When It’s Over

SC11A special counsel has been put on the job to investigate all the allegations against Trump.  Maybe this is just what the doctor ordered and it will finally silence the Democrats and their lapdog media.  This is the credibility check the Democrats and fellow Liberals have needed for a long time and when it’s over, I’ll go on record that the Left will have no credibility after the collusion nonsense is put to rest.  They may have bitten off more than they can chew.

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  1. gmanfortruth says:

    The repercussions of this will be very interesting. Did Trump just put HRC back under investigation? Maybe someone could answer this question…what would collusion look like if it existed?

    • gmanfortruth says:

      It would look like the Liberal media and the HRC campaign working together to fix polls, write kind articles and attack her opponent. Already proven and it isn’t against the law….or so it seems.

  2. gmanfortruth says:
  3. gmanfortruth says:

    Speaking of fake news: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/266714/anonymous-sources-washington-post-and-cnn-fake-daniel-greenfield

    Media bias began to corrupt the marketplace. But bias meant the selective reporting of facts. Falsehoods could creep in. But generally the media would not just casually run stories that were completely false. It would happen from time to time. But it wouldn’t be a constant practice.

    And then a tipping point was reached.

    Historians of journalism will argue over when the dam broke. Was it the age of Obama or of Trump? But the day arrived. The sun rose over the CNN Center in Atlanta, the K Street digs of the Washington Post and the offices of other media organizations. And it was no longer a question of selective reporting. We were no longer arguing about the injection of opinion into news stories or journalistic double standards.

    The age of fake news had arrived. We no longer have a free press. All we have is a fake press.

    • Mathius says:

      The age of fake news had arrived. We no longer have a free press. All we have is a fake press.

      So should I just resign myself to getting all my future news from Trump’s twitter feed?

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I am trying to convince myself to take ALL media stuff with a grain of salt (or the whole shaker). Sadly, when it comes to political reporting, no one can be trusted. Anymore, it’s all click bait, as WaPo has recently celebrated.

        It does make for good conversations here though 😀

  4. Mathius says:

    Roger Ailes, dead at 77..

    “I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure”

    • How long until this gets blamed on Hillary?

      • I’m blaming it on the FOX females. I don’t know weather there was hanky panky going on or not, but Ailes made FOX News. He prob died of broken heart.

        • Mathius says:

          (A) A $40 million severance package would go a long ways toward soothing my heart if I lost my job.

          (B) For him to die of a “broken heart,” he’d have to have a heart. I’m not prepared to believe that was the case.

          (C) You blame the women who accused him of sexual harassment? What if they’re telling the truth? If he did 1/10th of what he’s accused of, he absolutely deserved everything he got – and more – and it sure as hell wouldn’t have been anyone’s fault but his own. Do you purport that he was pure as the driven snow and was merely the victim in all of this? Because, while I do lack proof, the preponderance of the available evidence suggests otherwise. If Bill Cosby killed himself tomorrow, would you blame the women who are accusing him of rape?

          • I probably shouldn’t have used the word blame. I’m just saying that they all went along with the game while it suited them. It had supposedly gone on for several years. They all went blonde and sleeveless while the gettin was good. Megyn did an interview saying that there were advances toward her but that aside from that Ailes was a gentleman and fair boss. Right or wrong, Ailes probably did die from broken heart after being tossed from a corp that he built from scratch.

  5. A sheepdog finishes getting all of the sheep into the pen.

    He reports back to the farmer and says “Ruff, ruff, all 40 sheep accounted for, ruff.”

    “But I only have 36 sheep,” responded the farmer.

    “I know,” says the sheepdog. “I rounded them up.”

  6. gmanfortruth says:

    When Mueller starts getting attacked by the Liberal media, that’s when they start claiming a biased investigation, which is short for …….WE LIED.

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    AND RELATED MATTERS! Let’s see, the only crime that we know has been committed is the unmasking of General Flynn. With possible spying on Trump and his people by the past Administration, this could really backfire on the Democrats.

  8. gmanfortruth says:

    The big three networks are far from Centrist. With NBC being the worse at Left Wing spin.

    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2017/05/17/nets-flock-special-prosecutor-news-knock-trump-and-mock-gop?

  9. gmanfortruth says:

    But Mueller will do a thorough job, and if he comes to the end of his investigation and finds that Trump did not have any inappropriate or criminal contact with the Russian government in 2016, that should close the book on it. Yes, the conspiracy theorists in the Democratic party will shriek about a cover-up, the same way Diebold machines stole Ohio for Bush in 2004 and Gore really won Florida and George H.W. Bush secretly met with the Iranians in Paris to keep the hostages in Tehran until after Election Day. No election loss is ever fair or their fault.

    History is a fun thing.

    • Mathius says:

      But Mueller will do a thorough job, and if he comes to the end of his investigation and finds that Trump did not have any inappropriate or criminal contact with the Russian government in 2016, that should close the book on it

      That seems to be the case.

      I’ll reserve judgement in case there are any… ahem.. irregularities (for example, if he gets fired and someone else finishes up the investigation, etc).

      Yes, the conspiracy theorists in the Democratic party will shriek about a cover-up,

      Yup. Exactly the same way the conspiracy theoriest whine about about Benghazi despite Clinton having been cleared.

      And they can all go shove it up their respective asses.

      No election loss is ever fair or their fault.

      Trump is still bitching about losing the popular vote due to some hypothetical 5 mm illegal voters.

      Yes, the Democrats are the ones who never take ownership of their losses.

      And, again, they can all go shove it up their respective asses.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        Bengahzi was not because of some movie on you tube, as the Adminstration claimed, despite knowing it wasnt. It was just another lie within the long list of lies handed to us.

        This investigation may take alot of unexpected people down, and it won’t be Trump of his people.

        • Mathius says:

          Bengahzi was not because of some movie on you tube, as the Adminstration claimed, despite knowing it wasnt.

          And Comey’s firing was not Trump just accepting the recommendations he had been handed.

          By his own admission, and despite his administration shouting from the rooftops to the contrary, he had made the decision previously.

          The administration knew one thing and told us something else.

          It was just another lie within the long list of lies handed to us.

          Exactly!

          —–

          You see no equivalence here? Of course you don’t.

          Me, personally, I happen to believe that Trump and his staff weren’t communicating and Trump went off-script in an interview. As far as the democrats’ “lie” is concerned, I happen to believe that they were still trying to sort out the intel, gave what theories they had at the time, and clarified once they knew more. I attribute both to disorganization and incomplete information.

          The only other factor is that it took Obama’s team longer to straighten out the story.. and that’s fair in my mind because it was just that much harder to get all the facts cleared up. Whereas Team Trump could have, you know, just asked the boss.

          In short: Trump was an unforced error involving miscommunication and incomplete information. Obama was a forced error involving miscommunication and incomplete information. But you attribute to Obama malice where you see none for Trump. And I call bullshit.

          Either they were both lying and trying to spin the narrative to a more favorable one, or *ahem* what we’ve got here is a failure to communicate.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        Just wanted to point out that you are ONCE AGAIN doing the very thing you complain people do here. Using the false equivalency to ignore the point.

        What Trump said about illegal voters has NOTHING to do with the claim the Democratic Party has tried to undermine the “legitimacy” of the last two elected Republicans.

        With Bush it started with Florida and a “Stolen election”. Then onto the electoral college ruse and how the R’s stole it with gerrymandering. This time it was the Russians.

        Are you going to admit it or keep up the diversion?

        • Mathius says:

          My point about the “illegal voters” is that Trump is also whining. And, in the interest of fairness, I told all whiners to shove it, did I not?

          I see no false equivilancy except insofar as I think the President should not act like a baby.

          What Trump said about illegal voters has NOTHING to do with the claim the Democratic Party has tried to undermine the “legitimacy” of the last two elected Republicans.

          That wasn’t the claim you were making.

          Yes, the conspiracy theorists in the Democratic party will shriek about a cover-up, the same way Diebold machines stole Ohio for Bush in 2004 and Gore really won Florida and George H.W. Bush secretly met with the Iranians in Paris to keep the hostages in Tehran until after Election Day. No election loss is ever fair or their fault.

          The claim you were making is that Democrats are a bunch of whiny crybaby conspiracy theoriest hung up on blaming anyone but themselves.

          My counterpoint is that, while that is certainly true of some Democrats, it is also true of some Republicans – including the leader of the free world. And that they’re all idiots who need to quit whining and shut up.

          Equally. I hate them all equally. I call bullshit on them all equally. I object to their victim-complexes equally. And consistently.

          Clinton ceded the election. It’s done. Trump is President. Griping won’t change that. Similarly, Bush served his terms. Whining about Gore won’t get us anywhere. Similarly, the official tally says Trump lost the popular vote and he has no evidence to say otherwise, so he needs to shut up and move on.

          Assholes, the lot of them. A bunch of whiny crybabies.

          No hypocrisy here. I think they all suck.

          How about you?

          Then onto the electoral college ruse and how the R’s stole it with gerrymandering.

          Of course the Republicans are gerrymanering. They’re open about it. They’ve even defended it in court explicitly stating that their goal is political advantage (as opposed to racial discrimination which would render it illegal). It makes sense that they’d use this tool to their advantage – it’s a powerful tool, and they control most of the state houses. When Dems sweep in 2020, they’re going to abuse it just as badly. And at that time, I will object similarly.

          With Bush it started with Florida and a “Stolen election”.

          Florida was close. But it doesn’t matter. The result was certified and it’s in the past. It’s done with. We can’t go back and reinstate President Gore. So who gives a shit? I’ll answer my own question: people with sour grapes who have trouble letting go.

          These things are in the past. They are over and done with. Which brings us to..

          This time it was the Russians.

          It seems clear to me that Russia was involved with manipulating the election. Whether and how much Trump or his staff were complicit, I cannot say. Thus, I support efforts to investigate.

          If a crime was committed, I will support appropriate sentencing.

          If no crime was committed, I will support moving on.

          If there are irregularities in the investigation such that I do not have confidence in the result, I will support an effort to re-investigate.

          If Trump’s staff was complicit, I will advocate for appropriate sentencing.

          If Trump, himself was complicit, I will advocate for appropriate sentencing.

          If Trump and his staff were innocent, but others (including Russia / Putin / Russian agents) acted illegally, I will advocate for appropriate action there as well.

          I do not support investigations as a means of smearing your political opponent or trying them in the press.

          I do not support investigations into Russia as a means of smearing Trump or of hindering his political agenda.

          This is true of Trump. And was true of Clinton.

          Benghazi was a multi-year political witch hunt whose primary goal was not truth, but to harm her political prospects ahead of the 2016 election. As Mr. Colonel stated, the Benghazi investigation was over in 24 hrs. Everything after that was milking it for political ends. You think it’s a coincidence that it wrapped up and published the results in the height of her campaign for President?

          To that end, the Trump/Russia investigation should proceed in a non-partisan fashion as quickly as reasonably practicable. It should release it’s results when they are ready, without spin. And we should arrest those who need arresting. Shoot those who need shooting. And then everyone else should move on with their lives.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            I concur with most but not your accusations against the Benghazi investigation. The House Committee would have been able to conclude its findings much earlier if not for stonewalling by the Administration, as well as political games played by the Democrats on the committee. Mr. Cummings be a prime culprit.

            In fact, the FINAL report was not issued until December, following the election. The final was delayed, the draft released during the election season last summer, because the Administration would not de-classify some information the Committee felt essential to public understanding of their findings. By withholding this “evidence” the Democrats could feign “bias” in the Committee’s final report. Because those documents supported the conclusions.

            This was not just a witch hunt. It was a relevant and justified investigation into a catastrophe and what appeared to be a political motivation for obfuscating the facts to the public immediately afterwards.

            And for the record, I would have supported a similar effort regardless of who was in the big chair.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            ON gerrymandering. Yes, BOTH parties do this when they are in control.

            However, ONE MORE TIME. Gerrymandering has NOTHING to do with the Electoral College outcome. Thus it does not affect who is POTUS.

            Unless the election is deadlocked and the House has to elect POTUS. Then it would matter.

            Despite this obvious fact, I have seen more than a handful of Democrats claim this is why Trump was elected.

            As to one other point you alluded to. That being the why of the Democrats howling about Russians. I do not think it is because of their refusal to admit defeat. I think it is because of the very nature of those who now control the Party. RAGE is part of their nature and they believe that fomenting RAGE will help them regain seats in Congress and maybe POTUS. So far it appears to be working as the fundraising on the RAGE is bringing in tons of money.

            And before you pull one of those “yeah but the other guy” routines, let me point out that Trump also ran on the RAGE agenda. Although he also provided some HOPE along with it. So far there has been little hope coming from Dem. leadership other than “Impeach Trump”.

            I do share your disgust with the whole lot. But mine has been there for a longer time maybe. Remember, I was the one over 8 years ago calling for us to skin the leaders and hang their hides on a fence to scare the others away.

            By the way, did you happen to hear Kussinich’s interviews with Sean Hannity yesterday? He claimed that he had been put under surveillance by the FBI and either NSA or CIA when he suggested we should stop poking Russia in the eye and start minding our own business. He said he thinks the “deep state” is trying to take out Trump and the Dems should get away from this or they will get burned.

            • Mathius says:

              ON gerrymandering. Yes, BOTH parties do this when they are in control.

              Correct.

              However, ONE MORE TIME. Gerrymandering has NOTHING to do with the Electoral College outcome. Thus it does not affect who is POTUS.

              Correct.

              Unless the election is deadlocked and the House has to elect POTUS. Then it would matter.

              Correct.

              I think it is because of the very nature of those who now control the Party. RAGE is part of their nature and they believe that fomenting RAGE will help them regain seats in Congress and maybe POTUS. So far it appears to be working as the fundraising on the RAGE is bringing in tons of money.

              Why not both?

              But you are correct. Rage is a powerful tool. It worked very successfully for the conservatives under Obama. There is no reason to suppose that it will not serve liberals well under Trump.

              As a political tool, sowing discontent due to a belief (justified or otherwise) that the election was “stolen” from the rightful winner is a good way to generate enough outrage to bring in dollars and votes.

              See also: birtherism.

              And, of course, I reject both on all counts.

              If – IF – it is determined beyond a shadow of a reasonable doubt in a court of law that Trump knowingly colluded with a foreign power to manipulate the election, he should be thrown out of office and into a prison cell. Under that circumstance, I suppose, I would assert that there should be a special election to replace him rather than the standard chain of succession since Pence would also have been a beneficiary of criminal activity.

              Baring that, Democrats should shut the hell up and focus on legitimate issues.

              Kussinich’s […] claimed that he had been put under surveillance by the FBI and either NSA or CIA when he suggested we should stop poking Russia in the eye and start minding our own business.

              Don’t get me wrong, I love the guy, but he’s squirrlier than a .. well, than a bag of squirrels.

              He’s a few fries short of a happy meal.

              A few cards short of a full deck.

              A few watts short of a standard lightbulb.

              A few crackerjacks short of a full box.

              A few apples short of an apple pie.

              A few yards short of a touchdown.

              A few feathers short of a duck.

              But I’ll also point out that the President made a similar suggestion – that he was being bugged by the Obama administration – without any evidence.

              And he, too, is a few oars short of having both oars.

              ————

              And, as always, they both need to shut the hell up.

              Or they both need a good therapist.

              Or they both need a solid kick to the head by the nearest available mule.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            I am going to take exception to this part: “It seems clear to me that Russia was involved with manipulating the election.”

            This is the premise of the DNC and Clinton people. Yet the term “manipulating” infers some definitive outcome. X was manipulated by Y into doing ABC.

            There is a lot of evidence, provided by the Govt. agencies and one private firm, that the Russians INSERTED themselves in the election by taking and releasing emails about the DNC and how they colluded to get Clinton the nomination over Sanders. Of collusion between certain media consultants and the Clinton campaign.

            It is ASSUMED, again because govt. agencies tell us, that Guccifer 2 was a Russian in disquise. That Russia was funneling the info to Wikileaks. Assange claims he got the info from someone in the USA, not any Russians.

            During this time the Russians supposedly did all kinds of other cyber attacks and hacks, along with the Chinese, if you remember. Apparently, the Russians hacked Mr. Obama’s campaign back when he first ran, or maybe it was his second race.

            Now I ask you to remember what the agency people said when first asked why they thought the Russians did this. Their response was that the primary reason is to undermine American confidence in our election process. The idea they wanted Trump to win came later and was a secondary point. So as of today, WHO is doing the most damage to the American pubic’s confidence in the election system? The Russians or the US media and Democratic Party???

            Also remember that the Russians tried to hack the RNC as well. And that the FBI’s first warning after the DNC hack was that the Russians had the DNC’s “opposition research on Trump”. This has never been proven as true, nor have many of the claims.

            I am just pointing out that to claim they manipulated or interfered with perpetuates this narrative that the Russians actually impacted the outcome. All the time the Dems were claiming the email releases had little impact and the real damage was done by Comey. Now they claim the Russians “hacked the election”.

            At this point I must also remind everyone that there were in fact hacks of certain State elector data bases. It was discovered that this was done by the NSA, which Clapper denied and then had to apologize for causing panic in the State(s) involved.

  10. Mathius says:

    I do love hypotheticals.

    Let us suppose that it is proven, in a court of law, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Mr. Trump knowingly and deliberately conspired with Putin to manipulate the election. Let us suppose that Trump gave a heartfelt confession on live TV before turning himself in to the authorities and subsequently pleaded guilty. There can be no doubt.

    There is no evidence to suggest either Pence or his staff were aware or complicit any any way.

    Under ordinary circumstances, Pence should become the new President. HOWEVER, as he was the direct beneficiary of a criminal activity, I would suggest that a special election is in order.

    Now, this is not what the Constitution says. But let’s suppose did have the authority to make such a decision.. to do “the right thing.”

    What say you? Just as a thought experiment.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      No special election, either under your hypothetical or in the real world.

      UNLESS, it could be proven that Pence knew and participated willingly in trying to cover something up. But your hypothetical eliminated that option, so ……….NO.

      One other thing missing. Your hypothetical would have to imagine that Trump colluding with the Russians would actually be illegal. Thus involving a court of law and an admission of guilt.

      The key principle at play here is two fold. Pence is innocent and should not be punished. And the election of the vice president is a separate ballot race than POTUS. The Veep job is elected separately from POTUS. If there were no majority, in the Electoral College, the Senate would elect the Vice President.

      If Trump resigns, and Pence is promoted he will nominate a Veep replacement which will have to be confirmed by the Senate. Can you imagine how that will go in this day and age of politics???

  11. Mathius says:

    Oooh boy..

    WaPo has obtained a recording of Paul Ryan and a few “top republican leaders” from June 15, 2016.

    McCarthy: The Russians hacked the DNC and got the opp research that they had on Trump. [laughs]

    [Crosstalk]

    Ryan: The Russians hacked the DNC..

    McHenry: … to get oppo …

    Ryan: … on Trump and like delivered it to.. to who [should say to “whom,” damnit!]

    – and –

    “There’s . . . there’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, drawing some laughter. “Swear to God,” McCarthy added.

    “This is an off the record,” Ryan said.

    WaPo approached Ryan’s office with the story. Ryan denied such a conversation had ever occurred.

    WaPo then stated they had a transcript. Ryan said the transcript was fake or altered or otherwise incorrect.

    WaPo then disclosed that they had a recording. Ryan then stated that he had made an inappropriate joke.

    Worth a read: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2209/

    Now, were they being sincere or just cracking jokes? I can’t say. I am inclined to believe they were joking, but had a kernel of truth in it. And, as far as I can find, WaPo hasn’t released the recording – though Ryan’s claim that it was a joke cements its veracity.

    What I can say is that Ryan was caught dead in a lie denying the conversation. And nothing is going to come of it. I suppose it is easy to forget a one-off joke from a year ago, though. I certainly don’t remember every word that has ever come out of my mouth. So… take it for what it’s worth.

    What I can also say, though, is that this is at least interesting.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mathius

      Your running late. The guy came out already and said he was just making a joke.

      I do agree that it is interesting in the context that politicians first response is to deny uncomfortable stuff, forcing them to eat crow later.

      The other interesting thing is the probable reason for Ryan trying to distance himself at the time. He was trying to make nice with Trump after declaring him perona non grata when he got the nomination.

  12. Mathius says:

    Trump: “I cherish the FBI. It’s special. All over the world, no matter where you go, the FBI is special.

    The FBI has not had that special reputation with what happened in the campaign. With what happened with the Clinton campaign.

    And, even, you could say, what happened with the much more successful Trump campaign.”

    I met a minor actor a few years back – can’t remember his name – he had played a character called, of all things, Donkeylips on a minor afterschool show called Salute Your Shorts. In fact, I had watched the show on occasion as a kid and enjoyed it. I didn’t particularly care for his character – he was just an oaf who was always in the way, but whatever.

    As it turned out, I had met him at a poker table and, apropos of nothing, he had informed me of his childhood role within moments of my sitting down. He then followed it up by trying to engage me in trivia about the show and his character – how many seasons (only one, by the way), his character’s real name (nobody cares), etc. He would splash the pot constantly and each time say something like “I’m such a donkey” – a clear reference to his role as Donkeylips. It was insufferable.

    Mr. Trump reminds me a lot of Donkeylips. A man so insecure that he has to perpetually puff himself up by constantly reminding everyone around him of his Great Achievement.

    Just as, I’m sure, to this day, Donkeylips tells everyone he meets about his 15 seconds of minor fame, Donald Trump can’t even talk about the importance of the FBI without shoehorning in the successfulness of his campaign.

    I doubt he can place a lunch order without bringing it up.

    I bet it’s why Melania insists on living in New York – he probably brings it up during, err, the horizontal mambo.

  13. very interesting interview with law professor Alan Dershowitz today: Supposedly a very respected expert on the Constitution. The subject matter is Russian collusion.

    He says: Even if Trump talked directly to Putin and said, I want to be PResident, can you help me. This is not collusion and is not illegal. He further stated that if Trump asked Putin to release ONLY the wikileaks stuff on Clinton….it is not illegal.

    He went on to say, there is nothing in the law or the Constitution that prohibits talking to any head of state asking for help to get elected.

    And he offered this challenge. ANYONE who is saying that Donald Trumo colluded with the Russians and that it was illegal….step forward.

  14. Put your drinks down.

    Bill O’Reilly for press secretary.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Want some real entertainment everyday?

      Ted Nugent for Press Secretary 😀

      • He’s a patriot for sure, a little scrambled tho. Likes to hear himself talk politics, but I’d rather hear him talk about the Spirit of the Wild. :::Fred Bear, walk with me, down the trail again…:::

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    We now have a headline on almost all internet news sites claiming that the Russian investigation has now “turned into a criminal investigation”.

    If I had not heard a Senator who attended the closed door meeting with the Asst. AG today I would not have dived into this already. But the headline doesn’t match with what the Senator said happened. And he was reluctant to say it was a criminal investigation, stating only that it could turn that direction and the Deputy AG would not discuss things that “might become part of an investigation by Mr. Mueller.

    So where did this headline come from? Another FAKE news story? It looks like it was Lyndsey Graham that caused this. By stating that it was “his view” that this was “inferred” somehow. I remind everyone of my constant bashing of Republicans being able to undermine their own party. Deep within the story I read on this, at The National Memo, was this:

    “Graham acknowledged that Rosenstein did not explicitly confirm that the department was now looking into possible ties between Russia and the Trump campaign as a criminal matter. ”

    So he dropped the innuendo, acknowledged there was no explicit confirmation, then allows the Press to run the FAKE headline without challenging it. Instead doubling down in other interviews.

    McCain and Graham seem to want war with Russia. Looks like they will do what ever it takes to make that happen.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The National Memo is making Alex Jones look like a genius.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Not really. They have had some very good articles of late on Russia and other issues. I would put many of their audience with the Alex Jones crowd though.

  16. Just A Citizen says:

    Can someone tell me how the FBI knew the Russians had tried to hack the DNC computers before the DNC people knew? They did not call the FBI to come investigate. The FBI contacted the DNC first.

    What is it the FBI is monitoring that would allow them to know this before the victim knows. This happened at least twice according to the record published by various news outlets.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Maybe it’s more like…Who ISN’T being spied on?

    • @JAC – “Can someone tell me how the FBI knew the Russians had tried to hack the DNC computers before the DNC people knew? They did not call the FBI to come investigate. The FBI contacted the DNC first.”

      That is more common than you think – especially in the private sector. Had lunch with some Bureau folks earlier this week – only thing that has changed recently is they are connecting the dots sooner.

      For folks that do what I do – you don’t want that phone call from the Bureau…..or Brian Krebs

  17. gmanfortruth says:

    Trump is heading overseas on his own personal apology tour…..apologizing for Barack Obama 😀

  18. gmanfortruth says:

    Dallas County Whistleblower Tapes Democrat Campaign Worker Describing Voter Fraud Schemes

    https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/05/17/dallas-county-whistleblower-tapes-democrat-campaign-worker-describing-voter-fraud-schemes/

    Video included

  19. gmanfortruth says:
    • I have a love/hate relationship with Shep Smith, but that was very nice.

    • As horrified as I am about the accusations against Ailes-I am still very grateful that he created Fox News- As bad as this Country is at the moment, I can’t imagine what it would be without Fox.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        V.H.

        Oh come on, sure you can. Just look at California. Imagine that spread almost everywhere and in control of the Federal Govt.

        • JAC, there are still some rednecks left in CA. We’re just out numbered.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            TRay

            Some, that is true. But many of them moved up here. I wish ya’ll would take some of them back.

            Going to be passing your way in June. Was hoping to see Big Sur but I understand the highway is closed from the north. And I am not going half way to LA just to backtrack.

  20. Just A Citizen says:

    Last night on NPR, Madeline Albright, not one of my favorites, stated emphatically that WE ALL should wish Mr. Trump good will and success on his international tour. Because his success is not only good for him but essential to the well being of the United States.

    It was very refreshing to see some adults discuss Mr. Trump’s foreign policy efforts. Of course Judy Woodruf kept trying to drag the discussion back to “Russians are coming” but the two diplomats wouldn’t bite.

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought for the morning coffee break.

    The most damaging, and disconcerting, thing about the Russian efforts during the election was NOT the hacking of the DNC nor the release of emails.

    It was the broad effort to create fake news stories and drive opinion on the internet via use of trolls and expansion of said fake news. This effort led many somewhat credible outlets to carry this fake news, thus adversely affecting their credibility.

    Now think back to the many stories about Mr. Obama when SUFA first got going, where I offered evidence they were FAKE. We speculated then as to who was doing this. I assumed political operatives within the US trying to make “right wing” sites and pundits look stupid. What if it was the Russian even back then???

    Remember, the goal is not to insert any particular person or party. It is to harm our confidence in the system. To impair the legitimacy of the Govt. and our other institutions on which we depend for governance. This includes the Press. Although the press is certainly doing a good job of destroying its own credibility.

    • “Although the press is certainly doing a good job of destroying its own credibility.” – in his book “Insane Clown President” Matt Taibbi has some good writing on this. Too much of the popular press (yes – including Fox) are entertainment outlets. You can hate Taibbi but he occasionally makes some salient points worth noting.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Let’s first look at the evidence available. The DNC server was NOT investigated by the government, but by a private company who are walking back previous statements about being hacked. That’s because most people thought it was an inside job and the leaker, Seth Rich was murdered. There is clear evidence Rich was in contact with Wikileaks. The hacking story is falling apart fast.

      Next, Podesta’s email were taken by a phisher, not a true hacker. Technically, they weren’t even stolen since the password was provided by staff. Phishing is NOT hacking, that is already a false narrative. It is also strike two and they have only swung twice.

      There is NO evidence, almost a year into the Russia collusion swing. There isn’t likely to ever be any evidence, it’s all bullshit. That is strike three as soon as the umpire calls it.

      I’m also not buying the fake news by the Russian’s nonsense. Anybody can put out fake stories these days and there was plenty during the election……including big ones by the MSM.

      I think Russian influence is a Liberal pipe dream and just another excuse for losing, just like the last few losses, as I have posted.

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    Another thought.

    What if the whole leaking email stuff during the election is actually due to “all of the above” instead of the binary choice of The Russians vs. Insider Leaks.

    What if the Russians did hack the DNC, but the leaks were given to Wikileaks by an insider. The Russians, aka Guccifer got to Podesta, but Wiki got the inside information. Remember, the RNC said it’s computers were not accessed, even though the Russians tried.

    It is very possible that both things actually happened. Which would explain why there seemed to be two sources predicting future “bombshells”, only some of which actually involved Clinton.

    • Just going to add – it is child’s play to gain access to any of those systems. If someone truly wanted access/data they’d have it. All the best/expensive technology in the world will not keep out even moderately talented computer criminals.

  23. Canine Weapon says:

    Trump whines to Coast Guard: No president has ever ‘been treated worse’

    “Umm.. excuse me?” – Abraham Lincoln

    • Whining is taking your football and going home. It is about time someone stood up and actually said what is going on.

      I lived through Viet-nam, Goldwater and Nixon. Watched “Saturday Night Live’s” resident “comedian” and chief pothead Chevy Chase destroy Gerald Ford. Watched them destroy “read my lips” Bush, watched them destroy Bush Jr. who at least deserved some of what he got. Watched them brand Romney as a cruel, destroy healthcare for sick employee animal abuser. And I watched EVERY one of them just sit there and take it!

      It is sir, with all due respect, time to call out these Mother-F—— Bastards!

      • Lincoln, you may remember, suspended major portions of the “Bill of Rights”.

        • Mathius says:

          That is true, sir.

          But certainly, getting shot in the head was a little “worse,” no?

          Or, Kennedy, if you prefer?

          Surely, it’s laughable to suggest that Trump is getting it worse than any President.

          In fact, Trump didn’t even say President. He said “no politician in history.”

          I’m sure you remember when Charles Sumner was beaten with a cane on the senate floor and then spent months in a coma. Then again, there’s this:

          • gmanfortruth says:

            I’m thinking that we are talking modern times here, in the US.

            I agree with Trump, the MSM, except for FOX, are part of the problems in politics and FOX isn’t far off. Pick a network at night, Trump and Russia, every night. Can’t wait for ya’ll to choke on that big crow you’ll be eating, just like after election day, baked crow will be served with a side of humility.

            • I posted a link to the neg vs pos coverage above. The MSM is >80% negative. Only Fox is close to neutral. These numbers are far worse than Bush 43.

              • Mathius says:

                Is it not relevant that he’s giving them so much negative fodder?

                I mean, 80/20 negative would be suggestive of bias IF you stipulate that he’s doing a decent job and not creating trainloads of drama.

                But he’s not. Every other day, he says or does something insane and, I think, deliberately headline-grabbing. Trump seems to adhere to the philosophy of “all publicity is good publicity,” while simultaneously taking umbrage when the media takes the bate.

                I bet most books you can find on Stalin are very negative. Probably 80/20 negative. Are literary historians biased? Or, maybe, just maybe, the guy got the coverage he deserved?

                Trump deserves negative media, so it’s not really bias when he receives it.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                Mathius, It’s the Liberal media, not him. The Lies that have been debunked in just this year, reported by the Liberal media is/should be criminal. Your brainwashed brother, they now OWN you.

          • I am sure that somewhere some “comedian” has suggested Oswalding the President. In addition, the quiet buzz has been that for some time. the cacophony will grow and someone will try it maybe successfully. Then you can all shed your crocodile tears and talk about ” it was only satire”.

            Some how, you may not think so, he was NOT talking about that. I’ve been paying attention, a lot of attention, to this crap since Kennedy’s presidency and NO ONE, since then, not even LBJ during ’67-’68, or Nixon in the last two years, has taken as much meaningless, bogus flack as he has in 120 days!!!. C’mon you know that Goebbel’s maxim and Stalin’s is at work here. “TELL A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH AND IT BECOMES THE TRUTH”. I have neighbors who are absolutely convinced that the Russians were in the voting booths because they DON’T pay attention. They heard it on the news when you ask them.That is how the Nazi’s did the Jews for God’s sake and the Commies everybody else.

            And as I said, whining is taking your football home. He’s calling them out!

      • And I watched EVERY one of them just sit there and take it!

        This, sir, is the problem…..the Republicans do not fight back on anything….and, therefore, deserve what they get. More Obama’s, more Clintons, more politicians that have no class and do not have the country’s interest at heart.

        Perhaps it is time for a revolution…..nah, I did not say that.

        • Charlie asked me the other day, what happens if they succeed and drive him out? I said time to take the musket and powder horn and man the barricades.

          This, you may remember was accomplished by a minority, about 20 percent of the population, a very active 20% and we got more than that.

          — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on …

          What did brother Malcolm say…..”by any means necessary.”

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Canine Weapon

      It begs the question, however, that if we had not already fought a Civil War to establish that Fee Men who Freely join a Union are not allowed to Freely leave the union, what the blue states would have done upon Trump’s election.

      No Sir, I think Trump’s treatment is close to what Lincoln experienced when he began. A house divided with half of it claiming he was NOT LEGITIMATE.

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    Another thought.

    The goal of the establishment is to get Mr. Trump under oath before either FBI investigators or a Grand Jury. Then ask him a series of questions involving his judgment.

    He will not be able to keep himself from lying about something. He will have to undermine some previous public statement, one way or the other. He either gets indicted for lying under oath or ridiculed for lying about something else. Like how he and Putin got along so well when he was trying to do business in Russia.

    While some hold out hope Mr. Trump will be absolved of the “Russian connection” garbage, I suspect this will not end well for him. The only question remaining is how fast they want Mr. Trump gone. Will they allow this to stretch 3 years until the next election? Or will they prefer having Mr. Pence sit in the big chair.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Was Clinton put under oath by the FBI? NOOOOOO! He should refuse and tell them he wants the same treatment as Clinton.

      • It is still illegal to lie to the FBI, oath or no oath. Where Clinton failed was in his statements to the courts in regard to the law suites.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          BILL Clinton lied to a Grand Jury. That was why he was impeached, not his lying about sex with a subordinate. Which is sexual harassment in the work place.

          But he was not convicted because “obstruction of justice” and “lying to a Grand Jury” was not deemed a “high crime or misdemeanor” to the Democrats on the Senate. Some of which are screaming for Trump’s impeachment today. For “obstruction of justice”, because he asked Comey if he could see fit to lay off Flynn now that he had been forced out.

          Many also seem to forget that Bill and I think Hillary both lost their license to practice law as a result of their respective investigations back then.

    • I do not think Trump will be stupid enough to testify before any committee…..

  25. gmanfortruth says:
  26. gmanfortruth says:
  27. One thing very interesting,,,and if I had the time and the inclination to go look for it I would …..but I believe that Mathoius said, one time when it involved Obama, you respect the position…the Presidency, even if you hate Obama. ( To this, I mightliy agreed ). Today, even the position….is not respected.

    I heard a statement today that I think fits the situation perfectly. Washington does notsuffer from Trump….it suffers from “incumbent disease”. Those politicians and deep state people that have been a lifetime in Washington and do not like an outsider coming in. They will destroy anyone who does not play the game….at any cost….people be damned. I now firmly believe this is the situation. It is not Trump….but what he stands for…..he stands for the threat of exposing the truth of Washington. Anything to destroy him…or anyone who thinks like him…is the mantra. That is also why you do not see any of the newbies to Congress getting even an assisstant position on any committee.

    That is why Lieberman is now getting pushback from the Dems and the Repubs……it is corrupt and has nothing to do with the country at all…..

    • Just A Citizen says:

      d13

      It is PARTLY due to Trump and his personality. His policies, many of them, are closer to the left than the right, so they can’t find him the devil incarnate for that. It is his “uncouth” behavior and atrocious way of speaking. And then there is the bragging and lying, which I consider simply Grand Bragging.

      It is true that any other more “civilized” and “mainstream” OUTSIDER would still be getting hammered. I just think it would be more subtle. Leaks for sure, agencies stonewalling absolutely. Just not the vile attitude from the Press. Probably just pitty and ridicule.

      A good indicator, if this were the olden days, was how Carter was treated. He was an outsider in his day. Then Reagan. People forget that they were both pushed against by the entrenched establishment.

  28. Sir Mathius……please take the time to give me YOUR definition of Progressive Party.

  29. What a breath pf fresh air…..Trump walks off plane in Saudi Arabia…no bows, no scraping…a firm handshake looking Prince A boo boo in the eye. His wife walks off the plane with him….in slacks, no head scarf and looks at Prince A Boo Boo in the eye. No ceremonial bullshit…just straight forward, here I am.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Very different from Obama. Saudi rolled out the red carpet, made no requests for the women to cover up (in fact said they could dress as they normally would), King Salmon met Trump on the tarmac, shook hands with him AND Melania. Respect has a way of showing itself.

    • Arabian horses escorting The Beast to the palace. King Salman rode in the car with Trump to the palace. American flags all over the place. In my Biden voice: Its a big f’n deal.

  30. Going to share this as it started going around yesterday. The screenshot is from a secure chat site called Gliph. Take with a grain of salt as normal:

          • gmanfortruth says:

            Third Estate Newsgroup’s Contributing Editor Micah Bull made contact with “FreshCamel” late Wednesday night via an encrypted email service, and this individual confirmed that he had accessed the personal computer of an employee at the FBI sometime around April 24th. This access had been obtained through a falsified “phishing” email that installed spyware on this employee’s computer when opened. “FreshCamel” declined to identify this individual for the time being, but confirmed that he or she is a higher-level employee in the Bureau.

            According to “FreshCamel,” this individual’s computer is used to join a secured chat channel on Gliph approximately four times per week for exactly 45 minutes each session. Activity has increased in recent days, “FreshCamel” confirmed. For weeks, “FreshCamel” casually monitored these chats without realizing what they were, but when a topic of discussion in Wednesday’s chat became a major news story in the United States just hours after the chat was closed, he decided to seek help.

            http://thirdestatenewsgroup.com/exclusive-a-look-inside-the-chat-room-the-deep-state-uses-to-fight-trump/

            This is the original story.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Campaign season 2018, Special Counsel puts out report in late September, early October. The end of Liberal credibility. Bye Bye, told ya so. 😀

      • While I do think that the Special Counsel will not find anything to prosecute except maybe Flynn, I do not have any confidence that the Repubs will have the brains to exploit the situation. They are notorious for pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. The Rinos already do not support Trump. They will continue to fight Trump and slow his agenda which ultimately will hurt the party. We need to rid ourselves of these folks.

        I am coming to the conclusion that we need a 100% turnover in 2018. All incumbents should be removed from office. Too bad that will only get 1/3 of the Senate.

        The press will not be phased by a finding of no collusion. They will just pivot to the next made up scandal and will not take a introspective look at their own performance. The best thing that could happen is that we the people stop buying their product. Let the NYT, WaPo, LAT, MSNBC, CNN and other go bankrupt.

  31. Just a wild thought. Could they impeach (indict) the president and then hold the trial behind closed doors claiming all the evidence involves national security?

  32. Just A Citizen says:

    xxxxxx

  33. Just A Citizen says:

    The Chinese killed off at least a dozen US informants from 2010 to 2012. The CIA has still NOT figured out how they found out who was informing. Theories still abound with no definitive conclusion, 5 years later.

    Same CIA we are told knows exactly who hacked the DNC, what they took and why. Same CIA that absolutely had proof that China hacked other agency data bases.

    Me thinks the intelligence agencies are not as intelligent as they want us to believe.

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    d13thecolonel

    Bwahaahhahahaha

    • Well, it is about time you decided to catch up to us…..but you still have some work to do….

      “The income tax rate ranges from 1.6 to 7.4 percent on Idaho taxable income. Individual income tax is graduated so higher earnings are taxed at a higher rate.” YOU NEED TO GET RID OF THIS.

      At least you are a right to work state…..this is good !!!! No, it is GREAT !!!!

      Idaho’s corporate income tax system consists of a flat rate of 7.4%. That rate ranks 19th highest among states levying a corporate income tax. YOU NEED TO GET RID OF THIS AS WELL.

      Texas has no corporate income tax at the state level.

      Now…on to some of the other items…..Idaho is, indeed, a beautiful state. However, we eat beef….not trout. AND, you are very important to us because of the amount of “tissue” paper you put out..and I am sure that significant quantities of that goes to Washington DC…..( see I actually saw the entire movie you posted ).

      You are doing well in your legislature with a balanced budget and NO deficit. Very good. Now, put that in your state Consitution as a requirement.

      I do not know, nor have I ever heard of, Lucky Buns….but it is a neat concept. I did, however, notice some mountains with snow on them…..I would have to think really hard about that. I like to visit mountains with snow and ski upon them and then leave for warmer environs…..

      BUT…….you are well on your way to greatness…and Idaho, indeed, has great things to brag about and you should…..however, beware……you are very close to Oregon and California. There are contagious diseases out there………

      • I think it is absolutely unfair that states like TX & ID are allowed to poach businesses from CA by using favorable tax codes and regulations. There should be a federal law outlawing such predatory practices. We have both trout and beef plus all the lettuce you could want. Sunshine, surf, forests and snow too. So what if our road are terrible, our energy prices sky and rising, no water or too much water, and a surplus of liberal lunatics. We should impose the Kalifornia model on the rest of the country. It is only fair.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13

        You make the usual Texican mistake. You see Idaho has ALWAYS been this way. We did not have to decide to change.

        What has changed in the move of different type companies to the State, creating more diversity. For those that do not know, the “Magic Valley” is a very long and wide valley which has the Snake River running along it. It included the cities of Twin Falls and the Boise/Nampa/Caldwell metro area.

        And it seems companies do not mind the corp tax rate and citizens do not mind the multi layered income tax. At least not until recently. Because the Republicans have started taxing all kinds of other stuff, raising the total tax burden. Which shows you that the income tax is not a killer in itself. It is the “effective rates” that matter.

        Will have to look at Total Tax of Idaho vs. other States.

        And let me remind you that Idaho did not fall for that “come join the Union” crapolla you Texicans fell for………TWICE. We held out for as long as we could.

        The irony of the Idaho business success is that in the 70’s it was still known as the most beautiful State in the Union where you could starve to death while being fully employed.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Poor Texicans, paying so much in taxes.

        https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494/

        Now to be fair and balanced. I have some serious questions about how they calculated the “percentage of personal income” for each category.

        Notice Montana’s property taxes are closer to Texas than to Idaho. Despite the massive increase in real estate values here. You see, in many towns when the values increase they decrease the mill levy to allow only a small growth in tax revenue. Plus you get the first 60% of your personal home value deducted from the appraised value, with an upper limit on the deduction. Idaho also gives a 50K income deduction for Federal Employees on full retirement.

        And, we do not tax the money paid to the Federal Income tax. It is a deduction just like State taxes are on the itemized Federal Return.

        • Yes sir…….we do have a high property tax rate….and we do not necessarily like it…as I pay school taxes without children in school. We also have a fairly high sales tax….but the belief here, is that everyone has skin in the game. No one is exempt and that is down to the lowest income earner….we do not like free rides, even though there are still some available but not state money. Everyone should have skin in the game…..but we do not like progressive taxation at all and believe that just because you make more does not mean you need to pay more.

          We have high fees for several things but they are user fees. If you do not want it, do not buy it. If you want to go to a camp ground, you will pay a fee. We prefer to be a pay as you go state, consequently, some fees are higher than adjoining states BUT, it is a choice. You can either do what you want and pay the fee or not.

          I will, however, grant you that the best trout fishing I ever did was a float trip on the South Snake ( never been north for the steelhead ) using dry fly for Brown Trout. THAT was fun. My late dad loved fly fishing. Being a bass fisherman myself, I did not do any fly fishing until I came back from Vietnam in the 70’s and we floated the Snake, Idaho, and the Green in Wyoming. Then I got hooked ( pardon the expression ) on dry fly and learned it pretty well….my largest Brown was about 20 inches and around five pounds…it took me the better part of an hour to land him as we were only on 3 pound test, if I remember correctly. I love to catch and release crappie on a three pound test….I like the fight. The problem here, though, is our rivers have what is called alligator gar. Someone had the bright idea that alligator gar is a great combat to Asian Carp. Well, they are but they are also prolific and go after everything. We do not see many of them in the lakes but the rivers have them….very aggressive and will attack a fish caught on a line before you can get them in. Very sharp teeth…..if you fish the rivers here, consider wire leaders.

          Anyway, hang in there JAC. States like Idaho and Texas may lead the way. One thing…..be thankful you are not a border state…..however, you do deal with the West Coast….probably not much difference. I have warned T Ray once again……but, alas, he may already be infected with the California Zombie madness.

          Now, make no mistake, Texas fell for the “join the union” crappola BUT did manage to do it with some preservation issues and we do not deal with the BLM very much, even though they try. We have had our share of detractors….and had some Liberal governors ( Ann Richards being the last )…..We had a hard time rebounding from Yankee Carpetbaggers but have managed….we still have some carpetbagger remnants….but we do keep them around for target practice.

          But isn’t it interesting to see the differing opinons and beliefs on taxes and entitlement issues by state.

          • AND…we do have Thor’s Hammer cruising the coast line.

          • You always have stories about Texas, so I have no idea why this particular story triggered my memory enough to have me typing this right now, and it doesn’t even have anything to do with anything but my own personal memories, but here goes…

            I was visiting my sister in Houston in 1981 when Reagan was shot. Her (ex) husband was a cop there, so by nature he was a suspicious type and overhyped the shooting…worried that all hell would break out in the US over that event. He cut short our fun, he was so worried about our safety, and since he was working most of the time I was there, he couldn’t physically protect us. Whatever!. We did manage to get a day in playing around in the Gulf at Galveston, and I was able to see my first musical, The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. I had a ticket to go on to Florida from Houston, to visit my grandma. The night before I left, we got a call from home saying my mom was in a terrible car accident. All I wanted to do was go home, but nobody would let me… I had to go comfort Grandma, since she was alone in Florida. I was heartbroken, but I took one for the team. It really sucked because Grandma spent her time being a soldier for me, so I wouldn’t be worried, plus I missed all the fun of my family’s shinanigans in the hospital with my mom, who had a baseball seam stitch wound on her scalp. My family dressed her in a clown wig and red nose as a disguise for the baseball seam. I just got to see the pics. Drat! Mom was a trooper though. Bigger bummer was it was a court baliff that hit her on the highway, on his 4th drunk driving offense, whose buddies got him a very light sentence, probation if I recall. So the whole trip kind of sucked. The End.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            d13thecolonel

            You do have a coastline and we do not. Lots of rivers and lakes but no ocean.

            Yes, it is interesting looking at taxes by state. We are bordered by two States with no sales tax. Yest refuse to give ours up.

            There was a good move to eliminate property tax, which is the biggest tax on businesses by the way, but then all the outsiders started driving up real estate prices and buying second and third homes. Property tax is the only way to get them to pay towards the infrastructure and schools, because they are not residents.

            Then it became cheaper for many to live here. Now they commute to California and other places to work.

            Idaho has a minimum flat tax of $10.00 for EVERYONE. Including those who file but show no taxes due. I also forgot, our Constitution requires a balanced budget. We also often have a “cash reserve” held for emergencies, like the last recession.

            We also have user fees, on almost everything. Cars, boats, hunting and fishing, parking in a state or county parking spot, parks and recreation stickers, stickers to launch a boat (state, country and city). I spend almost two days each spring gathering up all the “user fee” stickers and permits I need for the year. These fees used to be included in our “income tax”, vehicle registration and hunting/fishing license fees.

            Idaho loves to brag about it’s low taxes but in my view they are far higher than they should be. We have a heard of Republicans up here that love to spend money. Just enough of the “fiscally conservative” types to keep them in check most of the time.

            You do have us one one very BIG account. Because we held out on that “union” thangy, we got stuck with a massive amount of federal land. If Congress would just fix the laws to allow some commercial uses, like they used to have, there would be no controversy. The vast majority of us like the Federal Land because it remains wide open space. But the more the Feds close it down the more the cries for turning it over to the State.

  35. gmanfortruth says:
    • gmanfortruth says:

      http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

      A manager of the Washington, D.C., bar where Democratic National Committee worker Seth Rich was last spotted hours before he was shot and killed last summer told WND that D.C. police officers never interviewed the bar’s staff or requested any evidence from the bar, including the bar’s surveillance video from that night, as part of an investigation into Rich’s murder.

      The revelation backs up a claim made by a private investigator who worked on the case who said D.C. police were told to “stand down” on the investigation.

      WND also can report that the investigator recently was ordered to “cease and desist” his work on the murder case.

      “The police never asked for the surveillance video from that night,” a manager of Lou’s City Bar told WND.

      NOTE: With seemingly endless news sources that are untrustworthy, especially the MSM, I’m going to be posting links from sites that should fit right in 😀 As with anything from the media, take with grain of salt. After all, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in awhile.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    SCOTUS strikes down two Congressional Districts in N. Carolina for being “racially based”. Putting that issue aside, I find the following by Justice Kagan both very interesting and disturbing.

    “”The Constitution entrusts states with the job of designing congressional districts,” Justice Elena Kagan wrote for the majority. “But it also imposes an important constraint: A state may not use race as the predominant factor in drawing district lines unless it has a compelling reason.””

    You see it does not “entrust”, it grants outright authority over rules for Congressional elections to the State. It was the Court that TOOK this authority away for ITSELF. Notice that Congress never gets involved in this issue. ONLY THE COURT.

    There is not a distinction of the authority in the Constitution for any reason. This “constraint” comes from the Amendment requiring all privileges and immunites be the same between states.

    The Court took on this authority under cover of the Civil Rights ACT, not the Constitution. AT least not literally.

    Now think back to my comment on the irony of using race in gerrymandering. The two Districts that were struck down were drawn to give them a MAJORITY Black population. The lawyers claiming “racism” in this think they won by overturning these two districts. As the State AG said, they are stuck between a rock and hard place. If they do not draw lines to “assure” Blacks are represented they are racists. If they draw them to do so they are racists.

    What the real problem is, is that the Republicans benefited from creating a majority Black District. This reduced the “proportion” of hard core Democratic voters in the remaining districts. If the Black population was so hard core Democratic Party line voters this issue would not really exist. Because the Democratic Party wouldn’t be helping fight these gerrymandering issues.

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    This is how you keep NEGATIVE things in the news while trying to look “fair” or unbiased. Note the headlines, the lead and most of the discussion is about “bowing”. Only at the end do we get the idea the anchor is viewing this as stupid. But she doesn’t say it herself. She lets her guest say it.

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/05/21/trump-slammed-hypocrite-bowing-saudi-king-smith-nr.cnn

    Along similar lines, I saw yesterday that CNN was reporting that “Trump is exhausted” by his trip. Apparently a White House staffer made this comment in response to a question about why Mr. Trump used the word Islamist instead of Islamic when referring to radical terrorists.

    This garnered not only news coverage but editorials as well. Another SELF INFLICTED wound by the White House. Also evidence of the over blown negative coverage.

      • I actually believe their viewership has gone through the roof, that and the MSNBC crowd. There are two excellent reasons. #1The anti-Trump forces just cannot get enough “reinforcement” of their belief system and have to be reassured each and every day that the Prez is a threat to the known galaxy. # 2, they dumped O’Reilly. Blowhard or not, the guy had a major following of people who found his style to their liking. I, as a known right-wing-extremist, may have gotten annoyed when he gave a “pass” to some obvious BS but most folks, moderate right to centrist liked the fact he did not crawl down their throats to rip their hearts out (loud sigh!).

        The way they fired him left a lot to be desired too.

        Instead of going with “the Five” at 9, I think they should have left Tucker in place (he is an acquired taste) and hired/tried out Laura Ingram. How about having “suspended” O’Reilly till investigations were completed. Just because you have been intimidated into paying does not necessarily mean you are guilty and the two ladies who publicly came forward and said they were harassed by Bill’s comments on their attire or looks, are way too sensitive. They have to understand Bill is OLD, VERY OLD, like me, he appreciates an attractive woman and might just say so because he was raised in an era when it was a complement for a young man to tell a young lady so. Now, of course you cannot leer. Or salivate. At last publicly.

        • You cannot even hold a door open…

        • Maybe I’m off here but I thought Fox did conduct its own investigation and decided “yep – no bueno here”? Is that not the case? I’d guess he was under contract of some sorts and the actions taken were compliant with the requirements of his contract.

          And remember – we’re now in the Universe of thinking that a compliment on appearance is considered taboo / offensive. Yet a “grab by the girlie-parts” is mere locker room chatter. Confusing.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Ray

            You are correct. They had the same legal team that handled the Ailes situation do the investigation. Obviously something was there. But it is also true that two Sons partly brought this on by settling out of court on other cases. Daddy told them it would cause more litigation, and it did.

            Fox is also now being accused of “racial” issues by one of their key reporters. Either something was wrong with their corporate culture or they have a bunch of primadonnas working there.

  38. I told my son, ” you will marry the girl I choose!”

    He said, “No.”

    I told him, “she is Bill Gates daughter.”

    He said, “yes.”

    I called Bill Gates and said, ” I want your daughter to marry my son. ”

    Bill Gates said NO….

    I told Bill GAtes, “my son is the CEO of the World Bank.”

    Bill GAtes said, “YES.”

    I called the President of the World Bank and asked him to make my son the CEO.

    He said NO.

    I told him, ” my son is Bill Gates son-in-law!”

    He said YES….

    This, folks, is exactly how politics works in the real world.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

  40. gmanfortruth says:

    Roger Ailes, The Father of Fox News, passed away last week at the age of 77 which was caused by complications from a fall he suffered days before. Ailes battled from hemophelia since he was a child.

    Ailes developed the network scratch and built it into the most watched cable news network featuring conservative stars like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly.

    He departed the network earlier this year after some allegations about his conduct with some of the networks female anchors and employees. None of these rumors have been substantiated or proven true in the court of law.

    At Ailes funeral this weekend, his son Zachary shared some words about his father, and issued a stark warning to all of those who betrayed his father, according to Lifezete:

    “I want all the people who betrayed my father to know that I’m coming after them,” Zachary Ailes said during a speech at the ceremony, “and hell is coming with me.”

    Zachary, 17, is the only child of Roger Ailes and is expected to inherit a large portion of the Fox News empire.

    Read more at http://trumptrainnews.com/articles/son-of-deceased-fox-news-mastermind-delivers-message-for-those-who-betrayed-him-at-funeral#jz8i1GbtJrP2743y.99

  41. Mathius says:

    Re: Flynn

    Exercising your 5th Amendment rights is NOT an admission of guilt. Nor should be treated as such by your political opponents.

    That is all. Carry on.

    • You are correct, sir, it is not an admission of guilt.

      Pleading the Fifth is a colloquial term for invoking the privilege that allows a witness to decline to answer questions that might incriminate him or her, without penalty or it counting against him or her. It is a defense of self incrimination.

      A rose, by any other name,,,,,is still a rose.

      • It depends I think on the witch hunt. I am reminded about both Scooter Libby and Martha Stewart who both went to jail not for what they were investigated for but because they said other things that may have been untrue. Gotcha! is the catchword of the day.

        Now the current allegation against Flynn seems to have moved away from Russia. Like “Global Warming” which became “Climate Change” when the facts didn’t mesh, Flynn’s dealings with the Russians have now become taking money from the Turks-Russians for services rendered. Notice Russia has faded. Of course what the Turk thing has to do with Trump, God only knows.

        However if an active duty General takes bribes from a foreign power to prevent troop movements, then jail is not the answer, a ROPE is.

        • Mathius says:

          I would never – ever – speak to a police officer or any other investigative body, under oath or otherwise – more than the absolutely barest legally mandated minimum (name, rank, and serial number) – if there is even the remotest possibility of it coming back on me.

          I mean, a speeding ticket, sure, I’ll try to schmooze my way out of it. But if it were something serious/real like my old brother getting (deservedly) beaten into a coma on the other side of the country? I wouldn’t even open my door for the police.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13thecolonel

        It is a defense of self incrimination.

        Here, let me fix that for ya: It is a defense against self incrimination.

        Your welcome. 🙂

        • Canine Weapon says:

          Just A Citizen,

          Your welcome. 🙂

          Here, let me fix that for ya: You’re welcome. 🙂

          You’re welcome. 🙂

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Stupid dog. Can’t you understand Western language??

            Do you need an interpreter??

            Yer welcome.

            • Yer welcome Ya’ll……………………….YA’LL you left out the ya’ll…..will ya’ll ever learn?

              • Canine Weapon says:

                Y’all’re welcome!

                —————

                Risqué joke ahoy!

                —————

                A baby whale turns to his father and asked, “daddy, where do babies come from?”

                The father whale turns back and says, “well, you see, when a daddy whale and a mommy whale love each other very much, they do a special dance, and the daddy gives the mommy some special stuff and she turns it into a baby.”

                The baby whale, taking it all in, replies, “ok, thanks…”

                The father whale nods. “you’re whalecum.”

                —————

                Yea, yea, I know.. sensitivity training..

  42. Canine Weapon says:

    Re Manchester:

    • I am sure this sign will stop them…..

      Someone please answer me a couple of questions. I will confess that I may be looking at things realistically and not normal….so cut me some slack here.

      First, why is everyone shocked that there has been a suicide bomber at a concert? In today’s world, as a spectator, why would you not expect it? I go to Texas Ranger baseball games and I expect it.

      Second, Why do people panic when it does happen? Where are you going to run to? Why are you running over people in your way and trampling them to death? Why don;t you just lay down and protect yourself until you get a handle on what is going on and then react?

      Third, why are people being interviewed making statements like, ” How could it happen here?” or ” I don’t understand this.” And then crying as if they lost their pet airdale. ( unless of course they did lose their pet airdale ).

      Does the world really not know that it is unsafe? That you are a target wherever you go? Isis has claimed responsiblity and they are everywhere…..EVERYWHERE…..I do not get it. Pull up your sissy pants and get a grip and get in the damn game.

      *** No, Mathius, I have not had a Dr Pepper yet and I am off my meds. I really am sick and tired of the pamby namby society.

      • Mathius says:

        Alright, I have real work to do today, so this is all the SUFA time I’m allotting myself. If you see me on here, you are instructed to… well, I don’t know what you can do, but you are free to do it anyway.

        ———————–

        First, why is everyone shocked that there has been a suicide bomber at a concert? In today’s world, as a spectator, why would you not expect it? I go to Texas Ranger baseball games and I expect it.

        They shouldn’t be “shocked.” No one should be shocked. It’s not shocking anymore that there are people like this out there.

        That said, what some of the “shock” factor comes from is that, as I understand it, the concert was highly populated by minors. That is, the singer’s fan base are young teens. So, therefore, the target of this attack was (generally) children. Rather than your “standard assholes killing people,” this was closer to “extra special assholes targeting kids.” So, more on par with blowing up a school than a Simon & Garfunkel concert.

        Second, Why do people panic when it does happen? Where are you going to run to? Why are you running over people in your way and trampling them to death? Why don;t you just lay down and protect yourself until you get a handle on what is going on and then react?

        Because people are panicky idiots?

        Actually, this goes back to my theory that terrorists are terrible at their jobs. Were I to orchestrate something like this, I’d set off my first bomb, then when everyone herds themselves into a narrow stampede, or gathers near first responders, that’s when I’d have the second wave go off. So, I guess, it makes sense to get as far away as possible as quickly as possible in case there’s more to come?

        Third, why are people being interviewed making statements like, ” How could it happen here?” or ” I don’t understand this.” And then crying as if they lost their pet airdale. ( unless of course they did lose their pet airdale ).

        Because people are dumb?

        We are all – all – spectacularly vulnerable at all times. If the terrorists were good at their jobs, the world would be an absolute shit-show, the middle east would be a sea of glass, and / or, we would start taking serious precautions (as opposed to the ones we do now which are just for show).

        Even you, Colonel, are easy pickings. Why, there could be a co-opted raptor looking at you through a scope from 800m right… now…

        Does the world really not know that it is unsafe? That you are a target wherever you go? Isis has claimed responsiblity and they are everywhere…..EVERYWHERE…..I do not get it. Pull up your sissy pants and get a grip and get in the damn game.

        No.

        They don’t know.

        They are idiots. Metaphorical ostriches with their collected heads buried in the ground up their own asses.

        They choose to believe the easy and comfortable lie rather than the hard and uncomfortable truth: the world is, as you say, unsafe.

        People don’t want to live their lives knowing the Sword of Damacles is hanging above their heads. They’d rather just pretend it doesn’t exist. And, of course, in so doing, they blind themselves to actions which might help mitigate the risk, making it all that much more likely that the sword does fall.

        Of course, with all that said, terrorism is a rounding error in terms of risk factors. The real threats: heart disease, cancer, driving, raptor attacks, stroke, etc. They’re ignored. We’ve blotted them out of our collective consciousnesses so that we can function from day to day without thinking about the constant and impending threat of horrible death and dismemberment. Maybe it’s for the best?

        But humans are terrible at evaluating risk. It’s the shiny, attention-grabbing anomalies that we fear: sharks, spiders, lightning, quick sand, and, of course, terrorism. The day-to-day real threats… well, we just shrug them off.

        I am, of course, orders of magnitude more likely to die everyday on my commute to work than I am at the hands of a terrorist. But if I had to think about that threat every time I turned the key in my ignition, I’d probably never leave the house (or I’d drive an Abrams..).

        *** No, Mathius, I have not had a Dr Pepper yet and I am off my meds. I really am sick and tired of the pamby namby society.

        Drink up, my friend.

        I am with you on this one.

  43. Welcome to 2017…..after 8 years of nothing this is what we have.

    Our phones are wireless, Cooking is fireless, cars are keyless, food is fatless, tires are tubeless, dress is sleeveless, our youth are jobless, and our leaders are shameless. Relationships are meaningless, Attitudes are careless, babies are fatherless, and feelings are heartless. Education is valueless, children are mostly mannerless, and the country is becoming godless.

    WE are speechless, Congress is clueless, and our courts are lawless…and WE are scared shitless.

    That about sums is up….except to say, that a person wearing a helmet that protects our country should make more than a man wearing a helmet playing football.

  44. WAIT…..I cannot leave this one out…..from Mr. Ronald Reagan:

    Socialists can provide you shelter, fill your belly with bacon and beans, treaat you when you are ill….all the things guaranteed to a prisoner or slave.

    Then think about this….isn’t America great? Only in America can politicians talk about the greed of the rich at a $35,000 per plate campaign fund raiser.

  45. Ahhhh Director Brennan has SEEN something! What, one may ask?

  46. Just A Citizen says:

    Question. Why didn’t the owner open the door and tell them to SKAT or GIT??? With a broom in hand swinging wildly at the culprits.

    http://www.sunherald.com/news/local/crime/article151990457.html

    • It’s against the law to have sex on a deck? What is this world coming to?………………..

      • Just A Citizen says:

        d13thecolonel

        Apparently not. They charged them win “indecent exposure”. I guess they should have kept their clothes on.

        What do you want to bet that people have been sneaking onto that bar deck for some time and the owner just now caught somebody. Darn summer hours, all that extended daylight. They probably lost track of the time.

  47. Just A Citizen says:

    Oh boy, laughing so hard I choked on the coffee once again. I say, LET THEM PASS IT. I also say, STOP giving them Federal funds to pay for it. Then we will see how it really works. If California is the sixth largest economy in the world they should be able to handle it on their own.

    There are other key points in this “clip” from a Sac. Bee story. Lets see how many of you pick up on the fallacy used to make it look palatable to the readers.

    “BY ANGELA HART, Sacramento Bee”

    The price tag is in: It would cost $400 billion to remake California’s health insurance marketplace and create a publicly funded universal heath care system, according to a state financial analysis released Monday.

    California would have to find an additional $200 billion per year, including in new tax revenues, to create a so-called “single-payer” system, the analysis by the Senate Appropriations Committee found. The estimate assumes the state would retain the existing $200 billion in local, state and federal funding it currently receives to offset the total $400 billion price tag.

    The cost analysis is seen as the biggest hurdle to creating a universal system, proposed by Sens. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, and Toni Atkins, D-San Diego.

    It remains a long-shot bid. Steep projected costs have derailed efforts over the past two decades to establish such a health care system in California. The cost is higher than the $180 billion in proposed general fund and special fund spending for the budget year beginning July 1.

    Employers currently spend between $100 billion to $150 billion per year, which could be available to help offset total costs, according to the analysis. Under that scenario, total new spending to implement the system would be between $50 billion and $100 billion per year. HINT, HINT, IT MIGHT BE IN THIS PARAGRAPH. 🙂

    “Health care spending is growing faster than the overall economy … yet we do not have better health outcomes and we cover fewer people,” Lara said at Monday’s appropriations hearing. “Given this picture of increasing costs, health care inefficiencies and the uncertainty created by Congress, it is critical that California chart our own path.”

    The idea behind Senate Bill 562 is to overhaul California’s insurance marketplace, reduce overall health care costs and expand coverage to everyone in the state regardless of immigration status or ability to pay. Instead of private insurers, state government would be the “single payer” for everyone’s health care through a new payroll taxing structure, similar to the way Medicare operates.

    Lara and Atkins say they are driven by the belief that health care is a human right and should be guaranteed to everyone, similar to public services like safe roads and clean drinking water. They seek to rein in rising health care costs by lowering administrative expenses, reducing expensive emergency room visits, and eliminating insurance company profits and executive salaries.

    • Interesting perspective on health care…….I went to a civilian hospital because the VA could not do it for another 8 months……it was a day surgery with no meals and no overnight stay. Went in at 0700 and went home at 1130…..4.5 hours.

      Just saw the bills…… $21,000 and change. No emergency room. This was a simple umbilical hernia operation that under the government run VA system would not have happened for 8 months. Glad I did not have to wait on the government.

  48. Wondering what the Pope is going to have to say today in Rome. Bridges not walls, again? The night after a terror attack? I hope Trump ‘wins’ there too, like he has on the other stops of his trip. Like maybe…break out the measuring tape and measure the wall the pope lives behind.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      That would be great and I would laugh all day if he pulled that one. I have another question. Why do American Presidents seem so hung up on visiting the Pope?

      Hell, he almost never represents the true beliefs of those Americans calling themselves Catholic.

      • I don’t know about the other presidents but Trump is including the three major religions in this trip. Judaism, Islam, Christianity…the pope representing Christianity. He’s trying to disassociate terror from religion. He’s trying to make it simply about the battle between good and evil.

        • ooooo but i did like his line about…something something your life will be empty and your soul will be condemned. That stung!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Anita

          I had not considered that for this particular trip.

          I did hear one pundit a few days back say that every American president’s visit to the Pope creates the appearance of a “win” back home. I don’t agree but I found that interesting. If that is how politicians view it then are they not just using the Pope as a photo op?

  49. Just A Citizen says:

    ANITA
    This my dear is mostly for you. Since I have been so hard on your guy from the git go. I am sure there are a couple others who will enjoy it. Especially Mathius…..who should remember that sometimes substance over form matters.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/05/forget_what_you_hear_our_narcissist_president_is_winning.html

    • Bout time! But a big thing about Trump, and what gets me about why people don’t like him… There’s no ulterior motive except to MAGA. There are no hidden intentions. That’s why nothing sticks. He’s not looking to advance his political career, and he can use exactly that AGAINST his opponents, because that is their motive.

      • Something else that all you deep thinkers need to think about…

        Yeah yeah, Trump is a big talker. Fine. Just keep in mind the old saying…something about the spirit of the word instead of the letter of the word. Would make the next 8 ( 🙂 ) years easier to swallow.

        • oops…I think I stepped on you here JAC….I think I said the same thing, I think.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Anita

            Not exactly, but it is related.

            Don’t mistake my posting this for you as me supporting all that is Mr. Trump.

            Frankly, I find some of his “supposed” accomplishments a bit empty at this moment. This being the many Executive Orders which in and of themselves do little. Which is why, Mathius, I have not criticized him for the number of EO’s after criticizing Mr. Obama. The former POTUS actually was making or changing laws with his. Which is why he kept losing with SCOTUS.

            Time will tell but I am betting he gets kneecapped by the establishment over most of his proposals.

            My biggest complaint so far is the tendency I see for him to need to claim victory, even if he is losing. I offer up the health care debacle as my evidence. I expected him to notify Congress of his key requirements and then threaten to veto anything that didn’t comply. I did not and do not support his view of health care, but it was HIS after all. I expected to see him fight more strongly and openly to get what he wanted. Instead it looks like he simply tried to claim credit for what was handed to him by a bunch of slimy Progressive Republicans. Or should I say “simply gutless Republicans”. People who do not need a jock strap to go jogging. Gonna love that one for a long time. 🙂

  50. Just A Citizen says:

    So, Mr. Brennan testifies that he saw that there was “contact” between Mr. Trump’s people and Russian “officials” during the campaign. That he did not see the nature of these communication, at least not enough to determine if there was collusion or coordination but he felt and “investigation by the FBI” was warranted.

    I go back to the comments by the Clinton supporting lawyer who asked, “what crime is being invetigated”??

    Why would an investigation be warranted by the FBI if the CIA or NSA did not see any comments indicating a crime had occurred? And Mr. Brennan has in effect admitted no such potential crime was evidenced by the “contacts” he saw.

    And anyone believing he did not see the full content of the discussion between Russians and Mr. Trump’s people should look for El Dorado.

  51. I wonder how a bomber, with a bomb full of nuts and bolts, got past Manchester security. Hmmmmm.

  52. DPM……saw the Hammer in dry dock…..torpedo tubes on a fast galleon?

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      I was kind enough to refrain from firing on your position while you army crawled through all the barbed wire and scaled the 28′ security fence around the dry dock. And you repay me by blabbering on the internet about my weapons systems?

  53. Trump puts out a budget….the first one in eight years….and the elite lined up and denounces it.

  54. Just A Citizen says:

    Just had an idea while ripping on the recent SCOTUS ruling over gerrymandering.

    How about Congressional and State rep. districts that have no geographical boundaries.

    Instead, allocate seats to the various “Registered” political parties in the State. The total number of seats for each party are based on the “VALIDATED” voter registration roles at time of the Redistricting process. Or the census year.

    Oh, and eliminate counting NON CITIZENS in the allocation of Congressional seats.

  55. A little food for thought…..Common sense is not a gift…..it is a punishment. It is a punishment because you have to deal with everyone who doesn’t have it.

  56. One to go to bed on……..They call it a “selfie” because “narcissistie” is just to hard to spell.

  57. gmanfortruth says:

    ‘People Could Go To Jail’: OAN Reports WH Leakers Identified, Trump Set To Fire Three Staffers

    http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56785

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