More Honduran Migrants Coming!

101418HondurasGettyVarious news reports are stating that a caravan of about 1300 Honduran migrants are heading to the U.S. in an attempt to escape the poverty and gang violence in their home country.  I have held the position in the past that these people need to stay home and fix their own country, but I have changed this line of thinking.  I think it is time to listen to these people.  Let’s take them in and get their story, make it public and figure out what the hell can be done to stop this in the future.  Why have I changed my thinking you ask?  Because we finally have a leader who can fix it sitting in the White House.  The question is, do we?

 

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  1. Another question, who killed the Journalist in Turkey?

  2. Problem……no one is screening them medically. They are bringing the following to the Texas border.
    1) Polio
    2) TB
    3) Measels
    4)Chicken Pox
    5) Yellow Fever

    I am not on board until they are medically screened.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      I totally agree. Open up Ellis Island again. Just an example, build modern quarantine centers at every major entry point and if caught elsewhere brought there immediately.

      My arms used to get quite sore with all the shots one used to get in the military, especially when traveling overseas. Even to modern countries like Italy.

      Why is the reverse not true? More PC ness.

  3. I was watching a very interesting piece on TV yesterday about robotics. After the initital investment, it was said, robots on assemly lines cost 62 cents per hour to operate. No unions, no health insurance, no family leaves, 24 hour operation and never gets tired. They went on to show how robotics, in the fast food industry is becoming vogue. What I found most interesting was the experimentation of robotics in the agricultural industry. It showed a field in california harvesting peppers. Gps controlled harvesting machines were going up and down the rows of pepper plants, harvesting peppers……and did a 100 acre field in 6 hours without rows and rows of migrant labor picking peppers. It then showed the peppers being unloaded into bins and conveyor type machines that separated the bad from the good without human eyes and no bruising of the peppers. It was amazing…..

    The next segment showed migrant labor, not citizens of the US, beginning to protest the use of robotics claiming how unfair it was and that it was taking their livlihood from them and that robotics should be banned from agriculture. The labor unions jumping on this band wagon as well.

    Here is a question for all: If robotics can replace human labor, does society have any type of commitment to care for the soon to be out of work labor force? If so, why?

    • This is NOT a trick question……..

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I haven’t flown much since retiring, but I found the ticket kiosks quite handy. I’m sure the ticket counter personnel really had no complaint. They certainly were not going to get more people..in fact by pass the whole mess and do everything on line from the comfort of your home.
        with
        I spent over 40 years working on ways to make operations more efficient and less costly. Less waste, less rework, do the same task with fewer and less costly labor, better quality and in many places replace with robotics and pattern recognition applications. Saved millions in costs and solved problems that netted billions

    • Here is a question for all: If robotics can replace human labor, does society have any type of commitment to care for the soon to be out of work labor force?

      Yes.

      If so, why?

      Because human lives have value.

      And people who CANNOT work should not be penalized for that fact.

      (People who CHOOSE not to work can go jump in a lake)

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I wanted to add my two cents to the cherry pie discussion.

        Nothing better than a Dutch oven baked cobbler, pick the fruit, on the coals of your campfire in the mountains.

        There used to be a great eating place along the road in Evanston, Wyoming. Real honest to god chuck wagon cooking. Dining was al fresco. Im talking 60 years ago.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Sorry there is a duplicate cherry pie comment after this.

        Mathius:

        When I worked in semiconductor manufacturing we maintained a fairly constant workforce. We increased our output and productivity by quantum leaps. The general worker had learn some basic new skills handled on site and we went through 4 generations of technologies before I left.

        However the way at&t handled productivity and efficiency gains was to immediately lay off the people you projected to save with the new tools and applications. Those that remained were immediately strapped. Sure they handled more customers but the business was expanding by leaps and bounds globally. Within 2-3 months the management would be trying to rehire those engineers they just layed off to handle the new clients networks because the bandwidth saved had evaporated. We’d develope new tools and management would do it again. Eventually the reapproached engineers said screw you I’m off to a new career away from you guys.

        In 2011 they laid off all the people in our group in Slovakia. I was developing the work they did. Each of those engineers made 10X less than I was making. They did good work with few errors. All had grown up under communist rule and had all, being free, started having families, building homes etc. The company said well you can now look anywhere in the EU for work under the schlegan plan. None got work. There jobs did not go away just outsourced to Tech Mahindra in India, cheap enough so the company could afford errors and mistakes and rework and still make a profit.

        • But Dale, that’s the way of things… you’re looking at semiconductors which has been a MASSIVELY expanding industry.

          But it can’t expand forever.

          At some point, inevitably, the gains in productivity will outstrip the gains in demand.

          And then you will have over employment.

          To suggest otherwise means that either (A) machines CAN’T do something that humans can or (B) that demand will outpace automation over the long-term.

          (A) is looking increasingly improbable.

          (B) has literally never happened.

          I can’t speak to AT&T’s stupidity, but I can say that, sooner or later, those jobs were doomed regardless.

          25 years from now, they will employ 5 highly skilled specialists to manage the machines which produce 100x as much as they produce now.

          25 years from then, they will employ one.

          Think about literally ANY industry older than, say, 50 years. As soon as technology cracks the door, it ends with technology eating almost all the jobs. Every damned time.

          And you can run, but you can’t hide.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Everybody will go into selling narcotics which will be purchased with the welfare checks we issue to the permanently unemployable.

            Happy?

            • Naw… well, I mean, I loved Brave New World.. so, maybe?

              Most likely, once we accept the fact that broad swaths of the population cannot ever be gainfully employed again, we’ll be willing to let them get high in an opium den and waste away their lives in a drugged stupor (if that’s what they so choose). Personally, I’d just go to the beach and enjoy the sunset with a good book.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                Written by a computer. As my Lit teacher in High School would say, “there really are only seven plots”.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Only if their return exceeds their costs and meet or exceed growth and product expectations.

        Example all the McD’s are owned by the same person in the area. However they are managed by different people. Of the 3 one I’ll never go there. A second one maybe and one, I’ll go out of my way to eat. All staffed by blacks and Hispanics. The one absolutely makes it nice to be served, the others automate the sooner the better.

        But Hardees is 5 miles totally out if the way, and if I go to that effort I’ll hit Chic-fil-le (sp) I like them because they stuck to their beliefs and didn’t have to the PC mob.

        • You can’t fight the future.

          Give it a few more years and you’re going to be giving your order to a machine via natural language. “Alexa, give me a #2, hold the pickles.” 5-10 years, tops. You might not like “automation,” but that’s in no small part because it’s clunky and unpleasant. But it WILL smooth out over time. The first ones are always rocky and buggy and unpleasant. The second wave is tolerable. The third wave is a toss-up. The forth is better than humans. The fifth is no contest.

          At the end, they get a option that’s not only cheaper, but BETTER. They just have to get over the hill first.

          In the long run humans are always an inferior option to machines, and the Invisible Hand commands that the superior option win in the long run.

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            A friend was just telling me that her grandson and his family have next to their TV entertainment center a Google box that you talk to and it says what are you looking for etc. And it channels up your search.

            My manager for 10 years was only a voice, except once. I went through Atlanta and I deliberately stopped by his office. Nobody in his group was in Atlanta. Everyone was scattered throughout the world. We all worked VO

            • Google devise changing channel for you: I have seen this technology and currently find it clunky and inferior to the old fashioned method of using a remote. BUT, I acknowledge that it’s only a matter of time. I think your friend for being an early adopter and suffering through the inferior experience on my behalf so I can enjoy the fruits of the more mature product.

              Your manager: 20-30 years from now, that’s going to be an AI. A voice in a box. But it’s going to be super disciplined, never forget anything, able to ensure proper cross-communication, and it’s going to know every trick in the psychology handbook to wring productivity out of you. And, as an added bonus, it will never yell at you for things that aren’t your fault.

    • The key phrase is “to care”. The answer is no. Although it would be nice to have retraining available at no cost as well as temporary assistance. Get them back to work.

      I don’t think it will be the problem that many predict.

      • The problem is that you cannot “retrain” a guy who picks grapes and make him a full stack software engineer.

        Some of them, sure, I guess. But not all of them.

        It’s simply not possible.

        And the more AI advances, the more low-hanging fruit they’re going to eat.

        Already, they’re starting to become a problem for paralegals and medical clerks.

        The pressure is going to push people out of the job pool from the lowest levels of skills and – yes – intelligence. And then it’s going to creep up the ladder until there are NO jobs left for which a human is better suited and economically feasible.

        It is.. inevitable.

        Conservatives seem to hold to this idea that, if you job disappears, just retrain, and get a new one. And maybe that works to a point. But when all bus drivers, truckers, cabbies, fruit pickers, bus boys, ….. etc are all out of work, they’re screwed.

        There is no way to “retrain” them en masse into the new economy.

        And, frankly, pretty much anything you can train them for, the computers will eat that too.

        They’ll get displaced, find a new job, get displaced, find a new job, get displaced…. each time in a faster cycle with fewer and fewer jobs available.

        In the end, there is nothing a human will be able to do about it.

        And then what?

        Consider, if nothing else, the utilitarian argument. If we don’t care and provide for them, how are things going to go when there are seven billion destitute unemployed people? I think the only “thriving” industry will be guillotine manufacturing.

        • What can’t an AI robot do that humans can?

          • Almost nothing.

            The only jobs I can imagine being holdouts for humans are service jobs where there’s simply a “preference” for human labor over machine labor. That might be due to a status symbol thing or an “ick” factor.

            For example, I expect that there will always be a market for human sex workers (at least until we finally cross the uncanny valley). It could be an “ick” factor or simple human preference, but this will probably be one of the last holdouts. I expect we’ll see significant encroachment over the next few years, but it’s going to have a long tail for those who can afford to pay for human sex-work.

            Likewise, there will be a market for human servants / butlers. Their service may be subpar, but they will be a status symbol. In fact, I would look for this market to explode over the coming decade as the wealth gap expands. I’m talking about full-blown early-1900’s levels.

            Some of the semi-finalists will be things like “politician” and “C-level executive” and artisans and (maybe) teachers. Possibly psychologists and certain scientist positions. Insofar as “inventor” is a definable job, it will probably be toward the end, too.

            Maybe musicians could hold out, now that I think of it. Already, no human pianist can match a machine. No human cellist can match a machine… but I still have an interest in live (human) music even if a computer could be technically better. But I suppose that might be a cultural anachronism that future generations will find quaint. I mean, already there are DJ’s whose entire songs require no human input to play. So that would leave the creators employed and the musicians unemployed.. until the machines get better at creating music, anyway.

            There will, of course, be entire new industries that humans will fill. But they will be pushed out by the machines shortly after. I’m sure there will be a market for “holographic virtual reality set designer” at some point.. but a few years later, employment will be a fraction of what it was due to automation and procedural generation.. a few years after that, it will be just a handful of experts managing the computers who do all the work.. a few years after that, it will be fully automated and all those new jobs will be lost forever.

            And, of course, the cycle will only accelerate.

            Upshot, long answer short: almost nothing.

            And in the very long term: absolutely nothing.

  4. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I wanted to add my two cents to the cherry pie discussion.

    Nothing better than a Dutch oven baked cobbler, pick the fruit, on the coals of your campfire in the mountains.

    There used to be a great eating place along the road in Evanston, Wyoming. Real honest to god chuck wagon cooking. Dining was al fresco. Im talking 60 years ago.

  5. We like Jordan Peterson here, right?

  6. Just A Citizen says:

    1) Does Society have an obligation to take care of people put out of work? NOT JUST NO. And the reason doesn’t matter.

    No man can be obligated to someone he has never met nor with whom he has never made any personal commitments.

    2) Per Mathius demand never outstrips the productivity gains in the long run. That is of course why the demand has constantly increased since, oh the industrial revolution. Or, Mathius complains that after the gold vein runs out that the amount of gold left in the mine is a waste of time.

    3) Dutch Oven cooking. You can cook cakes or bread or biscuits or……. many good things.

    4) OMG the robots are coming. Robots cannot compose original music. Robots can play digitial music, not manage a violin or guitar. Maybe some day. Then we won’t have to listen to musicians preach the politics at us anymore. I think ACTORS will go the wayside before musicians.

    At any rate, humans will create new jobs to make new things or provide new services. We will have time to travel, write, play golf, fish, hike, maybe even read and read and expand our minds. The human mind conceives, robots can only put the concepts together.

    • 1. Well, that’s like your opinion, man!

      2. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Demand has increased, sure, but productivity has outstripped it in every industry (oh, fine, I’m sure you’ll be able to point to ONE). In the example of your gold mine – we want more gold (of course!), but what took a small army to mine a century ago takes a dozen men and some advanced mining equipment. Just ask yourself, let’s take something easier to track like coal, how many people were employed mining coal in 1920 and how many are today? And how much coal is being mined per miner?

      This is how the chart looks (over the long term) for every industry… to some degree or another.

      Any industry which hires a lot of people will find a way to automate away that huge cost. Over the long term. Because the alternative is a wholly unsubstantiated opinion that there are things that only humans will ever be able to do.

      4) OMG the robots are coming.

      Yup.

      Robots cannot compose original music.

      Is that so?

      Are you sure, JAC?

      Are you sure you’re sure about that, JAC?

      Robots can play digitial music, not manage a violin or guitar.

      Are you sure about that, too, JAC?

      JAC, are you sure?

      http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/14/tech/meet-the-robot-guitarist/index.html

      I think ACTORS will go the wayside before musicians.

      Well, I mean, have you seen Jennifer Lawrence “act”? If that’s not a robot, I don’t know what is.

      At any rate, humans will create new jobs to make new things or provide new services.

      Of course they will!

      But they will have fewer jobs. And those jobs will be only for higher skilled / higher intelligence workers. And, as time goes by, the number of jobs will shrink in each of those new services.

      You seem to be positing some heretofore unknown law that job creating must keep pace with the number of people seeking jobs. I suppose that’s why there has never been involuntary unemployment…

      We will have time to travel, write, play golf, fish, hike, maybe even read and read and expand our minds.

      Yes, that’s the utopia version. When the computers take our jobs, we won’t need to work. So we’ll be free to experience life as humans.

      Then again, I could just as easily see it consolidating power in the hands of a cabal of owners of said robots, leaving them unimaginably rich and powerful and the rest of us without a pot to piss in, let alone the means to travel.

      And, of course, they’ll be protected by a robot army, so good luck with your uprising.

      The human mind conceives, robots can only put the concepts together.

      I’m not entirely sure what this means.. how are you defining this? Can you corroborate this?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        1) Yes, it is my opinion. Based on a rational, that is reasoned and logical, consideration of moral/ethical and political principles. What is your opinion based on, beside the emotion of OMG people are hurting? I am betting it comes down to: “If we don’t help those out of work they will riot and revolt, and tip over the whole thing.” You see, that is not a commitment or obligation. That is fear or outright extortion.

        2) Productivity cannot outstrip demand. Not for very long. It only reduces the amount of cost needed to produce X. The lower the cost the greater the demand, as new market sectors open up. Due to LOWER PRICES. Big surprise with that graph of yours. Increased productivity reduced the amount of labor input to production. Kind of stating the obvious there young Mathius.

        3) Composing and playing. YES, Mathius. I am absolutely sure. Creating music based on computer programs, written by humans, and applying machine pressure on strings is NOT composing and playing. I will grant you this, however. AI, robots, computers, etc. can certainly create music, even play it, that is on par with much of the garbage that passes for music these days.

        4) The leftist Distopia. Yep, that is the usual left wing view of the world. The rich hoard everything and the rest of us starve. Despite the fact that the Rich get RICHER by expanding markets to include more and more people. Despite the fact that as robots reduce the cost of robots they will become available for more and more people.

        • Canine Weapon says:

          What is your opinion based on, beside the emotion of OMG people are hurting?

          People are important, JAC.

          I’m a dog. I know these things.

        • I am betting it comes down to: “If we don’t help those out of work they will riot and revolt, and tip over the whole thing.” You see, that is not a commitment or obligation. That is fear or outright extortion.

          That would be the utilitarian argument.

          Do something for the shit is going to hit the fan. Hard.

          Helping them helps yourself because the alternative is full scale revolt.

          By the way, that revolt almost certainly ends with the deaths of The Poors because The Rich will have all the big toys.

          By the by the way, you will be included in The Poors.

          So will I.

          Only the 0.1% will be on the other side when the day comes. Maybe the 0.01%.

          It’s going to be us vs the billionaires and the are going to kick our asses.

          So do it for yourself, JAC.

        • Canine Weapon says:

          4) The leftist Distopia. Yep, that is the usual left wing view of the world. The rich hoard everything and the rest of us starve. Despite the fact that the Rich get RICHER by expanding markets to include more and more people. Despite the fact that as robots reduce the cost of robots they will become available for more and more people.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      JAC…

      I used to do lots of Dutch oven cooking. The mingled flavors in the cast iron make some great flavors. One if my grandmother’s cherished possessions were her cast iron cookware.

      Actors are disappearing with CGI. Producers don’t have to put up with the prima donnas, nor pay residuals. Thousands of extras are digitally produced. Compare Ben Hur to Gladiator.

      Remember they said the same thing back in the 70’s as computers became more mainstream. “What is everyone going to do with all their spare time”?

      What I found is that I worked harder and longer hours developing new and better was to produce whatever we were doing. No matter what it was. If you stayed stuck with the same methodology you were soon run over by the competition and would go the way of the dinosaur. If you did not deliver the products the customer demanded at a competitive rate you were soon gone.

      There still is some demand for buggy whips. Even those craftsman are under pressure in the days of global internet sales, from a nibble fingered Thai. Even LL Bean used to pride itself on selling only American made product. If they didn’t change that iconic store would be gone. Years ago I wanted to buy a 4+ person tent with a central common area. ‘LL Bean was a good product at X dollars. Coleman also produces excellent products. A similar tent by Coleman was X – 2/3 made in Thailand, no skimping on material quality or craftsmanship.
      The decision was a simple one to make.

      • One if my grandmother’s cherished possessions were her cast iron cookware.

        I got an iron waffle maker from pre-WWII from my grandfather.

        Unfortunately, the whole thing was made of cast iron except the hinge. Someone put it away on a top shelf and it fell, cracking the hinge. And the floor. And probably the sub-floor.

        I still have it.

        I tried getting the hinge 3d printed, but unfortunately, the plastic couldn’t take the heat when the unit was on. I’m considering having it 3d printed in metal, but it’s soooooo expensive. Or, it was a few years ago – I should check again…

        That thing made The. Best. Waffles. 😦

      • Actors are disappearing with CGI. Producers don’t have to put up with the prima donnas, nor pay residuals. Thousands of extras are digitally produced. Compare Ben Hur to Gladiator.

        Extras, yes.

        Leading / speaking actors, not really.

        Not yet, anyway.

        But it’s coming, I promise you… just a matter of time.

        They did Arnold in one of the terminator movies, but that only worked because he was supposed to be still and not-quite-human.

      • There still is some demand for buggy whips. Even those craftsman are under pressure in the days of global internet sales, from a nibble fingered Thai. Even LL Bean used to pride itself on selling only American made product. If they didn’t change that iconic store would be gone. Years ago I wanted to buy a 4+ person tent with a central common area. ‘LL Bean was a good product at X dollars. Coleman also produces excellent products. A similar tent by Coleman was X – 2/3 made in Thailand, no skimping on material quality or craftsmanship.
        The decision was a simple one to make.

        That’s called globalization.

        And it makes sense: find the cheapest party to do X.

        The thing is, there’s big development cost to teach the bots to do X and, if applicable, to build the machinery to do it, too.

        But once you get over that hurdle, the bots are better.

        Every time.

        So it starts in America, gets moved to Thailand, then gets automated by American technology.

        Round and round she goes.

        But the upshot is that what was initially thousands of jobs becomes just a handful of highly specialized jobs.

        Every damned time.

  7. Pasty white Pocahontas Liz warren has made a complete fool of herself. She is LESS Indian than the average American of European decent. She don’t even qualify for a Hummingbird feather 😀 She is SO white her new nickname should be Pasty Cracker Pocahontas (PCP). Does her now known fraud 20-30 or so years ago matter to the Left?

    • In case it was missed, the people who did the test admitted that they didn’t even use Native American DNA to compare with, but substituted Mexican, Peruvian and Columbian DNA in it’s place.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        As I understand it according to ancestry.com, there are so few samples of native American, as in North American, it is very hard to make or draw any definite conclusions.

        There was a quasi serious joke going around in VT when I lived there. There was a lot of lawsuits by native Americans, Algonquin, that this or that tract of land was theirs and demanded those currently owning get out without any compensation. Even if the family had been in possession since the French and Indian wars.

        None had any proof of prior claim, nor even prove they were of the tribe that historically inhabited the area, they were drifting down from Canada.

        The joke was to invoke the old law forbidding the sale of alcohol to native Americans and we’d see how fast theyd skeedadled back to Quebec.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        So she probably can claim Black and Asiatic ancestry now.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I just read the “NBC” article about Warren’s DNA test results. Even the Cherokee nation rejects her claim.

        But then Warren is a product of modern society. Be all that you can be, or should I say want to be.

        • I imagine that she thought pointing the $1mm from the “bet” to go to a Native American cause might have bought her an in.

          I bet if it had been $100, they’d have claimed her as one of them so fast your head would be spinning.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        The problem with South American DNA is that there were probably three major migrations to North America so the DNA may be confused. I remember a book published in the late 1800’s by an American photographer who went all over the States trying to photograph native Americans before the blood lines got mixed. I was fascinated by the variety. Southwestern tribes differed markedly from Northern and Eastern tribes.

        Edwin S. Curtis…..Look at some of the photos, some are obviously Asian, many are not. I have Eastern European relatives and friends who could pass.

        https://www.google.com/search?q=edward+s.+curtis+photographs&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=NSkbbRUbl2OtPM%253A%252CwnrzrvtlrhdlpM%252C_&usg=AI4_-kTtfXcQOJt5y-EvIT4RJbrWEGsklA&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx7u7wqYveAhWlTd8KHfsCDZ0Q9QEwAnoECAAQCA#imgrc=NSkbbRUbl2OtPM:

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Absolutely. The Asian genetic features “mongolian” were the last migrations across the land bridge. These genetic markers are actually quite new. Approximately 40000 years old. The further you get away from the northwest, west the less of the DNA marker is found. My sister in laws grandmother was 100% Crow. She looked very European even light skin. Her mother was very raw boned, tall and dark skinned other than her dark skin, looked very European. No Asiatic features. But the sister in law, though 1/4 crow is so European featured as were her kids and grandkids. All the male spouses were Dutch German or French.

  8. So warren is (presumably) 1/64th – 1/1024th Native American.

    Ok… I probably am, too.

    And I am super white.

    ::sigh::

    I’m not entirely sure why she thought this might exonerate her, but I’m sure it has something to do with 2020…

    That said…..

    His wager was wrapped in a caveat. He promised he WOULD make the wager if he debates her.

    So, I guess, technically, he was right that he didn’t make the wager. I’d say she’s performed sufficiently to “win” on the meagerest of technicalities, but he hasn’t made the bet, so she can’t win it.

    This round, I guess, goes to Trump.

  9. JAC,

    Robots cannot compose original music. Robots can play digitial music, not manage a violin or guitar.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mathius

      Until robots have feelings, that is real emotion, they cannot compose nor play instruments like the violin or guitar. Not even the sax.

      The reasons are the same as why not every human can do these things.

      • Until robots have feelings, that is real emotion, they cannot compose nor play instruments like the violin or guitar. Not even the sax.

        Objection: unsupportable drivel!

        Further: That which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

        The reasons are the same as why not every human can do these things.

        I cannot play the sax.

        Are you saying that the reason I cannot do so is because I am an unemotional automaton?

        That hurts!

        Err.. well, it would if I had any emotions…

        The reasons are the same as why not every human can do these things.

        A machine can play the sax because it has the technical ability and the training / programming to do so. It can do so perfectly, and beautifully, and, if you didn’t know better, you would have no idea whether a human were playing or a machine.

        Given that, how is it that you can posit some quality which does not affect the music itself and as assert that it is a prerequisite?

        That’s like me saying “only tall people can play.” Oh, sure, the vertically challenged can approximate playing, but not really because they lack the height to do so. How does that make any sense?

      • I almost forgot…

        Also know as “moving the goalposts,” you made a claim and, having been shown wrong, redefined your claim to make it true retroactively and without logical support.

        Claim: “Robots cannot compose original music. Robots can play digitial music, not manage a violin or guitar.”

        Counterproof: youtube video of original score composed by an AI and a link to a news article with a youtube video of a robot jamming on a guitar.

        Moving goalposts: “Until robots have feelings, that is real emotion, they cannot compose nor play instruments like the violin or guitar. Not even the sax.” Here, you have changed the meaning of “play instruments” in an unsupported manner in order to incorporate the need for feelings/emotions in order to make your proven false (yes, Jac, “proven” – you want a piece of me?!?).. in or der to make your proven false claim into a different claim which would be true. (namely: “Robots cannot emotionally compose music or play physical instruments” which is true, but meaningless in my opinion).

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          A robot cannot compose music. It can only execute the commands/programs it is given. It is not capable of original thought and thus does not actually compose anything.

          I have seen great musicians. Sorry, but your robots just don’t have it. Neither do the majority of humans.

          • Hogwash.

            Once again, you’ve moved the goalposts. No longer arguing about emotionality, you’re now insisting “It is not capable of original thought and thus does not actually compose anything” as if that were somehow required.

            If you think AI / machine learning is just “executing the commands/programs it is given,” then you have a LOT to learn about the topic.

            Here’s a simple thought: Did the AI create song which you or I would recognize as “new”? Yes? Yes it did. Did that song exist before the machine spat it out? No? No it did not.
            Then from whence did it come? Was that some not “composed”? Did it just apparate into being? Are there, somehow, compositions which were never composed?

            Show me where in the dictionary your unique definition is supported:
            Composition
            [kom-puh-zish-uh n]
            1. the act of combining parts or elements to form a whole.
            2. the resulting state or product.
            3. manner of being composed; structure:
            This painting has an orderly composition.

            The AI took existing elements just as any composer does – you don’t think Beethoven invented the minor c, do you? – and combined them to form a whole. Which you have listened to. And which was pretty good, actually.

            Did any artist spawn fully formed from their mother’s womb and come out composing, or were they taught by others? Did they not take note of the songs they heard and the rhythms and the melodies and combine and mix these things to compose “original” works? What, then, is the difference with AI? We created it, we taught it, it took the things it learned, mixed it up, and created something new and original. No different.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              No HUMAN to program the AI and you get NO MUSIC. Very simple.

              I said they cannot compose ORIGINAL material. I have not moved the goal posts, I simply explained it in differing ways. Emotion is obviously part of the human experience and that informs the ORIGINAL composition of music.

              A human that learns and then adapts their own style or work is not the same thing as a person programming a robot. Even if that programming includes an iterative cycle or many such cycles.

              • No HUMAN to program the AI and you get NO MUSIC. Very simple.

                No human to “program” other humans and you get no music.

                Do you think composers invent music out of whole cloth? Or are they taught? Were they not taught to read music and the notation and the timing? Did they not learn form listening to other music?

              • I said they cannot compose ORIGINAL material.

                Show me one piece of music – one – that is completely “original”?

              • A human that learns and then adapts their own style or work is not the same thing as a person programming a robot.

                Of course it is.

                The AI learns and then adapts.

                We feed them pieces, they sample them, break them down, and churn out new music. We listen to the new pieces, tell them what we do and do not like, and it goes back and tries again.

                It’s the exact same thing.

                I wonder, maybe, if you have a misunderstanding about machine learning and AI. We aren’t talking here about procedural execution of code like BASIC. Nobody actually “wrote” that music (play an A, then a C#…). What they programmed was how the computer should “learn” and then they fed it information from which to learn.

              • I see how AI can write music but I don’t understand how they can be creative beyond their programming. Like sex bots, if all you want is physical pleasure, bots can or will probably be able to provide that, but without Real emotion, a connection beyond the physical seems impossible.

  10. Top 2 ranked Crat’s for 2020, rich old white men….just sayin 🙂

  11. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I guess the proof is in that the Russians meddled in the 2016 presidential election, ad they did in 2012, 2008, 2004, 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1984, 1980, 1977, 1973. My DNA results show that i have some Russian ancestry

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    So is this really what the LEFT considers bigotry???

    https://thinkprogress.org/lindsey-graham-fox-friends-iranian-bigotry-9cfd92ee2975/

  13. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Nice battle heading into the Supreme Court over a question over “Citizenship” on the 2020 census.

    My guess it will be included and if answered even close to honestly, California will lose, 15% of their House seats, Illinois will lose a bunch as will New York. As will Florida, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and even Texas, though they are doing all they can to clean up their voting rolls.

    In my opinion “ALL PERSONS” shall be counted, but only those that are citizens should vote in elections that affect the nation as a whole, ie president, Congress etc.

    If a State wishes to include illegals or non citizens in their own voting community and State legislature that’s their business. It’ll be their problem, just then don’t come crawling to the national governmental bodies to fix their self generated problem

    North Carolina has a Constitutional Amendment on the ballot next month. A legal State issued photo id will be required to vote.
    I haven’t heard much complaint by people about how by 2020 your state issued photo id/license will not be good enough when entering a federal building, flying etc. A federal Id will be required. “Show me your papers” my new state license/id says right at the top that it does not meet the federal Id 2020 requirements.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Dale

      SCOTUS may rule the question can remain. It is stupid to think it somehow violates the Constitutional protections.

      On the other hand, allocation of House Seats is done by population, not citizens. So I do not see Congressional seats changing as a result. Remember the 2/5’s rule. Slaves were not considered Citizens then either but were counted towards Congressional seats.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        OK, however, let’s invoke the 2/5 rule again. Instead of slaves have it updated concerning non citizens. Either way slaves and Indians couldn’t vote

        • It was 3/5ths not 2/5ths. Yes the House is based on population, there is no stipulation concerning citizenship. If the census can ask about the number of toilets in your house or your ethnicity, then the can ask about citizenship. It is all based on the honor system anyway. Having the statistical information might be helpful in determining the magnitude of the problem. Currently we operate under the ostrich principle. We do not know how big the illegal population is or the magnitude of voter fraud.

          The citizenship question was on the census for many years. They even asked the year of immigration.

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    What a load of Bulldookey.

    Once again, “they will kill the children”.

    https://thinkprogress.org/head-of-epas-childrens-health-office-fears-kids-are-disposable-under-trump-0580af12b77b/

    For those that do not know, the Federal regulations on lead are already so onerous that you cannot tear out old construction without having a Hazmat team control the dust. Not just lead but also asbestos. Hell, you cannot even have a contractor paint your house without a lead risk assessment.

    The Flint Michigan problem does not require more Fed. regulations. It just required money to tear up old pipes to meet the EXISTING Federal standards.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      I was working on the house where I used to live. Originally built in 1843. The clapboard had been replaced a few years ago, but the ornate scroll work and other areas had an unbelievable paint build-up. As I was working an EPA inspector stopped by. Asking all sorts of questions. I knew as the resident doing my own work I wouldn’t get any citation. However, if I was a contractor and not certified dealing with lead paint regulations I would have faced heavy fines. Even so I was dealing with it as regulations required, and no matter how hard she looked and leaves and pine needles she turned over, no paint chips were found in the soil. She walked away eventually disappointed.

      • When we moved into our house in ’09, we pumped a ton of money into fixing it up. Nothing illegal, all above board (or at least substantially so).. all necessary licences and permits…

        At one point, an inspector shows up. He wants to see the house to assess it for tax purposes.

        Now, we’re on file for what we’re on file for, but if we let that guy in the house, he’s going to jack up our bill for all the stuff we didn’t have to report.

        So my wife gets into a fight with the guy who is clearly not used to being refused. She’s a… well, she’s a tough broad.

        Later on, the guy comes back when I’m home and I flatly refuse as well. Guy leaves and never comes back.

        Anyway, years and years go by and, in early 2018, we go to sell. We go to the town and request a copy of our file so we can prove everything’s legal, etc.

        And there….

        In the file….

        On the assessment page…

        Is a small note…

        Unsigned…

        Underlined….

        In red….

        Warning: “husband is fine, but wife is very aggressive.”

        I nearly died when I read it.

  15. Canine Weapon says:

    Have we finally gone too far?!

  16. Would someone please play this out for me:

    Let us suppose that I am right that, in the near-ish future (20 years tops), machines will replace all or nearly all of the jobs occupied or potentially occupied by anyone with an IQ below 85, one standard deviation below average, or approximately 16% of the population, or 1.2 billion people worldwide by today’s population (though obviously much more when this does happen).

    Let us suppose that I am right that there will be NOTHING they can do gainfully in the workforce (and that anything they do find will be rapidly automated away or be extremely rare). Thus they are structurally and permanently unemployed.

    Play it out for me.

    What happens next?

  17. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    As people continue to fawn over Lennon’s iconic “Imagine”, I am always struck by what a total boring place his Lotus Land would be.

    The problem with your basic premise is that the bulk of the world does not operate under our rules. I would think a variety of forms of fundamentalism would start emerging and drag everything down.

    • Can we all agree that it’s a magnificent song, regardless of your opinion on life in that reality?

      That said, maybe it goes a bit far in some places, but the basic premise is “imagine if people stopped being aggressive assholes and started getting along?”

  18. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Who, besides me, does not give a flying crap if the Saudi’s off their own citizens who become a pain in the ass?

    • Well… I mean… they shouldn’t be killing people extra-judicially ….

      As a general rule, I’m against killing anyone ever under any circumstances except self-defense – and even then, only as a last resort.

      So, yea, I give a flying crap.

      I understand that “governments killing people,” whether their own citizens or not, is a longstanding tradition of governments. But that doesn’t make it something I’m ok with. Whether it’s Obama or Trump or the Saudis.

      I do recognize that, as a generality, some people just need killing (see: Osama), and, though I’d prefer arrest and imprisonment, I recognize that a predator drone can be the more pragmatic solution. So I don’t really begrudge governments all of their murders. But I hardly think journalists fall into this category.

      As another general rule, if you have to kill journalists, it’s because you’re doing something wrong and you don’t want them to expose it.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Or, you could be doing something right and you don’t want them to expose it. I’m reminded of that Mile Wallace round table years ago when he talked of the ethics for a newsman to reveal plans for a military attack, an American military, attack before they happened. The theory was that American or not, the newsman had a duty to the world which superseded his citizenship. Now this round table was post Viet-nam which turned conventional rules on their heads but if this guy were going to do that, and I were in the military, he might go home in a body bag.

        I see more agita over this right now, this moment than I see for the thousands upon thousands of Chinese that have just disappeared since Tianiman square, the Chinese Muslims locked up in labor camps and the 16,000 Turks locked up after the “alleged” coup. I wonder why?

  19. The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

    I understand that “governments killing people,” whether their own citizens or not, is a longstanding tradition of governments. But that doesn’t make it something I’m ok with. Whether it’s Obama or Trump or the Saudis.

    Even a stopped clock is right twice a day….

    So I don’t really begrudge governments all of their murders.

    Nope.. never mind…

  20. Rumor has it Mueller is about to release his report. Is this a political move as in an October surprise?

    • Time to go on record:

      A) I am against “weaponizing” investigations (see Clinton, Benghazi, HUAC).
      B) I do not think Mueller will release his report until after the midterms (assuming he’s even close to doing so).
      C) I do not think Mueller should release his report until after the midterms, assuming he’s remotely close doing so anyway.

      That said…. remember when they released the Benghazi report in the heat of the general election in 2016? Does anyone remember that? Does anyone think that that timing was a fluke?

      • Special Counsel Robert Mueller is expected to issue findings on core aspects of his Russia probe soon after the November midterm elections as he faces intensifying pressure to produce more indictments or shut down his investigation, according to two U.S. officials.
        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mueller-ready-to-deliver-key-findings-in-his-trump-probe-sources-say/ar-BBOvb0s?

        On your thoughts concerning AI and jobs going to robots- I don’t see this happening much in rural areas. But, the Urban areas might be different, but I think the eventual outcome will not end well. Imagine, if you will, 3 million Liberals who currently want to eat the rich become unemployed while a few get wealthy. What do you think these people will do? If you think today’s violent crap is bad, wait till then……cities will burn…..factories that make robots will burn and so on. Conservatives, just so you know, will be providing the gas and matches 😀

      • Of course the timing was not a fluke…..it was designed to hurt Hillary Clinton.

        I personally feel, that Robert Mueller, is not a saint…..not in the way he staffed his investigation committee….I personally believe that he was in there to take down President Trump at the behest of the DNC…..I personally believe that his investigation is tainted by the apparently false information in the FISA warrants. I also personally believe that Robert Mueller is part of the deep state….I personally believe that if he had any information to impart on the Russia Collusion and it would take down Trump that he would do it today…..I personally believe that the reason he is waiting until after the mid terms is that he does not want to give the Republicans any ammunition, especially Trump, to tout on radio and Twitter that he has nothing concerning Russian interference and the Trump campaign….

        That about says it for me.

  21. gman,

    On your thoughts concerning AI and jobs going to robots- I don’t see this happening much in rural areas.

    Really? You don’t?

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-employed-in-agriculture-since-1800

    You don’t see machines taking the jobs away from people in rural areas?

    100 years ago, the US had ~11mm agricultural workers. Today, that number is about 2mm. Meanwhile, output doesn’t appear to have been tracked prior to 1948, but it looks like its a little over 2.5x since then.

    A fifth as many workers to produce 250% (at least!) the output.

    Friend, you don’t see this happening because it already happened.

    And, boy, howdy, is it going to get worse.

    Once machine learning really gets going, all the picking jobs are going to vanish, too. Trucking, supplychain, etc, are all doomed as well.

    Ten years from now, there will be fewer than 1mm agricultural workers, and output is going to be up at least another 20%.

    —-

    So let’s ignore your fantasy that it will only screw the liberals. It will screw everyone in favor of just a few rich folks.

    So, I ask again, you play this out for me. What happens when another million farm workers are out of the job – permanently – plus everyone who drives for a living – plus pretty much everyone in a “low skill” job. This won’t be isolated to the cities.

    I tell you this future is bearing down on us fast. So, again, I ask.. play it out for me.

    ASSUME that I’m right and all these jobs are going to go POOF. What happens then?

    • And, by the way, this ignores the pending futures of lab-grown meat (don’t mock it – it’s inevitable). It’ll be cheaper, healthier, and, frankly, more ethical. (I’m not a bleeding heart vegetarian, but I do know that, if there’s another way for me to get my steak, killing animals for it is wrong). Fifty years from now, “animal” meat is going to be a niche market. The colonel’s ranch is going to be screwed. They’ll be produced on an assembly line manned by machines that don’t sleep, don’t make mistakes, and don’t need to get paid.

      And, also, don’t forget vertical farms which will allow cities to produce mass quantities of local and sustainable crops in a more industrial manner. Cheap, more efficient, less waste, no pesticides, temperature controlled, day/night cycle controlled.. and they will be able to play with the CO2 levels in the air to huge crops. They’ll be produced on an assembly line manned by machines that don’t sleep, don’t make mistakes, and don’t need to get paid. They’ll be able to use machine learning to cull weak produce in the early stages, leaving only the healthy produce, and cutting down on waste. They’ll be able to detect soil moisture levels and acidity levels at the individual plant level. You can’t do any of that on a traditional farm. Plus, being local, there will be less cost of delivery. The only thing the bread basket has is more space, but I would expect to see vertical farms start to encroach a few percent over the coming decade and replace them entirely within fifty years.

      ——-

      So, again, I ask you: what happens to all those people once this comes to pass?

      • 11M – 2M = 9M. How did they find work? This is nothing new. When Cyrus McCormick introduced his reaper in England there were large protests. We weathered that storm and will weather anything in the future. Somebody has to invent, design, build, program and maintain the machines.

        • In the past, we replaced human muscle with machines.

          Now, we are starting to replace human mind with machines.

          They can think – albeit narrowly for now – and that opens them up to do anything a human can do.

          We’re not talking about the reaper. We’re talking about the jobs that haven’t historically lent themselves to machine labor. Strawberry picker. Driver. You name it.

          The problem is that those 9mm people were displaced over a century. I’m looking at a comparable number, if not more, displaced over a decade. A million from agriculture and another 8 from low-skilled labor across the country. (note, numbers pulled out of my hindquarters, but it could easily be much, much worse).

          Self driving cars aren’t some sci fi concept. They already exist. And they’re better than humans. Already. Now, not in the future. Today. They exist and they are superior. How much longer do you think bureaucrats can hold back the dam before every trucking company in America replaces its entire fleet with safer, more efficient, more reliable, cheaper drivers?

          “There are 3.5 million professional truck drivers in the US, and more than 200,000 taxi drivers, and close to another 200,000 (at least part time) Uber drivers. This is something close to four million people who could find themselves deprived of at least a significant part of their earnings in the near future.”

          And that’s JUST in trucking, cabbing, and uber. That’s to say nothing of deliveries (Amazon is looking into drone shipping) or literally ANY other job-reducing advancement in automation anywhere.

          The market cannot and will not absorb that.

          And it is going to get very ugly.

          • You smoking funny weed today?

            • Tell me where I’m wrong, Colonel?

              Let’s take the trucks/cabs only.

              That’s ~4mm jobs.

              The tech exists – TODAY – now, currently, to replace them. Self-driving cars are already safer and more fuel efficient than human driven ones.

              Do you think the trucking / cabbing companies are going to ignore this fact forever? Do you think that unions and government bureaucrats will be able to hold the dam forever?

              How long?

              Another few years? 10 years? 15?

              Do you honestly think that “trucker” will still be a job in 20 years?

              And, if not, what happens to those ~4mm people?

              Where do you see them going?

              • I am not going to say that you are wrong…..I am going to say…..not in my nor your lifetime as it pertains to over the road drivers. Please allow me to explain:

                First, self driving cars will probably be ok in metropolitan areas….like New York. I do not see them employed on highway issues. I used to drive a souped up Jeep Grand Cherokee….it had the bells and whistles on it including the technology to regulate your speed and distance between cars while on cruise control. It would slow down to keep what was a predetermined car length distance from the car in front of you. I put 3,000 miles on it and got rid of it. Here was the problem. The technology could not differentiate between a car or a hill in front of you. If the road was straight and level, everything was ok. But in New Mexico or on a highway going through hills or mountains, the “radar” would read a rise in the road as a car and slow down. Secondly, it did not take into effect weather related issues and create a longer distance between you and the car in front of you on highway speeds. Third, in a snow storm or hard rain, it did not work anyway. Fourth, being on the wet road, the spray from cars in front of you would “clog” the sensors and stop you in your tracks. So, while I am sure these are merely glitches in programming and could possibly be solved, I do not see diverless cars on over the road or mountainous functions.

                Now, I can speak direcly to over the road trucking since we owned a trucking company that employed over 300 OTR drivers until we sold out to the big boys. There are weather related functions on the road that simply cannot be regulated by technology. For example, high winds in mountainous areas or on the plains of Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, etc. Side winds that will topple a truck on the highways as sudden as a rougue wave in the ocean. You cannot see them…they are all of a sudden just there and no technology today ( even the space shuttle ) can over come weather related phenomenon. When braking over heats with large loads and downhill pathways, no amount of technology is going to keep a runaway from happening, much less control a truck before it careens out of control. Humans still have to react to emergency procedures.

                Avionics…..I have avionics in my plane that is state of the art. My plane can intercept coordinates, turn, line up on ILS or intercept glide slopes. From takeoff to landing, I do not even have to touch the plane except in three instances. Avionics cannot intitate a take off sequence nor can it land a plane and it cannot react to emergency procedures. It cannot pick an alternate landing site. It cannot climb nor descend on its own but it can do everything else while in standard flight. Even the space shuttle was flown by computer except in one area….it could not land it and it could not inititate emergency procedures.

                Now, I will digress with you in methropolitan areas. Driverless cabs…maybe. Driverless cars…again maybe. I do not want any of that but I can see it happen in certain situations. I just recently bought a new car and I rode in a Cadillac with a hands off parallel parking feature. It did it just fine. But it could not drive you out of it.

                So, I can see certain areas…..like cabs. Personally, if you take the cab drivers off the road, I would not care. I do not use them anyway…but when I was in New York, you used them everywhere. I would have a problem putting total faith in technology.

                So, in your time frame….no sir, I do not see it happening outside some metropolitan areas.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Same answer as before:

        Possibles?

        Idle hands are the devil’s workshop.

        Check out the end of the HG Wells movie, “Things to Come”.

        Addendum:

        Human beings have the uncanny ability to totally F*** up a good thing.

        This is NOT the one I’m talking about the 1936 Raymond Massey Cedric Hardwick movie but I like the poster….

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3916196/mediaviewer/rm0790784

      • Paging DPM………………….I thought you had control over this guy?

  22. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Back to the Saudi Reporter……Have we not been told time and time again that we must look the other way and accept the “cultural norms’ of other people from around the world? Obviously offing a unpopular reporter is a Saudi custom so we should not condemn it but rather applaud and celebrate it. Besides, Sharia law probably covers it.

    Second thought. Is it not, the pot calling the kettle black for Turkey of all places to be “upset” at the Saudi’s doing this? Last I looked, they locked up 16,000 people two years ago without trial over an a”alleged” coup. Wonder how many of them have died in custody?

  23. It shouldn’t be surprising to know that the misinformed Left is due to a lack of information that they get:

    https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/10/18/nets-ignore-upsurge-attacks-against-gop-candidates-and

  24. Seeking parenting opinions:

    How does one thread the needle between raising a “self confident” daughter and an “arrogant / know-it-all” daughter?

    • I’m pretty sure the words “self confident” and “a know it all” mean the same thing when talking about children. 😂

      • Course it’s also true, that a know it all attitude can be cover for when they aren’t feeling particularly confident.

    • Catholic school. The nuns did a pretty good job on me. Don’t forget the word humble mixes in there somewhere too.

      • … but we’re Jews….

        Not very good Jews, mind you.. but Jewish enough that Catholic school isn’t really an option.

        What if I just started hitting my kids with a ruler. Would that work?

    • Not much different, Mathius. Self confidence is often mistaken for arrogance. Might I ask the age of your daughter?

      • 6.. going on 16.

        She’s whip smart in some areas and, well, not so much in others.

        So, for example, I’m teaching her chess. She’s played a grand total of 4 games so far and, frankly, for having played 4 games, she’s spectacular. She gets the general strategy, how the pieces move (knights are still a bit tricky), can look a move ahead, etc.

        But she’s played 4 games. And she’s 6. I can still easily hand her ass back to her. But, of course, I don’t. I sacrifice my queen for no reason and point it out to her when she misses things, pass up easy forks, etc.

        So she’s had three narrow losses and a draw. (When she wins a game it’s going to be because she damned well beat me and she will be justly proud of an earned victory. No participation trophies for my kids. So this probably won’t happen for another decade at the least.)

        All that is to say that she knows she’s not as good at me. But she thinks she’s the best 6 year old in the world and oh, isn’t she so brilliant and she she’s the smartest and she’s going to be better than me soon, etc.

        And I want her to feel smart and I want her to feel good about being smart and I want her to have faith that she can accomplish the things she puts her mind to. And I want her to enjoy hard things and stretch her mind and believe that she can be the best provided she works hard and doesn’t give up (yea, yea, dad, we know.. work hard and never give up.. ::eye roll::).

        But, at the same time, I don’t want her to be obnoxious and arrogant and think or act like she’s better than anyone. I don’t want her talking down to other kids or rubbing it in their faces when she knows something they don’t. She’s.. not the best at social queues.. and this is not how one makes friends.

        Does this make sense?

    • There is no needle to thread. Kids will go through phases, “know it all” is one of them. Self confidence comes with success and as a kid, lots of mistakes. In the end, she will be much like her parents are, and were at her age. As far as arrogance, growing up around lots of Liberal’s won’t help 😀 Move to the country 😉

      • In the end, she will be much like her parents are, and were at her age.

        I sincerely hope you mean more like her mother, not like me……… ::shudder::

    • Just A Citizen says:

      #1… Have more than one child.

      #2… Do not allow arrogance, that is real arrogance, to have a place in your house.

      #3….Have rules for behavior that are rational. Then ENFORCE them strictly. Mushy spoiled children is not the same as “self-confident’.

      I am sure you are up on all the good parenting ideas. In our house we would point out “unacceptable behavior” and made sure the little ones knew it and understood that “time out” was going to follow if they ignored the first explanation of their offense.

      When “time out” fails, you have to take away something of value to them. In my daughters case it was some of her freedom. “Grounded” was a deadly word that sent chills up the children’s spine.

      • Grounding works well…..especially ially on prom nights.

      • #1. Done.

        #2. I try.

        #3. I do. I do not negotiate with terrorists. My rules are law. (You did X. I warned you. You kept doing X. You suffer the consequences and I don’t car how sad that makes you. Next time, make better choices.)

        My wife on the other hand.. well.. she’s a bit mushier. In fact, really, the only serious parenting friction we ever have is when I lay down the law and she undercuts me with her bleeding heart. I get it, I do, but GAAAA!!!!

        • My wife on the other hand.. well.. she’s a bit mushier. In fact, really, the only serious parenting friction we ever have is when I lay down the law and she undercuts me with her bleeding heart. …………..Now THIS is where the rubber meets the road…nothing adds to the arrogance more than one parent not backing the other one up. I went through this as all of us probably have. I can recall laying down the law….and getting the answer….”Well, I will go ask mom..she will let me do it.” In my book, that is justifiable homicide on both the child and the spouse…..HOWEVER, a precocious 6 year old learns how to “play the system”…how to pit one parent against the other….

          I am convinced that while parents sleep, some nocturnal visitor sneaks into children’s rooms and implants subliminal thoughts into their minds. It is sinister. I turned it on my wife by not backing her up once……from then on we backed each other….and really had to fight seeing our punishment through when the precocious 6 year old suddenly turns on the “little girl” charm. That is ingrained at birth…it is vicious and a secret weapon.

          WARNING: Do not confuse arrogance with belligerence….there is a difference.

    • Don’t fret much, just be a loving father. You’ll end up doing what your wife says anyway 😀

    • “How does one thread the needle between raising a “self confident” daughter and an “arrogant / know-it-all” daughter?”

      Marry/Impregnate a woman like the daughter you hope to raise.

      • Upbringing plays a roll here… I married a strong, intelligent, capable, and confident woman. It should be no surprise I have similar-ish children.

        But I still need to guide their development, no?

        • “Upbringing plays a roll here… I married a strong, intelligent, capable, and confident woman. It should be no surprise I have similar-ish children.”

          Your wife is essentially defining what a woman is to your children. Your daughter will become her and your son will marry a woman like her. You’re also defining “man” for them. Your son will become you and your daughter will marry a man like you who treats her like you treat your wife.

          “But I still need to guide their development, no?”

          Of course. ..And a large part of that is role modeling. Another part of it is simply explaining it, as children like to know their parameters and how to handle things. Their stress is different from adults who already have all that figured out. So use social interaction as a learning experience.

          ‘ You’re doing great, are an awesome kid, I love you and am very proud of you. But that’s not a very good way to handle it. Here’s why, ..and here’s a better way of handling it next time…’

  25. And now you have actress Mary Costa, who played Princess Aurora, now saying that the fable of Sleeping Beauty probably should be taken down because of the uninvited kiss from Prince Charming………………….it could easily send the wrong message about kissing girls while they sleep to wake them up.

    Does it ever stop?

    • Well… I mean.. that is pretty inappropriate to be kissing unconscious women you’ve never met…..

      That said, if I recall correctly, in the original fairy tale, he has sex with her to wake her up.. times were different back then, I guess….

      • I am not talking about the Sleeping Beauty in the XXX theater you used to go to…….sigh.

        • ::cribbing and editing from an here whose website is so terrible it gave me eye cancer)

          This would be the original version from 1634: “Crying aloud, [the king] beheld her charms and felt his blood course hotly through his veins. He lifted her in his arms, and carried her to a bed, where he gathered the first fruits of love.”

          Make of that what you will…

          After he has sex with Sleeping Beauty, the king goes home and “for a time thought no more about this incident.” Apparently, he didn’t think it was odd to find a sleeping woman abandoned in a castle.

          Nine months later, Sleeping Beauty gives birth to two children, a boy and a girl, while she is still asleep.

          It is unclear how, exactly, it’s possible to sleep through a twin labor.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      What about bestiality when the princess kisses the frog….

  26. Now, on to the Saudis and the hypocracy of the US and its politicians on all sides. First, the Colonel’s opinion on the journalist. He is dead and the Saudis did it and the King and the Prince know it.

    Second, the United States already knows this.

    Third, just like all the proxy wars…..it is profitable to keep relations with certain regimes under the disguise that they are “allies”…..we al know this to be bullshit.

    Fourth, Democrats and Republicans alike are complicit in the hypocrisy of dealing with governments that are questionable. Trump recently said…..do not forget we are selling billions of dollars worth of military equipment to the Saudis….Hillary Clinton and Obama espoused how great our Islamic allies were/are ahile turning their back on the atrocities of slave labor, female coercion, and condoning rape as a privilege. There is no difference in the hypocrisy of governments.

    The Saudis have been beheading people since moses was a gleam in his daddy’s eyes. They will continue to behead and get rid of people they do not like. There is nothing we can do about and there is nothing we will do about it. It is not in our interest.

    In the end, the journalist will still be dead…we will fake our disgust, the Saudis will “investigate” and say…we are sorry this happened. The planes will be delivered, the Saudis will continue to purge……it is the ay of the world.

    • Oh….DPM will sit on the deck of The Hammer, drink his grog, eat his churros, watch his wenches dance, the first mate will be polishing his brass wound super cannon, and laugh at Mathius.

    • Now, if we could only get the Anarchist’s of the world to realize that their Utopian dream will never, ever exist, we could avoid the annoying rhetoric that is presented.

      On a good note, got me a new TRUMP 2020 Keep America Great hat today, in digital camo. I’ll be sporting it everywhere 😀

      • People are generally too stupid or selfish to figure out peaceful coexistence. You have to kill almost all of them and start over with a gene pool just big enough to prevent inbreeding. When they screw it up again in a few thousands years, do it again, and again, and again, …until they get it right.

        What you don’t do is tolerate global systematic barbarism and serfdom as a default way of life.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          POS

          As HUMANS I am presently skeptical that we are capable of figuring it out. It may just come down to genetics. I really do not know.

          What I do know is that HUMANS consistently listen to rational or logical arguments and presentations of information and then reach bizarre conclusions. They also fall for the simplest of memes or talking points which are logically flawed.

          Latest example here in the RED State. “Expanding Medicaid coverage will reduce health care costs for those living in the state.” You know why? Because the Fed Govt will be covering part of the expense. About half our population is falling for this argument.

          For a specie which has evolved to dominate the animal kingdom, humans can be pretty darn stupid.

          • I think a lot of people are brainwashed into accepting systematic violence as a default means of sociopolitical organization. For whatever reason, they cannot get past implementing anything social without the threat of death.

            • POS, as much as the peaceful Anarchy utopia sounds, human history is very clear that it will simply never happen. Whether it was early man fighting early man over food or tribal warfare to world wars to the current Islamic terrorist to the Antifa Leftist Commies to the asshole you call your neighbor, peaceful existence is just a dream and a wish. Without some good fairy dust, your fighting for an impossible outcome. But don’t fret, as with every species, we will one day be extinct. Probably get wiped out by little green midgets in black robes with magic spells and things 😀

              • POS, as much as the peaceful Anarchy utopia sounds, human history is very clear that it will simply never happen.

                Agreed.

                At least not until the machines take over 😉

              • I think it is absolutely possible, as examples are everywhere. I think a libertarian based system is the ultimate outcome of human sociopolitical advancement (IF humans don’t enslave or destroy themselves first). Libertarianism is the answer. I also think people will still opt for socialist systems where they may be appropriate.

                I also think there are billions of idiots preventing peaceful coexistence, primarily with statism, opting for complete enslavement.

                Statism is the wrong answer. It’s based on false faulty and incomplete quagmire of premises. It’s nothing but a forced false reality systematic evil and should never be tolerated by anyone, ever.

            • I think a lot of people are brainwashed into accepting systematic violence as a default means of sociopolitical organization.

              True………

              But, as they say, it may be the worst option except for all the others…

              • On a fundamental level, it is the difference between deciding what sounds good for breakfast, and someone sticking a gun in your face telling you what to eat.

                You argue for the latter. That’s stupid.

                Who owns you?

          • JAC / gman,

            They also fall for the simplest of memes or talking points which are logically flawed.

            Yes… like “TRUMP 2020 Keep America Great”

            For a specie which has evolved to dominate the animal kingdom, humans can be pretty darn stupid.

            Amen, brother!

    • Now, on to the Saudis and the hypocracy of the US and its politicians on all sides. First, the Colonel’s opinion on the journalist. He is dead and the Saudis did it and the King and the Prince know it.

      Yes.

      Second, the United States already knows this.

      Yes.

      Third, just like all the proxy wars…..it is profitable to keep relations with certain regimes under the disguise that they are “allies”…..we al know this to be bullshit.

      Yes.

      Fourth, Democrats and Republicans alike are complicit in the hypocrisy of dealing with governments that are questionable.

      Yes.

      Trump recently said…..do not forget we are selling billions of dollars worth of military equipment to the Saudis….

      Credit where it’s due.. that was.. pragmatic.

      Maybe not the best thing to say out loud. But absolutely pragmatic, and I appreciate that.

      Doesn’t mean we can’t ALSO condemn things that are wrong…

      The Saudis have been beheading people since moses was a gleam in his daddy’s eyes. They will continue to behead and get rid of people they do not like.

      Yes.

      Doesn’t mean we can’t ALSO condemn things that are wrong…

      There is nothing we can do about and there is nothing we will do about it. It is not in our interest.

      Yes.

      Well, no.. there’s a lot we can do.. but, yea.. we won’t.

      ….. until we stop needing oil.. then that place is going to learn some hard lessons real quick…

      In the end, the journalist will still be dead…

      That’s usually how death works, yes.

      we will fake our disgust,

      Why can’t we be legitimately disgusted?

      I can recognize that we need the Saudis without condoning everything they do. Can’t you?

      the Saudis will “investigate” and say…we are sorry this happened. The planes will be delivered, the Saudis will continue to purge……it is the ay of the world.

      Yes.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Another character assassination by the left goes wrong. But will they cover the REAL story the same as the FAKE story????

    Oh I dream of a day when the MEDIA takes a deep breath and waits for all the information to come out before spreading stories that can destroy people’s lives.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/10/17/woman-who-blocked-neighbor-from-entering-his-home-speaks-out/23564241/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_3404005&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00001361

    • When I first saw that video, I asked “How is that being racist?” …because I didn’t see anything that indicated it was racially motivated. …other than the MSM suggesting as such.

      Then today I read in that article; Thornton — who is still legally married to an African-American man…

      Are we supposed to believe he’s a ‘token black spouse’?

      • There is a simple answer to your question…..it’s the Liberal media’s take on everything. If your white, your a racist. They start there and then work backwards and maybe get some facts, which don’t matter because your white and a racist. She wasn’t sexually assaulted by a conservative politician or judge, so no need to believe her :wink” This is yet another example of how people can never peacefully coexist. Had I been fired because of the media bullshit, the media would be put out of business.

        • It’s another example of why I try to avoid MSM whenever possible.

          It looks more like ‘psychological herding’ than news; ‘Here, think this and that…’

    • He had a fob.

      He had a key.

      He clearly knew where he was going.

      He was civil and well spoken.

      She’s a busybody.

      Mrs. Kravitz, if you will.

      I can’t support “racist,” given the evidence I’ve seen, but I can support “asshole.”

      He presented enough evidence to show he was supposed to be there. And, frankly, she had no right to demand anything. Who is she to tell him what he needs to do? What right do your neighbors have to order you to show proof of residency in your own home?

      And for her to call the cops afterward was just spiteful or because she refused to admit she was wrong – either way, there was no reasonable need for it.

      That said, doing so was well within her rights and I can’t say she did anything tangibly “wrong” other than physically blocking his access (she should have let him in, then followed him (as she did at the end), then reported it – she had no right to actually physically bar him from entering – but that’s a technicality in my opinion).

      She doesn’t deserve to be branded a racist as far as I can tell.

  28. Just A Citizen says:
  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Since the term is increasing in its use I thought we should look into it further. That being “post-modernism”.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/postmodernism-philosophy

  30. read an editorial today that compared the political rhetoric of today to that between a husband and wife just prior to a divorce. Everyone is talking past each other and no one is listening.

  31. On another note, if the Dems retake the House and start a bunch of anti-Trump investigations, how does that improve the state of the country? We have gone though 2 years of it already basically because Hillary threw a hissy fit. Where did the grownups go?

  32. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I wonder who planned this 4000 slug of Honduran migrants or whatever, to hit the border right at election time. Talk about meddling in elections.

    • Well then, ask yourself who benefits.

      I’d bet on the side campaigning on the need for a Wall.

      • Plenty of threats passed out to NOT come by the administration. But a question should be discussed, if they are leaving their country because they are scared and it’s violent, which is why Asylum would be asked, why don’t they just ask Mexico for Asylum since they are no longer in their scary, violent country? They are not coming for asylum because of their country’s problems, these are economic immigrants. Round them up and ship them back.

      • I’d bet on the side campaigning on the need for a Wall

        Not so fast…..I think the Dems have more to gain….however, it does appear that Mexico is acually going to help this time.

        Where I think they have more to gain is from the “separating” the family issue, which those of us that live with this know that families are not separated. However, it appears that Trump and Mexico have reached a tentative agreement on how to handle this particular onslaught….I think most everyone knows that these are not refugee’s like the media is trying to portray them…at least those of us who worked the border and those that still are (not me, any longer ) knows a refugee from a migrant from a gangbanger…..it is very easy to tell.

        One thing that never gets portrayed by the media…..80% of the children that get to the border are unaccompanied….and most of those that are……are accompanied by a gang member or someone else other than a relative. So, it is serious. It is not the simple migrant worker looking for work any longer….the majority are not migrant worker types and that is very easy to tell as well.

        The trick that is being employed now is what is termed “border rush”. Overwhelming masses that surge on the hopes that they are too big and cannot be stopped. They will be wrong this time. The State of Texas has activated 3,000 more State Guard troops to the border for a total of 7,000 now.

  33. The Liberal media, during the Obama years were crickets when ISIS was throwing gays off tall buildings, defended Muslim’s and refused to say Radical Islamic terrorists, now are showing their true selves concerning Saudi and this recent killing. Is it any wonder why very few trust these lying hypocrits?

    • The Liberal media, during the Obama years were crickets when ISIS was throwing gays off tall buildings

      This is just bullshit.

      Straight, unadulterated bullshit.

      Straight from the colonel’s back 40.

      Here it is on HUFFINGTON POST: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/02/03/is-militants-throw-blindfolded-gay-man-roof-beat-death-survives_n_6602176.html

      Do I need to post the thousand other liberal sites that were screaming about this?

      No, I supoose it wouldn’t matter if I did. Nothing will ever convince you that liberals are anything other than lying hypocrites who passively bleat when it’s convenient and blood thirsty maniacs when it’s convenient. You’ve already made up your mind that we’re all irredeemable fuckwits without an ounce of integrity or internal consistency.

      Unlike, of course, your sainted side who never do anything wrong and are just the victims of our malfeasance.

      God, I’m sick of it.

      defended Muslim

      Yes, because there are more than a billion Muslims, and they’re not all members of ISIS, contrary to how the CONSERVATIVE media has portrayed them since 9/11.

      refused to say Radical Islamic terrorists

      Some did.

      Some didn’t.

      Some of us thought that calling them that would legitimize them – tacitly stipulate that they represent Islam instead of just being insane fanatics.

      Like calling Scott Philip Roeder a “Christian terrorist.” I sure some used that term, but it certainly wasn’t widespread because we’re not all juveniles who think the same way as you and Fox News think we should. And because we recognize that he is not representative of “all” Christians. And we did not want to legitimize his act of terrorism as a “Christian” act, thereby painting the 1.5b+ other Christians with the same brush.

      It’s almost like people can have different opinions for legitimate reasons and your sad, pathetic insistence on portraying our refusal to bow before your ever whim as a moral failing is a strawman you employ to help justify your otherwise unjustifiable belief in your own intellectual and moral superiority.

      now are showing their true selves concerning Saudi and this recent killing

      I don’t think it’s inconsistent for liberals to be against the murder of journalists….

      In fact, I don’t think it’s inconsistent for anyone to be against murdering journalists. This is an easy one. We should all be able to agree at all times that “murder is bad.”

      Is it any wonder why very few trust these lying hypocrits?

      Is it any wonder I don’t like talking with you anymore?

      You know, I used to think you were this jaded small-governmental conservative with one foot into the libertarian camp. I thought you hated Obama for being big government and for the policies he advanced, not because of what color jersey he wore or for being a liberal. Boy was I wrong. The last two years have really revealed you for who you are: a hyper partisan blowhard.

      I’m surprised it took me until your party was in power to see it.

      • Mathius, the Lying biased Liberal media has been anti-American for a good decade now. When I’m speaking about these media people, I’m mostly talking about the major networks and cable channels. HuffPo is a rag. I post all the time on how these organizations operate and back it up. CNN and MSNBC are the worst. I know you don’t like my current opinion of them, but that’s life. The bias is glaring and the hypocrisy is so openly noticeable it’s a disgrace. They have gone off the deep end. I listened to some idiot cry about how Trump doesn’t care about this journalist because he had brown skin (on MCNBC, I think). This is what pisses me off. It also pisses me off that so many on the left ignore the obvious, their talking heads are racist pigs, they hate Jews, hate America and they have said so. Wake up, open your eyes and ears, your side wants this country to fail and they have said so.

        Why do you take what I say about the Liberal media personally ? Your not the Liberal media. Your not that far Left as I see it. Your certainly not like the quacks that I call out.
        Here is one example that is often repeated about the big 3 nets lying by omission: https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-meyer/2014/09/03/big-three-continue-ignore-report-saying-obama-briefed-isis-least-year

        Here are 181 examples of how the Liberal media has covered ISIS since 2014 (even the occasional and rare factual reports) https://www.newsbusters.org/search/nb/ISIS%20gays?f%5B0%5D=im_field_people_organizations%3A14840

        Believe me, I’m not attacking you, your far better than these people that I comment about, you have integrity. I wish we had a much smaller government, much, much, smaller. It’s a wish because I don’t see the Republicans or Democrats letting it happen (we need a much better class of politicians).

        Now, let me be crystal clear. The Liberal media and a good number of Left and far Left Liberals may as well just change what people call them to Communist’s. This includes Antifa. There are a lot of Democrats who are changing to Independents and Republicans because the Democratic Party has gone too far Left. This isn’t my parents Democratic Party where it was only corruption that made the news every year. Make no mistake, I would rather total Anarchy over Democrats.

        I will continue to vent about this stuff and you should continue to vent about what you don’t like. It’s OK, that’s what Blogs are for “wink” .

        • Let me add a couple things. The folks I know are not wealthy. Most live paycheck to paycheck. Many have been hurt by Obamacare because it became unusable. You are obviously well off, but think about living on 45K or less a year. I was going to write an article about how the Crats high tax policies factually take food out of children’s mouths for those not well off. It causes ALL prices to go up, which just adds more to the tax bill.

      • Straight from the colonel’s back 40. Excuse me…I will have you know that the bullshit coming from my back 40…..is actually real bullshit. Hot, steamy and perfectly round “pies”. (More information than you probably wanted to know).

        The Colonel’s back 40 does not allow fake bullshit……

  34. I’m still trying to figure out what policies the Crat’s are pushing to get elected. I have heard and read “health care”, but Obamacare is still intact, except for the mandate. It’s their law. I’ve heard claims that O-Care is more popular than ever….where? With more people working and more jobs available, the prices are still rising.

    We all have heard “impeach Trump” and “impeach Kavanaugh”. Good luck with that ideology.

    Immigration is a big subject and has been. The Crat’s want open borders. They want to protect illegal immigrants. They want amnesty. There’s a lot on this subject that can be fixed through negotiations. Eventually, poor minorities are going to realize that it is they who get hurt the most by Crat ideology. Eventually may come sooner than later.

    The Crat’s Presidential Primary should be an interesting and entertaining period of time. But it takes me right back to my top sentence.

    • I have heard and read “health care”, but Obamacare is still intact, except for the mandate. It’s their law.

      Oh yes, let us gut the key mechanism which makes the system solvent (potentially, anyway) and then claim that it’s their fault when it doesn’t work.

      Person A: “Yes, the Republicans built that building over there. It’s their building.”
      Person B: “But didn’t you remove several of it’s key structural supports columns?”
      Person A: “Yes, because I didn’t like them.”
      Person B: “Well won’t that weaken the building?”
      Person A: “It’s their building.”
      Person B: “But you messed with it-”
      Person A: “It’s their building.”
      Person B: “But what if it collapses?”
      Person A: (visibly excited at the prospect) “It’s their building!”

      • Obamacare is the law…..this is true. It does not work very well, but it is the law. The mandate was and is horseshit…..not as good as bull shit……..but shit never the less…..if our government is stupid enough to want socialized medicine, there is little enough that I can do about it. Obama took away my TriCare for life…as he did to the rest of the reservists….and forced us onto medicare…which is a crap system. Doctors are now beginning to not take medicare patients any longer because they do not get paid. Fortunately, I have access to the VA system….but, like all socialized systems…it takes months to get an appointment and you better not miss it. However, the one part of it that works good is the prescription part. We can get prescriptions for 90 days at a time and by mail once you get into it. My copay for prescriptions under the VA system is $20.

        But here is my deal to you, Sir Mathius……………………..I will get 100% on board with your health care for all under the following caveats.

        1) EVERYONE goes on the socialized system…..everyone. No private insurance policies, no employer policies, nothing. Everyone, including politicians and the POTUS goes onto the system.

        2) Everyone pays the same co pay and premiums. No freebies anywhere.

        3) No special deals for the poor, the elderly, or the infirmed.

        4) No extra tax applied such as is applied now….no surcharges on corporations or earnings. Everyone pays the same…..EVERYONE.

        ****The next problem would be finding qualified doctors.

        Do this, and I am on board. Don’t do this, then I am against any form of socialized medicine.

        • 1) EVERYONE goes on the socialized system…..everyone. No private insurance policies, no employer policies, nothing. Everyone, including politicians and the POTUS goes onto the system.

          Deal.

          In fact, I have been saying since Day 1 this should be a requirement.

          2) Everyone pays the same co pay and premiums. No freebies anywhere.

          Deal.

          In fact, I have been saying since Day 1 this should be a requirement.

          3) No special deals for the poor, the elderly, or the infirmed.

          Deal… I guess… I’d like the poor-poor to have reduced co-pays… and specifically poor children… But if it gets you on board… ok

          4) No extra tax applied such as is applied now….no surcharges on corporations or earnings. Everyone pays the same…..EVERYONE.

          I’m unclear how you’re funding this without taxes and surcharges… can you clarify?

          ****The next problem would be finding qualified doctors.

          This doesn’t seem to be a problem in Canada or the UK or the Scandinavian countries….

          (Q: Why do the Norway have bar codes on their warships? A: So that when they return to port, they can… Scan-da-navy-in!)

          Don’t do this, then I am against any form of socialized medicine.

          Question, if you are against “any” form of socialized medicine, does that include medicare, medicaid, VA, forcing hospitals to accept non-paying patients, etc? If so, what do the poor do if they get sick? Without “any” form of socialized medicine, there is no way they could pay for any serious treatments / medications / etc. If they get sick, they immediate go bankrupt and then die? I’m not trying to be facetious here.. how does this play out?

          • I’m unclear how you’re funding this without taxes and surcharges… can you clarify?

            Fair question…..you currently have medicare and medicaid now. It is taxed on wages. You would eliminate all forms of medicare and medicaid as it currently stands. Then the tax on wages and income, once it is figured, saaaay………20%. Then everyone pays 20% whether you make one dollar or one million dollars and said taxes are not deductible from personal income tax. This means that a company, that pays wages, does not get hit with taxes on those wages since it is already deducted from each individual. The non allowance on income taxes then allows those extra dollars to go to indigent…..proven indigent people that have NO income and no other means of support.

            Stock and dividends. Since dividends are a form of income (forget passive and non passive descriptions), they are then taxed at 20% since the are part of income. Eliminate passive and active descriptions from the tax code and treat all income the same.

            How’s this for a start……

            Oh…..and when the final rules are determined……put it to a nationwide referendum. If it passes…cool.

            • Once again, I feel this is needs to be a bit more helpful to the poor, but ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………Deal.

          • Question, if you are against “any” form of socialized medicine, does that include medicare, medicaid, VA, forcing hospitals to accept non-paying patients, etc? If so, what do
            the poor do if they get sick? Without “any” form of socialized medicine, there is no way they could pay for any serious treatments / medications / etc. If they get sick, they immediate go bankrupt and then die? I’m not trying to be facetious here.. how does this play out?

            I do not think you are being facetious at all. I am currently on Medicare A/B now and in the VA system with a primary care physician and presriptions. I don’t lke it. Forget that I am bitter over the removal of TriCare as I was promised. It was just taken away to fund Obamacare, so I think I am entitled to be upset. But I am perfectly capable of rendering an honest opinion and setting my personal bias aside. I do not like the Medicare system because it is NOT universally accepted throughout the United States. I have tried to find a primary care physician away from the VA because when I get sick, it may take weeks to see my physician at the VA. It is becoming increasingly hard to find doctors and clinics that accept Medicare….even minor emergency clinics. So, there is an increasing number of doctors that are refusing medicare…..and the new young turks and turkettes do not accept it from day one. It is too hard to collect money and it takes upwards of 7 months to get paid.

            The problem that England has and Canada and Norway is the number of specialists. You can get your cold taken care of….the flu…..but Canadians, the English that can afford it all come to the United States for serious illness. Why is that? According to the things I read….is a shortage of doctors.

            I dont know what the answer is, Mathius, but it must be equal to all. Everyone MUST be in the game. So, no, I do not like the current VA system but it is what I have. I do not like the Medicare system, but it is what I have. I am fortunate in that I can go to concierge doctors and hospitals, if need be. I am fortunate that I can afford supplemental insurance. But the current system, to me, is unfair if you put the burden upon less than 50 % of the population.

            But, in order to have a socialized system work properly, in my opinioin, you would have to eliminate all privatization of all medical services and force everyone into the system….FORCE everyone, like I was forced to do………..but when you do that……you lose the good doctors….they flee. My opinion, of course.

      • Can we all recognize that, whether it would have worked or not, ObamaCare was reliant on the mandate in order to (theoretically) made the economics work?

        If so, in having ripped out the mandate, haven’t the Republicans doomed it to inevitable failure?

        That is, it might have failed either way, but they’ve guaranteed failure.

        So, when it does collapse, is it really “fair” to lay the blame at the Democrats’ feet?

        Isn’t this like my above example of impairing a building’s structural integrity and then blaming it’s original designers when it collapses?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          Your logic is seriously out of alignment this AM.

          It was Guaranteed to fail…….. as constructed by the Democrats. They knew it but it was more important to them to have it implemented and set the stage for Single Payer or Govt. healthcare. They gambled on the R’s never having the cojones to overturn the whole thing. They gambled on a SCOTUS that would not undermine the UNCONSTITUTIONAL provisions contained within it.

          It was already failing when the mandate was removed. Its elimination did not even accelerate that failure as the effect is just now being felt. Or maybe that will be at the end of the year.

          So I will not stipulate to your claims as presented. Not just no but HELL NO!

          Per your logic and unlawful provision to take money from people, once remedied is the fault of those providing the remedy. Because that “revenue” was lost due to the fix. I submit to you sir that the fault lies with those who created the UNCONSTITUTIONAL money grab in the first place.

          Yes, when it fails it should be placed at the Democrats feet.

          What I will place at the Republicans feet is their failure to REPEAL the ACA as they had PROMISED for two or three election cycles. That is on them.

    • The Crat’s want open borders.

      This is a strawman.

      I want open borders, but I am neither a Democrat nor indicative of the opinions or policies of that party. DPM and POS and BF also want open borders. In fact, to them, I’m a fascist for even wanting a checkpoint at the border.

      • LOL……everyone argues this open border thing…….but no one asks the people who live on the border their opinion. No one asks the ranchers and farmers their opinion…..it is a football being tossed around. Even the farmers that have melons or strawberries or things to pick do not want open borders. Texas has a very workable system but no one listens. Send them all to California…..they love open borders there….just ask the TAXPAYER of California how much they love it.

        Somehow, it becomes embarassing to have a sponsor.

        • Why pick on poor little me?

          • Sir, you have an option……you are welcome in Texas. Hell, we need a new foreman on our ranch….you get a 3500 sq foot home, electricity, water, and sat TV and internet, a pickup truck, medical up to a family of 4, and $40,000 salary. No state income tax to worry about…..total package comes to about $90,000 per year…..but your taxable part is on $40,000.

            And we cannot find anyone…………however, there are a few “BOQ’s” that you need to have.

            1) Know how to speak English
            2) Know how to write English
            3) Know how to walk upright without dragging your knucles
            4) Know the difference between a “cow” and a “bull” ( This is to your advantage ). A cow has teats….a bull has a “tallywhacker”….Note: Do not try to milk either.
            5) Know how to recognize the good snakes from the bad ones. We do not kill snakes, we relocate them. If one proves bothersome to capture…..a 6 ft diamond back rattler for instance…you must know how to properly corral them and pick them up for “milking” and relocation. ( Hint: a 6ft Diamond back does not have teats to milk….milking means removing venom)
            6) Know how to ride a horse….how to mount and dismount a horse properly (get your mind outta the gutter)
            7) Be able to shoot from a standing position, a kneeling position, and a prone position, from the bed of a pick up, from the window of a pickup, and from a moving pickup.
            8) Know what “ground reining” means and be able to shoot from the back of a horse with both pistol and long gun (rifle).
            9) know and understand what poaching means and if you shoot a poacher, bury them deep. We do not dial 911
            10) Know that “guvmint” agencies are not allowed onto ranch property with or without a search warrant unless I am present.

            So, I am sure you can meet these qualifications…..you are welcome….now….today.

            • Oh…..for the “city slickers”…..we relocate venemous snakes to high rodent areas. Keeps the rodent population down. We take all kingsnakes, rat snakes, and coachwhips to our housing areas….keeps other snakes away and keeps the rodent population down.

              If any of our familes have small children, the kingsnake secretes a substance that keeps rattlers, water mocassins, and copperheads away.

            • 1) Know how to speak English
              2) Know how to write English

              This disqualifies half the native-born Americans I know….

            • 9) know and understand what poaching means and if you shoot a poacher, bury them deep. We do not dial 911

              Is it acceptable to weight them down in the lake in my back yard? Could I use a wood chipper? What about dissolving them in acid?

              • Acid…..too expensive and stinks. Wood Chipper? you think we have trees to spare? FARGO come to mind tho…..unfortunately we have stock tanks and no lakes….but, fish gotta eat same as worms and buzzards.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              Sir….where can I apply?

        • just ask the TAXPAYER of California how much they love it.

          As a former TAXPAYER of California-stan, I was just fine with it.

          • Have you bothered to look at the homeless epidemic in every city in Californistan? Shit in the streets of San Francisco. Sidewalks for miles covered with tents. Then again, your fine with it, so it must be what Liberals want….yes?

            • My little sister, when she was maybe 10, explained to me that New York had fewer homeless people than California because the cold killed them off each winter.

            • Dale A Albrecht says:

              And a typhus epidemic to boot. The report was trying to spin it that the problem was due to people living close to nature and getting flea bitten. Heck lived out there 13 years on a street that when you crossed it the next stop was the ocean lots of wildlife we were in contact with.

          • But you are not there now……I submit things have changed a ton or more since your departure.

            • Mayhaps… but I don’t hear any of my siblings or extended family or friends complaining?

              • Mathius, listen to one of Victor Davis Hanson’s videos on the state of California. The coastal city elites dominate the law making in this state. They are fine with cheap gardeners, maids and nannies, but those away from the coast in the less affluent areas suffer greatly from the laws that are imposed by Sacramento. This is why there is push here to create the State of Jefferson.

              • Well, sir, I have no answer for that. It is kind of like eating chocolate…if you have never tasted it, you do not know the difference. But……if it is good for them…………………………………

              • Just A Citizen says:

                You mean the hundreds of thousands that have left the state for places like Idaho, Montana, Utah and Texas???

                Maybe your relatives live in the sheltered areas.

      • How is it a strawman to state a fact about the policies of the Democratic Party? You piss an moan and whine claiming that I use a broad brush and when I’m very specific you still piss and moan and whine. WTF?

        • Try being accurate, instead.

          The “Democrats” don’t want open borders.

          I’m sure some (vocal) minority do – just as some (vocal) minority do from the conservative side of the aisle, too.

          But the general stance of the Democratic party is NOT open borders.

          If it is fair to say that that is what the Democratic Party wants, then it is fair to say the same of the Republican Party.

          • The general stance of the Dem party is to do nothing. If the problems is solved, there is one less issue to divide the population with. That was made clear when Trump offered DACA in exchange for other reforms. It was rejected not by some extremist groups but by the party leaders. The people in election after election have been very clear in rejecting open borders and unlimited immigration. It is the elites of the Dem party and the business aligned Rhinos that have blocked it. They are a bunch of petulant children. It is either my way or nothing and quite frankly if they got their way they would still find a reason to reject any solution because they would rather campaign on it then solve it.

          • Beto O Rourke is getting a taste of it now. His stance on the border is open it up…..he is running against Cruz.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            So, my dear friend, what exactly are they doing to stop it?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        Strawman??? Really?????

        -Democratic Party Platform

        Democrats are fighting for every immigrant who feels threatened by Donald Trump’s election. We will not stand by and watch families be torn apart — Democrats in Congress and in states and cities across the country are already standing up to Trump’s hatred and bigotry to defend their immigrant neighbors.

        Thanks to President Obama, hundreds of thousands of DREAMers have been able to receive a temporary status that allows them to study, work, pay taxes, and contribute to the communities they grew up in. His administration has made a tremendous difference by prioritizing immigration enforcement so that it is focused on those with criminal records and doesn’t arbitrarily separate families, and Democrats are fighting to protect that progress.

        Democrats will continue to work toward comprehensive immigration reform that fixes our nation’s broken immigration system, improves border security, prioritizes enforcement so we are targeting criminals – not families, keeps families together, and strengthens our economy.

        Democrats know the importance of our country’s history as a nation of immigrants. We honor our fundamental values by treating all people who come to the United States with dignity and respect, and we always seek to embrace — not to to attack — immigrants.

        NOTICE the age old mantra of “immigration reform” because our system is “broken”. Well who the hell broke it???? Now as to the breaking, the Democratic Party was not alone. They had help from the Chamber of Commerce Republicans.

        The only people the Democrats want to keep out of the country are known criminals and those from Europe. Yes, that was a sarcastic dig at the Dem party’s general rhetoric condemning “white privilege”.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        More: Sure looks like pretty much open borders to me.

        “In contrast, Democrats view immigration policy as an opportunity to renew the “American Community.” Although the Democrats recognize the need to secure the borders, including additional personnel, infrastructure and technology at the borders and ports of entries, and enforce existing immigration laws, they understand the “need [for] comprehensive immigration reform, not just piecemeal efforts.” Noticeably absent from the party’s platform is reference to the controversial border fence. Rather, “comprehensive” immigration reform remains a top priority for Democrats.

        Specifically, the Democrat’s plan calls for increasing family-based and employment based immigrant visas; improving the naturalization process; and addressing the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy. Moreover, the Democratic platform supports a path for undocumented immigrants to become legal permanent residents, or in their words to “get right with the law.” Indeed, Democrats “support a system that requires undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, pay taxes, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.””

  35. https://www.westernjournal.com/state-demands-christian-us-filmmakers-make-sex-films-face-jail-time/?

    Minnesota will lose in the end. Are politicians who pass these stupid laws really that stupid? Yes, yes they are.

    • “I think a lot of people are brainwashed into accepting systematic violence as a default means of sociopolitical organization. For whatever reason, they cannot get past implementing anything social without the threat of death.”

      It’s not enough to simply get over it and start tolerating harmless weirdos with harmless alternative lifestyles. …or simply declining to associate with what you disagree with. It has to be forced through law.

      “On a fundamental level, it is the difference between deciding what sounds good for breakfast, and someone sticking a gun in your face telling you what to eat.”

      ‘We the people and our government own you, your beliefs and your film business. We tell you what to film or else be fined. If you disobey, we’ll send our thugs to come get you. If you resist, they’ll force you. If you fight back, they’ll kill you.’

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    Govt. provided healthcare, besides being immoral, is a complete sham. It is predicated on the immoral proposition that there is not difference between the money you spend on healthcare and that which the Govt. spends. The MONEY is all the same and it is the GOVT’s money, not yours.

    This is how you get logic that claims if we transfer 3 trillion a year in private spending to the Govt. that somehow, magically, a bunch of us will save money. Never admitting that this would require increasing the tax burden by 3 trillion per year.

    The numbers simply do not work out. This has been proven by those that tried it. But the left don’t want to talk about the financial burden, cause they can always claim the Rich need to pay more.

    https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html

    If you want to have an idea how much BS this is, just look at the FIXES to Soc.Security. How many times has it been adjusted to make it “sustainable”???? And yet it is NOT sustainable. Now we are talking about more adjustments and “tweeks”.

    Here is my proposal. Each of us should pay for the healthcare services we can afford. If we need more then we should look to charity to make up the difference.

    Those of you, like Mathius, who feel some obligation to the down and out can contribute your money to said charities. Hell, create private health insurance groups, like the Federal Credit Unions. You know, no profit just direct overhead costs. There is an easy way to fix the damn issue of poor people without creating a massive Govt. program that would control 17% of GDP.

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    I like Ms Haley but she really needs to wake up and smell the roses!

    Haley breaks with Trump: ‘In America, our political opponents are not evil’

    Now this was from Huff Po so I have to point out that the “evil” label was actually used by Democrats when referring to “deplorables” and those who supported Mr. Trump. How this became Trump is beyond me.

    But, Ms. Haley needs to recognize that some of “our opponents” are in fact evil. They put forth evil ideas, they believe in evil ideologies, so why can we not call them out for what they are?

    I understand the need for civility. I think that can be improved and in fact would add strength to a claim of “evil” when it is made. Because not all opponents are evil.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Sorry, that was from Politico, not Huff Po. There is a little difference.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Like I said, a little quote from Nancy Pelosi. If this isn’t evil then what is it?

      ““We owe the American people to be there for them, for their financial security, respecting the dignity and worth of every person in our country, and if there is some collateral damage for some others who do not share our view, well, so be it, but it shouldn’t be our original purpose.””

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Well, it is time for a ROAD TRIP. Fly fishing for trout, then steehead then to Nevada for that State’s birthday. So if you are in Carson City, Nevada on Sat. Oct. 27th, you will find me and my old friends near the intersection of Carson St. and 4th St. Close to the Old Globe saloon of course. You will recognize me as the one wearing a Silver Belly high crowned Cowboy Hat.

    Until later my friends. Will drop in if I can.

    JAC

    To be free, you must live free.

  39. I’d just like you all to know that I have a “natural instinct for science.”

    • Of course you do. You’re human.

      Humans are naturally creative curious crafty constructive ingenuitive creatures, which involves reason/logic math and science.

      Birds and bees build nests. Beavers build dams. Dogs dig burrows. Humans build houses and ICBMs and cell phones, space ships, planes trains and automobiles, freeways, etc.

      • Of course you do. You’re human.

        You can’t prove that.

        There have been at least one dog, one AI, and one Plutonian on this site over the years.

    • Uh huh……..which science.

      • Any of them? All of the science?

        You see, my uncle was a great professor at MIT for many years. I never spoke with him about science, but apparently scientific aptitude is transferred that way anyway, so that makes me the best at Science.

  40. The crack in China’s economics is widening……their debt is 250% greater than their GDP.

    • China is in for some trouble.

      Japan is in for some trouble.

      Russia is in for some trouble.

      Israel is in for some trouble.

      Turkey is in for some trouble.

      South Korea is in for some trouble.

      Brazil is in for some trouble.

      Mexico is in for some trouble.

      Canada is in for some trouble.

      The US is in for some trouble.

      North Korea… well, they might be just fine..

      • What makes China so unique in this…….even though Japan is number one on this hit parade…China has shifted to a consumption based economy…..this is slowing its GDP growth significantly.

        • Of all these countries, Japan is the one that’s going to hit the brick wall the hardest over the next decade or two.

          Take it to the bank.

          That aging and saving population coupled with the low birth rates and racist xenophobia keeping out potential population replacements…. shit’s going to get bad.

  41. Georgia’s population is approximately 32% African American.

    Of those voters who have been purged in the run-up to the midterms, 70% are African American.

    Well, now… isn’t that interesting…..

    Of course, it’s easy to read this as racism, but I would argue it is no such thing – it’s not that they’re black.. it’s that black people tend to vote for the Democrats. They aren’t trying to purge black people – they’re trying to purge Democrats, and it just so happens that many of them are black. I guarantee you that if black people skewed toward the Republican party, this would not be happening.

    Now, now, don’t bother. I already know what you’re going to say: “This is proof that there are a ton of fake voters who are likely to skew for the Democrats, and this why purging the roles is so important, and damn those sneaky Democrats for trying to commit so much fraud. And look at those real racist libtards hypocritically crying about racism when the good and noble and pure and true Grand Old Party and sainted conservatives they represent are just trying to ensure the sanctity of the ballot box. Why do they hate America? What a bunch of feckless, immoral, losers. MAGA! Lock her up! O_o”

    • Is “PURGE” the correct word to use in light of the TV miniseries now viewing?

      • If they thought they could get away with it, they’d absolutely “purge” the Democrats.

        (lest we think I’m being unfair, I have little doubt that Democratic politicians would be all too happy to do likewise to Republicans where they are in power.)

        • Yes, a purge is a great idea. What the USA needs is an overwhelmingly dominant ultra right wing christian conservative movement to push the left into mass civil disobedience and counter-terrorism.

          Do things like pass obviously biblical laws about what is expected of women, then target disobedient feminist groups with vice squad SWAT teams. Ban even talking about abortion or socialized medicine. Make bible study mandatory in schools in addition to teaching creationism and banning teaching evolution. Strictly regulate attire to be ultra conservative, ban premarital sex, homosexuality, and adultery too, with harsh penalties. Send the sex police after ‘criminals’.

          Trump should resign and let Pence create a theocracy?

          lol

        • TCH tch……purging has been going on for decades, Mathius…..it is called gerrymandering. Until you get rid of precincts….it will continue to happen….whoever is in power gets to redraw lines.

    • Like Paul Harvey, I want to hear the rest of the story. How many times were these people sent notifications and did not respond? Do their drivers licenses match the address on the voter roles? Do the names appear on the social security death list? You are making the claim. Show the evidence that they are being improperly purged. Is the number of mistakes within typical error rates for this kind of activity? How easy is it for the voter to be reinstated? Or go under cover and catch the registrar actually stating he is preferentially purging blacks. Otherwise, all your doing is whining and buying into the standard Dem BS. This problem could be solved with a simple ID law, but you do not like that either.

      I do not buy this constant claim of pervasive racism and neither should you.

      • I hope you understand that I was being sarcastic…..like the TV series. Texas has already purged its voter list once…..we took over 60K off the voter rolls with non provable or matching ID’s, we also passed a voter ID law with a picture ID, updated its state computer sysytem that matches social security numbers….we also require two picture ID’s if you are not already on the voter rolls……to combat the elderly and poor disenfranchisement, we provide, cost free, a state picture ID in place of a driver’s license…….student ID’s are not acceptable forms of ID’s, credit cards and Sam’s club cards with your picture are not acceptable ID’s. A single passport ID without a secondary picture ID does not even get you on the voter rolls. And, once, as an elder, you are estabished on the rolls and it matches your other information, you are allowed to vote by mail and are provided a pre-addressed and stamped envelope for your ballot, that must be signed and is compared to your registered signature. The same goes for properly established handicap persons.

        This procedure caught over 50 thousand non registered and improperly registered voters last year ( the first year in existence ) and the changes made this year is expected to double that amount. And, when you vote by mail, the new computer system catches people trying to vote twice or eveb three times. Last year the record was catching someone who tried to vote over 7 times in different counties and when caught, and questioned, he just laughed and said you finally caught me. Then he spent 180 days in the slammer.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Often it is a statistic within a statistic. Perhaps black voters do not routinely vote in off years. Perhaps many were motivated to vote only because Obama was on the ballot perhaps a lot of things. I’ve heard dozens talk of voting for Trump being their first vote in years or sometimes ever. Ditto when Reagan ran. He touched a nerve and people voted there was NO guarantee they would continue to vote Republican or vote at all. Certainly Bush the elder managed to turn them off. .

      Like the figures for Black on black crime. Yes, proportionally, blacks do commit more crime than whites. Therefore, they are more likely to be in the criminal justice system and worse, SUSPECTED more often of being about to commit a crime.

      Problems like this cannot be resolved until everybody’s percentages are about the same.

  42. WRT to China, has anyone encountered problems with procurement of parts made in China? We are having problems getting simple resistors and capacitors for out electronic assemblies. The word is the Chinese factories have stopped taking orders. The big electronic supply houses are running out of inventory.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      The Japanese used to do that when any industry started being a threat to their industry. Once you became dependent on one if their products like Nikon lenses, they’d slow delivery, demand cash up front, not net 30.
      But Japan had a weak spot. They due to lack of land really liked single sourcing. Years ago they had a fire destroying their photoresist plant for their semiconductor businesses. We got payback of their years of business practices. When they tried to buy resist from us, we said you want it when?, sorry we need it for our plants.

      Here unions learned to exploit single sourcing.

      Part shortages will be only temporary. Entrepreneurs will step in.

    • Yes, it is a retliation to the tariffs. Let them stop shipping….the Chinese will capitulate.

  43. https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/10/19/texas-democrats-encouraged-noncitizens-to-vote-with-altered-registration-forms-says-complaint/

    What say you Col. This is your neck of the woods. Tell me again how voter fraud does not exist and that the honor system works.

    • First of all, I never did tell you that the honor system works…..there is no honor. BUT, even registered, you must present your ID’s at the voting booth. We are aware of the applications that went out….they did the same thing two years ago. However, note the following from the article.

      “illegal voting is a second degree felony punishable by two to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $10,000. In September, a Mexican national received 10 years in jail after pleading guilty to voter fraud charges including ineligible voting in Montgomery County. Last year, a Mexican national and legal permanent U.S. resident got an eight year prison sentence for falsely claiming U.S. citizenship in Dallas County where she voted as a Republican at least five times. Deportation proceedings can follow.”

      A few more of these types of examples…and the fraudulent voting with start to fade. We are also aware of the districts where voter registrations and voters outnumbered the population of the “registered” voters on file. We caught it in Houston where 6 votes decided a position in a particular district…..until it was proven that the amount of votes out numbered the registered voters 3 to 1…..the election was set aside and redone 6 weeks later….it changed, of course.

      • Col. I understand that TX is taking corrective measures. What I dislike is the knee jerk response the cleaning up voter roles and requiring IDs is racist and designed to disenfranchise legal voters, Frankly I think the argument is insulting to minorities. I support voter ID laws. I do not support same day registration and motor voter laws especially if we are allowing illegals to get drivers licenses.

  44. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    So the gutless wonder NY Governor (AKA Damien, Omen # VI) decides that he will courageously debate his opponent at 8 AM on a radio station no one has ever heard of on the weekend.

    Guess he’s got more gumption than old Kristian Gillibrand who just cancelled her debate…..period.

    There is a lot to be said for the comments floating around this year that the democrats have NOTHING to offer, nothing at all. A tired, worn out party devoted exclusively to envy and hate.

    AND….. I NEVER thought I’d see the day when masked hooligans were allowed to freely roam the streets of NYC and attack people they disagreed with! Wonder how the Police Commissioner and DeBlasio would feel if the Klan showed up hooded?

  45. Who needs money? Already jacked my check by going up north last weekend.

    Game Face On!

    Go Green!!

  46. Dateline…Texas.

    Political signs on your private property are included in the state castle doctrine. In response to a recent rash of political signs being stolen or disfigured, the State AG affirms that the Castle doctrine applies to the theft of any object from private property. It does not matter if it is your 100K Mercedes, your toy red wagon, or your political sign. You have a right to defend your property and that includes deadly force.

    Interesting…..

  47. I thought this was interesting and thought I would share. Of course, Twitter is banning this meme saying it is dehumanizing.

    “A new meme suggesting that liberals are soulless idiots who can’t think for themselves has gone viral.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-16/4chan-sparks-mass-triggering-npc-meme-twitter-responds-ban-hammer

    • Censorship from the left, because the NPC’s are always calling the other side fascist’s, which is why they have been given said meme. Do they even realize that they are exactly what they claim others to be?

    • There’s a few pretty funny memes in that article

      NPCNN
      i am not a robot
      NPC pumpkin

      Have to hand it to the 4chan and Redditt guys. They’re creative as heck and can hunt down the story, or even make the story..like with this NPC meme, better than the MSM.

  48. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    The Democrat stool has three legs, envy, jealousy and hate.

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