The Social Justice Fraud

th6GQEW0I0If it can’t be any clearer, the whole social justice movement is nothing more than a fraud.  The players in the NFL are perfect examples.  How many big name players are fighting for lesser qualified players to take their spot and get equal playing time?  How many big name players are fighting to share the contract money equally with all 53 players on the team?  The answer is NONE, because social justice is a fraud and it is impossible to achieve in a healthy society.   No, it is quite clear that the social justice movement is nothing but a divisive play on emotions shoved down everyone throats by the Progressive Left to push their socialist agenda.  It’s a fraud and should be treated as such.

 

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  1. Let the debates continue 🙂

  2. At least the Cowboys got it right. If they want to kneel and support some perceived injustice ( yes, I said perceived ) then that is great with me. You do not do it for the National Anthem.
    This kneeling has not brought healing, it has brought divisiveness but that is the way of the Progressive movement.

    That said, I am done with the kneeling crapola….because that is all that it is…..CRAPOLA.

    Now, on to Health Care….any chance of repealing Obamacare is gone and I, for one, am glad of it. It is no longer a Republican debacle. Let Obamacare explode into the higher premiums and higher deductibles it is doing now. Leave it totally alone. It is a Democrat issue…solely. Trump can now sit back and simply say…..”I tried.” The Republicans that ran on the ticket of repeal and replace are going to be in trouble…..let it simply exlode and do nothing. Do not fix it….no more tax money…..NOTHING. Let it remain like it is.

    Then, let the Democrats, or I should say the Progressives, run on the single payer issue. It, too, will fail. It has no chance of becoming an issue because too many democrats are in the pockets of big pharma just as the Republicans are. We have the best bought political representatives in the world……bar none. At least Russia and China and Venezuela are open about it……and not back door lap dogs like our group is…this is horrible.

    If the tax issue dies, it will hurt no one except the middle and poor class. It will kill the jobs and it will not bring the foreign money back into the US where it belongs. The rich will simply keep it offshore and that is too bad. We have some grandiose ideas, in the family, for investments and lots of cash to do it with, but with the Republican Party on life support, there is no reason to now bring it (cash) back to have it totally taxed to death by the Progressive party of the future. I really do hope that the Progressives get what they want with their single payer system….I really do. Let them stew in it because that is all they will do….and the rich….under the Progressive mantra will simply get more rich and more powerful and you will have the totalitarian system that they, the Progressive Party, want.

    I feel sorry for my grandchildren…..well, not actually…there are ways to protect them as well with off shore trusts and distributions that are not taxable. It is just a huge pain in the ass to do it. Oh well……

  3. I heard one commentary yesterday that put somethings in perspective. Why is American exceptionalism and patriotic symbols so important to citizens of the US. It is not the same in other countries. These other countries have their monarchs and centuries of customs. They are essentially a monochrome society in customs, beliefs and other aspects of life. The US however is a very diverse country made up of people from all over the world with different religions, history, etc. The common things we have are love of this country, the desire to be here as opposed to our countries of origins, its freedom to succeed or fail. The flag, our mutual history, our founding documents all are the cement that binds us together. Tear down those symbols, our founders, negate our exceptionalism and history and we become a tower of babble and rabble.

  4. Just A Citizen says:
    • Ummm, wow! I think he’s underestimating the power of God and human nature.

    • While I see this could happen and maybe to an extent is happening, I’m not buying that it will be the norm. Call it luck or maybe my kids were just not normal. They’re 10 years apart. When they were young and questions came up about where do babies come from, my go to answer was that God is the boss and He made them. He works majic between moms and dads who love each other and He made them grow inside me. They bought it in those early years. ( ‘God is the boss’ worked well for lots of problems in those early years 🙂 )

      They knew about my 12 years in Catholic school but I never attended church since they were born. They questioned me about my rosary and listened closely as I recited the Lord’s prayer and the Hail Mary. Somewhere along the way, Grace before meals made its way into discussion. So the idea of praying to God was out there. I guess God had my back because they both found a way to Him…on their own, especially my son. For both of them, it started around middle school. Daughter went to Methodist church with her absolutely outstanding older couple babysitters, son followed a crowd of neighborhood friends to a Baptist youth club. Both stayed with it, on their own, for several years. Both kids have a solid moral conscience.

      So all that comes to this… that all it takes is planting those little seeds. It’s called parenting. God handles the rest.

  5. Just A Citizen says:

    Social Justice was originally an idea. A very complex idea supported by hundreds of pages of explanation. Albeit a seriously flawed idea, it was fairly specific in its goals.

    It has now become a slogan, with some of the original goals, of the Progressive. As with all things used by Progressives, it serves a purpose and changes all the time. Because it is all about change. Not necessarily solutions, but change for the sake of change.

    But make not mistake. It all moves towards Socialism. Global Socialism. It can not work otherwise.

  6. Thanks to the Cardinals and the Cowboys for kneeling pefore the the Anthem and respecting the Anthem for standing. Good example. If the players want to kneel for some “perceived and imaginary” injustice…..then let them do so. But do not disrespect the flag nor the Anthem. Nuff said.

    Obamacare……thanks to the Republican holdouts. You have proven that you cannot back up your promises again. Failure to obliterate Obamacare is your death knell. You deserve to not be re-elected. Because of your cowardice, the Dems now own Obamacare in its entirety. There are no Republican footprints on it and nothing has nor will be changed. Rates will continue to sky rocket….deductibles will continue to rise. Obamacare will impload and it needs to do so. Let it.

    Single payer has about as much chance as passing as the Republican effort to repeal Obamacare. Too many Dems and Repubs are in the pockets of the big boys and any single payer issue will die. Let the premiums go unchecked.

    Now, on to tax reform. If you fail to do so by years end, you will see another exodus. You will see no repatriation of money sitting offshore. You will see no major investments forthcoming. For example, as a family, we are sitting on a lot of cash that we wish to invest. We are not going to do so until there is tax reform. It is better to sit on our cash than to invest it in a situation where you have to fund Obamacare with capital gains penalties. I can save 3.6 % by not having capital gains. The rich will simply not move their money and the only people that get hurt are in the middle and poor class. The rich will get more powerful under Obamacare….so leave it alone and live with the consequences.

    Ok…rant over….again. Time for Dr Pepper.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    You have to read most of the article to get to the really, really good part. UNBELIEVABLE.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wisconsin-voter-id_us_59ca6e60e4b01cc57ff5bdd5?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    • They got 293 returned surveys. How many did they send out? From 293, they extrapolate to 223,000 people who did not vote due to mostly confusion about the ID laws. Were any asked if they were here illegally? Did they cross reference any of these names against immigration roles and driver’s licenses? Seems the reporter needs to ask more questions.

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    More UNBELIEVABLE. Make sure to check out all the comments.

    http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/09/26/steelers-ramon-foster-we-didnt-ask-for-this/

    • What comments? Can’t find them.

      • Look under the facebook and twitter icons…there’s a black comment bubble.

        For a leftie site, I’m glad to see so many pro USA comments.

    • The comments are telling, socialism will never be allowed in my part of the world, period. The Progressive agenda is dying, right before our eyes, along with the MSM and all those who supported it.

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    As Charlie would say, Bada Boom, Bada Bang.

  10. Just A Citizen says:

    Anita, this one is for you.

    • ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

      I know the exact point where you decided this video was for me 🙂

      Since its been over 90* here for several days now, and I’ve been off for these last two, I’ve spent more time online than I have in quite some time. I’ve been deep into the comment sections of many sites, left and right. Matter of fact, before I stopped back here, I was back at that CBS Pittsburgh site you linked to earlier today. I spent over half an hour there and as of 5pm , thats the time stamp of the last comment i read, they were still at it ripping the Steelers about the protests. I was shocked at the level of sane comments, actual good comments, all pro America, pro flag, pro police, anti thug, anti snowflake players. Its a pleasure to read that, and I’ve seen it all over for a few days.

      I saw the video you linked to below earlier today. That guy was good too. I’d been dancing around getting to the one you have linked above, but just now watched it and he gets it too. I notice you linked all black guys. There are plenty more videos out there with black people speaking up.

      I saw in one comment section where most of the discussion was about boycotting the NFL sponsors. Someone posted a comment from the Anheiser Busch Co to the NFL brass to the effect of ‘ we dont like how the NFL has handled these protests over the last two seasons and things might have to change with our sponsorship if the league continues to condone these protests…that anger our customer base.’

      Call me crazy if you want, but I’m calling Trump effect on this whole shebang. He’s the one waking people up to patriotism again. He’s been harping for 2 years now about America First. He decided last Friday that now was the time to throw a grenade and it has worked….again. Cause people are fired up. You think the conservatives supporting Chick fil A was something? The NFL and probably pro sports in general are going to pay bigly for the actions of their overpaid players, and the owners that let them get away with it. Because now its more than just conservatives who are pissed.

      I came to SUFA spouting about wanting things to be simple (hi Matt) again. We may finally have at least stopped digging. Because way more people are ‘woke’ now. I’m not in total Pollyanna mode cause I know it won’t be easy, but we may have turned a corner. So allow me to remind everyone what I think was a simpler time.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Anita

        The only exception I might take with your comment is that Trump has awoken the patriotism again. I think it more accurate to say it was there, but he made it OK to express it again. The Colonel alluded to this “effect” when he said it suddenly seemed alright to call BS on the race baiting, the snowflakes whining, and PC in general.

  11. Just A Citizen says:

    Seems Mathius is on the losing end of this schtick.

    • It seems the two sides are talking past each other.. again.

      One side is protesting (real or perceived) black oppression in America.
      The other side is bitching about "displays of anti-Americanism, of hatred of our country."

      This is a strawman.

      The Pittsburgh Kneelers (see what I did there?) aren't protesting America. Sure, some loudmouthed idiot somewhere is, or is claiming the anthem is racist or yada yada yada. But the main thrust of the protest is that, again, real or imagined, there is a systemic bias against black people especially in the criminal justice system.

      They aren't against America. In fact, they are deeply appreciative that, in other countries, they would not necessarily have the safety to make this argument. They are against an aspect of America which they feel is morally wrong.

      But the right is insisting on making this about hating America. Which is nonsense. That's not what this is about. I mentioned this the other day, but I'll offer it up again: the political right in this country has its own version of despotic political correctness demanding unflinching fealty to the symbols of America (the flag, the anthem, the military) and it is just as toxic as what the far left does.

      "How dare you disrespect our flag," they gripe.

      "Well, how dare you allow the the police to murder us with impunity," they retort.

      What a fucking mess.

      Disclaimer: I'm didn't listen to the whole rant. I have better things to do with my life.

      Disclaimer II: I really don't give a shit.

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      Adding: Do we have a problem with the fact that Trump equivocated on actual Nazis protesting, citing good people on both sides, but athletes taking a knee threw him into a fit of twitter rage?

      • So you going with the line that Trump’s “good people on both sides” was actually praising Nazis? Gimmee a break Matt. You are far brighter than to fall for that. Do you really think that every single person there was either a Nazi, or Antifa, or name your thug? I’m pretty sure Trump was referring to the rest of the crowd who was there, as “good people”.

        Re: strawman. That’s what Kaepernick gets for kneeling during the Anthem. He claims racial injustice in America, and chooses the Anthem time to protest. That flag and that Anthem isn’t the racist cops. He most certainly is picking on America AND the cops…because obviously its the racist courts that continually side with the racist cops that is the problem. They go together. So its not strawman.

        • Besides that, you’re slapping all three of these black guy videos in the face by presuming to speak for them too. Come up off that plantation mentality. You are giving them an excuse to be a failure. There is way too many “anecdotal evidence” or whatever that damn fallacy you always throw at me (which is bs since its a pattern not an anecdote when there is more than a case or two) of black people succeeding. If you have a will, there is a way to succeed, I dont give a damn what color you are.

    • Given the URL, I choose to simply believe this it is a video of a masked Antifa protester sitting quietly at a breakfast table and eating a bowl of cereal.

      • Wrong. The title got cut off. Antifa eats its own. Now its black vs brown Antifa with a little white thrown in..and yeah, we’re inherently racist, its in our DNA. Aye,aye, aye. I have a headache.

    • A-men, brother.

      • I laugh when I hear some college professor or some Liberal pundit claim that “if your white, your a racist”, because I think of you. Your no more a racist than I, and frankly, I don’t know a single person who is actually a racist. I mentioned earlier that I represented a lot of black employees as a Teamster. I only had one cry racism. He was also gay and had HIV, so he was all over the map with accusations. Once that started, I couldn’t help him. So help us out here and let’s find all this racism that’s going on (or simply being way overblown)

        • So help us out here and let’s find all this racism that’s going on (or simply being way overblown)

          It's systemic, but mild. It's like a barely perceptible headwind that, cumulatively has more significant effect.

          We can all point at the KKK and the neo-Nazis, but that's not really the issue. They're barely a rounding error. The real issues, as I see them, are:

          1. (cultural bias) A person with a "black sounding name" with an identical resume is less likely to get a call back for a job.

          2. (criminal trap) Arrested parents --> inadequate parentage --> hoodlum kids --> gangs --> arrested --> repeat.

          3. (poverty trap) Poverty --> living in a poor area --> inferior schools --> inferior education --> inferior opportunity --> inferior jobs --> poverty --> repeat

          I'm sure you can poke holes in this and point out plenty of counter examples, but as a general 30,000 ft view, I think this is broadly reflective of the issues faced by black people today. The only alternatives are to suggest that blacks are legally and socioeconomically equal to whites in America, or that they are intrinsically inferior in some way (eg, inhrerently more criminal) - neither of which I credit.

          It's hard to point at a specific instance and say, see, there? That! That is what I'm talking about. The best I example I can come up with this this: there's that guy at the office who is always a bit of a jerk. But he never does anything too over the line that you can justify taking it to the boss and getting him fired. Each issue is, taken alone, insignificant, but cumulatively, he's a jerk, and you know it. But if you take him to task for bumping your chair, or moving your stapler, he can always shrug off that specific instance as a mistake or misunderstood. And if you took it to the boss to list your grievances, you'd sound petty and nuts. But you still know he's a jerk.

          • 1. I have been a part of numerous hiring processes with different companies and have never seen anything as you are claiming in 1. Also, I asked my cousin, who is head of HR for a large company in Warren Ohio about hiring and if names or skin color have anything to do with the process. She was emphatic that she will only hire…..the most qualified candidate, regardless of skin color or name. With that said, I’ll be like you my friend and ask for some proof that it is systemic.

            2. Criminal trap? I doubt that, but this we can work with as far as a solution. I currently see the welfare system as the largest part of number 2. The welfare system needs completely overhauled and reformed. Welfare to work mandatory. Welfare for 2 kids and no more. Fathers being held accountable for their children, with DNA tests as needed. We can talk about the drug issue as well, but this issue should stand alone 🙂

            3. inferior schools (agree) inferior education (agree) inferior opportunity –> inferior jobs (somewhat agree) Now we are talking about the State and what they are providing. Why is it inferior? It’s controlled for the most part by Democrats, why is it failing? Low opportunities are a local issue, those who want, will find a way to get. Business’s will not build in a high crime area and you have stated the reasons.

            Jerks…..yes, they come in all colors and all creeds. It’s part of life, even at work. I have represented employees who have outright came to fisticuffs. Both were black and both were fired, zero tolerance. There was a white girl that struck a black guy, claiming he touched her inappropriately. Wrong guy to accuse, he was gay, she was fired. The workplace has rules. Show up on time, best effort on the job, get along, go home and have a good life. THe better and bigger the business, the better the benefits. People need work ethics and good morals or they won’t last.

            What’s next? We have established that the Liberal education system is failing blacks, correct? This is a major issue that needs fixed.

            • 1. http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873 (this is a famous one, though it is a bit dated - how is it possible that 2003 is 14 years ago?!) Maybe things have improved since then. Maybe not.

              2. I have spoken with you on this in the past. It is my belief that anyone physically able to work should have to work in order to receive welfare. Even if that means digging a big hole one day and filling it in the next. The choice shouldn't be couch ($380/wk) vs work ($400). It should be workfare ($380) vs work ($400).

              3. Well, if not this, then how do you account for the apparent poverty trap with such low levels of economic mobility. It can't all be "you didn't want it badly enough," or there would have to be some explanation for that instead.

              4. Re workplace, I think you missed my point. The point is that there can be a lot of minor, seemingly benign events. Taken individually, they can all be dismissed. But, when considered collectively, constitute a bigger issue. In this sense, the jerk is being jerky because his individual actions aren't egregious. But he is, nonetheless, a jerk. By comparison, I can suggest there is a "racial headwind" faced by African Americans as a cumulative effect of little things that add up. Not getting that callback when the other guy did, even though you were equal candidates. Getting turned down for a loan you might when you were right on the line. All the millions of judgement calls we all make which affect other people, but the coin they are flipping is ever so slightly loaded.

              It means it's not impossible, or even improbable, that they can succeed. Just that, for them, it's a slightly more uphill battle.

              • Maybe 2 and 3 go hand in hand. So let’s begin by agreeing that welfare needs fixed, yes?

              • There is more than work when it comes to welfare, like fathers being made to be away from the household. Let’s not fool ourselves, the welfare system isn’t designed to actually help in the long term

              • Welfare was fixed, it was “unfixed” by President Obama.

                The lack of upward mobility is caused by the lack of jobs that have the upward mobility quotient in them.

                If you keep going abroad to fill tech jobs, there will never be an incentive to develop them here. For generations I have heard that the western Colonialist powers have repeatedly raped the third world for raw material. Never bought into that but do believe that we are raping their brain trust with H-1 visa thing. That is not to mention the professions like medicine and engineering where we encourage high end immigration rather than do the heavy lifting ourselves.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            WHY do Black Americans suffer inferior schools?

          • Item one is a proven fact. Not a great idea to name your kid Rasheed or Tawana. This however is a 1970’s construct, prior to that all kids were more or less named the same. Does not seem to effect kids with last names like Lee, Sung, Than, Thieu, Rivera, Rodriguez or Sanchez. How come? was a time when a name like Wittgenstein, Goldschmidt or Rosenzwieg would keep you out of a resort but no more, Why?

            Poverty and education and drugs are all a giant circle jerk but, you have to ask yourself how other communities broke out of that circle. Jews, Italians, Eastern Europeans were every bit as marginalized as blacks are. They got out. How? By adapting that’s how. Easy answer is they were white, easy but wrong. Hispanics, especially those here for multiple generations have also adapted. Asians or Orientals as I still occasionally call them, cannot adapt their physical features but have joined the society as a whole maintaining their cultural identity but mainstreaming socially and economically.

            Blacks got off to a bad start in this country and our attempt to “help” them after the legal barriers were blown up were counter productive at best. On every level, the helping hand has become a crutch. When exactly will equal opportunity end, 50 more years, a hundred, five hundred?

  12. The original protest was about cops killing blacks. I happened to catch Tucker Carlson before I shut my eyes for the night, only to watch a wealthy black lawyer claim that he had been pulled over by cops when he wasn’t speeding, so that somehow made him an expert on this issue. Not only was this clown laughable, but he was an elitist lawyer who had probably never seen a day in poverty.

    I can attest that there are some bad cops out there, but I doubt race is a major factor. When 50% of violent crimes are committed by 12% of the population, the cops are not the problem. Some on the Left will claim “gun violence”. Sorry, the guns don’t shoot people by themselves. Statistics point out that about 80% of black on black murders are gang related. A large percentage of “gun violence” is suicide. To me, we have a gang and a suicide problem, the tools use are not relevant.

    So, getting back to the problem of racial injustice., what are some of the solutions? How do we as Americans solve the problems that plague Chicago, St. Louis, Baltimore etc.?

    I would like to hear from Mathius and Buck if possible, about solutions. I would like some real solutions, not the same old crap that has already failed. Everyone can join in while awaiting what are friends on the Left can concoct some ideas 🙂

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      I would like to hear from Mathius and Buck if possible, about solutions. I would like some real solutions, not the same old crap that has already failed.

      Burn it to the ground?

    • Malcolm X said the problem had to be solved internally in the black community. I suspect that is a good part of the reason he is dead.

      I, the white guy, even when the hair became white was pulled over numerous times in chancy neighborhoods for seat belt checks. When I was young, it was even worse.

      I have had five cops draw down on me once at a red light when I did a building survey in a known drug location, left the building and was headed in the direction of the George Washington Bridge (and NJ).

      It was worse when I was young even though I never went the long haired hippie route.

  13. O’Reilly was on Hannity last night. I’m surprised FOX let him in the building. Pretty good segment. Besides laying out the obvious, those two have something up their sleeve. Don’t know what, but they will be teaming up on something. I have a feeling that TSHTF pretty soon. I think the big picture is that Hannity is ready to put his job on the line and the big guys…Oreilly, Hannity, maybe Bolling, maybe Greta, maybe Bannon….are all prepared to form another network with the Mercer’s bankrolling it. Thats just my 2 cents.
    https://www.billoreilly.com/video/public-appearances?pid=22331

    • I do whatever the hell I want, because that's my goddamned right as an American citizen and they didn't fight to force their beliefs on me, but rather to ensure, amongst other things, that I had the right to express my own f***ing opinions.

      http://www.theonion.com/article/veteran-told-what-offends-him-57045

      • LMAO 🙂

        The Onion is a satire site. But in reality, I have no problem with free speech. I also don’t have a problem with those who don’t like what they hear to express their free speech. It works both ways and in this case (the NFL), money talks louder than protesting snowflakes 🙂

        • I am well aware that Onion is satire, thank you, but the article made me laugh, so I thought I'd share.

          Now, without using the words "But Obama," answer this question: "is it appropriate for Trump to have weighed in the way he did with Twitter, attacking the protesting athletes and calling for a boycott?"

          • Not only no….but HELL NO……no POTUS…..has any business calling for a boycott on any private business no matter ugly. He was wrong in calling the boycott…..he is correct for calling out a bunch of whiney babies using the National Anthem as a protest stage. That is inappropriate…….do it like the Cowboys ad Cardinals…..protest away and doing it before hand…..respect the flag and the Anthem.

            As a military person, it should be no surprise to you, that I took it as a slap in the face and very childish. It did not draw plight to a “perceived” wrong….it has succeeded in alienating us further…and I think it will backfire. But that is my opinion…

            The same thing with the black comedian that said, ” if you support the military, you are supporting racism”. (Words to that effect)

          • The whole Twitter thing is new and Trump is quite different than any Prez I have seen. I like seeing how the Prez actually feels about issues, instead of always worrying about the political crap. Refreshing, funny, driving the media nuts and new. Time will tell.

      • that I had the right to express my own f***ing opinions.

        Yes, that is what the intent is…..you have a right to express your opinions….anywhere and anytime you wish. I will never say that you do not.

        Where I take opposition….I consider it a courtesy to respect our flag and anthem. It is not a false fealty. However, I do not expect you to understand the meaning to veterans until you have been there. The rush that you get when you arrive back at your outpost safely after a patrol and see the flag flying above your compound. I cannot explain it. It is just there. It has a very deep meaning.

        I do not expect you to give false fealty to any soldier. But, it is common courtesy to respect the job they do or did. You do not spit on them….ridicule them…nor disrespect the uniform.

        The Anthem is a song, nothing more. A rendition of what someone saw and felt. It has been adopted. It is common courtesy to respect this as well. If you do not like it, fine. Do what you want to change it but respect it and how others feel about it when it is played.

        It is like religion. There is not one of you that can explain to me the deep feelings that you have for religion or faith. But I respect your feelings and I would never do anything to say that your religin is a false fealty to an unseen god. It is how you feel. It is a spiritual connection, I am told. Ok….cool.

        It comes down to respect and courtesy.

  14. Is this not divisive?

    https://t.co/ueXNWwCDcp

  15. So going back to the reason for the first “protest” by Keapernick, it is clear that it’s about oppression. In short, the flag and anthem are signs of oppression. I’m not going to put up his earliest interviews.

  16. Gman,

    So let’s begin by agreeing that welfare needs fixed, yes?

    When you elect me President (#Mathius/Colonel_2020), one of my first acts will be to rip the entire system out by the roots and replace it with something that makes some damned sense.

    Incentive structures are the key. Everyone likes free money, so you have to be verrrry careful.

  17. A review of Congressional record. See if these few samples sound familiar.

    13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

    22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.

    42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.

    http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

    Read the rest to see how many are achieved then ask yourself…..is this a conspiracy or a conspiracy theory.

  18. Where is the OUTRAGE by the Liberal media over the recent Church shooting near Nashville? Oh, it was a Black immigrant who pulled the trigger, so…….crickets.

    • That's odd. I've been living under a rock these last few days, and I've been hearing about it non-stop. What "liberal media" are you referring to?

      • There is reporting, it is news, but I used the term OUTRAGE for a reason. The shooter wasn’t white, wasn’t a White Supremacist so there is no real outrage by the Liberal media. He was a black immigrant, so it isn’t the normal constant coverage of an event of this magnitude. Sorry, but this isn’t unusual, if the story don’t fit the Liberal narrative, it won’t get the coverage of a …Dylan Roof church killing got.

        • This is probably broadly true.

          I would only pause to point out that the "liberal media" is hardly alone in this. It is unlikely that a conservative outlet would express comparable outrage for a story which does not fit their narrative, either. Your example of Dylan Roof is right on point, though I would point you at the execution of Dr. Tiller as a prime example. The left dialed the outrage up to 11, but Fox, who had been demonizing him for years, reported the simple facts and moved on.

          Personally, I think all the manufactured outrage (by all parties) is shit-tastic and needs to end. It's counterproductive to any end other than driving up viewership (which, at the end of the day, is all they really care about anyway). But within this framework, it's unreasonable to expect people to play up stories and angles which would be unpopular with their viewers, or to miss the opportunity to play up those that would be popular.

          Such is modern media writ large. Perhaps it was always this way to varying extents. I can easily imagine an old timey editor shouting "we're not going to publish that story - our readers don't want to see that. We're in the business of selling papers - go find a story that will interest them!"

          ::shrug::

          • I can easily imagine an old timey editor shouting “we’re not going to publish that story – our readers don’t want to see that. We’re in the business of selling papers – go find a story that will interest them!”

            That was in a movie!!!! Was that in Godzilla (the one where it laid eggs in MSG)?

            I do agree with you on this point on the current media hype bullshit, it is irritating. It becomes especially maddening when every little issue brings up the same old lame identity politics. After the Dylan Roof church shooting, the whole anti-confederate flag happened. This was mostly because the media associated the flag (wrongly) with white supremacy. The narrative was pushed heavily by CNN and MSNBC, along with the 3 majors.

            This brings me to what was said in 1963 about the 45 goals of Communism.

            15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

            20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
             
            21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
             
            I just don’t think this can be ignored anymore.

            • That was in a movie!!!! Was that in Godzilla (the one where it laid eggs in MSG)?

              For a while there I was pretty confused why Godzilla was laying eggs in a food-additive (monosodium glutimate).

              It took me a bit to figure out you meant Madison Square Garden. But what the hell was he doing in New York? Doesn't he know he's supposed to be rampaging around Toyko? Did he get lost?

              --------

              Interesting cultural side note, by the way, in Japanese movies / comics, radiation creates monsters like Godzilla or Mothra. But in American movies / comics, radiation creates superheros like the Fantastic 4 or the Hulk. It's almost like the two cultures have had completely different experiences with nuclear weapons.

  19. YOu cannot write scripts better than this….Over the last 8 years, the democrats doubled the debt, increased the deficit greater than all Presidents combined…………..and now they are suddenly worried about the deficit? Oh…the hypocrisy of it all.

    Special Note to the Dread Pirate…..The Colonel is going to start his own Republic….he needs a navy.

    • Care to cite the increasing of the deficit? I'd like to know what numbers you are using to make this claim.

      • Just A Citizen says:
        • Just so we're clear, the economy tanks right before he's elected, hundreds of thousands lose their jobs, revenues plummet, and demand for social safety nets skyrockets. And you're going to hold that against the President who inherited it? Do I have that right?

          • Regardless. What did 900B for ARRA and 900B for Solyndra get us? A vibrant infrastructure? A flourishing solar industry? You have 2T right there with a high unemployment rate and manufacturing gone.

            • You're going to have to provide citations for those numbers. I don't even have to take a look to know that that's nonsense.

              If memory serves, Sylyndra lost 5B (still a lot of money!).

              • Leaving for work, no time. Google is your friend.

              • Google agrees with me. Your numbers are waaay off.

                Have a nice day at work.

              • Ya’ll have to go further……look at te entire baance sheet and look at off balance sheet items…

              • You're got some 'splainin' to do if you want me to buy that 5B is actually 900B.

                Not that 5B is anything to sneeze at, but it's a rounding error by comparison. Anita is claiming 1.8 TRILLION to ARRA and Solyndra, and I'm saying that's nut-so. So if you think it's right, the burden of proof is on you.

                See also: Russell's Teapot

              • Solyndra’s owners, Argonaut Ventures I LLC and Madrone Partners LP” will “realize the tax benefits of between $ 875 million and $ 975 million of net operating losses, while more senior creditors, including the Department of Energy, which provided a $ 535 million loan guarantee to Solyndra, will receive nearly nothing.”[24]
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solyndra

                I think this is where Anita is getting her numbers.

              • Ok here’s how it went.

                I was only going from memory. I remembered the ARRA was a 800B dollar deal. I was thinking that Solyndra was an additional 800B deal but now that I’ve actually looked some things up, I see that the whole green energy stimulus was PART OF the ARRA. So that’s only 1T not 2T as I originally claimed. Woops. Whoever above that said the green energy stimulus was 6B was correct.

                However during my search, I read that 34 companies that shared in the 6B ended up faltering. That plain sucks.

                I even went back into the SUFA archives looking for links to data, found nothing but came across this cool discussion if you’re interested.
                https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/a-santa-story/

            • Thanks!

              Ok, so that's another billion, bringing us to 6 billion. Again, not that that's insignificant, but we've got a long ways to go before we can blame the increase in the deficit on Solyndra.

          • Yes sir, you have it correctly. It is a great excuse, but you have it correctly.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            YES. But that is not the issue. His last budget has a deficit higher than the one he inherited before TARP and STIMULUS.

            While the growth of the deficit beginning and end is slight, it still is an increase over what he found when he took office.

            The various bailout programs simply increased the deficit but more importantly the DEBT.

      • Just A Citizen says:
  20. Looking back to 2011, only 6 years ago

    These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?

    https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america

    And now. Thinking this man or anyone like can become President should be frightening!

    https://personalliberty.com/dark-humor-socialist-hellhole-venezuela/

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    A comment from a threat, on another site, about the NFL fiasco.

    I think this captures pretty well the key point the players and people like Mathius don’t get. Instead trying to blame “right wingers” or “conservatives” for fanning the flames of patriotism.

    “”I’ve been in the USO.”? I’ve been in a foxhole with bullets flying overhead you jerk? Yes,you were disrespecting the military. Even if you didn’t mean to, once we told you that you were, you should have stopped, YOU JERK.”

    The comment was made about an NFL player who claimed they were not disrespecting the military, and his proof was he had been in the USO.

    • “”I’ve been in the USO.”? I’ve been in a foxhole with bullets flying overhead you jerk? Yes,you were disrespecting the military. Even if you didn’t mean to, once we told you that you were, you should have stopped, YOU JERK.”

      Mathius responds: F**k you, I don't have to bend over just because you're offended. I'm sorry that you're butt-hurt because you took a protest directed elsewhere and felt the narcissistic need to make it about yourself, but get over it.

      Climb out of your own ass. In this country, we don't have kings and we don't have royalty and we are not commanded to obey the military's whims. The RIGHT bitches endlessly about the babies on the LEFT who complain about all their little special snowflake issues, but ignore, relentless, your demand for fealty from the American public.

      The RIGHT, and you along with it, seem to think we should hold the military in sacrosanct esteem, with anything less being tantamount to heresy. Constantly thanking you for your service and sacrifices (regardless of whether there was any sacrifice) and honoring you as heroes (regardless of whether you did anything heroic). You know what? F*** you. Not the military in general, but you, personally, random commenter on another site. You did a job and I appreciate it, but you were paid, and now you will spend the rest of your eating discounted ice creams and being hero worshiped by children on grandparents' day. And you think this somehow makes your opinions on what it means to be an American and what constitutes disrespect thereto more important than the rest of ours.

      Here's a fucking idea: just because you had a bullet fly over your head does not make you the arbiter of truth in all matters of "respect for America" or "respect for the military." I'll offer you the same advice I offer nutcases at Berkeley when they while about disrespect for their self-identification as squirrel-kin: shove it up your ass.

      You have the right to be offended. You have the right to take it personally. You have the right to ask that others stop. But they are under no obligation to do so. And the fact that you think they should have, just because your feelings got a boo-boo, shows that you have no idea what I think it means to be American. It shows that you think the entire country should bow before the idea of respect for the military and empty symbols of patriotism, rather than show any respect for the ideals why they represent.

      • I hope you were on your knees bowing in humble adoration to the Colonel when you went “rantal.”

      • “Constantly thanking you for your service and sacrifices (regardless of whether there was any sacrifice) and honoring you as heroes (regardless of whether you did anything heroic). You know what? F*** you.”

        Seriously, Mathius? Are you seriously saying that interrupting your life for several years, usually at the time when your adult life is just getting started, and knowing full well you are not only putting your own civilian life on hold but potentially giving up your life either totally by getting suddenly dead or physically disabled for the rest of it, is not a sacrifice, and heroic? I never took the oath, never wore the uniform, never put up with the rigors of military life. Everyone who has done so SACRIFICED THAT TIME and will never get it back. They didn’t know they wouldn’t die in a war, or a training exercise, or be injured in such a way that their life (as they knew it) would be over. How can you say, regardless of whether there was any sacrifice? And how can you say that taking the oath and standing up to potential danger, isn’t heroic?

        That doesn’t sound like the Mathius I have come to know on this blog, even if you were directing your comments at someone in particular who came across as a jerk on another site. If he/she took the oath of military service, it’s heroic and it was a sacrifice.

        Murf

  22. HARRUMPH!

  23. While I'm at it, I want each of you lunatics to repeat after me:

    The ideals of what America stands for are more important than the symbols of America.

    Just that. For homework, I want each of you to go home and write it out 100 times on a chalkboard.

    • Can’t do it……you will have to kick me out of class. They are one and the same…in my opinion.

      • Please place the dunce cap on your head, colonel, and go sit in the corner facing the wall.

        • Those symbols represent what America is, an imperfect nation made up of people from all over the world, who came here to be free. Many simply came for a chance at a better life and worked hard, but achieved it. Sure, we have had our flaws throughout history, but as a nation of imperfect humans, it should be expected. We are still far better than any other country for many reason, free speech being one of them. Taking a few minutes to honor the past and show our unity, despite our differences, is little to ask or expect from people who’s rights are protected by that history and those who fought and died for it. My answer to people who chose to dishonor our symbols of freedom is a simple one. If you don’t like it here, fucking pack your shit and exercise your right to fucking leave. Go live in Nigeria and see how life is there. Go live in Venezuela and see how things go for ya there. Got to China and see how much freedom you have. Go to Canada and have your government run healthcare. It’s all out there, go chase something better. The rest of us who love our country and the people in it, despite our many differences will likely find our home to be a more peaceful place to live because al the whiney ass bitches who don’t like it here will be gone.

          Rant not intended directly at you Mathius, but to all those who don’t seem to like it here. Fuck them!

          Rant complete, please continue with your more peaceful debates 🙂

          p.s. Mathius, free speech is a great thing.

          • The rest of us who love our country and the people in it

            That's it! Right there. That's the error. It's not that they don't love their country. It's that they don't love the racism they perceive in it and are protesting in a way guaranteed to get the the attention they think they need.

            Those symbols represent what America is

            Maybe. But they are just symbols. A flag is a piece of cloth, a song is just music. They come, they go, they help give stand in for the ideas, but they are not the ideals. What is more important? Your family crest (I assume you have one) or your identity as a family?

            • It’s that they don’t love the racism they perceive in it and are protesting in a way guaranteed to get the the attention they think they need.

              It’s been a year now. I wasn’t to pleased a year ago, but didn’t get uptight, others stopped watching the game. This year, a different matter. The protest is stupid and old. Those protesting have had a year to actually do something about it, but instead you’ll find that they went on nice vacations and enjoyed their wealth, worked out, stayed in shape and or rehabbed. Sorry, but we got the message, now they are just shitting on those who gave them the right to protest. This isn’t about oppression, that’s a strawman, it’s about attacking the symbols of American unity and our history.

              I actually do have a family crest and if you try and shit on it you will get an ass whoopin (as in a coma ass whoopin 🙂 ). I also have an American flag flying in my yard. Try and take it down, you’ll take a bullet in the ass. (I’m not threatening you directly, I’m speaking rhetorically).

              I have refrained from actually talking about these athletes negatively, because they are just brainwashed idiots who have no idea what they are doing. Shit, us whites are CONSTANTLY being called racists by the LEFT, constantly. It’s been this way since Obama was elected, if not sooner. I’m thinking people who have been patient with this issue have had enough.

              Now, I’m not boycotting the NFL because of a few 12% who want to act like petulant children. I don’t like the KKK types any more than I like the black power MFers. They all suck.

            • Too be clear, I’m not upset with you at all.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              THEY clearly stated they did not love this country. In fact Mr. Kaepernick said he could not honor the country due to his views on Social Justice and racism.

              So you can kiss my grits fella. This is in fact all about dissing the country and the symbols they decided to attack were calculated for that purpose.

              I will grant one thing. Most of the people now kneeling don’t have a freakin clue. Pretty much like you on this issue.

              The guy in the fox hole did not claim to hold the only view of patriotism. He said he was offended by the kneeling and that the guy claiming some position of righteousness because he was in the USO doesn’t compare to those who have actually seen combat. The USO is not military service.

              By the way, kneeling is an act of SUBMISSION. So exactly who are these clowns submitting to when they kneel?

    • Canine Weapon says:

      When they’re done, can I eat the homework?

  24. It’s that they don’t love the racism they perceive in it and are protesting in a way guaranteed to get the the attention they think they need.

    Does not seem that they are getting the attention they want……seems to be back firing.

    • True. But, hey, they are getting attention, right? Right?

      A hypothetical: Let us hop in our Way Back Machine to before all this mess. Tim Tebow takes a knee during the pledge in protest over legal abortion in America. "I can't," he says "rise for a pledge to a nation which sanctions the genocide of millions of unborn children each year." Others join him and, eventually, entire teams.

      Now, put on that thinking cap of yours. Who would be outraged and who would be defending this?

      And if your answer is anything other than "it would be exactly the same people attacking and the same people defending," then we can firmly establish that at least some of this is simply tribalism.

      I imagine you wouldn't have flipped, nor I. You would be against either way, and I would approve uncaringly either way. But I am asking about broader swaths of the public, as well as our Dear Leader.

      Do you think the anti-abortion folks would have flipped sides? Anyone on this blog, perhaps?

  25. I haven't see any, but does anyone know of a poll or survey of military personel with regards to their opinion on this kneeling nonsense?

    I hear a lot about offended vets, but I also hear a lot about vets who aren't offended. I would be curious what the ratio is. Both sides are claiming a majority.

    • Many years ago, I remember being told that Jehovah’s witnesses, do not pledge to the Flag. their loyalty is to God only. HOWEVER, in school, the little ones stand during the pledge, do not place their hand over their hearts do not recite the words but DO show respect. Taking a knee is disrespectful to the flag, anthem and the country not to mention the 330,000 Union Soldiers who died under that flag to provide the average 1.9 Million dollar salary to NFL players.

    • Interesting but I don’t think it matters. There is a large number of people angry about the kneeling during the anthem and another group calling for a boycott until Kaepernick (sp) is signed by some team. The NFL is , as the old saying goes, between a rock and a hard place.

      • I don't think it matters, but with so many people griping that it's disrespectful to veterans, it would be interesting to know what the members of the military actually think.

        • The results would depend entirely on the way the question is asked. Few years back, I remember one of the academies had Hillary as a speaker (post Benghazi) a large number of cadets/midshipmen, turned their backs. A protest or disrespectful?

          I vote a disrespectful protest!

          Yes, it did frankly appall me.

          taking the knee instead of standing silently is another disrespectful protest.

          My question to veterans or the military would be couched as follows:

          Which do you think would be a proper and respectful protest at a public gathering?

          Standing still at the playing of the National Anthem with hands at your side or taking a knee?

          See what result you get.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Personally I do not find it disrespectful of veterans. I know many think the flag is linked to vets but that is not why I find the kneeling OFFENSIVE. It is because it is a deliberate act of disrespect. By people who have not known anything close to real oppression. Some were raised dirt poor and others not so much.

          By the way Mathius, Tim Tebow was forced by the NFL Commissioner to remove the bible references on his eye black tape. But now the same guy is allowing entire teams to violate the league rules of conduct regarding the National Anthem.

  26. Regarding Trump's proposed deficit-exploding tax cuts for the rich:

    “It’s [bitching about the deficit] a great talking point when you have an administration that’s Democrat-led. It’s a little different now that Republicans have both houses and the administration.”

    -Representative Mark Walker (R-NC)

    -----

    You don't say?

    Republicans whined endlessly abut the deficit, but now that they are at the helm, well... as Dick "Dick" Cheney said "deficits don't matter."

    Of course, according to Republicans, deficits only matter Democrats are in control. We can now watch as the Democrats grow a spontaneous concern for deficit and debt which was conspicuously absent during the Obama years.

    • Now we know that increased money in the pocket, on three occasions has resulted in lowering the deficit and increasing tax revenues, Kennedy, Reagan and Clinton. What makes you think this time would be different?

      My brilliant eldest son and I started this one over the weekend. he pointed out how well the nation did in the past with much higher marginal tax rates. this particularly under Eisenhower and Truman.

      I did not have the opportunity to point out that the state tax and local tax bite in those days, income tax, gas tax, sales tax, property tax was a FRACTION of what is paid today. Lump them all together and see where you come out in 2017 vs. 1957.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Personally I do not find it disrespectful of veterans. I know many think the flag is linked to vets but that is not why I find the kneeling OFFENSIVE. It is because it is a deliberate act of disrespect. By people who have not known anything close to real oppression. Some were raised dirt poor and others not so much.

    By the way Mathius, Tim Tebow was forced by the NFL Commissioner to remove the bible references on his eye black tape. But now the same guy is allowing entire teams to violate the league rules of conduct regarding the National Anthem.

  28. Mayor Rahm Emanuel has once again invited aldermen to share their ideas for generating new revenue to bridge a budget gap approaching $260 million because of his promise to assume $80 million in security costs for the Chicago Public Schools.
    On Wednesday, rookie Ald. Raymond Lopez (15th) answered the call, but in a way that will require the city to spend $4.5 million upfront to get millions more in return.
    Lopez wants to hire enough new employees to give every one of the city’s 50 wards its own officer to enforce quality-of-life violations that routinely go unpunished.
    Chicago has a ton of laws on the books that cover everything from home-sharing, illegal parking and panhandling to noise violations, street peddling, failing to shovel snow from the sidewalk in front of your home and operating a business without the proper license.
    But the problem is that most of the laws that aldermen pass are unenforced or seldom enforced.
    If each ward had one employee assigned to do nothing but write tickets, Chicago neighborhoods would be cleaner and safer and the city could potentially generate many more millions than it costs to hire the new super ticket-writers, Lopez said.

    This, while we have the NFL issue about protesting oppression going on. SMH

  29. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/exclusive-fake-black-activist-social-media-accounts-linked-to-russian-government/ar-AAsAQZO?

    http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/27/media/facebook-black-lives-matter-targeting/index.html

    I can’t see any of this being helpful to Trump’s campaign, because, well, he’s a white supremacist, according to the Left. Based on these instances, they were colluding with HRC (who the hell WASN’T). 🙂

    • I bet 50-50. This is the remedial course for kids who could not make it out of the box. Usually deficient in Math or Science. I am fairly sure that OSI will track down the idiot(s) who sent this.

      • The Sacramento Bee reported:

        Kaepernick, who was raised in Turlock, turned 18 in 2005, but he has not registered to vote in California at any point in the last decade, according to records maintained by the California Secretary of State. He also did not register in Nevada while he attended the University of Nevada, Reno, from 2006 to 2010, according to the Washoe County Registrar of Voters.
        That means he missed presidential elections in 2008 and 2012 – when Democrat Barack Obama was elected president – in addition to a variety of state and local elections in other years.

  30. Test

  31. Anybody want to tell me what the hell went on in Green Bay yesterday? it was being touted as a “protest” by the media. Today it is a solidarity, rah! rah! pro America unity thing.

    • No NFL players kneeled. They all stood, arm in arm and many put hand over heart. The fans all stood and the vast majority put hand over heart or saluted. Just prior, the fans chanted USA. I think the NFL has learned a lesson, but Sunday will be a better gauge of that.

  32. Ahhh…test good……

    Ok, to Mathius…..

    Allow a simpoe old semi retired old Colonel who knows nothing to answer your question of the military and the “kneeling”. This is what I am being told from veterans and active duty alike….about 150 of them.

    The older Veterans…aged 55 and older, see it as being disrespectful to our Country. We could care less about the kneeling before the Anthem or after the Anthem as long as respect is given to the Anthem/Flag while it is playing. It is respect……the same respect that the “kneelers” claim that they are trying to get. In addition, the older Vets ( notice I am talking Veterans ) throw the “BS” flag on the reasons…..Most of us, me included, who grew up in the “true racist” period….1950’s-1970, understand what true racism is today. Not this “perceived” racism that is out there…..and we say perceived because we feel that it truly is….it simply does not exist any longer. As a matter of fact, most of us feel that there is ‘reverse discrimination’. I saw many posts on here about being singled out by the police. I drove a muscle car in the 60’s. I had a 1967 Firebird 400, ram air, Tyro Blue with racing stripes,350 horse as a result of over-bore. I was 18 years old and got pulled over all time….and when I say all the time….I estimate that I would get pulled over at least once per week. Why? Simply because I was a young white kid driving a beefed up “babe mobile”, and, because of my age and it was the ‘Hippie ‘ generation, it was assumed that I was guilty of having either marijuana or beer in my car. I was made, without search warrant, to open the trunk of my car so it could be examined. We also knew that if we ran from being pulled over we would have our tires shot out. Pretty standard back then. HOWEVER, the same kid….me……driving my mother’s canary yellow convertible Thunderbird NEVER got pulled over because…….it was my mother’s car. We even named the officers that would pull us over. Is that discrimination or racism? I did not look at it that way. I simply did what the officers asked with no back talk. Back then, if you “sassed” the officers…you were in handcuffs very quickly. I then graduated to a 1969 gold GTO 428, “stick”, with Henke headers, cheater slicks, and competition Henke clutch. The same thing happened…..got pulled over all the time simply because it was a muscle car. And, of course, because I was a “rich kid”, I was guilty of carrying marijuana and beer. THEN, got married…sold the GTO…..drove a 1970 white Le Mans Pontiac, automatic…standard hub caps…..Never got pulled over again.

    Ok back to the story….so us old time Vets….especially Combat Veterans….see the flag as a symbol of freedom ( not persecution ) and the Anthem a symbol of Patriotism ( not blind allegiance ) to the USA. Even in Vietnam, which was a political War, we military still held the standard, Old Glory, in high regard and still do today. Because, it stood fpr something back then. We see it as this…….”Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.” We look at the kneeling and actually laugh and say your welcome….because without us, you would be dead. BUt their freedom is what we serve for….to have those rights to do what they want.

    My active duty friends are more vocal about it. They see it as a slap in the face at them. And then, when you have black comedians, Nancy Pelosi, Rap stars, etc. make comments about the military being racist because they honor the flag…….it really pisses them off. BUT….us older guys calm them down and remind them why they are in the uniform.

    One other thing that I find quite interesting……the blacks and Hispanics in uniform do NOT like the kneeling during the anthem either. The blacks and Hispanics that I encounter have never complained of racism.

    So, to us, it boils down to respect. The same respect that the Kneelers claim they want. So, if they want respect…kneel before the Anthem…..then, out of respect, stand. No one will say a word.

  33. Question: Someone explain to me, please, where Regarding Trump’s proposed deficit-exploding tax cuts for the rich: is supposed to be?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Colonel

      The benefits being tossed around are elimination of the estate tax and elimination of the AMT.

      I can see both as beneficial to the “rich”. But there is another one that helps the wealthier folks.

      That is a 25% top tax rate on pass through income. This would obviously help out those who make more money in these entities or who’s investment income comes in this form. Which is probably going to be the wealthier folks.

      Frankly, I find Mr. Trump’s proposed tax “reform” and “largest tax cut in history” a JOKE. A very bad JOKE that seems to have no real thinking attached. And from the rumblings about he Republican plan theirs sounds no better. Gingrich last night tried to claim us working folks will save money with the new “simple plan” because we won’t have to hire tax preparation experts to do our taxes. Do they really think the avg. person hires accountants to do their taxes?

      Per Mr. Trump yesterday. The average American will save $1000 per year. They can use this money to make home improvements or cover expenses. This shows a serious disconnect between the elite and the common man. For a $1000 I might be able to change out the light bulbs in the house and change the door knobs.

      Here is the FIRST FLAW in the whole tax debate. WHO are the Rich? WHAT is the income level that determines rich? SECOND FLAW is related. WHAT is the income spread that determines middle class? Throwing around these terms to inflame the public is dishonest and offers no solutions based on reason. It becomes nothing more than an emotional ploy.

      As for the rabid opposition to Tax reforms proposed by Mr.Trump, and/or the Republicans, I think the following quote from a NYT article reveals the real issue they have.

      “Mr. Trump’s plan also continues a long-term march away from progressive taxation. The federal income tax is the centerpiece of a longstanding bipartisan consensus that wealthy Americans should pay an outsize share of the cost of government.”

      This is also why they oppose the Fair Tax or any form of Flat Tax.

      • Sorry JAC…..too many straw arguments here……Let’s look. FIRST, you are entirely correct about defining whom is rich. What is rich? I certainly am not in this 1% but I am very comfortable with excess spendable income. I see this as a positive in that it goes back into the community…..mom and pop stores and not into a general revenue National Fund. But what is rich? Allow me an example……I pay myself $50 per year salary through my Sub (s) corp. Except 2017 will be the first year I will have taxes deducted from Social Security because the government makes you take it at my age. I was willing to wait until age 75 but they say no….Now, is a Sub (s) available only to the well off or rich? NO……it is available to every single person out there, including those on welfare. It takes some work to set one up and it takes thinking. Some lazy ass person watching TV and collection welfare and free medical and things absolutely lacks incentive to get off their ass. But a Sub s Corp is available to every single person out there. So, if it is available, how can you or anyone say it favors the rich.

        The estate tax is not an income tax and does not favor the person who just died. It is a penalty for saving and building personal income. But eliminating the estate tax favors every single person that has assets. Including the poor who are already exempt. So, if the estate tax favors everyone…..why are the rich singled out?

        That is a 25% top tax rate on pass through income. This would obviously help out those who make more money in these entities or who’s investment income comes in this form. Which is probably going to be the wealthier folks. I cannot argue this point but I see no unfairness. But like Mathius and others who live in high tax states, if the state and local taxes remain deductible, then explain the unfairness. They save money through deductions….why not pass through income?

        Do they really think the avg. person hires accountants to do their taxes? Yes, I think most people who file their tax use some form of professional whether it is H/R Block or a personal accountant.

        For a $1000 I might be able to change out the light bulbs in the house and change the door knobs. Perhaps….but it is still $1,000 for you to decide how to spend it. Doorknobs, reducing debt, food…it is still $1,000 not going to the government to spend on bridges to nowhere.

        The federal income tax is the centerpiece of a longstanding bipartisan consensus that wealthy Americans should pay an outsize share of the cost of government.”
        I do not know what to say to this except…….it is the flaw you should be talking about.

        Anyway…..investment in the future depends on what comes out of Congress.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Colonel

          You Sir are guilty of changing the arguments. You asked where the tax breaks for the rich were in the new proposal. I showed you where they were. Then you change this to how is the code singling out the Rich vs. others.

          Those are two different issues. The proposed tax breaks will result in greater savings to those most consider Rich. Because people with money are the majority who are affected. That doesn’t mean poor people can’t use the means it just means that people with money are the vast majority who are affected in a positive manner.

          For example, the estate tax does not affect poor people. So eliminating it will ONLY help those who have assets in excess of the current exemptions. You going to argue those are poor people?

          These are not straw arguments. They are simple facts.

          By the way, people who do not have a legitimate business can’t utilize the pass thru entities. And an LLC gets the same tax treatment, along with LLP’s and regular Partnerships.

          • Well you are correct…perhaps I changed the argument some. I really get upset when everyone claims the tax proposals ONLY favor the rich. I dispute that claim.

            LLC’s, LLP’s, Sub(s)….are all accessible to all people. Just because people make a choice to not avail themselves of the opportunities, then the blame falls upon those that do choose to take those opportunities. It is true that you cannot utilize the ass through entities….but the point is that they can….even a home grown industry, baking cakes and bread, for example, can become a pass through entity….it is only paperwork.

            Then you change this to how is the code singling out the Rich vs. others.
            Yes, I guess I did change it but it seems to me that you think that the proposal only favors Trump and the rich….I get really upset at this line of thinking because the implication is that no one else can do this and that is a load of crap. Everyone can do it and should do it. I do not buy into the theory that people are poor because they cannot help it…they are poor by choice. Or, I guess I should say, the majority is poor by choice…..whatever poor means. It is the same as rich…..no definition.

            Sorry, but this is a real sensitive issue with me.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Colonel

              I never said it only favors the rich, whatever that means. But it is pretty much a given that the normal kinds of adjustments usually benefit the wealthy more than the poor or middle class.

              But this is because once you get past standard deduction and wage earners, the code can be your friend or your enemy. And the fact that the more money you have the greater the leverage when you reduce the tax burden. For example, the tax savings from the same deduction is greater if you are in the 35% bracket as opposed to the 25% bracket. It is simple math.

              I absolutely agree with how it is always portrayed. Politicized, lying, hyperbole and absolute BS for the most part. That being the usual rhetoric from politicians and the media.

              Which goes back to that comment I posted. The one that you correctly identified as a key flaw. That is this idiotic sacred vow to support a progressive tax code. However, there is an even more fundamental flaw. One that is the root of most of the others.

              Believing that one can impose one’s will upon others. Even worse, that one should impose upon others in order to cause society to behave as one desires. This leads to thinking that you can treat people differently under the law and claim that is Justice.

            • Colonel, I am on the lower side of the economic scale. I make about 25K a year currently as caretaker for my elderly father, through the State. Basically, it’s cheaper to pay mean than to pay a nursing home. It’s OK, I work at home, not many big bills to pay etc. I currently write off quite a lot of unreimbursed work expense and mileage, but still pay Federal taxes around 1400.00. When the Bush tax breaks expired under Obama, I lost 25.00 a pay or 650.00 a year. I’m not sure what the tax proposals are but if it lowers my current tax exposure I’m all for it. As far as the rich getting the better of the deal. First, so F-ing what, I’s none of my business, and it’s none of the business of those who think it is their business.

              It’s been well documented that the top 20% or so pay 80% of all Federal tax, so it only makes sense that they would benefit the most, but again, I don’t care, as long as I benefit too. WE ALL should pay less taxes, as these morons in DC can’t manage it anyway.

              I’ll take my 25 bucks more every two weeks and proudly give 2500 every two weeks to the rich, rhetorically speaking.

  34. test….again

    • ahhh…….ok.

      Yesterday, Fort Worth NAS Joint Reserve Base voted to not turn on any football in the day centers, barracks, elisted and officer’s clubs until the protests stop during the Anthem. In addition, the Dallas Cowboys routinely give 100 cost free tickets with parking passes to the base. Fort Worth NAS Joint Reserve Base has decided not to accept the tickets any longer until the protests stop. It is a drop in the bucket, I realize that, but it does address Mathius’ question. By the way, the vote was not from the commander of the Base….He left it up to all personnel, enlisted and officer alike…the vote, I am told, was not even close. Something like 90% to not watch or turn it on.

      From what I saw on the TV earlier, I am proud of the Wisconsin football fan. They chose not to link arms in response to the request by AAron Rogers……..I hope the management was watching….Rogers was rejected.

      • Then God had the last laugh anyway with his thunder and lightning storm…clearing much of the stadium. I’m jus sayin…….

      • Just A Citizen says:

        D13

        Many fans did lock arms. The MSM made sure they covered this and showed pictures on the news last night. This was the first try. Now we will see if this is the new ploy and if the fans will go along.

        Locking arms was a show of UNITY. I agree this was their purpose. Going back to the Seahawks doing this last year to avoid a “kneeling problem”. But they are showing UNITY for what or with whom? Their team mates who are showing disrespect, who are offending us “others”.

        Here is my take on the larger protests. First, it was a response aimed at Mr. Trump. How dare you attack the NFL players. Owners had to jump in or suffer more labor issues. Second, the league has 75% Black players. The rest have to show unity and/or outright sympathy or suffer malcontent and team disruptions. The mood in that locker room cannot be distracting.

        Bottom line, the PC thing had a major affect. This was and remains integrally linked to the desire to WIN.

        Then of course, there is the issue of misinformed people simply showing sympathy for their friends and team mates because they share a locker room, and they are misinformed.

        • Yes, I knowthat some did lock arms….but they were no where near the majority. Aaron Rogers this morning was surprised that more did not follow his lead.

        • I disagree. Locking arms is not a show of unity…its a sign of DEFIANCE. Same as taking a knee, which you correctly mentioned yesterday was a sign of submission. So they doubled down on stupid.

          • Your right except I don’t know if it’s a sign of stupid. They have managed away of standing for their “cause” while still politicizing sports, without seeming to spit on the flag. But doing the arm linking during the anthem is still using the anthem in their protests.

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Any discussion of TAXES should at least consider the historical revenue perspective. Although I don’t think this should be the criteria, it should be evaluated. Then the expenditures should be evaluated and brought in line. I DO NOT subscribe to the idea that tax reform should be revenue neutral.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    Here is an even better graphic because it includes nominal and adjusted revenue dollars as well as % of GDP. Now SK, take this graph and show your Son why the tax rates in the 1950’s had little to do with our prosperity. In fact it was our prosperity that allowed them to jack up the rates. And the fact that very few people met the higher bracket criteria.

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought of the morning.

    If Police stopping Blacks just because they are Black is truly a problem then we can solve it in less than a month.

    Just stop the Police from trying to PREVENT crime and limit their activity to hunting down actual criminals. Unless there is a complaint filed that includes a description beyond “he was Black” there will be no police action.

    For those that do not know what the result would look like I give you the 70’s and 80’s in places like New York City. We often forget that things are the way they are today because of things that happened in the past. Both good and bad. But there are usually some reason combined with the misconception that more govt. action will help.

    • Something does not make sense, tho. In Chicago, for example, it is black police stopping blacks. Dallas has tried this approach……Black police in black neighborhoods and white police in white neighborhoods….and Hispanic police and Asian types in those neighborhoods. The amount of arrests and traffic stops and shootings did not go down…..the same amount of blacks in the black neighborhood got shot by black police….so it simply does not work. AND, the black police started yelling disparate impact because they said that they had a right to patrol safe neighborhoods. So they were not wanting to be part of the solution.

      Unless, there is a consensus that ALL POLICE are racists against blacks…..and I simply do not believe that it is a SOP ( Standard Operating Procedure ).

      • Black police are OREOS, black on the outside, white on the inside. So, in the Freddie Gray case the fact that three of the six accused cops were white and three black made no difference. None at all. ALL Police are an occupying force. When the guy shot the cops in Dallas, color made no difference. Us New Yorkers know, Officers Laurie and Foster were both Marines who partnered and died together back in the ’70’s. there were more others than I’d like to think about. Scroll though this…..

        https://progunfighter.com/murdered-by-the-black-panthers/

    • When cops go into predominately black neighborhoods, I’m guessing the blacks think that they should pull over the green people.

    • This also is nothing new…..it has happened before. On either side of the center are tackles….they were considered the “anchor” of the line. When anyone whistled the tune “anchors aweigh”, the defensive line came in. So, nothing new and not beyond the scope of things. It happened in the late 60’s and 70’s.

    • Well, I have to be honest here. The very first thing I thought the other day when this crap got out of hand was if you were a white, you had damned well better kneel if you wanted to keep your head attached to the rest of your body.

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Go Cougs. Great game last night.

  39. Did a little math on the NFL.. Typical ticket price is $90, stadium capacity 75K, 16 games per week, 16 game schedule. So the total ticket sales if all game sell out is $1.66B. A 10% drop in sales means a loss of $166M. That does not include food and beverage or merchandise sales. It also does not include sky boxes, etc.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      TRay

      Nor the TV rights. I understand that is where the real money comes from, along with merchandising.

  40. “FIFTY dead and 200 injured as gunman with terrifying arsenal of weapons opens fire on packed Vegas music festival from 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay hotel: Shooter killed and ‘companion’ caught”

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4939872/Active-shooter-reported-Las-Vegas-Mandalay-Bay-Resort.html#ixzz4uLvaC6d0
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  41. Just A Citizen says:
    • I have always been fond of the Latin phrase, “Primus inter pares” (First among equals) which essentially means that you get respect (and little else) from being there. Essentially I always felt that the respect was for the office not necessarily the individual. Hence ex-generals, congressmen, presidents and senators are addressed by their “rank”.

      During the French Revolution and the Russian Revolution there was great emphasis on addressing everyone as “citizen” or “comrade” to show that they were all equal. While the title remained, as Orwell said, eventually “some animals became more equal than others”.

      I still think there is a lot to be said for taking the highest and mightiest and sending them into the rice paddies for a “sabbatical” every five or so years. I know it is impossible but boy, if it were a requirement to hold office, I wonder what changes we would see.

      • This is what I was getting at when I said the last 4 presidents went to Harvard/Yale while the current one went to D8U (Bulldozer U). Trump has a lot of blue collar New Yorker in him. He is blunt, off color and practical. All one has to do is remember the fans from the old Polo grounds.

  42. Canine Weapon says:

  43. Canine Weapon says:

  44. Interesting…….shooter……No affiliations, no debt, well-off, no political leanings, no foot print on internet, no foot print on social media, no police record, no terrorist association, no religious affiliation……under the radar completely.

    Wow… stil no word on the weapons…..type, caliber…..not that I can find.

    • So what gives?

      And, Mr. The Colonel, what can be done about shit like this in the future?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        NOTHING. Except maybe respond faster to the shooters location.

      • what can be done about shit like this in the future?

        The most repeated question on the internet the day after…………pick an event…….9-11, the 2016 election, a massive car/truck crash, a mass murder from a hotel window. Outlaw…jet airliner pilots? NO, Bad political candidates? NO, Drivers? NO, Mass murderers? YES. The question is, how to find them before, not after, the fact.

      • Sir Mathius…….this person has no military background, no membership in white supremacy groups….so far, from what I am hearing, he is as clean as Mother Thersa’s habit.

        They are now saying that it was a fully functional automatic weapon. This is not something that you can buy legally nor have a gun shop legally re-tool a semi automatic weapon. You can go on the dark web and find out how to make bombs, kill people, and make weapons but it is not readily available for a common person.

        You can legally own a fully automatic if you are fully registered with the Federal Government and receive a Federal Fire Arm License, and pass, a background check from the FBI, ATF, and the military CID. In other words, almost impossible. It took me three years after returning from Vietnam to register and keep a fully automatic AK-47 that was a war trophy. ( I took it off a lad that tried to stick me with the bayonet end ). I had to register and go through a very intense background check. As I said, it took three years. The procedure was this (1) Pay a tax of $200, (2) Fill out a very lengthy application with the Federal Government and that application required names and addresses of all family members for two generations, (3) Submit photographs, (4) Submit passport size photographs for your permit, (5) Get a “good boy” letter from your Police Chief and record, if any, (6) wait for the investigations from the FBI, ATF, and Military CID (since I was in the military).

        Now, fully automatic weapons registered prior to 1986 are able to be owned by anyone….there are 182,619 registered fully automatic weapons. The 1968 law that was passed outlawed the selling of automtic weapons to civilians. After 1968, fully automatic weapons are only for dealers, manufacturers, military, and police. A dealer may acquire a fully automatic weapon ONLY if the police request a demonstration of a new weapon. If a weapon is delivered to the dealer and the police do not buy it, the weapon must be destroyed.

        Unless this shooter had a fully automatic weapon before 1968, it is doubtful that he got one legally. For example, you can buy a semi automatic for about $600…..a quick check about an hour ago showed that fully automatic weapons, depending on the type, sell for $17,000 and Colt factory automatics go for $25,000 and up. UZI’s today bring a minimum of $12,000. So, unless you can get one on the black market….and you can….they are very expensive.

        Now, you can convert almost any weapon into a fully automatic weapon with the correct bolt and sear. However, a proper metal hardened sear that is manufactured sell for $25,000
        and weighs about 0.25 per ounces. Do the math….to purchase the type of steel that it takes to make a proper sear for any weapon runs $108,000 per ounce.

        Even owning an “auto glove” is illegal.

        *****Something is amiss, however. I want to know the type of weapon. I also want to know if it was belt fed or drum fed. From what I heard on the cell phone pictures, it was drum fed but I do not know. Just going on experience from being shot at by both types. For some reason, this information is being kept silent. There are only two reasons for this…..some link to illegal weapons sales or a link to a gun running scheme somewhere that they do not want public.

        One other thing that you may want to know. Gun shows have been somewhat a target for illegal weapon sales. This is simply not true. YOu can get almost anything in Texas from tanks to slingshots…..( If you research this, you will find that but you cannot get a fully automatic weapon. The registry has been closed in the United States since 1986 for civilians and private individuals. Here is the Texas Law.

        ” It is illegal to intentionally or knowingly possess, manufactur, transport, repair or sell a machine gun. However, it is a defense to prosecution if the machine gun was properly registered under Federal Law PRIOR to May 19, 1986. ”

        ———————————–

        There is nothing that you can do to stop an illegal gun from entering the United States. So, as soon as the information is released as to how he got this weapon or re-tooled it, we will never know. Now, think about this…Under Fast and Furious, in 2009, the US allowed 6,000 fully automatic weapons to cross the border to Mexico under a mismanaged program and lost every single one of them…no one knows where they are. Secondly, the United States sells automatic weaponry to Mexico routinely. Where are they? It is widely known that the Mexican military, Federales, and other Mexican agencies routinely sell these weapons to third world countries, which did not start until Eric Holder took over. So, they are out there.

      • Sir Mathius…….this person has no military background, no membership in white supremacy groups….so far, from what I am hearing, he is as clean as Mother Thersa’s habit.

        They are now saying that it was a fully functional automatic weapon. This is not something that you can buy legally nor have a gun shop legally re-tool a semi automatic weapon. You can go on the dark web and find out how to make bombs, kill people, and make weapons but it is not readily available for a common person.

        You can legally own a fully automatic if you are fully registered with the Federal Government and receive a Federal Fire Arm License, and pass, a background check from the FBI, ATF, and the military CID. In other words, almost impossible. It took me three years after returning from Vietnam to register and keep a fully automatic AK-47 that was a war trophy. ( I took it off a lad that tried to stick me with the bayonet end ). I had to register and go through a very intense background check. As I said, it took three years. The procedure was this (1) Pay a tax of $200, (2) Fill out a very lengthy application with the Federal Government and that application required names and addresses of all family members for two generations, (3) Submit photographs, (4) Submit passport size photographs for your permit, (5) Get a “good boy” letter from your Police Chief and record, if any, (6) wait for the investigations from the FBI, ATF, and Military CID (since I was in the military).

        Now, fully automatic weapons registered prior to 1986 are able to be owned by anyone….there are 182,619 registered fully automatic weapons. The 1968 law that was passed outlawed the selling of automtic weapons to civilians. After 1968, fully automatic weapons are only for dealers, manufacturers, military, and police. A dealer may acquire a fully automatic weapon ONLY if the police request a demonstration of a new weapon. If a weapon is delivered to the dealer and the police do not buy it, the weapon must be destroyed.

        Unless this shooter had a fully automatic weapon before 1968, it is doubtful that he got one legally. For example, you can buy a semi automatic for about $600…..a quick check about an hour ago showed that fully automatic weapons, depending on the type, sell for $17,000 and Colt factory automatics go for $25,000 and up. UZI’s today bring a minimum of $12,000. So, unless you can get one on the black market….and you can….they are very expensive.

        Now, you can convert almost any weapon into a fully automatic weapon with the correct bolt and sear. However, a proper metal hardened sear that is manufactured sell for $25,000
        and weighs about 0.25 per ounces. Do the math….to purchase the type of steel that it takes to make a proper sear for any weapon runs $108,000 per ounce.

        Even owning an “auto glove” is illegal.

        *****Something is amiss, however. I want to know the type of weapon. I also want to know if it was belt fed or drum fed. From what I heard on the cell phone pictures, it was drum fed but I do not know. Just going on experience from being shot at by both types. For some reason, this information is being kept silent. There are only two reasons for this…..some link to illegal weapons sales or a link to a gun running scheme somewhere that they do not want public.

        One other thing that you may want to know. Gun shows have been somewhat a target for illegal weapon sales. This is simply not true. YOu can get almost anything in Texas from tanks to slingshots…..but you cannot get a fully automatic weapon. The registry has been closed in the United States since 1986 for civilians and private individuals. Here is the Texas Law.

        ” It is illegal to intentionally or knowingly possess, manufactur, transport, repair or sell a machine gun. However, it is a defense to prosecution if the machine gun was properly registered under Federal Law PRIOR to May 19, 1986. “

      • That’s easy, every news outlet should be able to use the shooter’s name once and only once. There after refer to them as an evil scumbag. Deny the shooters the posthumous notoriety they crave.

      • All you had to do was listen. Not bang, bang, bang but the brrrrrrrrruppptttt. Hell of a way for people to learn the difference. Last time something like this happened was that California Bank Robbery that went bad.

  45. Man!!! RIP Tom Petty. What a sad 24 hr cycle. A new one I’d never heard til today. Very fitting for today’s political climate.

  46. Sir Mathius….you can’t prevent it. The law is already on the books about owning a machine gun……I really need more information. I suspect that the serial numbers, unless filed off, are traceable….I am wondering if this weapon, if not re-tooled, is one of the 6,000 weapons allowed into Mexico under Fast and Furious in 2009. In addition, the US has sold to Mexico over 125,000 automatic weapons in the last 10 years for their army, Federales, etc. It is well known that Mexican federales and Amry personnel routinely well their weapons to the cartels.

    If this guy has a history of mental illness is about the only way and that means that you make a medical history part of the back ground check.

    • Oops……well=sell

      • Now I have been hearing that is one of those bump fire stocks. Here is a link. This shit is pure trouble. G–damn it!

        Regarding the “old fashioned way”, In 1966 I bought a Remington Nylon 66 from a friend who needed cash because of a rather large dent he put in Dad’s Oldsmobile when he was not supposed to be driving it. When he gave me the rifle, he gave me a spare bolt he had made in shop class. This was the “fully auto” bolt. It turned that little tube fed .22 into an automatic weapon as long as the trigger was held down. Took the rifle and bolt home and then threw the extra bolt away. Who needed the grief? Even at 19 I knew that.

  47. Canine Weapon says:
  48. https://thehornnews.com/youre-fired-cbs-exec-lost-job-nasty-vegas-comment/

    This isn’t the only Social Media comment I have seen like this. Perfect example of how some Lefties actually think.

    • Intersting….the picture shows a clip fed AR 15 with the selector switch in semi mode.

      I doubt that was the fully automatic weapon. The other picture shows a clip fed AR 15 which someone labeled “bump” stock…..it is not a bump stock.

      But the interesting thing…..both weapons are in semi fire select mode…not auto fire.

      What I heard was not an AR 15….what I heard was pure auto fire and a heavier weapon.

      G man…..look closely……picture one shows 5.56 shell casings….picture two, hazy though it is, appears to be 7.62 shell casing……what do you see?

      BOth weapons are 5.56 that are pictured….both appear to be commercial semi automatics….which would account for the selector swith being in that mode.

  49. Please excuse the tone of the following rant:

    Dear Liberal pundits, politicians and anyone else who are talking gun control. Spare me your fucking lying bullshit and fake sadness. Blacks have been getting killed daily in Chicago and you assholes say little to nothing all year, then one whackball nutcase flips out and NOW you jump on the fucking gun control bandwagon. Your disingenuous pieces of garbage who are now proving that you are truly the racist fucks that you claim Conservatives are. Fuck you, fuck you stupid bullshit cries for change and just plain fuck you!!!!!!

    Thank You, please excuse the language. You may return to your regular schedule 🙂

  50. I’m going into conspiracy theory mode because too much doesn’t add up. This article, for instance, lays it out like this…550+ shots in 4 minutes give or take. That many bullets going thru a whatever, would melt the barrels. So the theory is more than one gunman. And who knows if the gunman was actually Paddock? With all the deep state shinanigans going on to stop Trump, I wouldn’t put anything past them.
    http://www.rense.com/general96/dontaddup.html

    • With the guns being magazine fed, they wouldn’t melt. He used more than one which would allow the others to cool down. Sadly, people who know NOTHING about automatic weapons speak, when they should remain silent.

      I have actually tried to melt an M-60 barrel. It was shot out and lacked accuracy, so I loaded up a 1500 round belt, sandbagged it and pulled the rope trigger from a distance. It was belt fed, but that didn’t matter because M-60’s malfunction, even when it great condition. The heat does things and suddenly a stove pipe, then a boom, then wait to fix and try again. I’ve shot a great deal of automatics and lots of rounds, never melted nothing. But it was fun 🙂

    • The Bump Fire stock doesn’t convert semiautomatic rifles to true automatic fire. Rather, it provides an effective means of engaging a gun’s trigger extremely quickly. Instead of pulling back the trigger to fire, the user places his or her finger slightly in front of the trigger and pushes the whole gun forward with steady pressure. The trigger hits the finger and the round goes off. Recoil pushes the gun back, but the shooter’s forward pressure immediately returns the trigger back to the finger, and so the gun fires off another round faster than the blink of an eye.

      For my second Amendment friends…..other than competition shooting….why would you have a bump stock?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Colonel

        The military gets to have autos, we don’t. Bump stock seems to even the odds a bit.

        Nuff said.

        If the Govt. doesn’t respect you then they had better fear you. Credit to Uncle Red for that one.

    • Anita…that used to be true..it would degrade the lands and grooves of the rifling inside the barrel…that used to be called melting. Most likely they expand because of the heat and then they jam….a common misgiving of the original M16 in Vietnam.

      I, likewise, have fired a m60 so fast in combat and the things just jammed. Geat weapon when they work and the barrel can get so hot you cannot touch it….but clip fed….it just doesn’t. Belt fed and drum fed…yes…it would degreade the rifling in the barrel. with two weapons and running back and forth and reloading…..he could do it.

      I have to really think long and hard….I am quite sure I heard full automatic…..

      • Colonel, listen to the bump fire video. Sort of sounds damn near to full auto to me. She starts out with three round bursts then goes “SIMULATED!!!!!” full auto. By the way…..simulated my ass. This was one dumb Obama BATF move.

        Regarding ruining the barrels. This was a one time only affair. Again, listen to the video, she is using a drum like the old MG-42.

        • I did listen to it and watched the video….twice….but she put the weapon on full auto and held the trigger down. I watched very closely……something is not kosher here. And yes, it was a drum…probaly a MG 42…sure looked like it.

          • There are a whole lot of those video’s on you tube. This was a bad idea which just became a whole lot worse. Few people knew of it (or cared) before. I had heard of it but never followed up. Now every idiot that owns an AR or clone Kalashnikov is gonna buy one before they get banned. It is interesting doing teh research BATF took them off the shelves in ’05 but then reversed themselves in ’11 during the Obama years. Turns out that the big O could have actually used his Executive powers to keep them banned. The issue revolves around the definition in the 1934 Firearms act of an “automatic weapon”. monkeying with the receiver to make it full auto is totally illegal. Installing the bump fire device to allow the action to ride back then jump forward and allow the trigger to discharge without exerting new pressure is legal. The result though is identical. My gunsmithing skills plus a badly worn secondary sear on my Garand taught me that all you have to do is eliminate the secondary sear and you get full auto. Boy you should seen the face on that range officer when the whole 8 Round clip went off at once.

            • Well, I had heard of them but actually thought that they were more trouble than worth….however….seeing the video and seeing them on the Ar’s……wow. They will be banned pretty quick.

              As to your Garand….I have an old M1 Garand…..great weapon but heavy. I cannot imagine 8 rounds going off at once….much less trying to hold it steady.Hell, it kicked enough as it was.

              But….I do have to ask the question……have you had your M1 Thumb?

              • Everyone has to have at least one.

              • But of course! You do learn quickly though. Field stripping an SKS or Tokarev Rifle can yield the same result. Field stripping a G-43 can hit you in the jaw.

                By the time the eighth round came out it was pointing straight up. The armorer from the 102nd Engineers wanted to drill one little hole in my AR receiver and add or exchange I believe two little parts. He thought it a great idea. Me, not so much.

                Regarding burned out barrels, reminds me of a Dad story. He was standing on the berm at the end of the runway in England watching P-38’s land. Since the four 50 cal’s were all electrically fired, on landing a switch shorted out and all four guns went off at once and used all the ammo. Dad said, from behind the berm, by the time the last round went off the tracers were coming out sideways.

            • Stephen, the worse “smasharoo” that I have encountered thus far….is not getting my middle and ring finger out of the way of a .50 cal machine gun mount on the M60A3 tank on the firing range. lost both finger nails and have a permanent flat spot on the middle finger (comes in handy at times). Both finger nails grew back a little awkwardly….but they are there.

              You have reminded me about warning folks not to stand behind the M60 machine gun when you disasse,ble the operating bolt…..that spring is pretty tight in there. I have seen one shoot out about 30 feet when not released properly. But the toughest field strip to me is the M1911 .45 caliber……that detent spring is so small and tightly compressed and important that when you forget about it and it goes into orbit, you better find it….or you have a great paper weight.

  51. Now, on the Antifa front…..Watch and LISTEN. This fine upstanding lady protestor is carrying a PIPE! Hear the clunk when the cop stops her. Listen again when she drops it at the end. A PIPE? What, she could not find a broomstick for her flag? I woudl have grabbed her for resisting and dangerous weapon. Cops were very nice.

  52. Canine Weapon says:
    • You need to grab some Kibbles and Bits and go sit in the corner.

      • VH…you will find, when you do your own research, that the anti gun lobby does not have much to stand on. They love to quote statistics when the stats favor their position. They love to quote England and Canada and countries that have very strict guns laws……they love to say, see? no gun deaths….what they fail to point out is their rate of deaths did not go down…suicides were the same or greater…just different means. Domestic abuse did not go down…just different means. So, what this person who wrote the article points out is relatively true.

        • Discounting the outliers like Las Vegas, I still think that we are as violent as we are because of our diversity. With this population which is in no way homogeneous as it is in other countries thee are not the same “values”. . I wonder in a few years what crime will look like in Western Europe where the indicators are all starting to tick up as they embrace diversity.

          The wife and I were wondering just what damage could be done at a 20,000 person venue on a flat surface like the Great Lawn in NY’s Central Park if a perp stole a cement truck and did doughnuts through the crowd during a performance of “Aida”.

          The bump-stock-fire thing was a bit of a surprise to me.I tend to keep up on technology but had myself thought this just an ineffective toy. The hooples on You Tube now defending it are a riot. They are saying how no “reasonable” shooter would have one since they are inaccurate after three rounds. Correct me if I am wrong Colonel but back in ’69, I remember my three round burst at about 50 meters from an M-16 hitting stomach, neck and head (top of head) in that order. The fourth round would have taken down a low flying duck. Even the vaunted Mi14 A2, heavy barrel was not reliable for accuracy on auto fire. You need something like a 25 lb BAR. Never got shoot a SAW how are they? My one experience with a Thompson as heavy as it was, had me going to three round bursts almost immediately.

          • Here is my experience. The only accurate fully automatic weapon that have ever found was one that was on a tripod or otherwise secured to a field of fire with zero rings. Shooting an automatic on a firing range is one thing, like the video showed….in true reality, 3-5 round bursts is the appropriate rate of fire with any accuracy. Even in a prone position with a bi-pod, the rate of accuracy fire was three to five rounds…the rest of the rounds wasted somewhere in the atmosphere. The SAW, old BAR’s, etc were designed for defensive only. AND, when carried on patrols and things, you needed an ammo bearer to carry enough ammo. In Vietnam, we assigned the m60 gunner and two m16 soldiers to only fire fully auto when ambushed and the reason for that was not accuracy but it was the sound of a shit pot full of rounds going out to make people duck for cover or flinch for even 5 seconds. Five seconds saves multiple lives. THEN, everyone switched to semi automatic including five round bursts to the M60 machine gun. Fully auto wastes ammunition and no commander, me included, allowed fully auto only in defensive positions with unlimited ammo.

            The shooter in Vegas…..had one purpose…maximum casualties. He was smart. He went up high to shoot down….400 yeards away. He aimed low and the resulting rise in fully auto sprayed an area of several hundred feet. He could even do some “X” action and still keep his rounds in the target area of three acres from 400 yards away and 350 feet above his targets. Think of the damage that could have been done with a seasoned military trained shooter who knows how to divide target areas into sectors. You or I could have tripled the casualties in half the time and gone for coffee.

            The same shooter at ground level probably would have killed 10…..maybe.

  53. Stephen…..funny thing about the M1911…..it is one hell of a weapon. You can fire it in the mud, sand storms, under water……but it is a B I T C H to clean. I am talking the classic 1911…..not these bew fangled ACP’s.

    • At the seventh regiment armory once, years ago, I had the privilege to fire a vintage 1911 with the most beautiful bluing job I had ever seen. This was a 1917 manufacture. That gun, god did that gun shoot like nothing before or since. The 7th Regt. (the silk stocking regiment) was the armory of the rich and famous on Park Avenue with many of the interior rooms and appliances actually designed by Louis Comfort Tiffany himself. \

      https://dmna.ny.gov/historic/armories/NewYorkCityParkAvenue7thRegiment.html

      • Fortunately, in 1976, when the National Guard Amory in Fort Worth was transitioning to the newer sidearms….they sold off there vintage 1911’s. I bought two of them complete with spare parts. I wore one in Desert Storm, Bosinia, and Afghanistan…..and literally had to keep it on me because the old time sergeants that have been in the Army since Moses was a mess cook, wanted them so bad they warned me not to sleep. Both were 1917 vintage and no finer weapon exists today with the knock down power than these two….and I have a current Smith and Wesson ACP 45…..good weapon…..easy to fire….but it is just not the same.

        With the new laws in place now, where you can marry anything and everything….I have considered entering into matrimonial affairs with the 1911 vintage 1917 models…….spousal unit just looks at me and says…..if that is the only thing you have an external love affair with, then I am doing well. I have a room all to myself, called the War Room, that has all of my weapons. ammo, military paraphenalia…..everything up on the walls………you know the drill. It is a reverent room where one must observe all the traditional things like bowing before entering, talking in hushed reverent tones, saluting before leaving…a room where the flag is treated with respect and folded and stored properly in sealed cases…..I know you get the drift……..

  54. I just arranged going out to the firing range at the Reserve base to fire a “bump” stock….I am interested in seeing it.

    • Let us know. I’d be interested in finding out.

      • ok…off to find out…..talk to you later.

        • One other thing. My eldest who is now on the Lt. Colonel list for next year,(effing amazing!) was one of the young Turks who, behind the scene agitated to return ROTC to the colleges that banned it in the 1970;’s. They had to be very circumspect because early on they discovered the Army was uncomfortable to say the least with ROTC units in cities. Even when Steve got the one year medical recruitment gig at Ft. Hamilton Brooklyn, he only got it because the designated southerner did not want to be anywhere near NYC.

          When I was looking up the 7th Regiment Armory in Manhattan, I thought of all the Armories I used to visit, even in the early 70’s which are all gone. Kingsbridge was humongous housing numerous howitzer batteries and the whole of the 258th FA. The 168th St. Manhattan Armory held the whole of the 102nd engineers. Park Avenue was huge with the rainbow division. The 14st Street Armory was almost a new building (since demolished) and the 145th Street Armory was the 369th Inf. (Harlem Hellfighters) home. NY City headquartered the Rainbow, Statue of Liberty and Orion Division. Not no more.

          There were numerous others throughout the five boroughs and if I look at my 1962 Atlas of NY City you can see small reserve bases everywhere. Hell, I think we even had a reserve SF Group. The radio personality Barry Gray belonged. Today, it is almost all gone.

          Was there a decision by the Army to get out of Cities to your knowledge? When I remember the number of neighborhood characters who belonged, I am amazed that there is nothing like it today. NYC seems to have been written off. I read Sean Flynn’s book on the Fighting 69th in Iraq and was disappointed in seeing just how shrunken the NY footprint in the unit was. Pre WW1, the interwar years, WW2, Post WW2 this was a powerhouse unit.

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