Why Are The Left and Right At War?

thHF58L14RYes, it is a war too.  It’s happening in Europe and here.  The divide can no longer be ignored.  It’s a significant difference in ideology.  Maybe a discussion on this difference could be fruitful, maybe not.  But it’s time for a new thread, so here goes.  The Left, or those who espouse Socialism (or Communism, Fascism, or Progressivism et el.) are in simple terms Collectivists.  They follow the Greater Good theory, or, what is best for the many over rides the few.  This is always a great thing to the Left (until they find themselves as “the FEW” ).  On the other side are the Individualist’s who believe in personal responsibility and freedom for all.  The Collectivist’s like to tell others what is right and wrong and how things should be, while the Individualist’s would just prefer to be left alone and not bothered with the Collectivist’s rants. Hence, today’s current political wars.

Not much else needs to be said, so debate away.  🙂




  1. 😎

  2. Hmmmm, I find there are a lot of people inbetween a true individualist and a true collectivist, and most are quite good at telling people what is right or wrong. But it is indeed a war.

  3. Ballot proposition to split CA into 3 states.

    This would create NorCal which includes San Fran and Sacramento, Cali which runs along the coast from LA to Monterrey, and SoCal which is the San Joaquin Valley and And Diego. The deck is stacked with each new state containing significant democratic urban strongholds that will overrule the rural counties. This is a nonstarter.

    • Is this just an attempt by the Crats to get control of the Federal government?

      I agree, it will go nowhere.

    • We always look at the political aspects of this type of thing, At least I tend too. But there are a lot of other aspects, mainly economical that make it highly doubtful.

  4. Moderation, please

  5. Leftist media talking points…Trump voters are cultists.

    After all, it’s worked so well for them in the past 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Wow. Just plain Wow.

      It looks as though you cannot trust anyone if you are involved in international business or political work. Spies, thieves, thugs and more spies it would seem.

  6. Revisiting for a moment what is “appropriate” for public consumption on a street paid for by “all” taxpayers.


    • That’s tame( not that it’s good) compared to ones I’ve seen before, you think it’s the location that makes the difference. Or are they learning that intentionally being as crude as you can backfires with most reasonable people.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Because nothing creates RESPECT from others like acting idiotic in public.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    Well written and excellent argument. I was not aware of the FAA discrimination suit. But the methodology supposedly used by the Obama Administration is consistent with what I saw and reported here years ago. They were pretty expert at how to game the systems to achieve their goals. Better, in fact, than the Clintons or Algorians. Maybe because they learned from them.


  8. Just A Citizen says:

    For once, I offer something on the topic. In this case it is a viewpoint from the “right”. Although I disagree over what is “right” and “left” I will conceded the author’s viewpoint for sake of getting the point across.


    • Just A Citizen says:

      One of the comments on this article pretty much summarizes the viewpoints of many.

      “aar33178 • 5 hours ago
      I am the son of political exiles, a survivor of communism, and I disagree with the author on one thing: they are our enemies. They are our enemies, because consciously or not, they’re working towards “transformational change”, that is, deconstructing America. None of these subtypes are innocents, they’re either perpetrator or are aiding and abetting; to me, they’re the same people who infected my birthplace, and now they’re here in my country.”

      Let me add that it is not just “deconstruction” that is the issue. It is that the “left” has finally begun to be open about what they intend to replace the “old” with. As Mr. Obama clearly stated, the Constitution is flawed because it does not contain a list of “positive rights”. This must be fixed per him and his fellow leftists.

      • I guess it is worthwhile to point out how the Communists dealt with “counter revolutionaries”. Somebody who wants to overthrow our system and create “fundamental change” in a system by NOT using the mechanisms provided in our constitution certainly fits the definition of a counter revolutionary.

  9. As I feared the IG report is a big nothing. Never bothered addressing the fact that the Clinton Inquiry was mishandled (at the least) from day one. Wray was also a big nothing. Lord, I miss J. Edgar.

    Does “the fox guarding the hen house ring any bells”?

    In retrospect Richard Nixon would have been well served by investigating himself.

    • Not much that hasn’t been leaked actually, other than some FBI folks getting gifts from media folks. End result, Comey should have been fired and I expect a few more to go. THe investigation was mishandled and should be redone, but not likely. She’s so over the hill it’s not worth the money anymore.

      500 pages is a lot, more to come.

  10. On November 9, 2016, one day after the 2016 presidential election, an FBI staffer disparaged Trump voters to “FBI Attorney 2,” according to exchanges published in the report.
    10:43:46, FBI Employee: “I’m very upset.”
    10:43:47, FBI Employee: “haha”
    10:51:48, FBI Attorney 2: “I am so stressed about what I could have done differently.”
    10:54:29, FBI Employee: “Don’t stress. None of that mattered.”
    10:54:31, FBI Employee: “The FBI’s influence.”
    10:59:36, FBI Attorney 2: “I don’t know. We broke the momentum.”
    11:00:03, FBI Employee: “That is not so.”
    11:02:22, FBI Employee: “All the people who were initially voting for her would not, and were not, swayed by any decision the FBI put out. Trump’s supporters are all poor to middle class, uneducated, lazy POS that think he will magically grant them jobs for doing nothing. They probably didn’t watch the debates, aren’t fully educated on his policies, and are stupidly wrapped up in his unmerited enthusiasm.”
    Moments later, the attorney lamented how a Trump presidency would erase would erase the Obama administration’s legislative achievements.
    “I just can’t imagine the systematic disassembly of the progress we made over the last 8 years. ACA is gone,” the attorney said.
    “Who knows if the rhetoric about deporting people, walls, and crap is true. I honestly feel like there is going to be a lot more gun issues, too, the crazies won finally. This is the tea party on steroids. And the GOP is going to be lost, they have to deal with an incumbent in 4 years. We have to fight this again.”
    “Also Pence is stupid,” added the attorney.
    When Justice Department investigators asked if the comments demonstrated a political bias, the attorney said, “personal political feelings or beliefs… in no way impacted” the staffer’s work undertaken on either the Clinton email probe or the Russia investigation.


    • The first clue that they had no intention of actually investigating Clinton—– Midyear investigation compared to Crossfire Hurricane.

  11. Mathius says:

    Trump saluted one of Kim’s generals. I’m no expert in etiquette, but I’ve seen a few jokes being made. Is this an actual no-no?

    • As a civilian, he should not be saluting anyone. However, he did go to military school so it may be a simple ingrained reactive response. It is not uncommon for military officers of different countries to salute each other as a form of honor. The Nork initiated the salute so he is recognizing Trumps superior rank. Trump’s return salute is just acknowledging the courtesy although he should have done it a different way.

      I have less of a problem with this than Obama’s bow to the Saudi King. In that case Obama initiated the bow, it was not returned. He definitely displayed subservience to the king which no president should do.

      That is my opinion. I will defer to D13 for the official protocols of salutes.

      • However, he did go to military school so it may be a simple ingrained reactive response.

        Well, I mean, maybe Obama learned his bowing habit at his madrassa? 😛

      • T Ray…..actually the POTUS should return salutes, in my opinion. I know, I know, a civilian should not but that civilian is the CIC of the military…..if anything he has a brevet rank. As much as I hate and despise Obama and his ilk….he should have observed the same courtesy…..had I met him while in uniform, I would have saluted his position…..not the man and I would EXPECT a return salute.

  12. Apparently he returned the salute of the general. You have to remember that it was Reagan who started the POTUS saluting thing. He was asked about it since even Generals elected president never did and his answer, classic Reagan was, I am the Commander in Chief. All presidents since have kept it up.

    Military officers routinely return the salute given by foreign officers. If you watch “bridge on the River Kwai”, you will see the Alec Guinness character insist on the protocol with the brutal Japanese Commander.
    The purpose of the salute was said best by Maj. Dick Winters in this excerpt from “Band of Brothers”.

  13. I’m not convinced the report is a big nothing, Yet. 500 is a lot of pages.


    • How can you produce 500 pages full of negative comments about Trump and his supporters and NOT say it was political. Of course they burned the incriminating memo’s (they certainly had enough warning and time) but the preponderance of circumstantial evidence casts little doubt on their motivation and actions.

      While my good friend Mathius hates it when I point towards anecdotal evidence. I have heard from a very well connected government source who deals with multiple agencies in DC proper that the visceral hatred for Trump and his supporters is all out in the open and on paper from the EPA to the VA to the FDA to the DOA. As a matter of fact, he cannot believe anybody would be dumb enough to circulate some of that stuff on government computers but they do assuming that 100% of everybody else is on board with them. .

      • Mathius says:

        While my good friend Mathius hates it when I point towards anecdotal evidence. I have heard from a very well connected government source who deals with multiple agencies in DC proper that the visceral hatred for Trump and his supporters is all out in the open and on paper from the EPA to the VA to the FDA to the DOA.

        Well, I have heard it from a very well connected government source who deals with multiple agencies in DC proper that Trump is a jerk and deserves all the hatred he gets.

        As a matter of fact, he cannot believe anybody would be dumb enough to circulate some of that stuff on government computers but they do assuming that 100% of everybody else is on board with them. .

        As a chief technology officer, you’d be stunned (or perhaps you wouldn’t) at how stupid people are about putting things in writing that they reaaaaaalllllly shouldn’t.

        • Your first paragraph is golden and says it all. Who needed an IG?

          • Everyone one of these haters should be fired on the spot. It should scare the hell out of people to have people in government who think like this. Right now, it’s an ideological war, but it’s heading towards a bloody one. The Swamp needs seriously drained.

        • Going to take it a step farther.

          “the only thing more dangerous than believing the enemies propaganda is believing your own”. -Joseph Goebbels

          Youse guys, as they used to say in da Bronx, are constantly underestimating him. I watched that 72 year old man take apart the entire White House Press Corps yesterday morning. If you did not see that I suggest you do. Then you can bandy about words like Jerk, Crazy, megalomaniac, fascist, dictator, Supreme Leader or whatever BUT you will understand how he has totally outflanked you.

      • Seems unbelievable to me too. But I don’t know the differences between how an IG works and a regular prosecutor works but I know there are differences. From most of what I’ve been reading, he didn’t say there wasn’t any bias, just that there wasn’t any definitive proof. There seems to be a whole lot of circumstantial proof. But it may take a regular investigator to follow through. So I’m waiting for more information to come out. We will see. Although having anyone who works in this profession going after their own, which will probably hurt them professionally is a high hurtle to get over.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          An IG is charged with overseeing activities within an agency. In this case the IG was given a task, although I do not remember who gave it to him. The IG works within the Agency but has independence to investigate, for many things. Think of the IG as the agencies internal watchdog, assigned by Congress. IG’s cannot indict, but can send information uncovered to DOJ or a State AG.

          An investigator is charged with a particular investigation and can chase all the rabbits he/she wants, within the context of the orders. They can indict as well as forward stuff to State IG’s if they want. The Special Investigator is a special assignment for a particular issue, which could cross agency lines/boundaries or even go internationally.

          • If memory serves me and I’m sure it does, the democrats requested this particular task.

  14. Had no idea, but today is Happy National Bourbon Day! So cheers. 😊

    • Just A Citizen says:


      The questions to this report are easily addressed. Simply take it and then judge it using the same criteria by which Mathius uses to judge, oh, let’s say Mr. Trump.

      As I recall it essentially amounts to “Any rational person would see this XYZ, and accurately judge it to be BullDookey. That the XYZ people involved are nothing but SOB’s, crooked liars, etc. etc. you get to insert your adjective or verb of choice, maybe even a noun. 🙂

      • Common sense, I keep praying the majority still processes this ability, but I’m starting to lose that hope. Actually, I pretty much lost it when Obama was elected for the second time.

  15. ILL PLANTE: Mr. President, when did you first learn that Hillary Clinton used an email system outside the U.S. government for official business while she was Secretary of State?
    BARACK OBAMA: The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports.


    The Left could care less when one of their own gets caught with a total outright LIE but continuously whine about Trumps exaggerations. But, I digress. Considering the video and answer, is it not also possible that almost everything about Obama is also a LIE, considering his past is a secret for the most part? Trump has been RIGHT about a lot of things….think about that 🙂

    • Just A Citizen says:

      As my Son so often has told me, this is what happens when we override the natural selection process.

      • You have to fear for this baby. Hasn’t been that long since I read about another couple, with the best of intentions, starved their child to death.

  16. http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/16/dem-rep-child-migrant-crisis/

    Kept it quiet – wonder how much the media helped with that? Course now that they can blame it on Trump.

  17. Happy Father’s Day!

    • 😀

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Thanks ladies. Full day planned. Off to see friends at Diamond Lake, WA. Then back to CdA for another friends birthday party tonight. Not much “kicking back” but nice to see folks I haven’t seen for a little while.

  18. The mayor of Livermore California explains Trump’s popularity and success. This is perhaps the best explanation for Trump’s popularity ….

    Marshall Kamena is a registered Democrat and was elected mayor of Livermore, CA.. He ran on the democratic ticket as he knew a Bay Area city would never vote for a Republican. He is as conservative as they come. He wrote the following:

    Trump’s ‘lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship’ By Marshall Kamena, Mayor of Livermore, CA.

    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

    Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

    We tried statesmanship.

    Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

    We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

    And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

    I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

    I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

    I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

    Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

    The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

    With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

    During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

    Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

    Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

    That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

    It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

    Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”… Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. … They need to respond.

    This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

    Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

    So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

    These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

    So, say anything you want about this president – I get it – he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!

    • Trigger Warning

      Saw a comment saying that Trump rode the escalator down to street level to be with the people. He could have waived at his minions from on high but he came to them. And , thru his rallies, he has stayed with and is comfortable with them. And it works.

    • Excellent explanation!

  19. Nicely, Nicely!

  20. On this Fathers Day have been thinking much about the “pet” care ads I constantly see on TV. Not to be too obnoxious but would over the top pet owners not be better off adopting some poor child from some God awful country in Africa, the Far East or Latin America? Even if they only gave them here what they give their dogs and cats the kids would be far better off and when the “owners” grow old there might actually be someone around to take care of them? -With apologies to Jonathan Swift.

  21. Interesting………………..so, on the border policy of zero tolerance. It is amazing how the Republicans are letting the Democrats hijack the zero tolerance policy which is a Democratic Law. IT IS THE LAW…and it is not a Republican Law….it is a pure progressive law. Why will the Democrats not sit down and address this ONE PARTICULAR problem…it can be done in five minutes.

    Reason: It is the only thing they have now of creating a problem. They do not care about the children at all….it is a hot button issue. IT IS THE LAW……CHANGE THE FUCKING LAW. RIGHT NOW.

    • But Colonel, they have to have something to offer the voters 😀

      The Liars are using this to change the focus from the IG report. Most of these kids came alone anyway (which the Left neglects to say). I say put them all on planes and ship them home, drop them off and leave. Problem solved.

      On another note, the Liberal media is projecting again, claiming that Republicans are a cult. Sorry folks, but there isn’t a bigger cult mindset than Liberal ideology. They make the People’s Temple look like amateurs.

  22. This weekend there was a movie called Incredibles. It was sold out. It was noisy and inside people complained about the noise level. After the movie, one young person who was complaining got jumped, in the mall, and beat unconcsious…..why? Because he wanted to hear the movie. The despicable issue of the whole thing was three black kids beat up another black kid and it was recorded on several phones with people screaming to kick him and stomp him, which was happening. Over 30 people with their cell phones recording it and NO ONE called 911. NO ONE. They showed the recording on TV news……it was a black theater, with black thugs beating up another black kid and on the recording you could hear people laughing…..I would call this animalistic behaviour.

    Now, the other interesting part of this…………………there were no other races involved….no other races even shown in the background. You might as well have been in the jungles of Africa. I am sure you could find a copy of this incident on the internet somewhere. People are sick.

    • One thing that I just saw on a news report concerning the behaviour of kids after the movie…..some people want to blame it on the lighting in the movie and the fact that warnings are given out about strobes and such triggereing epilepsy episodes and triggers violence in others………………..interesting. I have known about strobes and epilepsy…but now it is violence. So, the beating is apparently the fault of the movie maker.

      • If people want to understand where racism comes from, just look at events like this.

        We all exaggerate, it is our nature as Human beings. Italians are all in the Mob, Scotsmen are cheap, Irish are all drunks, Mexicans are all lazy, Jews will cheat you, and Polacks cannot install light bulbs. Each one of these has its basis in an exaggeration of behavior noted in SOME members of the group.

        When you see black kids riot, beat people up, shoot each other, Just what the hell do you think the 88% of the population that is NOT black is going to think of them?

        This is a relatively NEW view. In the olden days blacks were relegated to Stephan Fetchitt, caricatures of being lazy and shiftless. So, while most other groups have seen their ethnic perception change for the positive as old myths die, blacks have merely traded in one for the other.

        See, this is the analysis you get with 34 credits of history and 53 of psychology.

        The mere fact that I dare say this, even to our small group, would I am sure certify me as a racist to 90% of democrats and about 15% of Republicans none of whom would have the cojones to walk down Morningside Ave or Manhattan Ave or Lenox Ave in Harlem in the daytime let alone after dark.

  23. A “Millennial” is a person reaching young adulthood around the year 2000.
    Generation Z (also known as Post-Millennials, the iGeneration, Founders, Plurals, or the Homeland Generation) is the demographic cohort following the Millennials.

    How Generation Z Differs from Millennials (From Huffpo)

    1. Less Focused

    Today relevant is constantly being refined and Gen Z lives in a world of continuous updates. Gen Z processes information faster than other generations thanks to apps like Snapchat and Vine. Thus their attention spans might be significantly lower than Millennials.

    2. Better Multi-Taskers

    Though Gen Z can be less focused than their Millennial counterparts, in school, they will create a document on their school computer, do research on their phone or tablet, while taking notes on a notepad, then finish in front of the TV with a laptop, while face-timing a friend. You get the picture.

    Gen Z can quickly and efficiently shift between work and play, with multiple distractions going on in the background…working on multiple tasks at once. Talk about multi-multi-tasking. Just think about how this kind of flow might reshape the office.

    3. Bargains

    Millennials care more about prices than Gen Z. This is arguably because they came of age during the recession.

    Sixty-seven percent of millennials surveyed said that they would go to the website to get a coupon, whereas only 46% of Gen Z polled said they would do the same.

    Millennials also tend to click on more ads; 71% of Millennials in a recent poll said they followed an advertisement online before making a purchase, however only 59% of Gen Z’ers said the same.

    4. Gen Z is Full of Early Starters

    Many employers are predicting that more teens, between the ages of 16 and 18 will go straight into the workforce, opting out of the traditional route of higher education, and instead finishing school online, if at all. Would you make a major investment, possibly leading to years of debt to come—knowing there are new, more affordable (not to mention more convenient) online alternatives coming up every day?

    As we’ll discuss later in this post, Gen Z knows the true value of independence, and knowledge is no exception here. If a Gen Z’er knows they are capable of learning something themselves, or through a more efficient, non-traditional route, you can bet they’ll take the opportunity.

    5. Gen Z Is More Entrepreneurial

    According to Gen Z marketing strategist Deep Patel, “the newly developing high tech and highly networked world has resulted in an entire generation thinking and acting more entrepreneurially.” Generation Z desires more independent work environments. As a matter of fact, 72% of teens say they want to start a business someday.

    One apparent recurring factor you might notice throughout this post, is that many Gen Z identifying factors can be traced back to the recession in 2008, from their frugality, to their value of experiences, and increased likelihood to become entrepreneurs. This is an interesting note to take down.

    6. Gen Z Has Higher Expectations Than Millennials

    Millennials remember playing solitaire, coming home to dial-up internet and using AOL. Generation Z was born into a world overrun with technology. What was taken as amazing and inspiring inventions, are now taken as a given for teens.

    “When it doesn’t get there that fast they think something’s wrong,” said Marcie Merriman, executive director of growth strategy at Ernst & Young. “They expect businesses, brands and retailers to be loyal to them. If they don’t feel appreciated, they’re going to move on. It’s not about them being loyal to the business.”

    7. Gen Z Is Big On Individuality

    Gen Z’ers were born social. In fact, nearly 92% of Gen Z has a digital footprint. Arguably as a result of the celebrities and media they follow, Gen Z seeks uniqueness in all walks of life primarily through the brands they do business with, future employers, etc.

    8. Gen Z Is More Global

    Millennials were considered the first “global” generation with the development of the internet, but as more of the world comes online — Generation Z will become more global in their thinking, interactions, and relatability. 58% of adults worldwide ages 35+ agree that “kids today have more in common with their global peers than they do with adults in their own country.” Diversity will be an expectation of Generation Z.

    After asking people “Would you call yourself addicted to your digital devices? (computer, smartphone, etc.),” we found Gen Z’ers are 25% more likely than Millennials to say they are addicted to their digital devices. A full 40% of Gen Z are self-identified digital device addicts.

    This generation grew up with technology, and for them, it’s probably hard to go without their devices. If this younger generation is constantly on their phones or devices and not watching as much live TV, we may experience a massive shift in advertising methods and marketing messages.


    Well, I hate to admit it but this is true. However, what I found particularly interesting….was item number 5. Now, if they are going to be more entrepreneurial….is this not a good thing and anti-progressive? They will find out real quick what it is like in the real world.

    One other thing that I found interesting were the demands of the Gen Z. If you want to communicate with them, even in the office invironment, they want to be texted and not called on the phone. They want to use video conferance and not be bothered with meetings and such.

    Ok…go for it. Glad that I am out of the rat race from the employee stand point. We prefer independent contractors and they are always thinking and not a robot tied to their electronics. Electronics are fine tools to use…….but I also want someone who can add and subtract without using electronics. The world is passing me by and I want no part of it. There is no loyalty, no reverance….nothing left.

  24. I OK with changing the child/parent policy of separation. New policy, returned back to home country immediately. Problem solved.

  25. Actually, don’t separate them at all…..send them all back. Close the border.

    Look at Italy….they just refused to let an immigrant ship dock…So did France……So did Greece….So did Turkey, Albania, and Egypt. Spain finally took them in. Italy is closing their eastern border with troops and barbed wire….Even Switzerland is rejecting all immigrants…not even letting them traverse the country.

    I don’t know the answer but it is apparently not an open border theory…it has destroyed Europe.

    What to do….what to do.

    • Mon Colonel, you are on a roll this morning. How did bowling go? Or should I ask?

      • Mathius says:

        He got a new high score: 65!

        • tch…tch…………………….I did reach or better my average on 10 of 12 games…..I will admit to a rather bad game of 144…..however, my average being 212,,,,I did ok…..not great…..high game was 224…….had a 144 and a 176…..the rest fell between and 212 and 224. Respectable…..did my best.

      • Bowling went well, I cashed in all the brackets I was in and I will cash when the tournament is over. As an athlete, we all want to say that we could have done better….but I did my best and that is all that I can ask.

        The country around Syracuse was beautiful and the drive to Cooperstown through all of the villages was excellent. I was truly amazed at the reception that we received. Everyone from Syracuse to Cooperstown were polite and very nice to us Texans. As I said before, I was amazed at the amount of American Flags that were present everywhere….farms, business’, residences. I did find out that upstate New Yorkers do not like to go to the city and they are Trump supporters.

        My next trip is to the northwest to try to find JAC….have some corrdinating to do since personal flying is off the list again…but I do want to take spousal unit there. Perhaps try to find T Ray, if he is still alive in all that mess.

    • Mathius says:

      Question, Mr. The Colonel.

      Let’s say that you come from some war-torn hell hole. There are no jobs, no opportunities, maybe you’ve got a brutal dictator gassing the population or religious extremism that makes it dangerous for you to be a moderate.

      Now, you’ve got kids.

      And you don’t want them to grow up where you are.

      Let’s say you had the means to illegally immigrate anywhere you wanted, but zero likelihood of being granted legal immigration or refugee status.

      What would YOU do?

      Let’s put you in their shoes and see what you would do. For my part, I’d find my way into the US and settle in one of those sanctuary cities – then I’d figure out how to steal an identity from a dead person, learn to speak English without an accent, and I’d get an on-the-books job and pay my taxes to the penny. I’d put up an American flag in my yard and learn the words to the Star Spangled Banner. And if anyone ever came to try to kick me out of the country, I’d murder them.

      • No Matt, THEY wave Honduran flags at our borders, refuse to learn English or assimilate into the culture (diversity you know!). They dodge taxes and use up our resources DESPITE the law since most of your sanctuary and not so sanctuary cities REFUSE to ask citizenship or resident status before they go on the various doles.

        I kid you not when I ask each and every one of the bleeding hearts out there, DO YOU HAVE A SPARE BEDROOM? If so, I have a fine Nicaraguan family for you tripled up on 62nd Street in Sunset Park. I’m sure they would be forever grateful more so if you would allow the MS 13 meetings monthly in your basement.

        • I didn’t ask what “they” do. I asked what the colonel would do. And I’ll ask you the same question. What would YOU do?

          • I would use my magical wand an d make the world a wonderful utopia where nothing was ever anything but perfectly fair and wonderful.

            • Um…. can you go ahead and wave that wand now?

              But, seriously, what would YOU do? If you were in their shoes. Would you give up and stay put? Say, “no, I can’t run the border because it’s illegal,” or would you risk it for a better life, laws be damned?

              • What I would do or you would do really doesn’t matter. If I was starving and begging and borrowing didn’t work I would steal, doesn’t mean we just open up all the stores and give the food away for free. Pretty soon there would be no food. If you want to help you make a plan with rules and guidelines and then you follow them. It won’t ever be perfect but not having a plan ends up not helping anyone and hurting everyone. The dems in my opinion are simply using emotion without any type of plan. Keep the families together but you can’t retain children for very long so just let the whole family go, then after a few years claim they can’t be sent back because they have been here to long. Basically an open border with no plan.

              • Mathius says:

                What I would do or you would do really doesn’t matter. If I was starving and begging and borrowing didn’t work I would steal, doesn’t mean we just open up all the stores and give the food away for free.

                No one is saying that we should just throw open the border.

                …. well, actually, I mean.. yea, I am… but I’m not saying that here.

                I just want to know what you think YOU would do in their shoes.

                It won’t ever be perfect but not having a plan ends up not helping anyone and hurting everyone.

                I have a plan.

                You just don’t like my plan.

                My plan involves stopping them at the border, asking their name and some fundamental data. Running a quick background check on them (on par with a firearm background check) then admitting them unless they are a known threat.

                You don’t even need to give people citizenship upon arrival. That can take a few years. But they need to be able to come here and work legally. And they need to pay taxes. And be known and accounted for. They need the protection of the law and they need to abide by the law. Anyone on temp status committing a violent crime or a felony gets the evicted immediately upon conviction (unless they get jail time first).

                Give everyone who is already here a two month window to sign up and become legal. Once these two things are done, the only people who are in the country illegally are obviously here for nefarious reasons, or are people who can’t pass a background check.

                Thereafter anyone found in the country illegally will be taken to the nearest shoreline, given a row boat and two week’s provisions and sunk with heavy artillery should they even think about rowing back toward our shores.

                And any employer caught hiring illegal immigrants after the window faces a heavy prison sentence.

              • “No one is saying that we should just throw open the border.” Okay they aren’t saying it – it’s just If you do what they want done, the consequences will be an open border . Oh damn, how did that happen!

          • Probably nothing. less than half my family immigrated to the US when the getting was good. You now hear all the BS but, were things any better, 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago. Those of us who know the name Smedley Butler remember when and why the Marine Corps ran huge chunks of central America and the Caribbean back in the first few decades of the 20h Century.

            Now in those bad old days, why, one might ask, when you could easily immigrate did not the great great grandparents of the current crop do so? Could it possibly be because in those days you had to sink or swim on your own? No freebies? The inquiring mind would like to know?

      • Good morning, Sir Mathius…….I would not quite do the same thing but probably close. I am going to try to take care of my family the best way that I can. I do not blame them for coming here and trying. But we have laws….if we are to be a nation of laws, then we must enforce those laws. I believe that the minute allow a law to be circumvented, then you have violated a trust. I do not care if the law is spitting on the sidewalk….if you spit, you are subject to the penalty. This is NOT about empathy, sympathy, or any other “athy”. It is about the law.

        Change the damned law. Change it now…it can be done in one day. DO IT.

        I do not like the way that children are separated….I do not see the reason to separate them but if the law is being enforced with no tolerance (as any law should be) then the penalty must be assessed. I find it incredibly hypocritical the way the Dems are going about this….it stinks. If I were a Dem….if I were Schumer {{shudder}}, I would call Trump’s on it. Why don’t they? Why are they using children as a shield in t
        he same manner that ISIS does or the VietCong did……..and it is the same manner…just no bullets.

        So, I would probably try to enter the US….and if I got caught, I am not going to blame the US for getting caught.

        Now, if they are from a war torn country, then incarcerate them until they can make their case and do not separate the children from their parents….put them all in the same place. They are getting something they never had…..three meals a day, clean water, and medical care. I seenothing wrong with that. That is, if they are bonafide war torn immigrants.

        I cannot speak for the countries that are turning immigrants away…it is not just one country but several…..I ask……………WHY? There must be a reason.

        As to the US……go back to the Ellis Island thing….why not?

        • I would not quite do the same thing but probably close. I am going to try to take care of my family the best way that I can.

          And what is that way? I would attempt to blend in and hide in plain sight.

          So, if not the same thing, what would you do?

          I do not blame them for coming here and trying. But we have laws….if we are to be a nation of laws, then we must enforce those laws. I believe that the minute allow a law to be circumvented, then you have violated a trust. I do not care if the law is spitting on the sidewalk….if you spit, you are subject to the penalty.

          We are of one mind on this.

          Selective enforcement of the law is bullshit. Either arrest everyone spitting on the sidewalk, or take the law off the books.

          This is NOT about empathy, sympathy, or any other “athy”. It is about the law.

          How about “antipathy” toward breaking the law?

          I do not like the way that children are separated….

          It’s deliberately cruel on the premise that being cruel in this manner will prevent future families from wanting to risk it.

          That is a terrible premise.

          By the way, in the annals of “sickest justification in history,” Sessions attempted to justify the policy the other day by citing Romans:

          “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”

          That is, because they are violating the law by running the border, they are violating God’s will, so enforcing the law and separating children from their parents is the biblical correct thing to do.

          But I like to imagine his standing in front of Jesus of Nazareth and explaining the policy. I like to imagine Jesus’ expression of incredulity as Session explains that locking kids up away from their parents is the right thing to do according to the bible.

          You know, it’s odd.. when I read Romans, I noticed this passage. It’s a fairly prominent one, after all.. but I also noticed the followup in Romans 13:10 just a verses later (though I had to look it up): “therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.”

          I suppose everyone draws from the bible what they want to see…. Sessions sees a wrathful and harsh god commanding people to blindly obey authority.. I see a loving God who considers “love” to be the highest fulfillment of his law. That is, to Sessions, cruelty is godly so long as it’s codified and duly passed. To me, it’s more important to be kind and treat people the way Jesus would have. That, according to the bible, doing the “right” and “loving” thing is the highest fulfillment of God’s law, superseding the laws of man. It fits, too, as the bible is full of civil disobedience. I’ve always considered 1Cor 13:13 to be the beating heart of the bible “And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”… and somewhere in John, they tell us “God is love”… yet Sessions sees no “love.” He would have us believe that that same God is cool with ripping kids away from their parents as a deterrent. Love isn’t important, just efficacy. I just can’t reconcile that.

          It’s just cherry-picking. HARRUMPH!

          So, I would probably try to enter the US….

          Good idea..

          and if I got caught, I am not going to blame the US for getting caught.

          Nor should you.

          But I imagine you and I would have little trouble avoiding getting caught.

          • And what is that way? I would attempt to blend in and hide in plain sight. Yes, I would probably do that or try to do that.

            It’s deliberately cruel on the premise that being cruel in this manner will prevent future families from wanting to risk it. That is a terrible premise. Yes it is. But it is the way right now….and it SUCKS.

            Sessions attempted to justify the policy the other day by citing Romans: Sessions is an ass……a coward….a shit head….and everything else.

            My point is the Dems using this as a battle cry and not trying to help. If Trump issued an order today, giving full amnesty, releasing all children, revoking the tax policy, and corwning Nancy Pelosi Queen of the Democrats……they would still fight him….simpy because he is not establishement and he is Trump.

            • It is a DEMOCRAT initiated policy designed to make the kids PAWNS and tug on the frigging heartstrings. Know what, ask the residents of Patachogue Long Island, NY how THEY feel about living in MS-13 land?

          • Just A Citizen says:


            I am calling BS on your conclusion: Colonel: “I do not like the way that children are separated….”

            You: “It’s deliberately cruel on the premise that being cruel in this manner will prevent future families from wanting to risk it.”

            Selective ignorance once again. They are separated because of a legally binding settlement agreement which was made due to litigation brought by the do gooders who couldn’t stand to see the children held with the parents.

            In other words, the Dems are trying to use separation as an issue to force the parents to be released into the population. Where they will disappear into the wind.

      • Bonafide war torn immigrants can go to a legal port of entry, tell their story, stay together and get a hearing. It’s really quite simple. The government is following the law and subsequent court rulings. Congress has had plenty of time to fix this, the Crats don’t want to, they just want open borders and amnesty. Their not going to get it and they can’t extort the American people with their exaggerations and lies.

        Frankly, these kids are treated better than our own homeless.

        Now, we know some of these countries are shitholes. Should the US remove these corrupt governments and take over to fix the mess? Of course not. These people in these countries need to stay home and fix their own problems, I’m sure that some gun running scheme can be made available to help them……oh wait, that didn’t work to well in the past, never mind 🙂

        • Frankly, these kids are treated better than our own homeless.


          And that’s pretty sad about how we treat our homeless.

          • I think a more productive discussion would be, Why do we have so many homeless people?

            • A significant portion are mentally ill. A significant’ portion are also veterans. The two groups have significant overlap.

              It’s also an extraordinarily difficult situation to break out of. For instance, how do you apply for a job when you have no address, no phone, and no means of checking email? Sure, it’s doable, but you also have no clean clothes and limited, if any, access to bathing facilities. They probably also lack ID* sufficient to acquire legal work.

              If I had to put my finger on the #1 cause of homelessness in America, it would be the social stigma attached to mental illness that prevents people from seeking and receiving help.

              If I had to put my finger on the #2 cause, it would be the cost of treatment and the cost of medicine which is far out of reach of your average homeless person.


              *Hey, colonel, I found another constituency that would be disenfranchised!

              • *Hey, colonel, I found another constituency that would be disenfranchised! Nice try…..first of all, unless the veteran threw away his ID…he always has one. Secondly, all a veteran has to do is walk to the nearest VA facility and “voila” he will be taken care of….for life.

                Now, very much like your correct cause is mental illness….among most. As far as Veterans, and I can speak to this…not because I am homeless, but I know the effects of PTSD. I had to fight, really hard, with family support, not to withdraw from society. The same society that rejected the returning vet from Vietnam…..( supposedly, some 90% of the Vet homeless are of that war ). judging by the age that I see on the streets, that is possible. NOw, the Vet, whom withdraws, just wants to be left alone. But even when I have personally taken a homeless friend of mine to the Vet Hospital…….he leaves in the middle of the night.

                That said, in a cliff notes version of a BF answer, mental illness and lack of treatment is probably the main cause in the US. Why dont we take the money given to Planned Parenthood and instead of killing babies, we help the mentall ill? ( That was for VH ).

              • And I appreciate it.

                Not at all sure that the homeless is still a matter of just the mentally ill or drug addicts. Seems like there are a lot of families in those homeless shelters. Have read statistics of up to 35% are children. But statistics can be questionable.

              • Mathius says:

                Not at all sure that the homeless is still a matter of just the mentally ill or drug addicts

                I’m not sure what kind of senior-moment caused me to omit drug addiction from my response, but you are absolutely correct that it’s a major driver.

                There is a substantial question as to cause and effect that I wouldn’t even think about answering, but it is definitely a factor.

                Seems like there are a lot of families in those homeless shelters. Have read statistics of up to 35% are children.

                I’ve seen similar statistics. Unclear as to the truth of any of it. But, yea, sucks for the kids. You’d think we as a country could do something about that….. :/

      • First, I want to know which Central American countries are “war torn” since there are no wars currently going on.

        • Gang torn, then?

          Or maybe it’s a middle eastern country? Or an African hell-hole? Or a Balkan state? Or the wastelands of East Texas?

          Just answer the question. If YOU lived in ::insert shit-hole country*::, and you had kids to consider, would you stay put, or would would YOU do?

          *I can call them shit-hole countries. I’m not the President. No one cares what I like about them. I don’t have to conduct diplomacy on behalf of the united states government. You’ll note that no one, really, is arguing that they aren’t shit-holes… just that that’s not something the President should be saying.

          • I have already stated that I would stay and try to fix the problems.

            • Under Trump to many, we live in an s-hole country. Many pledged to leave if he was elected. Unfortunately, I do not see the exodus.

          • Or the wastelands of East Texas? Never been to East Texas, I see,,,,,,East Texas is where the state’s forests provide over a billion board feet of lumber each year.

            However, If you live west of the Pecos River, you might wonder where we’re getting all those trees. Trees in West Texas are about 50 miles apart and even then, they are mesquite….So….if you are looking for waste lands……south eastern New mexico is as barren as the Sahara.

            Sigh…….picking on Texas……..I would never pick on New York, ya know………………….

        • Think USMC 1920’s and 1930’s Want to talk about gangs?

          Jesus what a goddam incredible lack of historical knowledge is out there on the left. The Colonel being an old SF guy probably knows the most about those olden days since the Green Berets studied the Marine Corps experience on “Small Wars” where they literally wrote the book.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      International law states the “rescued” migrants are to be taken to the nearest safe port. That usually Tunisia. NGO’s certainly won’t go there, no freebies.

      However, Spain took the ship. They also EVICTED students who had paid for their housi ng during a summer term. The government instead of letting them scatter, said that the illnesses the migrants had necessitated them being kept in one location. Uh huh….right smack in the middle of a university, a popular tourist destination and in season. Of the 600 plus refugees, 600 were young men. 40 or so women and less than 10 kids.

      Saw an interesting video yesterday. It’s about “mudlarking” along the Thames at low tide. It was interesting the number of Arabic knives showing up. Not historical, NEW. Could it be possible the knife attackers in London are disposing of their weapon over the embankment.

      The London Metropolitan police have no explanation about the 20% increase of Rapes in the city, only 1/2 way through 2018, over the entire 2017 year.

      • It is so infuriating, if they believe that their stance of letting All these people in, is so morally correct, why do they lie about the problems instead of meeting them head on.

  26. There is, of course, a fundamental difference in the extent to which religious extremism reaches within “mainstream” America. The maximal extent is probably the good folks at the Westboro Baptist Church.

    Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, Christianity can reach rather more extreme peaks. But I don’t want to talk about them. I want to talk about Muslim extremists.

    It’s been rattling in my head since I typed it earlier, but I consider First Cor 13:13 to be the main truth of the bible, insofar as there might be any truths at all contained within its pages. It is unfair, perhaps, to be an outsider – a non-believer – and deciding what the real “meaning” is of the bible, but I cannot escape that that is what Jesus would have wanted us to take from it.

    But the Westboro folks have pulled from the exact same texts a far darker message. One of an angry and jealous god who hates and smites and punishes. One who condemns those who displease him to eternal torture and damnation. And one who hates… basically everything.

    From the same exact source text, we arrive at two wildly differing interpretations. Diametrically opposed, in fact. Based, entirely, on our personal decisions with regards to which verses we choose to emphasize and which we disregard amidst a conflicting body.

    This leads me to the topic I’d like to discuss which is this: Having read the Koran, I take from it, again, the peaceful message. I recognize that this is probably not in keeping with the spirit of Mohammad in situ, but it is none-the-less what I read in the words as-written. It is, similarly, the message taken by billions of Muslims. I especially emphasize Sura 109.

    But others, in the spirit (though to a far greater extent and on a much larger scale) of the WBC, prioritize the so-called Sword Verses. There are, in fact, other places to make similar claims of justification for violence, but the sword verses themselves have to be stripped of context to confer the meaning extremists want to see.

    Nonetheless, the general point stands. Muslim extremists emphasize a chosen portion to reach a chosen conclusion just as the WBC does with the bible just as I do (though in the opposite direction).

    I don’t really have a question here.. just some rambling thoughts… feel free to weigh in.

    • ::: raises hand ::::

      Preliminary question, sir. Are you justifying the existence of either extremist position?

      • Mathius says:

        Are you justifying the existence of either extremist position?


        What I’m getting at here is that the same source texts give rise to wildly different interpretations (and therefore wildly different belief systems) based on the parts people choose to emphasize and the parts they choose to ignore.

        Take the bible and emphasize the “good” stuff and you get Mr. Rogers. Emphasize the “bad” stuff and you get the Spanish Inquisition.

        Take the Koran and emphasize the “good” stuff and you get Malala Yousafzai. Emphasize the “bad” stuff and you get Hezbolah.

        I just find that interesting and thought I’d fish for further thoughts.

        • Alrighty then. My take is ridiculously simple, imagine that. I prefer to view the world as God planned it, from a child’s perspective. A Children’s Bible has the basic info needed to live a happy, spiritual life. It shows the struggle between good and evil. It doesn’t offer up very much of the violence that you see in THE Bible, just enough to sow the seed that violence is bad. That, and the underlying, simple message of Do Unto Others is all you need to know.

          It’s the fault of all you deep thinkers of the world, why the world got separated into thousands of factions. Political, religious, social. Can’t we all just get along? Keep it simple.

          • Mathius says:

            If you isolate to the NT, I do tend to agree with you. Aside from that one time Jesus chased some people around with whips, it was very lovey-dovey. Bad guys persecuted the good guys. The good guys taught moral lessons along the way. Good guy sacrificed himself for the good of everyone. But what about the OT? You ignore Genesis and Leviticus? What about the bit that Sessions cites as godly justification for ripping kids away from their parents?

            Doesn’t this feed into my thesis? You emphasize the Sermon and the Mount and a whole lot of Matthew (the best book, in my humble opinion, says Mathius). At the same time, you ignore or deprioritize some of the more… unseemly aspects. Doesn’t this imply that the bible is acting as a mirror for what you want to see?

            • If that’s the way you want to put it, then sure. What’s the problem?

              Deprioritize really isn’t the word, tho. More like…Don’t be that guy. Be like This Guy.

              • Mathius says:

                What’s the problem?

                No problem.

                Well, I guess there’s a problem in that “they” keep taking the bad path….

                Deprioritize really isn’t the word, tho. More like…Don’t be that guy. Be like This Guy.



                It always seemed pretty simple to me. The NT paints a pretty clear picture of JC. So, to me, if I were Christian, I’d just have to ask myself “would JC approve of this” and that’s really all you’d need to know.

                I’m like 99% sure he wouldn’t, for instance, be on board with protesting at a funeral and saying the dead guy is going to burn in hell. That’s not just Jesus’ style. Therefore, don’t do that.

                Similarly, don’t execute an abortion doctor.

                Similarly, don’t firebomb abortion clinics.

                Similarly, DO give to charity.

                Similarly, DO be kind to your neighbor.

                See? This is pretty easy!

                I really don’t understand why anyone has a hard time with it.

                (If you’re secular, you can replace “Jesus” with “Mr. Rogers” and ask the same questions.. it comes to the same thing. Would Mr. Rogers approve of me separating kids from their parents as a deterrent to others? No. I’m pretty sure he would not. He might not know the “right” answer, but you can be pretty confident that he’d be able to recognize the “wrong” one.)

    • Let’s try this one out. Howe many loony Musims are there out there who want to kill the infidel or Jew bastard or Great Satan.


      How many loony Westboro Baptist people are there out there who want to kill gays?

      Get my drift?

      • Mathius says:

        Not my point.

        In fact, it deliberately misses my point.

        I even went so far as to explicitly point out that the WBC is massively smaller and less extreme than, say, Hezbolah.

        The question isn’t one of extent or size. But rather.. how one looks at a diverse and conflicting source text like the OT, NT, or Koran, and reaches the interpretation of a faith that is either kind or cruel, moderate or extreme.

        I will stipulate one thing for you, as an aside: if I were looking for justification for violence and extremism, it goes OT, Koran…………………………………… then NT.

        But my point is how I can look at Romans and see an instruction to respect the law, but hold kindness and love above all else, but Sessions can see the same page and see it as godly justification for tearing families apart in order to act as a deterrent for other potential law breakers. And the difference seems to be which verses we emphasize and which we de-prioritize.

        My point is that it seems to me that these books are a kind of Rorshack test.

        • So I guess that you are fairly sure we are taking the “kids” away to make them galley slaves? They will never, ever see mummy and paw-paw again?

          Gimmie a break. You cannot possibly have forgotten the children’s caravans of the last few years when the kids arrived sans parents? Or have you? This is a ploy and they got you! Actually why we are talking about this instead of the DOJ-FBI attempted coup astounds me. I watched the hearings today and for the first time in my life found Lindsay Graham full of Old Testament Fire and Brimstone. Imagine asking Wray if he ever got a conviction on “circumstantial evidence?” Such nerve!

          When the Pharisees tried to trick Jesus they handed him a Roman coin with the head of Caesar and tried to “catch him up”. He did not fall for him and memorably stated, “render unto Caesar those things that are Caesar’s to God those things that are God’s.”

          Unlike so many other countries on this planet, we have the ability to bring about change (if needed) peacefully. I think you should turn your wrath unto Chuck and Nancy for causing this. I still want to know if that spare bedroom of yours is available for a family of seven?

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Mathius…..my Mother’s Grandmother on her Mother’s side left a town in Austria, pre 1900, which is now part of Germany. Her family left due to RELIGIOUS persecution/prosecution. They were Protestants. Not Catholic. It was a criminal offense until 1906.

      Remember the pre-analysis Austrian government was a hard core Catholic government. They made life miserable and down right dangerous for Jews. If you got the message and decided to leave for safer parts, each person was allowed one box, basically a book box. It had to be sent via the post office and could not be carried. Needless to say, when my friends arrived in Nantes no parcels arrived. Stolen.

  27. Canine Weapon says:

  28. Funny, every time I’m been around people today talking about separating children from their parents, the reaction has been the same.

    “Why is this an issue, if their coming in illegally, Why aren’t we just immediately sending them back?”

    Makes perfect sense to me. You knock on the door, we’ll send you through the process. You break -in through the back door, we show you the door.

    • What I find interesting is that if a US citizen, is jailed for criminal activity, it’s not at all uncommon for the State to take the children and put them with family or in a foster home. The end result, separation. This shouldn’t even be an issue, break the law, pay the price. American criminals lose their kids every day, yet, no whining from the Left.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        So does Canada inspire of Trudeau’s holier than thou rhetoric. They also practice the same policy with Illegal migrants.

        • What was really “funny” was how quickly their, we’ll take all your illegals turned into, why aren’t you stopping all Your illegals from coming into Canada.

    • How about when Mom and Dad are both in Military Service and get sent to the sandbox at the same time?

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    D13 The Colonel

    New email address you can use to coordinate your travels to the NW, as well as share other valuable things.


    By the way, we are locking down vacation time next year that looks like it will involve DRIVING a motor home of some kind from Florida through TEXAS to maybe Arizona.

    So we will need to coordinate more than just your trip up this way.


  30. https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/first-photos-from-inside-facilities-for-illegal-immigrant-children-shatter-establishment-media-narrative/

    Why does the Liberal media and their political handlers lie constantly? After their lies are made public, the story will change like nothing happened.

  31. Oh no…….now gaming is becoming a disorder. Young peope beating up others is now because of gaming and is now a disorder and a defense from being stupid. Soon, no one is going to be responsible for their actions.

    Gaming Disorder
    Cell phone Disorder
    Amazon Disorder
    Facebook Disorder
    Twitter Disorder
    SUFA Disorder
    West Coast Disorder
    East Coast Disorder
    Republican Disorder
    Democrat Disorder
    Getting up in the morning Disorder
    Red Bull Disorder
    Churros Disorder
    Breathing Disorder
    Thinking Disorder
    Having a disorder Disorder
    I sure am glad that there is no Dr Pepper Disorder and that Texas is a safe place.

    • Fun Fact

      There are 1.2 million people every week with Amazon disorder in Michigan alone. That is up 250k per week since April ’17.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Is that what you have when your order doesn’t arrive on time or when Amazon steals your business?

        • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

          or when Amazon steals your business?

          ::raised eyebrow::

          “Your” business?


          By what right do you claim this business? If consumers opt to buy through Amazon instead, does that not suggest that Amazon has out-competed you? What claim do you have to be entitled to the patronage of customers when their preference – whether by convenience or price or the whims of fate – is to take their business elsewhere?

          Are you not like any of the thousands of dead and dying businesses and industries, obsolete, decrying the theft of what is rightfully yours, but never realizing that it was never yours in the first place.

          Amazon cannot steal what is not yours.

    • And what I wonder do they plan to do about it, besides use it as an excuse.

  32. The current laws being enforced at the border was signed into law by Bush II in 2008. Guess who held the majority in both the House and Senate?

  33. A perspective from the Colonel…..

    I really don’t understand why anyone has a hard time with it.

    It really is not easy unless you adopt the “turn the other cheek” mantra…..ad infinitum.

    I have always found that when you turn the other cheek….it gets slapped as well. pretty soon you get punch drunk and put up your guard. I will still go to dinner with Mathius…..but I will not turn my back on a churros……especially with him around. All this quoting of the bible and the Quran and any other philosophical saying….is a smoke screen designed to throw you off guard. He WILL steal your churros if unprotected.

    • Mathius says:

      It really is not easy unless you adopt the “turn the other cheek” mantra…..ad infinitum.

      It’s not easy.

      But it is simple.

      I will still go to dinner with Mathius…..but I will not turn my back on a churros……especially with him around.

      A wise decision.. but you should really watch your six in case my daughter is around. She will shank you for a churro.

      I nearly lost an eye the other day. I don’t even know where she got the cutlass.

  34. Well, let’s investigate all these sad pictures of the kids that you are seeing on TV……isn’t it amazing that none of these pictures have anything to do with the current situation. Every single picture, thus far, was from the rush of kids when Obama was in office…..EVERY SINGLE ONE ARE ARCHIVED…..and that picture of the little kid that is hanging on the fence and crying…….is not even a detention center pic.

    What a croc. WAH WAH WAH…………………………………….

    • Saw these words on another site, they are perfect, so I’m gonna steal them. 😁

      Self Righteous Posturing!

  35. Canine Weapon says:

  36. Chuckie Boy just off the TV…….just finished saying…………..it does not matter what bill is in congress….I will vote against it. If Trump wants to settle the issue at the border, just change the policy.

    Anyone see where the problem is? It does not matter what bill is in Congress….I will not vote for it. Even if it fixes the problem.

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      Anyone see where the problem is?

      Y͕̙̓ͫe̯̳̔ͧ̒ͤ̉ͮͧs̼̣̭̉͊̅̆̾̂ͩ͆̈́,̪̮̲̪̹̦̏ ͔͇͖̲̳̺̃̉̄̊ͯͧ̏̿̍I͍ͭ̍̈́̽ͤ ̗̦̥̒͐d̲̼͚̅ͦǒ̘̗̞̗͇̭̻̜.͕̼̳̩ͦͫͮ͂ͮ̈́̎

      But do you?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        The problem is thinking that philosophical principles developed by Western Thinkers apply to the entire world, when they haven’t spent a minute exploring them.

        This is the basis for your false narrative of open borders and that OUR values are in fact universal. But don’t feel bad. The Founders, including Jefferson, made the same mistake.

        • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

          My values ARE universal.

          I can’t help it if others are so mired in their indoctrination that they can’t be bothered to poke their heads out beyond the comfort of the womb and see the real world.

          All I can say is that two wrongs don’t make a right. And if someone harms you, that does not give you leave to harm someone else under the thin veil of supposed self-protection.

    • That’s because Chuckie is using children as a political weapon and thinks it will work. Trump will hold firm and when the truth exposes the lies, again, the Crats will lose again.

      • 1. As someone who hasn’t found the time to dig too deeply, can you point me at a specific law the Democrats passed?

        2. Can you also clarify why this has seemingly ramped up recently as opposed to when Democrats last controlled congress?

        3. Lastly, can you explain what is wrong with the (ugh – I hate these Orwellian names!) “Keep Families Together Act” which would prohibit separating kids from parents at the borders except in specific circumstances (eg abuse). It is co-sponsored by every Democratic senator and zero Republicans.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          The underlying rule of law was established by a Settlement agreement in 1997. Then reinforced by a 9th Circuit ruling. And supported and implemented by each Administration, including the Obama Administration which also separated children, and put them in “cages”.

          Number 2 is easy to answer. This has suddenly increased because activist groups and the DNC WANT IT RAMPED UP. Somebody has decided to increase the pressure at the border with illegal crossings. They have decided to use Children to get the US to IGNORE THE LAW.

          Now look at who is playing along with this strategy on our side of the border.

          The separations have increased because the number of “illegal crossings” have increased and those people who are being detained as “criminals” has increased. The LAW requires their children NOT BE HELD WITH THEM.

          You do not understand what the Dems and other mush mouths are actually asking for here. It is not to stop separating the children due to the law. It is to stop charging ILLEGAL ALIENS, as in the parents, with a CRIME as required by our LAWS.

  37. Holland is banning the Burqa in public and Canada is taking up the issue this week. France, Spain, Italy, Belgium, and Switzerland are banning the Burqa immediately.

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      What right does one person have to dictate the clothing of another?

      • What right does one have to limit speech as Britain is doing or ban National Socialists and their Swastika. Well the right is WHATEVER the government says it is since they are the elected representatives of the people. You suffer from being in this small fishbowl of ours too long!

        • PS, that’s why they live there and we don’t!

        • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

          What right does one have to limit speech as Britain is doing or ban National Socialists and their Swastika.

          None whatsoever.

          Well the right is WHATEVER the government says it is since they are the elected representatives of the people.

          This is very bad thinking.

          Very bad, indeed.

          You suffer from being in this small fishbowl of ours too long!

          It is you who imagines your fishbowl within a fishbowl to be the whole of the space of possibilities.

          • Great Britain has no right to free speech law.

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              Great Britain has no right to free speech law.

              Free speech is a fundamental human right tied to bodily autonomy.

              This is, of course, wholly separate from “freedom from the consequences of using free speech.”

              Whether Great Britain has such a codified right or not matters not one whit: The right exists.

              • Yes, but they have decided in democratic fashion that it is not necessary. Who are you to tell them differently? You suffer from ethnocenterism.

                They also do not really believe in firearm ownership or to be technically correct they believe in massive restrictions on firearm ownership as do you.

              • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

                Yes, but they have decided in democratic fashion that it is not necessary.

                What they have decided is not important.

                The right IS.

                Who are you to tell them differently?

                I am the Dread Pirate Mathius.

                You suffer from ethnocenterism.

                I suffer from EGOcentrism.

                But this does not make me wrong.

                Rights are not dependent on the whims and opinions of the masses.

                Try not believing in gravity. See what happens.

                They also do not really believe in firearm ownership or to be technically correct they believe in massive restrictions on firearm ownership as do you.

                They can believe whatever they like. It has no bearing on me.

                I am not their property. I am sovereign unto myself.

                If they come to violate my rights, well, then… then they have a problem..

      • Well, the argument is apparently the full Burqa where it covers the face. It is a matter of security, they say. You must be recognizable, they say…………….and, as the lady from Canada said……….When the pilgrimage goes to Mecca, it is an Islamic rule that the face NOT be covered. If it is good for Mecca, it is good here.

        Oh well…………………………….

        • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

          You must be recognizable, they say

          Who is “they”?

          Why do “they” get to decide for other people?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            They are you, well your primary identity anyway. You are nothing but a thorn in his side, constantly reminding him of his duplicity and contradictions.

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              My “primary” identity?

              How do you know that I am not the primary?

              Perhaps HE is the thorn in all of our sides?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Of that I am certain. But it is you who was delegated to the basement. Just sayin.

          • THEY……..not to be confused with THEY LIVE……….is the government. The THEY at Mecca is whoever made the Islamic Law that faces are uncovered…..I do not know who THEY is per se………..but I dont want THEY.

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              THEY……..not to be confused with THEY LIVE……….is the government.

              I do not recognize the authority of this entity.

              Nor do I stipulate that “because they do it, it must be right.”

              The THEY at Mecca is whoever made the Islamic Law that faces are uncovered…..I do not know who THEY is per se………..but I dont want THEY.

              Follow your logic.

              A) It is ok for Britain to control people’s clothing because it is “THEY” do it in Mecca.

              B) Therefore, if “THEY” do something in Mecca, it is per force justified behavior by the government of Britain.

              C) Therefore, if “THEY” execute homosexuals, then Britain may do so as well.


        • The USA of A more or less banned the wearing of Hoods by the Klan because of the intimidation cause by not knowing who was behind those masks. The issue came up repeatedly with the Antifa masks. Now to be a true believer in freedom and democracy, if you want to wander around in a mask or a racoon suit with mask whose business is it but yours? Right?

          • Or does “public safety” play a roll. “Whatta you mean I can’t go in the water without a lifeguard being on duty?”

            • Or does “public safety” play a roll.

              There is no question of public safety.

              They aren’t committing crimes while hiding behind the burkas.

              They’re observing their religion.

              And even if they were hiding behind the burkas, that’s not justification to force removal of the burkas. Maybe it’s justification for requiring visible ID or a name tag. There are a lot of steps that can be taken before using the perception of “public safety” as a flimsy excuse to override innocent women’s right to peaceably exercise their religion beliefs.

              “Whatta you mean I can’t go in the water without a lifeguard being on duty?”

              I don’t believe in forcing people to “be safe.” I believe in forcing the disclosure of honest relevant risks so that a competent adult may make their own choices.

              For example, seat belt laws are unjustifiable. Everyone should wear a seat belt. You’re stupid not to. But if you want to take the attendant risks with your own life, then so be it.

              Conversely, there should be no choice with regards to child seat belt laws. The child cannot decide for themselves whether they are willing to take the relevant risk. (yea, yea, parental rights bullshit. It’s a stupid risk, I don’t want to get into it).

              By the same logic, you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet, smoke cigarettes, rock climb without a harness, or juggle running chainsaws. It’s your life, not mine. You takes your chances and you wins your prizes. Who am I to tell you otherwise?

              If you want to drink and drive on your private property, go for it. If you want to drink and drive on a public motorway where others might get hurt? Well then that’s no longer ok. If you want to do something stupid and risk your own life, it’s YOUR life to risk. If you want to do something stupid and risk someone else’s life, that’s not your decision to make.

              A similar case might be pharmaceuticals. As long as the drug company openly and honestly discloses the potential risks and side affects of a given drug (may cause a permanent state intense flatulence), it’s your choice as a competent adult whether you wish to take those risks. So long as you’re not harming anyone else, it’s your life, and I think the government should butt the hell out.

              So, yea, go swimming without a lifeguard on duty. But don’t come crying to me when the undertow drags you out to sea.

          • The USA of A more or less banned the wearing of Hoods by the Klan because of the intimidation cause by not knowing who was behind those masks.

            This was wrong.

            There’s a fun story where DC banned a Klan rally. They sued and won the right to march. Then, as soon as everyone showed up in their hoods, the police arrested them for wearing face-conceiling masks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

            Don’t get me wrong. I do love it when the Klan gets screwed, so I can’t get too, too worked up over this, but it’s still wrong. It’s selective enforcement. The government had an opinion that the Klan shouldn’t be allowed to do something it was Constitutionally allowed to do (public peaceful assembly), so they found an excuse to punish the people who wanted to do it.

            The issue came up repeatedly with the Antifa masks.

            Yup. Unless they’re otherwise committing a crime, they have the right to hide their identity and wear what they want.

            Now to be a true believer in freedom and democracy, if you want to wander around in a mask or a racoon suit with mask whose business is it but yours? Right?



            Exactly right!

  38. Mathius….is it true that the New York assembly just passed a universal healthcare for New York State?

    It eliminates all private healthcare and forces companies and unions under this new system.
    It increases taxes by $92 Billion.
    It sets the salaries for all surgeons and doctors including all research facilities and doctors and lab personnel.

    Just saw it discussed on CNN Business news. You cannot possibly be for this….but I do not see you have much of a choice. Is it scheduled for a vote?

  39. Trump: Congress can change the laws this week and fix the problem.

    Corey Booker: That’s a Lie.

    Apparently this Crat doesn’t understand the duties of Congress.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    Going fishing………. see ya’ll Wed evening.


    Anita: I am still doing the Happy Dance.

    Colonel: I see we in the Rocky Mtns have once again “Trumped” you Texicans. See latest Gallup Polling showing support for President Trump, by State.

  41. Catch and Release, as an immigration policy. The term comes from fishing- now how many people actually believe they are gonna re-catch that fish. Or based on the name, believe the Obama administration ever had any intention of doing so.

  42. The Dread Pirate Mathius says:


    They also do not really believe in firearm ownership or to be technically correct they believe in massive restrictions on firearm ownership as do you.

    This is false.

    I have stated many times here that I am completely agnostic to firearm ownership.

    It’s not for me, as statistics make it pretty clear that owning a gun makes you LESS safe. But it is your personal decision to make yourself less safe, and that is none of my business.

    As a means of mass-shootings, etc, I have repeatedly been outspoken that I believe it would be no different due to the ease of, say, making a pipe bomb or sarin.

    As a societal ill, accounting for violent death (and excluding adult suicide) in Japan and the UK using CIA World Factbook statitics and my own math, I find that the increase in death from our possession of guns, even if you attribute the entirity of the difference to our guns (which is by no means a give), is marginal at best. At worst, I find, though my own investigation, that our gun-fetishist culture contributes to an added.. I forget the exact number.. but it was on the level of 1-3k / yr. In other words less than die from diarrhea.

    On the flip side, it MAY be true that having so many guns helps to keep our government at bay if it were inclined to go too far. Then again, given that the gun owners are almost all on Red Team, and Red Team has become a cult, I fail to see the likelihood of them acting as a brake on Red Team overreach.

    Still, on balance, the harm is basically negligible and the benefit is (probably) basically negligible. Give all this, I simply don’t care.

    That’s not to say I’m “pro” gun. I’m not. I think they’re stupid unless you live somewhere you need to defend yourself from wildlife or Turkish rebels. But they’re stupid in a way that statistically doesn’t affect me, so it’s none of my damned business.

    They also do not really believe in firearm ownership or to be technically correct they believe in massive restrictions on firearm ownership as do you.

    I think you make the mistake of assuming that, because I’m a left-leaning liberal who voted for Clinton, that I must be in lockstep on all their positions.

    This, I assure you, is not the case.. as seen above. My apostasy is not well received by the left.

    • YOu couldn’t be….you have a brass wound cannon.

      • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

        That was Mathius.. I must have left myself logged into his computer… whoops. Sorry for the confusion.

        Unlike that idiot, I love my cannons. In fact, if I removed my armory, The Hammer would only draw 5′ and I might be able to go fishing with JAC.. but that’s not going to happen. On the flip side, maybe I could use my armory to deepen the relevant waterways……

    • Mathius says:

      I’m having a hard time reading that because it’s objecting to my ad-blocker.

      But the gist is “Obama and Bush did it, too!”


      A) My understanding is that there’s a large difference in scale.


      B) Two. Wrongs. Don’t. Make. A. Right.

      • Every picture of current facilities is far, far better than what is in this article.

        The Left is lying and seriously overblowing this because they:

        A: need to divert attention from the FBI scandal.
        B: they want Trump to ignore the law, like Obama did, so technically, you are right, two wrongs dont make a right.
        C: the Crats have nothing to offer the voters so they try to tug at heart strings.

        • I second that and add the Korea thing, the 4% annual growth rate and record setting employment!

          What else do they have other than a manufactured “crisis”.

          • Also, take this from a person who worked that area for years…….kids in shelters and detention during Obama….8,417

            Kids currently in shelter and detention 1,420………yep a big difference.


            On a side note, according to BBC, the man on the street in Europe is saying, “I wish we had a leader that had our backs like America does now.” according to BBC, 8 of 10 common folk respondants in Europe are liking Trump now because he is holding his ground.

  43. Thought of the Day!

    When all the guns have been banned
    When all the words have been censored
    When all the history has been erased
    When all the freedom has been taken
    Only then will you discover why our right to bear arms was so high on the list………….

  44. I am not sure…….but I think this sounds a lot like our resident Mathius….

    ” NO, you’re wrong. So, just sit there in your wrongness and be wrong.”

    jus’ saying……………………………………………………………

  45. NewsBusters looked at coverage from the three major networks and found that “Over the last seven days (June 13 through June 19), the networks have unleashed a deluge of reports featuring over-the-top grandstanding and virtue signaling totally 258 minutes, or more than four hours.”
    However, the media barely mentioned the Obama administration’s role in this policy. NewsBusters reported, “Networks devoted just 6 minutes and 29 seconds (barely 3 percent of the coverage) to discussion of Obama’s detaining of children.”
    This level of hypocrisy from the liberal media is not surprising.

  46. Medic……Medic………….Medic………………………………The Colonel needs help…he is on the floor writhing around screaming for DR Pepper…….


    The Colonel just got off the phone with a stalwart long time Democrat friend of his that voted for Clinton, Obama twice, and Clinton……who told the Colonel, “Ya know, I thought Trump to be a blow hard lying piece of shit. But, I was wrong. He tells it like it is, he does not care what people think about him, he is focused on his job as POTUS and he is certainly shaking up the status quo…..I used to think him wrong but he has won me over. I really like the way that he is telling other countries to bite the big one. America first!”


    MEDIC…………………………………………………..Colonel gasping for air………

    • Give your friend a Red Bull.

      • That’s just it…he LOVES RED BULL….and there is another one he drinks. I don’t know what happened. I mean, he was as far left as they go…..I think one thing that really changed his mind since he worked the border with me….is the hypocrisy of the news reporting. He is even pissed saying that the media is just dead wrong as are all the politicians going down there.

        He said that Trump, in holding his ground, is exposing the futility of it all ( his words ).

        I am aghast and he is not Texan by birth…..he is from Eugene, Or.

    • I hope it is contagious.

  47. SUFA Survey: Do two wrongs make a right?

    • A positive times a positive is positive.
      A negative times a positive is negative.
      A negative times a negative is positive.
      Three lefts make a right. (Haw, haw haw = Gee)
      Three rights make a left. (Gee, gee, gee = Haw)

    • No, I have always subscribed to the theory that two wrongs or ten wrongs, does not make anything right….except in math….(neg x neg = pos) However, iis politics like math? Because, in politics, it seems that humane and moral over-rides Law…..and that is not correct.

      • I agree, two wrongs never make a right. This is why Trump is RIGHT by enforcing the laws on the books.

    • Keep family units together, if they don’t qualify for legal asylum, return to native country within 10 days or when plane is full.

      He’ll be sued in 90 seconds by the Crats.

    • Yes, he apparently has caved.

      • It’s official…..he caved and signed an exec order keeping families together……he said the zero policy is in effect but the children remain with the parents. Wanna bet this does not shut anyone up? It will be viewed as a sign of weakness and the Democrats would be fools if they do not press the advantage they now have on this subject. I can just see the argument now….”the zero tolerance policy now incarcerates the children with their parents”…..how cruel is this…….it is coming.

        • Is truly sad to watch hopelessly while our Country is destroyed .

          ‘There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know’.

        • We NEED an accelerated trip to the Supremes. The issue is National Security and frankly I would be comfortable with the President telling that 9th Circuit judge to shove it and move for an expedited hearing.

          Wanna say you are like Andy Jackson, then follow his example.

  48. LOL….China has said that now they are not going to buy US oil…….ok no worries….I know who will buy it.

  49. German automakers are now wanting to eliminate all tariffs…..total free trade on cars into and out of Europe and the US. ZERO tariffs. Hang in there Trump……you see what hard ball will do? The European Union is saying that what the Europe automakers do not make policy. They say that zero tariffs for the US wouldnot be fair.

  50. Well, that did not take long……The ACLU has already said it would file suit against the Trump administration saying that “keeping the children with their parents in jail would not be right either.

    You just can’t please anyone……

    • Mathius says:

      The ACLU has already said it would file suit against the Trump administration saying that “keeping the children with their parents in jail would not be right either.

      Well, I mean… it’s not, now, is it?

      Just focus on the kids for a second.

      The KIDS did not commit a crime, per say. Yea, depending on how the laws are written and blah blah blah blah blah. But realistically, I think we can both agree that, say, a 2 year old cannot commit a crime.

      Given this, locking the kid up for ANY reason is not right.

      It’s just not.

      Now, of course, as you are no doubt already typing, the logical end of this is the the kids become a legal shield and you can never arrest a family because you can’t jail the adults without their kids and you can’t jail the kids, so.. ahhh.. catch 22, the Democrats win!

      Yea. I get it.

      Look, I’m not claiming to have the “right” answer here. I’m not. But I do know that the KIDS (especially young kids) do not deserve jail under any circumstances.

      How you square the circle? I have no idea.

      Well, again, I do, but nobody seems to like my answer.

      But given our current thinking on immigration? I have no answer.

      It may be that there IS no right answer.

      And I do not deny that the ACLU and others would very much like to lever this into de facto open borders for families. And I do not deny that this wouldn’t necessarily be a good thing in our current legal framework.


      So I propose an alternative: Australia. We ship everyone to Australia. It worked for the Brits. We can do it again. Anyone in the family illegally gets shipped to AU. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. You get a two week supply of food and water (or the dollar equivalent) and a swift kick in the backside and you’re an Aussy now. If you come back again, we give you a rowboat and drop you off in the middle of the India Ocean with a map and wish you well. Do it a third time and you can swim it. (A fourth time and we give you citizenship and a place on the Olympic swim team).

      But that is contingent on fixing LEGAL immigration and guest worker policies PLUS an accessible path to legal status (not necessarily citizenship, but legal residency) within the US for non-criminals who are already here.


    • Are they still c!aiming they aren’t for open borders? At this point, I’m thinking you can’t even interview them or make sure their parents aren’t terrorists before you have to release them into the population. Maybe I’m just stupid but how do you not separate them and not hold them either without just letting everyone with a child freely enter the Country. I think we’ve advanced to just release. Not that I see any reason to bother catching them under these rules.

  51. My brother says that he has become so cynical about faith in humanity…….he even looks both ways before crossing an one way street.

    • Mathius says:

      I do that.

      My office is on a one-way street. At least once a week, I hear a cacophony of horns, look out my window and… yup, there’s someone doing the 3-point-turn of shame. It’s only a matter of time before someone gets hurt, and it ain’t gonna be me.

  52. Mathius says:


    Does anyone have a problem with the following proposal:

    A) Anyone who shows up at the border undergoes a quick preliminary screen. If they fail the background check they are turned back. If they pass, their finger prints are taken along with other general background data. They are given a guest pass which does NOT entitle them to unearned benefits (once they have paid sufficiently into the system, they will be eligible).

    B) Everyone who is already here has two months to sign up for legal residency. They must pass the same background check.

    C) Anyone caught illegally in the country after A and B is taken to the nearest border (land OR sea) and given a firm shove. Repeat offenders get dropped off in Antarctica.

    D) Any business employing illegal immigrants is harshly punished. Any employer knowingly doing so is jailed. Zero tolerance.

    E) Guest residents may apply for citizenship through regular channels while living and working (and paying taxes) here legally.

    F) Guest residents who commit violent crimes or felonies are evicted. Guest workers who violate labor laws or accept wages below the legal minimum are evicted. Do not pass go, do not collect $200. Their family may choose to join them, or not. Depending on their crime, they may apply for re-entry in a few years, or never.

    F.2) Gang affiliation is grounds for expulsion even if no other specific crime is proven.

    F.3) At least once every two years, guest workers will be evaluated for Failure to Adapt. A case worker will evaluate the guest resident for any behavior which may be significantly at odds with the generally accepted cultural norms and allowable behaviors of US culture. As a requirement, they must be making appropriate progress toward “Americanizing.” Among other things, this requires that they cannot exist entirely within insular micro-communities of their own culture. Failure to Adapt may result in expulsion or, at the guest worker’s expense, remediating education.

    F.4) Citizens may file a claim against guest residents for Failure to Adapt.

    G) No more than 20% of a guest worker’s income may be sent abroad (eg to family in the home country). Any effort to end run this will result in a permanent ban. All finances of guest workers are accessible at all times to relevant auditors. Audits will be random, for-cause, and periodic as appropriate.

    H) After five years, you will be evaluated for your net economic effect on the US economy. If it is determined that you are demonstrably a substantial drain on societal resources (excluding children’s education), then you will be expelled.

    I) Employers are required to prioritize citizen workers over guest workers for hiring purposes, assuming equal qualifications. Guest worker employees must be treated equitably to citizen employees for purposes of wage, benefits, etc. Any business violating this may be fined heavily, employers jailed, and/or the company may be banned (temporarily or permanently) from employing guest workers (or the number / percentage of guest worker employees may be capped). This ensures there is no incentive to hire them over citizens.

    J) Anyone caught helping people enter the country illegally gets a life-sentence and then, once dead, their corpse is kicked out of the country.

    • Wow…..you need a new supplier.

    • Well, it might convince a lot of them not to come.

    • No one will want to enforce it! I should point out that after the Reagan Amnesty there was a flurry of activity to identify ALL workers in the country. I had to provide MY proof of citizenship as did all of our Hispanic employees. This was a requirement (like the wall) of the Reagan amnesty. See how well it worked?

      Your proposals would repeatedly fail in the case of court challenges based on past experience. Then there would be the massive new bureaucracy to find everybody every two years.

      Employers will, as they have done for almost thirty years now, ignore the law and be comfortable that their contributions to both dems and R’s will keep them safe as it has.

  53. Let me get this straight………………the party that believes in Super Delegates thinks that the electoral college is unfair…….

    The new saying in Texas…….HAPPY CINCO DE…nope not MAYO…….PORTED.

    Then there was the other day when I called a liberal “maam”….he actually got pretty mad.

    Only in Texas…..a man followed a yiung girl into a Target bathroom saying he identified himself as a woman. The man’s teeth were knocked out by the girls father who said he identified as the Tooth Fairy,,,,,,

    New way to make heads explode…..take all your $20 bills and on the back over the picture of the White House……write the following words. ” Donald Trump lives here”…..

    An Analogy: The forest is shrinking but the trees keep voting for the axe because its handle is wood and they think it is one of them.

    I understand that Stormy Daniels is doing porn again……….say what you want about Trump but he does get people back to work again……

    Remember the picture when Obama says that “I have a pen and a phone?”……Trump says, I have an eraser.

    I was thinking that back in my day we didn’t have as many warning labels. We were not stupid.

    New sign posted in wilderness areas….”Please do not feed the wild animals as they will become reliant and start demanding cell phones….

    Interesting statistic: More black men were killed in Chicago under Obama’s Presidency than in the entire Vietnam War……that is his legacy.

    Think about this………If a gorilla shot an alligator with an AR 15 to save a Muslim refugee child while their transgender parent was in the bathroom….all of the dumbasses on the internetwould go silent because they would not know what side they’re supposed to be on.

    Father/son conversation….DAD, is Trump really an eveil man? Yes, son…someday you will have to get a job and work for a living.

    Then there is Lieberman in his speech…slamming his fist on the table, if Trumpcare does not cover hysterical pussyitus as a pre-existing condition, millions of liberals will die.


    Well, this is what you get when I run out of chores to do…..tomorrow will be different.

  54. Looking up tariffs from Canada……currently they are charging us 270% on dairy products, 69.9% on sausage products, 57.8% on Barly, 49% on Durham wheat, 26.5% on Bovine Meat…18% on table linen……the list goes on……and we are supposed to just say OK.

    So, if we respond with our own tariffs, why are we the ones that are causing a trade war?

  55. Mathius says…………..I may seem quiet and reserved but if you mess with my daughter I will break out a level of crazy that will make your nightmares seem like a happy place…..

    And that is BEFORE Red Bull.

  56. http://therightscoop.com/breaking-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-families-together/

    Here’s the executive order. All he seems to be committing too is keeping them together for the 20 days. Unless he can get the Flores thingy changed. I see nothing about catch and release and as of right now he has to move the kids. Unless the court says differently, right?

  57. http://www.lifenews.com/2018/06/20/planned-parenthood-hates-trump-except-when-they-want-his-help-to-stop-their-employees-from-unionizing/

    Oh looky there, Planned parenthood doesn’t support the union, when it’s gonna cost them money. Course a whole lot of it isn’t even theirs.

  58. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Can’t read comments anymore, so I’m writing what I hope is new.

    1) Judicial Watch after several years and litigation final got the minutes from a meeting, unredacted concerning the IRS scandal and Lois Lehrner. Pretty much answers why the Rhinos and establishment GOP didn’t really squawk. The head side from McCain’s office suggested to audit the he’ll out of the Tea Party groups. They Can’t afford the fight. Who’s garden party was most threatened.

    Also just out of committee and going to the EU parliament floor, is a new law requiring a copyright fee to 200 Euro, to link an article. The big broadcasters like BBC, and legit news like the guardian, sarcasism, will be exempt from grabbing each other’s approved articles of from Reuters as an example. Talk about shutting down citizen journalism and commentary.

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