The Deep State Spin

O-wellian-Obama-500x388After yesterday’s Wikileaks dump about CIA spying technology, which vindicated conspiracy theorist’s in a big way, watch how the Deep State minions come out and try to spin it and try and make it as if it nothing important.  While this document dump is still being reviewed,  what we do know is that the CIA can infect smart phones and smart tv’s to turn them into microphones.  They have tested infiltrating cars computers and take over the control’s.  One person is claimed to have been killed because his car was hacked.  This is still an ongoing review and there will be more coming out in the future.  This is also Part 1 of the dump, there is more to come yet.  This should pose an important question, how was all of this funded?  Let the discussions continue!  🙂



  1. gmanfortruth says:

    Funding? Afghanistan and the heroin epidemic? Just a thought. 😎

    • Mathius says:

      Funding? Probably black-market fetus parts from Planned Parenthood.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Always wondered how Pepsi got the product for its flavor

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          New Bern takes great offense at that comment. “Brad’s Drink” aka Pepsi, was invented in the late 1800’s just one block up the street.

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    A U.S. congressman was abruptly disconnected from his CNN interview Monday just as he began citing statistics revealing 300 refugees admitted to the U.S. are being investigated by the FBI in domestic terrorism cases.

    CNN correspondent Dana Bash was interviewing Rep. Scott Taylor, R-Va., on the issue of President Trump’s revised travel ban, which bars entry of individuals from a list of six terror hotbeds (Iran, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Syrian and Libya) for 90 days as the administration examines the vetting process.

    Bash asked Taylor if he believes Trump’s ban is necessary for America’s security.

    Just today, the FBI comes out and says that 30 percent, 30 percent, of their domestic terrorism cases that they’re investigating are from folks who are refugees,” Taylor replied. “It’s important not to label all refugees bad people, that’s not why I’m here, but …”

    That’s when the feed suddenly cut out. Taylor’s face and voice were replaced by an image of colored bars and a loud buzzing noise.

    “I was just going to say, congressman, it’s time to go, but I think the TV gremlins did that for us,” Bash said, smiling…

  3. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    In the near future the IRS will be renamed “The Bureau for Social Contribution Assistance”

    A review of a new book that just might reach the classical levels of books by authors such as Aldous Huxley, Sinclair Lewis, George Orwell, Ayn Rand.

  4. gmanfortruth says:

    Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager Robby Mook helped bolster President Donald Trump’s accusation of wiretapping.

    And apparently he knows more than a private citizen ought to about what was found.

    Mook appeared on “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday and admitted that he had known about wiretaps.

    “The facts are that Trump aides were caught talking to Russian agents and those conversations were captured because the intelligence community regularly taps the phone lines of those Russian agents,” he said.

    “There was a wiretap of Russian agents and that those Russian agents were communicating with Trump staff,” Mook added. “That’s what the intelligence community has told us. That’s what’s been reported very widely. Those are the facts.”

    Told us?

    Why was the intelligence community informing one campaign of surveillance captured on its opponent?

    Either Mook is lying or there may be some considerable crimes being committed by people.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I reported yesterday that the Clinton campaign had been told about the Trump server liked to Russian banks. I asked the same question WHY would they have been briefed?

      The FISA warrant is to allow agencies to spy on foreigners on US Soil. But it is known that under such reviews US citizen’s phone calls, emails, etc. are also captured. They are also intercepted overseas because the “wire taps” occur at the switch locations for internet and cell phones. Your call to USW might pass thru India on the way to N. Carolina. When it hits the switch in India the NSA/CIA retrieves it.

      The FISA warrant for Trump was rejected. The judge demanded a narrower request. The press has reported that per “sources” this warrant was narrowed to the Trump server and those specific Trump people of concern. Flynn was not one of these, by the way.

      But here is the thing. Once the FISA warrant was issued, “targeting” Trump’s people, everything was subject to capture. Per the rules, anything pertaining to anyone not part of the investigation is to be compartmentalized and kept from general intel. circulation.

      It is pretty obvious this was violated and that Obama’s EO may have allowed many people to see these “captured” communications. This is why certain meetings and phone calls were shared with the media.

      Now for another note. As you know I have spent considerable time on The Memo the past few months. One person posting there started claiming knowledge of financial transactions between Russian banks and Trump almost two months ago. This person claims these were donations to the Trump campaign,, in violation of Federal Law.

      I thought this was total fabrication. But now I think that DNC types were given intel on linkages. Then they construct inuendo that cannot be proven due to classified materials, but which can be tied to stories they create in the press. OR, the FBI is building a case against the Trump campaign for illegal political funding.

      Either way, the some information gathered from these investigations has been shared with people other than the media. I don’t think that is in doubt. Although I am sure somebody will demand absolute proof, which can never be produced.

      • Jim Duncan says:

        Whatever the case, people should mind their own business. None of these issues would exist then.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Here’s what I think, it’s all nonsense. All the “claims” have thus far been unproven. I completely doubt Trump or his team had anything to do with Russia, it’s all nonsense and those claiming so can’t prove crap.

        I haven’t read at the Memo in awhile. The commenters there are Kool aid drinking morons who believe anything the Liberal media says. I don’t even comment their because it’s useless to argue with people who are stuck on stupid.

        Trump didn’t need the money from Russia. I reject the claims, until proven. That can only happen in court. I’ll believe it when I see it. This applies to the FISA requests and warrants, nothing has been released to the public, so everything about them is conjecture.

        At this point in time, I’m inclined to believe that Trump has some hard evidence against Obama, but it’s probably classified. I also think there is a case being built against a lot of people, but it’s staying very quiet. My gut feeling is that Trump will be putting lots of people in jail in the future. Why do I say this? Because we still have good people working in government. It’s not just loaded with Liberals.

  5. gmanfortruth says:
  6. gmanfortruth says:

    A few thoughts regarding the CIA leaks. Much of what is being confirmed was considered conspiracy theory 10 years ago plus, to the present. Spying through your smart phones and smart tvs is just the tip of the iceberg. I also think that most of us will never likely get actually spied on by the CIA, the confirmation of the ability is important.

    But this leads me to another point of interest. Many things considered conspiracy theory end up becoming conspiracy fact. The labeling of conspiracy theory is important. For example, I don’t consider the Trump/Russian stuff conspiracy theory, I consider it a reverse conspiracy….aka political LIE. Real conspiracy theories, like 9-11 being an inside job and Sandy Hook being nothing more than an mass shooting exercise, have lots of evidence to back up the theories. Where as the Trump/Russia theory has nothing but talk and innuendo.

    Now that we know that the CIA had Russian hacking codes, it’s quite possible that Russia had ZERO to do with the hackings of the DNC and Podesta. THe claim could be a false flag deep state attack to protect the establishment. With Trump calling the bluff and the release of the CIA documents, along with the laughable backtracking by the Liberal media and Swamp Donkeys, it appears that the Left’s attempt to play the Russian card has become as laughable as their use of the other cards (race, woman etc).

    As we continue to get more information that exposes the Lies that are constantly propagated by the Liberal media and political hacks, the integrity of the Liberal Left will continue to take a nose dive.

    Our Liberal friends here should consider questioning everything, as I do, if it comes from the Liberal media. We must all call out all the media, Right wing as well, when they put out false information. The truth always comes out in the long run.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Problem with your theory. The CIA and NSA would not have leaked the emails if they thought it would damage Clinton.

      Unless………. they assumed she would win and they needed to amp up the negatives on Russia. In order to justify some other action they felt needed and they thought Clinton would approve.

      People need to remember who was the focus of the leaks. It was NOT Clinton as I recall. It was the DNC apparatus and the media link to the Dem party.

      There is another possible answer. Well two in one. Somebody could have hacked Podesta and the DNC, not US Intel. But US Intel decided it would be advantageous to blame it on the Russians. Only weak point here is the private security firm actually concluded it was the Russians. And apparently this private firm is the source of the records the FBI investigated. Nobody has asked who this firm owned and operated by and why did the FBI simply accept their analysis?

      • Jim Duncan says:

        “The CIA and NSA would not have leaked the emails if they thought it would damage Clinton.”

        The CIA and NSA wouldn’t do anything if the people massed up and burned them to the ground and hanged everyone there.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Here’s something to think about.

        Everybody thought Clinton would win and win easily, up till she lost.

        I do believe that we would be at war with Russia had Clinton won.

        I don’t think that the word of a private security firm is credible. They are bought and paid for. They will say what they are told if they want to stay in business. The big question should be why didn’t the DNC let the FBI get involved? Something to hide maybe?

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    For future reference, modern day “wire tapping” includes intercepting cell phone communications, computer communications and files, landline communications and all personal communications that are recorded and preserved. The silly semantics game is disingenuous and doesn’t help in the debate. Peace 😀

    • gmanfortruth says:

      AND, transcripts are the written words that are transcribed from those intercepted communications that come from the spoken word. So let’s start holding the politicians accountable. If they have the transcripts, produce them or prove their existence. At this point, their zero proof of their actual existence. In other words, put up or shut up.

  8. gmanfortruth says:

    A simple search using any search engine brings up literally hundreds of pages of MSM reports discussing the 2016 election, how Russia’s “fingerprints” were all over it, but Washington Post consistently cited”CIA” sources for their bombshell “news”, such as one from December 2016 titled “Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House,” with each story automatically assuming that Russia influenced the election because the intel community said so, because they traced it all back to Russia’s cyber fingerprints. (Note that WAPO never offers a disclaimer informing their readers that WAPO owner Jeff Bezos has ties with the CIA via a $600 million contract.)

    It wasn’t just the Washington Post that reported “Russian” interference as if it were a foregone conclusion, but all the mainstream media did so, citing unnamed U.S. officials claiming “Russian ‘digital fingerprints’ all over election hacks,” with the following quote from Fox 8 (citing a CNN report) being representative of the consistent reporting since the November election:

    One official told CNN the administration has traced the hack to the specific keyboards — which featured Cyrillic characters — that were used to construct the malware code, adding that the equipment leaves “digital fingerprints” and, in the case of the recent hacks, those prints point to the Russian government.

    At the same time that the CIA led intel community was asserting Russian “fingerprints” were all over the election, Washington Post dropped another bombshell (which they changed, added a correction, then followed up by writing another article which basically retracted the fake news” story some “intel” official fed them) claiming Russia hacked into the U.S. power grid!

    Once again, they claimed that “A code associated with the Russian hacking operation dubbed Grizzly Steppe by the Obama administration has been detected within the system of a Vermont utility, according to U.S. officials.”

    The initial story was quoted all over the Internet, the retraction in the subsequent article was mostly ignored by those that jumped on the “Russia hacked the grid” story, and once again, the pattern that has been used throughout the past months was an “unnanmed source” found “Russian code,” which of course allows them to conclude “Russian fingerprints”, meant Russia was responsible.


    Part of the WikiLeaks “Vault 7: CIA Hacking Tools Revealed,” includes a specific section they highlighted on their Twitter page, detailing a program called “UMBRAGE” which exposed that the “CIA’S Remote Devices Branch’s UMBRAGE Group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques ‘stolen’ from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation. With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the ‘fingerprints’ of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.”

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The FBI has spent months trying to persuade people that Russia was behind the DNC hack, but we’re now learning that it didn’t get much help from the DNC itself. The Bureau tells Buzzfeed News that the Democrats’ organization reportedly “rebuffed” multiple requests for physical access to the hacked servers, forcing investigators to depend on the findings of the third-party security firm CrowdStrike (which the DNC contacted after the hack). The FBI would have tackled the breach earlier if the DNC hadn’t “inhibited” the investigation, according to its statement.

  9. Jim Duncan says:

    This surveillance BS is why to burn down the CIA and NSA and maybe even kill everyone there.

    That would solve the immediate problem, but you would still have to address the government existence problem.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Stop suggesting outright that people in our Govt. need to be or should be KILLED.

      You want to say we need to burn down the system or kill the govt. overreach, fine. But promoting the killing of individual people is not acceptable. Having them skun and hanging their hides on the fence is cool. But your proposing of actual violence is not acceptable any longer. You can no longer hide behind claims it is rhetorical. Your posts make it obvious you are not joking.

      Last warning.

      • Jim Duncan says:

        You and your neighbors get together and hire someone to punch you. While they are pummeling you, you politely ask them to not do that.

        They agree and punch you some more. You respond by, again, politely asking them to stop.
        They agree and punch you some more. You again respond by politely asking them to stop.
        They agree and slap you instead. You respond by politely asking them to stop.
        They agree and slap you a few more times. You respond with a stern warning.
        They agree to stop, then start kicking you. You again warn them.
        Again they agree to stop, but continue to kick you.

        At what point do you knock them out or put a bullet in them?

        …because that is basically what I am seeing with this whole intel nonsense. The government has been spying on(VIOLATING/VIOLENCE) people for a long time and no one likes it. Things get leaked and the people gripe. The governments says whatever BS to appease the people, but continues to increase their VIOLENCE/EVES-DROPPING.

        They play shell games with legal provisions and continually misrepresent and lie, ommit, etc.


        At what point do the people actually do something decisive about it?

        …or do the people continue to be stupid and demand more enslavement?

      • Jim Duncan says:


        Do you now the difference between defense and offense?

        Would you like me to explain it?

  10. gmanfortruth says:

    RUTLAND, Vt. — Rutland has spoken.

    Voters on Tuesday unseated 10-year incumbent Mayor Christopher Louras, replacing him with David Allaire after a year of turmoil stemming from the mayor’s secret plan to make the city a permanent refugee resettlement community.

    Unofficial results show Allaire won 51 percent of the vote. Louras placed second with 34 percent, and Mike Coppinger came in third, with 13 percent.

    Rutland gained national attention last year after Louras was caught negotiating secretly with state and federal agencies to settle 100 Syrian and Iraqi refugees. Discussions began in November 2015, but Louras announced the news in late April.

    Allaire campaigned on a promise to bring “trust, respect and transparency” back to the mayor’s office. To many, the overwhelming victory is proof that voters are sick of having a mayor who makes deals behind closed doors.

    • Jim Duncan says:

      If there were no government, they wouldn’t have to bother with the worry about trust and integrity because they could represent themselves.

  11. gmanfortruth says:

    A Madison, Wisc. photographer is challenging a city ordinance and state law that could force creative professionals to violate their religious beliefs.
    Wisc. Photographer Sues to Preempt Law That Could Force Her to Work Gay Weddings.

    Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative legal nonprofit dedicated to protecting religious freedom, filed a lawsuit against the City of Madison on Tuesday as a preparatory measure to ensure the government could not coerce Amy Lawson and her privately-owned photography studio to create and promote content that violates her convictions.

    According to the lawsuit, Lawson’s freedom to promote and avoid certain creative content is at stake because Madison’s law makes it illegal for public accommodations to deny “equal enjoyment” because of someone’s sexual orientation or political beliefs.

    ADF said under this law, Lawson would be forced to photograph and blog about pro-abortion groups and same-sex marriages if she posted about pro-life organizations and celebrated the traditional union of one man and one woman. The law also prohibits her from posting a disclaimer on her website that states her right to reserve discretion not use her artistic talent to promote messages that violate her religious convictions.

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    The direction of the next Trump “sources” stories.

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    Liar, liar,,…………. pants on fire!!

    The political fallout and damage to U.S. intelligence operations was still being assessed. The former head of the CIA and National Security Agency, Michael Hayden, sought to assure people the U.S. would use such cyber weapons only against foreign targets.

    “I can tell you that these tools would not be used against an American,” Hayden said Tuesday night on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.”

  14. Just A Citizen says:
  15. Jim Duncan says:

    You are confusing or confused, apparently. Allow me to straighten you out.

    Violence means to violate, to abuse or mistreat. Force means actual physical power of some kind.

    Hacking into someone’s electronic devices so you can drop eves on them or watch them have sex or do drugs or whatever, is a form of violence because it violates their privacy. It is a form of abuse, maltreatment. It is basically stealing their privacy, their life.

    It’s wrong, evil. Not right, not good.

    When/if an entity/party continually violates another party/entity/persons and refuses to cease with their violence, when peaceful means have been exhausted, force is an acceptable response, as it is a NECESSARY act of DEFENSE.

    By all order of reason, the people are rightful should they decide to mass up and decisively put and end to it by force.

    Need I quote Thomas Jefferson? ..ya know, tree of liberty and all that.

  16. Jim Duncan says:

    @ JAC

    You dismissing my points as simply rhetoric is indicative of your inability to analyze or interpret. There is actually a very valid reasoning behind it, on several levels.

    Other than my above mentioned point in terms of what is necessary force, there is a point of reaching self awareness as well as general awareness of what is actually transpiring.

    In order for you to argue against it, you have to show how it is not necessary or that eves dropping is not abuse, or demonstrate that people do not have rights.

    You cannot do that, at least not with a straight face. The obvious answer is that it is wrong and needs to stop NOW. Which begs the question of how, which is solution/goal oriented.

    Thus far, legal peaceful means has done nothing to solve the problem.

    What is your suggestion to resolve the government violent eves-dropping problem?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Watching over govt. abuse is a constant effort. One requiring consistent engagement. We the people caught them once and restricted their power. Then we just assumed everything was OK. Now we need to do it again.

      Step one is getting people to understand what is actually happening and then why it is not needed.

      Step two is then to get Congress to act to cut them off.

      Without the first step then nothing works. Including your propensity to violence. You will simply be destroyed and the people will cry out “good riddance to the anarchist terrorists”.

      • Jim Duncan says:

        That has been tried several times with several intelligence scandals. We see the result is more of the same.

        Do you have any ideas for EFFECTIVE solutions? …ya know, something that actually solves the problem completely, once and for all.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          ya know, something that actually solves the problem completely, once and for all.

          Human extinction.

          • Jim Duncan says:

            That would do the trick alright. It is not without reason. As a human, I have a difficult time accepting that as a ‘good’ solution though. If I were an extraterrestrial, I might find that more appealing.

            Although I do admit sometimes being so angry and frustrated with humans not minding their own business that I might agree, or at least vent in such a way as to advocate it.

            It’s just plain wrong, Gman. Accepting or demanding it as a norm is arguably equally as wrong.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          There is NO PERMANENT SOLUTION.

          You cannot stop it and you cannot runaway.

          • Jim Duncan says:

            I am not sure how permanent it would be, but burning them to the ground would indeed be a very effective and decisive solution for a while. Educating of rights, promoting intolerance of government and it’s abuses, would help in the long term.

            But as far as an immediate solution, …burn it down.

            Why should we tolerate it?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              It took less than 100 years to get from where you want to start from to where we essentially are today.

              Like I said, there is NO PERMANENT SOLUTION. Except the one G referenced.

              • Jim Duncan says:

                Then what is the best long term solution? …for another 100 years or whatever.

                Like I said, burn it down. Got any better ideas?

          • Jim Duncan says:

            And another thing….just to be frank.

            I wake up every day expecting to die. I am aware of no reason to even exist or care, nor do I have any hope for a better day, although I do find myself passionate about liberty anyway.

            I have a ton of problems that I was born into, did not cause, and with no help or visible way out except death. Subsequently, my own life has very little value to me.

            A lot of my positions and arguments are for the benefit of others. If that means shaking things up a little on a blog, so be it. At least I can entertain myself while I make a point or two.

            • Jim Duncan says:

              To be even more honest, …considering some of the things I have experienced and am seeing, doing, I sometimes feel like I am already dead. It’s very bizarre. All things considered, this is similar to having died and went to hell as an aborted fetus or was murdered or something. Hence Jim Duncan.

              I am trying to figure out if/who killed me, or him, or whatever or however that works?? I am confident I have already survived an assassination attempt.

              How bad would it suck to blow your brains all over the wall behind you in order to escape hell, and it not work?

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    From another author:

    What People Don’t Know

    A crucial thing people don’t know about Jefferson is this: he was fully convinced that freedom in America was fatally wounded—in fact on its deathbed—by 1810 or so. He maintained that he and his fellow founders had blown their opportunity and that American freedom had already slipped away.

    Now, since what I’ve written above will seem almost inconceivable to many Americans, let me back it up by quoting a few of Jefferson’s letters:

    Letter to John Holmes, April 22, 1820:

    I regret that I am now to die in the belief that the useless sacrifice of themselves by the generation of 1776, to acquire self-government and happiness to their country, is to be thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons, and that my only consolation is to be, that I live not to weep over it.

    Letter to Nathaniel Macon, 1821:

    Our government is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction. That is: by consolidation first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence.

    Letter to John Cartwright, June 5, 1824:

    Our Revolution presented us an album on which we were free to write what we pleased. Yet we did not avail ourselves of all the advantages of our position… [What we really needed was] to break up all cabals.

    “Cabals,” FYI, equates to “political parties.” (George Washington and John Adams also bewailed them.)

    Letter to Samuel Johnson, 1823:

    I have been criticized for saying that a prevalence of the doctrines of consolidation would one day call for reformation or revolution.

    Letter to William B. Giles, 1825:

    I see with the deepest affliction, the rapid strides with which the federal branch of our government is advancing towards the usurpation of all the rights reserved to the States, and the consolidation in itself of all powers, foreign and domestic; and that too, by constructions which, if legitimate, leave no limits to their power.

    I don’t think any honest reader can see Jefferson’s actual words and still conclude that he’d have any respect at all for the modern US government. And please believe me that there are more passages like these.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Jefferson’s Hundreds

      While Jefferson was fully convinced that he and his friends had blown their opportunity, he wasn’t one to simply give up. So, in typical fashion, he put together a plan to recreate the republic. And you can find this plan in letters to his friends. (As best I can tell, no one in Washington ever gave them the time of day.)

      I’m editing these passages for clarity. You should be able to find the originals online.

      This is from a letter to John Tyler, dated May 26, 1810:

      I have indeed two great measures at heart, without which no republic can maintain itself in strength.

      That of general education to enable every man to judge for himself what will secure or endanger his freedom.
      To divide every county into hundreds, of such size that all the children of each will be within reach of a central school in it. …
      Every hundred, besides a school, should have a justice of the peace, a constable, and a captain of its militia. These officers, or some others within the hundred, should be a corporation to manage all its concerns, to take care of its roads, its poor, and its police by patrols, etc.…

      Every hundred should elect one or two jurors to serve where requisite, and all other elections should be made in the hundreds separately, and the votes of all the hundreds be brought together. …

      These little republics would be the main strength of the great one. We owe to them the vigor given to our revolution in its commencement …

      General orders are given out from a center to the Foreman of every hundred …

      Could I once see this I should consider it as the dawn of the salvation of the republic. …

      Jefferson repeats essentially the same plan to Samuel Kercheval in 1816:

      The article, nearest my heart, is the division of counties into wards. These will be pure and elementary republics, the sum of all which, taken together, composes the State, and will make a true democracy as to the business of the wards, which is that of nearest and daily concern.

      The division into wards … enables them by that organization to crush, regularly and peaceably, the usurpations of their unfaithful agents, and rescues them from the dreadful necessity of doing it insurrectionally.

      In this way we shall be as republican as a large society can be, and secure the continuance of purity in our government, through salutary, peaceable, and regular control by the people.

      Jefferson’s plan, in simple terms, is this:

      Divide the entire country into 100-person units with full self-governing powers.
      These units can then delegate some of their powers to larger governmental bodies, or not.
      The tiny size of these units would ensure that every person in the country knew his or her local representative… as in, “can knock on their door and complain to their face.”
      This plan, which I like to call Jefferson’s Hundreds, would be simple to implement. These groups could be formed in any number of ways, in locations urban or rural. After all, counting to one hundred is hardly difficult.

      • Jim Duncan says:

        Jefferson, like Marx, was an INTJ.

        I think there is a lot to learn from Jefferson. He was very knowledgeable and wise, with a keen sense of freedom and liberty.(oddly, in spite of his ‘ownership’ of others)

        Right on, Jefferson.

        Decentralization is good, perhaps the best. Although I will argue that whatever systems must have a uniform standard if it is to work on a large scale. …similar to how the states relate to the federal government, …only without all that stupid coercion and violence nonsense.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          I doubt Marx was an INTJ.

          • Jim Duncan says:

            That is what I have read. Being an INTJ myself, he appears as such, as does Jefferson. Hillary Clinton is an INTJ as well.

            We don’t all arrive at the same conclusions. Our thought process just works on a fundamentally similar fashion.

            Here is an interesting list;

            Anders Breivik
            Angela Lansbury
            Arnold Schwarzenegger
            Arthur Ashe
            Ashley Olsen
            Augustus Caesar
            Ayn Rand
            Bobby Fischer
            C. S. Lewis
            Chester A. Arthur
            Chevy Chase
            Christopher Hitchens
            Dan Akroyd
            Donald Rumsfeld
            Elyse Sewell
            Emily Bronte
            Friedrich Nietzsche
            G.W.F. Hegel
            Garry Kasparov
            General Colin Powell
            H.L. Mencken
            Isaac Asimov
            Isaac Newton
            James Cameron
            Jane Austen
            Jean-Paul Sartre
            Jodie Foster
            John Adams
            John F. Kennedy
            John Maynard Keynes
            John Nash
            Josephine Tey
            Julia Stiles
            Karl Marx
            Katie Couric
            Lance Armstrong
            Maria Shriver
            Mark Zuckerberg
            Martin Luther
            Martina Navratilova
            Nikola Tesla
            Peter Jennings
            Raymond Burr
            Roger Waters
            Rudy Giuliani
            Russell Crowe
            Stephen Hawking
            Susan B. Anthony
            Ted Kaczynski
            Thomas Jefferson
            Varg Vikernes
            Veronica Hamel
            Vladimir Lenin
            William F. Buckley, Jr.
            Woodrow Wilson

            • Jim Duncan says:

              I’d like to knock the cold shit out of Rumsfeld.

              You better run, MF’er.

              • Jim Duncan says:

                I get it now, Frankie.

                I doubt that is the case though. Not that i am any less pist off about the approach of either of you.

                I am not amused.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    And we wonder how the Octopus grew so large:

    So, should the government stay out of the grant-giving business? That’s probably not a good idea, Prof. Payne says. The government has an important role to play in supplementing private donations and ensuring a fairer distribution of cash. Otherwise, charities in rich areas would likely receive more money than those in poor neighborhoods, and those that tug at the heart strings (such as puppy shelters) would receive more than those that serve important but less-popular causes (such as halfway houses for parolees).

    “If the government doesn’t do something, there will be an underprovision,” Prof. Payne says. “The question is, what’s the most effective way for the government to be engaged so that it actually adds to the provision, and it’s not just serving as a substitute.”

  19. Jim Duncan says:
    • We now know that the CIA, etc. can leave Russian and other footprints when the hack into servers. Could the Russian chicken scratches on the DNC server been left by the CIA?

  20. Jim Duncan says:

    The thought process of an INTJ starts with the question of why, which requires the answer to what how when where and who. Thus an INTJ is thinking deeper by default of our reasoning.

    We weigh out form and value to make a ‘judgement’ call to the best win/win efficient or correct answer. If there is insufficient information available, the thought process expands into another layer, and will continue into multiple exponential layers until judgement can be made.

    If the thought process expands enough, it will trigger into something beyond normal perception.

    If combined with meditation or intense stress and profound totality of human emotion, or a dissociative state where conscious and subconscious, good and evil, light and dark, love and hate, time/space and everything conceivable converges(for lack of better words that cannot possibly describe it), access to the metaphysical or collective unconscious can be achieved, if one were so inclined.

    Inclination, I cannot explain, other than to hypothesize that it is somehow physiological, as has been noted by some studies among certain groups of thought processes, INTJ being one of them.

    As I understand, there are some brains that are wired with a slightly different neuron structure and circulatory system, that also correspond to some specific thought processes.

  21. Jim Duncan says:
  22. Jim Duncan says:

    Yes I read you, sort of.

    Stop doing that. I have no idea who you are, thus anything you say like that is absolutely worthless, if I play along, it is to see where it leads. Because I cannot definitively determine, I must assume you to be an adversary.

    So unless you want to have direct clear communication, it is pointless.

    If what I found has any legitimacy to it, there are a LOT of people who cannot afford to do anything other than come to my door and drag my ass outta here.

    Otherwise I die over other people’s BS.

    Get it?


  23. Just A Citizen says:

    Good morning SUFA…………..

  24. Gman,

    Since you brought up conspiracy theories and the admission of some of the spying capabilities I feel compelled to bring up Silent Sound Spread Spectrum and MKULTRA.
    It’s kinda eerie how they all fit together…

    Silent Sound Part 2: Recorded Brainwaves Instead of Hypnotist & via Satellite
    Silent Sound Subliminal Mind Control Part 2 – Use of Recorded Brainwaves Instead Of Hypnotist Voice & applied via Satellite
    Discusses the use of US Patent 5356368, Method of and Apparatus for Inducing Desired States of Consciousness with Silent Sound, US Patent 5159703.
    Frequency Following Response, or FFR, is used to take pre-recorded brainwaves of specific levels of consciousness and transmit them into the brain of an unsuspecting human via microwave transmission.
    This can be applied to humans via TV, radio, Satellite or other broadcast means.

  25. Interesting….doing some investigation on my own on the gasoline prices and how the media comes up with the nationwide average price of gas….I see all these numbers that the average price of gas is $2.35 today. Average, to me, means that they take a sampling across the nation, add them together, and get a number. I have not seen $2.00 gasoline in over three years here……today it is all over Fort Worth $1.85 and that is the highest it has been in a while. Fifty cents a gallon seems extreme until I started looking around….

    Then I found that they take in New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Denver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Portland and Seattle. Notably absent are cities like Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Miami, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque……….

    So, I took there models and looked and the STATE and LOCAL taxes added onto the Federal Tax are enormous AND I found that the taxes in these States went into the general revenue fund.

    So, more crap on how to manipulate numbers.

    • Our gas is $2.85 and climbing. And yes CA steals money from the gas tax for things other than road repair most notably to pay Eric Holder to fight Trump and to pay for lawyers for the illegals. So please TX and the other 48, help us. We need infrastructure money before our roads and dams completely collapse.

      • It is unbelievable about California……private pilots, like myself, will not fly into California…we land in Reno or Las Vegas and rent cars… is cheaper to do that than to fly into California. It isnot just because of high fuel prices….( fuel prices for my aircraft in Texas is 3.85 per gallon, in Las Vegas (I was just there ) 4.10 per gallon… California….8.45 per gallon. In addition to that, California charges an arrival fee of $150…and overnight fees of $80 per night. In addition to that, private pilots pay a mileage surcharge of $1.25 per each mile flown in California….coming and going. Hell of a lot cheaper to rent a car.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Like when I lived in Italy. The price of a gallon of gas (granted it was purchased by the liter) was roughly $4.35 back in the late 70’s. If you looked at the receipt one would see that the price of the actual fuel was the same as here in the US. The delta was TAXES.

      Taxes to a foreign government was a great write-off.

  26. Another interesting tidbit… not know where the numbers come from on this one…..the new jobs report added 185,000 more jobs than anticipated but the big issue is that they were not part time minimum wage jobs….they are major revenue earning jobs…listed were construction, medical, energy………$25 per hour type jobs……

    • It’s called confidence. Over-confidence = bubble, Under-confidence = depression. The economy rides on emotions as much as it does on economic fundamentals.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Bottom line. They had 7 years to get this ironed out within the Republican side.

      So once again we are held hostage to a committee designed horse being rolled out, humps and all.

      • Agreed, but they didn’t so what’s the answer now. I’m tired of their excuses and their public battles and of the establishments obvious desire to control everything. They seem happy to cater to these 4 but seem to believe they can ignore the conservatives.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I think we are being played by slick Ryan. Why not do the full bill and address the key issues on medicaid. Then the very first paragraph of the bill would Repeal paragraphs one through X of the ACA and replace them with the “following”.

      And the R’s should have the brass to do this via reconciliation just like Reid did to them.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Yes, Ryan claims they can’t get the whole thing passed so they will do part now under reconciliation.

      Well if the other parts are what is stopping it from getting passed then how the hell are they going to get those parts passed separately, later??????

      Besides, the entire ACA was passed under reconciliation. So how the hell could the repeal and replace not be able to be passed under the same process????????????

      Remember, the Dems took a bill that was in reconciliation, then amended it to eliminate the entire original text and replaced it with the ACA.

      And boy did you hit the nail on the head. Always keeping the three for four RINOS happy and dumping on the larger conservative or freedom caucus group.

      Well, if nothing else the PEOPLE should be waking up to realize just what a mess of weenies we have in Congress.

  27. Jim Duncan says:

    FYI, for anyone who is trying to figure it out whatever it is that happened, I think I found your culprit. But I will continue to spew crazy nonsense until someone actually motivates to reach out in honesty.

    Otherwise it is probably going to get REALLY messy.

    I fear not, for I know thyself. I know there is a complex method to the madness.

  28. Jim Duncan says:

    @Pearl Harbor

    I see plenty.

    Eight billion people are eventually going to come knocking on your front door, and for no other reason than because you refuse to be honest and forthright about whatever happened, for whatever nonsense you people are into.

    It has caused me a life of issues, and I cannot afford to let it go and ignore it.

  29. Jim Duncan says:

    I see you.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    Good grief. These lefty women have brought an entirely new meaning to the term, “show me your moral compass”.

    • Oh, come on……you mean you can’t take the vagina heads? Or the women’s march headed up by a male? Are you trying to tell me that you can’t take this seriously? Whyyyyyy….what in the world is wrong with you?

  31. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Question to the floor…..What in the H!!! is a “Gustnado” Apparently Kansas has a new weather phenonemon.

    • If you lived in Kansas, Oklahoma or Texas, you would know.

      • Usually formed on the leading edge of storms…especially convective storms that build up in one hour and dissipate even quicker……gustnados start from the ground and swirl upwards…..very hazardous to general aviation in Texas…often times invisible until they pick up the dust.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Dust Devil??????

          • Same as…..except on steroids…..seen them generate 85 mph winds in 3 minutes and then dissipate as quickly….they are usually in advance of a front…the collision of moist and cold air but unlike tornado’s. Really an interesting phenomenon….we do not have them in Fort Worth…they are in West Texas in the plains….same for Ok and Ks. Had to dodge one on landing in Plainview Texas one time…it kicked up are the end of the runway….I saw it on final approach and aborted landing. ou cannot predict them but be aware of them in windy environments.


    Hmmm, this seems to backup Ryan’s claim about reconciliation rules.

  33. gmanfortruth says:

    Since this really don’t matter any more, the humorous side of me says to post this.

  34. How ironic……Nancy Pelosi, you remember her……the one who said “you have to pass it to read what is inside it”…….is now saying that it is not right to “have a bill kept under wraps until it it passed”….

    the irony of it all.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      “Live for the moment”……what’s past is history so therefore not relevant. The past is to be modified or deleted as required by current circumstances and events.

      I honestly do not believe any one of them remember what they said previously, yesterday much less a few years ago. For the most part they do not write their own material and are spoon fed their talking points by some staffer. Notice that Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid, McConnell, etal could no speak extemporaneously on anything unless it was about themselves. I’m being very inclusive here. There is not an inspirational speaker and motivator among them. i include Obama here because if the teleprompter malfunctions he was lost…….Reagan was close, be he was used to being in front of a camera throughout his life. We have to go back to FDR, and before that his cousin TR, then back again to Lincoln…..for a 20 year period leading up to the CW we had several serious and passionate (senatorial) orators but they unfortunately only convinced their sides and lost the other half. Prior to that writing seemed to be the communication method in the building of this nation. I just do not remember any serious presidential speeches coming down through history until Lincoln. Writing out their arguments and diseminating those papers was key. No ambiguity or denial that they wrote the words….unlike today, the current batch even deny saying the words that were recorded and shown to them as a fact check.

  35. Anyone remember the same weeping and gnashing of teeth over “Blackhawk Down” with many US dead, hundreds of coalition troops wounded and perhaps thousands of civilian deaths. That too was authorized by a new president, 10 months into his term

    Votel Takes Responsibility for Yemen Raid
    US Central Command boss Army Gen. Joseph Votel on Thursday took full responsibility for the Jan. 29 raid on al-Qaeda forces in Yemen that resulted in the death of Chief Petty Officer William “Ryan” Owens. “I am responsible for this mission,” Votel told members of the Senate Armed Services Committee. He added, “We lost a lot on this operation. We lost a valued operator, we had wounded people, we caused civilian casualties, and lost an expensive aircraft.” He said the Department of Defense had determined the civilian casualties numbered between four and 12. “We did gain some valuable information that will be helpful for us,” he said. All of the post-action investigations have been completed, he said, except for the aircraft safety investigation. He said he is “satisfied” that neither “information gaps” nor “incompetence” played a role in the outcome of the raid. Votel also said that he sees “no need for an additional investigation.”

    Army Gen. Joseph Votel, commander of US Central Command, testifies before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 9, 2017. Screenshot photo.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Heck…there isn’t any guarantee that you will survive traveling to the store today, no matter how careful you are. There is always that unknown “RISK” factor that seems to show up at the worst possible time, no matter how well you plan for such contingencies.

      This fear of anything going wrong leads to “Risk Avoidence” and will do nothing but paralyse the nation in all things and actions.

  36. gmanfortruth says:

    Ali Watkins of BuzzFeed talked to staffers on the Senate Intelligence Committee on their review of the information so far.

    A month into its sweeping investigation into the Kremlin’s efforts to undermine the US election, the Senate Intelligence Committee is expected to answer all those questions — publicly, coherently, and fast. As the days tick by, they’re less and less sure they’ll be able to.

    Even some Democrats on the Intelligence Committee now quietly admit, after several briefings and preliminary inquiries, they don’t expect to find evidence of active, informed collusion between the Trump campaign and known Russian intelligence operatives, though investigators have only just begun reviewing raw intelligence. Among the Intelligence Committee’s rank and file, there’s a tangible frustration over what one official called “wildly inflated” expectations surrounding the panel’s fledgling investigation.

  37. gmanfortruth says:

    GOPUSA Editor’s Note: This story could be titled “Tales from the Far Left.” This story is written with left-wing bias all over the place, but we wanted to show you how the other side thinks. Unfortunately, too many people in this country fall for this kind of stuff! This writer seriously thinks “Trump” is a racist term? This is complete craziness.

  38. gmanfortruth says:
    • Just A Citizen says:


      I have tried to explain this to SUFA many times. Once a rule is in place the administration cannot simply remove it. You can thank the SCOTUS for that.

      Removing a rule without serious study and documented reason would be called arbitrary and capricious by the Courts. This standard was established some years back. Not that many but several. Will try to find the precedent later but you get the idea.

      The court said that all rules must be “justified” by reasoned deliberation. And removing a rule is the same. This is why Bush II could not get the “Roadless Rule” of Clinton stopped. He tried to pull the regulations and was slapped down by the court. Even though the court supported the initial rule on a very shallow and weak evidence by the Clinton administration.

      Bush II then tried to do an analysis to justify eliminated the Clinton rule but the Dems blocked the effort via appropriations and individual efforts were challenged in court by the Greenies.

      This is why I often go back to criticizing Congress over the Administration. Congress could clarify prior laws and thus limit Court rulings. But they don’t. Because they can’t get such laws passed with a split Senate. All such laws would be subject to filibuster, if not part of the budget reconciliation. And most are not directly tied to taxation or spending.

      Even though Congress is good at adding requirements to spending that are not really aimed at spending issues. For example, Pelosi included a provision during Bush’s term that prevented federal agencies from spending money to study the utility of contracting environmental studies in lieu of using agency personnel. This was to prevent agencies from spending money on a task a prior congress had approved. So the agencies were tasked to study contracting and given authority and money to do it, then Pelosi removed the spending authority alone. She did not remove the authority to do the work, only the authority to spend money on it.

      And this is how Shit happens in D.C……….

      • gmanfortruth says:

        OK, makes sense. Could be time for Trump to, use “selective enforcement” while the new study gets done. While I don’t agree with that method, which Obama used with our border control, if thats the way the Swamp Donkey’s want to play then the Swamp Elephants should return the favor 😉

      • Is there another word you can come up with for “shit?” I feel that your use of the term “shit” and Washington DC…..glorifies DC…..there must be another word to actually describe the…..uh……going’s on.

  39. gmanfortruth says:
  40. gmanfortruth says:

    Here’s a list of Trump’s accomplishments so far;

    – Trump is already beginning to fulfil his promise of being the best jobs president ever.

    U.S. employers added jobs beyond expectations in both January (238,000) and February (235,000), with the unemployment rate falling to 4.7% and wages growing 2.8%. According to Bloomberg, America’s labor market is getting better “by any measure”.

    – Trump has cut the U.S. debt burden by $68 billion dollars.

    Since the day of his inauguration, Trump has wiped $68 billion off the national debt, which had ballooned to $19,947 billion under Obama.

    – Manufacturing is at its most robust since 1984.

    The Philly Fed Index, a survey of how well manufacturers are doing, hit its highest level since 1984.

    – Small and medium businesses are confident about the future.

    The NFIB Small Business Optimism Index is at its highest level since 2004. Economic confidence is surging.

    – The stock market keeps topping record highs.

    The Dow closed above 20,000 for the first time ever days after Trump’s inauguration and hasn’t stopped rising since. The Dow has surged more than 2500 points since Trump was elected – a 12 per cent spike.

    – Samsung is moving jobs back to the U.S. as a result of Trump’s election.

    The technology giant will invest $300 million in expanding U.S. production facilities, creating around 500 jobs.

    – Exxon moving jobs back to the U.S. as a result of Trump’s election.

    Exxon will spend $20 billion over 10 years on 11 plants along the Gulf Coast, creating a whopping 45,000 jobs for American workers.

    – Trump saved the Carrier plant in Indiana.

    Trump stopped the Indianapolis air conditioning plant from relocating to Mexico, saving hundreds of jobs.

    – Fiat will invest $1 billion in two U.S. factories

    Fiat Chrysler is set to invest $1 billion in two factories in Toledo and Detroit, an expansion that will create 2,000 jobs.

    – Hasbro is to start making play-doh in the U.S. again.

    U.S. Hasbro, Inc. is returning to the U.S. and will make the beloved children’s modeling clay in a Massachusetts factory rather than in China or Turkey.

    – Trump signed an executive order ending Obama’s onerous regulations on the coal industry.

    Obama tried to bankrupt the coal industry, Trump is revitalizing it.

    – Trump killed the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal.

    This would have handed yet more power over to unelected globalists, creating a global regulatory structure detrimental to all Americans.

    – Illegal immigration from Mexico is down 40 per cent in Trump’s first month.

    Border crossings have already dropped by 40 per cent, according to the DHS as Trump moves forward with his campaign promise to build a wall.

    – Trump issued an executive order to end “sanctuary cities”.

    Trump has ordered the DOJ and Homeland Security to withhold federal funds from cities that harbor criminal illegal aliens.

    – Trump began the repeal and replacement of Obamacare.

    Although Speaker Ryan’s Obamacare replacement is being rightly condemned, Trump has at least set in motion the repeal of this disastrous policy which has seen premiums skyrocket and choice diminished.

    – Trump selected Neil Gorsuch for the Supreme Court.

    Gorsuch is a strict constitutionalist and will defend fundamental freedoms, protecting Americans from the scourge of judicial activism.

    – Trump approved the Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipeline.

    The long awaited approval of these projects will create jobs and reduce gas prices for all Americans.

    – Trump cut funding for international abortions.

    American taxpayers are no longer paying for babies to be aborted by international non-governmental agencies.

    – Trump returned the power to make decisions on “transgender bathrooms” to the states

    The president ordered the DOJ to “withdraw a motion filed by former President Barack Obama seeking to allow transgender students in public schools to use the restroom with which they identify.”

    Trump and his team have accomplished all of this in just under 50 days, despite the best efforts of the Democrats and the deep state to sabotage his embryonic administration at every stage.

    This list would be a phenomenal achievement for a president who is entering office with momentum, political capital and fair media treatment, but Trump has accomplished it all even in the face of total resistance, sabotage and dirty tricks from the left and the establishment media.

  41. Anyone else have those high winds blow through. Went through here on Tuesday, all stinking day. Trees down all over the place. I lost power for 5 hours but I’m counting my blessings, as I know lots of people still without power today. Daughter’s trampoline ended up 2 house down in a tangled mess and she lost a $1500 wooden play structure too. Weirdest thing because it was a bright sunshine kind of day.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Sure did. We didn’t lose power, but lots of folks did. We got 4 inches of snow this morning, it was 50 yesterday at 10 am. It has been a mild winter and I’ll take it 🙂

  42. gmanfortruth says:
  43. gmanfortruth says:
  44. gmanfortruth says:
  45. Labor participation finally going up……less people on welfare, less food stamps…… is not because of anything that Trump has done except one thing…….inspiring confidence once again. It appears that people are not afraid of Trump policies…..except the establishment, Big Pharma, and the Walmart’s…..all of which I do not give a dead rat’s ass about.

    I know several businessmen that have been sitting on millions…..that are now investing and spending their money. Our family included. When you look at the argument that under Obama the stocks and bonds showed a steady improvement….but then you have to break it down as to whom and why…..then you will see who was driving the stock market… have to ask the question as to why the stocks, bonds, and mutual funds were gaining while unemployment exploded and the participation rates dropped dramatically.

    You cannot, at all, claim that the unemployment rate under Obama was low…not at ll. Figures do not lie, you say…but I say liars can figure. The numbers were horribly manipulated for the record books but are now being explosed as fraudulent. The formuilas were changed…no doubt about it.

    Look at what is now called the “Trump bump” and see what jobs are now hiring again. They are not minimum wage jobs… they are $20 perhour and above type jobs….look at the Walmarts and Targets and now ask why their market shares are falling….and the construction companies, transportation companies, and energy companies are growing once again… is confidence……Confidence that Trump will follow through. Let the Fed rate rise and the money tighten up and you will find that the best run companies will survive and the ones living off zero interest rates will fall.

    Take heed, you RINOS…..if you do not read the signs and you do not get off your ass and quit fighting among yourselves……you will lose everything.

    • Right on bro!

    • That all sounds good Colonel, but I’m living in fear of this RyanCare. I think he and his CoC buddies are trying to pull a fast one, and Trump is gonna end up looking like the bad guy.

      • YOu are a Trump backer……..why are you now so inclined not to give him benefit of the doubt.

        • Trump seems to be letting Ryan take the lead, and I don’t like the way Ryan is selling it. “we campaigned on this repeal”, “it’s the only way”. No, there are other ways. Rand Paul has a way, Jim Jordan has a way. I haven’t read Ryan’s way, but I haven’t read anything good about it. And everything seems to be a rush. I just wish Trump had a way.

  46. Just A Citizen says:

    The Republican strategy of allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines is an attack on State’s Rights.

    How does that sit with everyone?

    • Think back to the robber barons of the late 19th & and early 20th centuries. I’ll use Standard Oil as an example. At that time corporations had to incorporate in each state in order to do business in that state. This why there was a SO of NJ, IN, OH, CA, etc. JD wanted to operate all these inefficient companies as one national company, so he had SO of NJ (now Exxon) buy controlling interest in all the state corporations. With controlling interest SO of NJ now could appoint majorities on the board of directors. They appointed many of the same people to all the boards. This is what your school teachers taught as interlocking boards of directors although they did not explain the reason for them. Eventually, corporations we allowed to function nationally w/o incorporating in each individual state. This improved efficiency and allowed the US corporation more strength to compete internationally.

      The insurance industry with all the individual state mandates and state insurance commissions are the last vestiges of the old antiquated corporation system.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Yes. The Fed allowed States to regulate them because Insurance is NOT part of interstate commerce, per the Founder’s view.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      I don’t see how if the States still maintain their regulations. The big insurance carriers are in numerous states now anyway, this would open the door for competition, or allow for a Walmart type of superstore for insurance to develop.

      However, in the past prior to Obamacare, I he;d that insurance is a State issue, and the Fed’s have no authority getting involved in the business. The Fed’s over ruled me though so here we are. 🙂

      • Because, if Colonel insurance company, based in Texas, wants to sell insurance in Oklahoma….I should be allowed to do so. I am betting that you will see a plethora of new insurance markets emerge….especially regional markets.

        Just like concierge medical has done.

    • I do not see that as a violation of state’s rights at all…..State’s compete with each other every single day on hundreds of items…..why should insurance be any different.

      Now, if a State decides that it does not want to allow insurance companies to come in…that is their business….but competition across state lines in insurance is nothing new. We do it with liability car and truck insurance everyday……with our trucks, I have a right to insure anywhere I wish,,,,,not so in health insurance. Get rid of the law that prohibits procuring health insurance across state lines and leave it to the state’s and individual insurance companies if that is what they wish to do.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        You purchase insurance in a single state, and that policy covers you where ever you go. But the insurance, including vehicles is under State control. One reason you should purchase auto insurance in the State where you live.

        It should be a States Right issue because the Congress was not granted authority to regulate the insurance industry. There is no commerce occurring across state lines. Remember, commerce involved the movement of actual goods. Not promises to pay you for you losses.

        Gman is correct. Congress took this power because they wanted to implement Federal insurance one day. Or control it.

        • But, like me, you are a stickler for addressing problems on a reality basis. The reality is, Congress did take the authority….right or wrong…they took it. If you read me carefully…it should be a states right issue… should have been from the very beginning but it was not. So, since it resides in the, perhaps illegal, Congress….it is going to have to be addressed there. Have Congress agree that it is a state issue.

          I also beg to differ with you on two other items….(1) commerce is not limited to physical goods….commerce includes travelling through a state and not even doing business within that state….whether it is a phone call or simply crossing a state. There have been plenty of administrative decisions made as to what commerce is even if it is defined differently which brings me to a second point. I used vehicle insurance as an issue. The prices for auto insurance is different in many states. If I find cheaper car insurance in Oklahoma, I can purchase that insurance there. As a matter of record, I purchase vehicle insurance in three different states depending on the vehicle. Oklahoma is cheaper on some things than Texas. For example, I can purchase vehicles in Oklahoma and buy Texas insurance….we do it all the time. We also purchase vehicles in Illinois and buy insurance in Texas or Tennessee wherever is cheaper…….I should be able to do the same with health insurance.

          • A further example…..we elect to buy some vehicles in Oklahoma because they do not have a state inspection relegated to counties as Texas does. The price of registration may be more expensive but there are no inspections required. It is simply a matter of cost comparison. The same in Illinois. However, for some reason, it is cheaper to buy vehicle insurance in Tennessee with an Illinois registered vehicle than it is in Texas….even under fleet rates. But the point is, I can shop it.

            But I cannot purchase cheaper group Health insurance from Tennessee, even if I have a terminal and business there, because corporate hq is in Texas. So, I cannot shop it. I should be able to.

            • The insurance industry in most states is highly regulated. Every state I have lived in has an insurance commission. I suspect this is true due to past bad behavior on the part of the industry. Since each state sets the rules, how would this be handled in cross state purchases.

              Some of the rules in CA:
              1) Consumers and small businesses cannot form groups to purchase insurance with one exception. ADP in CA has set up a mechanism for small companies where they become the employer of record (i.e. you officially work for ADP). ADP then handles all benefits and personnel issues.
              2) If you have insurance and drop it, you have one year to purchase new insurance w/o preexisting condition clauses.
              3) A new employee working for a company that supplies group insurance must be signed up with no preexisting clauses.

              • You would not have to handle it…..if a state has rules that are not good, then the state lives with it…no one would seek a competitive rate. ….simpy go to another state.

            • Nice comparison. Here in Jersey, the auto insurance industry was so stacked in favor of the lawyers, we were left with one major company, Allstate, whom I happen to like. The rates just kept climbing though till we were the highest in the country.

              Our former weird Governor who as in the closet, McGreevy ran on a platform of reform and he did it. Within his first two years he had brought at least 18 companies back in. The rates dropped like a rock and stayed that way only beginning to rise again recently but at a much lower rate. Competition and gelding lawyers does work.

              Anybody know if there is a pie chart which shows how much premium ultimately goes to protecting against lawyers?

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Traveling through a State without buying goods is ABSOLUTELY NOT commerce.

            The Court may have expanded the meaning beyond intent but it has not gone that far.

            And Insurance is not commerce as “INTENDED” by the Framers. There is nothing moving between state lines, except the copy of the contract you keep.

    • Jim Duncan says:

      States don’t have rights.

      People do.

  47. gmanfortruth says:

    The constant erosion of privacy at the hands of the government and corporations has annihilated the concept of a “right to privacy,” which is embedded in the rationale of the First, Third, Fourth, Ninth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution.

    It is becoming increasingly clear that we are sliding down the slippery slope toward totalitarianism, where private lives do not exist.

    We have entered a condition of constitutional crisis that requires a full-throated response from the American people. I have repeatedly warned about the dangers of the Patriot Act and its successive iterations, the execrable national security letters that turn every FBI agent into a star chamberlain, the dangers of fear-based security policies eroding our republic.

    We have crossed the threshold of a cowardly new world, and it’s time we tell the government and the corporations who have intruded to stop it.

    • Jim Duncan says:

      The rationale of a lot of the constitution is about violating people.

      The rationale of the fourth amendment is a legal provision to violate rights on the condition of having a reason, saying magic special words, and describing it on paper.

      If it were about protecting rights, it would. It would be very clear and simple in the wording, and not contradictory. It would say “The governments shall not ever violate the right to property or privacy of any american anywhere” Then government couldn’t BS.

      It is a good reason to throw away the constitution and start over.

    • It’s not just the government but almost every major chain store now has a discount card which is an excuse to run a database on your purchasing habits. I refuse to get the cards. When I am in one of the stores and the ask for the card, I explain that I like my privacy and will not give them the right to run a database on me. Furthermore it is unfair to treat me any different than the customer behind me. So if you intend to charge me the full price, you can keep the merchandise. I do so in a relatively loud voice so that everyone near me understands what is going on.

      Google, FB, Amazon, all do the same thing. It is becoming nearly impossible to keep the corporations and government from knowing every aspect of your private life.

  48. One of the big complaints about the Ryan plan is the continuation of the penalty for not purchasing insurance. Under ObamaCare, the penalty goes to the IRS. Under RyanCare it goes to the insurance companies (how it is assessed I do not know). Why cannot people especially young people have an option to purchase insurance or contribute a minimum amount to their HSA. Current HSAs are tied to high deductible insurance plans. I think people should be free to create HSAs regardless of their state of insurance.

    I had an HSA plan several years ago through work but it was a poor plan in that it was managed by a bank hence there was virtually no earnings on the money. HSAs plans set up similar to a 401K or IRA would have some real long term earning capacity. This would be ideal for younger people and potentially could be the mechanism to eliminate Medicare.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      My understanding is that this only applies if someone wants to buy insurance beyond the enrollment period should they suddenly get sick. It doesn’t just apply to young people.

      With respect to that, why can’t the insurance companies just have a late sign up fee equal to what the monthly premiums would have equaled? Why do we need a law to make this relatively simple business model work?

      What we need to do is tell the Congress to get out of our private business that isn’t within their authority to begin with.

      • My auto insurance starts when I purchase it not on some artificial calendar schedule.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          True, but the two are different. Driving is a privilege and insurance is a legal requirement. Living is a Right.

          Regardless, insurance is still gambling. Why should a person worth billions need insurance, he/she can afford the bills. The young and healthy shouldn’t need the same insurance as those older. Nor should the younger have to pay the same. What we are seeing is a form of Socialism by the Feds.

          • From a staffing point of view, I would think the insurance companies would rather have their sales force busy all year long rather than just 2 months every year.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Agreed. I think it may be easier with employer provided insurance to do it with an enrollment period. What I’m not getting is why someone who changes jobs or opens a business can still get insurance, so all the hoopla is really about preexisting conditions.

          • The entire effort is centered on the means for paying for healthcare (insurance) rather than on healthcare itself.

        • Yes, but not the day after you blew through a red light and T-boned a Dodge Caravan carrying six choir members while you had a 2.0 blood alcohol level.

          • Seriously, I moan and groan about insurance all the time. Been driving since ’65 never an accident where I hit anything. Wife’s the same, She got hit head on by some 19 year old punk drag racing. Thanks to daddy’s insurance plan, he got a new car, I spent the next five years dealing with lawyers to finally get mine.

  49. gmanfortruth says:

    Well now, many of us North from the Midwest East, including the East coast have a little snow storm coming along to brighten our day with lots of white fluffy stuff. Predictions at my house says about a half a foot by storms end, with a chance to double that depending on actual storm track.

    • Enjoy the global warming.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        It has been a mild winter, which I’ll take. A little global warming would do my neck of the woods some good 🙂

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Today we have a real strange “uninvited” weather phenonemon……white precipitation. Yesterday was high 60’s low 70’s… freezing and light snow. Tomorrow back to warm seasonal temps.

          We do have to accept exceptions to fine weather periodically, Feb and up to today we’ve had a string of the most excellent weather imaginable. Good day to just sit back and take a break.

  50. The cost of Lasik eye surgery is between $1500 – $2500 per eye. Considering the sophistication of the equipment, this is quite reasonable. Primarily the surgery is not covered by insurance as it is deemed cosmetic. So here is an example of how competition and free markets makes services available at reasonable costs.

    • Bingo!

      There was an interesting piece somewhere the other day where a doctor pointed out that in the same hospital, for the same procedure, no two patients will receive the same bill. Insurance has made it that complicated.

      I cannot remember ever understanding any bill I ever got, not when it was covered by employer sponsored insurance nor now under Medicare. Dr. asks for 4.2 million dollars to remove a wart and they pay him. $ 29.95. Anyone want to try and explain that?

  51. gmanfortruth says:
  52. gmanfortruth says:
  53. Jim Duncan says:

    I am tired of playing along with psy-op nonsense or whatever you people are doing. I am tired of being refused truth by those involved.

    I just wanted to help a few people and be a good dad.

  54. Pacific Legal Foundation on Thursday challenged Seattle’s new mandate forcing landlords to rent to the first qualified person who applies for a unit. By denying owners the freedom to choose among qualified applicants and to exercise nondiscriminatory discretion about who will live in their units, the “first in time” rule violates state constitutional protections for property rights, according to the lawsuit, filed in King County Superior Court.


  55. gmanfortruth says:
  56. Jim Duncan says:

    It has cost me a lot of time, …and then some.

    They started when I was a young man. I didn’t catch on until several years later. If I ask them about it directly, they lie.

    They continued to follow me around playing their stupid games, and apparently still do. It has taken many years, a period of personal hell, and a lot of very obscure methods/practices, but I have systematically used whatever available information to track it to networks of people organizations, institutions, associations, context, etc., .. .

    I have been researching and analyzing and digging deep to make sense out of a lot of it, but am still unclear of the ultimate purpose or context. (more information means more questions and ever expanding context) I have taken steps to reach out in the interest of truth reason, but identified players confronted thus far lie reject or ignore.

    I have traced it back to an early source[s], and have again reached out in the interest of understanding, truth reason, etc. The response is not forthright.

    What I am seeing is a large set of anomalies that does not coincide with what people accept as truth. Yet it is real. Loops, connected everywhere.

    All these people have apparently involved me in their business, but thus far have not explained themselves. THAT is a problem because it denies me truth, orientation, therefore judgement in regard to controlling my own life or how to respond to them.

    If they are listening, they really need to stop playing games and start explaining themselves, their position in regard to me.

    • It does make sense but…..This is the problem we have been having with other agencies and laws, primarily the EPA. The “administrator” interprets the meaning of the passed legislation. When challenged in court, the court defers to the “administrator’s determination”. Now I would bet the proverbial dollars to doughnuts that the courts would find against any effort to weaken Obama care and in those cases bypass the administrator for a “court” interpretation of meaning. Nonetheless it just shows how ridiculously out of hand things have become.

      I suggest we encourage the congress to drop this new name they have come up with and just call the dammed thing the “more” affordable care act. You realize of course that had they used a bit of subterfuge, they could have had much clearer sailing. Regardless of what atrocity is finally produced by the congress, it will be a nationwide, mandated program and no matter what changes, the bottom line is Obama stuck the camel’s nose under the tent. It will always be a result of what he started and the “credit” will be his for initiating it. It costs Republicans absolutely nothing to acknowledge it since they can never change the FACT.

  57. What an awkward moment for Governor of California, Brown, who took California’s infrastructure funds……and forgot about the roads and the dam. ….$25 billion went to support illegal immigrants……

  58. Then Elizabeth Warren, who says that minimum wage should be $22 per hour….but her interns work for the experience…..she does not pay them. And the same Elizabeth Warren who says, and I quote, “profiting on student loans is wrong. t is morally wrong. It is obscene.”

    And then she charged $400,000 to teach one course.

  59. Then……you have to outdo Elizabeth Warren when you have Nancy Pelosi saying, and this is a quote, ” I believe in natural gas as a clean, cheap alternative to fossil fuels.”

    But let us not stop here…..a direct quote from her in 2012….”Everybody will have lower rates, better quality care, and better access”…..and when questioned in 2013, her direct quote…” I don’t remember saying that everybody would have a lower premium.”

  60. Now enters the NCAA….which will play games in Cuba and China but refuse to play games in North Carolina because of human rights violations….

  61. One time cost border wall…..$10 billion. Annual cost of illegal immigration, $90 billion.

    Isn’t it interesting that if you take the time to peruse the CBO… find all sorts of interstong stats.

  62. Tomi Lahren says ” It is nice to see the main stream media suddenly care about ethics and transparency and conflicts of interests…I wonder where they were the last 8 years……Oh, I forgot, up President Obama’s butt.

  63. So, I will sign off with this………..I want to make sure that I have this straight,,,,,,If I work, I have to pay taxes to the Federal Government…If I do not work, the Federal Government pays me… I have that right?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      That may depend on a few things. One, your a white male so you can forget about it.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I am nothing but a bag man for the Govt. I carry the money from the bank to the tax office. And I get paid nothing. Just the promise to not have my knee caps broken, metaphorically of course.

  64. gmanfortruth says:

    It’s a start.

    There’s a lot to the new budget — too much to detail here — but here are some of the highlights, via WaPo:

    The cuts Trump plans to propose this week are also expected to lead to layoffs among federal workers, changes that would be felt sharply in the Washington area… [reducing] employment in the region by 1.8 percent and personal income by 3.5 percent, and lower home prices by 1.9 percent.

    The federal government is projected to spend $4.091 trillion next year, with roughly two-thirds of that going mostly toward Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, poverty assistance and interest payments on the government debt. This spending is expected to be left untouched in the budget proposal next week.

    What Trump will propose changing is the rest of the budget, known as discretionary spending, which is authorized each year by Congress. Slightly more than half of this remaining money goes to the military, and the rest is spread across agencies that operate things like education, diplomacy, housing, transportation and law enforcement.

    Among Trump’s expected proposals are an increase in military spending of $54 billion, more money to start building a wall along the border between the United States and Mexico, and the creation of new initiatives that expand access to charter schools and other educational programs.

    To offset that new money, Trump will propose steep cuts across numerous other agencies… cutting the Department of Housing and Urban Development’s budget by $6 billion, or 14 percent… cutting the Environmental Protection Agency’s staff by about 20 percent and tightening the Commerce Department’s budget by about 18 percent…

    Trump’s full budget will be released on Thursday.

  65. Just A Citizen says:

    The Republicans always talk about letting the “Free Market” bring down the cost of health care. This is based on the assumption that increasing competition in the “insurance” industry will bring down the cost of insurance.

    Yet the propose legislation that continues to “regulate” insurance by imposing “mandates” and such. This sounds like GW Bush claiming he had to destroy Capitalism in order to save it.

    Remove the mandates, remove all constraints and restrictions on the Insurance industry regarding what must be covered and how much can be charged. Remove all constraints on alternative methods of providing insurance, like cooperatives and other group assurance policies. Stop imposing on Doctor or Hospital groups who want to form advanced payment options on health care, not insurance.

    The only regulations needed are those that use Govt. to help consumers enforce the terms of the Contract with the Insurance Companies. No more denial of claims in hopes of chasing off the consumer who bought your policy.

    As a “bridge” to this I propose they continue using Medicaid to cover the poor and prior condition patients. Give the industry one to two years to prepare and then on X date, the ACA GOES AWAY.

  66. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the day.

    Ya’ll wonder how the country got to where it is. Well look at yourselves in the mirror and how you respond to the idea we “cannot backtrack on the Affordable Care Act” because people are now dependent on it and won’t give it up.

    You are supporting the continuation of the same behavior. If you accept it each time as the “new reality” then you set the course. The POLITICIANS will continue handing out free cookies to buy their votes because they know that nobody will ever try to reverse them. Thus the pendulum swings in one direction. Never returning to the point it began. But ever more in one direction.

    You cannot win this kind of war without the courage to make the hard choices and suffer the outrage of the opposition. The unpalatable needs to be done now. And if it works, the anger and agitation will be gone before the 4 year election cycle begins again.

    • OK, so you do the “right” thing. The media calls you out, the democrats call you out and the left wing of your own party calls you out. You are slaughtered in the mid-terms. You lose the House and Senate by majorities like you saw in ’64 and after Watergate. You can do nothing, your president may just get impeached if not, they just “investigate” the Russian connection till they actually find one. When it is all over, you have twenty five new social welfare programs and have eliminated the 2nd amendment.

      Try to remember, the only reason we have the “affordable care act” is because of the slam bang job Bush-Cheny did which allowed the dems to pass the damn thing without a single Republican vote.

      I am old enough to remember that the expression “Mr Hoover’s depression” lasted well into the early 1990’s with my PA relatives. “We” are constantly fighting an uphill battle. You can beat them and you can roll back some of this stuff but as my old Pappy used to say, “If it took forty years to screw it up, it will take forty to unscrew it”.

  67. Just A Citizen says:

    Budget thought

    2 Trillion is more than 10% of GDP. This should be more than enough to pay for current Federal Govt. operations.

    Add some special sunset taxes on the income brackets over 400 thousand per year and use that money EXCLUSIVELY to pay down the debt. As the debt is reduced the interest consumes less and less of the annual budget.

    Summary. Raise 3 Trillion in taxes, spend 2 Trillion on annual budgets and 1 Trillion on debt reduction. And of course, cut total annual spending to 2 Trillion. Balance the budget….NOW.

  68. Just A Citizen says:

    Memo to Sec Def.

    A new approach to budgeting the military is needed. Your orders are as follows:

    Goal: Defend the US and its territories from attack. Defend US and allied shipping against attack and piracy.

    Constraints: Your budget is no more than 3% of GDP.

    Now reconfigure your forces to meet this goal within this budget. Let me know in 4 months what options you have considered as viable. Within 6 months we will decide on a final course of action.

    All branches are to do this jointly in order to make sure maximum leverage of force readiness and effectiveness is achieved at the greatest efficiency possible.

    That is all.

  69. Texas has is about to pass the gender bill…..use the bathroom and facilities according to the gender you were born. Pretty simple.

    Texas teachers are protesting the state voucher system designed to give the poor greater access to schools….the teachers said the money could be better spent on salaries than to spend it on school vouchers……They claim that Texas teacher salaries, which start around $45,000 plus medical is simply not enough. The average teacher works a total of 8 1/2 months per year ( counting all holidays and summer vacation ) which raises the salary to $60,000 per year for time worked….much better than the Median income in the US. They will lose, of course, but it is the mindset faction that is saying…pay us….not the children.

    • I do not know what has is means…..but, it could be that we have 32 degrees this morning and my brain is frozen…….so, let us revise this to….Texas is, in the opening sentence. Now, we are going to warm up to 60 today….but still…….cold belongs north of the Red River.

    • I tend to think the bathroom issue is overblown. For anyone who has never been in the ladies’ room, we have stalls. No one does their business in front of anyone else. Anything perverse that someone might do in there is already illegal, so what is the point of making another law. It’s a little like a gun free zone; if it isn’t enforceable, it’s pointless. Is someone going to stand at the door of the restroom and check to be sure you are female? How is that going to work? I’ll pass on the vagina check, thank you. The left just uses this issue to make the right look intolerant, and they fall for it every time.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Agreed. The only need for a law is to protect the very, very few people who ask management to tell someone to leave. It is the owner/manager that needs to be protected. Not laws requiring access nor those preventing it.

        If I don’t want a man in the restroom with my young daughter, I should not be thrown in jail if I stop a man from entering the facility while she is in there. Stalls or not, that is my daughter.

        The people using the rest rooms have pretty much had this sorted out for years.

        • Well, to answer both of you…the bill reads…….it is only in public rest rooms, schools and colleges. All privately owned business’, schools and college are free to decide for themselves… Texas, it is not a minority that is wanting this passed….it is actually the majority and mostly women. We are still old fashioned and reject the “new world” and transgender.

          Call us back woods if you want….it is what WE want…and, quite simply, we do not care what the rest of the world or the country thinks. We, Texans, are exercising our rights as a state. It is a state issue.

          I do not care if there are stalls in women’s rest rooms….I have a business office and have seperate rest rooms and men and women all have the stalls….that does not matter. It is the principle that matters….it is a state issue. I think that pretty much answers it.

          • As far as my personal beliefs….I choose not to support business’ that allow the policy. I have two grand daughters and I will be damned if they will have to share a rest room with a male that identifies as a female as long as I am alive. BUT….that is my personal belief. I do not subscribe to this European concept that is failing over there….

            I might even add that this issue is huge in the military. All these women who want to be in the field and in combat roles are demanding separate facilities in the friggin’ field. THERE ARE NO PORT O POTTIES IN THE FIELD OR A COMBAT ENVIRONMENT… if the women do not supposedly care….why the problem of sharing showers and restrooms with men?

            • gmanfortruth says:

              THe sharing of restroom and showers was never an issue in the field during Desert Storm. We used “occupied” signs and it was made clear that everyone’s privacy will be honored. I didn’t hear a complaint or about any problems.

              That said, I don’t feel that women should be in certain war fighting units. While a few may do just fine, the majority are simply not suited for certain combat situations. There is plenty of jobs in the military for everyone to succeed within their skill set, men and women.

  70. gmanfortruth says:

    There is a new thread posted 🙂

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