Democrat’s New Message

“Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages.”

So where was this message the last 8 years ?

Too bad Papa John’s beat them to the punch.

How can anyone take this shit seriously?

This may go down in history as the most disingenuous political slogan OF ALL TIME!

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  1. gmanfortruth says:


    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Well then the public schools have to change and stop teaching to the lowest common denominator. Then colleges and universities have to stop worrying about “group think” and diversity which then in turn opposes any thought that differs from theirs and safe places against micro aggression.
      When businesses like Google are dipping into the older generation of workers that companies unwisely retired to take advantage of the bubble that hit the workforce in the early 2000’s. Those university trained people are altogether in to many cases not skilled enought to handle the world we live in. Community colleges made a major error, admitted the other year, that they had eliminated so many curricula that taught trades, Not programs that require major debt to fund in further studies at a university, but then can be outsourced because the business can actually be done elsewhere via the newest technologies. Government must stop the visas that wholesale replace US workers with those of a foreign country, like Disney did. We used to have to jump through major hoops to get a foreign worker a visa for a job that we had to prove could not be done with current skills in the US…..we have to match the other countries work visa policies. Try getting a job of any significance in the EU. Shit jobs like the migrants may take are not the discussion. I mean good jobs. The EU and individual countries alway were ane are (in house first the country wide then EU wide) if all else fails then they can dip into other countries like the US…..

  2. gmanfortruth says:

    Sadly, reality has taken a backseat to stupid.

  3. Mathius says:

    Is it really any worse than “Make America Great Again!”?

    Seems to me that banal bumper sticker sloganeering is a mindless and meaningless exercise in marketing to the politically-ignorant masses.

    • uh, that’s who the crowd they’re trying to reach IS. They don’t come up with those slogans for people like us.

      In this particular case, making everything better is a slam on their own side, since Yes, We Can turned into No We Didn’t just a few months ago.

      I wasn’t thrilled with Make America Great Again at first, but it sure became versatile with all the other subjects that could replace Great…Strong, Wealthy, Safe. Not to mention it went worldwide by substituting another country’s name. Plus, Trump was able to pull off his slogan so well because he’s an older guy who remembers the time when we weren’t such a pushover of a country. He made people ‘think’ (as in actually think as opposed to just being told to “think this way”) that we don’t win anymore, we’re not wealthy anymore, we’re def not safe anymore…all that. You know, back in ye olden times, when things were SIMPLE.

      • Mathius says:

        You know, back in ye olden times, when things were SIMPLE.

        Those times never existed.

        ::whistles the Andy Griffith theme::

        • I put that in there just for you, since we’ve been through that scene several times.

          • Mathius says:

            It will have been worth it to me if I have managed to get the Andy Griffith theme song stuck in your head.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      This one by the Dems is just that, teaching out to the mindless, naive snowflakes who believe that Democrats can be successful, when they have just proven the opposite.

      • Mathius says:

        It’s so funny to me that, in liberal circles, I hear the exact same thing… about Republicans.

        It’s almost like both sides think the other side are morons being led around by the nose.

        But, no, no.. I’m sure you’re right and they’re wrong.

    • First thing I thought when I heard it ” better for who “? But then I’m a conservative middle class, Christian woman, with a son.

      It also brought to mind the New Deal from days past.

  4. Mathius says:

    “The benefits of a changing climate are often ignored and under-researched. Our climate is too complex and the consequences of misguided policies too harsh to discount the positive effects of carbon enrichment,”

    -Lamar Smith (R-TX)
    House Science Committee Chairman

    “Carbon enrichment” is a new term to me, but it is very interesting.

    This signals a potential change in Red Shirt messaging on climate change. We’ll have to see if it sticks, but the line seems to be shifting from “nu-uh! It’s fake news!” to “it’s actually a good thing!”

    Ladies and gentlemen, the Red Team may have just officially given up the ghost on denial of global warming.

    But fear not, because they’ll continue to fight efforts by the Blue Team to combat global warming under the banner of shifted goal posts which require proving, not that it’s happening, but that it’s bad on a net-net basis.

    So, nothing has really changed, I guess.

    • Still buying into the red vs blue game, I see. I’ve most definitely come to the conclusion that shirt color is obsolete.

    • Climate change vs. man made climate change

      Immigration vs. illegal immigration.

      There is a difference.

      • If not from us, where is this “carbon enrichment” coming from?

        Have I missed a memo that volcanoes have been significantly more active in the last 100 years than the previous 100,000?

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Yes, you have missed it. Someone here posted a report about a year ago regarding the increased volcanic activity under the oceans. Prior to that I had raised questions here about the contribution of deep ocean volcanic activity and pointed out we, humans, did not have a good grasp of what was happening.

          There has also been a very large area burned around the world the past ten to twenty years. This also produced CO2 among other gases, not to mention ash.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      There are several Rs who have fallen for the climate science fraud.

      However, I think we can all agree to reduce polution of all kinds.

      • However, I think we can all agree to reduce polution of all kinds.

        Hey, look! We agree!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Yes, but CO2 is NOT a pollutant.

          • Says… you.

            The scientific consensus seems to say otherwise.

            • No it does not.

            • gmanfortruth says:

              So tell us how CO2 has been around at higher levels, long before man “caused it”. Pollution would necessarily be caused BY HUMANS. CO@ is not caused by humans, it’s a natural part of earths atmosphere. The “scientific consensus” has long ago been debunked, as they are only a consensus of Liberal’s, which don’t count for crap. 😀

            • Try living without it.

              • Mathius says:

                Try living without it.

                All things in moderation.

                Try living without water, either. You’d be dead within days. But too much water? Well, now it’s a nuisance and you’re dead within minutes.

                Just because something is necessary in a limited quantity doesn’t make it safe in a greater quantity.

                Also, just because something is “natural” doesn’t make it safe in a greater quantity either. My middle school science teacher put it like this: You can be walking along in a natural forest and see a natural mushroom, whereupon you naturally eat it, and wind up naturally dead.


                All that aside, you cannot assert that we’re not dumping massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, right? So, how can you be so damned certain that it’s safe? Let’s say it’s a 10% chance you’re wrong and all those scientists are right. That’s a 10% chance that we are doing something – AVOIDABLE – which will have cataclysmic consequences because the cost of avoiding it is a hit to GDP.

                Does that make sense? Is a hit to GDP worth risking the fate of the human race? Isn’t an abundance of caution warranted here?

              • Meanwhile…..D13 gets in his Lincoln Navigator 8 cylinder 4 wheel drive….flies his plane….sets his thermostat at 75 degrees….and says: Climate Change sucks……then creates his carbon footprint ( whatever that is ) thumbs his nose ( making sure no additives were inadvertantly attached )….cranks up his charcoal grill and goes about his day.

              • gmanfortruth says:

                That’s a 10% chance that we are doing something – AVOIDABLE – which will have cataclysmic consequences

                Strange coming from someone who would cower in fear from a home invader, putting his wife and children in grave danger. Your priorities are really fucked up dude.

              • Back off G, that really crossed the line

            • Just A Citizen says:


              NO! And NO!

              There is NO scientific consensus that C02 is a “pollutant”.

              And per your example, is H2O a pollutant? Even in large quantities?? The answer is NO just in case you had doubts.

              CO2 was declared a “pollutant” because of POLITICAL goals of the last administration and anti OIL people in the EPA. There is NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF SCIENCE supporting its designation as a “pollutant”. NOT EVEN UNDER THE INTENDED LAWS such as Clean Air Act.

              Oh, and in case you haven’t heard, there is NO CONSENSUS on CO2 causing global warming either. You argue here all the time for use of logic and reason. Yet after years of being presented information refuting this Consensus BS you just ignore it and keep repeating the meme.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          I also am against wasting natural resources. In other words, if it’s here and we can use it to prosper, use it. This includes natural gas, oil and coal.

          • Mathius says:

            “We can, so we should”? Consequences (or risk thereof) be damned!

            • gmanfortruth says:

              Yes, we should. The consequences are made up bullshit that I don’t agree with. In fact, I find Liberal Environmentalists as a bigger threat to the planet than the normal use of natural resources.

  5. Can I just share this real quick since I’m totally preoccupied with the fact that I got attacked by bees while mowing yesterday. 4! Count ’em, 4 times they got me. I surprised my own self that I’m more nimble than I thought I was at my age, as I danced around swatting myself and actually running for the first time in I don’t know when. But dammitall! those little bitches hurt then, and i continue to hurt now. That’s all. 😡

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Sorry for your pain. Try Benadryl, it works pretty quick if you have a reaction.

      • Can’t…allergic to it. 😦 . Guess I’ll just have to be a whiner for another day or so. I could still pull out the ancient chinese secret of making a paste from baking soda and water, but that sounds like a lot of work right now 🙂

        • Ouch, did you get the stingers out? Try toothpaste, never tried it but was told it helps.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Come on girl. Thought you were pioneer stock. Just cut em off with an ax blade.

          Or if you take a splitting mall had bang it against your shin you’ll forget about those nasty bites.

          By the way, did you figure out where the nest was? Revenge is sweet, if dished out about midnight when its cool enough they won’t fly when you spray em’. Bwahahahahaha

          • Hahahahaha., nah, I’ll just keep whining. They made a ground nest under a railroad tie just since last week. Nephew did get out there with whatever Raid I had handy, that was around 4pm. They seemed to go into hiding or death. Somebody else can mow near that railroad tie next week. We did all have a pretty good laugh at my expense though.

            • Ammonia, household ammonia. Just put some on a gauze pad and hold it on the bites for a while. Neutralizes the venom. Got nailed by a enormous wasp a few years back. That bump lasted for days and the hole is still there. As a kid I got stung by a honeybee. on the back of my ear. Every year, in the spring, that ear would swell up. Finally about a year into our marriage, Denise started poking around and removed the stinger which was still there. No problem since.


              • Better yet….stay away from stinging critters……down here every one keeps a vase of Aloe Vera cactus handy….break off a piece, put it on the sting and away it goes.

    • Ooooh… etymology!!


      Bees, huh? Probably not bees. Bees are friendly. They just want to make you honey and buzz around happily, helping your garden grow.

      Wasps, on the other hand. Well, wasps are assholes.

      Wasps are evil little bastards who hate with a blind rage.

      Your classic “yellow jacket” is a wasp. When you think of bees, you should think of bumble bees going about their day just trying to pollinate your garden. A key indicator is the narrow waste and less fuzzy bodies (fuzz is necessary to collect pollen, so wasps don’t need it). Also, as a rule of thumb, wasps will chase you down to attack, whereas a bee will leave you alone once you are no longer a threat.

      Once stung by a wasp, you will be “tagged” with a pheromone which attracts other wasps to you to sting. Hiding underwater will not help, either. Your best bet is to get indoors as quickly as possible as they have been known to chase people for up to 100 meters.

      Wasps, bees, and ants are members of the hymenoptera (“membrane wing”) order, commonly known as the “social insects” since they live in groups. It’s odd to me to think that ants should be cousins to bees and wasps, but they are. The more you know!

      When you see a bee, your reaction should be “let me respect his space, and we will all live in peace.” When you see a wasp, your reaction should be to grab the napalm.


      I took out a wasp nest this weekend (about the size of a basketball). Sprayed it from 20-ish feet away with wasp killer. They did not seem to appreciate the experience, but couldn’t figure out where it was coming from. Lucky me. Hopefully they’re all dead by now, so when I go back to hit it with a stick, I don’t end up like you did.

      The right time to spray or smoke a nest is dusk or dawn. Other times of day are ill-advised.

      You can recognize a wasp nest by it’s “paper” texture. If it looks like it’s made out of paper mache, nuke it from orbit. Otherwise, you’re (probably) fine. If you really, really, want to get rid of a bee hive, call in a specialist (many police departments will do it for you) and have the bees relocated. In some cases, people will even pay you for the relocated bees.


      Oh, and just for you, this is what a Japanese Giant Hornet looks like:

      And, no, that’s not trick photography. That’s what they actually look like. Oh, and their venom (of which they have a lot) is described as feeling worse than being shot. For each sting. And they can sting multiple times each without dying. And they usually aren’t alone.

      As you may have guess, they have more than a few kills to their credit.

      These suckers like to invade honeybee hives (of the European variety) and slaughter them by the tens of thousands. A single hornet can wipe (or nearly so) an entire hive. In minutes.

      However, our friendly neighborhood Japaneses honeybees have a trick up their sleeves. They surround the hornet and vibrate as much as possible. The result is that they insulate and then rapidly heat up the hornet until it cooks to death.

      Just lovely.


      I hope you’ve enjoyed this presentation of “Mathius talks about bugs!”

      • woops.. weird autocorrect there.. ENTO-mology. Study of insects, not word origins.

        Also, I suppose it is both since I explained the roots of hymenoptera.


      • Just A Citizen says:


        Couldn’t help but notice the similarity of colonizing insects, which Socialists adore and emulate, and Socialist themselves. That would of course be the part about them being nasty, aggressive and venomous. To be avoided or nuked from orbit.

        Thanks for the social political humor this morning. I will be smiling all the way to Sandpoint today. 🙂

      • Ahhhhh…the Bumble Bee……flies around your flowers and veggies miding their own business……a rather large round buzzer……harmless enough, until you step on or into their hive…usually in the ground. When you piss them off, they can be rather aggressive….they do like to attack in a haphazard fashion and, if I did not know better, they are equipped with a very sophisticated communication system able to summon reinforcement from a mile away…they will chase you down, surround you, and immediately start a rather auspicious fillet system with some rather unique 12 guage stingers.

        But what would we do without them…..for the want of the Bumble Bee, we would not have such notable musical master pieces such as ” Flight of the Bumble Bee.”

  6. gmanfortruth says:


    In a major win for liberty, a Federal Court of appeals in Washington, D.C. has just handed down an opinion affirming the fact that the 2nd Amendment most certainly includes the right to carry a firearm in public.

    In a split 2-1 decision the majority reasoned that Washington, D.C.’s “for cause” regulation basically amounts to a gun ban in the city. Current D.C. law requires that a citizen have a “good reason” for getting a concealed carry permit, which would allow them to carry a gun in public. However, it is the city that gets to decide whether or not a person has a “good reason” for needing to carry a gun, and they can reject almost any request.

    D.C. Circuit Judge Thomas Griffith wrote the majority opinion for the court and was joined in his opinion by Judge Stephen F. Williams. In his opinion Griffith explains that throughout Western legal history the right to “keep and bear arms,” afforded law abiding citizens the right to own firearms for the protection of their home (the keep part) and to carry those firearms out into public to serve as protection outside the home (the bear part). Griffith stressed that carrying a gun in public is indeed a “core” aspect of what the 2nd Amendment stands for and therefore Washington, D.C.’s “for cause” regulation was unconstitutional because the citizens don’t need to provide the city with a “cause” in order to carry.

  7. gmanfortruth says:

    The AP reported:

    BREAKING: Trump: Transgender people will not be allowed to serve `in any capacity’ in the US military.
    — The Associated Press (@AP) July 26, 2017


    Let the lawsuits begin.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Trump Tweeted:

      After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow……
      — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017

      ….Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming…..
      — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017

      ….victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail. Thank you
      — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2017


    • The problem is A. Cost. Why the hell are “we” paying for it? and B. Deployability. This is a multi year process that needs constant monitoring.

      Think about it for a minute, i want the change, can’t afford it, join the navy for four have them foot the bill, be “excused” from deployments for at least two years then out of the service in another two. Nuts. Just plain nuts.

  8. This Irman IT guy was arrested trying to leave the country,charged with bank fraud so far. Shultz finally fired him after he was arrested! He also got away with wiring almost 300,000 to Pakistan before he was arrested.

    I found this additional info interesting.

  9. People keep saying the dems are in trouble. I say, yeah I heard stories of the Republicans s death too. But I have to say, this doesn’t sound good for the Democratic Party. Lots of middle class people in the union.

  10. Driver’s licenses issued in CA to Illegal immigrants.

    Each license comes with a voter registration from and automatic voting. All they applicant needs to do is check a box that says citizen. No other ID checks or questions asked during this process and all the office workers are SEIU members. Is the fox guarding the hen house?

  11. Just made an appoint at the local SSA office. So next month I will be signing up myself and the Mrs. for the government dole. Mathius, it is now your time to support me although I will still be working full time. Any advice on how to maximize the returns from you old folken?

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      <65, 65+ or 67+?

    • Mathius says:

      I have some advise.

      Go boil your head, mooch.

      If you are able to work, and able to support yourself, you shouldn’t get a penny, not one red cent of the fruit of my labor.

      As a big government liberal, I support the taking of my money to support those who cannot support themselves.

      But if you can – or you have means – you are not my problem.

      So I’ll leave a mailing address with gman and you can send me back my share of your sponging.


      You are not getting YOUR money back.

      YOUR money is gone. It was spent on retirees IN THE PAST.

      At this point, you are stealing MY money.

      And the fact that you have paid for people who shouldn’t have been eligible to receive your money (liberal: because they could provide for themselves …. conservative: because they didn’t earn it and it’s yours), doesn’t change the fact that you shouldn’t be taking from ME.


      • gmanfortruth says:

        These are your beloved governments rules, which we are required to follow, at gun point sometimes. You love government, then deal with their rules.

        Take every penny you can T-Ray, they take every penny they can, after all….and still want more via the fraud of climate change.

      • Why do you consider it your money? Dale has been paying these taxes the whole time you have been and more and if he hasn’t retired he is still paying them.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Been retired now for just under 7 years and only 65 years old. Worked my ass off for 42 years and only now have I recovered my strength from the succubus called corporate America.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            If I had not given in to pressures to “grow up and settle down” and not left a very independent and lucrative job on the oceans delivering boats.

            It’s amazing the governmental hoops one has to jump through to get your Captain’s license today. Even DHS approved clearances etc Port entry….

      • I have been working contributing since I was 13. All under the rules that eventually I would get some money back when it was my turn. That’s 56 years of labor contributing to support my grandparents and parents generations. Now it is my turn and you want to deny me. Need I remind you that it was your party that started all this and have defended it for 80 years. I would have been happy if Bush43 had privatized the system for your generation (includes my kids). But yet again, the Ds shouted him down. I have done the calculations several times and would be far better off had I banked the money in a 401K or similar program. However, come October, I have no choice but to accept the money. I could have gamed the system and started collecting a few years ago on my wife’s paltry benefits but I did not.

        So Matt, if you don’t like it change rules or TS.

      • Dear Harrumph………Next year, I will be collecting the full amount plus 5% for waiting until the age of 70. I, also, wish to thank all the persons who voted for and fell for this handout that was never intended to be a handout but a simple supplemental for retirement FOR THOSE WHO WORKED. Now, we give it to non citizens, illegal immigrants, and lazy asses who live in generational,,,,,,intentional generational……welfare. Like Europe, which is failing.

        I will also continue to work, collect investment income, military retirement, and buy and sell stocks. I intend to shelter my income, as I am doing now, and not reinvest until I see capital gains reduced or eliminated and corporate taxes reduced to 15% or less. It is bad enough that I have to suffer under Medicare when I was promised Tri Care, which Obama took away. It is bad enough that I have to suffer under the V A system when I would like to go to civilan care that is better. So, if I am forced into governmental health care….I also want all the bennies that everyone else has. You get rid of our welfare state and I will not take Social Security,,,,,you get rid of mandated governmental health care,,,,,Medicare,,,,,Medicaid.,,,,and I will give up mine. Until then, please keep working and send me a bill as well. I will pay you just as promptly as the government pays off the debt.

      • My first SS check is going straight to the steakhouse, compliments of Mathius.

  12. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Remember how after Trump opened his mouth about voter fraud in the campaign and HRC beat on that and got him to say that he’d STAND by the results. Obviously she and the many others including several high ranking republican politicians had no intention of standing by the results. At that time there was no inkling in their minds that she would lose. The very fact that a surrogate candidate from the green party who wasn’t even close in any race is the one filing suit for recounts in 3 key states.

    My belief is that Trump in reality did want to pursue all the server stuff no matter how criminal it was, Just go away, recognize that you had really dodged a fusilade and jail. Comey’s actions a year ago in a way could only partially justified with the full knowledge that Lynch and Obama would never have actually made an indictment based on the LAWS she and her staff willfully violated. However he stepped way beyond the investigatory stage, again sloppy with the full knowledge the administration would do nothing no matter what they found or he said. So he did lay out a pretty damning case for indictment then went beyond his duties. The October stuff with Weiner if you listened to his actual statement was that “there is nothing new here”. Of course nothing new, they had that stuff previously. Now that the buddy ole pal of Comey, Rosenstein, appointed Mueller a buddy ole pal and mentor of Comey and Comey admitted in open congressional sworn testimony that he violated Federal law to get a special prosecuter, pretty much to get Trump.
    Trump had tried to not instruct Sessions to go after HRC and others, but with the Mueller appointment who very definitely is bias and the unabaiting attacks by the left…all gloves are off. Sessions was instructed earlier to not pursue HRC, but now definitely has been.
    Trump learned some valuable lessons over these past few months. Politics at that level are a blood sport, not a prift or loss staement.
    The 7000 documents or what of them that have been released from Weiner’s laptop is three levels down from HRC. Not only was he a disgraced ex-congressman, he NEVER ever should have been near this stuff, much less his wife Huma Abedin who had no clearance either. Now the IT guys of Wasserman schulz have been captured the walls will start to crumble and Humpty Dumpty will fall never to be put back together again.
    I’m sure Obama has every intention of running in 2020, challenging the amendment about the 2 terms limits of the president. They will not be consecutive, Grover Cleveland. He can be impeached and HRC also and they will never hold public office again. The destruction of their egos will be sufficient.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      correction…Trump did NOT want to pursue HRC….but all actions since innauguration have forced him to take action.

      Sessions will not be fired or resign. He has done a great job on all matters the DOJ has taken up. He did make a mistake by recusing himself, but he can un-recuse himself in light of the actions by Comey, Mueller and Rosenstein the legacy Asst AG holdover.
      The dogs will be turned loose and justice will be done.

      • I heard that Session had stated he would recuse himself from any Hillary investigation because he had criticized her from the floor of the Senate. Given all that is going on, I would forget that promise or limit it to the email server only. Alternatively, I would go after the Clinton Foundation and the potential bribery of the SoS. There is more than enough to put her in an orange jumpsuit along with Bill. I would definitely go after Bil, Lynch and Comey for obstruction of justice. It will be interesting to see how the Wasserman-Schultz thing plays out. I hope they do not drop the ball on it.

  13. gmanfortruth says:

    It seem’s the success of the military prior to the Obama regime is forgotten. Tranny’s have NEVER been allowed in the military prior to Obama…..and frankly, shouldn’t be. There are hundreds of reasons why people CAN’T serve in the military, this one just hurts the Liberal multiculturalism snowflake ideology. Sorry folks, the military is there to win wars, not be some social experiment for some political points to win votes.

    With the supposed “sexual assault” epidemic that has been claimed, putting a female body in a male shower far from home is totally stupid, and vice versa. Trump is right,.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      If Hollywood is going nuts over the administrations decision to undo Fmr POTUS Obama and fmr Sec Def Carter’s unilateral decision just the other year, over the objections of the military commanders…I’ll rephrase that the political ones stayed silent, those that wished to be cashiered spoke up.

      I’d like a simple show of hands of the Hollywood types and entertainers (MSM) how many of them served in the military. I’d wager not many.

  14. gmanfortruth says:

    It should come as no surprise that the Senate can’t do squat with Obamacare. Maybe it’s time for the exemption for all of them to end and i think Trump can actually do that. Now that would be funny!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • In 1966 I was denied entry into the advanced Air Force ROTC program due to a childhood illness which precluded me from being in the Air Force. Since the USAF was about the only career I planned on, I was disappointed to say the least. I protested the absurd rule all the way up to LBJ and …….lost.

      I still have the letter from the Air Force Surgeon General who reviewed my case. Burned into my memory are the lines of how much it was going to cost them to train me and if something went wrong I’d be a liability.

      Well, it’s 51 years later and nothing went wrong but I do see their point. I guess these days if you need a heart transplant, just join the Navy and you can have it. Weird.

      Notice all the 1st person stories about former service people who transitioned after service. They are calling Trump every name in the book. But, someone in their boat can do exactly what they did. Serve in your biological sex THEN transition when you are out on your own dime. No big deal unless the issue is money or fame.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Put them ALL in the 7th Cavalry Unit and then send them to the front. Ho, ho, ho.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    A transgender former Navy SEAL has spoken out against President Trump’s ban on transgender military members, saying he is preventing soldiers from doing their service.

    “Let’s meet face to face and you tell me I’m not worthy,” Kristin Beck, a retired SEAL Team 6 member who has fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, told Business Insider. OK, DID I MISS SOMETHING BECAUSE I DO NOT RECALL HEARING OR SEEING TRUMP SAY TRANSGENDER PEOPLE WERE NOT “WORTHY”. SO IF NOT, THIS HACK IS USING THE OLD STRAW MAN AND THE MEDIA ARE EATING IT UP.

    Transgender former Navy SEAL Kristin Beck says that being transgender does not affect military service. WELL, SOME WOULD DISAGREE AND THEY HAVE THE SAME CREDENTIALS AS YOU MR. BECK.

    Beck was awarded the Bronze Star, the Purple Heart and the Meritorious Service Medal during her time in the service, when she kept her gender identity a secret, according to a 2015 profile in GQ. SEE, EXACTLY THE SAME CREDENTIALS AS YOU, BECAUSE IT IS YOU WHO OBVIOUSLY FELT IT DISRUPTIVE ENOUGH TO KEEP IT SECRET WHILE IN THE SERVICE. ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GQ PROFILE, NO LESS.

    The President said that transgender service in the military causes a “disruption,” a claim bashed by Beck among others after the commander-in-chief’s Twitter announcement Wednesday. SORRY BECK, BUT YOU ALREADY UNDERMINED YOURSELF ON THIS ONE.

    • Not only that, Beck was NOT transgendered in the military. It was after.




      And many would also agree. And they also have the same credentials.

      Seems to me this isn’t a question that should be settled by a popularity contest… just sayin’…


      I’d have to read the GQ profile in case I missed something, but from what you’ve given me here, this is unsupported.

      She is saying she had to hide it.. she didn’t say (from what you gave me) that she hid it because it was disruptive. I would imagine she hid it because otherwise, she would be subject to huge amounts of bigotry.

      This is like saying gay people hid because they knew it was disruptive to be gay. No, they hid because being open was a career ender.

      The President said that transgender service in the military causes a “disruption,” a claim bashed by Beck among others after the commander-in-chief’s Twitter announcement Wednesday. SORRY BECK, BUT YOU ALREADY UNDERMINED YOURSELF ON THIS ONE.

      Fine, even if that were true. What about the rest of us who dispute Trump’s claim?

      Seems to me that if he wants to actively discriminate (and that’s what it is) against a subset of the population, the burden of proof should be on him, not us.

      • Lettuce just concentrate on the dollars.

        4 year naval enlistment

        After Boot camp you decide you are a woman.

        Two years transitioning…Undeployable.

        Roughly one year left on enlistment…..not enough to deploy

        Cost of preparation, operation and follow up. Who the hell knows? Most of the stuff you google seems to make it cheap like $ 100,000 to $ 150,000 but I have my doubts. Those sites are “pro”. Since babies run $ 25,000 for a conventional delivery and appendectomies are astronomical one has doubts on these estimates.

        Then there is the issue of satisfaction. What are the post service costs for Tricare or the VA? For life!

        Want to serve, great, serve in your biological sex. Certainly you have already done a minimum of 18 years in that body. Then, after you leave do whatever you want……on your dime.

      • There are any number of reasons to be disqualified for being in the service. Nephew got disqualified for having childhood leukemia. Has not been an issue since he was 4. Is that discrimination against childhood leukemia kids? No it’s a matter of not wanted to be bogged down with medical issues while in service. Call it discrimination if you like, we’ll keep moving on.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Why should Mr. Trump have to “prove” anything to us? Did Mr. Obama have to “prove” the other side of the argument? Nope. In fact, at the time there were surveys of service member indicating the changes would be disruptive. That mixing men and women in combat units would be disruptive. No matter. POTUS says so.

        And that Sir, is how it works when it comes to matters of military readiness.

        Now with that said, I agree that POTUS’s outright ban looks like just another shooting from the hip in order to poke somebody. I am guessing it is the Dems and media he is trying to distract.

        The issue is PREPAREDNESS, combat readiness. That is ALL that matters.

        Race is not much of an issue regarding this goal these days. There was a time it was, but now it is not. So trying to draw parallels is not a good argument. You cannot simply dictate via orders how people will think and react.

        But I am guessing we agree, and I am thinking the vets here will as well, that being “transgender” is not an issue unless the transgender person starts making a deal about it. Just like all other personal issues of non transgender people, they become disruptive of readiness.

        As for my comments on Mr. Beck’s statements; his hiding was probably because he knew he would take shit. A lot of shit. And that would have adversely affected the Units cohesion and readiness for battle. The fact that he hid it, even for personal reasons, is an admission of the problem it would have created. Otherwise, come out and take the shit. Your a freakin SEAL after all. Tough enough to threaten the POTUS because you think your a girl. But not tough enough to come out while still serving. Of course this guy was serving during the don’t ask and don’t tell mindset.

        Regarding the COSTS, I think Mr. Trump was reacting to the Manning case and others working through the system. That the military must pay for sex changes for its service members. Mr. Trump can ban transgenders from serving, but he cannot change the medical benefits passed by Congress. So his only way to avoid this cost is by banning them all.

        Personally, I don’t think this is the best solution. It is just more evidence of the habit of Mr. Trump to shoot himself in the foot for no good reason. Even if it is a negotiating strategy or attempted distraction, it creates controversy that is not helpful to the overall goals.

  16. gmanfortruth says:

    Neighbor William Jordan believes the homeowner did the right thing. Jordan said he has a house full of females and he doesn’t mess around when it comes to their safety.

  17. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    You know it really doesn’t pay anymore to stick your head above the madding crowd. “Chipolte” embazoned across the news again about people getting sickened after eating at a Virginia eatery.

    Anything other than sloppy reporting would show that the CDC estimates 1/5 workers in the food services business carry the virus. People who work in close confined spaces, nursing homes etal. Just look at the beating MacDonalds took by the MSM and the past administration implying that they are the root of obesity in this country. If the poor could afford to eat so many meals at MickyD’s to get obese something is terribly wrong anyway. I have never eaten at Chipolte nor plan to. But I did get taken to Moe’s once. Talk about grossly massive portions. yet fast food perveyors are popping up on every street corner.
    I guess the people demand to get their money’s worth with huge unhealthy portions.

    • Except in the rarest of medical circumstances, obesity is something everyone has 100% control over.

      There is no excuse to be fat other than lack of willpower / self-control.


      I want to write a diet book – maybe one of these days, I will. It will be two pages long. Page one, acknowledgements. Page two, in all caps. And bold. And underlined. Size 48 font.


      At the bottom of the page, it will add: “And go to the gym, for Christ’s sake!”


      At the end of the day, the only person on the planet controlling what goes into your mouth, and how much (or little) you exercise is yourself.

      McDonnald’s cannot force you to buy their crappy processed McWhatever Burger with Jumbo fries and, of course, a diet coke. You know who walked into the restaurant, walked up to the counter (or rode up in a mobility scooter because your legs can no longer support your enormous bulk), placed the order, took their wallet out, handed over good money, took the shitty food-like substance to a table, and shoveled into your mouth? That’s right! YOU DID.

      I have some sympathy. Food is a drug – the oldest of drugs. Our bodies crave it. And exercise sucks – a lot. So I get it. But it’s your body and your consequences based on your decisions. The cause and effect are all yours. Not mine.

      (And, before you ask, no, I do not thing you should be eligible to collect disability if you cannot work due to obesity. Drop the weight and get a job. Or, you know, just don’t have any money until you lose the weight that way instead. Either way, NOT. MY. Problem.)


  18. You see, I happen to be the President of the United States and I am eager to build a big ol’ wall on the Southern border. The problem is that the funding bill is tied up in a dispute over whether the military should pay for sex reassignment surgery.

    Well, then, let’s intervene and clear the roadblock, shall we?

    I could just go on record against paying for their medical needs, right? But then I’m just going to have a fight over that. It just pours gasoline on a fight I don’t want to have.

    But… but what if… what if I ban all transgendered people in the military.

    Well, of course, the left is going to hit the roof. That’s a plus.

    But then I can back off a bit and, if I play my cards right, I can “settle” for “only” taking away the medical benefits.

    Et viola!


  19. How is it that we have come to live in a society where the President can tweet out any random thought that enters his skull, and the burden of proof always lies with those who disagree?

    Shouldn’t he have to be able to back up his claims?

    If he says that transgender people are a threat to military cohesion, shouldn’t he have to justify that?

    If he says that they’re too expensive, shouldn’t he have to justify that in light of other military expenses?

  20. Exhibit A:
    Considering the prevalence of transgender servicemembers among the active duty military and the typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

    Exhibit B:
    The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis



    • Two wrongs make a right?

      Using the average between the 100G’s and 150G’s I came up with (which I doubt), that takes care of how many trans folks? My math says 19.2 persons on the lower end and 67.2 on the high end. These people cannot even lie well!

      • Here’s a deal:

        1. I’m ok with the military not paying for sex re-assignment.

        2. Trans folks can serve, but may not physically transition in any way which impairs their physical ability to serve.

        2A. To clarify, if they are post op and fully recovered when they enlist, they can serve.

        2B. To further clarify, trans folks don’t necessarily have to do a physical change, but may simply declare themselves to be the other gender. This is fine, too.

        3. Discrimination against, or harassment of, trans folk – for being trans – shall be treated on par with comparable behavior if it were targetted racially instead.

        4. No boner pills for anyone.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Mathius, as stated there are thousands of reasons to deny entry, many involve mental issues. Transgenderism is a mental issue with a high rate of suicide, the rate of suicide alone is cause for denial.

          It would be a HUGE distraction to deal with in the field. Sorry buddy, as a vet, I agree with Trump and those he met with to come to this decision. Besides, the military was just fine for decades without them and will continue to win without them now.

          • Transgenderism is a mental issue with a high rate of suicide, the rate of suicide alone is cause for denial.

            I’m going to go out on a limb here and suggest that has more to do with the way they’re treated than anything intrinsic to themselves.

            Source: suicides amongst homosexuals in San Francisco (aka Gay Mecca) are about on par with the national straight average. However in conservative areas, gay suicide rates skyrocket.

            If I can extrapolate a bit, I read that to mean that gay people who feel accepted by their community are just normal people. Gay people who do not feel accepted wind up killing themselves a lot.

            If I might extrapolate yet one more step, it seems probable to me that what is true for “mental health” issues of sexual orientation might also be true for “mental health” issues of gender orientation.


            You served, you tell me: how does the military treat gay or trans people? What was the case when you served? Assuming you didn’t personally know any trans people when you served (because they are rare and, anyway, were probably in the closet), how do you believe your unit would have treated any member who claimed to be the opposite gender?

            If you were treated that way – consistently, pervasively – do you believe it would increase your liklihood of suicide, all else being equal?


            • I do remember an instance of a United States Army captain being cashiered for appearing in costume at a drag show in a local cabaret. His actions were considered “prejudicial to good order and discipline”.

              Then according to the famous Hollywood Director ED Wood a former Marine, nobody gave a crap that he was a Transvestite during WW2. From a 1993 NYT interview with Rudolph Grey, the biographer of Ed Wood.”Fascination with Mr. Wood has burgeoned as researchers like Mr. Grey have fleshed out the sad absurdities of his life. According to Mr. Grey’s book, Mr. Wood was a none-too-secret cross-dresser. A decorated Marine in World War II, he is known to have worn a pink bra and panties beneath his fatigues during the invasion of Tarawa. As a director, he borrowed or stole wardrobe items from his actresses, especially anything soft and fuzzy, like angora socks or sweaters. And he often pounded out scripts or novels on a typewriter at the kitchen table while costumed in a wig, makeup, a skirt and high heels.” Tarawa no less!

              There are many stories regarding Corpsmen and Medics which may indicate that there was a higher incidence of homosexuality in those fields. During my time in service when there was a draft, There were a number of platoon mates whose sexual preference was questionable. In 1969-70, the rule was, do not act on it. In the platoon, we practiced don’t ask, don’t tell.

              Then the was the slightly strange 1969 film “the sergeant” starring Rod Steiger.


              • Mathius says:

                So if it wasn’t a problem then, why is is all of a sudden a problem now?

                Understand, everything I know about trans in the military, I learned from Max Klinger, but it seems to me that we should be more “evolved” today that in WWII when Ed Wood was up to his shenanigans, no?

                Could it be that this is a non-issue and that it doesn’t really matter except as a wedge issue to certain social conservatives who also enjoy pissing off liberals?

              • At one time I might have agreed with you but no longer. See if you have 138 “wedge” issues at last count, when you combine them they signify they are no longer “wedge”.

                I suspect that the man who gave us “Plan 9 From Outer Space” and other great cinema never tried to CHANGE anybody’s thinking. he did his thing and the other guys did theirs. Ed, by the way was very heterosexual. He may have liked angora sweaters but he liked girls more.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        How can a unilateral decision by Ashton Carter and Obama only one year ago, for political reasons in the height of the campaign, and over the cashiered bodies of any military leader who disapproved, have become so untouchable now.

        Even the forced mainstreaming of women into frontline combat is disruptive, because women will not ever meet the physical requirements. besides men do not have periods and menstral cycles. In all cases standard were lowered to meet the socio-political agenda, weakening the services. Yes there are jobs within the services that can be done by women as easily as men, but that forces men to be continually in hazardous duties and rarely get a break……back to the period point. There was a wilderness survival school in the Wind River range of Wyoming. The one thing that was totally forbidden was women to be on the course during their cycle. Grizzlies became rather attentive. Good tracking dogs can be very useful for the enemy, like picking up and triangulating cell phones while out on a mission…..there they are…..

        In one command I was at, NOT one women completed their tour. They got pregnant and 100% opted out. At an overseas “hazardous” duty station people paired up. Because each of us had specific advanced skills and could be needed at any time, pairing up was very disruptive managing my department, Or refusing to get their drivers license requiring a 2nd person to accompany them again reducing the dept affectiveness. ALL, 100% of the men had to be able to drive. I actually had to start forcing people to live on base if I could not schedule them due to being in a relationship…….either during the 1st gulf war or 2nd very few women finished their deployment in the navy to that region. Pregnancy….shipped out and replaced by a person who did not work up with the ship before deployment…..that was right out of a Marine Corp officer (a womens) mouth.

        Remember the old recruitment poster slogan….”be all the you can be” now it should read, “feel free to be anybody you want to be”

        My neighbor who has just been deployed to the Gulf again. She is a nice person and beautiful and highly skilled in her MOS. However, watching her work the guys in a bar was very instructive. Lots of fights broke out over her and she ate that shit up like a cat and a bowl of milk. I’d see her come in with one guy and leave with another stiffing the 1st with the tab. I would hate to be confined on a ship with her where you could not get away, or be her senior officer.

        • How can a unilateral decision by Ashton Carter and Obama only one year ago, for political reasons in the height of the campaign, and over the cashiered bodies of any military leader who disapproved, have become so untouchable now.

          Because he was reversing a discriminatory policy.

          Right or wrong, the decision to exclude is inherently discriminatory.

          Now, maybe, you can make the case that it’s justified – that the costs of inclusion are unwarranted.

          But the burden of proof, in America, has to be that in order to discriminate against someone via public policy, you have to demonstrate that you are right to do so. It is not the obligation of the discriminated against to prove the negative.

          That’s not how this works.

          That’s not how any of this works!

          • Just A Citizen says:


            I agree that exclusion should be based on some reason that can be defended. But I am not sure the STANDARD of that proof would be the same for you and I. At least not regarding military service.

            At some point, you need to take your commanders recommendations as legitimate. That surveys of service members are telling you something that should be considered.

            This may be enough to exclude at any given point in time. However, this does not prevent the Commander in Chief or his subordinates from striving to change the hearts and minds of service members in order to make an “inclusive” change later.

  21. Mathius says:

    We regret to inform you that Mathius died of a massive heart attack today at the age of 34.

    It is believed that toxic levels of Red Bull contributed, but the primary cause of death is likely related to the open browser tab on his computer which contemplates the Presidency of Donald Trump Jr. in 2024.

    The Dread Pirate Mathius could not be reached for comment. Literally, not reachable. He fires a cannon at anyone who attempts to come near his vessel.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Sorry to hear of his passing. Especially over contemplating such a ridiculous idea as Don Jr. running for POTUS. Most people know it is Ivanka who will inherit Don Sr.’s legacy.

      The Dread Pirate will eventually run out of Grog and have to come to shore to take on stores. Even Pirates need the help of others to exist.

    • What a contest, Don Jr. VS. Chelsea Clinton who could theoretically choose Chelsea Manning as a ruining mate to nail down the TG vote.

      “Vote Chelsea-Chelsea”, has a ring to it!

      • Mathius says:

        “Vote Chelsea-Chelsea”, has a ring to it!

        Is that “ring” the collective sound of 50 million conservatives having a simultaneous aneurysm?

  22. Take note of his wanting to use his military service to kill himself, which thankfully he didn’t do, And notice why he wanted to kill himself, it wasn’t about being bullied.ed

    “One line from the book signals just how thin the ice was for other service members fighting beside Beck in those 7 combat missions.

    In the book, Speckhard notes that Beck had a desire to die honorably “so that [she] wouldn’t have to wrestle anymore with the emotional pain that stemmed from the lack of congruency between [her] gender identity and body”.[11]”

    The article itself is nasty when it didn’t have to be but I wanted to note this quote.…/

    • Watching another Beck this afternoon who pointed out that the suicide rate for those not having the operation is statistically insignificant from those who do and then kill themselves (1 point!). That was for older 30 plus folk. The suicide rate for those under 30 having had the operation IS statistically higher than those who did not. (10 points).

      Now believe it or not, this figure has been available for well over 20 years. I certainly remember running into it in the writings of Dr. Harry Benjamin M.D. who was a pioneer in the field. Dr. Benjamin died in 1986.

      So here again is where, thinking, feeling and compassion are all BS in the face of reality.

  23. Then we have this – telling us why the military should pay for viagra, if true, and I don’t doubt it, the military should pay for viagra.…starts-babbling-viagra/

    • Just A Citizen says:


      The Viagra meme is rapidly replacing the Hitler meme as a go to response. I have had countless arguments with those supporting abortion and who use Viagra to compare what is covered by insurance.

      They do not seem to understand that Viagra is a medicine designed to treat a biological dysfunction. Pregnancy is not a dysfunction of biology.

      The proper comparison would be the cost of hormone or other treatments for women to restore their biological sex drive or daily functioning. These dopes also forget there are two people involved in the Viagra use decision. It takes two to tango.

      • Mathius says:

        They do not seem to understand that Viagra is a medicine designed to treat a biological dysfunction. Pregnancy is not a dysfunction of biology.

        So is sex reassignment according to advocates.

        • Matt, you are slipping into the absurd. the biology is correct the mental status is not.

          • Mathius says:

            Says…. you?

            Last I checked, mental health is still heath, no? I mean, the problems involving the brain would, presumably, be included under the banner of “biological dysfunction.”

            Or is a brain not part of the body? I mean, I know lots of politicians who seem to operate just fine without a functioning brain, but for the rest of us, it’s still something worthy of treatment when necessary, no?

            If you have PTSD, that should be treated, no?

            If you have depression, that should be treated, no?

            If you have an addiction, that should be treated, no?

            If you have OCD, that should be treated, no?

            Feeling like you are in the wrong body, included under the category as body dismorphia, is a mental health issue. Why shouldn’t it get treated? Maybe we don’t have the technology to treat the underlying cause (even presuming that we should, which I will not stipulate) – but we do have the tools to alieviate the symptoms. Why should sufferers be denied that because you seem to think their condition is “absurd”?

            • “but we do have the tools to alieviate the symptoms. Why should sufferers be denied that because you seem to think their condition is “absurd”?

              Well said, but I do not think we have the tools to alleviate symptoms. The only tool that I know is by force…..accept this or else.

            • It is NOW illegal in the state of New jersey (and elsewhere) to try and treat young people who have it. This is despite the fact that historically at least half the young people who self identify before puberty eventually change their minds.

              • I’m not adverse to denying major irreversible life-changing elective surgery of this nature to minors.

                I don’t think anyone really “knows” themselves until their late 20’s at the earliest. There’s too much growing left to do. Too much self-discovery. Hell, it might actually be your 40’s for all I know. I bet I would hate Teenage Mathius if I met him today.

                I remember seeing an article on some parents who are (or are trying to?) transition their 8-ish year old. (before you ask, both parents are straight and non-trans). I get where they’re coming from – if you do it before puberty, then the hormonal and social development are much smoother.. but at the same time, how can you possibly possibly possibly know with sufficient certainty what the identity of that child will be when he/she grows up?

                My five-year-old went through a brief period where she pretended she was a boy and didn’t want to wear skirts, etc. Never the most feminine of children to begin with, I’ll admit to having some… concerns. Should I have called up a doctor and begun hormone replacements for her? I mean, come on!


                But, with all that said, I think this is a distraction form the primary issue. And it’s one I see in other social-wedge debates, too. The vast-overwhelming majority of people who elect to have sex changes are not children making wanton attention-seeking decision they’ll reverse next week. They’re adults who have dealt with this for years and years, who have done the soul searching and committed to make a change they felt necessary.

                I see this in the abortion debate, too. There are always those few idiots who think it’s funny that they’ve have 16 abortions by the time they’re 18. And the conservatives throw them in our face as evidence that abortion is taken cavalierly. Whereas, of the several women who I have known who have had, all of them considered it a terrible and extremely difficult choice make out of absolute necessity. The later is far more prevalent. But the former, well, it helps color the whole debate with an emotional tinge that isn’t really warranted.

                Same here. Most trans people aren’t transitioning because they’re children who flippantly think it’s cool or “feel like a girl today” or some such nonsense. There are, of course, some such people. But for most, it’s a serious issue which they have treated seriously.

                To treat it otherwise would be a straw man.

      • Nicely said Mr. J., Nicely said. And the link to female HRT post menopause is absolutely brilliant. I assume that one day Viagra will be as cheap as aspirin or generic Estrogen/Progesterone tablets.

        • Mathius says:

          I assume that soon enough, they’ll figure out how to threat the underlying cause(s) and it will no longer be necessary.

          Ditto for pretty much everything else. The future’s going to be awesome.

  24. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    This email and IT scandal with Wasserman Schulz and the brothers Awan is going to get very interesting. Even reading the congressional record about these guys. Schultz was TOLD by the House security personnel to get them out and ban them from the networks. Schultz bypassed that order by naming the top brother an advisor. Even one of them had a criminal record. The list of congressmen and women and the committees they served on is a big hint.

    The Russians had no need to hack the DNC’s servers or democrats congressional systems…they hired and gave the agents (bet) access. Even taking loans from a WANTED terrorist. The Russian meme is a coverup to the DNC’s and leading democrats own carlessness. Why else refuse to turn over to the very law enforcement agencies that could unravel the “crime”. They’d probably find the “hack” was in-house. But giving someone access to your computer and networks by definition is NOT A HACK.

    I could find NO reference in any article that these guys even were citizens but were here on visas, probably “green card”…….I have never seen or dreamed that our government leaders are so stupidly careless with criminal disregard for information.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      And Wasserman-Schulz’s IT team used by at least 40 democrat representatives

      One of the allegations against the brothers is that, “they were sending information to an offsite server and when you look into their backgrounds these guys have been accused of fraud repeatedly in civil lawsuits.”
      There is also evidence of financial schemes that extend beyond the Capitol Police’s purview and may expand to Pakistan, where Imran spends significant portions of the year.
      Fellow IT staffers TheDCNF interviewed said the Awan’s were often absent from weekly meetings and email exchanges. One of the fellow staffers said some of the computers the Awan’s managed were being used to transfer data to an off-site server.

      And one brother has a criminal record. Loans from a wanted supporter of a terrorist organization.

      Schulz threatens Capital Police with consequences if they do not give back to her a laptop being held in the investigation. “obstruction” of justice anyone.

      The guy arrested at Dulles is released but on intense surveillance…must wear a gps monitor and has a curfew….BFD

  25. I have posted on here before about women in the field in combat roles….but Mathius asked a VERY good question of Gman,,,,,,’

    But I will answer as if he asked me…..

    I mentioned on here before that as my stint as Senior Tactical Officer at the OCS academy, I had the opportunity to work with women in field conditions. It was a huge distraction for three primary reasons: (1) there actually is a physical condition of biological issues. As a Senior Tactical Officer I was required to “instruct” grown women on how to handle their “cycles” while in the field. This was an inconvenience and, quite frankly, something that I felt uncomfortable doing. The incident of heat stroke and heat exhaustion was three times that of men. This was because the loss of blood was so significant that it affected physical strength especially in 100+ weather. (2) I found that the women were not physically capable of carrying wounded soldiers and their equipment from the battlefield. As well as, the women were not physically capable of rappel down cliff sides nor from helicopters with 80 pounds of combat back pack. They lacked the physical throwing strength for satchel charges and other pyrotechnics. (3) You cannot suppress the biological urge of virile and hormonal men and women in close proximity. Fights would break out, young men and women would be in their own form of close combat in the field.

    In fairness, there were a lot of men that could not do the same physical issues. The difference was that we were instructed that a certain percentage of women would “pass” combat operations in spite of their inability to perform the same as their male counter parts….and we were not allowed the same privileges for males….if a male failed any part, he was out. Now, this brings up that a discriminatory act against non performing males? I think the answer is…of course..yes. In addition, to allow this discrimination also, quite naturally, harbored ill will.

    Now to Mathius’ question of how did gays handle it in the military in the “olden” times. I simply did not know of any nor run across any gays or transgendered individuals. I did not see them in Vietnam, Kuwait, Bosnia, nor Afghanistan. If they were in the units, they kept to themselves. I do feel, that if they did not keep to themselves, they are better off. I do not think that many will openly associate around the campfire or in the enlisted or officer clubs with open gays or transgendered. And, the more you force something, the greater the divide you create. You cannot legislate feelings.

    • oops…correction….did not proof read…..third sentence from the bottom…..should read…I do feel, that they should keep it to themselves..they would be better off….

    • Mathius says:

      (1) there actually is a physical condition of biological issues. As a Senior Tactical Officer I was required to “instruct” grown women on how to handle their “cycles” while in the field. This was an inconvenience and, quite frankly, something that I felt uncomfortable doing.

      Tough titties?

      Have a female officer explain it then.

      The incident of heat stroke and heat exhaustion was three times that of men. This was because the loss of blood was so significant that it affected physical strength especially in 100+ weather.

      We should not lower standards necessary to a given role.

      To clarify, necessary means necessary. If a rule exists for an archaic reason, or as an excuse to exclude women, that’s no good. But it’s reasonable to demand that unit members not pass out at a higher rate.

      Can’t cut it? That’s not the role for you.

      (2) I found that the women were not physically capable of carrying wounded soldiers and their equipment from the battlefield. As well as, the women were not physically capable of rappel down cliff sides nor from helicopters with 80 pounds of combat back pack. They lacked the physical throwing strength for satchel charges and other pyrotechnics.

      We should not lower standards necessary to a given role.

      To clarify, necessary means necessary. If a rule exists for an archaic reason, or as an excuse to exclude women, that’s no good. But it’s reasonable to demand that unit members not pass out at a higher rate.

      Can’t cut it? That’s not the role for you.

      (3) You cannot suppress the biological urge of virile and hormonal men and women in close proximity. Fights would break out, young men and women would be in their own form of close combat in the field.


      I get where you’re coming from, I do, but ehhhhhhhhhh…….

      I’d also add that, given my position above (that only women who can physically cut it should be included), I’d suggest that the type of woman who makes the cut… errr.. well, she’s not exactly the kind of woman men are going to be too eager to fight over.

      OK, fine. Let’s say it’s an issue. I don’t accept or reject this position. But let’s say you’re right. Why not a separate unit for the womenfolk? (again, only the ones who are up to snuff).

      Separate-But-Equal 2.0

      In fairness, there were a lot of men that could not do the same physical issues.

      I’m probably one of them. It’s why I’ve never worried about the draft.

      The difference was that we were instructed that a certain percentage of women would “pass” combat operations in spite of their inability to perform the same as their male counter parts…


      Screw. That.

      (please nobody bring up Affirmative Action and make me explain why it’s different…….)

      .and we were not allowed the same privileges for males….if a male failed any part, he was out.

      Makes sense.

      Can’t cut it? It’s not the job for you.

      Don’t feel bad, the army needs all sorts of other workers that don’t have to be able to carry unconscious bodies around.

      Now, this brings up that a discriminatory act against non performing males? I think the answer is…of course..yes. In addition, to allow this discrimination also, quite naturally, harbored ill will.

      Sounds like discrimination to me.

      But don’t worry – when I’m President, I’ll fix it up per the above. Sound good?

      I do feel, that they [homosexuals / trans folk] should keep it to themselves..they would be better off….

      Why should they have to hide?

      Better off how? How does coming out of hiding make them worse off if not through the actions of others mistreating them?

      I do not think that many will openly associate around the campfire or in the enlisted or officer clubs with open gays or transgendered.

      Doesn’t that strike you as bigotry?

      Isn’t that something we should fight against? Perhaps having more such individuals might inure the others to their presence. I imagine it was much the same when black people started joining officers’ clubs – at first, not many would openly associate with them. But with familiarity, they got used to it. Now – as it should be – it’s no big deal.

      And, the more you force something, the greater the divide you create. You cannot legislate feelings.

      So we should force all these people back into the closet? Because of the feelings of others.

      My feelings – even though they don’t impact you directly in any way – my idea of myself and of who I love – that offends you to the point of irrational anger. To the point that you will not associate with me “around the campfire.” Well, clearly, the solution here is that I should hide who I am?

      Not that you should get some therapy and your superior should read you the riot act. The only solution here is for them to pretend to be something they’re not.

      Maybe, during desegregation, black people should have worn masks so as not to offend the white folk? I mean, it’s not the fault of the lunch counter owners who – for no logical reason – refuse to associate with the black people. Clearly, the problem is that the black people are going out and putting their “blackness” out there in everyone’s faces by being public about it. The solution isn’t to tell the white guys to shove it. The solution is to shove black people into the closet so they don’t hurt the whities poor snowflake feelings.

      A bit clunky in places, but see any parallels?

      • “Why should they have to hide?” They should not have to hide.

        Better off how? How does coming out of hiding make them worse off if not through the actions of others mistreating them?”

        I have seen, not been part of, but have seen these men/women when off duty had a tendency to get the crap beat out of them. It is not right and, as a commanding officer, I would prosecute any such activity if it couldbe proven. But proof is very hard to come by….first of all the victim, and that is what they are, would never come forward to identify an attacker. The repercussions would be reprehensible. You would have “accidents” in the field. Been known to happen. Like I said above, how do you legislate feelings? YOu asked me about force….force in the sense of regulations that require one to accept another against their will. That is what I mean by force. I could write numerous regulations with penalties but that will not solve the problem….simply make it worse.

        “OK, fine. Let’s say it’s an issue. I don’t accept or reject this position. But let’s say you’re right. Why not a separate unit for the womenfolk? (again, only the ones who are up to snuff). Separate-But-Equal 2.0″……

        That actually was tried and rejected by Washington as segregation.

        “Doesn’t that strike you as bigotry? Isn’t that something we should fight against? Perhaps having more such individuals might inure the others to their presence. I imagine it was much the same when black people started joining officers’ clubs – at first, not many would openly associate with them. But with familiarity, they got used to it. Now – as it should be – it’s no big deal.”

        No, it is not bigotry until it becomes an issue on the job. You still have the issues today of blacks, whites, and hispanics not associating with one another off duty. Again, you cannot legislate feelings. I have not seen any circumstance where a gay soldier was any more or less brave than a straight soldier….and, as a Commander, I can stand up there and argue all I want that it is not right….but that still does not solve any problems. I can lead but it is up to the individual to follow. And, I do not see much difference between now and 30 years ago…but, also, there is a distinct difference between military and civilian world.

        “So we should force all these people back into the closet? Because of the feelings of others.”

        No, I never said that nor do I agree with that.

        ‘My feelings – even though they don’t impact you directly in any way – my idea of myself and of who I love – that offends you to the point of irrational anger. To the point that you will not associate with me “around the campfire.” Well, clearly, the solution here is that I should hide who I am?’

        No sir, I did not say that either nor do I think it correct. BUT…again, you cannot force association. That is a choice, is it not? And, as I said, if anyone was angry to the point of detrimental behaviour, I would prosecute them for that behaviour provided it could be proven.

        Using your desegregation logic is not really applicable in my opinion. Segregation is still very rampant….but it is self imposed….not labeled water fountains or counter tops. The only place that I do not see segregation is actually in the field. Everyone has a job and everyone depends on the other…but get out of the field, it all changes. I do not know why but it does. I also have seen the same with employees in the civilian world. On the job, no problems…..after work…..everyone goes their way. I never did happy hours so I cannot attest to that.

        “The solution isn’t to tell the white guys to shove it. The solution is to shove black people into the closet so they don’t hurt the whities poor snowflake feelings.”

        Neither is a solution.

  26. Mathius says:

    “Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.”
    – Candidate Trump, 6/14/16

    “The United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military.”
    – President Trump, 7/26/17

    • gmanfortruth says:

      Mathius…..As usual, Liberal’s have everything wrong. First, serving in the US military is NOT a RIGHT, period. Much scrutiny, background checks, medical eval’s mental eval’s and testing all go into WHO gets to actually serve. If your fat, sorry, your not in. If you have a proven mental problem, sorry, your not in. THere are hundreds if not thousands of reasons to disqualify someone from serving. Let me repeat so to be clear….Serving in the US military is NOT a RIGHT, period. It’s not even mentioned in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

      Sorry, while I have never dealt with a Tranny on active duty, I have had a major issue with a gay guy who liked to use his rank to sexually assault those of lower rank. While I was not his victim, I did report the incident to our TI. The queer was lucky not to have his ass kicked by 4 very pissed off young men. That was a distraction for my entire term of service. And yes, one bad apple screwed up the whole bushel. Tough shit.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        THat is tough shit for them, not you.

        I also think Trump could have handled it way, way better, but, don’t care enough to cause any angst in my world.

        I do wonder how many of these current active duty Tranny’s enlisted expecting free healthcare and a free sex change operation, only to get out after first term of service. I(‘d bet it is a large percentage but will likely never know for sure.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          It should be quite easy to get at given Obama’s policy is just over one year old. And that was politically driven to goad Trump and gain whatever votes HRC might get

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Mathius…..these numbers are pretty accurate. And even reenforce my experiences from 45 years ago.

      This is 16% of the women on board active warships get redeployed or opt out. That is a pretty high attrition rate…..the other stat brought up is the 50%. Sent back to other duty, non shipboard for other reasons requiring replacement at a high cost.

      The one thing Mathius that you seem to miss is that you get to go home to your family every night. As a businessman you really could give a crap about a persons issues. Not your problem, Business and a military fighting team is only as strong as its weakest link. In business it only means maybe a loss of money. In combat or even regular duties due to their nature can and will lead to death not just for one but the team.

      On board a ship ALL members are responsible for firefighting any conflagration on board. Have you ever handled high pressure firehoses as your local firehouse uses. Much less taking a team down several decks to put out a high pressure oil line fire. There may be some women who can handle it…..I never knew of any while in the service who had the strength or weight to handle being part of the firefighting team. They were just normal women who were not even close to the size, weight or strength required.

      My hard nosed opinion is that any women who has an unplanned pregnancy when all birth control is free and available while deployed and unable to complete her duty should be court martialed. The same goes for the partner…it does take two. That will stop or minimize this attrition of ranks.

      In business you do not carry anybody who does not or can not perform their assigned duties. Why should the military not have the same privilege to perform their assigned missions.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        What was the feeling/attitude the team portrayed in “Saving Private Ryan” had. You stayed away from the new guy. They were prone to getting killed and likely taking you with them.

        When you have such a high rate of turnover in a command of intregal personnel the mission is degraded. The months of training to perform the task seamlessly with the immediate team, the ship, the fleet and other land sea and air units. Then couple that with the “efficient” low personnel ships turnover and weak links become even more degrading to the mission.

        To be fair, just as Vietnam officially was over, I estimated that 25% of of my assigned people had no business being there for any number of reasons. None of the reasons we’ve been discussing were even thought about, like being gay, transgender, black, women etc My group was 85 men…..1st and formost was drug and alcohol problems. You say on your own time so what… have no on your own time so anytime being drunk, stoned, hung over or in anyway impaired was a serious problem. 2nd personnel trying to get away from bad family problems…..they did have a way to getting onto my desk. 3rd, the court system sending people who belonged in prison to the military. their habits did not change and therefore could never be trusted by the team, they were totally self oriented. Usually they never lasted to long…….then also what D13 said about affirmative action. We had to have a certain percent of each race, regardless of qualifications. A white guy could be removed for being so stupid a rock looks smart, but try and remove a minority who also did not meet even the lowest of criteria…it meant your career. Again the mission is compromised and it had NOTHING what so ever to do with BS archaic requirements…..during the my last duty, I got assigned a black guy who had been bumped from group to group. He actually was a very nice and amiable guy. Now he had been “trained” and certified as an electronics technician. Pretty much if you went through an A school had the same level of education as a EE from a university. I was pretty much directed to bust him out. I interviewed him to try and assertain his problem…..he flat out said he COULD NOT READ. Due to quotas and affirmative action he and everyone around him were unhappy for different reasons. He actually enlisted to try and be a part of Armed Forces Radio. Not to be an electronics guy. Luckily we had in Sicily an opening come available….I got him a tryout and on the radio and he was good and the OIC took him on. Now everyone was happy and nobody felt put out. We all became victims of the political social engineering programs.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          I forgot to mention personal indebtedness. Major issue then for security reasons and infinitely worse today with the availability of credit cards. At my 1st command I handled everyones pay. All 100 personnel, all in cash. Officers and enlisted. In my last command I as a dept head had to pay attention to what debts were settled and by whom in the payline. Welch on an IOU and we had problems. Money being paid out to someone else when it should have gone to the health and well being of his or her family if married. If single, not divorced you could just pull them back into the barracks and mess hall and they could piss away 100% of their pay. If married or divorced allotments could be arranged to insure the families are provided for. In private business it never was part of my job discription as a manager or any of my managers and executives.

  27. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    The Navy has decided to end the “new” littoral warfare ships. They have proven to not even come close to the mission they were allegedly supposed to do, much less operate in connection with other fleet operations. They can not even begin to defend themselves nor survive in any action when hit. They were designed to be low manpower “efficient” ships. Ships require an astounding amounts of maintenance especially when in a corrosive environment like the ocean. The maintenance just could not be done which used to be done by all hands even when you were “off” watch. The crews have apparently burned out quickly from such an efficient ship….The Navy is bringing back the FFG class

    • Big trouble for the shipyards in the interim. I still think they would all look neat in a static display centered around the Gerald Ford which ain’t going nowhere either.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        One keeps seeing great videos on the Ford….but from my readings, the Navy has switched on the follow-up carriers of the Ford class, back to the Nimitz style reactors and launch and landing systems. They were not so far along in construction so that modifications could not be done.

        The yards that built/build the littoral warfare ships are apparently 1st in line to build the new class of FFG’s. What I’d do is take the newest Perry Class frigates that still exist and modernize them. The hull is big enough to support major upgrades to weapons systems and other missions. They were designed to operate with the fleet in mostly anti-sub warfare. They have gas turbine propulsion and are just under the flank speed of the littoral ships speed. Problem is the Navy scrapped and sold them just about as fast as they decommissioned them after the “Cold War” and the Russian sub threat ended. I’m sure the Navy thinks of them as not stealthy and sexy (ie costly) A ship does not have to be that stealthy when they are so huge they can be seen anyway. Besides stealth did not help the Cole nor the Fitzgerald. Just run unto them.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Oh, and the Ford is gender neutral, they’ve deep sixed all urinals in the heads, even though the berthing compartments are not coed.

        The ship is manned by close to 600-900 less sailors due to new efficient systems. Obviously electronic in nature…..again maintenance will be a serious issue as the Navy is finding out and relearning. I have to dig into the Russians being able to turn ships into floating bathtubs as they have demonstrated once maybe twice on US state of the art warships……could the Fitzgerald be an actual demonstration of this capability for real? How can a modern Arleigh Burke destroyer not detect a large cargo ship that is rather slow by comparison unless it’s DIW and can not move

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Even though it’s claimed to be a hoax perpetrated by the Russians about the Cook, it took 3 years of forensic analysis to say otherwise.

          To much off the shelf electronic systems and open architecture software on board US Naval ships.

  28. (please nobody bring up Affirmative Action and make me explain why it’s different…….)

    Ok……but I do want to know….I think that you and I could engage in a reasonable discussion. Care to try? I am definitely against affirmative action, in the way it was defined. The courts pretty much rule against it now. Want me to go first or should we pass on this.

  29. I’m thinking this guy is that carp crazy! And this is the tamer of the articles I’ve read about his over the top rant.

    • I agree it’s over the top. But is that such a bad thing? Trump team has been taking hits since day one. I think Trump brought Scaramucci in specifically to be the rottweiler against the swamp. Puff his chest out, lay his traps and hopefully snag em up one by one. Like they say, Trump has them at the end of his laser light. Scaramucci is the light, taking some heat off Trump. Doesn’t bother me that it’s ugly. No one said it would be pretty, and they deserve it.

    • First of all, he is here to clean house. The first crybaby who said he/she was “afraid” to come to work is in fact now identified as a leaker. they will not have to worry about coming to work much longer. I’m sure they leaked a lot more before.

      Everybody has been saying from the beginning to “get with the program” or be gone. That is for old staff as well as new. Apparently they DID NOT get the message.

      you are hearing about Scaramucci. Do you have any clue what it was like in the Clinton, Nixon or Kennedy administrations? The post presidency, tell all books let us know just how vile they were but because it is “old news” we are not shocked.

      • I must in full honesty also add that while I was tremendously loyal to my people, when they screwed up big time, and I mean big time, It was all I could do NOT to take a fire axe to them. Especially when the problem was anticipated and they were cautioned about it. funny, the “over the top” thing always had the desired effect.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          According to advocates, those that want to be sheep should get animal reassignment surgery.

          Since when does advocacy determine what is science?

          Just because someone thinks something or feels something doesn’t mean the biology is broken or malfunctioning. Because if it is then you can justify action to fix the broken biology. Which in this case is the brain., not their sex. Guess where that leads?

          I can’t believe you even tried to make that argument.

      • Well the nasty is bad enough but what really bothers me is the man looks like an out of control, raving lunatic. Not a good look

        • I always enjoy it. It is “the Drill Sgt. thing”.

          Often I have run into the “act” it is rare when you really meet a nut. The nuts can be identified quickly. The others are all master actors. As Imus or Howard Stern or the late Andy Kaufman were all “shock jocks’ in the entertainment business, these people use it elsewhere and usually to good effect.

          I think that there is absolutely NO question that the people in the White House all have delusions of grandeur and have been leaking like an 18 month old’s bottom. Time for it to stop and if it takes the wrath of God to stop them, fine.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    I see many here are back to rationalizing and condoning behavior that none would have found acceptable in a Democratic Party POTUS.

    I understand how some feel it justified. But when you cheer these people on just remember how long the Israeli vs. Palestinian thing has been going.

    • Yeah? Because sitting around being polite has work so well for the last 30 years? 🙄

  31. Someone needs to explain to me Why McCain did what he did !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😠😠😠😠😠😠

    • Because he is King NeverTrump! And he will probably be dead before his term is up. Bless the dead.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Because he just made a scene about obstruction and failing to follow tradition. So he voted YES to get to a floor vote and then voted NO on the bill itself. That is the technical explanation.

      The personal reason why………he is an arrogant ass who wants to be in the spot light.

      • Just heard McCain went and talked to Schumer before his vote and Schmer smiled and hugged him Then I had to listen to Schumer, while he teared up, that we should turn a page and work together. Made my stomach turn. I guess McCain is under some delusion that he by stabbing the Republican base in the back, will somehow bring back civility in Congress.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Yep, that is McCain. When he feels down he does something to get his ego stroked by the Dem. side. He has done it before. That is who gave him the title “Maverick” as I recall. And he loved that title.

          I heard a CNN anchor claim that “John McCain risked his life to return and vote on these bills”. So CNN suddenly is a McCain sycophant just minutes after the vote? After McCain’s huddle with the Dem leadership. No connections??? I got a hotel in the 40 mile desert to sell.

          The mantra of “The Republicans own this if they let the ACA fail” has already begun in earnest. Watch the groveling towards the Dems now to compromise and fix the ACA so it doesn’t “kill innocent people”.


    About 50% of the Corruption for the past 8-years is officially going to be investigated…Including the power of Grand Jury Investigations. FINALLY

    Same Special Council/Prosecutor that investigated Watergate (Nixon)

    We are winning the Civil War…MAGA may never be Reversed in 8-Years.

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  33. gmanfortruth says:

    If voting in Federal elections are ever going to work, we need a treasure trove of Independent’s running for office and winning. The two political party’s are a joke and not nearly as divided as many believe. The Senate STUNT was nothing more than theater before they go on vacation and they can blame the guy who’s career is effectively over.

    Professional politics = Professional wrestling…….just as fake as the Liberal media.

    • How many times did the Rs vote to repeal ObamaCare in the last 7 years? What a big joke that was.

      Kid Rock will be getting my vote for sure now. Not that Stabenaw was a problem overnight, just a big screw you to the Rs. I hear he’ll have voter registration tables at all upcoming events.

      • gmanfortruth says:

        I have heard the same thing about the voter registration. I would vote for him too, the entertainment value alone would be worth it.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Al Franken is held in high esteem by his peers. Just listen to his questioning during the hearings of late. He went on and on and on about himself and praising the witness. Yet he never seemed to get around to a direct question. The witness was just sitting there with a dumbfounded look on his face, trying to determine if there was something he could respond to……The same goes for McCain. Just rambled inanely on and on. He is long past his claim of being a war hero. I think of him now as a “Manchurian Candidate”

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        Anita…also given is that Obamacare, the ACA, was passed without a single Republican vote and on top of that an unread document, and now one with thousands of pages of regulations tacked on. Admitted by the democrat leadership. Now with the majority in both the House and Senate, and the White House, Senators who voted NAY back when the bill passed switched to NAY on repealing this monster. What a con.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      If you have a set of principles which are being violated then you do not need “independents”.

      You need people who share your convictions.

      Independence has been the problem. When a candidate’s first statement is “I can work across the aisle” I look for another candidate.

      If they say “I can work with those who share our goals” then I will take a much harder look.

      There is a very large difference between the current Democratic Party and the Republican Party. The Dems are more focused on their core values and don’t sway from them much. They are far better at playing both the political and communications game.

      Do not be fooled that all those town hall ambushes this past spring did not have an impact on some Republican Senators and Congressmen. Remember, the House Bill was nothing to shout home about either.

      And once again let me remind you that the reason you and others think voting doesn’t matter is because you are the MINORITY. Voting will never matter if there are not enough of you to get your people elected. Which is why, by the way, the Founders detested “democracy” as a form of govt.. It is why they set up the Federalist system, with much power retained by the States. Including the ability to FIX this mess via Amendment to the Constitution, without Congress’ involvement.

  34. McCain does not surprise me and it should not surprise anyone else. He is not a conservative and never has been. He is RINO… a matter of fact, he is the KING of RINOS….

    Now, someone tell me why we should change Obamacare and not let it die on the vine. Let it go nuclear and hurt people……the Dems own it and I am not scared on whit of the try to turn it against the Republicans. People know that Obamacare has nothing to do with the Republicans. MSM and Democrats do not see it that way…….but someone tell me why not let it die and impload.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The law should have never been passed to begin with. But I am with you on the “let it implode” thoughts. I have to wonder about these counties that no longer have an insurer, and people are being told to go to the “open market”. What is the “open market” charging and what type of insurance is being offered at that price?

      I do feel bad for those being negatively affected by this piece of shit law that the Democrat’s OWN. I know a few and their insurance is unusable due to deductibles.

      • Everybody that I know hates it….because of deductibles…….I just hope we do not bail out insurance companies nor keep the taxes…..but if they end up keeping obamacare, my business decisions are easy. no hiring and park cash offshore.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Re: The Dems own it, meme.

      Sorry, but as of yesterday (last night) you have CONSERVATIVES at Red State claiming the Republicans now OWN the ACA.

      So you will have the supposed “left” and “right” making the same statements to the media. Do you think the American people will see through that and place the blame where it belongs?

      • Only because you are playing their game. I’ve seen comment sections where LEFTIES are defending Trump. Earlier this morning they were in a WAPO! comment section of all places defending. I follow O’Reilly podcasts now. Lefties are in there defending too. Or should I say former lefties? I’m not saying its overwhelming support, but for them to defend at all shows that people are willing to give up some ideology to defend truth. Time to start giving credit for more people seeing through the bs. What is Congress approval rating vs Trump?

        • Besides, what do you expect from the NeverTrumpers? It always has been Trump against the left and the establishment.

          • This isn’t about Trump, I don’t think anyone is blaming Trump, except the never-trumpers. Their blaming republicans, their blaming the party.

            I gotta ask who is everyone blaming for the FACT that we Still Have Obamacare? And that is the correct question?

        • Just A Citizen says:


          Don’t confuse Congress’ approval rating with any indicator that We the People agree with you.

          Many hate Congress because they have not produced Single Payer, and they have not cut Defense spending to 2% of GDP and they have not raised the tax rate to 75% on Rich people.

          • Mathius says:

            Many hate Congress because they have not produced Single Payer, and they have not cut Defense spending to 2% of GDP and they have not raised the tax rate to 75% on Rich people.

            Sounds about right…

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I am playing their game? Really? You going to accuse me of all people of playing their game?

          How many times have I outlined a more aggressive and strategic way to deal with the Democratic propaganda machine. How Republicans need to get smarter about their communications strategies and how people need to wake up and PARTICIPATE in the political process.

          I am really sorry that Mr. Trump is falling on his face. I understand your anger and frustration. I voted for him and would again given the choice. But that doesn’t change the reality of the situation we are in today. The guy has failed to grasp the situation he is in and adjust his strategies and tactics accordingly. He is proving to be the shallow person, and Progressive Republican, I feared him to be.

          P.S.: The R’s voting no was NOT all about Trump. Contrary to your view of the world at this moment, everything is not due to the NEVER TRUMP crowd.. In fact, Mr. Trump is giving them power over him they should not have. But hell, keep on cussing them and ridiculing everyone in public. Cause it is working so damn well for him.

          • Here we go. You got all triggered because I see things differently than you. Sometimes I think you are too close to the DC bubble. You think Trump is falling on his face. I don’t see it that way. He’s had many little victories already. The things he’s failed on involve Congress. Who is in Congress? Dems, establishment and NeverTrumps. And don’t forget the media. Who has Trump’s back in DC? The People. That’s it.

            Course direction. Let’s see. Had a small staff to begin with. Lewandowski is gone. Manafort, gone. Wins the election with Bannon, and Kellyanne. Walks into the WH, shoulda cleaned house immediately but as an outsider he did needed establishment to help in the transition. Gets held up to the max by CONGRESS in his cabinet picks. Has to deal with all the land mines Obama left for him. He just keeps plugging away.

            Small victories. Repealing regulations allowing pledges of capital and jobs to walk in. Goes on two successful international trips. Has Canada and Mexico worried about Nafta. Pulls out of Paris Accord. Sells billions in Natural Gas to Poland and whoever else. Stock market is still cruising, based on…how did the Colonel put it…based on earnings I think he said…not on a make believe economy. Has China groveling and willing to do something, anything, about N Korea. Has established a cordial relationship with many world leaders.

            More course direction. Comey is gone. Spicer is gone.

            Promises kept. 1.6 billion down payment on the wall was approved just yesterday. How many MS13 guys have been deported. Wins at the Supreme Court level in regards to the travel ban. Speaking of Supreme Court…Gorsuch.

            This stuff is just off the top of my head as I settle in after work. I hardly think he’s fallen on his face. And guess who’s noticed…the very people we started talking about in this thread…lefties. You’ve given him credit occasionally, he must be doing something right.

      • For the better part of a decade the Republicans have been preaching to the heavens that, if only we would elect more of them, and give them control of the Presidency, they would repeal Obamacare. That prices would drop, care would improve, freedom and liberty would rain from the heavens, and the world would be nothing but sunshine and puppy dogs.

        Now, they have all the power and… bupkis.

        Here’s what Eric Cantor had to say:

        Asked if he feels partly responsible for their current predicament, Cantor is unequivocal. “Oh,” he says, “100 percent.”

        He goes further: “To give the impression that if Republicans were in control of the House and Senate, that we could do that when Obama was still in office . . . .” His voice trails off and he shakes his head. “I never believed it.”


        Got that? Cantor is admitting that they simply milked empty promises of ACA repeal that they never realistically believed he’d be able to fulfill.

        They’ve painted themselves into a corner.

        The only way out of the corner is to replace it with something better. And that’s going to be tough to do when part of your party is moderate, part of your party are fire-breathing libertarians, the Blue Team is unanimously opposed to repealing their signature law, and the President is… mercurial.

        And, even if they could pass something “better,” they know full-well what the playbook says the Blue Team is going to do. See, passing a law is dangerous because you can be saddled with the consequences. Merely being ineffectually against something, well, that’s safe. It’s easy. And lazy.

        That’s the problem when your only policy stance is “against” something. If you aren’t “for” something, then when it’s your time to affect legislation, there’s no cohesive answer for what you should do. You’re left ineffectually trying to reuse successful tactics of the past, but being against The Man stops working when you are The Man.

        What’s a Red Shirt to do?


        Cantor adds one more thing I think is very telling:

        “if you’ve got that anger working for you, you’re gonna let it be.”

        Got that? He knew – the political leadership of the Red Team – knew that they had no realistic path to repeal and replace, no realistic plan for what to replace it with. “I never believed it,” he says. But they had that “anger working” for them. That massive electoral swell from the fires they were stoking.

        Well, might as well keep selling the bill of goods, right? I mean, people keep buying it, right?

        Well, at least he acknowledges that the Red Team owns their current predicament “100 percent.”

        • No sir, I disagree……while I agree with most of what you said, and that is sad, the reds own no part of this. What they do own,,,,,,is they are no different than the Blues…..equally as bad. Thankfully, I am untouchable….but my kids and grand kids are not. Their future has been sold off for decades and even worse now. I have protected everything as much as I can and trying to teach my children how to preserve what is theirs and what to do with investments. We are pretty smart and we divorced ourselves from the Obamacare and the associated costs. Unfortunately, I am on Medicare, and that is a travesty but use Concierge servies as much as possible as does my family.

          But, it is clear, that you are correct in that the Red shirts have sold their souls as the Blues did a long time ago.

          • Maybe I was too long-winded and scenic (I have that tendency).

            My point is this.
            1. Blues pass ACA

            2. Reds spend next 7 years screaming about it. Not advocating for a better policy, but just promising that they would make things better. They just needed more power.

            3. Electorate gives Reds more power.

            4. Reds fall flat on their faces.

            5. Formerly powerful Red admits he never believed they could deliver in the first place. That they were just making hay out of a shallow oppositional position.

            6. Chickens come home to roost?

            Mathius’ broader point is this: It’s easy to sit there powerlessly howling about how the other team is running things. It’s Monday night quarterbacking. If you’re right, great. If you’re wrong, there are no consequences and, anyway, no one can disprove your hypothetical world wherein you were right. So the Reds promised and promised and promised.

            And they cranked the rhetoric up and up and up. All without any cost to themselves. All netting in more and more winning.

            But now, they’re in a position where they are expected to deliver and…. well, what? Did they never contemplate actually getting this far?

            • gmanfortruth says:

              I agree Mathius 🙂

              The R’s have lied and lied just to get elected. They are what we all hate about politicians….they have no credibility.

              With that said, the D’s have also lied and lied. The ACA is a disaster and failed to deliver anything they claimed.

              So what we have are two groups who aren’t doing shit for We The People.

            • “Formerly powerful Red admits he never believed they could deliver in the first place. That they were just making hay out of a shallow oppositional position.”

              Cantor is not worth the steam off a hound dog’s piss**** in the winter time…(still not a rant)….He is part of the elite status on the Red/Blue team.

              ***apologies to the hound dogs of America

        • Just A Citizen says:


          “and the President is… mercurial.” ROTFLMAO…………. oh God it hurts to laugh this hard.

          Credits given to you for the obviously challenging task of being “polite”. Well done Sir.

          Now to mop these tears off the key board.

      • Yes, I do think the people will place the blame properly. I heard the same arguments when Trump was running. I heard them from almost everybody…..I still think he is being under estimated and the proof of that is how much harder the left is becoming and how much harder the establishment is beginning to run scared. I am enjoying the show, sort of. I am not naive but I did not realize, until now, how bad this whole system has become. It simply hardens my resolve to change it….and Gman….I luv ya man, but I cannot buy into the non voting issue. Non voting is what got us here, in my opinion. I am not an anarchist nor will I be. I will never support the over throw of our government by force. I still advocate the ballot box.

        I will never buy into the way the Democratic Party is now nor the Republican party. I will never buy into the Progressive Party as well…..all are destined to destroy this country for their own greed and purposes. There is not one person in the Democratic Party nor Progressive party that gives a damn about the people. There is 1 in 100 in the Republican Party that does. But I will not give up. I will vote and try to get the right people to run but the smart people do not.

        So, the smarter businessmen will protect themselves and not invest into the greed of Washington. There are plenty of safe havens for money that do not report to the Treasury of the United States…..and I think that Texas has it correct. We moved our gold to Shiner, Texas from New York and other states better do the same…….quickly. I am afraid of what is about to happen….but as a State, we are beginning to protect ourselves as well. I do not like what I see in Washington….and this is not a rant. It is serious concern.

        • Are you sure, Colonel?

          Are you sure it’s not a rant?

          • Nah… have not seen a rant……it puts scary-moochie… shame….TO SHAME……but…if the Reds keep going….you shall see a rant. So, stay tuned, it is probably coming.

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    I have a question for all those who keep carping about the higher rates and deductibles under the ACA.

    Exactly where did you think health insurance was going to be without the ACA??

    Did you really think the sky rocketing rates were going to start dropping. That the constant increase in deductibles would suddenly reverse direction?

    The ACA is bad policy and immoral, from a foundation perspective. But the reality is that insurance rates, and medical care costs, were growing at rates far in excess of inflation. That those rates were pricing more and more people out of decent health insurance each year.

    • Mathius says:

      Preach it, brother!

      Medicine and medical care are expensive. ACA might (might!) be adding a premium to that, but it sure ain’t to blame for all of it.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        One of the greatest flaws of the ACA is its creation of greater monopoly power over health insurance. But then the idea was to use it to spring board to Single Payer, and eventually Single provider. So in this regard it is working the way some intended.

        But yes, the premiums and deductibles themselves are a different matter. And of course, you cannot reduce health insurance costs until you reduce medical care costs. Which the ACA also ignores pretty much.

        Note: Putting people into policies which deny payments to doctors is not reducing medical care costs (Medicaid, Medicare, and even private policies). Those unpaid costs get transferred in part or whole to somebody.

      • Preach it my ass…………..( not a rant )……pull the chains away. TOTALLY de-regulate the industry….TOTALLY. No mandates, nothing. No taxes…nothing. Completely de-regulate the industry and let charity be totally deductible. YOu will see a huge difference. HUGE, I tell you HUGE……………BWAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHHA……..using middle finger. ( still not a rant )

        • Just A Citizen says:


          You seem to have confused a statement about what would have happened without the ACA with a proposal to address the issues of Medical Care costs and insurance coverage.

          Point one: NO INSURANCE company in its right mind would take on clients with KNOWN high costs of medical care unless they can “socialize the cost”, if you will, among their entire client base.

          Point two: Medical care costs have been and will continue to rise simply due to DEMAND. Can the rate of cost increase be reduced? Probably, with a fully Free Market approach. But nobody who had any real power was pushing such solutions 8 years ago, or even today.

          Point three: Medical care costs will drop in about 30 years. When we baby boomers fade from the scene. If current trends hold, the following generations won’t have the wealth needed to support higher medical care costs. So prices will stay lower than they are today. More people will probably die on time, however.

          • Fully free market is the only way….and full charitable deductions. If a company wants to give millions to charity….let them. No caps. Or restrict it to medical charities. The free market will handle it.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              WHY DEDUCTIONS??

              Do you need deductions to make charitable donations aligned with your values?

              How about Flat Tax and ZERO DEDUCTIONS.

              • I will go with a flat tax and no deductions as long as everyone pays the same percentage. However, without charitable deductions….there is going to be no charity. Most will not donate to charity,,there is no incentive….and, yes, most need incentive to donate to anything.

              • And I mean everyone. There is a flat tax on Medicare, Medicaid, social security….NO ONE gets a free ride. No exceptions…..for one exception then creates another.

          • Dale A. Albrecht says:

            Personalize the costs and stop socializing them….that will bring the demand and cost down instantly…and yes people will die on time instead of being artifically kept alive for national status….Bad habits will end quickly….WHO has got to let a few of the pandemic loose instead of stopping them, These pesky bugs used to keep humans in check pretty effectively. Seeming cruel and cold hearted but true.

    • Wait a minute, people were well aware that getting rid of Obama care wasn’t gonna get rid of high prices all on it’s on. Why we kept Screaming the main problem isn’t insurance it s health care costs.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        You wouldn’t know that by listening to the political rhetoric or the claims being made by R shaped Politicians.

        Nor would you know it by following the thousands of comments made each day by both D and R types on the internet.

        It would also appear that MOST people do not distinguish between “Medical Care”, “Health Care”, or “Health Insurance” costs.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      The average rate of increase was around 7% or less for the decade prior to the ACA. This, I thought was high, because wages being the biggest cost, weren’t rising near that level. Regardless, it was a State level issue and we will likely never know the answer to your question.

      What we do know is that 7% a year, versus what the ACA gave us would have been great. Hence, my belief is that the D’s lied about what would happen and knew the ACA would cause premiums and deductibles to explode. After all, we all know the old technique of causing the problem then come along and save the day. The whole purpose of the ACA was to move towards Single Payer and finally, the full control by government of the entire healthcare system. It’s seems the R’s are going to make sure they help the D’s to get there too! Pathetic.

    • Prices would have kept climbing as long as more and more states mandated minimum coverage, a third party, be it the government or insurance, was the primary payer, there was/is no tort reform, groups are not allowed to form to purchase insurance in bulk, private parties have a tax disadvantage compared to corporations, etc….

      There were a lot of good cost cutting ideas that came out in 2009 that were ignored in the rush to create the ACA. The ACA did not address any of the real cost issues but added mandates to purchase and mandates to the coverage. These automatically increased the costs. (How much would and oil change cost if it was paid by your auto insurance?)

      If they would forget about regulating the insurance industry, attack the costs, and then find a way to cover those who are uninsurable, the system would have worked. But then the ACA was designed to fail which it has. No amount of “fixing” will help. The whole idea is flawed.

      My brother claims that Medicare and Medicaid actually set medical prices. They do have a price associated with each diagnosis. Providers are not allowed to bill others less than this price, because providers must give the government their preferred rates. Hence they cannot charge an individual w/o insurance less than they would charge Medicare. I am not sure if this applies to the “bulk” discounts that insurance companies get. But this is another issue in that an uninsured individual is billed the higher rate because of the contracts with insurance companies and government purchasing rules.

      Now as a kid we could drive to the local country doctors office, walk in w/o an appointment, see the doctor after waiting our turn, pay $5 and go on our way. It was cheap and accessible.

      As with most debacles, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

      Everybody is greedy, the insurance companies who want to insure their profit, the individual who wants free care even though they actually pay a hidden premium for it, the politician who wants to buy your vote with your own money, the providers who are lining their pockets….

      • Just A Citizen says:


        They cannot charge less but they can charge more.

        Many studies showed that costs not recovered by various insurance programs, including the federal ones, were passed to consumers who were not insured. Their bills were consistently higher if they paid cash for their treatments.

        Now this is independent of those who could reduce costs by going ONLY to cash paying customers. In these cased, doctors were able to eliminate overhead tied to insurance billing procedures.

        • I’m well aware of the fact that the person w/o insurance is the one that gets the shaft. And these are very people they want to help.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the morning.

    As one gains more experience in life and more knowledge of the world around them, their views and opinions should narrow, not broaden.

    At the same time, their thoughts and understanding should get deeper, not more shallow.

    A river that runs narrow and deep also has the strongest and most complex currents. It becomes nearly impossible to run upstream against such a current.

  37. I’m angry right now but eventually I’m gonna find out who voted no and on which bill. Then I’m gonna vote accordingly. I don’t blame the whole party. But I don’t trust the party power structure anymore. I don’t believe that all these different parts couldn’t pass through reconciliation when all of Obama care could. I think this whole big show last night was theater meant to make it look like they really tried to get rid of Obamacare. When the plan all along was to work with the dems so neither party would get the blame. We were played!
    I don’t know if there’s anyway to ever win, to get the traitors out of the party but what else can we do but try! The first step is to identify them.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      We’ve been getting played our whole lives.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        We? Not me white man.

        You cannot be played if you understand the game and learn how to play it effectively.

        • gmanfortruth says:

          Spare me your vitriol, This government is unfixable and beyond corrupt. If you think you have played the game effectively, your part of the problem then. Maybe you should put down the alcoholic beverage and come down to earth 😀

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Right on my dear. I will be raising a toast to you this evening, when my work is done.

      There is only one other way, and it is not a pretty option. So I also choose the path of locating them and trying to replace them. Along with continuing to try and educate as many as possible to a potentially better future, if they would just trust themselves instead of politicians.

  38. FOR INSURANCE REASONS!!!!!! He must DIE, On A Specific Day!!!
    But his parents can’t take him home without medical personal, lots of medical personal.

    • gmanfortruth says:

      THis is what kind of health care the Liberal Progressives want. Under their plan, don’t get old.

      • But it’s more than just socialized medicine or matters of Money at fault for these situations. I think the same thing would have happened even if they didn’t have socialized medicine. This is about control, about the supposed “better good’, it’s about evil.

        • Mathius says:

          There’s a ton of context I don’t have involving this case. But that said, I have no doubt that it’s an edge-case.

          The Brittish and Canadians seem to really love their socialized medicine. Could it be better? Sure. But they also save a lot more lives than ours and no one loses their life’s savings in the process.

          For every Charlie Gard, tragic as it was, there are several Joe Schmo’s you’ll never hear about whose lives were saved by socialized medicine.

          “The controlling of medical costs in countries such as Britain through rationing, and the health consequences thereof, are legendary. The stories of people dying on a waiting list or being denied altogether read like a horror script…

          People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.”

          -Investor’s Business Daily (since retracted)

          Of course, as you may know, Hawking is, in fact, Brittish.

          “I wouldn’t be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived.”

          -Stephen Hawking

          • Do the British and Canadians know anything else?

          • What more do you need to know, let’s see. The parents wanted to try an experimental treatment to try to save their child. They raised the money to pay for the treatments. The government said No.

            There obviously are pro’s to having free medical care but there are a lot of negatives too. I’m sure Charlie’s parents loved it before they realized that the cost was their right to make decisions for their child.

            Have no idea what Hawkings medical history is but somehow I doubt they would cut him off-they lea e that for the unknown peasants.

            • I just thought about all the fairytales I read as a child that would offer the main character their hearts desire and all they asked for was your first born

              • Dale A. Albrecht says:

                NHS: “UK now has one of the worst healthcare systems in the developed world”, according to OECD report

                “Hospitals so underequipped that people are dying needlessly because of a chronic lack of investment”

                This is a headline from a major UK paper. If I remember correctly the other year the UK government and NHS tried very hard to BLOCK and make illegal “medical tourism” That is to leave the UK and go to countries like India, Singapore or anywhere else fro that matter to get a medical procedure that was denied entirely or delayed so long that then the problem might be denied because now it was unfixable. THe rub also was these procedures out of country were paid OUT of POCKET by the patient, not the NHS. Their overriding excuse was that it was UNFAIR for wealthier people to get treatments while the run of the mill population could not.

                There were some very interesting articles written just the other year about the UK-EHIC card. This card was designed and intended for British citizens vacationing. However in the year this article was written 5M “foreigners from other countries in the EU got these cards by just claiming they now reside in the UK and they were handed out FREE. Never were taxpayers in the UK, nor ever resided. Yet then could get their required treatments like liver transplants, maternity care etal in their home country and the UK NHS was billed.

                Just a ike California’s drivers license and automatic voter registration. No citizen check what so ever.

  39. Mathius says:






  40. Canine Weapon says:

  41. Just A Citizen says:


    Here is a list of Republican names for your consideration, regarding votes against repealing the ACA.

    “Yesterday, seven Republicans in name only – Sens. Shelley Moore Capito (W.V.), Susan Collins (Maine), Dean Heller (Nev.), John McCain (Ariz.), Rob Portman (Ohio), Lamar Alexander of (Tenn.), and Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) – voted not to repeal major portions of Obamacare, ….”

    These votes were cast on the bills before the “skinny bill” which lost last night. This shows there are more than voted no last night. I am guessing those who switched did so only because they knew the bill was doomed.

    Just like the Dems who voted NO on the Single Payer bill yesterday. It was a freebie for them and now allows them to claim they voted no on Single Payer, when they run for the next election.

  42. OMG! I just heard Trump fired Regis Philbin.

  43. ***Rant in design stage….

  44. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Chairman of the House Intelligence committee reveals that the Obama administration requested 100’s of applications to unmask the identities of Americans, during 2016. Most had a boilerplate reason and only one had a plausible reason to unmask..

  45. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Why would a long time Clinton associate, attorney Chris Gowan be hired to defend Imran Awar?

    • Haven’t heard. about this-where did you get the information, I’d like to read it. Here ‘s some more info that fills in a few holes.

      • I think the “bank fraud” was the tip of the iceberg needed to stop him from getting on that plane. They did a good job. The spying, that will be something totally different. Expect another Alger Hiss case as far as the left is concerned.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Yes…the Bank Fraud, concerning loans for primary housing vs rental property charge, was to quickly arrest him as he tried to leave. The rest of the family has already beat feet back to Pakistan. Why are these people so intent on DESTROYING equipment and records even after they have been instructed to retain them under congressional supoena.

          The Capital Police and house security forces demanded that these people be banned from ANY IT work. Wasserman kept Imran by just changing his title to a consultant, but never changed his ability for access to systems. He could use their own logins and passwords, he didn’t need his own. Several congressman have admitted it so far. he and his family had access to EVERY scrap of information on these 80 plus representatives including the DNC servers via Wasserman-Schulzes system. This family averaged 160K each for IT technician work which could have been handled at a fraction of the costs by other more legit companies. These salaries are up there with congressional salaries. In fact only 100 out of 35000 congressional employees made more.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          This was written in 2013. Please note starting in paragraph 5 the name of Dr Ali al-Attar and his involvement in advising the Bush administration to invade Iraq. This very same person who is still evading justice in the US, is ALSO deep in this IT scandal by loaning/giving/or “investing” serious money with the Awar’s. There are a number of articles in this, I just picked one.

          NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC etal have given exactly 37 seconds to the story and it has been around since the fall and especially after Feb. NYTimes gave a minor comment. The story though is getting more mainstream but clearly very reluctantly. I assume because they have invested so much effort in the trump collusion meme.

          The Clinton Lawyer who is defending Imran at least at his arraignment never varied from the Dems and Clintons steadfast claims that everything is a vast right wing conspiracy and also the anti-islamic sentiment growing in this country. That got lots of coverage…..Can anything be any politicians fault? The race card was pulled out immediately.

          It was interesting to listen to Wasserman tearing into the Chief of the Capital police at a hearing. He was trying to explain that some of applications she and others are NOT to be used on the computer systems they use. She blamed him for not stopping her for doing something that she was told not to use.

          There seems to be a pattern here. The State Dept Cyber security teams told Clinton that what she was doing was illegal, she just raised her middle finger and did it anyway. The sad thing is that they all just went ho hum and let it ride. Exposing all our critical government activities to ANYONE who chose to look. All these people are just as guilty by not doing something about this activity only to protect their little rice bowls.

          My bet is that all this information on the representatives systems found it’s way to unfriendly agents, like Iran and Pakistan. Al-Attar has been seen meeting with Hezzbola and is apparently involved in Iraqi politics. Iranian parents born in Baghdad…..who stood the most to gain by us invading Iraq after 10 years of Iran not being able to defeat them. The country with the most to gain is IRAN. Hell Pakistan harbored Bin Laden, they’ve sold nuclear weapons technolgy to North Korea,….my bet there was nothing that crossed these members desks or in hearing that didn’t get sent to the “outside” servers that Awar and his family had set up……One of the Capital police reasons to blockt heir access and FBI paths of investigation

    • I do not know that there is anything particularly unusual about this. The whole crowd is incestuous.

      • Dale A. Albrecht says:

        I know about family loyalty but Jared is to new to have earned it. If I was Trump, Jared should never be near the Oval Office on any offical basis. Look what happened to Nixon out of loyalty to his advisors. Just look at his family history on criminal convictions by none other than Chris Christie…..easy target even if Jared is innocent. Trump can not afford to get many of these mistakes.

        An old family aquaintence was in Law School with Halderman, classmates and all. He was as crooked a lawyer as they come. Even his sons refused to have any involvement due to their father’s immoral, unethical, illegal practices that we as the people are forced to adhere to by the violence of the judicial system..

  46. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    I picked this particular article about youth unemployment in the Eurozone by CNN because it was NOT different than the other articles and Eurostats. But notice their lead photo and caption about “welcoming” refugees and migrants. These refugees and migrants are not the educated and unemployed European citizens that are the gist of the article. I don’t think in the history of mankind have we ever seen such healthy, robust, sparkling and clean refugees/migrants from “war torn” and otherwise terrible conditions.

    Merkel and other EU leaders stress how they need the migrants to fill a huge gap of a low birth rate by their citizens… so? they have a youth unemployment rate of their own citizens that is a total disgrace, fluctuating between 15%-22% across the entire Eurozone.. In some countries topping 40% like in Greece and 30% in Italy as examples.
    This stressed need for migrants to fulfill a gap which is actually in reality a replacement and cultural destruction policy, is sheer BS, especially ones that are at complete odds with the western social belief system. Wake up Europe.

    Draghi the head of the ECB late last year said the labor laws have got to change. Those that protect high paying, long term people, Even if they are non performing. With having lived in Italy, Holland and the UK and dealt with businesses all over Europe for 40 years I can attest to that personally. It was a problem back when each country still had its sovereignty, but became a problem on steroids as each country lost control as they joined the Eurozone. .

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      I remember when France shifted to the 35 hour workweek. The “intent” was to create slots for the unemployed “youth”. That DID not happen because none of the other laws changed and once in, or should I say once the camel got his nose under the tent, a company could not remove that person without penalties so they did not hire. What occurred was a degradation of service. People would just leave at the end of their short day or workweek. They also suffered NO loss of pay. Whilst in the UK though they still had a 40 hour workweek, I never saw while I was there ANYONE ever stay beyond their scheduled time. In fact the revolving door at 1600 would not even hit the last person in their ass on their way out.

    • Funny how on one hand overpopulation is a huge problem per the environment nuts, while these people are worried about low birth rates.

      • Western countries by and large have reached the point where technology has replaced the need for large numbers of workers doing physical labor. There is still a great need for small numbers of workers but the idea of “importing” unskilled folk is nuts. This fact seems to draw absolute silence from both sides of the aisle.

        Now, third world nations have lagged way behind on the technology scale. they still do subsistence farming. It is obvious that these unskilled folks would do better staying where they are unless the goal is merely an attempt to assuage Western “guilt” or to build on the “socialism industrial complex”.

        The so-called black leadership in this country cannot possibly be stupid enough not to notice that the influx of cheap unskilled labor dooms their constituents but they do not care. Those “bootstrap” jobs are becoming few and far between. We seem to be importing folk who will NEVER get to first base. Europe, I have no clue what the hell they have been putting in their water.

        • Dale A. Albrecht says:

          Yes that is true……The black leadership should be jumping up and down in furor over bringing in even more unskilled labor. THere have been several well documented examples of what happened to the lower spectrum of workers, be they black, white, or hispanic.

          In Europe they also are experiencing the shift to small part time jobs to make ends meet. These employees are easy come easy go. However “FULL TIME” empolyment is subject to enormous restrictions if you want to get rid of them, even if they are NON Performers.

          Areas in Europe that are devastated like in Calabria Italy with a top youth unemployment rate of almost 70%. There are a lot of factors for that. There had been a port facility built to be a state of the art port that is largely idle. Part of that is the lack of adequate transportation to handle the goods. That system stops up in the Naples area. Another reason is the control the Calabrians mafia (I can’t spell it) makes the Sicilian Mafia look benevolent. The drugs that flow into the area is massive, then being distributed upwards into europe.

          Merkel touts the industrial power of Germany. They in reality have lost industrial workers at the same rate as most other 1st world countries over time. Innovation in automation is one factor, outsourcing is growing. The major manufacturerers would be extremely hard hit with the “green” energy policies, except they are given HUGE subsidies to stay. I posted charts showing the energy costs to the population versus industry by country the other day…..Even around 2008 the Universities in Spain were showing the cost to their society for the green high cost energy policies. Not only in Euros, but also in increased unemployment. The numbers they had were before the recession. Stainless steel is a major spanish employer. Requires huge amounts of electrical energy to produce. They received huge government handouts at taxpayer expense to stay in country and not move elsewhere, yet the people are captive and pay the full freight. Spain also went the route of the US about home ownership as opposed to renting. renting was stigmatized and money was freely loaned out enabling people to purchase homes where if the economy downturned were screwed. Economy goes south and you rent, give 1 months notice and your free to downsize….home ownership actually froze people in place as opposed to being a very mobile workforce. That was very true here in the US also. I remember BF critizing people for just not moving from a job loss to elswhere. He always was an independent contractor/consultant. Salaries and pay came way down after the glut of kids hit in the early 2000’s. If one is paying a mortgage in one place and you have to sustain that, plus move, usually at your own expense, and now pay rent elsewhere at a lower salary usually than what you had… implosion is inevidable

          Germany did the other year change their unemployment benefits the other years. They did reduce the monthly benefit for a total of two years, but not by much. As dependents increased so did benefits per head. However they DO pay you your housing and other related costs if unemployed. They are also seeing a increasingly large non-mobile workforce.


    A most interesting article which touches nicely on free markets, and gun violence as well as (indirectly) the Democrat Party.

    If we were to do a scientific study based on this article, the author would be postulating a premise. Nobody in their right mind in politics would do such a study.

  48. Don’t understand all of this, I get they took the money supposedly illegallty but did they spend the money?

    • Just A Citizen says:


      What I got from it is that all we know for sure is the money went to Treasury.

      The other part is more speculation at this moment, but is consistent with what we know happened in other areas. That Federal money was granted to various NGO’s, not for profit companies, which had political ties to Mr. Obama or Democratic Party folks. Mostly to Mr. Obama and his “crew”.

      What I disagree with is the tendency to only look at Mr. Obama and his people regarding this back door theft of tax payer money. Maybe theft is to harsh, but it is pretty fraudulent. Anyway, this scheme was really hatched by the Clinton/Gore people. It was during their administration that use of NGO’s to extend and leverage govt. programs was put on steroids. Note: The Council on Foreign Relations and the UN both have touted the use of NGO’s for the same purpose. The UN Agenda 21 especially emphasized the use of NGO’s to carry out its goals.

      This is one reason I have come to think we need to eliminate the NGO concept and remove not for profit corporations from tax exempt status. If that includes churches then so be it. Of course if we taxed only PEOPLE that might also resolve some issues. Except we would still need to eliminate “grants” to private organizations.

      Interesting note in this regard. Last night went to see the Movie “Valerian and the city of a thousand planets”. For the hell of it I stayed to the end of the credits. At the very end of the credits was a Thank You. Not the usual thanks to so and so for allowing the production or filming in some Park or Reserve. But Thanks to the French, Canadian and British governments for the GRANTS provided to allow the film to be made.

      Got that? Tax money from three Countries was given to a group of movie makers to allow them to make a film, which they then get to make millions from once released. I am now wondering if these governments had included provisions for repayment if the film became successful.

  49. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Well worth the 2 hours “Tim Ball,,,The deliberate corruption of climate science”

    different news…Ball did sue Michael Mann on the hockey stick graph that Mann had created and how he derived it. The court ordered him to produce the data mostly because the “data” could come from none other than government and tax payer money therefore public infomation. Mann refused to comply saying it was his own private data.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      If you do not wade through the whole presentation, he had a great cartoon near the end of two cavemen talking to each other. “Our air is pure, Our water is pure, everything we eat is organic,,,,how come we do not live past 30”?

      The Inuit used to be given 1 permit per year per family to take a polar bear. They for the most part DO NOT use them, themselves, they sell them for $100K plus. They used to be invited to an annual conference about the polar bear and they got to saying that they are coming out of our ears. That is not politically correct and as of two years prior to this video being made they were disinvited. In talking to the native elders in the northern hemisphere they think we’re insane wanting to get back to the way of living as they do.

      Have to research this but it was said that one day Prince phillip was asked about reincarnation. If he would come back reincarnated what would he want to come back as. His statement was to come back as a virus that would erradicate mankind. That puts a bookmark in where Prince Charles is coming from and he’s considered a real wackjob and not fit to be king…..many other reason but that is one.

  50. Re: Sanctuary cities and states. Could we write a federal law that allowed victims to sue local and state individuals who knowingly release felons with ICE detainers back onto the street? These victims would be victims of a violent crime committed by the released alien felon within say 6 months of the release. The suit would have to filed in federal court.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Actually I believe with the enforcement of the immigration laws by the Trump administration a new law may be unnessecary The Feds may seek out victims of these type of crimes and sue the city or state on their behalf….actually I just might send Sessions a letter with that suggestion. Heck they sued god knows how many police and others for violating the Civil Rights of as an example Rodney King. The local jury exonerated the police but then the Feds stepped in and sued…To me it’s the same

      The Feds have to take up the sword and defend the VICTIM against the Cities and States that willfully violate Fedreal law from a violation of Civil Rights viewpoint. That’ll end the sanctuary city policy. Then it’s very specific as opposed to withholding Federal funds in general which then create another whole set of unintended victims in the eyes of the people and courts.. . .

    • T Ray….this has already been done but not through the Feds….Just recently, Texas has instituted new State Laws that allow victims and their families to directly hold individuals who violate state Laws and release known felons, immigrants, and others who commit crimes against habitat and crimes against persons. For example, the once sanctuary city of Austin, Texas…there is a sheriff and a prosecuting attorney that openly flouts State Law and openly disobeys Federal Immigration Law and does not incarcerate nor keep incarceration of illegal criminal immigrants….and openly declared that they would not abide by current Federal nor State Law concenrning same. They have emptied the jails and some of those have gone on and committed other crimes, including murder and rape. Now, in response, this year the State Legislature has made new laws that allow public service employees be held personally liable for crimes committed by any illegal immigrant allowed to go free. They are no longer protected from civil NOR criminal suit as a result of being in public service. Such law suits are allowed to sue for damages on personal estates.

      It sure is amazing how quickly the sancuary city of Austin and Dallas suddenly ceased to be sanctuary cities and how quickly crime is dropping in these cities as a direct result of cracking down and following the law.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        Now return the “moral hazard” to Corporations and other institutions and watch all the fraud and abuse start dropping. If more CEO’s were personally liable for their major decisions they might think twice about things like selling empty derivatives.

  51. On the Five last night. Dana Perino said that she had heard, a rumor I suppose , that Trump was going to make Sessions the Sec. of Home land Security. Put in a new AG so he could fire Muellar.

    • Dale A. Albrecht says:

      Could make sense. Sessions has been good in many areas but failed in others and should be kept on in another capacity. DHS might be a good place for him, instead of outright firing. A politician is constantly weighing competing forces and the DHS is having to do that daily. The DOJ is no place for a politician. I’ll bet Guiliani is coming in…he’s a pitbull like Scaramucci. the DOJ has got to be a pitbull when it comes to the enforcement of the law and can not be political. Guiliani has a proven record as a great prosecutor and a pretty damn good mayor of a difficult city like NYC, especially after following Dinkens…….he’ll sure as heck be better than considering Christie ever being near his cabinet..

      I just saw an interesting video on a different subject but concerned Trump and climate change. This is with several scientists who actually attended, The Trump administration appeared to be out of control and not prepared because “THEY ACTUALLY NEVER THOUGHT THEY’D WIN” quote from one of Trumps transistion team. He had to make some snap decisions and also to try and placate the R’s establishment…He’s weeding that out now.

      • It would be a great move.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          It would be a lousy move at this time. Maybe at any time. Sessions is not the person we want running DHS. I don’t think he has the temperament to keep those agency heads in line.

          Furthermore, the Senate has declared war on Trump if he does this. He will not be able to appoint another AG and the Deputy is as much or a bigger problem, since he was the one who appointed Mueller.

          Mr. Trump is stuck on this one. And if he wants Mueller fired he should do it himself.

          • Do you think Trump should fire Mueller ? Maybe I’m paranoid but I fear that many in Congress would use that as an excuse to impeach him. People saying that can’t ball- they just worked together to take away his Presidential powers when it comes to Russian sanctions.

            Also found this interesting


            • Auto correct attack!

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Not UNTIL he can prove Mueller has stepped outside the original purpose. And claiming some remote link to possible financial deals is getting outside the bounds, in my view.

              Bottom line, Mueller should be following clues and evidence. NOT FISHING. Once he starts fishing, Mr. Trump needs to document it and then fire him AND explain to We the People why he fired him. Oh, and his whole damn crew. One point to make is that NOBODY in Govt. should have infinite power and an unlimited budget to go on whatever fishing expedition he or she wants.

              The other option is for Mr. Trump to stick somebody like Guilliani in as AG, publicly announce he has the full authority of existing law to get to the bottom of the claims about Russian meddling in the election. And since the AG has that power and the various Congressional committees are also investigating there is no need for Mueller. Fire him with explanation.

              BUT, then make sure to stay on top of Congress by reminding them to remain NON PARTISAN and OBJECTIVE.

              What Mr. Trump needs to do and can’t seem to bring himself to do, is state his support for the investigation into the Russian meddling and stop making comments relative to “him” or “his staff” or “his family”. Announce clear and objective goals of the investigation. Delegate the power to carry it out, and then shut the hell up. Refer all questions to the AG, FBI director, CIA and DHS.

              Notice how all the “establishment” of DC are circling their wagons and defending each other as “one of the most respected XYZ in Washington D.C.”? Supposedly Sessions is untouchable because the Senators all love him. Except of course when Chucky Schummer was howling at the moon about the guy. Or Mueller is untouchable because he is “one of the most honorable people in D.C. and the AG people and Congress love him”. Listening to all this sappy nonsense turns my stomach.

          • Perhaps…..but at least he saves a job for sessions and do not over look the fact that DHS has been properly set up with the pecking order in place.

            The Repubs have a perfect chance to move on Mueller given his one sided stacking of the AG…….they will not do it because the repubs lack the desire, bravado, nor the guts to stand up to anyone. They are all too busy protecting their little fifedoms.

  52. Dale A. Albrecht says:

    Interesting commentary about the military being no place for people with mental illness….This came out of Canada. The commentator showed many of the medical and mental problems, that NOBODY worries or protests about, that will exclude you from serving in the military. Then she brings in trumps decision this week. I’ll let her do the talking.

  53. I know, once I started talking about this subject I’m finding it hard to stop. But this is a great article that everyone should read. No promises, but this is probably the last.–both-dead-n2361970

    • But perhaps the strongest argument against single-payer healthcare — dramatized by the plight of Charlie Gard and his parents — is that the all-powerful single-paying government will also be the all-powerful single-decider.

      A single-paying Uncle Sam may one day decide it is in your best interest to die.

      That about sums it up for me.

      • I have to admit that I did like one of the cartoons….

        What is the difference between the Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, the Stork, and the GOP in Congress? The first three can deliver.

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