A Worse Virus, Socialism

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  1. 3.28 million jobless claims in one week, just reported. WOW.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      What does anyone expect. A friend in LA who works in a law office told me the partners layed off 9 paralegals WITHOUT pay.

      Can’t have the partners dipping into their accounts and change their lifestyle. It’s a Beverly Hills office. Put the burden on the government.

      This classmate is my age. Desperately trying to sell her condo and get the hell out of LA. She says that she’d have to work 4 more years before in a pinch retiring

  2. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Here is a good idea from Italy that should be passed on to your local store.

    In the produce section and at farmers markets only store employees touch the fruit and vegetables and put them in the bag. People touch touch touch the produce in all probability spreading the virus.

  3. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Can anyone imagine what the spending bill will look like after the House gets through with it. Regardless of what Pelosi said last night.

  4. WASHINGTON, D.C.—Earlier today, lawmakers had announced they had reached an agreement on a stimulus package, totalling approximately $88 bajillion dollars. (Many expressed concern that we would have to pay this back at some point, but congresspeople assured their constituents that it’s just their kids and grandkids who will have to pay for our reckless spending.)

    But in a last-minute delay, Pelosi announced that she is out of souvenir pens to sign the bill and send it over to the president. “This is a somber emergency, of course, but it’s important that I have a bunch of souvenirs to hand out to supporters, so I can remind everyone that I saved the economy.”
    “Once my souvenir pens come in, I’ll sign our version so we can make this thing law,” Pelosi said. “They’re on backorder for the next 6-8 weeks, so just hang in there, America.”
    At publishing time, sources had confirmed the pens are coming from China, further delaying the passing of the stimulus bill.

  5. We all know how painful it is for Congress to spend money. Please have compassion for these souls in this trying time.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Yes, I agree. It must be painful to spend other people’s money to study gold fish farts.

  6. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Update in my area:

    NO new confirmed cases of the virus. That leaves the count still at three.

    My normal shopping day. The store with some exceptions is fully stocked. The big long meat area was full of everything. Beef of all cut, pork all cuts, chicken. Turkey, hams ribs, duck, goose etc all full. The butchers were cutting and wrapping as fast as they could. They’ve deliberately have kept the case where you have to have direct service empty. They’re busy.

    Produce, breads, eggs normal.

    Obviously due to JAC’s explanation on TP and Paper towel they’ve received NO shipments.

    Price of gas if I had to buy would have been $1.34.

    Store is so staffed there are no lines. They’ve put up plexiglass shields to protect the workers at all counters.

    People are religiously maintaining social distancing but are also still being friendly. But that’s my area….can’t vouch for Walmart

    • Just got home from Walmart. I never shop there, except for their Vision Center. Just my luck, a lense popped out of my glasses late last night. Got their at 9am sharp. Figures! Hours were cut because of the virus. Didn’t open til 10am. So I looked around for a while. Meat counters were pretty well stocked. No burger…BUT…there were PRIME, not CHOICE…PRIME meats in the case. $8.99/lb for TBones…not bad for PRIME. Bakery, produce, and dairy were also well stocked. No TP! I’ve been stressin for liquid hand soap, can’t find it anywhere. I’m already freaking about having to put a bar of soap at my kitchen sink. Yuk!

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        We ALL have to make sacrifices. I have advised the folk who have been unable to score TP but need it to do what the Romans did, use a sponge….Unfortunately there are no barbarian slaves left to wash them out!

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Anita my dear. In case you missed it I left you a little tune on yesterdays thread. And a Thank You for keeping America working.

        • I did catch it JAC, then a new page happened so I didn’t comment on it, but thanks for the shout out and I’ll keep slaving for my country, laughing all the way to the bank.

          Got sidetracked with company last night,… I know…bad!!! But I scored a good barter out of the deal. Several large gauze bandages and a few bandaids to act as tape…for 3 N95 masks and some disposable gloves. I’ll take that barter all day, in these crazy times.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    I was telling SUL last night that I saw this starting a few days back. Then almost immediately there were stories in the usual media outlets (CNN, MSNBC) pushing forward the idea that the Governor is “The leader we need during these trying times”.

    Well a note to the Governor: Those who forfeit Liberty for the illusion of gaining safety wind up with neither.

    Note to America: It is easy for a Governor to shut down everything for the sake of “saving a single person” because they know that the FEDERAL Govt will have to step in and bail everyone out when it is over.

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo speaks to the media while visiting the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Manhattan, which will be partially converted into a hospital for patients affected by coronavirus, March 23, 2020. (Mike Segar/Reuters)
    It’s not out of the question if Biden keeps looking out of touch and irrelevant.
    Democrats are publicly talking about “contingency options” for their July convention in Milwaukee in case the coronavirus persists in being a public-health threat. But privately, some are also talking about needing a Plan B if Joe Biden, their nominee apparent, continues to flounder.

    Some Democrats are openly talking up New York governor Andrew Cuomo, whose profile has soared during the crisis, as a Biden stand-in. Yesterday, a Draft Cuomo 2020 account on Twitter announced that “Times have changed & we need Gov. Cuomo to be the nominee. Our next POTUS must be one w/an ability to lead thru this crisis.”

    Charles Pierce, the politics blogger for Esquire magazine, wrote a piece headlined “With Two Words, Andrew Cuomo Established Himself as the Leader This Country Needs Now.” He enthused that Cuomo’s news conference last Friday “essentially (shutting) down the economy of his state . . . was a master class in leveling with the public.”

    Fueled by favorable national publicity that governors rarely get, Cuomo has quickly become the standard-bearer for liberals who don’t want to quickly open up parts the economy at the same time we combat the coronavirus. This Tuesday, the governor tweeted: “We are not willing to sacrifice 1-2% of New Yorkers. That’s not who we are. We will fight to save every life we can. I am not giving up.” Last weekend, Cuomo told reporters he might go into Manhattan himself to yell “You are wrong” at people defying his lockdown.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Let Mathius keep him….

      • He is both better and worse than Biden or Sanders. He is not geriatric like them or a rabid socialist, but is a gun grabber, baby killer, and closet socialist. He would be a far stronger candidate against Trump than the other two so is a big danger to the country. A Cuomo presidency would mean a return to the deep state, increased regulations, and liberal activist judges.

        I don’t understand why Biden’s family and handlers do not pull him out of the race. He is mentally unfit for office. If in a long shot he wins the nomination and the general, then his VP pick will be the president within 6 months.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          I would caution those getting too enamored of his calming presentations. There ARE things worse than Coronavirus….one of them is Cuomovirus.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          The Demicrats want to insure Sanders is knocked out of the primary and convention. Once Biden is nominated then Cuomo will come to the rescue

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        People have conveniently forgotten his dismissal of the “Moreland Commission” a few years back. A NY State effort he shut down which was getting a bit too close to the governor’s mansion. Glad to see he was put in his place, gently, by Trump who reminded us he HAD the opportunity to get ventilators a few years back but passed. This si also the guy who permanently shut down fracking across all of NY State and forced the closing of our only Nuke plant, Indian Point. In addition his Daddy shut down the second power plant on Long Island Shoreham, as it was undergoing trials and NY State taxpayers had to reimburse the utility which went under anyway. .

        If you look in his eyes, there is a reason I refer to him as “Damien….Omen VIII”

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Cuomo would be just as bad as any of the other Democratic contenders, if not worse.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Seeing Cuomo is naming things after his family like the replacement Tappen Zee Bridge after dear old pop. When do you think he’ll start renaming the Rockefeller centers un NY and Albany?

  8. Just A Citizen says:
  9. Just A Citizen says:

    We now have 9 cases of Covid in my county, all of which were tested here in town. Remember Idaho only a week or so back had 0 cases. Now about 150. The majority are still in Blaine and Ada counties. Ada is Boise for those who don’t know.

    Smaller counties are starting to pick up 1 or 2 cases.

    The Gov. issued a mandatory lock down then issued exemptions critical to keeping things going. Virtually everything is exempted except restaurants, gyms and schools.

    • No takers on this one?

      • Because it sounds like fake news.

        • Interesting.

          It sounds like fake news… because……..?

          You find it non-credible that the FBI would arrest a far-right radical for trying to blow up a hospital?

          I do wonder, if this article were virtually identical, but just flipped the ideology to the left, would you still consider it fake news?

    • Sounds like a far Left Wingnut to me. Racist: check, Anti-religion: check, Anti-government (hates Trump): check. You sure are an assuming fella 😀

      • Curious how you got from “anti-government” to “hates Trump”?

        Or, in your mind, is Trump synonymous with the government, in an “I am the senate” kind of way?

        Anti-religion: check

        Odd.. I think it specifically said a Mosque… so not “religion” but “A religion”… specifically that one religion the right has been prattling on about for decades.

        • Better read a bit better, “racial and religious hatred” “Synagogue” as a target?

          Yes, to the Left, Trump is the government.

  10. Canine Weapon says:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      That might have been funny if the left wasn’t off the rails. This is so typical of the crap going on. Deliberately characterizing someone’s comments falsely just to ridicule them.

      Now that my sensitivity has been exposed………………. LOL

  11. Canine Weapon says:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Well Billy, because our other choice was the spawn of Satan, himself. So until the righteous step into the breach we will just have to get by treading water.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        God, chose both Solomon and David to rule his land and his people. Donald Trump IS a saint compared to either.

  12. Canine Weapon says:

  13. Just A Citizen says:

    Alabama Gov. orders Marshall Law, uses National Guard to enforce:

    https://www.redstate.com/darth641/2020/03/26/this-has-gone-too-far/

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    Boring but informative. It includes some information that seems to escape the normal media reports. Namely where were these people and are the cases linked. Turns out that in the beginning you can see the US infections are all linked to travelers abroad. You will also see how those returning were actually quarantined at military bases. Don’t recall seeing that in our news.

    Europes infection has been tracked back to rich folks partying at a ski town in Austria, or was it Switzerland? Detail doesn’t matter for this. Looks like ours is linked to travelers returning from Wuhan and some from Italy or other infected places.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_the_United_States

    So the open question to the brains of SUFA is what should we do in the future? What have we learned and how could we reduce the threat without destroying our economy and completely overriding the protections of Liberty?

    • It all comes down to what Trump has been preaching all along. Border security is national security. Every person entering should be screened somehow…I can’t come up how that would be set in action, but something has to happen on an individual basis. Ellis Island comes to mind, and the procedure the Colonel explained about how people were admitted back in the day.

      • very person entering should be screened somehow

        This is absolutely absurd.

        A) Viruses do not give a single shit about any border. Legal travel can/will/did transmit this just fine, regardless of any considerations related to illegal travel.

        B) It is not detectable via anything short of a lab test at the early stages. Even then, in the very early stages, it (probably) isn’t detectable even then. Lab tests take hours to turn around – and that’s assuming no backlogs or delays. This easily runs into days or longer with any significant volume.

        C) Even lab tests aren’t full proof. The target is 80%. If even ONE person gets through, it’s in. If you miss ~20% of cases, you really aren’t going to stop anything. (yea, yea, I know Bayes’ theorem and false results.. I’m simplifying).

        D) The virus is already here. It is everywhere. Closing the border at this point is 100% pointless – you’re trying to stop people from bringing in something that’s already here. So you couldn’t have stopped it then. Maybe – maybe slowed it down a bit by a week or two – but you sure as hell will do absolutely ZERO today.

        E) There aren’t even enough tests to test the people who are sick or who came into contact with sick people. Where are you getting the millions of extra tests (plus the reagents and lab techs) to perform this scale of testing? And who is paying for all this?

        Ellis Island comes to mind, and the procedure the Colonel explained about how people were admitted back in the day.

        Ellis Island can come to mind all it wants. This kind of disease would waltz straight through Ellis Island without missing a beat.

        They were looking for people who were visibly sick and turning them back. Ok, fine, sure, that’s good, I guess. If you’re hacking up a lung, we can suppose that you’re sick and infectious and say no entry. But for the people who are asymptomatic / pre-symptomatic, there ain’t squat that Ellis Island could have done.

        The only way to do this is to throw everyone who attempts to cross the border into a three-week quarantine. (the incubation period fluctuates person-to-person, so you need longer to be sure). And that’s ALL travel. Citizen, visitor, everyone, from everywhere. If you have a leak anywhere, if only one infected person gets through, the disease comes with it.

        One turns to 3 turns to 9 turns to 27 to 81 to 243.. . All before the first patient is even necessarily symptomatic, let alone identified and quarantined, let alone before the CDC is able to track back the people he had contact with to test them – assuming tests are available and reliable and and and and and and and

        ———-

        All this is to say this: you cannot stop an infection like this with a border. It cannot be done. The only thing you can do is slow it down with social distancing (until a vaccine can be developed) so that the hospitals can cope. Any effort to close a border as a response or a preventative measure is ideological, not practical.

        ————-

        Never let a good crisis go to waste.

        Right?

        That’s the constant lament in these parts?

        Well, that’s what Red Team is doing.

        There are perfectly good reasons to shut the border. I might not agree, on balance, but there are valid reasons for it.

        THIS is not one of them.

        THIS is an excuse.

        Trump, et al, want to “secure the border,” and have for years. And it doesn’t matter that a “secure” border wouldn’t have done jack shit to stop the spread of this virus, nor that shutting it down now would do literally nothing, nor that there’s no evidence to support the idea that this virus is being brought in from illegal border crossing. What matters is that people are scared and panicking and that he can use this crisis to do what he wanted to do all along.

        Never let a good crisis go to waste.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Again you argue against everything you have argued before regarding Herd Immunity.

          My question was what do we do NEXT TIME. Because some day there will be a “bug” much worse than this one. Apparently your view is sit back and let it happen.

          • Again you argue against everything you have argued before regarding Herd Immunity.

            WHAT?

            How so?

            Seriously? How?

            If you could use a border to stop the people from getting here.. effectively.. then, yes, ok, fine. But you can’t – it doesn’t work. So… ?

            My question was what do we do NEXT TIME. Because someday there will be a “bug” much worse than this one.

            There will, absolutely, be a worse one than this.

            In many ways, this is a lucky one.

            Some diseases are very deadly, some spread very easily, some do both (eg Black Plague).

            This isn’t that deadly – the danger mostly comes from overwhelming the system and to the elderly / compromised.

            Apparently your view is sit back and let it happen.

            Well, there are a number of things we can do.

            Firstly, all the handwashing is great. Better hygiene is great. Replacing handshakes with non-contact greetings are great. Standing a greater distance from each other is great. These are cultural shifts which I suspect will take root following this pandemic and will be beneficial universally.

            Secondly, we need paid sick leave for everyone. This isn’t just a socialist utopian idea. But if I can’t take off because I can’t afford to do, I just won’t take off. And then I will infect everyone I work with. Letting the sick stay home is MONUMENTALLY beneficial.

            Secondly, part deux, if a disease can spread while you’re very sick, it has no incentive to not make you very sick. If you stay home when you’re very sick, then strains which cause that level of sickness cannot spread. This induces an evolutionary pressure toward mildness.

            Third, increased work from home. Just… it’s awesome. I saw a picture of the 405 freeway and it was nearly empty.. during rush hour.. AMAZING. So, not just from a resource perspective but, you know, you cant infect your coworkers (or be infected by them) if you aren’t around each other.

            Fourth, reduce overused / over prescription of antibiotics. This one happens to be a virus, but, historically, bacteria are the real nasties. And I don’t want to be out of ammo when the next bacterial plague hits.

            Fifth, there are some emerging technologies that could do some cool things. IR cameras which flag fevers, for example. But who knows about that.

            Sixth, we’ve already mostly done it here, but for the developing world, fixing their vector-borne vulnerabilities. EG waste sanitation and mosquito-proofing.

            Seventh, VACCINATE.

            That’s off the top of my head – I’m sure there are more. But closing borders isn’t going to do it.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              You claim that stopping people from coming into the country (area) will not affect the disease spread.

              This virus came here ON/IN People who were not here. Unless the disease is airborne or uses Birds as a host it can be stopped at the borders. That is indisputable FACT.

              The variable is the economic impact, logistics, etc and will of the people to do such a thing.

              You have posted here several times this is all futile. Well that is contrary to the theories behind vaccination, which are actually the same theory. Vaccination is a form of isolation.

        • I’m absolutely positive that the push to “secure the border” that has been pushed for years was about ILLEGALS, not about a total closure or against immigration. Once again, a Liberal taking things totally out of context. As far as closing due to the virus, no, it won’t stop the virus. It will however keep our hospital beds open for our own people, which is already pushing their limits in some areas. We Conservatives call this “common sense”.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      If you have been waiting for a pandemic for years because all the stuff you read 50 years ago about 1918 all said not if but when, you would know that as time has passed it is less and less possible to control such things. Perhaps in 1968, we could have confined it to Maoist China but not after the great opening. Not after we adopted this internationalism. The only reason Ebola never took off is because we still do not have open borders with most of equatorial Africa nor reasons to do so.

      On a smaller scale, there are now big problems in the far reaches of Long Island because the rich, who have second homes out there deserted NYC in droves for the Hamptons, bringing the disease with them.

      In answer to your question I fear there is NO way to contain this. I suspect Idaho, Montana and Wyoming all have the same problem as Long Island..

      For beauracatic, political reasons the Chinese hid the virus and its extent from everyone else. Anywhere where the same mindset prevails could be ground zero for the next outbreak.

      • BULLSEYE!

        SKT is right on point with absolutely everything here, except the comments on Ebola.

        The problem with Ebola is that it spreads by contact with bodily fluids and has a very short incubation period, which makes it extremely easy to isolate and contain. It burns hot and fast, but it’s not much of a “spreader,” per se. Not where there’s decent sanitation, anyway. There’s a reason it’s often referred to as a “caregiver disease” – which is to say the people you’re most likely to infect are the ones taking care of you and coming into contact with your fluids… something developed hospitals would handle well, but which “shithole countries” don’t.

        But Corona is almost the polar opposite – it’s not intrinsically very deadly. But damn does it spread well. The ~2-week asymptomatic period virtually guarantees you’ll give it to others before you even know you have it. Kind of like its cousin, the common flu, which infects half the planet every single year.

        For beauracatic, political reasons the Chinese hid the virus and its extent from everyone else.

        Oh, and they absolutely still are.

        I call absolute bullshit on any claims that they’ve got it contained or that we’ve surpassed their numbers. Bull. Shit.

        They’ll hide it for as long as they can, but at some point, even the all-powerful Chinese State won’t be able to cover up the deaths.

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Give people the authority to use force and they will use force. Reason be damned, cause it is my job and the Govt. told me to do it.

    https://www.the-sun.com/news/591807/spanish-cops-forced-to-break-up-orgy-during-coronavirus-lockdown/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mathius

      You want to work with me to solve this? A simple Excell spreadsheet should do the trick. Transferable across States and agencies.

  16. Dale A Albrecht says:

    It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly stupid people are. Mardi Gras just ended on the 9th of March. A two mass week party. It’s not like the virus was unknown and hitting the nation. Already killing untold thousands . Then disperse nation wide. Just like Spring Break attended by allegedly smart and educated people.

  17. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Obama and Hillary and others used the excuse to invade countries was to save lives.

    Could the indictment of the Venezuelan dictator fir the trafficking of drugs, cocaine from Colombia be the pretext to save not only Venezuelan lives from Mudaro but Americans from cocaine and the deaths it causes and those involved in the trade. Also choking the cartels in Mexico causing so much death and destruction

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Not just kinda interesting. It was very interesting.

      It highlights what I was observing as odd buying. The panic the other week caused obvious gaps on the shelves. But now the gaps are explained not by odd buying but prioritization.

      There were no gaps at all in canned vegetables and fruits. Even originally the dried beans which to me would be an item to have on hand in an emergency stayed full for the most part until this week. Probably people were buying at a normal rate, but due to shifting who gets it 1st those shelves are empty. Just buy canned.
      Dried pasta was full for several weeks except the cheapest store brand. Now those shelves are mostly bare…especially the brands manufactured in Italy. Bread originally took a hit except the artisan and more exotic types. They stayed full. The shelves to make bread ingredients was overflowing. As of yesterday that is inverted. Rice has stayed low, but I’ve got enough on hand of different grain types to last into summer. Meats of all types are available after the initial panic. Eggs, the favorite ones are still the 1st to go as normal. The more exotic EXPENSIVE products free range organic brown smaller which always hung around still do. Other dairy products all back full after the initial hit.

      So far this has been interesting not only from a human behavior perspective, but a growing, buying, prioritization manufacturing, and distribution prioritization, in our food system

      Kudos to all those involved.

    • Interesting but they got one thing wrong. The canning of vegetables is done immediately after picking because they must be canned fresh. Tis the wrong time of year for that.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        And all Wheat is not the same and thus not transferable to any product. The Silos on the west coast, filled with wheat, are owned by CHINA. They paid for it and it awaits shipping.

  18. thelonestarconnection says:

    It is important to note that the money we are giving out to Airlines and hospitals and doctors and all the people and industries and such…..is NOT a bailout. Nope. You cannot say bailout because it is not. throw money at the situation….give more money…more and more and more……BUT…do not call it a bailout?

    A rose by any other name is still a rose.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Colonel

      Roasted Steelhead and salad last night with fresh Asparagus from “Mexico”. Some of yours??

    • I’m just sitting here trying to figure out how I can get a piece of that 500 billion dollars…

      • Just A Citizen says:

        The Govt constraints has caused a complete halt in my farming operations this. year. I am losing MILLIONS I tell you…………MILLIONS.

        You will love this. Agencies are telling their people to get ready for the next stimulus. Agencies that have nothing to do with the Virus, food chain or medical supplies. They are hearing there will be spending bills with all kinds of “make work” stuff attached.

        I am sick to my stomach and it is NOT THE FLU.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          Yes, it is ridiculous…….absolutely. But, like I heard Nancy Pelosi say concerning this past bill..and she was laughing when she said it………it was pertaining to the non health related pork added to the bill……” Sometimes you have to take the bad with the good.”…….

        • ’08 was bad, don’t get me wrong… but this… this is going to make ’08 look like a walk in the park. This is going to be 1929 levels of bad.

          No stimulus package – 2T or otherwise – is going to even touch this. We’re not climbing out of this depress for a least a decade.

          The Govt constraints has caused a complete halt in my farming operations this.

          Ahhhhh… that’s what we were missing! A 2nd dust bowl!

  19. Dale A Albrecht says:
  20. Dale A Albrecht says:
  21. WASHINGTON, DC—Things have been a little tense lately in the home of journalist Todd Norbert. Normally, Norbert, a reporter for the New York Times, would be attending White House briefings or other major press conferences, looking for any excuse to accuse public figures of racism. Unfortunately, ever since being quarantined due to COVID-19 concerns, the news writer has been unable to leave his home to vilify politicians for using terms like “Chinese coronavirus”.

    Undaunted, he has been forced to innovate and adapt, scouring his own household for signs of hate and prejudice.

    When his seven-year-old daughter asked if he wanted to play a game of Chinese checkers, he heroically slapped the game board out of her hands and scolded her: “Mentioning the point of origin is racist! Just call it ‘weird checkers’ or ‘the version of checkers that is nothing like regular checkers’!”
    Later that same evening, his wife announced, “Look, honey! I had Mexican food delivered!”
    “Wow, Kathleen,” Norbert said, standing up and waving a finger in her face, “just… wow. Don’t call it ‘Mexican’ food! Mentioning Mexico is irrelevant and damaging to marginalized Latinx culture! Call it by its scientific name: ‘Tacos’!”
    Norbert didn’t end up getting any tacos that night, and at publishing time was sleeping on an Ottoman, which he calls a “small foot couch.”

  22. Canine Weapon says:

  23. Canine Weapon says:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Stupid cannot be fixed.

    • How do I afford healthcare? The Crats did Obamacare all by themselves. Apparently, Progressives are simply incapable of fixing things, because most of this would not be an issue in the Liberal cities and States. But thanks for reminding us just how poorly Progressives govern 😛

      • How do I afford healthcare? The Crats did Obamacare all by themselves.

        Trump’s been President for nearly four years. He ran on, amongst other things, the promise of killing ObamaCare and replacing it with something better.

        He claimed credit for killing Obama Care already: ‘It’s gone. There is no such thing as Obamacare any more,’

        So it’s not Obama’s fault. Trump killed ObamaCare. And he had a Red congress for long enough to put something else in place.

        So what has he replaced it with to fix the issue?

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          First of all…Obamacare is NOT dead……..next question?

          • But… but TRUMP said it was!

            And, according to people here, is the most honest President ever!

            Are you calling him a liar?

            • thelonestarconnection says:

              .Are you calling him a liar? If he has claimed it is totally dead, then yes sir, I am calling him out.

              There are penalties still in place. Capital gains penalties for one.

        • He has been blocked at every point trying to replace it. Ya’ll fucked it up, failed the people miserably and now want to whine that the Bad Orange Man hasn’t fixed the Left’s screw up. It still takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass legislation and that ain’t happening with Shumer there. So, there’s that.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            And it did not happen when the R’s had the numbers…………thanks John McCain.

            • I specifically remember being told that he could make deals – that no one makes deals like him – that he was a deal maker and he would make a deal happen – that there would be so much winning that people would be sick of winning.

              Did I hallucinate all that?

              Where’s that magical deal that would give everyone better health care at a lower price?

              • thelonestarconnection says:

                Where’s that magical deal that would give everyone better health care at a lower price? Well, for one, Nancy Pelosi has blocked it in the house. That is the proposal to open up sales of health insurance across state lines…in other words, deregulate it. She and her Dems have voted no on deregulation.

              • But.. he’s such a deal maker! He promised he’d be able to get things done!

                I very clearly remember him blaming Obama for failing to get the Republicans to work with him…

              • thelonestarconnection says:

                I very clearly remember him blaming Obama for failing to get the Republicans to work with him… Yes sir, I very clearly remember it myself. But if you have read his book, The Art of the Deal, there are deals available that you walk away from. Her price tag makes it impossible to deal…you know this. You also know that….no matter how good a deal maker you are or anyone is…..it takes two.

                However, the same holds true from his side….if he does not want to dance to a particular set of tunes…..don’t go to the dance.

              • Her price tag makes it impossible to deal…you know this. You also know that….no matter how good a deal maker you are or anyone is…..it takes two.

                Absolutely.

                Sure.

                I’m pointing out here, sir, that when Obama couldn’t get Mitch “the Reaper” McConnell to work with him, it was a “failure of leadership” and a sign that the country needed a “deal maker”

                Then he argued that HE was the ultimate dealmaker, so you all went and elected the guy.

                Now, when HE can’t make a deal, it’s the fault of the other side for being unreasonable.

                Which, ok, yea, sure, maybe that’s fair.

                It’s just… you see, it’s just.. when the Left President can’t make a deal with the Right Congress, it’s Left President’s failure. When the Right President can’t make a deal with the Left Congress, it’s the Left Congress’ failure.

                Odd how that works out, no?

                It takes two to tango, yes, but no matter who is leading and who is following, it’s always the Left one at fault when it doesn’t work. It’s just odd.

                I don’t know. Maybe it’s just my imagination.

          • He has been blocked at every point trying to replace it.

            Ahem.

            He has been blocked at every point trying to replace it.

  24. thelonestarconnection says:

    @ Mathius………………….I am going to try, once more, I will try to educate you on something that you and your ilk seem to think is happening and will happen. Now, you guys on the left side of the pendulum like to couch things in specific terms. So……..try…..please try….to understand this.

    ****ahem….mi mi mi……lalalalala……oko…..Ready?

    Closing the border…..does not mean….and never has meant…and will not mean….closing like you would shut a door and lock it.

    Closing the border means restricting access to various points. That is all it has ever meant….FULL STOP. The border will remain open……(please understand this)… Closing the border means you still have access but you would have to do it through legal means through assigned ports. That is all……………….AND there is nothing wrong with this.
    —————————————————————————————————

    So, you lefties seem to like the European model……and they are beginning to close their borders and enforce them with military. Try jumping on a train right now and travel Europe….good luck. Try driving the autoban from country to country with out being stopped….good luck.

    ———–

    “Thus endeth the lesson”

    • Closing the border means restricting access to various points. That is all it has ever meant….FULL STOP. The border will remain open……(please understand this)… Closing the border means you still have access but you would have to do it through legal means through assigned ports. That is all……………….AND there is nothing wrong with this.

      Understood completely, mon colonel.

      Which is why “closing the border” as such would do absolutely nothing to stop the coronavirus. It might, at best have delayed it by a week or two if people were on high alert for infection starting in January.

      Now, don’t get me wrong, a two-week delay is nothing to sneeze at. That time is valuable and would have saved lives. It would have bought us more time to research treatment before we needed it, to ramp up mask and ventilator production, etc. I do not happen to believe that this outweighs the COSTS of a border which stops the flow of free humans seeking opportunity, but that is a separate argument. It WOULD have helped. That is a fact. But it would not have helped much.

      But, even while that is true, closing it right now as a response to the coronavirus is, absolutely, bullshit. The virus is already here, it’s in every major city, in all 50 states. The number of infected is probably in the six figures. This nothing but using the crisis to do something he wanted to do anyway.

      So, you lefties seem to like the European model……and they are beginning to close their borders and enforce them with military. Try jumping on a train right now and travel Europe….good luck. Try driving the autoban from country to country with out being stopped….good luck.

      People are scared.

      They’re panicking.

      And the politicians are trying to look like they’re doing something.

      No closed borders (short of a more literal “closed borders” such as the DMZ) are going to do anything more than buy a bit of time.

      Days. Maybe weeks, tops.

      And shutting them now is completely pointless.

      So, you lefties seem to like the European model……

      I don’t know about WE, lefties, but ME, leftie thinks borders are evil and immoral. I think they are a way to hoard opportunity and advantage, of preventing competition, and the like.

      I think, if a man wants to work, and another wants to pay him, then that’s between the two of them, and he ought to be able to get to work. And he ought to be able to live where he works if he can afford a place to live and find a person willing to sell or lease to him – that’s between them. For someone else to step in and say “no, you can’t do that” – what right do they have?

      But that doesn’t mean that borders don’t have benefits. They do. They can keep out criminals and drugs and terrorists. They can advantage their citizens and prevent competition and hoard opportunity. They can provide some measure of security and they can, maybe, slow the spread of certain diseases.

      It’s not – to me – a black and white issue. Very little is, for me. But a balancing act between pros and cons. But at the end of the day, it’s just wrong and the benefits do not justify it.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Closing it now is not bullshit. Any more than social distancing or isolate in place.

        You reduce the number of infected people coming in you reduce the rate of spread. SIMPLE FACT.

        Of course I mean CLOSE…………… not well OK you can come in if you have papers.

  25. thelonestarconnection says:

    Oh crap, I have to agree with Mathius on a couple of points.,…this hurts.

    But, even while that is true, closing it right now as a response to the coronavirus is, absolutely, bullshit. The virus is already here, it’s in every major city, in all 50 states. The number of infected is probably in the six figures.

    Yes, the virus is here and it is here for awhile. And you are correct, it would not have stopped the virus…illegals did not bring it in. HOWEVER, It can prevent others that have the symptoms and such from adding to the problem and over whelming our already stretched logistics. It sucks…to be sure, but we do have a responsibility to our own and not the world.

    People are scared. They’re panicking.

    Yes, and nothing can be done about this either. It is just funny to see that the progressive model that everyone likes and supports, ends up doing the same thing. Closing borders, stopping refugees and transplants and the like.

    I think, if a man wants to work, and another wants to pay him, then that’s between the two of them, and he ought to be able to get to work. And he ought to be able to live where he works if he can afford a place to live and find a person willing to sell or lease to him – that’s between them. For someone else to step in and say “no, you can’t do that” – what right do they have?

    Again, I must agree with you in this concept. However, they must follow the rules set up. If our country has a set of rules to follow and you wish to come to work here, welcome. But follow the rules. AND, if a company hires illegals and pays them lower wages to get around the government and taxes, then burn the company. I follow the rules and do not hire illegals. Everybody should. As to what right do we have to stop this? It is following the laws set up by our duly elected representatives and it does not pertain to one party or another. It has not mattered who has been in power, no one attacks it….so in the meantime, follow the rules.

    If I were in charge, I would make it a criminal offense to be in this country illegally. I would also make it a criminal offense for any American to hire a known illegal and that includes everyone in our House and Senate and Administrative. BUT….I am not in charge.

    As long as there are borders and sovereign countries….there are rules.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      BtW…inquiring minds want to know…….how the hell did you get out of the Pirates hold, this time?

    • Again, I must agree with you in this concept.

      Because I’m right! …………….. ᵢₙ ꜀ₒₙ꜀ₑₚₜ

      However, they must follow the rules set up. If our country has a set of rules to follow and you wish to come to work here, welcome.

      Yes.

      Buuuutttt…..

      But, to be fair, it’s kind of a catch 22 to say “anyone can come here as long as you follow the rules and the first rule is you can’t come here.”

      I CERTAINLY, ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY agree that, while here, you have to obey the laws every bit as much as the rest of us.* You come here, you stand on American soil, you follow American laws.

      Does your homeland allow you to rape? Too bad, not here. Is theft legal? Arson? Too bad, not here. Is bribery perfectly accepted in your country? Too bad, not here. Don’t like it? Get citizenship,** vote, and change the laws.

      *Does not include various traffic laws, because posted speed limits are total bullshit.

      *ooh, did you catch that? I bet you did.. you’re pretty sharp after all. I don’t confer citizenship/voting on everyone who sets foot over the border. Only people who have a long term vested interestest in this country and its wellbeing*** should have the right to vote.

      *** so, obviously, this excludes all politicians and business leaders.

      But follow the rules. AND, if a company hires illegals and pays them lower wages to get around the government and taxes, then burn the company.

      Damn you!

      I swear to you, I was already formulating the response “burn them to the ground” as I read your sentence, then I get to the end and see you’ve already said pretty much exactly that.

      I’ll only add that (A) the president of that company should be personally on the hook for all sub-minimum wage differences and all taxes he avoided. (B) After paying that, he should be fired out of a cannon.

      But… if they’re paying a legal rate and paying the taxes….? CIVILIAN Mathius sees nothing wrong with that.

      I follow the rules and do not hire illegals.

      I wouldn’t do it with my business. But I do as a CIVILIAN. I hire day laborers from time to time. I pay WELL over minimum wage (plus lunch). I just find that they’re plentiful and hard-working and honest and capable for the things I need. Weeding, painting, staining, odd jobs like that. I believe they have as much right to an honest day’s work for an honest day’s wage as anyone else.

      As to what right do we have to stop this? It is following the laws set up by our duly elected representatives and it does not pertain to one party or another. It has not mattered who has been in power, no one attacks it….so in the meantime, follow the rules.

      But.. but the rule is bullshit.

      It’s the same problem I have with drug use and prostitution and and and and and…

      It’s not that I, personally, want to partake in these activities, but it is MY life. MINE. And MY body and MY money and if I want to strike a private deal with a third party, being of sound mind and body and fully informed and freely consenting… what right does anyone else have to get in the middle of that just because a bunch of elected assholes say so?

      If they passed a law that said “D13 cannot live or do business in Texas,” do they have that right? Maybe they have the LAWFUL right to say that, but by what Right do they interfere with your free choices to buy land where you will from those who would freely sell and to live on that land. And to sell goods to those who would freely buy? Why do THEY get to tell YOU that? Just because they’re elected and vested with such power does not make it a JUST law. It makes it an abuse.

  26. Mathius…newsflash. Counties are closing their borders….Papers please….
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/dominicholden/coronavirus-southern-counties-closing-borders-visitors

    • Of course they are.

      Idiots, cowards, and reactionaries, the lot of ’em!

      Phooey.

      Someone fetch me my guillotine.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        BS on that Mathius.

        If you think they are idiots and cowards why don’t you drive your family to NY City and go out for ice cream.

  27. thelonestarconnection says:

    We got it figured out in Texas…….we will wait until the temps reach 100 or better, cook down this virus, and serve with taters.

    • Hold on.. I’ve got a video here… somewhere….

      AH! Here we go, this is a Florida commissioner (R-of course)

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I guess you and the clown hiding his face don’t know science. However, a hair drying/blower is not needed.

        A Doctor told me long ago the inhale steam when first getting the symptoms of sinus infection/sore throat. The high temp of the steam kills many of the little devils. It has worked every time. He prescribed this instead of drugs.

        Now, you inhale through the nose and it can HURT breathing in that hot steam. But keep it up and you will get good results.

        Then add some fresh Ginger root, sliced thin to boiling water. Put in about half a lemon squeeze in the juice then toss in the peel. Add a touch of honey or Cinnamon spiced Whiskey. Sip while hot.

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    In areas where the virus has not existed the public is not given the information which could help isolate it once it arrives. For example, we were told that the first few cases here were people returning from travel. Yet one of them self isolated “out of state” after coming here to be diagnosed. Later we find a few were on one of the cruise ships.

    Now suppose instead everyone knew who as infected and where they have been. Everyone with this information could then quickly self assess their risk and if needed notify authorities. Instead health officials, as many as can be afforded, are given the task of tracking down those people who the infected person thinks they may have contacted. In two cases this resulted in the families being told to isolate in place.

    Our fear of stigmatizing people has reduced our ability to respond more quickly. We probably wouldn’t be allowed to patrol the shores and report enemy aircraft of boats today because someone might be stigmatized by people being asked to watch out and speak up. Oh wait, like happened after 9/11.

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Anita……………What the hell did you people elect to the Governor’s chair.

    Threatening Doctors who prescribe a drug to treat patients, what a piece of work.

    Put this Witch in the Tank with the Gov. of Nevada. Then boil the contents.

    https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/27/michigan-gov.-warns-doctors-pharmacists-who-prescribe-or-dispense-hydroxychloroquine-of-professional-consequences

  30. Just A Citizen says:
  31. Just A Citizen says:

    About darn time. Glad to see this lecture finally happened. Kiss my Grits members of CAIR.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/defying_islamist_protests_middle_east_scholar_speaks_at_us_army_war_college_.html

  32. Dale A Albrecht says:
  33. Just A Citizen says:

    The instructions from Govt. regarding self isolation, social distancing, etc, etc. really makes me wonder what MODEL they are using. These practices might help flatten a curve but when you also have dozens of exceptions it is not “stopping the spread” as they publicly claim.

    We have about 10 cases in North Idaho, all in my town. Yet the State has issued a burn ban because you know, all the respiratory illnesses due to Covid is causing a stress. So now we are not to burn all those limbs and wood from last fall and winter, when burning is banned due to inversions.

    We have had 10 to 20mph winds almost every day. Some time from the SW and other from the North. The temps change with the wind……….yesterday snow, today cold tomorrow rain.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mathius

      You lose again with your attempted attacks. I commented on this yesterday at The Hill. An EPA employee responded. He said the waiver was valid and provided a good example of why. In his cased, EPA requires a certain number of people to be on duty to monitor and empty certain waste barrels. If they cannot maintain staffing, regardless of what happens to the waste, they are in violation of EPA regulations.

      My comment was that often these rules are about process and not outcomes. You can waive a process and still get the outcome. The EPA employee agreed.

  34. Could someone put this in simple terms for me. How does this economic package relate to taking the Federal Reserve out of the picture. Disclaimer: My understanding of the Federal Reserve goes about this deep…it prints money.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      First of all it doesn’t kill the Fed and it doesn’t merge them. It does make them partners on the particular assets the Fed is financing and Treasury is buying.

      There is potential for corruption as the full article describes. With POTUS directing Treasury to squeeze the FED for more money which they use to buy assets………. effectively propping up the asset values……. think stocks and bonds.

      You know I think the Fed should be eliminated. But having only a Treasury dept carries this risk of political manipulation. But it is better in terms of accountability to We the People than unaccountable appointees running the system.

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Such great emotional bull shit. Sorry folks, but this one really ticked me off. I guess Mathius is also soulless, per this crank.

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/26/the-rich-are-shaming-themselves-in-a-time-of-coronavirus-crisis/

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Well, I am not rich but well off …..I am not ashamed.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        And we are still going out.,,,still visiting restaurants…using their take out service and leaving hefty tips….we can take care of our own and do not need a frigging government to provide a living. I am getting tired of the whining…….
        ——————-

        Wait…if everyone gets to whine about something….then I get my turn. I hate these oil prices and want them to go back up. It is not fair that I have to suffer low oil prices and affordable gasoline….waaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is not fair that it is helping the consumer…..BOOO HOOO……..everyone is happy because of the low prices of gasoline…..

        ————————

        How is that? Do I make a good “snow flake”?

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Gotta get congress to authorize Oil subsidies for you. They can pay you for not producing just like the farmers.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Colonel

        RELATIVITY my dear Sir. Relativity.

        Many of us here are considered RICH depending on who’s definition is used.

  36. Here’s the text of the EO.

    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.), and in furtherance of Proclamation 9994 of March 13, 2020 (Declaring a National Emergency Concerning the Novel Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19) Outbreak), which declared a national emergency by reason of the threat that the novel (new) coronavirus known as SARS-CoV-2 poses to our Nation’s healthcare systems,

    https://thewashingtonstandard.com/breaking-trump-executive-order-calls-up-1000000-reserve-military-personnel-in-army-navy-air-force-coast-guard/

    I’m not sure about the accuracy of this, but SARS-CoV-2 piqued my interest.

    • Well at least 1M people have jobs.

      Anita or VH posted a link a few days back that appeared to be part conspiracy. The author claimed the Covid-19 virus had DNA strands from Sars and (if I remember right) Ebola, Thus it was a gene sliced laboratory virus. The theory was that the lab animals were sold to the food market after they were infected thus spreading the virus to humans.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Gman

      The “official name” of the virus included SARS as this has to do with the “group” of viruses within which Coronaviruses fall. They later created the Covid 19 Name. Frankly I think to ease communications.

      Here is the title of the older version:

      SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome)
      Cause
      SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) – virus identified in 2003. SARS-CoV is thought to be an animal virus from an as-yet-uncertain animal reservoir, perhaps bats, that spread to other animals (civet cats) and first infected humans in the Guangdong province of southern China in 2002.

      Covid: Co = Corona Vi = Virus d= ?

      • I’m taking this with a grain of salt. I’m thinking that this may be a hoax. Why would in one sentence it say Covid-19 and then something different. That is what doesn’t make sense. There are plenty of whackballs out there who have putting out crap like this for decades.

      • SARS-CoV-2 is the name for this new virus.

        Covid-19 is the name for the disease the virus causes.

        Co = Corona Vi = Virus d = disease 19 = 2019.

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Suggestion. If you think you need to stick together then why don’t you group up and rent a bus, then travel to Mexico. From there you can go where you like. By the way Mexico has very few Covid 19 cases, supposedly.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/politics/undocumented-immigrants-coronavirus-stimulus/index.html

    PS….. Over 7 million admitted ILLEGAL workers. There is absolutely no reason for this given the availability of work visas.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      You can support yourself by picking tomatoes for less than the Mexicans get.

  38. Just A Citizen says:

    Interesting times, very, very interesting. Where will it end? What will it look like when this is over? How many States are going to wind up just thumbing their nose at the Feds? And exactly how would the Fed govt. enforce the same thing the States are unable to enforce?

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/trump-governors-coronavirus-travel-shutdown-152561

    Note: What the govs are trying to do is something that should have been done, IF your objective is to stop the spread or keep it so low your existing medical facilities can handle it. But in reality, I don’t see how the Govs or POTUS could have enforced this except in limited locations.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Ya’ll may not want to see this but it reinforces my stance that the howling over lack of testing as a panacea was just that……..howling. Because of the virus’ rate of infection even a 15% failure rate would get us to where we are…….maybe just slower. There was simply no way to administer enough tests to create the effect of “herd immunity”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2020/03/26/negative-coronavirus-test-result-doesnt-always-mean-you-arent-infected/

  40. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Last two days clear skies and in the mid 80’s. Nice breeze. Feels good.

    Stream of boats being fueled and towed to the coast. I can only imagine e the launching ramps in town. Well maintained tons of parking

    No new confirmed cases of the virus in the area.

  41. Wife: look, the President is on tv
    4 y/o: Donald Trump?
    W: yes
    4: He’s saying nonsense!

    Hahahhahahahahahhaa! I love my kids!

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      You will be happy to know that Damien “Omen VIII” from Albany agrees with your daughter now that he got the call from Nancy with the also crazy eyes.

      The crazy eyes thing, is that a psychological or a demon thing?

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      He’s saying nonsense! Only parroting the parents…..

  42. “The other thing that’s nice and the one thing that has come out, and I learned this, again, it was reaffirmed by President Xi last night in my conversation, the young people are really, this is an incredible phenomenon, but they are attacked, successfully attacked to a much lesser extent by this pandemic, by this disease. This whatever they want to call it. You call it a germ, you can call it a flu, you can call it a virus. You know, you can call it many different names. I’m not sure anybody even knows what it is, but the children do very well.”

    Trump, 3/27

    Jesus Christ.

    I’m sure some of you will mock me for “not getting how he talks,” but Jesus, are you kidding me? He’s not sure anybody knows what the coronaVIRUS is?

    I swear, it’s like anything he doesn’t personally understand must be an unfashionable mystery that NO ONE could possibly understand.

    How the holy hell did this fucking mouth breathing moron get to be the leader of the free world? How can ANYONE think he’s doing a good job?

    • How the holy hell did this fucking mouth breathing moron get to be the leader of the free world?

      • The smart people in this country were tired of the failures of the last mouth breathing moron and his cult followers sucking his toe cheese.

        I think he is doing a super job, considering who (Crats) he has to deal with everyday. If your ilk were still in charge, the death toll would be in the millions.

  43. So far, let’s give some credit to Americans for having dealt with this without any major violence or civil unrest. This, however, isn’t sustainable. People are not built to sit at home for long periods of time, because they are told to do so by government. Most will accept some short term sacrifice, but when the time frame runs too long all bets are off.

    How hard can govt lock down big cities? How long before illegals, who will not get any money, resort to crime to survive? How long before drug dealers decide that enough is enough?

    So far, food deliveries are continuing. But what happens if it gets interrupted by other events?

  44. Dale A Albrecht says:

    As of this afternoon we have around 900 + cases of the virus in the State. 87 people are hospitalized and 4 deaths.

    Yet the governor has ordered a virtual shut down of the State as of Monday. Only essential business. Stay at home.

    People have adapted and settled in to the a modified life and things kept moving along. People kept at least 6 feet apart. Waited patiently for the person in front to do what they were doing and mixed on.

    Are these governors crashing stuff to get more goodies. Durham has been hit worst due to the international businesses and massive travel, but is also home to major pharmaceutical research companies

    We’ve only had 3 cases diagnosed here and 5 on the coast but to kill business here is insane. All the cases were tied to travel

    I pay my utility bills at the city offices, drive up windows. The clerks all wore gloves and wiped down the envelopes before opening. .

    • WE are two weeks into the shutdown order. Cases are increasing in the State, but none locally yet. I think the goal is to not overload the hospitals. Let this spread slowly so it can be handled with less loss of life. Italy didn’t have that choice.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Italy over the past several years has closed 250 hospitals. Reallocating resources to deal with the onslaught of migrants the EU redirected from Greece after they killed that economy to Italy and then the uncorking the bottle by killing Gadafi (sp)

  45. I was very concerned today that there would be a Fed mandated quarantine of NY, NJ and Conn. Thankfully, that is not going to happen, at least not by Trump. That is not something he should do. Trump has been very good about NOT abusing power. Letting Governors and localities make the best decisions for themselves. However, Governors are not necessarily doing a good job. NY for example, now has a problem, it’s people are travelling, which will cause some problems that have already been identified. At this moment in time, I don’t think that travelling is a good idea, but it’s still a free choice. Choices have consequences. This may play out years from now, but some folks will get hurt/killed travelling from hot spots.

    Trump’s decision was necessary and correct. We can’t have Martial Law, it won’t work and is unenforceable. Being smart helps. Too bad NYers missed that memo.

    • Let me add. Florida failed, New Orleans failed, to name a few. AS Mathius has said People. Are. Stupid. Political leanings are not the issue. Stupid people are. My neighbors are clamping down, no visitors, period, including neighbors. Mutual defense agreements are in effect. Settle in, we have a few more weeks or longer to deal with this.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      New Yorkers, Smart? An oxymoron!

      Crafty, wiley, come to mind and in many cases inflated self image as well as “privileged” at least in the centers of town but smart? If they were smart, they would not have melted down the market!

  46. Dale A Albrecht says:

    People are working on their houses or craftsmen. People are boating and maintaining their vessels. Close the supply stores . Craft stores, book stores are modifying shopping. Restaurants and bars di take out only. In town the obviously modified the takeout for alchohol. NOT mixed drinks. But bottles of beer wine, still sealed.. that’s where a restaurant makes money

  47. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I’ve always looked at myself as having not veered too much from my basic political philosophy developed in the early to mid 1960’s while at Manhattan Prep. What of course did happen during the Viet-nam war was the rest of the universe took a hard left and somehow I got smothered into the “right”. Never had much of a problems with that because I always thought than in many respects, the Kennedy democrat and the Goldwater Republican did have much in common (certainly the welfare of the country).

    For years I have had both fun and been frustrated by the lefts’ unhinged conspiracy theories on everything from the Kennedy assassination to Russia, Russia, Russia.

    Now there seems to be a mad shift in the opposite direction and my more stable (I thought) conservative friends have all started going over the edge on a whole new set of conspiracy theories.

    I wonder where I will wind up on the post Coronavirus political spectrum?

    • I find conspiracy theories to be entertaining, and there are plenty over this virus issue. I have a friend who was already too into that world, basically, he’s losing it. He don’t talk too anyone that don’t believe what he does, so, we don’t talk for now. I have all kinds of theories about the virus, but who freaking cares, lets deal with THE issue, then let’s deal with the theory crap.

      Politically speaking, It’s a State/local issue, as it should be. As far as city folk in general, too dependent on their government. Lack of understanding about being responsible for their well being…….Wait, that would be your average Liberal 😛

  48. Dale A Albrecht says:

    https://www.wbtv.com/2020/03/27/gov-cooper-issues-stay-home-order-all-north-carolina/

    Ordering 30 days stay at home. Shut down

    “To save lives. We’ve had exactly 4 deaths. Only 87 hospitalized.

    This’ll kill the State.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      The areas hit are the Charlotte and Raleigh Durham areas. NOT here. Slower pace, people adapting but 30 days order regardless of area. Thus is insanity at best. 4 random deaths across the entire State.

      • I would love to hear what US Weapon thinks about that. I believe he is in the Durham area…or he was.

  49. Dale A Albrecht says:

    And the 3 cases here are now symptom free. NFA’d no further action. Except tracing contacts.

  50. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Just the normal flu NC last week had 5 deaths. Over the flu season si far spanning the last 6 months we’ve had 149 deaths from flu.

    Since people became aware of the covid-19 virus and starting to take some precautionary action. Roughly 2-3 months we’ve had 4 total deaths. Yet the State is being destroyed economically starting tomorrow at 1700 with a mandatory “Stay at Home” order for the next 30 days. With only those deemed “essential” permitted to be out.

    So far we’ve only been impacted by behavior modification. Not stopped dead in our tracks.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      3/4 of the covid deaths have been elderly. Our State health Dept didn’t name the possible underlying risk factor they may or may not have had of all those tested so far. Only 5% actually positive.

      Like my ex wife had an uncle who had lung cancer. Surgeries and chemo. With chemo your immune system takes a hit. But being in a weakened condition he got pneumonia. And died. His death certificate said he died from pneumonia not cancer.

      Other than mechlenburg (Charlotte) Durham (Durham) and Wake (Raleigh) . The rest of the State has only handful of positive cases. In their counties. The 4 deaths were randomly spaced and in areas I’d consider rural with limited services.

  51. thelonestarconnection says:

    Dale……..My “Spidey” senses are going off………there is something not right about all of this……something………………………………………………..

    • Just A Citizen says:

      FEAR. Fear of not being re-elected.

      Politicians are going to do whatever it takes to LOOK like they are saving people. Especially when there is no other cost. By that I mean, if the Federal Govt. foots the bill for closing down your economy then what is the real risk of a “stay at home order”???

      Good news here is that “Stay at Home Order” does NOT include playing golf. You can golf if you adhere to Social Distancing guidelines and the Club sterilizes the carts after use. You can hike the trails, except the Feds have closed everything. National Parks are closed until further notice.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        A friend in LA said they closed the golf courses and yesterday closed the bridal trails. To both riding and walking.

        Get the damn fresh air. Keep them from getting congested. From laying around.

        As I said this morning last week 5 deaths from the flu. Last 3 months 4 deaths from the virus. Yet the governor is jumping on the bandwagon to SAVE lives shut it down.

        There will be war if the city and State close the boat ramps. But regardless of the order by Cooper I’m taking a family canoeing on Brice creek tomorrow.

  52. Just A Citizen says:
  53. Just A Citizen says:

    I think this one is preaching to the choir but thought it intersting.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/03/the_wuhan_virus_is_turning_into_a_wimp.html

  54. Just A Citizen says:

    Headline humor………..

    Rhode Island National Guard Searches House-to-House for New Yorkers Fleeing the Wuhan Virus, Can Hunting Them for Sport Be Far Behind

    And from inside the same story: “If Cuomo thinks America would not stand for quarantining New York, he really needs to get out more. Trump could probably coast to a 49 state landslide by running on that idea alone.”

  55. Just A Citizen says:

    Idaho Sit Rep. Note how my county (Kootenai) has grown since 3/12 when we had zero cases. Seems it is slowly spreading into the real rural areas, like Custer County. Stanley residents sent an open letter to Boise, telling them to stay the hell home.

    https://coronavirus.idaho.gov/

  56. https://www.wired.com/story/the-pandemic-has-led-to-a-huge-global-drop-in-air-pollution/

    The cries from the greenies will be this worked so well let’s keep it going. The government can just pay everyone a salary and tell them to stay home. The globe will be much cleaner.

  57. Canine Weapon says:

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Oh my God………………

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Isn’t that a double hanging offense?

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          Only one.. cast iron skillet in the dishwasher EGAD. All the flavor is gone. If you are French #2 is the only way to do a steak. Sear it then finish it in the oven. Any other way to a frog is sacrilege.

          But how do you want your steak cooked sir….slap it on its ass and send it in!🙂

          • Dale A Albrecht says:

            But for the Colonel it is pretty darn hard to fit a dressed steer in a pan.

            • thelonestarconnection says:

              Well, I dunno………washing anything cast iron is a hanging offense…..a well done steak…….is another hanging offense.

              Seared is one thing……well done…..is a sacrilege.

              • thelonestarconnection says:

                I mean, I had a neighbor once that washed his grill with steel wool and a brush……But he was not from Texas….he was from some other Michigan. He told me that they always scraped and washed their grill with soap and water and steel wool…..sigh.

              • Dale A Albrecht says:

                When traveling cross country 53 years ago we took our grandparents to a real “STEAK” restaurant in Kansas City. The stockyards were right there so you got the full ambiance. Gorgeous steaks. When the waiter ask my grandmother how she wanted hers cooked she said well done. The waiter informed her that is just not done and they will not cook it that way. He said trust me we’ll do it just right and you’ll love it.

                I do nor think they had pot roast on the menu.

                They did do it right and she ate the WHOLE thing.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                When # 1 son was studying at Ft. Leavenworth we went there four times. The steaks in town were uniformly the best I’d ever had. KC the same. Miss that. Told him to relocate permanently out there but he missed the opportunity.

  58. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I was just reading about the dust up between RI and NY. Interesting reading

  59. Update from sister in Hampton Va. Went to 3 stores, NO MEAT. No TP. No potatoes. No brains.

    I will post a new thread soon.

  60. New thread is posted

  61. thelonestarconnection says:

    Just got back from a recon and supply mission…..all shelves stock with the exception of TP…plenty of meats…minimal canned veggies but still there. Milk and eggs were in stock…we got a few staples that we were low on……

    Texas stopping people at the borders and checking temps. If you are traveling and sick, you will be quarantined and checked on. Texas National Guard has set up mobile hospitals in four major cities capable of handling a combined 5,000 extra beds to help if hospitals are over burdened. We have 6 drive through testing stations scattered around the state but you do have to meet some requirements to get tested. Don,t just pull up and say test me….you need to have symptoms. The tests are free……and all of this….everything…..is done without Federal dollars. It is out of our rainy day fund that all the Dems were upset with…..and there is enough in there to sustain this operation for 6 months. Military doctors, military nurses, and military logistics (trucks, planes, and helicopters).

    Now, California and Florida and New York are very large states that can support the same type of system….wonder why they are not?

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