ICE Under Attack

69-year-old Willem Van Spronsen was shot dead by police in July at an ICE facility in Washington State after he threw molotov cocktails in an attempt to ignite a propane tank. He was also armed with an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

The FBI is investigating the shooting of two Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) buildings in San Antonio, Texas.
The agency is describing the incidents as “targeted attacks” of federal agents, with bullets missing an employee by only two inches.

Is this the beginning of Civil War II?

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  1. 😎

  2. Dale A Albrecht says:

    https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dhs/cbp/perspective-ice-protesters-dishonor-the-american-flag-and-officers-who-put-lives-on-the-line/

    I did a search (quickly) on the internet to see if Pelosi or Schumer condemned the physical attacks on ICE facilities and personnel. All the searches turned up were them and the candidates and the squad condemning Trump for administering the LAW. Like actually finding and deporting illegals that have a final deportation order issued from the courts and committed other crimes.

    Pelosi on her FB page condemned Trumps and ICE’s taking action on the court ordered deportation orders. “Law abiding, hard working illegal immigrant”

    These articles of condemning trump were endless.

    Who should be impeached? Trump for administering the law as intended or these Congress members who are willfully encouraging violation of the laws they wrote and signed by previous presidents.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      I got it, you’ve scheduled an appointment with Joe Biden’s hair implant specialist.

      • Naw.. V already figured it out and sucked all the fun out of it. It’s my SUFA anniversary.. I’m earning my 10-year chip!

  3. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Newly elected conservative president of Guatemala tabled new asylum deal with US.

    Pelosi and the squads visit to Guatamala on the eve of their presidential vote didn’t work as intended. That is to lend support to the socialist former first lady candidate

    She got defeated badly. The guatamalan are not stupid watching the destruction of nearby Venezuela under the tender hands of socialusts/communists. That said

    The deal with the US was very unpopular. But their general well being came first. If you scan through the articles chiding the asylum deals seeming failure, you finally come across more of what the new president said. The asylum deal as it stands NOW can not go forward. He wants to negotiate a BETTER one. He further explained that guatamala is a poor country and just can not afford the agreement as written. To me that’s obvious, whoever was brokering the deal on our side didn’t offer money to cover the costs for guatamala to house the “asylum” seekers.

    Pretty much the president elect who will take office in 6 months says let’s renegotiate. That’s fair. Trump renegotiated NAFTA with no problem. Trump renegotiated huge agriculture deals with the EU and most of Asia that have for a long time blocked our products in favor of their sweetheart importation deals and protectionst policies.

    Besides the US ambassador to guatamala was working at X’s and O’s attempting to screw this hastily patched together deal.

  4. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I just wonder if Bill was trying on the “Blue” dress for size and feel, if Hillary had won the 2016 election. She always wore the pants of the family anyway. 😁

  5. https://nypost.com/2019/08/14/online-petition-seeks-to-rename-trump-tower-street-after-barack-obama/

    Good grief, I’m not even from New York, and I can’t imagine Fifth Ave going away. It’s a landmark..

    • Hahahaa.. the sun will explode before this happens.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I think the NY City Council and Bill DeBlasio will change just the street name just for the block Trump Tower is on.

        Charlotte NC changes names on many streets as they go along, just like Paris does. At a wedding years ago, as a visiting Yankee, I said it was to confuse the Union forces if they someday had to invade again. That did not sit well with the locals

    • No idea.

      If there was any corruption involved (of course there was!, but prove it), then the contract would probably be void. It might also have clauses within it which may be utilized to this end. But if not… I don’t think you can just rip up a contract because you don’t like it. The law is the law whether you like it or not.

      Congress could – they can do whatever they want with the law (nearly, anyway), but as half of them were probably involved with Epstein.. I wouldn’t bet on it.

  6. Who with the what now?

    “who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge”

    I memorized that poem in elementary school, but don’t seem to remember that bit.

    Interesting how the Acting Director of Citizenship and Immigration Services snuck that in there…

    I’m not going to argue that the “public charge” rule isn’t a thing, nor would I blame Trump for it since it was enacted in the 1800’s (although… yea, I’m going to go ahead and call it Trump’s fault anyway!).. but I think when arguing that the Emma Lazarus poem is part of the American Ethos, to add in a wholly opposite message is… messed up.

    The ENTIRE POINT of that poem, a core of the “American ethos,” is diametrically opposed to the public charge rule and the position of Ben Sasse and the conservative/right. If hardliners are going to push the PC rule, they can do that. But they don’t get to re-write and bastardize something that many of us on the left view as hugely important so that it conforms their their view.

      • I watched the interview.. he seemed to be wandering into that territory, but stopped short and walked himself back. I wouldn’t say that he was saying it was only for Europeans, but rather that, when it was written, he seems to believe it was referencing the European underclasses by “wreched poor” rather than a more contemporary interpretation of those words.

        THAT SAID, I do think it’s a “reasonable” conclusion to draw (that the poem was only for Europeans) from what he said even if it’s, in MY opinion, more of a biased take.

        THAT SAID, that’s not my objection. I am objecting to his insertion into the poem (something he denies in the video above and something is is absolutely LYING about). He was inserting his own language into the context of the poem-as-American-ethos in order to subvert and neuter the meaning and message of the poem. “no, no, it’s not saying we want the poor! We want those who can stand on their own two feet!” – that’s a reasonable position, but he was WRONG to couch it within the context of Lararus’ poem as those his opinion were the message of the New Colossus.

        For what it’s worth, Lararus was quite clearly NOT talking about those who can stand on their own two feet and won’t become public charges. She was a Jewish activist who was a strong advocate for emigrants from Czarist Russian, fleeing the pogroms. These people were illiterate, pennyless, uneducated, didn’t speak English, and didn’t share “European” culture. To imply another meaning to the poem is a corruption.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          THE POEM WAS NOT, HAS NOT AND IS NOT PUBLIC POLICY.

          • I don’t think anyone is saying otherwise.

            But it for DAMN SURE is part of the “American Ethos.”

            • It is a nice poem, nothong more.

              • Bullshit.

                It is a fundamental core value of America.

                We are the Land of Opportunity, the Melting Pot, the Land of Immigrants.

                I don’t want to be a part of “your” version of America.

              • Well, it os a nuce poem and it’s placement is at the main port of legal entry for immigrants. A wonderful welcome for those coming legally and wanting the American dream.

                America’s core value concerning immigration is also part of its core value of being a nation of laws. Nobody that i know of is against LEGAL immigration.

                As far as open borders, that didnt work out to well for many, many people throughout history, and I’m sure the ancestors of American Indians could probably explain that to you much better than I.

                But, there isnt anything wrong with your feelings on the subject. Kindness towards others is great. So, tell us how you have actually done something to support your feelings. Do you foster any unaccompanied kids who cross the border? Sponser anyone seeking asylum? Your words are of great character, but do your actions equal them, or is it just talk.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen-Households-Access-Welfare-Programs

          Immigration laws did not come into play until the next decade. Yet poor penniless immigrants survived. I can guarantee that by the early 1900’s sponsors came into use. The brother of my mothers grandfather “sponsored” some people who were relatives or became related by marriage later. However, Gottlieb DID NOT show up at Ellis Island. They then were going to be deported. Fortunately they were able to reach his brother in PA and ge came to NY and took over the sponsorship. 100 years later the Kaminsky family was still angry at Gottlieb who I never knew existed until a short time ago when i discovered a photo of him and his wife and daughter on the porch of their grand house in Westchester. Nobody ever talked about him. He looked like a dower bitter scrooge in the photo.

          West of Raleigh is a huge pottery making region. Originally settled by potters from Germany. As the story/history goes when those immigrants landed one of the 1st questions asked was where’s the best clay for pottery. There was a well blazed road from Philadelphia to the South Hills in NC. Its still a huge pottery making region

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Your starting to sound like Gman evaluating an Obama speech.

        • I can see this is very important to you, you seem to feel the same way about this important poem as many people feel about burning the American Flag. I will just say to you that everyone of the millions of people who have read this poem do not interpret its meaning the same way you do or even Lazarus herself meant it to. I don’t believe it was the feeling of people of the time, that immigrants should just come and we would supply their every need. I think most felt freedom would allow them to take care of themselves with a temporary helping hand. Now saying all that, I’m thinking Trumps new plan is going a little too far in what it takes to qualify. I have a lot more reading to do, I don’t have enough information but I read they had to have a middle class income which seems unreasonable.

          • I can see this is very important to you,

            It is.

            As you know, I am for OPEN borders. My only constraint would be that you aren’t a known threat. This, of course, is emphatically not the view of the majority of the left, but it is MY position.

            That said, I am a stanch believer in the absolute fundamental human right to seek out opportunity and that it is absolutely evil to keep people out for fear that they will compete with us or that they might alter our culture. This is one of the few points where Black Flag and I agree.

            you seem to feel the same way about this important poem as many people feel about burning the American Flag

            Perhaps.

            A flag is nothing if not a symbol.

            People might look at the flag and see different things, but at the end of the day, I suppose, it says “America.” And burning that symbol is an affront to people who hold America dearly.

            To me, the New Colossus is a fundamental core value of what it means to be America. Not what we “are,” but what who we aspire to be, our noblest selves held to our highest ideals. We are the beacon, the light, the open door to the golden land of opportunity. Anyone from anywhere is welcome to come, and we are made all the greater for it.

            That we fail to live up to this ideal is.. sad. But it is reality.

            I would never suggest we should prosecute flag burners nor those who misquote this poem. Many on the right seem to think the First Amendment does not apply to those with whom they do not agree. I am not among them. You’ll note I never in any way shape or form suggest that what he was saying was or should be criminal.

            But what he was doing is in many ways analogous to defiling the flag rather than burning it. As if he’d replaced the stars with a swastika.

            It’s not so much that it’s “offensive,” but that he’s trying to take a symbol of what’s good about America and turn it into his own message of the polar opposite.

            It is, as I say, a corruption.

            I will just say to you that everyone of the millions of people who have read this poem do not interpret its meaning the same way you do or even Lazarus herself meant it to.

            Of course not. People can barely agree on the meaning of simple sentences, let alone 140-ish year old poetry.

            THAT SAID, while there might be debates of nuance, the text is fairly clear and the context of her having been an advocate for Russian Jewish immigrants kind of makes it clear what she was getting at. We could paste the full text here, and I think you’d agree you need some extraordinarily contorted logic to arrive at what Cuccinelli was getting at. He was not interpreting the poem – he was overwriting it with his own preferred message.

            He was rejecting the New Colossus and using bits of it to lend legitimacy to a message Lazarus would have found abhorrent.

            As though one took the anthem and decided to quote it ending with “the land of the rich and the home of fascists.” It’s not a question of “interpretation” – that’s just subverting it. Imagine going to a game and some jackass liberal with an ax to grind sang the anthem that way – how apoplectic would people be? The right could barely contain their inchoate rage at someone not standing for the anthem, imagine if he took it and defiled it that way.

            I don’t believe it was the feeling of people of the time, that immigrants should just come and we would supply their every need.

            I fail to find anything suggesting anyone anywhere should ever have to provide for immigrants’ every need.

            What Lazarus was saying, what I’m saying, is that they should be free to come here, to seek out safety and peace and opportunity. What Cuccinelli is saying is that what she actually meant was that only people already self-sufficient should come here. I don’t know if she was talking about “everyone,” but she was at least talking about poor Russian Jews. They would NOT have passed the Public Charge test.

            I think most felt freedom would allow them to take care of themselves with a temporary helping hand.

            Sure, fine. A bit outside the scope of what I can assert Larazus meant. This is probably true, but I might just be projecting.

            But what Cuccinelli was saying is that only people “who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge” should be included and that’s objectively antithetical to the poem’s plain text and contextual meaning.

            Now saying all that, I’m thinking Trumps new plan is going a little too far in what it takes to qualify. I have a lot more reading to do, I don’t have enough information but I read they had to have a middle class income which seems unreasonable.

            I agree, but that’s beyond the scope of this topic.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              How can it be a corruption when the law he cited and the policies existed BEFORE the poem was written? That was the policy of the USA and the author knew what those policies were.

              What you are enamored with is the “legend” of the poem which was created by people who turned it into a symbol for their own agenda. Just as you now use it to support what you think policies “should be”.

              I think you, and you are not alone on this, have placed far to much “literal” meaning in the poem based on “today’s” standards and viewpoints.

              Let alone the fact that when the poem was written and the statue erected we had almost 200 million fewer people in this country.

              • So, everyone wants to be like Norway……..heath care, etc……..then adopt Norway’s or even< Switzerlands immigration policy.

              • How can it be a corruption when the law he cited and the policies existed BEFORE the poem was written? That was the policy of the USA and the author knew what those policies were.

                Stop conflating The Law with The Spirit of America.

                That poem is a core value of what America stands for: the golden land of opportunity, the land of immigrants, where anyone can come and become anything.

                It is a statement of our highest ideals.

                The Law is something else entirely.

                If we fall short of our ideals, as we are wont to do, then so be it.

                But the later does not void the former any more than, say, a treatise against slavery would be invalid because slavery was legal at the time.

                What you are enamored with is the “legend” of the poem which was created by people who turned it into a symbol for their own agenda. Just as you now use it to support what you think policies “should be”.

                What I am “enamored” of is the plan-text reading of the poem AND the obvious meaning in light of Lazarus well-documented history as an advocate for emigrating poor Russian Jews.

                To see this as anything other than a call to welcome the poor and bereft into the land of the American dream is a serious contortion of logic.

                And to deliberately tack on a contradictory message would be something akin to ending the anthem with “and the home of the slaves.” The anthem’s not “law” in any way shape or form.. but it sure as isn’t about us being slaves, it’s about us being free, and changing it in that way is a corruption.

                I think you, and you are not alone on this, have placed far to much “literal” meaning in the poem based on “today’s” standards and viewpoints.

                I’m honestly very curious.

                Interpret it for me.

                Lazarus was an outspoken advocate for allowing poor, uneducated, illiterate, non-English-Speaking, Russian Jews into the country. They had no roots, no family, no special skills, no connections.

                Give me a historical view of this poem either by it’s text or within the context of Lazarus’ well-documented history which says anything OTHER than this is the land where the poor and the downtrodden are welcome to come to seek opportunity.

                Let alone the fact that when the poem was written and the statue erected we had almost 200 million fewer people in this country.

                Sure… and less debt.. and less safety net.. and and and and and and…

                You can – absolutely – make the argument that the world has changed, that our situation has changed, that times have changed. That what she was saying no longer applies.

                But you can’t say that she wasn’t saying it.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    I am thinking that maybe ALL CONGRESSIONAL delegations be barred from traveling to ALL COUNTRIES on anything remotely appearing to be official business. Let them pay their own way, motel, transport etc etc..

    These JUNKETS should be eliminated.

    • Just A Citizen says:
      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        There honestly is no reason for congressional visits in taxpayer dimes. The House has no skin in any trade or treaty deals with foreign countries. There is a reason during the advise and consent process of the Senate to possibly visit. But as is well known the Obama administration via the State dept tried to derail the last election in Israel if Netanyahu.

        Pelosi and a congressional delegation had meetings with Assad to stick it to Bush II. So much so Bush had to publically proclaim anything Pelosi and the delegation said or did was unsanctioned and disavowed by the administration

  8. Dale A Albrecht says:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knox_Mine_disaster

    Please note the “Aftermath” section of those indicted for causing the accident. Superintendent, listed owner, SECRET owner and union officials

    I do remember the whirlpool of the susquehanna pouring into the mine.

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    LET ME EXPLICITLY DECLARE

    No child of an Illegal Alien or person here on a Visa of any kind or a person here with a Green Card who is born in the USA should be a citizen. Their status should be tied to their parents. If the parents have Green Cards and pursue Citizenship, then the kids go along.

    If kids of “legal” residents reach 18 and still have not gained Citizenship then they could apply as Adults. But they should then have to get in line……..behind those already in the line.

    If the parents did not pursue citizenship then the kids should not get to jump ahead of others already in the process, just because they reach 18.

    For these kids who become adults I would provide new Green Cards if they wish to be Citizens. Basically starting the process anew for them. Meanwhile I would send their parent home if they have over stayed their Green Card permit.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      I totally agree. A former GF was on a green card for 20 years at the time we met. She went from her native country to Great Britain where she also never obtained citizenship. She was there many years. A daughter was born in England and the daughter now had dual citizenship. The father emmigrated to NY and brought the baby girl. The Mom followed later, fast forward 21 years. The Mom still has only her original citizenship though not having lived in her native country for at least 40 year. Daughter dual citizenship from GB and Moms native country. Is as American as you can imagine. Never lived in the country of birth but as a 6 month old nor either of her parents country of birth, which was NOT England. The company the daughter got a job with handled classified government military aviation material. They required US citizenship only and a security clearance. As I said the job was a great paying job. Ingrid valued the job, got her citizenship and clearances continued employment and her Mom was furious. Ingrid turned to her mom and flat out said, if you’d turn off Telemundo and learn ENGLISH just maybe you could get a good job and stop sponging of me and Dale

    • I agree totally. I also totally agree with Trumps conditions on immigrants to be self sufficient. I can understand a temporary setback getting some help like anyone else, just not forever. Zero, and I stress ZERO govt aid for illegals, except for legit asylum cases.

    • I care less about “citizenship” than I do about letting people live and work where they want so long as they do so in peace.

      If I can find someone to employ me, and I can find land for purchase, then who are YOU to get in between me and those private contracts?

      I -REJECT- the assertion that “being a nation” means was have any right to hoard economic opportunity or preserve our culture on the backs of trampling the rights of innocent men and women who want nothing more than to seek a better life for themselves and their children.

      And if anyone knows where Black Flag has anchored, he’d be happy to give you a 10,000 word essay on why I’m right.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Can we possible agree that if there are 100,000 dishwasher jobs in the country and 95,000 applicants then wages will, in some places rise above minimum. If there are 105,000 applicants wages will bottom. If there are 300,000 applicants, many illegally here, the original 95,000 WILL NO LONGER be employed and the 100,000 will be paid either as independent contractors under a 1099 or under the table. I’d even go so far as to say the same would happen if they were legally here. There were in fact far more coal mining job applicants than there were coal mines 120 years ago.

        This should NOT be a difficult concept to understand. In my admittedly personal experience I have found that the group chanting loudest for open borders are all employed in fields, careers, professions or endeavors that are NOT threatened.

        “We hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men”

        Now, based on what YOU said, “I care less about “citizenship” than I do about letting people live and work where they want so long as they do so in peace.” it would seem that those words might just support your position. WRONG. Wrong because the operant words are Government, life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. WE have created government among ourselves, our little North American tribe and that government says that to preserve the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, certain standards called laws have been created. The Declaration goes on to say, “That whenever any government becomes destructive of these ends…it is the right of the people to alter and abolish it”. I believe, assuming Trump survives another five years, someday historians will look back and see the direct relationship between his administration and that call to “alter it”. It has been altered before, by Lincoln and by Theodore Roosevelt and others to a far lesser degree.

        Your concepts are being played out in Europe as we speak. The Brits have caught on to its shortfalls and are rejecting it. Let us ALL see how it plays out over the next 20 years before we adopt it. After all, what the hell is the hurry as Jesus H. Christ once famously said, “the poor will always be with you.”

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I am a CITIZEN of the USA, that is who I am. And a man who supports the SOVEREIGNTY of my country.

        When you have talked all the other nations of the world to do as you wish, then I will support open borders. Hell, just start in our hemisphere. You can’t even get Canada to cooperate.

  10. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Currently, US citizens can travel to Europe for up to 90 days without any sort of travel authorization. ETIAS will change that. Visa-free travelers, including US citizens, will need to request ETIAS authorization before visiting the Schengen Area. … The United States won’t be the only country affected by the changes

    I’ll bet that these changes will include proof of medical insurance and ample funds and return tickets to INSURE you do not cost the EU any money in the event of an emergency. I’ll also bet the trump administration new policy mirrors the EU policy that takes effect in 2021.

    I know even way back in 73 in a country governed by the Netherlands and France had to prove all of these financial requirements and a non cashable return ticket out of the country. I was granted an unlimited Visa, with a NO WORK PERMITTED clause. Hence ample funds had to be proven available

  11. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Why should there even be a question of “self sufficiency” for immigrants? Comparing them to the “rabble” who arrived 100 years ago, like my grandparents is absurd. My grandparents had NO social safety net. If things went South, they either starved or returned home as many did.

    Would you believe 30 to 40 percent?

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/04/160424-refugee-migration-immigration-history-eastern-europe-jews-ngbooktalk/

    • If you want to argue about denying access to social safety nets to new immigrants, I will happily have that conversation. I’m not necessarily hostile to the idea. Not that I’m particularly friendly to it either, though.

      But I believe that a person seeking freedom and opportunity has a right to come to America and seek it. It is who we are.

      And I do not care if they have a penny or to their name or a marketable skill when they do so.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Right to come to America? Why just us? Why not in Europe or China, Japan etc. It ain’t going to happen unless who ever you work for coughs up the very expensive fees of sponsorship. Even back in the early 2000’s a student Visa required a sponsorship costing between $15k and $20. Forfeit if the student did not provably go home upon completion of their study. Once they go home the sponsor gets their money back. And the sponsor could be liable for criminal prosecution because it’s their job to insure compliance. There in the case of China or Switzerland strict language requirements. With having worked long term in the Netherlands 2X, Italy and Great Britain and suffered through a hideous border crossing to teach a one week course in Toronto which amounted to an arrest until both at&t and Ottawa sent documentation proving my reason for entry in 2002.

        However the government us slow on enforcement or spotting scans or hyst plain ignoring them.

        Bottom line border agents and immigration officers have a great deal of leeway. Discretionary enforcement. Could be extremely hard or a wave through. By the time you sort it out you could be sitting in a place you had no intention if being in.

        Many times the actions if the agents is in retaliation to something the country you were coming from did.

        Experience if 48 years of international travel, and if in doubt the EU does profile and at their discretion you may be barred from boarding the plane

        • Right to come to America?

          Well, really, anywhere.

          If you can buy or lease land, then it’s your right to occupy it.

          If you can find someone willing to employ you, then it’s your right to work for them.

          Full stop.

          Right to come to America?

          Because we’re AMERICA.

          Why not in Europe or China, Japan etc

          Because they’re not AMERICA.

          .. but they should, too.

          It ain’t going to happen unless who ever you work for coughs up the very expensive fees of sponsorship.

          … or we could just not charge those fees….

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Nobody has a “RIGHT” to come here. Never did. We opened and closed the gates as we needed to. Now it is time to close them and to do some of that E pluribusing!

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Yes, and neither grandfather was a coal miner in the old country but it is what they did here and what took their lives at 42 and 55.

  12. Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
    “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
    With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

    This, right here, this is the beating heart, the soul of America. And anyone who says otherwise has a vision of this country to which I do not subscribe.

    • There is a lot of stuff happening in Hong Kong, people may be killed, yet it seems to be the majority viewpoint that there is a limit to what we can do. What is different about immigration? Why are we duty bound to open our borders and let everyone in, even if unlimited immigration will overwhelm and hurt this country. What is the difference?

    • This poem is a sentiment not the law. No one has the “right” to come here and become a citizen. It is a privilege we offer to people under the proper conditions.

      • This poem is a sentiment not the law.

        I never said otherwise.

        It said it’s the ethos of America, the spirit of America, not that legally binding.

        No one has the “right” to come here

        Sure they do!

        Just because you think you have some right to tell other people where they can live and where they can work even though it doesn’t involve you doesn’t change anything.

        No one has the “right” to […] become a citizen.

        I don’t seem to recall saying this…

        • So you have a God given right to move anywhere in the world you want? Or is your God given right just to move to the US? For someone who prides themselves on legalese, you certainly are confused about rights and privileges.

  13. There’s a book I’m reading which is book 5 of The Expanse series. It is really well written and fascinating science fiction. It is also a phenomenal series on Amazon.

    ::spoilers in case anyone cares::

    In this book, a rogue faction of an alliance of outer planets and the asteroid belt has just accelerated a few meteors and dropped them on Earth killing billions.

    The head of the UN (the Earth’s government) is a woman named Christian Avasarala, after her boss was killed in the attack, and she’s giving an interview in the aftermath.

    Interviewer: The other casualties of the war-

    Avasarala: No. Not ‘war’, not ‘casualties.’ They’re murders. This isn’t a war. Marco Inaros can claim to be an admiral in command of a great navy if he wants. I can claim to be the effing Buddha. That doesn’t make it true. He’s a criminal with a lot of stolen ships and more innocent blood his hands than anyone in history. He’s a monstrous little boy.

    Interviewer: So you don’t consider this an act of war?

    Avasarala: War? By who? War is a conflict between governments, yes? What sort of government does he represent? When was he elected? Who appointed him? Now, after the fact, he is scrambling to say he represents Belters. So what? Any petty thug in his position would want to call it war because it makes him sound serious.

    Interviewer: I’m sorry, are you saying this attack isn’t serious?

    Avasarala: This attack is the greatest tragedy in human history. But it was carried out by short sighted narcissistic criminals. They want a war? Too bad. They get an arrest, processing, and a fair trial with whatever lawyer they can afford.

    ————

    I was reading this and couldn’t help thinking of 9/11. This is the attitude I would have loved to see in the aftermath. Just think of all the self-inflicted damage we could have avoided, the freedoms we could have retained, the principles we could have lived up to, the moral high ground we could have occupied.. ::sigh::

    The book is great, and Avasarala is a total bad-ass. I cannot recommend it enough.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Finally something we can agree on. Although we had to send the CIA/troops to Afghanistan. But we should have also got Osama and Bora Bora and then went home.

      I have not read the books but was watching the TV series. Then it just vanished. Three Sci Fi shows we were following all kind of just ended mid stream. Maybe Amazon has added some new one so I will have to check it out.

      • Finally something we can agree on.

        Finally!

        Although we had to send the CIA/troops to Afghanistan. But we should have also got Osama and Bora Bora and then went home.

        I mean, yea. It’s not like we could have sent over a police officer with a pair of handcuffs.

        I have not read the books but was watching the TV series. Then it just vanished

        It’s on Amazon Prime. Season 4 will be out soon(ish) and it has already been approved for season 5. Season 4 will supposedly follow Cibola Burn, the 4th book, which I thought was somewhat weak compared to the others. If season 5 follows book five, Nemesis Games, which I am reading above, then it could be some of the best sci fi tv in history.

        Three Sci Fi shows we were following all kind of just ended mid stream.

        What were the others? I love me some sci fi.

        By the way, lots of new Star Trek coming out.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          Kill Joy and Dark Matter

          We were watching these on Sci Fi channel or maybe some other channel.

          When The Expanse ended in year three it didn’t come back the next year. So if Amazon now has season 4 and 5 then it has taken a couple of years to get from 3 to 4. Interesting time lapse.

          I do know that some of these shows started on one cable channel and then moved to others for various reasons. We have not had the cable for a couple years now so haven’t kept up.

          • I believe Kill Joy is still on – I got distracted and stopped watching, but I have it on my list to eventually watch again.

            Dark Matter was great until they started just shoehorning in every plot they could into it, hoping to drive up rating, rushing the coup plot, and leaving me with yet another promising series cancelled on a cliff-hanger. GRR.

            Sci-Fi channel cancelled Expanse (morons!) and a huge save-the-Expanse campaign managed to convince Amazon to take it over. Bezos is a huge fan. Season 4 isn’t out yet, but should be soon (December?) and they’ve already renewed for 5. Season 1-3 is available now on Amazon.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              I did some reading up on all these after my comment. Seems one of the reasons I thought they all disappeared is they moved the later seasons to different times of year. We are big SciFy fans in the WINTER. So apparently I missed the Third Season of The Expanse.

              History did the same thing to Vikings. Screwed my viewing all up. Took a year to figure out how to get back up to speed on that series.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          Also about that time was Falling Skies and Defiance.

          Falling Skies was the only one of the bunch that reached a conclusion at the end. In other words, they wrote the story to end with the series.

          We also like Colony, but that got cut after only two seasons. Again without a real conclusion.

          • Fallling Skies was GREAT… until they butchered the final season / ending with some absurd mcguffin and too-easy victory and bad guys that exploded out of the sky at the end for no reason whatsoever despite never having given any indication that they were combustible.

            You have pretty good taste in sci fi.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              You are correct on Falling Skies. Remember at the time, wife and I both felt they had decided to cancel the show but had time to wrap it up. So the ending looked and felt rushed to us.

              Lets not forget Battlestar Gallactica, SG-! AND SG-Atlantis. I always felt BS Gallactica’s ending was also anti climatic. Then as I remember, they tried a spin off but that just didn’t cut it. Star Buck made a better conflicted deputy to Longmire anyway.

              When the kids were still young our Friday night was called Sci Fy Friday.

              Pizza, sodas and popcorn. SG-1, SG Atlantis, Battlestar Gallactica and followed with the grand finale of The Red Green Show. Years later my daughter would take what she learned from those shows and patch up the upholstery in the old car we gave her. With PINK DUCT TAPE, BLUE DUCT TAPE and a whole bunch of fake jewels and such glued all over the inside of the car.

              Later on the two youngest made me stay up and watch Dr. Who. Never quite got into that one though. But the kids loved it for some reason.

    • Read the series……………..meh.

  14. Dayton shooter:

    “The coroner said cocaine, antidepressants and alcohol were found in Betts’ system at the time of the shooting. A pipe device and a clear baggie carrying cocaine was found on Betts’ body.”

    I want to know the brand name of the antidepressants.

    • I want to know the brand name of the antidepressants.

      You think that’s a bigger problem than the coke?

      • It says the coke was in a bag. It does not say in his body with the alcohol and antidepressants. It is certainly a toxic mix and shows how screwed up this guy was. Now was the El Paso shooter on drugs (legal or otherwise) also?

        Are there brands of coke?

    • Canine Weapon says:

      a clear baggie carrying cocaine was found on [redacted because we assholes don’t get to get famous for this]’s body.”

      What a waste of perfectly good drugs!

  15. Dale A Albrecht says:

  16. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Kissinger take on Trump

    Kissinger is now 95 years old.  Recently, Henry Kissinger did an interview and said very amazing things regarding President Trump. He starts with:

    “Donald Trump is a phenomenon that foreign countries haven’t seen before!”

    The former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger gives us a new understanding of President Donald Trump’s foreign policy and predicts its success:

    “Liberals and all those who favor (Hillary) Clinton will never admit it.

    “They will never admit that he is the one true leader.  The man is doing changes like never before and does all of it for the sake of this nation’s people.

    After eight years of tyranny, we finally see a difference.”

    Kissinger knows it and he continues with:

    “Every country now has to consider two things:

    One, their perception that the previous president, or the outgoing president, basically withdrew America from international politics, so that they had to make their own assessments of their necessities.

    “And secondly, that there is a new president who’s asking a lot of unfamiliar questions.  And because of the combination of the partial vacuum and the new questions, one could imagine that something remarkable and new emerges out of it.”

    Then Kissinger puts it bluntly: “Trump puts America and its people first.  This is why people love him and this is why he will remain in charge for so long.  There is not a single thing wrong with him and people need to open their eyes.”  When he boasts that he has a “bigger red button” than Kim Jung Un does, he so transcends the mealy-mouthed rhetoric of the past, thereby forcing a new recognition of American power.

    Kissinger once wrote:

    “The weak grow strong by effrontery – The strong grow weak through inhibition!”  No sentence better captures the U.S.-North Korea relationship.

    Trump is discarding the inhibitions and calling the bluff on North Korea ‘s effrontery:

    His point is that the contrast of American retreat under Obama and its new assertion of power under Trump creates a new dynamic that every one of our allies and of our enemies must consider.

    Our allies grew complacent with Obama’s passivity and now are fearful due to Trump’s activism.  And they must balance the two in developing their policies:

    They realize that the old assumptions, catalyzed by Bush 43’s preoccupation with Iraq and Obama’s refusal to lead are obsolete.  So, Trump is forcing a new calculus with a new power behind American interests.  Those — here and abroad — who rode the old apple cart worry about it being toppled.

    But, as Kissinger so boldly stated:

    “Trump is the one true leader in world affairs and he is forcing policy changes that put America first!“

    This is the most accurate statement of what the American Citizens who live outside of the swamp want and expect from their government.  I like the list of 13 things that I, as a senior American citizen, want.  Trump is at least talking about issues that most Americans are concerned about.

    My mantra about Trump is this:

    Truthfully, we are in agreement with most of what he says.  We are getting older and our tickers aren’t what they used to be, but what matters is that he covers most of the 13 things we as seniors want, at least I do for sure:

    1.  Hillary:  held accountable for her previous wrongs!

    2.  Put “GOD” back in America !

    3.  Borders:  Closed or tightly guarded!

    4.  Congress:  On the same retirement and healthcare plans as everybody else.

    5.  Congress:  Obey its own laws NOW!

    6.  Language:  English!

    7.  Culture:  Constitution and the Bill of Rights!

    8.  Drug-Free:  Mandatory Drug Screening before and during Welfare!

    9.  Freebies:  NONE to Non-Citizens!

    10.  Budget:  Balance the damn thing!

    11.  Foreign Countries:  Stop giving them our money!  Charge them for our help!  We need it here.

    12.  Term limits for congress

    And most of all.

    13. “RESPECT OUR MILITARY AND OUR FLAG AND OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Henry the K represented a retrenching America after Johnson’s Viet-nam debacle. The “opening to China” was a sign of weakness not strength as was the “glasnost” with the Evil Empire.

      So NOW the old sonofabitch jumps on board! Goddam opportunist!

      Interesting thinking though. Johnson bumbled, Kennedy bumbled before him pissing away Eisenhower’s high ground. Carter saw a decline, a malaise, Reagan was undermined even by his own VP who could not even wait a decent interval before dismantling the Reagan Revolution which, since he had no plan of his own, led to an abbreviated administration. Poor Reagan, as good as he was, never used the “bully pulpit” to full avail. Clinton was for Clinton and his money and whores. Bush II was, to put it mildly “confused”.Seemed to only have a plan for eternal war and “getting along” at home. He also overly relied on experts and had NO perceived instincts (remember Katrina). Obama, what the F can you say about him? His goal was to be our first Caesar and Hillary his Augustus. Dammit, our “Brutus” ie. DJT did not make the mistakes of his historical predecessor and shut that one down in one quick hurry. DJT has both powerful instincts and the ability to use the bully pulpit as no one since FDR and FDR’s uncle.

    • 1. Hillary: held accountable for her previous wrongs!

      Prove ’em in court, hold her accountable. Same as anyone.

      But don’t have the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES leading chants to lock her up before a fair trial.

      2. Put “GOD” back in America !

      Eff that.

      3. Borders: Closed or tightly guarded!

      Eff that.

      4. Congress: On the same retirement and healthcare plans as everybody else.

      Sure.

      5. Congress: Obey its own laws NOW!

      Yes.

      6. Language: English!

      Eff that.

      7. Culture: Constitution and the Bill of Rights!

      I…. I don’t know what this means..?

      8. Drug-Free: Mandatory Drug Screening before and during Welfare!

      Well, now… I’m on board if… IF… the savings accrued to the tax payer surpasses the cost of the testing and implementation, etc.

      That is, I don’t want to a million dollars of testing to save $100 of fraud.

      9. Freebies: NONE to Non-Citizens!

      But I like my freebies!

      Well, actually, as an upper class, but not rich person, I get nothing.

      But I like freebies when they go to the right people for the right reasons.

      10. Budget: Balance the damn thing!

      Sure…. how?

      Ooh, can we start by cutting back on our ridiculously bloated military budget? Maybe some of those subsidies Trump is giving to farmers to offset the costs of his trade war?

      11. Foreign Countries: Stop giving them our money! Charge them for our help! We need it here.

      Eff that.

      12. Term limits for congress

      YES.

      13. “RESPECT OUR MILITARY

      I honestly don’t know what you’re getting at here. This whole country has its collective head so far up the military’s ass, it’s not even funny.

      What’s worse is that it makes such huge motions of fealty to the military and then abandons them afterward… the VA, homeless vets, etc.

      RESPECT […] OUR FLAG

      I don’t know what epidemic of flag burning you’re seeing, but most of this country has plenty of respect for the flag.

      RESPECT […] OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

      As with military, I think law enforcement gets hero worshiped in this country far in excess of its actual contribution or the risks they take. Which is not to minimize its contribution or the risks they take, but rather to suggest that the amount of hero-worship is so absurd as to be comedic.

  17. Democrats:
    Rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling the poor people that the other rich people are the reason they’re poor.

  18. Just A Citizen says:
    • Just because you sometimes find a witch doesn’t make it not a witch hunt.

      If the Russian collusion investigation had turned up evidence of collusion, that wouldn’t have made it not a witch hunt… it just would have been a successful one.

  19. WASHINGTON, D.C.—Congresswomen Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar reported Thursday they were bewildered that they got banned from Israel, a country they seem to believe shouldn’t exist at all.

    “It’s racism,” said Omar in a press conference. “It’s all due to racism. Well, that and a Jewish conspiracy. The Jews are behind this, for sure.” (The evidence indicates she’s correct on this assertion, a first for her accusations against Jews).
    Tlaib agreed, saying she wanted to ask Jews about the Holocaust so she could relax and get a “calming feeling” while she was there.
    “It just doesn’t make much sense for this country that shouldn’t even exist to ban us,” she said. “What have we ever said against them, besides suggesting they are terrorists who deserve to be pushed into the sea?”
    The women said they now had to change their vacation plans from hanging out with people they hate in a country they hate to somewhere less “Jewy.”

  20. Canine Weapon says:

    • Pass the eye bleach, please! As tangled a web as this whole coup business has become, I sure didn’t expect it to go off on this angle. But since it has, I wouldn’t doubt for a second that this ‘painting’ actually happened with a real live Bubba sitting there. Also, the entire mess is FUBAR! SMH!

    • THIS is something I could have done without,…….for Mathius to even find this means he was on too many Red Bulls……..

      BTW, MAthius, I just got back from South Texas where I had Lone Star Churros in your honor…..Yes, sir, Mexico is making churros in the shape of the Lone Star of Texas……..so…..

      • So THAT’S where you’ve been.. I was worried about your old ticker…

        Now, if you’d be so kind as to mail me one of those Lone Star Churros….

        Also, how’d you like my solution to the Hong Kong situation? 😛

        • Try again…could not bring up the link………and thanks for being concerned about the “ticker”…it is still going…..and, if something were to happen to me…..ya’ll would know it on here…..I have made arrangements.

          • Reposting…

            A proposal for “solving” Hong Kong.

            Now, hear me out, and let me know if any of this sounds familiar to you.

            Hong Kong doesn’t really want to be part of China, but it’s not strong enough to stand on its own. But what if it declared independence as some kind of “lone” “republic.” They could hang out for a little while (getting their asses kicked and hiding out in doomed forts) and then agree to be annexed by some other country. Maybe they could pick a country with some kind of expansionary “destiny”.. someone who might enjoy sticking their thumb in China’s eye… someone whose President is so bat-shit crazy, he might actually think this is a good plan…

            ———–

            Then maybe, after a while, they could apply for statehood and spend the next two centuries bitching about how they are really their own country.

            • I have too much to do in Mathius Land right now………nice analogy, however, and a well designed..ummm….”dig”.

              However, since Taiwan has a protection treaty with the United States and since China thinks that Taiwan is actually part of China……..perhaps Hong Kong can request asylum with Taiwan……then, by extension, fall under the protection treaty……

              in the meantime, I can have my staff draw up contingency plans.

  21. .. until I earn my 10-year chip!

  22. A repeat from above:

    @Mathius

    Well, it is a nice poem and it’s placement is at the main port of legal entry for immigrants. A wonderful welcome for those coming legally and wanting the American dream.
    America’s core value concerning immigration is also part of its core value of being a nation of laws. Nobody that I know of is against LEGAL immigration.
    As far as open borders, that didn’t work out to well for many, many people throughout history, and I’m sure the ancestors of American Indians could probably explain that to you much better than I.
    But, there isn’t anything wrong with your feelings on the subject. Kindness towards others is great. So, tell us how you have actually done something to support your feelings. Do you foster any unaccompanied kids who cross the border? Sponsor anyone seeking asylum? Your words are of great character, but do your actions equal them, or is it just talk.

    • Nobody that I know of is against LEGAL immigration.

      I agree.

      BUT, legal immigration has become so obscenely hard as to be borderline impossible for most people.

      It’s as if I said, sure, no body is against legal gun ownership! But then went ahead and passed 12 year waiting periods on firearm purchases, reams of paperwork to fill out, deep/thorough background checks, and tens of thousands of dollars of added expense.

      As far as open borders, that didn’t work out to well for many, many people throughout history’. m sure the ancestors of American Indians could probably explain that to you much better than I.

      NOW whose the one appealing to Greater Good theory?

      “It’s ok to trample their rights because it makes our lives better.”

      But, there isn’t anything wrong with your feelings on the subject.

      Of course not.

      Kindness towards others is great.

      It’s not just “kindness.” It’s a question of denying a fundamental human right because we’d rather hoard the opportunity for ourselves.

      So, tell us how you have actually done something to support your feelings. Do you foster any unaccompanied kids who cross the border? Sponsor anyone seeking asylum? Your words are of great character, but do your actions equal them, or is it just talk.

      Well, I voted for the Democrats….

      • BUT, legal immigration has become so obscenely hard as to be borderline impossible for most people.

        Citation please!

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Just to point out, over 1,000,000 have come through legally every year. Now in a world of 7 Billion that is a trifle but what is an appropriate number? What can be absorbed? How closely do you want our cities to resemble old Calcutta? How high a tax rate is too high a tax rate?

          • Yes, nothing has changed concerning legal immigration. Me thinks Mathius is pulling a Trump exaggeration.

            I also think that when Trump said he was sending all the illegals to sanctuary cities and States and the Crats through a fit is pretty much what it all is, we support open borders, as long as they stay away from my neighborhood.

        • Source:

          1) A Canadian friend.
          2) A Russian friend.
          3) A British guy I sort-of know.
          4) A Greek coworker.
          5) https://thumbnails-visually.netdna-ssl.com/what-part-of-legal-immigration-dont-you-understand_50290c8272a8d.jpg

          *re #5: [citations needed]

          • By the way, nobody hates illegal immigrants more than my Russian friend.

            [Paraphrasing] “I had to wait more than a decade to become a citizen.. I came here legally as a child, stayed here legally until I was old enough to apply, went to college, got a good high skill job, all legal, filled out tons of paperwork, paid for expensive lawyers to help me with the process, got an employer to sponsor me, got married, had two citizen children, got an MBA, and then was finally granted citizenship. And these people just hop the line and come here without going through any of that!”

            And, because he’s.. temperamental.. on this issue, I did not respond: “your complaint shouldn’t be that they didn’t go through all that, but that you did.”

            • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

              I daresay, my legal immigrant Dominican workers hater the illegals just as much as your Russian friend.

          • I would agree to some streamlining, but this is nothing new. If a foriegner wants to be a citizen, there are laws to follow. Laws are the core of American values, even if some are just bad.

            If it were up to me, everyone one here illegally would be rounded up and shipped out.

            • I would agree to some streamlining, but this is nothing new.

              I don’t care if it’s new or ancient. It’s evil.

              If you just need to pass through a port, maybe it takes a day, yea.. ok, fine, whatever.. I get it…

              If it takes you years and thousands of dollars to get in, just to apply and wait another several years.. and you only have a prayer if you’re rich, specially qualified, or related to a citizen…? Screw that.

              If you’re one of Emma Lazarus’ poor Russian Jews, you have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting in right now. That’s evil.

              If a foriegner wants to be a citizen,

              You keep conflating this and I keep pushing back.

              I am NOT talking about citizenship. Citizenship should be tied to having a long-term vested interest in the wellbeing of the country.

              I am more talking about being here, living here, working here, having access to this land of opportunity.

              If you’re a poor dishwasher from Honduras and you can manage to get here because you have the drive and the motivation and aspiration to strive for more… you should be here… you should be welcomed with open arms. And, then, if you put down roots, and become an American, citizenship should follow.

              But I am NOT suggesting that anyone who crosses the border should become a citizen.

              If a foriegner wants to be a citizen come here, there are laws to follow.

              Nobody is arguing that there aren’t laws or that we should ignore them.

              Well, actually, no, that’s not right. I -AM- arguing that we should ignore them because they’re BAD, EVIL, and IMMORAL laws. If the law tells me to murder people, that might be the law, but I ain’t doin’ that either.

              If it were up to me, everyone one here illegally would be rounded up and shipped out.

              Good thing it’s not up to you, then.

              • You are free to think as you wish, but the law is the law and until, if ever, those laws change, it is what it is. Don’t really know what else to tell you. I know what my Grandfather would tell you, but it’s not very nice 😀

              • I -AM- arguing that we should ignore them because they’re BAD, EVIL, and IMMORAL laws No sir…..you have no right to say this…..if it is a law….a duly pased law, as you have said before, if you do not like it change the law…….you have said this…….if it is a law….so be it.

                ICE is enforcing the law……you may not like, I may not like it….but it is the law of the land, good or bad. They are not the bad guys….the law breakers are the bad guys…..whether they are a newborn in a mother’s arms or the worse criminal ever…..they are law breakers.

                Why is this hard for you to get a handle on?

                BTW….happy annniversary….I dont even know how long I have been here.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                You keep dodging it….How many are too many?

                What if your job was affected?

              • if it is a law….a duly pased law, as you have said before, if you do not like it change the law…….you have said this…….if it is a law….so be it.

                Indeed I have said this. And will again in the future.

                But this has limits.

                I do not begrudge ICE doing their jobs. But so were the SS at Birkenau. No, I’m not calling ICE Nazis. Nor am I saying the two jobs are anywhere close to equivalent. But I am pointing out that this has to have limits.

                You, sir, are a huge supporter of “the-law-is-the-law,” so tell me, imagine the law said you had to kill an innocent man. That’s the law. It’s there in black and white: “Law #32423: D13 is required to execute the next person he sees.” That’s the law. Do you follow that? Of course you don’t!

                So, of course, as a sane human being, you agree with me that this has to have limits. We just disagree on those limits. Civil disobedience is a thing and it can be necessary from time to time.

                They [ICE] are not the bad guys

                I don’t seem to recall saying they are..

                They’re just following the law, doing their duty.. trying to do the right thing.

                Why is this hard for you to get a handle on?

                Because it’s evil.

                And just because it’s legal evil doesn’t make it any better.

                I’m not asking you to agree with me. But -I- believe it’s wrong to stop people from seeking out opportunity and peace and safety because they were born in the wrong place. It’s just wrong. And I don’t care what the law says, it’s wrong. It’s evil. The law is evil. The enforcers aren’t necessarily evil, they’re just doing their duty, and I get that. Supporters of the law aren’t evil, they just want what they think is best, and I get that. But -I- think that it’s wrong. And I cannot and will not hold accountable someone breaking an evil, immoral law. Just as I would not fault you for refusing to execute an innocent man.

                BTW….happy annniversary….I dont even know how long I have been here.

                Thank you, sir!

                You predate me, I believe, so somewhere between 10 and 11 years.

              • SK,

                You keep dodging it….How many are too many?

                How many people are there?

                All of them.

                As many as want to come here.

                What if your job was affected?

                Well then that would suck for me.

                But what right to do I have to keep my job by interjecting myself into someone else’s life to make them unable to compete? “Sure, I’m not the best hire, but I slit the tires on the other guy who was interviewing, so I got the job after he didn’t show up on time.” Seems perfectly moral to me, right?

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                Now Matt, that is a pretty stupid answer. EVERYBODY. Well if EVERYBODY comes than pretty damn soon the place won’t be fit for human habitation. That might just have an impact on your kid’s future.

                How’s about the people who NOW want to come here to fill jobs that soon won’t exist, stay home and improve where they live?

                Ya know, this USA thing DID NOT happen by accident. There is NOTHING out there preventing others from following suit. Europe seems to have been able to do it considering where they were a few centuries back with Czars, Kings and Kaisers and they generally followed some of our example and changed their prospects and future . Nothing preventing the rest of the world from following their example is there?

                The “failed” states in the third world have all follow a variation on your theme of rich oppressors, poor peasants. Rather than force a systematic change they went for “let’s kill the golden goose and get ALL the eggs”. has not worked out that well yet China is a work in progress isn’t it?

                I really think Aesop’s fables as well as the Twilight Zone episodes should be required in high school and testing on them part of a graduation requirement. Hell, throw in Bible stories like the Tower of Babel too!

              • Now Matt, that is a pretty stupid answer. EVERYBODY. Well if EVERYBODY comes than pretty damn soon the place won’t be fit for human habitation.

                Of course… but then, if they’re all here, I’d just go there

                That might just have an impact on your kid’s future.

                Yup.. but what about THEIR kid’s future?

                Why do I get to trample their rights for MY kid, but begrudge them when they want to do the right thing for THEIR kids?

                How’s about the people who NOW want to come here to fill jobs that soon won’t exist

                We’re ALL going to have to face the death of the lower-end of the job market soon. This is a dramatic issue and there is no obvious answer.

                But to address, what I think is your point here.. if they are better / cheaper than me at my job, then my employer should be free to give him my job.

                That’s how economics work.

                If I’m unemployable, then I should get to have a job because my government put a thumb on the scale.

                .. I’m not sure where you’re going with the rest of your post….

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                “Their kids future”? B’out the same, I guess, as the Central African Republic.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                Mathius…I will ask my nephew’s wives, from Croatia and Romania. The came when their communist governments fell and were allowed to leave. I’ll ask some questions about time and costs. They certainly know. The Croatian’s brother married a lady from Turkey who was a student here. They split their time between the US and Turkey. Two if my ex GF’s were immigrants. Ill refresh my memory with a few calls. I know the Italian lady’s brother only is a legal resident because he works for a Swiss company and has been posted all over the world in assignments. He just happens to work in Manhattan for now.

                You missed the article i posted about the Italians capturing and now putting on trial a human trafficker. There were 3 methods outside of the legal entry process into the EU. All methods cost money and time. The legal process, time, fees but upon entry you are free.
                Extra legal 1) you pay heavily up front somehow. These are poor migrants.
                2) there is someone on the other end that pays the traffickers fees.
                Either 1 or 2 you are illegal anywhere in Europe and if caught deported. Usually the player on the European end will pretty much enslave you.
                3) if no means to pay come up on either end, the migrant pays with their LIFE and is cannibalized for their organs. Shipped up through Egypt into the waiting hands of hospitals needing the organs for transplants

      • It’s not just “kindness.” It’s a question of denying a fundamental human right because we’d rather hoard the opportunity for ourselves. Bullshit to infinity and beyond.

        • “Freedom for me, but not for thee!,” eh, colonel?

          • So, which country can anyone just walk in and set up shop?

            • None that I know of.

              But just because everyone is doing something wrong doesn’t make it right.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                There was Mrs. Jones, proud as a peacock watching her son Johnny march in the parade with his army unit. Suddenly she realized something was wrong. “Look, Look,” she yelled while pointing at her son, “Everybody’s out of step EXCEPT Johnny”.

              • And old man got a call on his cell while driving home one day. Answering, he heard his wife’s voice urgently warning him, “Stephen, I just heard on the news that there’s a car going the wrong way on the freeway. Please be careful!”

                “Hell,” said Stephen, “It’s not just one car. It’s hundreds of them!”

              • Its called protecting ones territory, which is a true fundamental right of free people. People have NEVER been able to go where ever they wanted without the use of force. You should take some simple history classes because you are really confused about what a human right is

          • “Freedom for me, but not for thee!,” eh, colonel? Did not say that at all, my friend, nor did I imply it.

            What I implied is that it is NOT a fundamental right of others to go where they want….there are borders and they exist. Full stop, as you say.

            BUT……………………I am not a greater good person, or a Robin Hood, or an Obama. It is not right to take from one to give to another.

  23. Equine Weapon says:
  24. Just A Citizen says:

    Like I have said for years, what we have today is the result of what started long ago. The following is not the beginning but it is when it took deep root. Note the similarity to Mr. Obama’s rhetoric. Just practical solutions for problems created by evil hoarders of wealth.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/16/democrats-socialism-fdr-roosevelt-227622

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Re-read it! Like my Dad said about him and the Great Depression, “extraordinary problems call for extraordinary solutions”.

      The Kingfish, Huey Long was going to challenge him and had HE been elected I guess we would have been on the German Side in WW 2.

      Both Roosevelt’s saw that the massive money and power grab of the ultra rich was leading to something that would make the French Revolution look like a Sunday School picnic. They decided to head it off at the pass and curbed the power but did not destroy those who held it. We are facing the very same problems today. The Googles, the Amazons, the Microsofts KNOW what is good for YOU! No different from the Ford’s, Rockefeller’s, Vanderbilt’s before them just that they have 10 TIMES the power.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        The hoarders of wealth were NOT the problem it was what they were doing with that wealth.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Mike Vanderbilt towards the end of the 30’s was asked or interviewed why he was so reluctant to have been investing helping the nation recover. Pretty much implying he was hoarding.

          His answer was that the government was going off in so many directions you didn’t know what was coming next, or whether or not it’ll be stuck down by the SCOTUS. Ir ince started the administration will change its mind.

          The families with the money in many cases just played it safe.

          My family, though solidly in the working middle class or in food production NEVER were out of work during the depression. My father’s father though lost his job in banking but worked as a mason, then with the railroad from which he retired from in the 60’s

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            Mortgages were 5 years at that time. Usually paid off in 4, with any remaining due during the 5th year.

            I believe it was in the 50’s mortgages started getting linger to help stimulate the building industry and take advantage of all the new wealth and upwardly mobile GI Bill graduates starting to hit the workplace in 49.

      • the massive money and power grab of the ultra rich was leading to something that would make the French Revolution look like a Sunday School picnic

        It’s coming….

        And it ain’t gonna be pretty.

        • I am locked and loaded. I am not ultra rich…..and I am not a 1 percenter……but I am locked and loaded.

          • If half of what you’ve said is true, you’re absolutely a 1%-er.

            Not that there’s anything wrong with that.. it’s not you, but the 0.1% and up who have to be worried.

            • A minimum family income of $421,926, according to a new report from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI), which used the latest available data to analyze how the top 1 percent of earners, and the bottom 99 percent of earners, across the U.S. have fared between 1917 and 2015.

              In affluent metropolitan areas, however, the threshold is much higher. In New York City, for example, your household needs an annual income of $744,426 to be in the 1 percent of earners. In San Francisco, it’s $943,782.

              the average income of the top 1 percent nationwide is $1.32 million. In the Jackson metro area, it’s $16.2 million.

              ————————————–

              Nope…sorry……..it is based on income. I do not make the income to qualify as a 1%.

              A 1%’er is based on annual income as an individual. I keep my income below the $250k range to avoid higher taxes. So, I am not a 1%’er, sir.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Precisely! Which is why, like Teddy and FDR, DJT is right place, right time. But you cannot see that. The “ordinary” not super educated folks, have been getting screwed for the last 50 years. Unless something is done about leveling the playing field BOOM! is going to happen.

          While I realize the educational system sucks and is biased, there is NO question that the snowflakes have decided that they have little to no future and are jumping on board the AOC – Bernie bandwagon just the same as the peasants in 1917 Russia or the flat broke vets in 1920’s Germany. Socialism sounds real good when there are only “more of the same” alternatives.

    • I don’t know who she is, and it says there’s lot of video of the clashes, but the one I saw that they linked to showed different people.

      So it’s hard for me to know exactly how things escalated and yada yada yada…

      Generally, though, “Aguilar was sentenced to 20 days in jail,” sounds pretty light for a slap battery.

      Is the sentence enough to stop this kind of BS?

      No.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      NO!

      It becomes mob psychology. Each member pushes a little bit harder, a little bit further and before you know it, people are getting hurt then killed.

      I always wondered just how many lynchings would have occurred if you had one poor guy tied up and ONLY one guy standing there with a rope in his hand. I doubt any.

      • I always wondered just how many lynchings would have occurred if you had one poor guy tied up and ONLY one guy standing there with a rope in his hand. I doubt any.

        Some.

        But you’re right… far fewer.

  25. Canine Weapon says:

  26. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Just finished an interesting book for teens on Theodore Roosevelt which contained “conversations/letters” between Teddy and a twelve year old Polish boy working at the Anthracite mines in Eastern PA. Fascinating to me since my family started in those same mines. The book delves into Roosevelt and the 1902 coal strike with all its excesses on both sides.

    What was interesting as a refresher to my memory was how Roosevelt waded in and forced a settlement which gave everybody something but nobody everything.

    What is that old saying about politics? “You must be doing something right if nobody is happy”

    • What was interesting as a refresher to my memory was how Roosevelt waded in and forced a settlement which gave everybody something but nobody everything.

      I believe that’s called the Art of the Deal.

  27. Dale A Albrecht says:

    To the financial experts on SUFA….GE? A new Enron, WorldCom, Madoff financial scandal?

    I know through European subsidiaries they were playing fast and loose with Iranian trade blockades. They also do a lot with China.

    Maybe if China stomps in Hong Kong the EU will lighten up on their job killing regulations mainly affecting 18-29 year olds. Jobs come back where they should be.

    • Jury is still out for me…..I got rid of GE years back…..

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I was just reading about the Hudson River Superfund cleanup of GE’s dumping PCB’s for decades. U read that the cleanup/dredging was between 2009 and 2015 and that GE under the supervision of the EPA had to clean it up. That to me says GE had to pay for it. I was just wondering if GE was then allowed to write off the expense from
        their taxes.

        I got to hate GE for inventing the process improvement program called 6 sigma. I found it a waste of time, got better and faster quality improvements from tried and true processes developed over decades. The ultimate key was as always know the business.

  28. So, of course, as a sane human being, you agree with me that this has to have limits. We just disagree on those limits. Civil disobedience is a thing and it can be necessary from time to time.

    NOW, IT IS IN PRINT. MATHIUS AGREES THAT THE COLONEL IS A “SANE” HUMAN BEING. Mathius says that a Texan is sane

    If this were to get out in New York…….he would be “keelhauled” on an aircraft carrier….and that is serious.

    • I am sane…….sane, do you hear me? Sane….Sane…Sane………wooo hooo…I am sane….they are NOT coming to take me away, ha ha ho ho hee hee…to the funny farm where life is just a breeze……………..I am sane…>SANE………BWAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Boy, that’s funny, I just looked up that song day before yesterday.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          This song was pulled before it became # 1 because it was the very first “offensive” song! we thought it was a riot.

        • That is a HOOT…..thanks for posting this……I remember when this came out…….so, I am free and clear now……A New YOrker called me SANE.

          TO the Dread Pirate…………….So, ye scurvy knave…….wha’ do ye reckon o’ yer boss now? He declared a Texan sane……by th’ way, I was in Laguna Madre yesterday……nice artillery addition. How in th’ Davy Jones’ locker did ye manage a 120mm canon on aft.

      • Being called sane by someone who borderline is much. But I think your sane, so celebrate 😀

  29. Dateline: Persian Gulf

    It appears that, in the middle of the night, the same flag that flies over the Lesser and Greater Tunbs is flying high. IT seems that the Island of Abu Musa was “um…eerr” deserted and, after re-figuring the damages for President Mathius, this island now belongs to him. IT seems there was a miscalculation between the value of the Dinar and the MD (Mathius Dollar)…and it took more land to “repay”…….Mathiusville is growing.

    and there is still change due.

    • I fear you’ve interpreted my instructions as a green light to take over the whole region….

      • Your fears are unsubstantiated, Sir Mathius… their debt has been satisfied…so far. There are no plans for future expansion in that region.

        My staff has been given another problem area to work on…….

  30. Canine Weapon says:

  31. Dale A Albrecht says:

    https://www.doi.gov/pressreleases/what-they-are-saying-endangered-species-act-announcement

    JAC…you’re the most knowledgable of us about the administrations changes to the ESA. Yes I’ve seen good come out if it, but have also seen how it is abused by activist groups. I’ve also seen it discarded several times by the previous administration when it suited their agenda.

    All acts and laws need review and updating periodically. Just take the ACA. 2000 pages nobody read and it morphed into many thousands of more pages of none publicly disclosed policy.

    All I see online is how terrible it is the revisions being made. Trump gutting the endangered species act.

    What’s the truth? I’m sure it was an unmanageble nightmare used more as a political weapon than to do as it was intended

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Dale

      I have not read the actual regulatory changes. I promise I will do so and report back to SUFA.

      Yes, the ESA has been used as a bludgeon to gain controls that could not be gained via other Federal environmental laws. Namely, the halting of human use of federal lands. I can tell you that if the Federal Govt. had implemented the ACT FULLY per the interpretations handed down by the courts the ACT would have been repealed or revised long ago. Because the ACT per the courts gives the Fed the power to take control of major US cities and towns and other lands adjoining waterways containing listed species.

      In all fairness to the ACT itself. Like many of the environmental laws, the problem is not the law but how it has been enforced via the COURTS. This is where the 9th Circuit has done its greatest damage. The greenies also know that the Fed govt doesn’t have the funding to address the legal standards so while recovery plans are developed everything grinds to a halt. So the game is to use the courts to FORCE more listings.

      I can tell you that the one change, requiring economic impacts be included, is not “gutting the act”. In fact, the National Environmental Policy Act, called NEPA by those who deal with it, requires that economic impacts be considered for all major federal actions. “Listing” of species has been exempted from this requirement. Although the recovery plans usually address economics.

      What they are howling about is POSSIBLY losing the standard of “economics don’t matter” when it comes to agency and court reviews.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Dale

      I can report that all the howling about the new regulations regarding use of economic data in the listing and delisting are just scare tactics.

      But to give you a good idea of what my world used to look like I am providing the agencies summary of comments and conclusions regarding the changes to just ONE small section of the rules.

      It is very long and much is repetitive, because all comments have to be addressed and not all are exactly the same. I suggest you pour a drink and skim down through them. Three major issues in the first 80 pages. One is use of economic data in the listing decision. HINT: IT WILL NOT BE USED. ONLY PROVIDED FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION. The others are the use of foreseeable future and use of Recovery Plans as criteria for delisting.

      I provide this as it will give everyone an idea of the nature of the Greeie community and how it spends a lot of time word smithing. Because if they can keep the definitions foggy, it helps them in court or to bully bureaucrats into doing what they want.

      https://www.fws.gov/endangered/esa-library/pdf/listing-and-designating-critical-habitat.pdf

      The agency took an interesting position on the collection and release of economic information during listing decisions. Essentially, the law prevents us from using the data in deciding whether to list a species, but it does not preclude us from gathering the information and sharing it with the pubic. Especially since the public and congress has been asking for this information.

      Going to be real interesting where this goes, court wise and other wise. My prediction…when the Dems get control of the White House and the House you will see a budget bill with language prohibiting the Services from spending any money on economic analysis.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Dale

      Skimmed over the other proposed changes. Looks to me like Chicken Little screaming about the sky is on fire kind of response from Enviro groups and many in the Dem party.

      The changes seem reasonable and they to undo some of the overreach created during both the Clinton and Obama admins. Like using Endangered protection criteria on Threatened species “just because”. For those that do not know, the Act identifies two categories.

      Threatened species are just that. Threatened and if trends continue could become Endangered.

      Endangered: Headed towards extinction……Danger Will Robinson, Danger Will Robinson.

      Obviously, restrictions for species in imminent danger of disappearing should be tougher than those for species that “might” be headed that way, some day in the future. Apparently the Greenies don’t like that approach. Guess why!

      What I found interesting was that Fish and Wildlife Service adopted the National Marine Fisheries Service approach to treating the “Threatened” species with specific protection measure instead of the “blanket” approach the USFWS had previously used. This represents a serious change in attitude among USFWS upper mgt. Or it could be they got rolled and you can expect “whistleblower” complaints up the Kazoo for a while to come.

      Following is the agency link to the press release. At the bottom are three pdf files that describe the proposed changes along with pubic comments and the agency response.

      https://www.fws.gov/endangered/improving_ESA/regulation-revisions.html

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Thank you.

        I want to respond to a California friend who has gone off the rails on the “press” releases decrying how evil the administration is by GUTTING the ESA

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Dale……..SUFA

      Now here is the standard Greenie outcry about the sky falling.

      Please note how they distort the actual changes. They deliberately confuse the difference between decisions regarding Listing/Status, designation of Critical Habitat and those involving Recovery Plans.

      They want you to think that the area being considered under recovery is the same as Critical habitat. That is because they were able to hoodwink a few judges on the this point. “Critical Habitat” has strong statutory controls/restrictions and makes life hell for anyone trying to do anything within it. Thus they tried to get the ENTIRE COLUMBIA RIVER SYSTEM listed as Critical Habitat for Salmon and Bull Trout. Because anything affecting said habitat, read as all upstream activities, would come under Federal control They did not succeed but you get the idea of the goal.

      So keep that in mind as you read their comments about occupied vs. non occupied habitat in designating “Critical Habitat”. Critical Habitat by the way is supposed to be that habitat for “Endangered” species which is critical to the continued existence. Again ….Danger Will Robinson…..DANGER.

      https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/kz4q9z/the-trump-administration-just-gutted-the-endangered-species-act

  32. The global warmers should be happy with Trump’s offer to buy Greenland. After all more northern latitudes will be valuable farm land as the planet warms.

    • Nah…….Texas needs the ice for its martinis…

      • WHAT KIND OF HEATHEN WATERS DOWN THEIR MARTINIS?!

        • Texas heathens…..sir…….I should have said Lone Star Beer. The Austin liberals drink martinis….out of shot glasses with chips of ice.

          Now, I do not drink beer…..even Lone Star….and I do not partake in any alcohol……not a prude, just do not like it anymore….although, in my day, I have been known to put away a fair slug of Marguerita’s…..and, if the party was right, ate the worm….but those days are now gone and not missed. I am really boring….I do not smoke, drink, or do drugs (never did do drugs, not even a single puff of weed), and I never smoked anything……. I grew up in LSD days….never touched the stuff.

          So, I guess we still need the ice chips for the liberals in Austin.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Make an offer they can’t refuse😁

      Granted Denmark and the autonomous territory said not for sale.

      But if it ever came to be that real estate transaction would rank right up there with the Louisuana Purchse and Seward’s Folly

  33. Dale A Albrecht says:

  34. Just A Citizen says:
  35. SILVER SPRING, MD—Local parents Bill and Cindy Kaufmann completed an annual tradition Friday when they posted a photo of their 28-year-old son Justin moving back into their basement.

    After finishing his summer job as a volunteer counselor at Camp Wishakawa, Justin returned to his parents’ home to move back in and resume his part-time job as a barista. His basement room was prepared by his mother Cindy, who insists on the picture every year when Justin returns.
    “He’s getting so big, don’t you love his outfit?” Cindy asked Bill, while Justin posed at the top of the stairs, holding a small chalkboard with the number “28” and his name scrawled on it.
    “Some of our friends’ kids write down what they want to be when they grow up,” Bill told sources. “Since Justin still isn’t sure, we just ask him to write his age and a few of his interests.”
    “I don’t know where the time went. Just another short decade, and he’ll be gone,” Bill wistfully added.

    • I support peaceful protests. However, the Right to protest end when the protestors interfere with others Rights, like the Right for the person in the Truck to travel freely and engage in commerce. The pepper spray part was the best part, all the whining and stuff 🙂

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Serious question.

        Can you name a single “peaceful protest” movement that ever affected real change in the USA. Warning: You cannot use MLK because his movement was backed by the rioting and more virulent actions going on with others. Thus creating the appearance that there was a peaceful way out of the mess……….. The Civil Rights Act. MLK was not party to the militancy. But in my opinion, it gave his efforts far more power. There was also the reality that much of the country really was growing tired of the RACISM against Black Folks.

        The problem with USA demonstrations is that they are informed by all prior demonstrations, going back to the labor disputes of the late 1800’s. Mostly there was violence involved. Hell, go back to the Whiskey Rebellion.

  36. (2nd attempt)

  37. Hmm… this doesn’t seem to be working..

    https://imgur.com/a/Sd7ibbF

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    SUL and I, over coffee on the deck this AM, talked about how if this was the 60’s or 70’s there would be a great conspiracy movie made about how all the power structure in D.C. is corrupt. How the elite diligently work to undermine the will of the people by undermining elected officials. But also how many of those elected become part of the Cabal.

    It is just getting to sick. How much longer and how much deeper will it go before We the People strike back?

    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/17/hillary-clinton-email-saga-just-got-lot-weirder/

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Along the lines of just how far those in power will go to keep their power. This group hijacked a town hall meeting last week with our Senator. It became so obnoxious and rude that the meeting was stopped. Per Sen. Crapo’s staff, they came close to calling in the Sheriff due to the threats and tone of the meeting.

    Note how they try to connect the Tea Party. You see it is the Tea Party’s fault. They started all this.

    Indivisible movement
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Indivisible members at a Tax Day March in San Francisco
    Indivisible is a progressive movement in United States politics, initiated in 2016 as a reaction to the election of Donald Trump as President of the United States. The movement began with the online publication of a handbook written by Congressional staffers with suggestions for peacefully but effectively resisting the move to the right in the executive branch of the United States government under the Trump administration that was widely anticipated and feared by progressives.[1] The goal of Indivisible, according to Peter Dreier, is to “save American democracy” and “resume the project of creating a humane America that is more like social democracy than corporate plutocracy.”[2]

    Origin
    The movement started with the online publication of a 23-page handbook, Indivisible: A Practical Guide for Resisting the Trump Agenda.[3] The authors of the document, most notably Ezra Levin, Jeremy Haile, Leah Greenberg, and Angel Padilla,[3][4] were former Congressional staffers. Greenberg worked as an aide to Democratic Representative Tom Perriello of Virginia,[5] while Levin, Greenberg’s husband, worked as an aide to Lloyd Doggett, a Democratic Party member of the United States House of Representatives from Texas. After the 2016 presidential election, in mid-December 2016, Levin and Greenberg began working on an online guide in the form of a Google Document on how to make contact with congressional aides as a way of grieving over Trump’s victory. Angel Padilla, and Jeremy Haile, and dozens of other staffers for Democratic members of the United States Congress joined in the creation of the online publication.[5][6]

    The authors modeled their document after the Tea Party movement, which focused on local activism and obstructing the Democratic Party’s agenda following the election of President Barack Obama in 2008.[7] They thought that similar action taken by the left could be effective against what they perceived as Trump’s “bigoted and anti-democratic agenda.”[8] The purpose of the guide was to encourage resistance to Trump’s presidency, most notably by targeting Republican elected members of Congress by attending town halls, calling congressional officials, visiting their offices, and showing up at public events.[9]

    It was first published online on Google Docs on December 14, 2016, with Levin posting a link to it on his personal Twitter account. It soon went viral,[7] with, among others, Robert Reich, Jonathan Chait, George Takei and Miranda July circulating it online.[10]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indivisible_movement

    Note how all the talking heads that are pushed on you in the media each day are connected. Oh, that includes Rachel Maddow.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius

    Remember when you said that the Democrats did not think of all us deplorables as racist hacks. How this is all blown up because the right wing media just blows up a few individual crazy folks to make it look big.

    Well, I draw your attention to the introduction of this PROGRESSIVE strategy, developed by DEMOCRATS who actually worked in the halls of Congress and who participate in forming public opinion on behalf of their cause.

    Their view of the Tea Party: “We saw them organize locally and convince their own MoCs to reject President Obama’s agenda. Their ideas were wrong, cruel, and tinged with racism— and they won.”

    https://indivisible.org/guide

    • Just A Citizen says:

      The real irony in all this is that the Dems spent years trying to denigrate the Tea Party by claiming it was astroturf. Created by the Kochs to be precise. No matter the loads of evidence about its grass roots nature.

      Yet here we have a movement invented, designed and implemented by people at the TOP. People who occupy the seats of power within the Democratic Party.

      • This is the first I have heard of this group. Not very successful. The Tea Party was open and in the press right from the beginning.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      In case you want to join, here is the home page. Note the inflammatory rhetoric about “concentration camps” that hits you right in the face when it opens.

      https://indivisible.org/

      Now, do you think they just borrowed AOC’s rhetoric or did they spoon feed that to AOC?

  41. Just A Citizen says:

    My prediction on the sad state of affairs of power hungry jack snipes.

    One day in the near future, we will see the Black population suddenly start voting Republican. What will be the catalyst for this dramatic change?

    The Hispanic population will have reached a point where the Democratic Party will no longer pretend to care about the Black community. It will become obvious. The new MINORITY Party consisting of a coalition of Whites and Blacks will be forged. It may be called the Republican party or something else.

  42. Just A Citizen says:
  43. Just A Citizen says:

    More proof that those elected to represent us are NOT the intellectual superiors they would like us to believe they are. Dumb and dumber. They just keep getting dumber and dumber.

    Rep. Cedric Richmond (D-La.) on Friday evening expressed frustration with Congress’s inability thus far to pass gun control legislation following a number of mass shootings, arguing the public should put pressure on hesitant Republicans.

    “I believe that the will of the American people can overpower obstruction in the Senate by the Senate majority leader in terms of bringing bills to the floor to a vote,” Richmond said on CNN. “We have cities that are banning plastic straws, and we can’t ban assault weapons? That just doesn’t make sense to me.”

    Dear Rep Richmond: I am sure it doesn’t make sense to you. Because first you would have to have some sense. Of any kind would do. Sincerely, Never Yours; JAC

  44. Just A Citizen says:

    Note: 40% of the new Congressional Democrats are aligned with this Progressive group and/or agenda.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/the-untold-story-of-the-progressive-insurgency-that-is-remaking-congress/

  45. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Good News! The guy that left the fake pressure cooker bombs in the Subway in New York City last Friday and snarled the commute for hundreds of thousands has been arrested. A homeless ex-con from W. Virginia, his rap sheet includes him sending video of his sexual assault on a chicken (no joke) to an underage girl.

    And they say we are NOT at the end of times!

  46. A little Texas history….On this day in 1824, the Mexican Congress passed a national colonization Law. This Law reserved the right to stop immigration from specific countries. Six years later, the Mexican Government invoked this law to forbid the settlement of Texas with immigrants from the United States. Shortly afterward, the Texas revolution started.

    So, history shows that Mexico was the first to forbid immigration from the United States.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      In a conversation with a fellow vet last evening before church, we decided that the Texas Department of Public Safety should offer to take the lead in investigating the Epstein hanging. Governor Abbot ought to publicly make the offer and the reasoning behind it. A truly independent review!

      Trust Comey’s FBI? Never!

      Epstein-Clinton-Comey-Clinton

  47. Ok, I can’t wait to see what comes of this…….yesterday, Texas Governor Greg Abbott, in an interview with CNN made the following statement when asked a question about our death penalty……

    “In Texas, we have the death penalty, and we use it. That’s right. If you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. ”

    It was said that the interviewer had nothing further to say,,,,,she was in shock that we would admit such a thing right out front. She just shool her head and did the “cut” sign and ended the interview.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Those people. That is about all I can say about that. Good grief, those people.

      • I’ve come to the conclusion, that they have decided, that the best way to get rid of capitalism is to destroy western civilization and any ideas and ideals that come with it.

  48. JAC…..the more I watch these news reporters……..and these “so called” economics experts on the cable channels and the local channels….I am convinced that they do not know shit from shinola.

    All I heard from these business channels…MSNBC, CNN, Forbes, and even Fox news, all are worried about a recession….Trump policies are not working….recession on the way………………….and not a single one of them know anything about economics. How in the hell do they get jobs? Obviously they can’t sweep streets without breaking the broom so they become analyzers and spout shit they do not know……and scare people.

    I am not a pundit but at least I know how to spell economics and I understand the fallacies of algorhytyms and triggers. The most stupid, asinine, thing the investment world has done is invent algos…….it is the most imaginative scheme…..yes, scheme…..ever devised to manipulate data.

    I love the way that the pundits are all saying……the bubble. will burst….and it will be ugly and everyone is going to die…..the sky is falling, the sky is falling. Even the most inept first grader knows that there will be a correction…..hell, even a child in the mother’s womb knows this.,,the question is prediction.

    I wonder if the average person even knows what to watch on the markets or if they rely on tv to tell them. I wonder if people know how to use simple math and read charts…..and how to see through the things like this over blown “inverted yield curve”…..which straightened right out the next two days…..people started selling so I started buying….this is where the Fed screws things up. But, no one knows what a yield curve is, much less what an inverted yield curve is…..AND how it affects algorhytyms and triggers.

    I have long warned to watch Europe and watch shipping trends….these are the best indicators of what is going to happen. Even if Europe takes a tumble, our economy is still in a position of strength and the effect on us will be minimal….as long as we stay out of the ECM and away from the word banking system which is upside down. If you look at their balance sheet, they would never get away with it here.

    Anyway…enough of my spouting off……have some work to do. Fools and their money are soon parted…..it would be wise for the layman to start familiarizing themselves with what affects money and their 401s and quit trusting other people. And for GODS sake…quit relying on the news. Outta here.

  49. Can someone give me an argument against facial recognition use?

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Invasion of privacy!

      It is I think, an intrusion into your life. Funny thing is if the country/world were suddenly to become a dictatorship tomorrow, Regardless of what you or I now think, it could be implemented in minutes.

      Heinlein in “Revolt in 2100”, a religious dictatorship in America run by diciples of Neimiah Scudder, hence “Scudderites” first posited it’s use back in the 1940’s. It was used to great effect to track down the wanted heretics. The “underground” actually had the very same system (hacked in) which allowed them to match their revolutionaries with people who they almost looked like then with a little face putty or some inserts, they could “pass” and travel with fake documents. A great, fast read! A good “how to” on revolution in the computer age written damn near 50 years before the computer age.

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