 Your participation is appreciated – I think they’re losing their minds.

      Which one of y’all is Godzilla?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Which one of y’all is Godzilla?

        I sent a friend who don’t post here. He has been banned already. The snowflakes can’t handle opposition. ROFLMAO. 😀

        • gmanfortruth says:

          He made 3 comments. Never a cuss word. Followed what other commenters were doing. Still LMAO 😀

        • Christopher Foxx says:

          He has been banned already.

          Your friend, who you decline to name, got banned almost instantly for posting something? Why does that sound made up? What if I told you I had two friends who got banned from here after posting just one comment? Wouldja believe me?

          So help me out. What name did your “friend” post under and to which article(s)? If they’ve been banned their comments would have been replaced with a marking indicating that, so we’ll be able to see if what you’re saying is true. (See, this is the kind of support for claims that folks over there like to see. It helps keep the conversations honest and substantive. Are you able to provide it?)

          And what did they say in their comments that got them banned so quickly? Surely if you really want folks to agree that the banning was uncalled for it would be helpful to give them all the info so they could agree the banning was inappropriate.

          In short, I’m calling your bluff.

          • That’s the spirit, Chris! Demand proof from the heathens!

            Gman, none of your “alternative facts!”

            • Christopher Foxx says:

              Mathius:That’s the spirit, Chris! Demand proof from the heathens!

              Gman, none of your “alternative facts!”

              Also, the “proof” was utterly lacking. The claim of blacklisting kinda falls apart when the comments are still there.

              Still waiting for an example of intelligent and respectful debate. Or was that what one could expect here just another of those alternative facts?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Sometimes we simply discuss things. Others our clan will just post their thoughts and others theirs.

                Sorry if that is not the full measure of the advertising you saw but I do wonder why you think the comments here are not respectful. Although I am not sure I would use that term to describe our discussions. I think “civil” would have been better.

                It is civility that slips from time to time and we have to reign it back a bit. Respect is something earned here, by the way. Stick around, make comments and offer opposing opinions or analysis. I am betting the worst thing you might get called is a leftist or Democrat, or the worst of all, a Progressive.

                One of us does get a little to far out there with the liberals all have a mental disorder stuff. But others here chime in and try to calm him down. I have never seen that on one of these left leaning sites. That is one or their own chastising their friends for obnoxious commentary. And yes, I know it is a fallacy to compare one to the other in defense of the first. But I can’t help but notice the tone of each of your comments has been rather harsh. Why so?

                I promise, you can leave the anger and hostility at Cesca’s place if you want to visit here. You won’t need it. Not that you are prohibited from losing your temper from time to time. We all do.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                One of us does get a little to far out there with the liberals all have a mental disorder stuff.

                Yea, that would be me. Guilty as charged. But at least I’m open and honest 😉

                I promise, you can leave the anger and hostility at Cesca’s place if you want to visit here. You won’t need it. Not that you are prohibited from losing your temper from time to time. We all do.

                True, it’s much funner to talk about the subjects than about what and how people word things. Christopher will be challenged.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            The guy who wrote the article admitted he banned what he claimed were right wing trolls.

            And Neither Gman nor I would believe a claim of people being banned here without our knowledge. As we are the only ones, with the exception of a friend of a dog who drops in from time to time, who can ban anyone.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Despite some pretty ugly discussions in the past, to the best of my knowledge we have always worked through those troubling times. NO ONE has ever been banned from SUFA.

              • Remember Goldie? She was banned (or was it just asked to leave?) after she kept posting wildly racist things (in all caps) about Obama.

                Or maybe she just died? I think she was like 112 years old.

            • Canine Weapon says:

              “a friend of a dog who drops in from time to time”

              Is it the dog who drops in or the friend? I’m unclear.

      • Ok will try it again.

  42. Jim Duncan says:

    Responsibility of armistice vs. surrender

    Responsibility of armistice goes to the hegemonic power.

    What is necessary?

  43. Been trying to get in….cant get my e mail verified.

  44. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius

    Why in the world would you spend time on any site linked to Bob Cesca? Remember, that is the guy that helped convince USW to start SUFA. Some of the USW’s first articles were on Cesca himself. How he is a propagandist and provocateur.

    Ever notice how the “RATS” in the political media business never go away? They just keep changing suits. I about chocked to death when I saw MSNBC’s hero of the blue collar labor guy reporting on the Russian News TV (Ed Schultz). Then it comes out that RTV was the conduit (supposedly) for the Russians messing with Clinton’s campaign. Some irony is just priceless.

    • That’s how I found SUFA in the first place all those years ago! Cesca linked back to USW.

      Meanwhile, Why in the world would you spend time on any site linked to Bob Cesca?

      I like a rounded opinion. That’s why I SUFA. I read the far left, I read the far right, I read the middle. Only then can I see the bigger picture. If I spent all my time here, I’d only see what you lunatics think. If I spent all my time at HuffPo, I’d only see that.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        I have no problem with diversity, and in fact encourage it. Just wondering why you would bother with anything he produced as being a good source of diversity.

        Now if you want to be reminded of how unhinged some folks can be then I guess I can understand. Then again, even American Thinker had its share of those types during the election.

        • Just wondering why you would bother with anything he produced as being a good source of diversity.

          Of course it’s diversity.

          Now if you want to be reminded of how unhinged some folks can be then I guess I can understand.

          But.. I have the SUFA lunatic asylum for that…?

          Then again, even American Thinker had its share of those types during the election.

          Talk about lunatic asylums…

          At least it’s not Breitbart.

  45. GMAN!! Unblock me and fix your spam filter!

  46. gman,

    Chris, Going to the bottom to reply.

    He’s asked 3x to be called Christopher. Do let’s try to put our best foot forward, shall we? Remember our conversation about you using the term “Democrat” correctly?

  47. gmanfortruth says:

    Chris,

    Maybe it’s a good time to lay some stuff on you that may or may not come as a surprise. Bob Cesca is not a strange name and neither is how commenters treat those who enter their special world. For example I take you back in time:

    https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/the-lefts-racism-fixation-lacks-critical-thought/

    https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/part-2-of-the-lefts-racism-fixation-lacks-critical-thought/

    You will find Mr. Cesca’s name in print from about 7 years ago.

    I’ve been around the block awhile, as most here. We all fully understand how things work on Liberal sites, opposing views are not well received and in many cases, just shut off. I’m used to it, as others are as well.

    With that said, your buddy over at the Cesca site who recently posted nothing but typical Liberal attack garbage (Victor The Crab) will probably not get blacklisted for his ignorant comments, which are far worse than anything Godzilla said. My answer to that…….Hypocrits!

  48. gmanfortruth says:

    Here’s what doesn’t seem quite right about the immigration issue . Obama deported hundreds of thousands of illegals the last few years and I didn’t hear a peep from the Left.

    Then there is this beauty from over at Cesca’s site:

    Badgerite Godzilla • 27 minutes ago

    Enough is enough is right. You cannot send illegal immigrants who originate from countries other than Mexico back to Mexico. That would be no different then telling Mexico it had to accept illegal Chinese immigrants and telling Canada it had to accept illegal Mexican immigrants. Can’t be done. Legally.
    So…..you would have to sneak them across the border. Which would be hard if you are planning to put up a 30 foot wall and all.
    USA. USA. USA.

    Forgive me for seeing this as lacking of intelligence. The US sends illegals back to their country of origin. This is common knowledge.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      I read that article and all the comments. People are reacting to their own issues and not what was actually said by anyone in particular.

      The comment you posted is in reaction to the Administration’s proposal to return people caught in the US to countries where they came from. So a Nicaraguan who is caught at the border of Mexico would be returned to Mexico. Seems pretty fair to me. After all, that “Illegal Alien” would have violated Mexican laws first. We are just speeding up the extradition.

      The comment is accurate in that current law requires the receiving country to be “willing” to take the non citizen being deported by the USA.

      But it is not accurately responding to the comment to which it was attached. This and some of the others also miss the point that SK and Mathius were making. Even if the law is not changed Mexico will have little choice but “to agree” if the US really wants to push the issue that direction.

      They may not have to, as a matter of “legal right” but rights are not enough to stand on when the bully has a gun to your head.

      So in summary, the comment is not an example of ignorance. But it sure seems misplaced with respect to how it was used in the thread.

      By the way, per Google the current President of Mexico is considered an Oligarch by many outlets, including Foreign Policy. That would make SK’s use of the term an accurate statement and not just an ad hominem attack.

      • I am afraid that talking about Mexico from a personal perspective is going to get the same response that I got from Buck……unless he sees it in print, it matters not what I say. I do not lie and I do not embellish…..if I am wrong, I say I am wrong…..but there is no sense in telling anyone what I personally see and go through every single day that I am on the border….unless it is confirmed on some site….it is useless.

        • After reading Christophers comment’s…personal experience is not factual.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            d13thecolonel

            That is true. It is what we call anecdotal. However, if you boil it into some numbers and make a pretty graph it magically becomes Data and Fact. Hint, hint. 😉 😉

        • gmanfortruth says:

          From what I have seen occur, many of the hard Left sites have had a significant drop in comments since the election. The only ones left are the hard core or the angry keyboard commandos with nothing better to do than go online and attack those they disagree with.

          Now, what could happen is that you write an article on all the stuff you have experienced and what is going on now, and we can link the site and bring them here, which would be interesting.

          As far as linking different web sites. Even I don’t know who to trust anymore, it’s like a dart throw and hope it’s right. Much of what is linked to turns out correct, so we aren’t doing to bad. Sadly, so much out there is just political leaning propaganda. I prefer actual events versus opinions, but sometimes opinions are worth a discussion.

        • Colonel – that is a pretty unfair characterization and you know it. As I said, I put a lot more credence in to what you say than I probably should, especially seeing that you STILL have yet to come out to NYC for a proper steak!!!

          When you posit something from your experience I try hard to take it as true, but just because you have seen x, y, or z does not make it the case across the board, and depending on the point being made, sometimes I do need some independent verification. After all, you are just a senile old Colonel (your words, not mine!)

          Ok, I’m going to go duck under a table following that steak remark…

          • “As I said, I put a lot more credence in to what you say than I probably should,”…..Very true, you did say that and I really do appreciate it…..even without the steak. I am going to have to do this as my spousal unit has never been to New York. I tried to tell her she is not missing much…but suppose she does need to see it.

            “but just because you have seen x, y, or z does not make it the case across the board” A Very good point, even from a barrister…..

            “you are just a senile old Colonel (your words, not mine!)”…Mathius gets the credit for calling me that….. and I must..umm..it is….ummm…whaa?

            • NYC is great. Mrs. Colonel will love it!! Just let me know in advance…

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Buck……the Texicans would have to enjoy probably the finest dining experiences EVER. The best Broadway shows EVER, even if the show goes on the road it’s not quite the same as seen in NYC theater productions. Finest museums, SHOPPING for the spousal unit. Summer concerts in Central Park, The Met….Cruise up the Hudson to West Point….Fall is best though, for the colors……NYC downtown at night all lit up, there is no city like it….then beat the heck out of town, by train, back to Bedford Village in Westchester Co.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        JAC, your assumption may be correct. Maybe it would be appropriate to send all those who came through Mexico back into Mexico, but I don’t believe this would be a wise option for those not caught coming across. I see a difference from one caught at the border (send them back) versus one being deported from NYC.

        This also poses another issue with those countries who won’t take their people back, then what? We still must be humane in their treatment. As far as the country, goodbye to any AID, military sales and any other funding. Block those from those countries from coming here legally, until they deal with their own.

    • The question was raised the other night on TV. If Mexico allows free transit to Hondurans to come here for asylum, Then they should be returned to Mexico. If they seek asylum it should be there because Mexico allows asylum but they should not with Mexico’s acquiescence be allowed to “country shop”.

      the whole thing was a hypothetical question.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        SK

        I am pretty sure the Colonel will confirm this is not just a hypothetical.

        Mexico was in fact shuffling people through who they would not take themselves. They could, but they will not. Just think of those people on Mexican trains headed to the US border a couple years ago.

        From what I have found it appears that when people are caught in the US they have been trained to immediately ask for asylum. This forces ICE or Border Patrol to move them into the judicial review. Preventing immediate deportation.

        • This is correct…..we used to catch them with Department of State vouchers on them and an instruction sheet telling them exactly what to say and the phone numbers of lawyers. Once we made it public….and it got published….it was amazing how quick the vouchers disappeared.

  49. Just A Citizen says:

    Its all about Culture………. Finally someone says it to the right people.

    Seems about the right time to consider some of what is offered here:

  50. @ Mathius……I finally got it to work…..will try some postings but in reading things, it seems that all they care about for proof is quoting only specific sites. Unless you claim those sites, it appears everything is not proof but heresay. I think I will waste some time….but will give it a try.

  51. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius

    I did my best to be civil per your request. You should go back to the Cesca thread to see the reaction.

    Interesting thing happening to me lately, relative to commenting on other “leftwing” sites. The more I engaged the more really nasty replies I got. Not all but more. In fact I have flushed out some people who are dying to engage in civil discussion. I think they feel intimidated so when I just keep plugging away the finally show up.

    But back to the true trolls. Some of these really nasty people have taken to following me and posting similar responses to each and every post I make. Butting into conversations with others and on topics which they haven’t expressed an interest. It is obviously a form of harassment.

    I wish I could identify them in the real world. Would be interesting to see who they are and who they work for, if they work at all.

  52. Just A Citizen says:

    Almost forgot. Since nobody asked the other day, let me tell you anyway.

    All the dead dinosaurs were still in their cages. None had escaped. The Colonel has to be getting his from somewhere else.

    However, there were some new ones we did not see last time we visited. One is a “burrowing” dinosaur. Looks like many other two legged dinosaurs with claws and a beak. But imagine it burrowing around underfoot. It was about 6 feet long and several feet tall. I think there was also one new T. Rex.

    And we got to see a really cool Planetarium presentation on Gravitational Waves. Lil JAC liked the lights and music, and the 3D flyover and around, of a black hole surrounded by a galaxy.

  53. What is the answer to A or B?

    A: C

    What is the answer to A B or C?

    A: D

    What is the answer to A B C or D?

    A: E

    What is the answer to A or B,or C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9?

    A:0

    What is the answer to A or B,or C,D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K,L,M,N,O,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V,W,X,Y,Z,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9, or 0?

    A: Something else.

    There is ALWAYS something else. It is called freedom and creativity.

    As long as the option is unbridled it will always produce progress and innovation.

    What would have happened if Beethoven would have been banned?

    Would it matter?

    Would we know the difference or care?

    What would Beethoven say about it?

    What is a Beethoven worth?

  54. gmanfortruth says:

    Ultra-liberal website Huffington Post removed an article from their website yesterday which admitted Donald Trump was right about Sweden’s immigration problem.

    A Wednesday article written by Norwegian author and HuffPo contributor René Zografos entitled, “Trump is Absolutely Right About Sweden,” outlined the nation’s “huge problems because of liberal immigration policy.”

    “It’s well known for Scandinavians and other Europeans that liberal immigration comes with drugs, rapes, gang wars, robbery and violence,” wrote Zografos in the now-deleted article. “Additional to that we see the respective nations cultures fading away, for good and for bad.”

    Zografos documented that mere hours after Trump made his comments on Sweden, “there was a riot of violence and destructions by immigrants in the capitol of Sweden, Stockholm.”

    The site’s censorship of the piece is reminiscent of the time they deleted an article which discussed the multiple health problems facing Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/huffington-post-deletes-article-admitting-trump-right-about-sweden.html

    The actual cached article is imbedded with many Tweets as well.

  55. An interesting well thought out “take” on Crimea. Never even thought before to use the precedent “WE” created in splitting off Kosovo for entirely ethnic reasons.

    http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/blog/putins-claim-crimea-spurious-or-legit

  56. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius

    You can tell your internet acquaintance Christopher Foxx that I was banned from Cesca’s site and per disqus it was done “by a moderator”.

    Ask him to explain what it was in my comments that deserved being banned from the site.

    • JAC……I registered under this disqus thing with the same moniker that I use here…..and not one of my posts has been approved I guess….nothing is showing up. I will continue to try as I want Mathius to be entertained. Perhaps I need to register under a different handle.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13thecolonel

        You are wasting your time. I was told by a person attacking me verbally that he/she did so because of my prior comments. Which were on OTHER SITES. When you post a comment they click on your name and Disgus shows all your comments made on a Disgus site.

        And I was told to F Off not because I was being vile or violating any particular rule. But because my comments were deemed to be “conservative” and “stupid”.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Ever so true JAC. Notice how many have come here after Christopher linked us?

          Maybe Christopher will come back and actually debate an issue. Time will tell!

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Colonel, the military rank probably has you flagged. This is also common on Liberal sites, so I have heard from many friends who would normally use military rank in their handle. Try just D13 and you should be OK.

  57. gmanfortruth says:

    That interesting social experiment yesterday really didn’t show anything new at all. The attitude is the same today (if not worse) than it was back in the earliest days of SUFA. Liberal sites simply DO NOT WANT alternative views that differ from theirs. There are some differences now than what I was seeing before the election…..comments on these sites are far fewer. That is just an observation on my part.

    It was fun revisiting those older articles discussing the very same thing that was experienced yesterday. The more things change, the more they stay the same. 🙂

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The Chicago Public School District have told principals in the state to stop immigration agents from entering schools without a criminal warrant, the Daily Mail reported.

      Chicago Public Schools, the third-largest school district in the nation, took one of the boldest stances against Trump’s immigration policies out of the school districts in the country that have announced measures to protect students who are living in the United States illegally.

      “To be very clear, CPS does not provide assistance to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the enforcement of federal civil immigration law,” Janice Jackson, chief education officer of the Chicago Public Schools, wrote in a message to Chicago principals Tuesday.

      Other schools in Denver, Colorado, and Santa Fe, New Mexico, have taken similar stances on allowing immigration agents into the classroom.

      Santa Fe’s school district reaffirmed itself as a “sanctuary school district,” meaning that they will take steps to protect student privacy and refuse entry to immigration agents unless there is “lawful” contact with students, CNN reported.

      • Somehow I cannot envision ICE storming an elementary school building to find illegal immigrants. Few of the kids would be carrying any papers and large share might not even know their status. I can going in HS’s with a warrant for known gang members. Most of this is just scare tactics.

        • T Ray…I have the complete procedure in my possession and there is nowhere in those procedures that says anything about going into schools, homes, churches, or anywhere without a duly authorized warrant going after a paricular person.

          These news stories about the government going into homes and schools is not true…..profiling Hispanics on the road, is not true.

  58. gmanfortruth says:

    Back to the immigration issue.

    With the Connecticut Governor now telling State police agencies to now enforce immigration laws, adding them to the list of sanctuary cities and sanctuary schools, this poses a potential for an odd problem. What will these places have to say when hundreds of Federal agents decend upon these places to enforce the law, warrants in hand? What if these warrants also include the search for illegal guns and drugs of US citizens?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      Searches are limited to the warrant. If it is an immigration warrant I expect it is limited to finding the person listed.

      Now I wonder if all these people creating sanctuaries realize they are helping ICE by concentrating the Illegal Aliens in places where they can be more easily caught?

  59. Just A Citizen says:

    Question of the morning.

    Why did CNN hold a “debate” for the DNC Chair job?

    I find the event kind of strange. I guess we can expect the RNC to hold a debate on Fox next time they elect a new leader.

  60. Question of the day……………….trump’s speech at CPAC…….out of that whole speech and all the things that the democrats hated to hear….( Obamacare, etc etc ) The on thing that was focused on by the media and Nancy Pelosi today was Trump’s comment that he is NOT A GLOBAL PRESIDENT but an AMERICAN President…….America will come first……..and they are up in arms about dissing our allies?

    So……go TRUMP…..do not be a global President. America first…..I like that.

    • Disclaimer: Mathius did not watch the speech.

      Trump’s comment that he is NOT A GLOBAL PRESIDENT but an AMERICAN President…….America will come first

      It is (generally) the opinion of the liberals that helping the global economy helps America more than just focusing on “winning.”

      A stronger global economy can import more goods. A stronger global economy is a more peaceful world. Both of these thing are very good for America.

      By contrast, taken to the extremes, America comes first leads to trade wars, currency wars, and global unrest.

      The left also believes in leading by example. Not leading by self-interest. We’re not Rome. We’re, err… well, I don’t have a good way to end that analogy.

      • I did not watch the speech either…..just saw on the news what the hoopla was about. While watching CNN, they were aghast at the fact that we were leaving our allies out in the cold. I flipped to MSNBC….they were worried about a puppy mill up north somewhere….and Fox News was its usual talking points.

        “By contrast, taken to the extremes, America comes first leads to trade wars, currency wars, and global unrest.” If you take anything to any extreme…..it does not matter whom you are.

        “A stronger global economy can import more goods.” This is true.

        ” A stronger global economy is a more peaceful world.” Nahhhhh….cant go there.

        ” Both of these thing are very good for America.” Agreed but that does not mean that America cannot come first. Our people and our country come first. Trade wars do not need to start….making trade EQUAL is not a war. It is only fair.

        While I do not purport to be Rome….America can lead…and it can lead by taking care of itself. Anything left over, can be used to help others but you do not put yourself in trouble. We are not the world’s policeman…..likewise, we are not the world’s benefactor.

        But, you and I already have our ground staked out on this…..and you are entitled to your normal wrong opinion.*********

        ***** Anyone kibitzing from the outside….Mathius and I prone to taking good natured potshots at each other and yanking chains….it is not name calling or being obtuse. We are setting an example of how we both get our points across and be polite at the same time. So, you see, it is entirely possible for a brash Yankee New Yorker and a gentile soft spoken Texan gentleman can get along.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        When you negotiate with others do you look out for the interest of the other guy over your interest? Are you going to give up something you don’t want to lost just so the other guy gets a win?

        I would like to remind everyone that Trump’s America First rhetoric has never called for embargoes or negotiating to our advantage while harming others. All he has ever said is that any deal with be to our advantage. Which I will add, should be the same for the other side of the deal.

        All parties must win, or the deal should not be done. If it is done then it is proof of stupidity or coercion.

        • Ican answer this question for Mathius….”When you negotiate with others do you look out for the interest of the other guy over your interest? ”

          Sir Mathius works in hedge funds…..( I do not know if he is a manager or not )…..the objective for hedge funds is to make money. People in the financial trade that sell funds, stocks, etc…are not there to perpetuate the masses….they are there to make money for themselves. Granted, a poor manager, will not keep clients. but they are not going to take a losss to make sure someone else takes a gain. I would never use them if they did that. Neither does Sir MAthius….so……to keep the good Sir Mathius from the anguish of answering, the Colonel…errr..the Texas Gentleman, rides in on his trusty steed to save Sir MAthius from the dragon………NO SIR….I am not going ot negotiate a trade to my detriment.

          There, Mathius, you are saved.

  61. gmanfortruth says:

    The Liberal media is going nuts. They have no idea how to handle being under attack for their bias. This is still evolving and could really get interesting. They keep trying to change the truth and Trump keeps getting on tv and crushing them. This is so long overdue 😀

    • So I take it you are perfectly ok with a White House banning certain news agencies from a press conference? Be careful what you wish for…

      • Perfectly.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Buck

        I understand the why of it but I do not agree with the decision. They should have just banned everyone and ended the Press Conference fiasco.

        If and when POTUS wants to address the people then address the people. If and when POTUS feels it necessary to talk to the Press, then hold a Presser. Otherwise get on with the business of Govt. and let all the media hacks freeze.

        • Banning certain news outlets in this manner sets a very bad and dangerous precedent. I disagreed with Obamas early decision to ban Fox and was glad that was very quickly retreated. I hope the same is true with Trump but will not hold my breath.

          You are right – much better to end the whole thing than ban selective outfits.

          • Perhaps I need to catch up……..is the press being banned?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13thecolonel

              Huff Po, NYTimes, CNN and Politico.

              Now two of those are not really legit news outlets anyway. But then neither are some of the other “new media” which have been allowed into the press room.

              The administration is flexing its muscle and once again, playing into the hands of those freaking out. I saying playing into the hands because this will only set well with the ardent Trump supporters (see Anita’s comment for example).

            • Just A Citizen says:

              d13

              Apparently the LA Times was also included in the ban.

            • ok…..I got the “poop” some news organizations were not allowed in something called a back room briefing……BUT…..all news organizations got a complete written brief afterwards.

              So, if ALL news organizations received the briefing in writing, does it matter if some were left out?

      • I have a quick question on this. To me it is really very simple. If I look at your lifestyle and suggest in a public forum that you are a tax cheat and you know you are not, is it fair for you to attack me? Note, You are a public official and I am a newspaper. If you do attack me, I , in defense, will accuse you of trying to stifle my 1st amendments rights. If you continue to attack me I simply say, “See, it’s true”. If I then request to be at a news conference you hold and you bar me, are you denying my 1st amendment rights.

        From my perspective, what is going on with Trump is no different. Harry Reid’s allegations against Mitt Romney were repeated ad nauseaum by the media with no critical questioning. His denials wound up on page 37. I could go, if I had the time chapter and verse on every other Republican running or elected to that office back to Barry Goldwater.

        I, for one am mad as hell and NOT going to take it anymore and I am glad Donald Trump is too.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        The Huffington Post is adding an editor’s note to all of its future articles on Donald Trump, calling him a “serial liar” and “rampant xenophobe” for his comments against Muslims.

        “Note to our readers: Donald Trump is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, birther and bully who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.,” reads the note, which was added to an article about Mr. Trump’s “war with Fox News” published Thursday night.

        A Huffington Post spokesperson told Politico that the note will be added to all future stories about the GOP front-runner.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/29/huffington-post-disclaimer-on-donald-trump-stories/

        If I were Trump, HuffPo wouldn’t smell a press conference ever again.

  62. Very interesting tidbit on the Financial News this morning. This pertains to Connecticut.

    “On June 2, 2015, Governor Dannel Malloy signed into law Connecticut’s budget implementer bill for 2016, a bill which incorporated Public Act 16-29, an act creating the Connecticut Retirement Security Exchange. Public Act 16-29 was originally House Substitute Bill 5591, which passed the Connecticut House on April 26, 2016 by a vote of 76-63, and passed the Senate on April 30, 2016 by a tie vote of 18-18 when the tie was broken by the vote of Lieutenant Governor Nancy Wyman. The original bill had been sent to the Governor on May 13, 2016 and was subsequently incorporated into the budget implementer legislation.

    The Connecticut Retirement Security Exchange requires covered employers to automatically enroll their employees into a Roth-IRA arrangement. Covered employers are private employers with five or more employees who received at least $5000 in wages during the previous year, who have been in business for at least one year and who do not offer a qualified retirement plan. Employers with fewer than five employees may participate in the Program voluntarily but their employees are not required to enroll in the Exchange.”

    Hmmmm…requiring employers to automatically enroll employess into a state fund……a state social security fund?

  63. My God, Somebody at the NY Times got it!

    Note the quote regarding folks born in 1940 vs. those born in 1980.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      This is why people still do not understand and can be manipulated.

      “That ranges from the decline of unions and manufacturing to the rise of an urban service economy. Collectively, this translates to lower wages for working people, while the fruits of economic growth accrue at the top.”

      First, the decline of unions is not the factor. It is the loss of manufacturing, but not in a general sense. It was loss of manufacturing in those industries and regions that had been built around steel and automobiles.

      The existence and strength of unions comes as a byproduct of higher paying labor type jobs. SEIU is a growing union. Of service workers. There is only so much that can be squeezed out of a service job, at least what we normally consider as service.

      Second, the fruits of economic growth flowing to the top has NOTHING to do with the decline of the industrial manufacturing or the expansion of regular service businesses. It has to do with two major factors.

      One is the expansion of the financial sector, which is expanding due to FED and Govt. interference in the system. So those who make money in this sector are doing increasingly better when others were losing ground. Thus the difference in wealth. But this difference is not due to money flowing from one side to the other. It is the result of a growing financial sector and the increased wealth of those who work in it.

      The other factor is the type of service industry growth. It is coming via centralized business. This is necessary to provide services at an affordable price to consumers. But this results in a few people who own these businesses making more money. For example, the owners of Wal Mart get wealthy because they are consolidating the low cost grocery/retail business. This is where productivity gains can in fact flow to the top. But it is due to VOLUME of business primarily.

  64. My boys 18 and 19 have suddenly dropped it on me that they will be flying to CT tomorrow or Monday for an all expense paid trip to be on the Jerry Springer Show. Its all scripted, they just have to go along with the script. Supposedly my younger son cheats with my older son’s girlfriend and they get to scrappin on stage. I’m still not sure weather to laugh or beat them myself.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Surely, You can’t be serious?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Say it ain’t so Joe!

    • yeah, it’s a real thing. I’ve seen texts from the producers and a behind the scenes facebook page for them to see its all ‘legit’. They’re trying to convince my younger son to bring a girl along to make it more interesting. All expenses paid plus $250 per kid and show proof that you work and they’ll pay your wages for the day too. I’m trying to put myself in the 18/19 frame of mind, and I still can’t justify…. just….ugh. I have a headache. If it helps, my kids didn’t come up with the stupid idea, they’re going for the fun and profit.
      Whatever.

      • $250 to humiliate yourself of national TV! That’s cheap. Many companies today look at FB before hiring. They should be careful about long term repercussions.

        • yeah, I tried that angle…went over like a ton of bricks.

        • Here is a fun strategy;

          The more crazy and outrageous stuff posted, the better. Use it as bait to filter out nosy people judging you. Whether you think or do or believe it, say it anyway.

          Also, use several fake names registered to a real name, or no name at all.

          If they know it’s you, they are pretty nosy and had to go through a lot of trouble to find you.

          Logic can be fun.

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