A Big Warning




  1. Just sayin 😛

  2. thelonestarconnection says:

    Update Texas: Hospitals in Dallas at 48% capacity now…..The Texas National Guard is up and ready to accept trauma patients. Military hospitals are well trained in trauma because that is what we do…we give and receive trauma. So…..that said….there is a 1500 bed facility in Dallas that is now taking non covid 19 patients to relieve more doctors and beds in the regular hospitals for covid 19.

    The military facility in Dallas can perform surgeries, MRI, X ray, and emergency needs. Fully staffed and independent. The same in Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. Each of the facilities is independent upon sanitation, food service, and water. Pretty cool, thanks to various governors and our rainy day funds.
    Dallas County Judge Clay (Zieg Heil) Jenkins is now ordering police to patrol and maintain the parks, trails, and other public facilities. He has issued a cease and desist order to Hobby Lobby because they have chosen to remain open. Hobby Lobby’s response is……if people want to come, I am open.

    Banks are now drive through service only with some ATM’s running out of money and no one to fill them.

    Grocery stores are 75% stocked and beginning to look like Mexico…..in Mexico, you walk into a normal grocery store and the shelves are stocked for one row….nothing behind. Our stores are now beginning to look a little bare….in the US you walk into a store and the shelves used to be full stacked all the way to the back…now they are getting sparse. The supply chain is suffering.

    The oil field is still producing and we are almost full in our storage units. The down side to this is, once you turn a well off and lose bottom hole pressure…you cannot restart it. Interesting times ahead.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Just out,,,,,,,a group 16 University of Texas students all went to Cabo San Lucas for spring break…..7 have now tested positive.

      The age group of 20-30 year olds now beginning to catch up with positive tests. One of the 7 is in critical condition.

  3. My County now has 1 confirmed Covid case. The worst places are the urban areas, far from us. New Yorkers are not welcome, Pittsburghers are not welcome. If they come to a camp, stay there, no visiting. Strange times and things look to get uglier as this goes on. Stay heathy and stay safe. Don’t be a New Yorker 😛

  4. So Ford and GE can’t get parts for ventilators. It seems that PCB’s and PCA’s (printed circuit boards and assemblies come from China). There are lots of PCB and PCA manufacturers here in the states that can turn out boards overnight. What is required are Gerber files that contain all the details of the boards design from the print mask to the board stuffing. Most of the board stuffing is now done with pick and place machines followed by wave soldering. It might take a few hours to program the machines and test the programs. After the first articles are proof tested, they can turn out large volumes of PCAs. This all assumes that all the components are available. If the design is dated, there may be some hard to find components but usually with the internet they can be found. Unfortunately it takes only one critical part shortage to stop a production line.

    One problem may be that many PCAs now have programmable chips on them. If GE does not have the programs for these chips, i.e., they are buying boards from China that were engineered in China, they could be in trouble, because then an engineer needs to duplicate and test the program(s). This is what happens when the design work is moved offshore.

    Now if they are being price sensitive and looking to build at the cheapest price then production could take forever.

    Plastic parts are usually molded so require the development of the mold first. This can take time. But with 3D printing, that can be circumvented as well but in limited supply. It costs more. Multiple small parts can be 3D printed at once on the larger printers.

    We have lots of machine part capacity in this country. Again if the CADD files are available, local machine shops can turn parts quickly.

  5. Just A Citizen says:
  6. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I’d love to start a discussion of how China went from Communism, to Fascism. In the olden days, the state owned everything and it was poorly run by political administrators as in the USSR. When that model failed, they changed over to a “privatized” economy, run by businessmen with a stake in ownership of the industries. But, unlike our capitalism, control and planning was still vested with the government. The businesses were told WHAT to do but not HOW. Like Fascist Germany and Italy, business was “independent” but served the orders handed down by government. The final “break” with any hope for a democratic revolution within the country was the appointment as President for “LIFE” of Ping. a few years back. Like Hitler, Mussolini, Franco or Stalin, this doomed any hopes for real fundamental liberalization. So China now is a country whose economic policies could be called, State Directed Capitalism (SDC), the absolute WORST type of capitalism possible. Certainly right up there with the way IG Farben, Krupp, Deutsche Bank, Siemens, Bayer, VW, AEG and Ford Germany served the third Reich.

    Again, I think an interesting thought piece.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      First of all, I am not sure it is a form of Capitalism at all. Fascism properly defined still leave control of the economy in Govt. hands. So who supposedly owns the property is meaningless. It is who owns the means of production, and clearly the Chinese Govt. owns the means of production.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Crypto Fascism? Crypto Capitalism? It certainly is NOT traditional communism. The money making at all costs including the lack of rebar and lead in toys smacks of the “capitalism” our beloved AOC and Bernie constantly talk of.

        Like I said, an interesting topic. To me, it is just something else I can smack down the left with.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          SK Just a harder form of Fascism, as it ain’t the “liberal fascism” of western nations. More like the traditional variety. Including the appeal to Nationalism and the Racism of the Nazis.

          The evolution to this was inevitable and is addressed in the book I referenced here last year. I think it was called “How China Took Over the World”. Will have to check on that. It was a great read on China’s history and the role their Culture/Religion plays in how the Communists ruled and why they lost grip. If they had not moved to the Fascist model they stood a good chance of being thrown to the dogs, or is that bats, maybe pigs. Anyway, you get the picture.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          SK……….Found it. If you get a chance you should read this. The book that is.


  7. Michigan: 10,791 cases, 417 deaths. Gov Whitmer signed EO for fines up to $1000 for failure to use social distancing. Wonder how they’re gonna prove that? Watch out for creeps with cell phones out…you never know if you’re on video being 5 1/2 feet away instead of 6. Had 6 people at my firepit last night. We probably all broke the rule at least once.

    Bunch of bullshit! 👿

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I am curious. What new protocols or procedures has Amazon developed for the warehouse operations?

      Your group should now consider itself a “Closed Tribe”. Everyone makes sure they do not contact anyone else and the group is free to gather when it likes.

      • Mathius says:

        You know how, in zombie moves, there’s always that one idiot who gets bitten and hides it, only to “turn” at the most inopportune moment?

        Yea, that’s exactly what it’s like in the real world.

        Some idiot will get himself exposed and hide that fact from the “tribe” because he needs the work. And, before he’s symptomatic, before the temperature scans detect him, he’ll spread it to everyone else.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Theory and logic runs smack into Human Behavior.

          • Mathius says:

            I’ve always argued that you need to be extraordinarily careful about the incentive structures you put in place.

            This is true for parenting and it is true for workplaces.

            If you punish people financially for taking time off when sick, they won’t take time off when sick, and they will infect others in your organization.

            If you provide PTO or WFH, they are more likely to stay home. YES, some will abuse it. But, at the same time, they won’t be as likely to bring plague into the warehouse. Which is worse? A few bad apples abusing the system or everyone getting sick around the same time? I guess that depends on your business and costs, etc. But it’s certainly something that needs to be considered and weighed and decided on rather than just defaulting to “no, I’m not paying you if you aren’t working!”

            That said, this doesn’t really help much against something like COVID with a ~2wk asymptomatic period… but it does for other diseases.

            I used to work in a company that expressly and explicitly demanded that you report everything possible negative about your coworkers. If you failed to do so, you were punished. If you didn’t do enough, you were punished (AND others would report you for failing). If you were not negative enough, the system started underweighting your reports.
            Your bonus was mathematically tied to the number of negative notes you made about yoru coworker. The theory was that, if everything you do wrong is known and public, that you will be aware of your weaknesses and do better. Further, that if others were aware of your weaknesses, then they could avoid you for things you’re weak on (“Oh, I need a creative guy.. better not choose JAC.. he’s bad at creativity). And, also, no one could hide it if they were doing a bad job. Can you guess how it was working at this place? I quit after 3 months.

      • I’d already mentioned about getting our temps checks before being permitted past security.

        We have a Green Mile…a lane for pedestrian traffic…which now has 6 ft marks taped off.

        3 break rooms have had 1/2 tables removed and set in open space in warehouse…2 people per table.

        No longer have Stand Up Meetings at beginning of shift…for announcements and pre work stretches

        Clorox wipes a million for wiping down your work area and scanner

        Added benefits:

        No consequences for missed time through April

        Staggered start, end, and break times. Pretty much set your own schedule.

        $2/hr premium for hours worked

        Overtime is now paid at double instead of 1 1/2 time.

        That’s at my building. The brand new state of the art facility, which is only 5 minutes from my house, has been having issues, though. News stations have been recording their protests (of 30 or less employees) about not having any of these safety measures in place at their building. They want Jeff Bezos to personally tour their building, and close it down for 2 weeks to be sanitized. Don’t know how much of their issues are true, but I doubt Jeffy will close it down. That would be a serious disruption in the flow. BUT we can’t ship to Canada at the moment because of closed borders, so I dont know what they’re doing about that.

        I blew off today because, well because I can!. No consequences, and its nice out. So back to raking fence lines I go. 🙂

    • Our governor is encouraging people to rat on their neighbors if they break the rules. Maybe we should make everyone who has Coronavirus wear little gold stars or something. That’s probably next.

      • Mathius says:

        Not that I’m loving the… fascist.. vibes I’m getting in all this, but there is a difference between “persecuting an innocent minority” and “stopping idiots from wantonly spreading plague.”

        Just sayin’…

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Here is the part of that which ticks me off. If YOU are doing what you are supposed to do then the idiots shouldn’t have an impact on you. So no need to turn them in, etc, etc.

          • Mathius says:

            If YOU are doing what you are supposed to do then the idiots shouldn’t have an impact on you

            That’s just not true.

            There are still occasions when people need to leave the house.

            Much less for ME, because of my personal situation, but other people need to go to work, need to grocery shop, need to buy toilet paper, etc.

            Anita HAS to go to work in a warehouse with lots of other people. If her idiot coworker went to a “COVID Party,” and deliberately got themselves infected, then spreads that to her, she was “doing what she was supposed to do,” but still got it.

            But even I, who work from home, with a wife who is working from home, with kids staying at home, who only visit our in-laws, who stay at home… we still get packages in the mail with things we need. We still have groceries sent to us. We still get mail. I still had to argue with the fedEx guy to leave a package without signing. Every one of those is a point of possible infection. We can’t all be Black Flag living in a gold-lined bunker with 40 years of MRE’s.

            It’s not like these things are full-proof for most people.

            Disease spreads well enough on its own without assholes going out of their way to endanger everyone else.

            This is exactly the same at the argument “I don’t need to get vaccinated – it’s my life.” Which is true as far as it goes.. but if YOU don’t get vaccinated, and you spread the disease, it’s MY life you’re playing games with. “But Mathius,” you say, “if you get vaccinated and do everything right then I won’t have an impact on you.” (paraphrasing Gman). To which I respond “vaccines aren’t 100%, and just doing my best to avoid contact and wash my hands etc isn’t 100%. Why is it so much to ask that you do the absolute bare minimum to NOT become a node of contagion?”

            • Just A Citizen says:

              It is not the same argument as vaccination, because vaccination is not an option. Therefore you can only protect yourself.

              It matters not that my coworker is infected from some unknown source or a stupid party.

              I have to wear a mask, eye protection, full clothing, gloves AND stay 6 ft or more apart. All of this is to protect me, not him/her.

              It spreads for two reasons. Those infected and those who don’t practice safe social interaction.

              IF what the Govt experts are saying is true, then you are not threatened by some clown getting exposed.

              • Mathius says:

                IF what the Govt experts are saying is true, then you are not threatened by some clown getting exposed.

                I don’t know what source of information you’re using…

                Could you site what you’re referring to?

            • Just A Citizen says:


              “Could you site what you’re referring to?” Govt suggest protective measures. These measures are supposed to protect you from infection. These combined with stay at home are to reduce the rate of spread.

              You have to approach each stranger as if they are infected. YOU have to take precautions.

              So what is really at the core of all this complaining about others is the fear that the “protection measures” will not really protect us. Just kind of protect some of us and maybe some and maybe not some.

              • Mathius says:

                “Could you site what you’re referring to?” Govt suggest protective measures. These measures are supposed to protect you from infection. These combined with stay at home are to reduce the rate of spread.

                Maybe I misread you before, but you seemed to imply that these measures are fullproof, which they are not.

                It is possible to do everything right and still get infected.

                Some people HAVE to leave the house. If they HAVE to go to work and can’t wear full biohazard gear all day, or have to go shopping or or or or or or.

                Yes, you can behave in a way which minimizes your risk… and you should… and you should regardless of whether there’s an active pandemic.. but your risk isn’t zero.

                The behavior of others impacts your odds.

                And assholes wantonly risking infection aren’t just wantonly risking THEIR own health. That would be just fine with me, and Darwin-approved. But they are walking amongst us, visiting the same grocery stores you are, coughing in the hallways, peeing on your front porch, using the same bathrooms, touching the same doorknobs. And your caution IS NOT fullproof.

      • Mathius says:

        As a thought experiment, let’s imagine this wasn’t COVID, but Spanish Flu or, better yet, straight up Plague.

        It’s killing 30% – men, women, children, sick and healthy. Just.. if you catch it, you have a 1/3 shot of dying. Add to that the inevitable choking of the hospital system and all the knock-on effects there.

        Ok, so this is bad.

        Now, some idiots think “hey, I know better than the CDC!” And go out and defy the lockdown, get infected and spread it.

        And people die.

        Should they be charged with negligent homicide? Should you call the cops if you see a neighbor throwing a party with 50 people? If a parent takes their kid to a plague party, should they have their kids taken away from them and placed in protective custody?

        It’d be one thing if they’re just endangering themselves. I’ve always been a proponent of letting people make whatever stupid choices they want to make and reap their own rewards. But this is something else. Here they’re making their choices, but the consequences don’t end there.

        I think at a 30% death rate, you’ll agree that extremes of this nature are warranted. Total lockdown, martial law, etc. But at 0.2%, maybe not? But what about 20% or 10%? Where do you draw the line? 1%? How much risk are other idiots allowed to take with YOUR life?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          OK, I will take a swing:

          Should they be charged with negligent homicide? YES, seems appropriate given the givens you stated. In short, common knowledge that you can get someone dead.

          Should you call the cops if you see a neighbor throwing a party with 50 people? NO, that is their stupid business.

          If a parent takes their kid to a plague party, should they have their kids taken away from them and placed in protective custody? NO. The family should suffer the outcome and see #1.

          I do not agree that Martial Law is needed, called for or otherwise. Even if there is a RISK or even certainty that 30% of us will die in the next year or two. Marshall Law should only be used in times of massive riot and unrest, and even then it is too easily abused. In fact in a supposed free society I am not sure it can ever be justified.

          Ask ………. Don’t Tell.

          Take care of your own safety, assuming others are infected.

          That is all.

          • Mathius says:

            Should you call the cops if you see a neighbor throwing a party with 50 people? NO, that is their stupid business.

            Ok, fine… but again, those people might infect you. Maybe one sneezes on your car handle as he’s leaving?

            Sure, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe… lots of maybes…. but at the end of the day, his choice creates an increase in the odds that you’ll get sick.

            As a one-off, whatever, but as a class of “people cheating the system,” they severely weaken the effectiveness of the lockdown.

            Just like if 10% of people decide to forego vaccines… sure, they’re putting themselves at risk, but they’re also putting everyone else for whom the vaccine didn’t work, who was immuno-compromises, or too young to get vaccinated at risk.

            If a parent takes their kid to a plague party, should they have their kids taken away from them and placed in protective custody? NO. The family should suffer the outcome and see #1.

            Ok, fine.. but then if they send those kids to school…..?

            Even if there is a RISK or even certainty that 30% of us will die in the next year or two. Marshall Law should only be used in times of massive riot and unrest,

            I 100% guarantee you that even 10% death rates would cause massive riots, looting, and civil unrest.

            and even then it is too easily abused.


            In fact in a supposed free society I am not sure it can ever be justified.

            I struggle with this, as you know…

            Ask ………. Don’t Tell.

            Can’t find it now, but I was just reading about a roommate who refused to stop having friends over despite the other roommate being immunocompromised.. something along the lines of “you can’t tell me what to do – I pay rent, too!”

            Asking is nice when it works with civilized, responsible, mature human beings.

            Unfortunately, many of us are pieces of shit.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              And a meteor MIGHT hit tomorrow. Or a bird MIGHT fly straight into me and kill me. MIGHT, MIGHT, MIGHT…….. some unknown day in the future at some unknown location and time.

              His infection has not changed my odds at all. That is if the protection measures are true.
              And if they are not, then I doubt it would change the equation. Because the odds of me catching it are not related to who has it, but HOW DO I BEHAVE in public. Remember, we have no idea who is infected so you have to act as if they all are anyway.

              There is NO SCHOOL…….. WHAT IF………MIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              OK, we agree on that last part. So I am going to put you in jail because there is a shit head living somewhere down the street, maybe.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Since you are big on probability answer this one.

              Me and the wife go shopping together instead of just me. She claims we just “doubled” OUR chances of being infected. I call BS on that and tried to explain. She wouldn’t talk to me the rest of the day.

              Who was right? Provide your explanation or proof.

              • Mathius says:

                She claims we just “doubled” OUR chances of being infected.


                She was wrong.

                You can tell her I said so.

                Actually, um… don’t tell her I said so.. tell her Gman said so.. I want to live.

                If someone is infected, the odds that he’ll infect one or both of you* IS greater than the odds if you go alone, but not double.


                An easier to digest way of thinking of it might be this: suppose I place a small bomb in your living room. It is powerful enough that it has a 50% chance of killing anyone in the room. What are the odds of one or both of you dying if (A) I’m in the room alone or (B) we’re both in the room?

                Alone it’s 50%, obviously.

                Together, it’s 75%.


                * you should operate on the assumption that if either of you gets infected, that’s a “loss” since you’ll almost certainly give it to everyone else in your household. That is, if either of you get it, it should be considered as if you both got it.

  8. Just A Citizen says:



    Note: In response to someone ripping on Libertarians and what their views were on this issue, he supported State enforced stay at home and thought Libertarians should be jailed for saying otherwise, I responded with:

    The Govt. should ASK me to stay at home, NOT ORDER me and certainly not send the National Guard or Sheriff to my door to make sure I am complying.

    As I said the other day, Freedom and Liberty have to rule, they are the primary. If a free society lacks the discipline and personal responsibility required to respond to a pandemic/epidemic then “so be it”. We get what we have earned as a Nation.

  9. Just A Citizen says:
  10. thelonestarconnection says:


    Words to live by.

  11. Mathius says:

    Update on cousin: She’s been let out of the hospital on strict orders to self-isolate. No one in or out unless it’s an emergency.

    She’s not feeling well, but doesn’t need a bed at this moment. They said they’d like to keep her for observation, but need the beds, so unless she reaaaally wanted to stay, they asked her to go home.

    Interesting that it was her choice, but I don’t expect that to last over the next few weeks. Triage will be the name of the game and the non-criticals are going to get hydrated and sent packing.

    They’ve set up check-ins every 3 hours during the day with a gap overnight for sleep. If she doesn’t answer the phone, they’ll automatically send an ambulance on the assumption that she turned South (again, this is a disease that doesn’t always go bad, but when it does, it goes bad fast).

    They’ve got some fancy remote monitoring thing-a-ma-bob, like an ankle bracelet, but they’re short on those, too, and didn’t want to give it to her unless she reeeeeeeeaaaallly wanted it.

    They gave her antibiotics for pneumonia she apparently has developed and told her to expect to feel like garbage for two more weeks.


    Brother in law still high fever, bed ridden, no official diagnosis.

    His wife called to beg us for a thermometer since she can’t get one anywhere. We overnighted ours. Turns out she wanted a spare thermometer in case she or her kid get fevers so she wouldn’t have to share with my brother-in-law. Yeaaah… she needed our only one so she could have a spare. Not gonna lie.. a bit pissed about that.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Matt, now you see what I mean when I quote the old sarge, “Too dumb to live”.

      • Mathius says:

        Negative on that one, SKT. This isn’t dumb, it’s assholic entitlement.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          This isn’t dumb, it’s assholic entitlement. Hmmm……………………Mathius said this?

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Not gonna lie.. a bit pissed about that. Shall I send a raptor?

  12. Mathius says:

    The Mathius household has acquired chickens.

    Now, despite specific instructions to keep their faces away from beaks, my 7 now has a pretty good scratch on her cheek.

    Waaaay too close to the eye for comfort. But, well, that’s how we learn important life lessons.

    We’re going to have fresh eggs through the apocalypse and, if things go bad enough, fresh chicken, too.

    Meanwhile, the dog is thrilled to bark at them from a safe distance, but terrified to get too close. Not much of a ferocious hunter, that one…

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Of course, we all know that everything you need is grown in a Wal-mart!

  13. Just A Citizen says:


    Did you see the info and links I left for you in case you want a new game for the kids?

    They were on the previous chapter.

  14. Just A Citizen says:


    Wife vs Me vs. Mathius on odds of infection. Sir Mathius, your example which concluded a 75% probability of one or both of us dying is the WRONG example/solution.

    We are told this thing is pretty much 100% contagious. That is the odds of me getting it if I am exposed to an infected person. It is the same for my wife.

    If I go out and am exposed, I am now infected. I come home, wife is now infected.

    We both go out and are exposed. We both are now infected.

    My Conclusion which I shared………. The Probability is the SAME whether one of us goes or both of us goes.

    This can only change if the probability of being infected is less than 100%. Lets say it is 80%. If exposed I have an 80% of being infected. If we both get exposed the same 80% applies to each of us.

    If I go out alone, again 80%. Then I go home, she has 80% chance of getting it from me. 80% of 80% = 64% chance for her getting infected if I go out alone. Which means that the probability of BOTH getting it, if I go alone, is 64% as well. Because the BOTH is contingent upon her getting it which is 64%.

    Obviously 80% is not double 64%. Now for the correct answer which did not require any math.

    Regardless of the probability, my claiming her conclusion was FALSE was the CORRECT answer. Either way, it got me half a day of peace and quiet. 🙂

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      JAC….your post is exactly the reason we need to get out and run and scream and kill things…….You have had waaaay to much time to think on this…and we are quickly running out of subjects to talk about. Our SUFA family……all 6 or 8 of us….is fun. Even Mathius and that Pirate of his…..

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Yes Sir. Sun is out today for a break. Snow tomorrow.

        But TODAY I think I will get the new tractor out and prep a small building site for………….em…………..uh………… a small……………errrrr……greenhouse. Going to go with 10 x 20 only because I can avoid building permits. Also easier to do myself with Lil’ JAC holding the other end of boards. Won’t be glass but probably double wall polycarbonate w/ wood frame structure.

        Hope all is well in the land of Texas. Give your SUL a big hug for me and a howdy from mine to yours.

    • Mathius says:

      We are told this thing is pretty much 100% contagious. That is the odds of me getting it if I am exposed to an infected person. It is the same for my wife.

      Unless you’re both actively undergoing chemotherapy, I’d say this is absolute bullshit and whoever said this to you is a mouth-breathing moron.

  15. thelonestarconnection says:

    I can tell that none of you, except JAC, understands that telling a golfer he cannot go out and play golf by himself, walking, carrying his own clubs….is…..is…..is….worse than sacrilegious….is…..is….is worse than pouring all the Red Bull in the world down the drain……is…..is…..is worse than setting fire to the Hammer…….

    Keeping us off the golf course is tantamount to martial law……keeping us off the golf course in any situation…………..is…………………I just have no words.

    • Insanity

    • Just A Citizen says:


      Did you see the Ausie POTUS is telling all the VISITORS to go home. He may get cheers from his citizens but one thing is for sure.

      IF he shuts down the golf courses in Australia they will hang him till he squeals then they will draw and quarter him. The parts will be fed to the Chinese Pot Belly Pigs. Then they will slaughter the pigs and use them to chum the GREAT WHITES away from the beaches.

      Golf to an Aussie? Football to a Texan. Simple as that.

      P.S. Played a couple of the prettiest courses I ever did see, one outside Sydney and another at Gold Coast.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Have played at Gold Coast before…never played any of the courses at Sydney……Gold Coast has a great course.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          I played the one where they held the Aussie equiv. of the LPGA. Probably the same course you played.

          The one near Sydney was on the coast. They said it was their version of Pebble Beach. Some holes were down right windy.

  16. Just A Citizen says:


    My dear Texican Brother……….. how long and wide is your green house? Main body, not including the entrance.

    Got the ground cleared and leveled. After some discussion we are thinking it needs to be bigger.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      15′ wide x 26′ long……apex 10.5 feet (give or take an inch). I have two 8×4 work benches sitting end to end….plenty of walk space. I have shelves along both sides running the length and it is all glass, as you know. There is a mister running the length of it and water plumbed to both ends to attach a hose.

      I have rolled up hail protection on the roof that I can roll down in severe weather. Be sure to include working vents along the apex for the really hot days….and fans. I keep the temp inside around 55 in the winter and 85 in the summer.

      Helpful hint: Do not follow the guidelines on crushed granite for the floor. If you remember, I put the work tables in the center end to end and have 16 inch walkways around the outside of the work tables. Directly under the tables, I have medium size river rock. I used 16 inch smooth concrete blocks for the walkway. I tried the crushed granite and it simply does not work.

      If you want, I can take a pic and post it here or I can send to your email a set of pics. I doubt that many here want to see a green house.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Those are inside measurements, by the way.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I have a picture. Thanks for the measurements. After laying out a 10 x 20 I started thinking more like 16 x 20. Which is pretty close to yours. First thing I noticed with 10 wide was lack of room for a center bench, and then no room for growing tomatoes vertically.

        Or we may go back to the 10 x 20 for now and use hoop houses for all the other growing, like tomatoes,etc.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          actually, were it my call, I would go ahead and just suck it up and build the 16×20…you will find out that you will use the space.

          I am going to try and experiment, however. I am going to try to grow tomatoes and squash upside down from a center rafter. Been studying that.

  17. Dale A Albrecht says:

    An old family friend who lives in upstate NY is going bat shit crazy with the lockdow. Obviously you can go to the store, but she said I’m 90 years old, I’m going for a drive tomorrow. What are they going to do to me?

    • Mathius says:

      No, NOT Trump’s fault. But he sure as hell could have done a lot better and been better prepared.

      • Please share how you think Trump could have done better and been better prepared?

        • Well, let’s see, shall we?

          Reuters: “several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China” Because it wouldn’t have been helpful to have officials onsite or anything.

          NBC: “In May 2018, President Donald Trump’s biodefense preparedness adviser warned that a flu pandemic was the country’s No. 1 health security threat, and the U.S. was not prepared. ” yet… here we are… two years later… still massively unprepared.

          WaPo (2018): “The top White House official responsible for leading the US Response in the event of a deadly pandemic has left the administration, and the global health security team he oversaw has been disbanded under a reorganization by national security adviser John Bolton.

          The abrupt departure of Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer from the National Security Council means no senior administration official is now focused solely on global health security. Ziemer’s departure, along with the breakup of his team, comes at a time when many experts say the country is already underprepared for the increasing risks of a pandemic or bioterrorism attack.

          (though, of course, he takes “no responsibility”)

          Politico: “In a tabletop exercise days before an untested new president took power, officials briefed the incoming administration on a scenario remarkably like the one he faces now.” […] “The Trump team was told it could face specific challenges, such as shortages of ventilators, anti-viral drugs and other medical essentials, and that having a coordinated, unified national response was “paramount” — warnings that seem eerily prescient given the ongoing coronavirus crisis.” Because being given nearly this exact scenario and doing nothing is successful leadership?

          Trump has repeatedly lied, sent mixed messages, politicized, and muddied the water on this. Please don’t make me dig up quotes. You know he talked about it being only a few cases that would go away and that anyone wanted a test could have one and that he wants full pews on Easter, etc. While the CDC is telling everyone to stay home if they can, he’s saying he wants packed pews.

          He lied about some massive coordination effort with Google and 1700 engineers at Google to create a nationwide website to coordinate testing.

          I could go on, but I have some work to get done. Have fun nitpicking and pointing fingers elsewhere.

          • Let’s go point by point:

            1. China has not been honest from the beginning and would not let our people in Wuhan when asked. Why do you think this one individual would have been treated differently?

            2. The Fed’s are very prepared, the States, like NY are not. Had Cuomo acted in 2015, he would have been better prepared….epic fail on the governor.

            3. Obama’s security team disbanded by Trump. Why pay for people to sit around and wait when a new, better team can be formed as needed? Waste of money by Obama.

            4. People quit because they disagree, get over it. Not everyone get’s their way.

            5. This Table Top, like many others that happen all the time, is an exercise to determine a hospitals response to numerous issues. Claims made by them are just guesses based on worst case, made up scenarios. OH, it was funded by the Bill Gates Foundation. I’ve been on many table tops, they usually result in…..nothing.

            As far as the rest…BULLSHIT!!!! 😛

            • Have fun nitpicking and pointing fingers elsewhere.

              Seems I was right….


              1. Obfuscation. That they lie their asses off (true) does not mean that having an asset in place could not have helped get us vital information earlier.

              2. Gman: “Please share how you think Trump could have done better and been better prepared?”
              Mathius “like this…”
              Gman: bUt CuOmO!! o_O

              3. Why be PROactive when we can be REactive?

              4. He quit.. so rather than replace him with another professional, they said “screw it!” and disbanded the whole team? Did his resignation somehow mean that a pandemic was no longer a possibility?

              5. Gates pretty much called this almost verbatim 5 years ago. Maybe there’s some value in listening to the guy who has been such an incredible business success AND so clearly has humanity’s interests at heart?

              6. Of course… everything that is critical of your Dear Leader is bullshit.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                You actually didn’t provide a list of things he could have done that WOULD have made an impact. You simply listed the standard complaints of the Democrats and Hate Trump crowd and then ASSUMED or CLAIMED it would have been different.

                Read the links I provided and then put the pieces together based on what was actually happening at the time. Then revisit the question. What could MR. TRUMP HAVE DONE.

                In doing so, please note that any POTUS would not have been able to do anything in particular when it might have made a real difference.

              • Mathius says:

                As I say, I don’t think he’s “at fault” here.. shit happens.

                Pandemics happen.

                This could just as easily have happened under Obama or Bush or Clinton. And I shudder to think what being shut in with my family for months at a time without internet would be like.

                All I’m saying is that he could have handled it better and that there were warnings which were either ignored or not fully capitalized on.

                Can you tell me with a straight face that, if, for example, Obama had dismantled the pandemic response team right before a pandemic, that SUFA wouldn’t be shitting a brick over it and calling for his head?

          • Just A Citizen says:
          • Just A Citizen says:
          • Just A Citizen says:


            One thing in this story doesn’t align with some reports I read last month. Those stated that CDC did have people on the ground in Wuhan pretty quickly after the first reports by the Chinese. These people were gathering information but not there to provide assistance. Which by the way, is no more or less than the biohazard person would have been able to do.


            • Mathius says:

              I seem to recall hearing that China wouldn’t let our personnel in, but what do I know?

              It would certainly jive with the fact that they’ve been lying and hiding the scope of the disease, the draconian measures they’ve taken to stop it, and the number of bodies they’ve almost certainly cremated.

              Without knowing anything else, I can say that, since China is lying and hiding things (because, you know.. China), that letting our personnel in would be problematic for them.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Which means that the person who was assigned to China would not have made any difference.

          • Just A Citizen says:
            • Mathius says:

              Anecdotally, I’ve noticed an uptick in REPORTS about pneumonia. My cousin (now home) has it after getting COVID. Kenny Rogers just died of it, too.

              This, in no way, should be construed as actual evidence, but it wouldn’t shock me to find that a large number or COVID deaths are being quietly classed / misclassed and pneumonia and, whether deliberately or not, keeping the reported death toll from COVID down.

              It’ll be interesting to see if, once the numbers are published, there’s a conspicuous spike in pneumonia deaths around this time.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                Where do you get this stuff? The actual is the opposite. CDC and some other entity has provided guidance that includes as Covid deaths any death the certifier THINKS might be related to Covid. Doesn’t even require an actual test, just opinion.

                As for the Pneumonia it was going around before Covid hit. I started and the wife had it worse, mid to late February. We are still considered high risk even though we are cleared up. Because it was nasty enough to the system and all coughing still hasn’t passed. Remember, last year had TWO waves of flu. The second resulted in many cases of Pneumonia more than the first wave.

  18. thelonestarconnection says:

    Farmers are beginning to have trouble down here with their early cops of spinach, potatoes, and onions……nothing that a butt load of rock salt can’t cure. People are stealing crops….and they are not even ready for picking yet except spinach. Butt, a good butt load of rock salt is a pretty decent deterrent. That and a well placed 30.06 bullet through the engine block.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Got a few AP rounds left over from the ’50’s if you need them.

    • Mathius says:

      Just to be clear – you’re saying that folks in Texas are panicked / desperate enough to steal crops that aren’t even ready for harvest?

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        YUP…….young people mainly…….under 30……so the reports go. They are even picking “green” peaches. Really stupid.

  19. This stuff is maddening from these idiots:


  20. U.S.—Joe Biden is once again causing a stir with his wacky sayings and nonstop gaffes. In a recent interview with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, Biden topped himself with his bizarre and hilarious comments.

    When asked how he would handle the public health crisis, Joe Biden turned and looked directly into the camera exclaiming, “Help me! I don’t want to do this anymore!” Some thought he was trying to send a message but mostly everyone just laughed! “This may be his silliest quote yet,” said one offscreen reporter struggling to suppress her laughter. “The man is just a machine at coming up with nonsensical one-liners.”
    “No seriously, I don’t know how much time I have here. They’re not letting me see my grandkids!” Biden continued. “I don’t want to be president. I want my rocking chair, nap time, ginger snaps and bingo!” But everyone just laughed even harder. “It must be another one of Biden’s classic old-timey references.” Others said, “Oh Biden! What a character!”
    Biden then shook his head, blinking several times and looking visibly confused. He then managed to get out two coherent sentences before calling Wolf Blitzer a lying dog-faced pony soldier and challenging him to a push-up contest. The interview ended abruptly after security was forced to step in and pull him off-camera.
    Democratic viewers at home collectively shrugged and said, “He’s still got my vote.”

  21. Did anyone here happen to see the guy who detrained a train trying to crash it into one of the hospital ships? What a crazy world we live in that that barely registered as a blip on the radar.

    • Yeah, I saw it. Look at it this way- there are crazy people doing crazy things constantly, unless someone dies or is badly hurt, it’s an eye roll , shake your head moment.

    • I saw this. Big freaking lunatic.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      No, but I did see it on the news and the story was on several websites. Today there is an effort to link this guy to Mr. Trump spreading across the web.

  22. “Finding out that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs, so what we’ve been telling people from directives from the CDC for weeks now that if you start feeling bad, stay home… those individuals could’ve been infecting people before they ever felt bad. But we didn’t know that until the last 24 hours. And as Dr. Toomey told me, this is a game changer for us.”
    Georgia Governor Brian Kemp (R-of course)
    April 2, 2020


    APRIL 2ND?!?

    He just found this out? I get, you know, average Joe who just doesn’t follow or can’t follow or is baffled by all the information, maybe failed highschool bio. Sure. But this guy’s a governor. There is no way he doesn’t have access to someone who can sit him down and brief him. And he JUST found out that it’s contagious asymptomatically.

    This is what happens when you elect morons.

    You know what, scratch that. That isn’t just stupidity.


    There is no way to be a governor of a state and NOT have at least that basic level of information without deliberately sticking your head in the sand.

    He CHOSE not to know.

    As the governor of a state, as the leader of millions. As the man who, ultimately, has a duty to those people, he CHOSE not to do even the most basic level of due diligence and learn the most basic facts about this disease until months after everyone else.

    This is what happens when you elect willfully ignorant people.

    • “Finding out that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs, so what we’ve been telling people from directives from the CDC for WEEKS NOW…….

      Learn to read.

      • That is WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

        Yes, misquoting him sure is…:D

        • Try that again. Maybe I’m misunderstanding you…

          What he’d been telling people, per the CDC, is that if you don’t feel well to stay home. Which is – in fact – something they’ve been saying.

          But then he goes on…. “those individuals could’ve been infecting people before they ever felt bad. But we didn’t know that until the last 24 hours.”

          THAT is the part I’m raising my eybrows over.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      We don’t elect people based on actual knowledge or competency. We elect them based on how well the speak, how they make us feel, if they pick the right slogans, and whether or not they are good looking.

      I have been around enough career political types in my life to know that the sum of what they know is politics and only politics. For the most part they are egotistical props for those that surround them and actually run things.

      Which is one reason I always pay attention to who is standing in the background during election season.

      • Mathius says:

        We don’t elect people based on actual knowledge or competency. We elect them based on how well the speak, how they make us feel, if they pick the right slogans, and whether or not they are good looking.

        True, and absolutely horrific.

        I have been around enough career political types in my life to know that the sum of what they know is politics and only politics

        I told my wife just yesterday that I, even though I agree with Cuomo in terms of what he’s saying and doing and that he generally has the right idea, that I wished I could believe he actually meant ANY of it rather than just believing that he, like all such politicians, is a sociopath who has figured out that this is the best tactical approach for him to take to gain approval. I firmly believe that Cuomo would happily and enthusiastically join Team Trump and parrot his every word and tweet if he thought that that was the most likely path to his own success.

        Which is one reason I always pay attention to who is standing in the background during election season.

        Well, then, maybe what you really need to wonder is.. who is beneath the mask…

  23. Finally hit the grocery store at the right time to get some more toilet paper. 20 dollars for 18 rolls. 😡

  24. Mathius says:


    Just a thought, an observation.. it seems to me that we are not responding to this pandemic as a country, but as 50 separate states.

    That seems flawed to me.

    Whether it is or is not all it’s cracked up to be, for Florida to still be hosting Spring Breakers and then sending them back out to the rest of the country really defeats the purpose of social distancing for the states that ARE trying to do it.

    For the Georgia (?) governor to announce shelter-in-place less than a week ago, when NY has been doing it for a month-ish…..

    You can’t have part of the country trying to contain it and another part saying “screw it” and letting it run rampant. That’s like part of your household trying to isolate, but one member goes to the infectious wing of the hospital without any protection and licks doorknobs before returning home each day.

    Then, when they all have it, he’s going to point at the rest of his family and say “see, you got it anyway – your isolation efforts were pointless and hurt the economy for no reason!”

    It seems to me that we should all be rowing in the same direction, and we aren’t. What do you make of that? What are your thoughts?

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Mathius….I have a better on than the Georgia guy for you. If I knew how to post it on here I would but Google….” Houston Mayor pleads with criminals to take a break until the Pandemic is over.” You have to read it to believe it.

      • Mathius says:

        Hey, can’t hurt to ask, can it?

        Meanwhile, NYC reports crime is way down… so, there’s that..

    • Just A Citizen says:


      I ASSURE YOU WE ARE NOT RESPONDING TO THIS AS 50 SEPARATE STATES. Certain Governors and media just want you to think that is the case.

      What you are seeing is a National system which includes responsibilities at all levels that is being stressed to its limits. And there is NOTHING that could have been done to prepare for this that would have been politically palatable at the time. It is not in our nature to prepare for the 100 or 500 year event.

      Some of the stress or shortages being reported daily are panic by Governors or Medical people trying to get stuff before they actually need it, when they may not need it. Meanwhile, because of the push for more centralized response the first line of defense, Doc offices and clinics, is going without. Everyone is focused on hospitals and ventilators.

      The local Doc’s and Clinics could be handled by in State efforts, in my view. But it would take ignoring some Federal regulations and for people to stop making a federal issue out of a Doctor having to use a Trash Bag for protective clothing. Who the hell cares as long as it works.

      One other thought on the supply/support; fed vs. state issue. I doubt that any of the scenarios that have ever been run identified the kind of shortage in protective equipment. Because I doubt people realize how DISPOSABLE this stuff is and how often it should be thrown away when dealing with highly contagious stuff.

      We need to RETHINK how we prepare for Pandemic situations. That is my take. I think all the plans made to date have identified some real weak links that need to be dealt with. One is Protective gear for the regular citizens.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        b> One is Protective gear for the regular citizens.

        JAC…stores are full of protective gear in normal times. I have two suits of protective gear but do not wear them….The stores are normally full of masks and gloves and toilet paper….why anyone waits until an emergency is beyond me.

        • Mathius says:

          Protective gear for the regular citizens.

          Around here, all you have to do is don a MAGA hat and everyone will stay 20 feet away from you at all times.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          That is true, but only to a point. The DEMAND for personal protection gear is now far higher than it was before. Even if most of the country had prepped ahead.

          I had some extras N95 masks because that is what I use for sanding and finish work, or when clearing out parts of the barn. Just happened we had spent two months doing that kind of work and used up my masks. Went to Home Depot about two weeks to a week before someone pushed the panic button. TP was still in the stores. But the N95 masks were gone along with the cheaper crappy ones. After seeing what happened in Australia I am wondering just who made such an early run on these supplies.

    • Even if all of the states do everything possible, we are still screwed because Mexico isn’t doing jack to stop it, so if we somehow managed to eradicate it here, it will just walk across the border and start again.

  25. Mathius says:


    I’ve heard it said: we may never know if we overreacted to COVID-19, but we will certainly know if we underreacted.

    What are your thoughts on this?

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Interesting thought. So…I wonder what an example of over estimating would be…and an example of under estimating. How subjective would this be?

      • Mathius says:

        We may never know if the invasion of Normandy was overkill.. but we sure as hell would have known if it wasn’t enough.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I think it is a stupid statement. Primarily because it is kind of based on the assumption that drastic measures should be taken. Do Nothing is really not in the cards and thus how would you ever know if you over or under reacted. The assumption is that anything less than overkill is worse.

      But I will expand further where you raise the more complete question.

      • Mathius says:

        That’s interesting, because it’s not AT ALL what I got.

        What I got is that “success” looks an awful lot like “overreacted.” Which is to say FEWER dead people, the hospital system doesn’t collapse, society remains stable, etc.

        Conversely, “failure” (read underreacted) looks distinct from the above as MORE dead people, system collapse, rioting, looting, etc.


        If we succeed in flattening the curve OR if the curve didn’t need flatting in the first place, either way, it looks similar. So how are we – post hoc – to know which was the case?

        Conversely, if we don’t do enough, then this goes into the nightmare scenarios, and that failure is obvious.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          I understand what you were getting at and see below for more explanation.

          But I still think it a stupid statement as it was made by a Govt. official. Instead of quaint statements like this an explanation of the TRUTH would have been nice.

          In short yes, if you prevent something then some people can always say what you did wasn’t necessary because the effect of your efforts made it look inconsequential.

          But as I say below………….only to the unthinking, which includes the media and most politicians.

          • Mathius says:

            only to the unthinking, which includes the media and most politicians.

            You forgot to include 98% of the American populace.

  26. Mathius says:


    Let’s assume, for the sake of this question, that COVID is the holy terror that they’re making it out be, that the hospital system would collapse under the strain, that millions would die, etc.

    Given all that, what are your thoughts on this?

    if we do this right, everything we’ve done will feel like an overreaction. That is how we’ll know we succeeded.

    It seems to me apparent that, if they’re right, and if we do all this stuff, and it winds up mitigating the outbreak, then the outbreak won’t be that bad. Consequently, it will feel like we overreacted.

    Then people are going to kick and scream and whine about the destruction of the economy for nothing. Certainly, the right will blame Cuomo et al for drumming up hysterics in an attempt to destroy the economy in advance of an election. (And, to be fair, I wouldn’t be entirely convinced that they were wrong)

    I suppose it will be obvious if certain states which don’t take it seriously get creamed and others are fine.. or perhaps vs other countries.. but that’s going to take careful analysis to control for things like population density and how developed the infrastructure and medical system are.. so I don’t put much credit in this convincing people once it becomes a hindsight political question (“how did MY team do?”)

    I suppose it’s possible that this pushes us riiiiigggggghhhhhtttt up to the breaking point, so that we really feel the undeniable strain, and then get through it. Or that we just blow past the breaking point and lots of people die. Then the complaint will be that we didn’t do enough and a lot of politicians (including “full pews on Easter” Trump) will get creamed.

    But if we do manage to successfully “lower the curve,” how can people be convinced they “succeeded” rather than “overreacted”?

    And, more to the point, next time – because there WILL BE a “next time” – how do we convince people to take it seriously again when they look back and think this time was a pointless overreaction?

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      And, more to the point, next time – because there WILL BE a “next time” – how do we convince people to take it seriously again when they look back and think this time was a pointless overreaction?

      This is what bothers me the most. Here is MY PERSONAL point of view. This is a flu virus for which we do not have a vaccine. It is new. There was nothing that could have been done to prevent this. I have seen no characteristics in this virus that is any different than most. Like any other virus, you protect yourself when there is an outbreak. Every year in Fort Worth, some school or schools get closed for a week to sanitize…..some restaurants close to do the same during flu season.

      There will always be a flu season. Every year there will be a flu season. People die from the flu in tens of thousands. every single year the flu deaths are enormous. But to make it a National or World issue………..the jury is still out for me.

      • Mathius says:

        I have seen no characteristics in this virus that is any different than most.

        It is marginally more deadly than the typical flu.

        it is more contagious than the typical flu.

        Treatment involves ventilators at a higher probability and longer duration than typical flu.

        But to make it a National or World issue………..the jury is still out for me.

        The epidemiologists who know more about this than either of us, all seem to think this would have been a pretty terrible “flu season” if left unchecked.

        What is telling – to me – is that China basically shut itself down.

        China doesn’t give a single fuck about anyone or anything except China, and for them to shoot their economy in the foot the way they did after Wuhan tells me that this scared the pants off the Party.

        That’s a group of sociopaths who believe that the plausible downside scenario is so bad it threatens the Party itself.

        In the US, we might do something stupid like destroy our economy because we’re a bunch of kneejerk reactionaries all straining in separate directions. But for a central planning all-powerful fascist government which doesn’t value its citizens’ lives at all to shoot their economy in the foot………… no, sir. They had every incentive to ignore it and sweep it under the rug and they did not. That is a very valuable data point.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          That is a very valuable data point. Yes…agreed………but there is something out there that still bothers me….can’t put a finger on it and that bothers me more. There…..is….something……………something……………………………….I just feel that there is an ambush out there……as it pertains to China, that is. Spidey senses are screaming…….yelling in my head all night………

          Driving….me….crazy……..crazy, I say.

    • Just A Citizen says:


      “if we do this right, everything we’ve done will feel like an overreaction. That is how we’ll know we succeeded.” NO. We will only know whether we actually flattened the curve or not. Then we will have to deal with the second wave. And then we will say we have to flatten that wave as well. We either will or won’t.

      All this rhetoric is leading us down the merry path of believing this is going to be over in a month or two. Sorry folks, the actual long term models show it blowing up again as soon as we reduce restrictions.

      Now for your thought: “It seems to me apparent that, if they’re right, and if we do all this stuff, and it winds up mitigating the outbreak, then the outbreak won’t be that bad. Consequently, it will feel like we overreacted.” There is some truth in this but only as it relates to the lazy brained or reactionaries on either side of the issue. Especially the anarchist types who always think this is a conspiracy and then drive trains off their tracks in hopes of sinking a hospital ship. We see this already in statements which try to downplay Covid because the death rate isn’t currently as high as normal flu. If we shut down the country each fall the flu wouldn’t be as deadly either.

      The rest of your thoughts I think can be accurately captured with: YES, most people, especially the politicians and media, will turn this into a political football. The likes of which we have never seen. To a large extent they already have. Bitching at Trump for not doing A then bitching at Trump for doing A when he changes course.

      I do think there will be an opportunity to see how different strategies play out in the “long term”. Comparing States right now is just more political carping in my view. Short of a US wide Mandatory Quarantine of everyone, this thing was gong to spread. Only question was how fast and far and whether the Doctors could prevent massive death once you caught it.

      But there is another problem in the long term comparison. The effect of federal orders and other state orders which affect a separate state. Idaho, has had stay at home for some time. But we did not shut down as much as Washington, and Oregon is more like Idaho. But all three are linked economically. People migrate across the borders to work and back each day.

      Those states that have not shut down will probably be in the same boat as everyone else in the long run. They may just get there sooner as the rural areas and smaller cities become infected sooner than those states that tried to stop people from moving around.

      Bottom line: The analysis period is TWO YEARS at a minimum, not two months or three or even 6. TWO YEARS. MINIMUM.

      Then the challenge is this: How do we restart the economy, to at least normal recession levels and not Great Depression, while preventing as many DEATHS as possible. Part of restarting has to be reduction of infections because really sick people can’t work either. We need to refocus on “How do we protect each person from infection while allowing them to go back to doing what they normally do”?

      The real short term challenge is not how to stop the virus. You can’t. But HOW DO WE STOP AN OUTBREAK OF CABIN FEVER FROM STARTING A CIVIL WAR?

      On this last one I have a question for you, young city dweller who took our advice and bought a farm to run off to when needed. What are you doing to reach out and connect with your farming neighborhood? Do you have contact with the country folks around you? Even if they are mostly gentrified farmers (visions of Abner sitting on his tractor in a suit).

      • Mathius says:

        Bottom line: The analysis period is TWO YEARS at a minimum, not two months or three or even 6. TWO YEARS. MINIMUM.


        Then the challenge is this: How do we restart the economy, to at least normal recession levels and not Great Depression, while preventing as many DEATHS as possible.

        Well, apparently the conventional wisdom is to print money and throw it at the corporations while giving some to the poors, too.

        (fun fact! The poor people get something, eg cash. The rich get something, eg bailouts for their companies. But, yet again, those us in the top 10-2% get BUPKIS.)

        What are you doing to reach out and connect with your farming neighborhood?

        Nothing. If the shit hits the fan, I’ll send up a flare, and I’m sure you and the colonel will send provision along with a hearty dose of crow to eat.

        (visions of Abner sitting on his tractor in a suit).

        All I can ever think of when I hear “Abner” is Mrs. Kravitz shouting “ABNER! ABNER!”

  27. thelonestarconnection says:

    I wonder………..no matter whom is in office……..is there any way that a pandemic or epidemic or a common cold….can NOT be politicized>

    ***slap, slap*** wake up you idiot. Quit dreaming!!!!

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Me thinks the CAT was sitting on your chest while you slept last night and sucked up to much of your Oxygen supply.

    • Mathius says:


      But I do like to compare the Right’s fevered panicking over Obama’s handling of Ebola with the left’s panicking over Trump’s handling of Covid.

      Ebola was never a threat to the US the way Covid was, but I seem to recall a certain person who shall remain nameless bitching about Obama’s willingness to bring home a potentially infected Ebola patient (US citizen), demanding that Obama apologize and resign if he tested positive.

      I seem to recall the abject horror on Fox News that the President was so wanton and terrible and inept that he didn’t take the crisis seriously and that he so obviously was unfit for the job and blah blah blah ought to be shot out of a cannon.

      Then I look back at many of those same smiling faces, and see them fawning over Trump’s handling of Covid which, while not exactly as terrible as the left makes it out to be, has been far from ideal.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        There is NO ideal solution……not under Obama and not under Trump….and spending 3 trillion dollars is not it either.

        • Mathius says:

          and spending 3 trillion dollars is not it either.


          Which is why 3T is just the tip of the iceberg.

          Trump’s going to have to throw another 3T at this before it’s over, and even that won’t be nearly enough.

          Say it with me…. Inflation………………..

          • thelonestarconnection says:

            The issue is…it should have been nothing. We do not need to bail out companies, send checks to everyone, and issue edicts. All we are doing is creating another entitlement mentality…..pretty soon we will be paying people to stay home with a sunburn.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        I think you need to do some checking. Just about everybody is getting something this time around. The only ones NOT getting something are those of us who are still working. No matter what income level you are in. And of course if you don’t owe a bunch of money to the universities or a hospital you don’t get nothing either.

        Do it right and you get to pay for every dope who did it wrong.

        My Son, the brainiac Economist and now CPA called last night. He was giving me the run down on the bailout bills as he spent the last two weeks dissecting them for his big clients. He has advised them NOT to take any of the money for employees. Do not keep employees who are not producing income just to feel good and get some tax credit down the road. Too many conditions and as happened last time, no guarantee they won’t decide to come back for it later.

        The other thing he did was get them all to max out their lines of credit right when the market turned south and bonds started to follow. Reason. In 2008 the Govt. halted lending in response to the financial crisis. We are in a financial crisis. Better to have borrowed now and keep cash in the bank than need it in 6 months and not be able to get it, or have to take some Govt. program to keep going.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        There is a huge difference in the two examples. But I agree that the howling keeps shifting directions depending on who is trying to hang who.

  28. Mathius says:

    Fox: “British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was moved to the intensive-care unit of St. Thomas’ Hospital in London after his coronavirus symptoms got worse, a spokesman told Fox News on Monday.”

  29. Just A Citizen says:


    From you comments above. You : “Can you tell me with a straight face that, if, for example, Obama had dismantled the pandemic response team right before a pandemic, that SUFA wouldn’t be shitting a brick over it and calling for his head?”

    No I cannot. But THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE ON THE TABLE. The issue is WHAT is it you thing Trump should have done that he did not do. Something actually within his power. The “team” that was eliminated from NSC was moved to infectious disease under Health and Welfare. This per Josh Bolton.

    What you are claiming is that Trump didn’t do something when he did what his experts were suggesting based on the various CDC links I provided.

    Even the claim that CDC and related programs were cut is FALSE. Even those he wanted cut were NOT CUT.

  30. Just A Citizen says:
  31. Canine Weapon says:

    (2nd attempt)

    • Mathius says:

      USUALLY, I find your comics to be total partisan garbage, but this one… well… I do believe there’s some real truth behind it.

      I do believe that this disease could be absolutely terrible as terrible or worse than the models if left unchecked (not “could,” not “would”)… so I do believe that extremes were called for. But that doesn’t change the fact that the powers that be within the Blue Team aren’t gleefully figuring out what this means for the election.

      Hell, it took me about 15 seconds after the reality of the situation sank in to start doing some political math and wondering if this shitty situation might come with a golden lining.

      • Yes, it makes sense. Politicians will attempt to use anything for political advantage, shamelessly. But, if there is a golden lining for Trump, it’s the cartoon below 😀

  32. U.S.—The stay-at-home orders most states have issued have caused a big change in family dynamics, as now many men who were out of the house and unavailable to help with daily chores are now home and available to carefully supervise.

    “I didn’t realize how much my wife did each day,” said David Lloyd, an accountant. “And she did it all without my input and helpful criticisms. Well, that’s changed now.”
    Evan Norman, a computer programmer, agreed. “Now is a time for me to finally help at home, by making sure everything gets done right,” said Norman. “Since the quarantine started, I’ve constantly paused my video game to give helpful suggestions on cleaning the house and handling the kids.”
    Experts do not know how much this increased supervision has increased the productivity of wives, as they have all just glared angrily in response to questions and have reminded us that, with this coronavirus, we should keep our distance.

    • I hear police chiefs are asking governors to ban the sale of rolling pins and frying pans.

    • Mathius says:

      My house has a room which we lovingly call the “Murder Room.”

      It is not accessible from inside the house but, rather, from a concealed entryway under our back deck.

      This room is not on any blueprints or official documents of our house, was not known to the previous owner, and was only discovered by accident when I was storing some stuff under the deck.

      In fact, no one has any idea where this room came from, why it’s there, how it came to be. Perhaps it was always there – waiting – and someone unknowingly built a house on top of it?

      The room is lined with cinderblocks and looks every bit the part for a Hollywood horror movie. All it is missing is the rusted chain hanging from the ceiling and the blood spatter.

      Now… this room… someday, I’m going to cross the line and do something like the above. And then, my wife is going to murder me.

      And she’s going to hide my body in the Murder Room.*

      And then she’s going to brick it up like the Cask of Amantido.

      And I will – 100% – have deserved my fate.


      If I’m very lucky, she’ll murder me first, then brick me in. Otherwise, I might eat a delicious dinner and feel suddenly very sleepy before waking up in a bricked-up room.

      • Shades of the Tell-Tale Heart.

        • Mathius says:

          I tell people this because when – not “if” – my body is eventually found in the Murder Room, I want to make sure that everyone understands that I absolutely deserved it and that my wife shouldn’t be punished.

          The secret to our 10 year (and counting!) marriage is that divorce has never been an option. But murder… murder has always been an option.

      • Just A Citizen says:


        You discovered a Root Celler that someone built after the House. Then some other owner came along and put a deck over the entry.

        Now create access put on an insulated door and enjoy storing food for the winter. Spuds, apples, onions, cabbage, winter squash and even home canned goods will store nicely there.

  33. While outside catching up on some maintenance issues, I couldn’t help but think about the Chinese numbers as compared to our numbers and have to really wonder how bad it was in China (if they were truthful).

    Overkill/underkill? This will be debated forever. It’s probably going to be some of both. But what if it has a second wave?

    After three great weather days, the wet stuff is back for a while. That means more time to pull Mathius’s chain 😛

    • We just had 3 days of rain so I am happy to pass it on. Had a dead tree finally fall. The tree is full of nails which is why I had not dropped it already. It was the last leg of a tripled forked oak that obviously housed a tree fort at some time. I ruined several chains on the other 2 forks. So when it dries out I have some clean up work to do.

  34. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/06/donald-trump-stumps-reporters-on-hhs-inspector-general-report/

    I don’t normally listen to Trump’s pressers but I was on the way to the drug store and heard the above in real time. The reporter asked for a comment on an HHS IG report that had a No. 1 finding that 70% of hospitals were complaining about a lack of test kits. Trump was immediately on the defensive and asked who the IG was and when were they appointed. The reporter did not know. It was obvious that Trump had not seen the report and was at a loss of how to respond. The correct response would have been, we will look it up and have the press secretary give you and answer. But after 3 years of these gotcha questions, he is suspicious and testy. I would be too. At this time, I was thinking when was this report done?

    Later the admiral comes on and states that he heard via the media about the report being released that morning. The data was from March 23-27, hence was two weeks old and out of date. Not only that he said if the IG had a serious concern, she should have picked up the phone and called them.

    So this was a stupid question not relevant to the current situation. My conclusions were that the report did not know the facts or was deliberately hiding them. The WH needs to institute IQ tests before passing out press passes.

    • Trump’s pressers are quite amusing. I also wonder how these reporters get hired with some of their stupid questions. Trump has the Libs sniffed out and is ready for their nonsense, makes something boring into a got to watch to see the wreck moment.

      • I also wonder how these reporters get hired with some of their stupid questions.

        Some of their stupid questions… like these?

        OANN: Mr. President, your approval ratings have been the highest they’ve ever been as well as your ratings on the handling of the virus, yet there are some networks that are saying they are debating whether to carry these briefings live. Do you think there’s a link between the two?

        OANN: Do you consider the term Chinese Food racist? Because it’s food that originates in China or has Chinese [origins]?

        OANN: On that note, major left-wing news media, even in this room, have teamed up with Chinese communist party narratives and they’re claiming you’re racist for making these claims about China [inaudible]. Is it alarming that major media players just opposed you [?] are consistently siding with foreign state propaganda, Islamic radicals, Latin gangs, and cartels, and they work right here at the White House with direct access to you and your team?

        I also wonder how these reporters get hired with some of their stupid questions.

        Did you know that OANN got kicked out of briefings because they came on days they weren’t supposed to attend (due to social distancing limiting the number of attendees) and then the ban was overridden personally by Trump’s press secretary?

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          What do you mean they are “our” ventilators?

          Let’s extend that to the pundits. How about Morning Joe’s better half explaining that Trump is pushing the anti-,malarial drug (follow the money was her comment) for personal gain?

          • Yea, that was a bit conspiratorial.

            I mean.. it certainly wouldn’t surprise me. Would it surprise you?

            But I think it was irresponsible to “speculate” in that manner without any supporting evidence other than Trump is a grifter.

            That said, this malarial drug IS unproven and it IS irresponsible for Trump to be touting it before the FDA or CDC sign off on its use for corona. He’s not just some random civilian. He’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, and he should not behave like that. I think Trump is one of those people who are always looking for the easy way out, the instant cure. And I think he’s latched onto this drug as a magical panacea because, if it were, then all his problems go away, and he can make everyone calm, and heal the market, and win reelection. It’s wishful thinking, and it’s dangerous and irresponsible. If people think there’s some magic bullet out there, then they have less incentive to be careful about spreading the disease.


            That said, what are your thoughts if – IF – this were to turn out to be true? If it turns out that Trump bought a stake in the manufacturer of this drug and then went on tv and touted it as cure? Would you consider this inappropriate? Wrong? Criminal? Or just fine?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Democratic Party legislator thanked Mr. Trump yesterday for bringing up the drugs. She got Covid and was struggling. Because of his comments she pushed her Doc to prescribe it. She got results in 24 hours and is now recovering.

              There have been dozens of these stories, from the US and over seas. So maybe him mentioning it is not such a bad thing. But he does have to be careful in how hard he sells this idea and made a major error the other day suggesting it could “prevent”. It enhances treatment of those infected. Nobody has reported cases of prevention.

            • Mathius, Trump is not speculating about chloroquine. There have been lots of evidence that it improves symptoms and hastens recovery. You are correct that no double blind tests have been done, but this takes months which we do not have. The original French study showed dramatic improvement of the patients involved compared to a control group that did not get the drug. Since then the testimonials have been overwhelmingly positive.

              Since you are such a skeptic, if you or a member of your family gets this Chinese virus, I suggest you volunteer for the sugar pill. I am sure all others will request the real drug. Also some doctors are taking chloroquine as a prophylaxis. I am not sure this is effective but it is being tried.

              I have been asked to make life or death decisions for a loved one. Requesting cholorquine with the public domain information would be easy.

              You go through life basing decisions on anecdotal evidence every day. I doubt you go through the supermarket demanding double blind effectiveness investigations of every food you put in your basket.

              • Mathius says:

                There’s a difference between you or I – or, really, any private citizen – saying “I think this works.”

                Trump is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and when he speaks, millions – for better or worse – listen. If he says “I think this works,” them millions of people are going to demand to use it. Right or wrong, that has YUGE consequences.

                If it doesn’t work, it’s going to eat the supply needed by actual malarial sufferers and others who need it (I believe it helps Lupis?).

                If there’s an interaction with other Covid drugs, it could be harmful.

                If it works, well, that’s great, but as the LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, he shouldn’t be speculating. He should have to abide by SCIENCE. Actual SCIENCE. If the CDC hasn’t said “use this,” then he shouldn’t be saying it.

                He has a role to play. His job is to keep the nation calm and collected, to encourage us to take this seriously and obey CDC guidelines. To help and steer the efforts to get needed supplies to needed patients. To help ramp up production, etc. But he is NOT a doctor. And, contrary to what he seems to think, the fact that he had an uncle at MIT does not mean that he, himself is a great scientist.

                He shouldn’t be dispensing medical advice that isn’t backed by his own agencies.

              • Trump put all the necessary qualifications into his comments. No one including you should have misconstrued his statements to say that it was 100% fool proof. It is part of his job to see the light at the end of the tunnel and provide hope for the future. That is what he did and what he said he was doing. There was not lies or misinformation involved. Another MD stated he had read a stack of positive reports on chloroquine over 6″ high. It is still anecdotal but overwhelmingly positive. It is just not the gold standard the FDA requires. We do not have the time to wait for definitive tests.

                Once again you are letting the MSM and your own bias fog your opinions. Listen to what he actually says not what the talking heads say he said.


              • NEW YORK, NY—When Mathius Walton tested positive for COVID-19, he hoped for a speedy recovery. But since he has been treated with hydroxychloroquine, the experimental treatment President Donald Trump has been touting, he now hopes he dies quickly to help prove that Trump is an idiot.

                While Trump has been giving people hope that hydroxychloroquine could save lives, his political opponents have called it false hope and claimed Trump has no idea what he’s talking about. Walton, a lifelong Democrat and progressive, had joined in calling Trump “irresponsible” and an “ignoramus” and now has an opportunity to prove it by simply dying. “It’s such an opportunity, I don’t want to pass it up,” Walton said.
                Doctor Glenn Logan, Walton’s physician, says he’s been up and down. “After we gave him the hydroxychloroquine, he got really excited about the idea of dying to prove Trump is dumb, and his good mood helped his condition, and he started to improve. Because that would only help Trump, his getting healthier made him depressed, which caused his condition to deteriorate. Which made him really happy. Which helped him recover and… Well, it’s been a weird cycle.”
                Dr. Logan has been warning Walton that there is a chance he could fully recover. Walton is trying to prepare himself for this — a world where everything isn’t black and white and Trump can be right about some things — but he insists he’d much rather die.

        • No, not those, I’m talking stupid questions, like, after Trump clearly stating early in this mess that no one knows how long this will go on, some idiot promptly asked “How long will this last?”

          Or, when Trump made a change based on new information, he was promptly asked “Why did you say X and now you are saying Y?” on the same subject that was just explained in detail.

          The OANN person was just slamming the Liberal media for their stupidity, I thought it was funny to watch them squirm when the questions were asked.

  35. Mathius called out an R governor for “Finding out that this virus is now transmitting before people see signs”

    I say mind your own business first:

    ,NYC Mayor Out to Prove That GOP Have Not Cornered the Market on COVID-19 Ignorance
    Bill de Blasio made the same uninformed coronavirus statements that Georgia Governor Brian Kemp made this week

    April 4, 2020 5pm
    Lest you think coronavirus stupidity is solely a Republican problem, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio made the same uninformed and incorrect statements that Georgia Governor Brian Kemp made this week. de Blasio also tried to claim that until very recently, scientists were not aware that asymptomatic or presymptomatic people with coronavirus, meaning people who carry the virus but are not showing symptoms, could transmit it to other people.

    • Did you know that it’s possible for a Republican governor AND a Democratic mayor to both be willfully ignorant ass-hats?

      • I…capital and bold I…understand that. But you went out of your way to call out the R….so I’m calling out your call confirmation bias. There has to be a fallacy for that. ROFL. 😆

        • yeah, and you can scratch that added ‘call’ I changed my comment mid-typing, but didn’t backspace enough. lol

      • NO, it’s not. A RINO is a Crat pretending to be a Republican, so they are one and the same 😛

  36. New robo text from Amazon last night.

    Now they “recommend” all employees wear a mask during the shift, or whenever they’re in the warehouse. BYOM bring your own mask or here! Use this thin as a blue furnace filter mask. 🙄

  37. thelonestarconnection says:

    and the plot thickens…….so, under this “stimulus” program…the loan is forgivable if you use 75% for salaries and 25% for overhead to stay alive…..so, the precedent that has now been set, there is no need for a company to plan ahead. So, they have no income coming in, but to keep people off the unemployment, the government replaces the income in the form of an forgivable loan. In the meantime, with everything shut down, there are no expenses but you get a 25% built in overhead cost.

    Now, fast forward to this morning when professional athletes are now saying that with the seasons postponed and/or ended, and since the professionals are employees, then they are expecting their salaries to be replaced. So, there is the potential for professional athletes to receive their salaries and the team franchises will receive government money for their overhead. Failure to refuse to do this, will result in law suits for discrimination. Employees are employees….range of salary makes no difference. So, borrow the money, pay your salaries and bank your 25% overhead.


    • so, the precedent that has now been set, there is no need for a company to plan ahead.


      The expectation is that people living paycheck to paycheck should have a reserve of 4-6 months for hard times. But a multi-billion dollar corporation need not worry about such things.

      meantime, with everything shut down, there are no expenses

      I mean, we both know this isn’t true. Fixed costs are a real thing.

      So, there is the potential for professional athletes to receive their salaries and the team franchises will receive government money for their overhead. Failure to refuse to do this, will result in law suits for discrimination.

      Fuck ’em.

      Let it fail.

      Let’s apply for unemployment insurance just like the rest of us pleebs.

      Oh, boo hoo.. you can’t afford your Lamborghini payments and the mortgage on your $40 million dollar cliffside manor? Tough shit.



      • thelonestarconnection says:

        But, sir, you are a die hard proponent of equality and no discrimination. Are you going to discriminate simply because of a salary difference? Remember, in order to get this through Congress, Trump had to capitulate to Pelosi on the debt forgiveness issue. So….there is NO discrimination, a mainstay of the Democratic platform.

        So, theoretically, since I am a sub s corporation…and I file U/E taxes and pay into the system…and since the only two employees that I have are myself and the spousal unit (everyone else is contract labor), I can go borrow money….use it for intended purpose, and be forgiven……even though I have plenty of cash because I plan for catastrophic events like tornado’s, hurricanes, Zombie Apocalypse, and such…..I can go apply for a loan, prove my claim, pay my salary, bank my overhead……and be forgiven….all at taxpayer expense. Wow…so I do not have to do anything…nothing…file for an SBA loan, to pay myself and my corporation…and not have to pay it back and not take it from my rainy day fund…..in other words……..FREE MONEY. Maybe the democratic way ain’t so bad after all.. **cough Cough***…….

        • But, sir, you are a die hard proponent of equality and no discrimination. Are you going to discriminate simply because of a salary difference?

          I am a proponent of ensuring that everyone has what they NEED.

          For the avoidance of doubt, that means, NOT DYING and a basic level of human decency (a roof over their head, food in their stomach, necessary medical care).

          I think anything above and beyond this if your own damned problem.



          Well.. almost.

          I ALSO am a proponent of giving people things that work as a net societal benefit.

          So, for example, I don’t think “education” is a human right or, exactly, a “necessity.” But I don’t want to live in a country full of uneducated idiots (more so than I currently do, anyway). So education is in everyone’s interest, and therefore something that we should pay for.

          Likewise, I don’t think PTO is “necessary” from a personal perspective, but forcing broke people to go to work when they’re sick just means they’re going in infect more people. So PTO might be a good idea anyway.

          I can go borrow money….use it for intended purpose, and be forgiven……even though I have plenty of cash because I plan for catastrophic events like tornado’s, hurricanes, Zombie Apocalypse, and such…..I can go apply for a loan, prove my claim, pay my salary, bank my overhead……and be forgiven….all at taxpayer expense.

          My company, sitting on 10’s of millions of dollars in cash, is looking at exactly this.

          Zombie Apocalypse

          Your money is useless in a zombie apocalypse.

          The only valuable currency would be lead.

          in other words……..FREE MONEY.

          Sure looking like it…. I sense there are strings somewhere, but.. yea…

          Freebies for the companies, freebies for the poor.. shaft for the well-off-but-not-rich.

          • thelonestarconnection says:

            I am a proponent of ensuring that everyone has what they NEED.

            Need…..what a nice subjective word……..NEED……….I need a brand new Corvette for my second childhood or third or fourth childhood (trying to remember which this one would be)……can’t be middle aged crazies..I am past that………But I was actually looking at a Corvette last year….then I plopped my ass down in one and after I figured out that I was just inches away from the road underneath…and then you have to almost literally climb out of it…..settled for the Lincoln Navigator instead. But I really NEED a new plane….and a replacement every time I run the engine hours up to 600.

            • thelonestarconnection says:

              I sense there are strings somewhere There are some reporting requirement hoops to jump through..nothing drastic..and you must have filed verifiable returns for the last three years. Other than that……nada.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                As I posted yesterday. My CPA Son has reviewed the rules and is telling his clients to avoid this like the plague.

          • thelonestarconnection says:

            Now, another question for Mathius……if your company does that and if I decide to do the same…do you find those decisions to be moral and ethical? Your company does not need it and neither does mine….so is there anything approaching morals here? Ethics? Integrity?

            How about the athlete that wants the same treatment to pay for his fancy car and house? Morally wrong? Ethically wrong?

            • Mathius says:

              do you find those decisions to be moral and ethical


              “Lawful but awful.”

              However stupidly worded this law is, the ostensible INTENT is to help the economy and stop people from being laid off. It is NOT to pad the wallets of people and businesses who don’t “need” it.

              so is there anything approaching morals here? Ethics? Integrity?

              Not when it comes to businesses and government.

              Wish there were, but we both know that’s not the case.

              How about the athlete that wants the same treatment to pay for his fancy car and house? Morally wrong? Ethically wrong?

              Tough shit.

              It is morally wrong for him to TAKE from you and me (via Government) to pay for LUXURIES.

              If he can’t afford his mansion, that’s his problem. If he can’t afford a shabby apartment with a roommate, we should help him out.

              If he can’t afford caviar, then he should go without caviar. If he can’t afford ramen, we should help him out.

              If he can’t afford him Lambo, then he should lose his Lambo. If he can’t afford bus fare, then maybe we should help him out because it’s in society’s interest that workers be able to get to their jobs. But that’s a utilitarian argument, not deontological.


              I know this is a tough concept, but every dollar the government hands out is a dollar TAKEN from The People. Whether it’s actually taken in the sense of tax, or borrowed and paid for in the sense of treasuries, or paid for via printing (read: inflation, which steals the value of my dollars).. regardless, it’s all the same thing. To give, they must take.

              Thus to receive is to take.

              As a society, as a people, as human beings, I believe that we have an obligation to help those in NEED. Maybe we want to be NICE and give more, but that’s what charity is for. MY obligation is that you have a roof over your head and decent nutrition and heat if necessary and sanitary water and access to basic health care.

              BEYOND THAT, there are some utilitarian arguments such as the above re public transit. Similarly, it behooves us to give more than the barest minimum of health care both because prevention costs less than treatment, but also because sick people’s germs don’t just stay with the sick person. So while I have no OBLIGATION to, say, pay for vaccines, it is in society’s interest to give free vaccines to those who can’t afford them so that they don’t get and spread measles. (it’s just “smarter” and more efficient to avoid a measles outbreak than treat people who contract it.. it’s a better use of our money and in the best interest of society.)

              Outside the scope of these, you are not my problem. I owe you nothing. I have an obligation to nothing and no one. And conversely, no one has any obligation to me. No one is entitled to my dollar nor am I entitled to theirs.

              I may CHOOSE to do more. Others may as well.

              But to use the government to TAKE from Peter to PAY Paul for things that are neither utilitarian-justified nor morally-mandatory is simply wrong.

              This applies to the government for TAKING, but doubly so for the receivers in choosing to willingly ask for and receive.

              When you – you old fart – cash your Social Security, you are ACCEPTING money that is not yours. I do not care that you paid into the system – we both know that money is spent and gone. The money you are taking now was TAKEN from me. You do not need it to avoid homelessness, nor do you need it to eat. You just want it.

              To TAKE from me because you WANT is just justified and is NOT an appropriate use of government.

              It’s THEFT.

              And it’s WRONG.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Fixed costs are a real thing. True, true….forgive me for using layman’s terms because most people do not know the difference between fixed and variable costs as it pertains to business jargon.

  38. Another cousin with (probable) Covid.

    It’s kicking her ass, dry cough, trouble catching her beath. She’s in her mid-late 30’s and nursing.

    The baby and her husband – both of whom are probably infected as well – are saying separate from her. She’s pumping and passing the milk through the door to the husband who is feeding and caring for the baby.

    She has requested a test, but so far hasn’t been able to get one. So the diagnosis is as-yet unconfirmed. But, you know, probable.

    For those keeping score, that’s my brother-in-law (+family) in Boston, and two cousins (+famiy) on Long Island.

  39. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Why, I wonder are us old farts, living on stable incomes getting a check to begin with? It is a windfall for me.

    • Because you old farts have nothing better to do with your time than vote. And the pols want to make damned sure that you old farts are happy.

      Fuck the younger working class. They aren’t the ones voting in high enough proportion to decide the elections. So let’s give you a check on borrowed money that they’ll have to pay for.. nothing wrong with that!

    • Trump is paying back the elderly for all the tax dollars wasted on Democrat policies during their working years 😀

  40. Just A Citizen says:



    Now that you read the comments from Doctors about being overwhelmed and the Sheriff is a criminal, check out our current status:


    Bonner County has very few cases and those haven’t changed in many days. Kootenai County is slowly growing with most big jumps being positive tests of family members for someone who came down with it during travel out of the area.

    What is also missed in this is that there are so many “essential” businesses listed in the Gov’s order that probably the majority of the working folks are still out and about. The biggest impacts are service industries like restaurants, barbers, salons, etc. etc..

    Note to Mathius: We had ZERO cases of Measles in N. Idaho during the big Measles scare last year. We also have the lowest vaccination rate in the USofA.

    • Mathius says:

      Note to Mathius: We had ZERO cases of Measles in N. Idaho during the big Measles scare last year. We also have the lowest vaccination rate in the USofA.

      That’s because there are only like twelve people in your state.

      Everyone knows that y’all count potatoes dressed up in overalls as part of the Census. You’re not fooling anyone.

    • I keep seeing stats of cumulative cases. That’s nice to show what % of the population has been infected but it is the difference between the cumulative cases and post-symptomatic cases that determines the load on the health care system.

  41. thelonestarconnection says:

    In 2006, then-New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s administration began purchasing ventilators to allow the city to be prepared for a pandemic like the current coronavirus crisis — only for the city to later auction them off, according to a report.

    ProPublica reported Monday that the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene issued a report in 2006 on the city’s preparedness for pandemic influenza — similar to the 1918 Spanish Flu or the 2019 novel coronavirus — that projected the city would need thousands of extra ventilators in order to properly treat all of its residents who got sick. The plan was then put into action, with the city initially buying 500 ventilators before it ran out of money to buy more and to maintain the ones it had already stockpiled, according to ProPublica.

    Interestink…….velllyyy interestink!

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      Therefore, assuming that the article is correct, this means that you cannot really warehouse ventilators due to the cost of warehousing as well as maintenance to keep them operating. It is not something that can just sit until needed. So, in reality, there is no prior planning as far as hardware is concerned. That makes pandemics, at best, a reactive situation. And, as flu strains mutate, then there is really no vaccine protection available until the strain is identified.

      • Mathius says:

        Really interesting primer on ventilators…

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          Really points out how complex a ventilator is…and how maintenance would need to be performed on a regular basis. So many moving parts and regulators that need to be constantly calibrated,

  42. Opinion poll:

    Did the States over-react or under-react to the virus threat?

    Same question for the Feds 😀

    Please explain your current view.

    Thank You in advance.

    • Mathius says:

      Did the States over-react or under-react to the virus threat?

      Absolutely impossible to tell.

      Also, probably depends on which state you’re talking about.

      Same question for the Feds 😀

      Absolutely impossible to tell.

      Worth noting that just because we don’t know if they over or under reacted, it is entirely plausible to opine that they could have done better.

      • It is early to really tell, but I have somethings that I like/dislike.

        Like: Feds let States determine closings etc.
        Like: Feds didn’t overreact to the kneejerk requests by some States, but rather reacted to what was happening in real time. Field hospitals go up quickly, no need to put one up in Northern Idaho (yet).

        Dislike: China’s dishonesty, along with the WHO. Had they been more honest, reaction could have been better.
        Dislike: Some places issuing tickets for…watching sunsets in a vehicle, surfing, taking a drive. Serious overreactions

        I have more dislikes, but this is good for a start.

        • Mathius says:

          Field hospitals go up quickly, no need to put one up in Northern Idaho (yet).

          And there won’t be!

          Potatoes don’t get Coronavirus.

          Dislike: China’s dishonesty

          I am SHOCKED! SHOCKED, I SAY!

          along with the WHO. Had they been more honest, reaction could have been better.

          Yup.. really disappointed by the WHO. I imagine that they did some calculus that they could be honest and lose all their access or play it down to pander to the Party and at least get some good information out of it… pure speculation, however.

          Dislike: Some places issuing tickets for…watching sunsets in a vehicle, surfing, taking a drive. Serious overreactions

          Question: Would it be ok for “some places” to issue citations for firing your gun into the air with the understanding that the bullet “might” kill someone on the way back down?

          Question: Does the fact that YOUR single shot has a low probability of killing anyone mean that the government should be tolerant of this behavior such that more people feel emboldened to do so, and the odds of people dying goes up?

          • thelonestarconnection says:

            Anywhere but Texas…..Texas tradition to fire six shooters in the air on New Years and 4th of July. No one gets arrested and no one dies from it.

            • thelonestarconnection says:

              Has to be a regular six shooter and no auto nor semi auto weapons. No shotguns and no long guns (long gun =rifle , for the benefit of you Yankees.)

          • It’s already illegal in urban areas for the most part. Non issue for me, I don’t believe in warning shots or wasting ammo.

          • “Yup.. really disappointed by the WHO”

            Personally, I like the Who. This is but one example.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            You are a geographic illiterate. We don’t grow spuds in N. Idaho.

            • Three is no meaningful distinction between north and south “Idaho.”

              ::ducks for cover::

  43. It looks like the Corona virus models are overestimating the problem. Sounds familiar.

  44. A new thread is posted.

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