Abuse of Power

“The presence of a nasty disease does not suspend any part of the Bill of Rights, no matter what some municipal, state or even federal politician may think.”

This should be especially true during times like these.  Let’s look at a few:

OIPZAWEL76NThe mayor of Champaign, Illinois, signed an executive order declaring the power to ban the sale of guns and alcohol and cut off gas, water, or electricity to any citizen. The governor of Ohio just essentially closed his entire state.
The Mayor of New Orleans signed a couple of emergency orders that can restrict the sale or transportation of alcohol and firearms.

Democratic Mayor of Greenville Miss, Errick Simmons issued an executive order Tuesday that all church buildings are to be closed for both in-person and drive-in services — and that the Temple Baptist parking lot service was in direct defiance of that order, the Democrat-Times reported.

These are just some of the nonsense that some people in power do when they can’t let a crisis go to waste.  This isn’t just a Liberal issue either.  These politicians (and the cops that enforce these illegal orders) need to be exposed and removed from their jobs..FOREVER.

Comments

  1. In addition, Trump says he has sole authority to reopen the country….Horseshit.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      G man….you are going to have to make up your mind. If you want the states to preside, then stick with it. I personally think it is a state issue and do not need a Federal government telling me what to do under these circumstances. I also happen to think that it is a local issue as well.

      You cannot use other cities and states as models…the effect is different in every state and city. Leave it up to local and state governments….if they step out of line, it is up to the citizens to correct the issue and not some stupid Federal Government oversight.

      Perhaps the differing approaches are just what the people need to see in order to get out and vote.
      —————————————–
      On a different note..it appears as if China was reading SUFA……they are moving on Taiwan this morning.

      • I think its a muddled issue. Its the fed that’s bailing everyone out, seems like they should have some say so. If there was no money involved, then I’d say its up to the states. But then there’s interstate commerce…what do you do about that? I cant grow lemons in Michigan, Florida can. If Florida opens, but Michigan doesn’t, then what?

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          If Florida opens, but Michigan doesn’t, then what? Then you live without Lemons.

          But then there’s interstate commerce…what do you do about that? Then the governors of those states get together and agree on what it takes to get the lemons from Florida to market in Michigan.

          I wonder if anyone is looking at the long term impact on this. I am also wondering if the ones in power on the state level are looking at transportation issues and logistics. I wonder if anyone has noticed that the shortages that we are experiencing are not produced in the US for the most part. We off shored so much of our industry in the name of cheap goods…..this is the price we now pay.

        • Anita,

          I think its a muddled issue.

          Yes.

          Its the fed that’s bailing everyone out, seems like they should have some say so.

          That way, madness lies.

          The fed spending money with strings attached is a creeping powergrab and overt encroachment on the rights of states.

          See, for example, highway funds.

          If there was no money involved, then I’d say its up to the states.

          The 10th Amendment either DOES or DOES NOT mean something.

          I do not see anything in the Constitution which would justify the federal government making this kind of power-grab.

          Much as I think a coordinated and controlled response at the federal level would have better outcomes, I don’t think it’s their power to wield. Sometimes, our system of government produces sub-optimal results.

          Unfortunately, that means that certain states being selfish assholes won’t have consequences far beyond their borders…

          But then there’s interstate commerce…what do you do about that?

          THAT, the feds can control

          But they can’t control intra-state commerce.

          There have been numerous SCOTUS cases on this. The feds keep trying to blur the line. “oh, well, it miiiggggghhhtt impact some interstate trade, so we should get to regulate the whole thing.” If I’m not mistaken, this is how they got their hooks into controlling drug use country-wide – because if you have pot in YOUR state, someone miiiiiggggghhhhttt sell it next door.

          I cant grow lemons in Michigan, Florida can. If Florida opens, but Michigan doesn’t, then what?

          Then, as the good colonel so aptly put it, you live without lemons.

          • Mathius, I remember you wanting to erase state lines, all power to the feds.

            • I do.

              But I propose doing it LEGALLY.

              I do not propose just ignoring the law and doing whatever we want because it’s convenient.

          • No lemoms for Michigan? That’s fair. Also why there is a recall petition in circulation on the web, several actually, for Whitmer’s head.

            • I thought we were quarranting people not lemons. Truck the lemons to the state line, drop the trailer and have another tractor pick it up.

      • Trump has the ability to open any and all federal facilities, parks, etc. The remainder is up to the states. Since things are drastically different in SD vs NY, this would be the correct approach. Even on a county level, things are dramatically different.

        The issue of why no massive outbreaks in Hing Kong, etc. It makes one wonder if the virus was purposely planted on foreign soils.

        As for Taiwan, I feared China would take advantage. We have 2 carrier strike groups in the western Pacific, 2 in the Gulf, one in the Med and the Ford is on our east coast. Of course about 10% of the TR’s crew is sick but I would think the ship can still put up a fight. At this point would it be wise for DJT to start moving assets? Knight to Queens Bishop’s 3.

    • In addition, Trump says he has sole authority to reopen the country….Horseshit.

      Hey! Something I can agree with.

      In addition, Trump says he has sole authority to reopen the country….Horseshit.

      Trump, of course, takes no responsibility in any way shape or form for anything that did or did not or might have happened at any point in this whole issue.

      But he damned well sure wants to take responsibility for opening the country back up.

      Reminds me of my old boss, actually… All glory was his, all fault was someone else’s.

      G man….you are going to have to make up your mind. If you want the states to preside, then stick with it.

      He wants whatever gives the most credit to Trump and the most blame/negativity to the Democrats at any given moment. Consistency isn’t part of the equation.

      I think this is the first time I can recall him outright calling bullshit on DЭДЯ LЭДDԐЯ.

      You cannot use other cities and states as models…the effect is different in every state and city.

      Absolutely. NYC is very different from the so-called “state” of Idaho.

      Perhaps the differing approaches are just what the people need to see in order to get out and vote.

      Maybe.

      What are you going to make of it if, say, certain governors use this as a way of suppressing the city vote (read Democrats)? If, say, a certain swing state has an election in November, but the biggest city only has five polling places open in its biggest city?

      Would you call shenanigans on that?

      On a different note..it appears as if China was reading SUFA……they are moving on Taiwan this morning.

      Yup.

      And, just like Hong Kong, we’re going to do absolutely nothing about it.

      On a different note..it appears as if China was reading SUFA……they are moving on Taiwan this morning.

      Can’t wait to see how this is all actually Obama’s fault. 🙂

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        All glory was his, all fault was someone else’s. Pure unadulterated human nature.

        • Sure.

          Human nature.

          Yes.

          But something we have to fight against.

          If you hog all credit and blame underlings for everything, you’re an asshole and a terrible boss.

          • thelonestarconnection says:

            <If you hog all credit and blame underlings for everything, you’re an asshole and a terrible boss. HUAH!!! (that is two in a row…..you are on a roll)

            • My old boss… man… that guy.. analysts would research companies and make recommendations to him. He’d either accept or reject the recommendations and then determine how much to invest.

              Care to take a guess how morale was at that firm?

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        All glory was his, all fault was someone else’s. Can’t blame this on Obama….he, like other POTUS, have created the problem. We should have not entered into any agreements with China. They are a pariah. Even Russia does not deal with them too much. We are in the bag with them and so many of our politicians are in the bag with them. ….so many of the WHO and the UN are in the bag with them. China is not stupid. We built them.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Our fair city never really shut down. Most companies modified their procedures. Some companies closed only because their national headquarters shut them down. Kids have all been schooling at home now with online courses for three weeks now.
      I had to deposit a check for a project I’ve been working in in town. The lobby of my bank is shut down. The drive up window is closed but they changed out the standard ATM machine with a live teller connection and the regular ATM. The lady was at the banks headquarters in Jacksonville NC. Marine Corp Credit Union. Yes they allow us squids to join. Other than some time figuring out exactly where all the new screens were it took only a few minutes longer than being in the lobby. Next time bada bing. As the large manufacturing completed their phased reopening in Monday, all their suppliers were opened up. The b&bs are suffering and next door to where i was working said people are canceling out beyond June. . There’s no reason. Bars and eat in restaurants and theaters etc will take longer. But even at 1000 this morning Union Point Park was filling and people enjoying a beautiful day

      The city is playing it correctly. And anything under their direct control stayed available to “We the People” the colonial governors Palace is controlled by the State now.. Gates Closed. Sure close the tour. NO tourists but the spring gardens are stunning. Let people enjoy them. They were free anyway. Boating and fishing non stop.

  2. thelonestarconnection says:

    One other thing that might make interesting discussion among this group….what would you do with China now?

    This is the third pandemic that originated in China…or so they say. But that is not really the issue. The issue, with me, is how much we have made ourselves dependent upon China for necessities. Medications, paper products and stuff that we have sent over seas for production. We demanded cheap products and cheap labor and this is the result. Shortages we never should have had….dependence upon another country to produce the electronics and medicines…all in the name of cheap products? So, we, in effect, handed China a loaded weapon…..borrowed money and built their military and put them in a position of strength over us.

    Now, there is one upside to this. We are indebted to them for a lot…….we can control their economy by debt payments….we do not need bullets…we have money that is owed back to them. Quit paying them and they fold. So….do we use that? Take a hit on manufactured goods and things for awhile. Bring our manufacturing back to the US with strong incentives?

    Is the American populace so blinded by cheap goods that they do not see the problems it creates? Most everyone lives in a bubble and has no idea of the sweat shops, child labor, forced camps and things. We condemn child labor, cheap wages and sweat shops yet we are hypocritical enough to buy from countries that do the things we abhor. We borrow their money off the backs of the things we like to pride ourselves on that we do not do….

    So…..think about it. If you were running things…..what would you do from today forward…not what you would have done to react….but from today forward…how do we NOT put ourselves into the situation of shortages of toilet paper and medicines and electronics?

    Please do not tell me it cannot be done…..it can…it takes the will and the perseverance to do so.

    • what would you do with China now?

      There’s a certain colonel and a small crack commando unit that was wrongfully sent to prison for a crime they didn’t commit, but escaped, and now live as soldiers of fortune. …. if you can find them, and if no one else can help, maybe you can hire them.

      This is the third pandemic that originated in China

      … but it won’t be the last.

      Maybe those assholes need to get it through their heads to stop eating “exotic” animals.

      And take food prep, sanitation, and hygiene seriously, because there are a billion and a half people living in dense cities, and diseases don’t stay put.

      Quit paying them and they fold. So….do we use that?

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

      Why? Because they aren’t the only people we owe money. We can only sustain our debt BECAUSE people are willing to borrow. Shake that faith… yes, it would wreck China, but at what cost to us? We’d lose decades of hard-won faith in treasuries and the only way out of that is through massive inflation.

      We’re talking 1930’s Germany, here.

      Is the American populace so blinded by cheap goods that they do not see the problems it creates?

      Yes and no.

      I think most of us would be happy to avoid the cheap goods.. but they’re just so damned ubiquitous and hard to differentiate.

      If this cable from China? Or Japan? Or was it made in Ohio? Who knows! I’ll just buy the cheapest one, then.

      So…..think about it. If you were running things…..what would you do from today forward…not what you would have done to react….but from today forward

      ::see my proposed constitutional amendment below::

      I’d probably also try to put some economic incentives and disincentives in place to force offshort manufacturing away from China. It’s just a simple national security issue. I don’t “like” that we produce pharmaceuticals offshore. But it’s just a straight-up “national security threat” that we do so much of it in any one foreign country that we’re exposed to danger if they put the plug on us.

      If we were to ever go to war with China, we shouldn’t find ourselves systemically screwed because we are completely dependent on them for any vital production.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        if you can find them, and if no one else can help, maybe you can hire them. Certainly, I can have my men………..errrr……I mean….I can try to get in contact with them……………

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      When the contaminated brass shower body split wide open in apartment 25 on the fifth floor of 40 Thayer Street in Manhattan a few years back, flooding everything below it, my superintendent, a Cuban Refugee, held it out to me in his hand and said in his very best broken English….Don’t bring me cheap Chinese junk ever again. Fortunately I hadn’t that was old stock from a previous manager.

      As sad as it was to see that American Standard, was now made in Mexico, it was still pure brass, inspected and uncontaminated and I continued to make it my standard purchase. I remember buying a very substantial looking pair of channel lock pliers with “Made in China” stamped on them then watching them snap on the first use. Not only are Chinese goods inferior, they are dangerous.

      • Not only are Chinese goods inferior, they are dangerous.

        I remember reading about this topic. And it had a very interesting take.

        It generally boils down to friendship, family, et cetera are one thing… business is war.

        And if you’re not family, you’re fair game, and they owe you nothing. Neither honesty, nor anything else.

        They care about one thing – make the sale – get the money.

        If they can trick you, if they can deceive you, if they can cut corners and cut costs, and screw you over, that’s all fair game and to their credit.

        The ONLY limit on this is that if they risk their repeat business. That is, their own long-term interests.

        Otherwise, China is happy to sell cheap dangerous crap as long as someone will buy it.

        Because business is war.

        Caveat emptor.

        The ONLY way to make them stop selling cheap dangerous crap is to stop buying it.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          Caveat emptor. The ONLY way to make them stop selling cheap dangerous crap is to stop buying it. HUAH!!!!!!!

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I avoid any tool that says “made in China” even screws and fasteners. They are cheap shit and rust away in a couple years even when protected.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Before we get into actually addressing China, we should ask ourselves one key question.

      Will China use Nukes if pushed hard enough and/or if the Govt. feels it is going to lose control within China itself?

      • Before we get into actually addressing China, we should ask ourselves one key question.

        Will China use Nukes if pushed hard enough and/or if the Govt. feels it is going to lose control within China itself?

        Yes.

        They will use them on us.

        They will use them on their neighbors.

        They use them on themselves.

        Anything and everything is on the table if the Party feels threatened.

        I don’t think the leadership would bat an eye at blowing up a major Chinese city as a warning to the rest of their country to stay in line.

  3. I would think that TP and paper towels are made domestically. Too low density for long range transport over oceans.

  4. Mathius proposes a new Constitutional Amendment:

    Art 1. All products must be stamped with a good-faith indication of the percentage of the product produced in the United States. This stamp shall be clearly visible to the consumer.

    Art 2. All online retailers selling within the United States must include this percentage in a clearly visible location and, where possible, include a filter which permits users to filter for only majority-US produced items.

    Art 3. Deceptive, bad-faith, or dishonest practices under this Amendment shall result in (A) the dissolution of the corporate entity found to be primarily responsible and/or (B) disgorgement of all profits on the offending product and/or (C) firing the CEO out of a cannon into shark-infested waters.

    Art 4. Upon (A) majority approval by both houses of Congress or (B) majority popular vote by the citizens of the United States, any other country may be included under this Amendment. Such country shall be indicated alongside the United States with its respective percentage. This requirement shall last two years before automatic expiration.

    Art 4.A. Except in the case of declared war, no more than two countries may be included under this article.

    Art 4.B. Any foreign party found to deliberately violate this article shall be subject to automatic tariffs upon the entirety of their company of 20% for the duration of the Art 4 declaration. This penalty may be removed if the company in question (A) disgorges all profit from the offending sales, (B) apologies nicely, and (C) fires their CEO out of a cannon into shark-infested waters.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      One minor change, sir……..can we launch the offending CEO’s into a raptor pit instead of sharks in the ocean?

      • Approved.

      • Actually, some minor adjustments..

        Art 5. For the avoidance of doubt, the application of penalties under this Amendment may be applied to the pertinent parties at any level, including any scheme or cutout whereby a beneficial owner may seek to insulate portions of his company. The penalty shall apply at the highest and broadest level that the pertinent court may determine to be reasonably responsible for the violation.

        Art 5.B. Even in instances where a direct corporate link has not been established interlocking beneficial ownership and/or collusion between such companies to violate this Amendment shall be deemed to be a sufficient linkage to apply the penalties under this statute at the discretion of the court.

        Art 6. A determination of negligence or willful ignorance shall constitute “bad faith’ for the purposes of this Amendment.

        Art 7. In lieu of shark-infested waters, the court may instead prefer Sarlaac Pits or velociraptor enclosures. Burial in the desert up to the neck, covering with honey, and being fed to the fire ants may also be substituted where determined appropriate by the courts.

        Art 8. In the event a party found to be in violation of this Amendment is state-owned, the Court may determine to hold the entirety of the state entity at fault and apply the penalties under this Amendment to all products and goods sold within that state. Such penalty, however, shall be stayed until affirmed by (A) Presidential ratification or (B) simple majority in both Houses or (C) 2/3rds majority of states.

        Art 9. Any individual who holds significant influence or beneficial interest in three or more offending companies may be found to be a serial violator under this Amendment if he can be demonstrated to willfully condone or encourage violations. Such individuals shall be subject to tarring and feathering.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      ABSOLUTELY NOT.

      Do not pollute the Constitution with prescriptive type directions that are interest focused. It is a document that should be limited to LIMITING Federal Govt. powers.

      What you propose falls under LEGISLATION, not an Amendment.

      • Fine. What about the Amendment law? Do you approve otherwise?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          No. Overly complicated. Would be more supportive of something along the lines of:

          All trade with China is hereby banned.

          Any company chartered or licensed to do business in the USA is hereby banned from buying or selling any goods from or to China.

          Any person, private, corporate or government found violating this ban will be sentenced to 20 years hard labor in Death Valley, California.

          • Instantly collapses the Chinese government, leads to nuclear war soon thereafter.

            Was that the goal?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              China has the rest of the world to trade with. That is assuming the rest of the world hasn’t the courage to follow us in this effort.

              This will not lead to nuclear war as the Govt. would start to make concessions to restore trade.

              Concessions?

              Shut down wet markets.
              Allow US and other Nations health/disease experts to work with Chinese IN CHINA.
              Remove military outposts from S. China Sea.
              Begin talks with all SE Asian nations over disputes of territorial waters. MUST be part of UN/WTO frameworks.

              Never mind………….. just Nuke the bastards and be done with it.

  5. Just A Citizen says:

    Let me add this: “Mr. President, remove your family members from the Task Force. PERIOD, END OF QUOTE…………AND DO IT NOW.

    https://www.redstate.com/joesquire/2020/04/14/theres-a-major-problem-with-trumps-re-open-america-task-force/

    • I mean, yeah, his family being 29% of the “task force” is a problem, sure, but how about some experts in the pertinent fields, too?

      Yes, absolutely, it makes sense to have economists and big-business involved. But, you know, ALSO, maybe an epidemiologist or two?

      This is a pandemic outbreak, right? How ’bout Fauchi? Or even Bill Friggin’ Gates?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        Disagree. The disease experts provide staff input to the task force. Who ever leads it needs to make sure that information is incorporated. But I think the TF’s purpose is to try and figure out how to unwind the shutdown.

        IF it is to develop the criteria which will allow the States to unwind their shutdowns then you would be right. Because then it is primarily a disease response action with economic impacts. Not an economic action plan which requires input from the disease folks.

        Personally, I don’t think it is all that involved. Just get some LOGISTICAL experts, like the folks ad Fed Ex, UPS and Wal Mart involved. We have a supply chain problem that needs to be fixed. I am not even sure anyone understands completely why it exists. Notice that the post here a couple weeks back explaining it predicted that it would normalize by now. IT HAS NOT.

        The rhetoric coming from the three Western Governors is more akin to what I think you are thinking the purpose should be. I agree. What is needed is some guidelines on when we can relax the stay at home and mandatory closures, and then “best practices” which will allow us to keep working.

        Meanwhile the States and Fed govts need to start fixing their emergency response to deal with the Second and Third waves of this disease.

        • Can we just agree to hand this whole mess over to Bill Gates?

          The guy is a self-made billionaire with tremendous experience in business, economics, supply lines, etc. AND he is the world’s biggest philanthropist. AND he has spent years and billions of dollars fighting malaria and other diseases, so he has tons of experience with disease and epidemiology.

          Let’s just hand him the reigns and all agree to just do whatever he says for a little bit.

          Does that work for you?

          • Absolutely not. Why do we even need a council on how to reopen the county?

            • Just A Citizen says:

              TRay

              WE DO NOT.

              I think this is more about playing to or in defense of, the media.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            NO! I would sure listen to his input, however.

            I would consider putting him on the Task Force but not in charge. That has to be someone from Govt. to make sure that the private side is integrated with the govt. side.

            • The problem is that the Government is a wholly-owned subsidiary of The Private Side.

              Putting “someone from the government” (read: Trump’s administration) in charge is just putting Big Business in charge with a veneer of deniability.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                I disagree Mathius. There are some times that could be true but it is not always true.

                But is not govt supposed to represent the people under its power when living in a democratic republic? Is not business part of that?

                I recognize the risks of crony deals being included within the outcomes. I doubt that would go unnoticed in our current political environment. Then again, it seems everyone in D.C. is in Santa Claus mode these days. I saw this morning that we are now supposed to bail out the MEDIA because it has been damaged by Covid 19.

    • Per Trump : Ivanka and Jared aren’t on the task force and this isn’t a complete list.

      https://therightscoop.com/trump-names-ivanka-jared-trump-on-council-to-reopen-america-video/

  6. Just A Citizen says:

    When Patterson told him that he did not understand the “big picture,” but asked Patton what he would do about the Russians, he allegedly replied that he would keep the U.S. Army in Europe intact, delineate the border with the Soviets, and if they did not withdraw behind it, “push them back across it.” He went on: “We did not come over here to acquire jurisdiction over either the people or their countries. We came to give them back the right to govern themselves. We must either finish the job now—while we are here and ready—or later in less favorable circumstances.” Needless to say, such ideas were totally unacceptable to the politicians in Washington—and indeed to most of the American soldiers in Europe; all they wanted to do was to go home.

    Have we fallen so deep into the pit we cannot get out?

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    POTUS’s ultimate and total power over reopening the US for business is the Interstate Commerce Clause.

    One thing for a Govt. to shut down his/her parks and restaurants. It is another to shut down businesses via stay at home orders that do in fact affect interstate commerce.

    The other power, one which is totally IRONIC, is the powers vested in POTUS by the emergency declaration and use of the war powers to control industrial production in the USA. The Dems howled for Federal Control…………. Mr. Trump could use that power to FORCE production to start up again.

    If he makes that play watch for all hell to break loose.

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    Good article with some new information on voter fraud arguments. Claiming both are wrong.

    I disagree somewhat with the ID argument. Note that the study does not indicate which kind of fraud is not stopped by ID. As I have posted here before, a system has to include several requirements because the issue is not just US citizenship. It also includes place of residency. Our’s requires a “signature” at sign in to get your ballot. If someone challenges your legitimacy the Clerk is supposed to check the records for past signatures, and the one on your registration forms.

    https://www.redstate.com/jeffc/2020/04/13/heres-what-both-sides-get-wrong-about-voter-id-laws/

    • Another article that does not propose any solutions. Voter ID does not work because poll workers in some districts are dishonest. So it is the ID system that is bad. BS. Voter ID is just the first (low hanging fruit) problem to solve in cleaning up election fraud. We need to stop the motor voter rules, mail in ballot systems, vote harvesting, etc. Voter roles need to be checked against the SSA death index annually. If motor voter rules continue, the DMV needs to send notifications to the previous precincts (even out of state precincts) whenever an address is changed. Random checks of jury duty rolls should be made to identify people who declare themselves foreigners. If they appear on the voter rolls, then they should be prosecuted.

  9. I was thinking about Trump’s comment on “having total authority”, because in sort of goes against an earlier interview were he said he will work hand in hand with the governors…..

    Now, I’m sniffing some governors that may not want to work hand in hand. OK, that’s fine, because Trump doesn’t have the total authority, as we all know. But by saying what he said, along with all the screaming WRONG, WRONG and Hell No, your WRONG, he covered his ass if a State or States screw shit up and send us back into this mess that we are in now.

    My understanding is that Trump wants a controlled return to normal, out of caution in case of flair ups of the virus. I can handle that. But if some governor or more go all out and open up and people die, then, blame them.

  10. Equine Weapon says:

  11. Daily Caller News Foundation
    Kentucky Christians who attended drive-in services on Easter — despite warnings from the governor to stay home over the coronavirus pandemic — were met by police presence and nails dumped in the road, the pastor of a Kentucky church said.
    Democratic Kentucky Andy Beshear had announced that the state would enforce a stay-at-home measure by recording the license plates of any person attending Easter services. Americans in other states, such as in Nevada, Colorado, California, Kentucky, and Pennsylvania, similarly gathered to observe the Christian holiday through drive-in church services.

  12. Canine Weapon says:

    (2nd attempt)

    • Well, let us examine this….The Covid-19 numbers are horribly skewed. If someone dies of a natural cause and happens to have the virus, it is called a Covid 19 event. This is utterly stupid.

      If, according to the WH and Fox News, the Benghazi deaths are merely 4, they have reversed the process…..leading up to the Benghazi, the Benghazi related deaths are approximately 56 in the three weeks up to it. However, I am well used to manipulating numbers having been through it on the reverse side. ( 4 VC, 12 pigs, 4 water buffalo, and 10 villagers equals 400 enemy dead) Been there.

      These numbers are crap….sorry canine. I know you are posting something you read but it is crap. Believe it if you want.

      Now, do a little research and see what the flu deaths from the CDC in the years 2010 to 2018……just the regular flu and this was with available vaccine….

      9.3 million to 49 million cases depending on the year.
      140,000 to 960,000 hospitalizations depending on the year.
      12,202 to 79,187 deaths depending on the year.

      These are annual numbers

      Question….why is this Covid 19 called a disaster? It is the flu…..pure and simple. Yes, it has some different characteristics…but it is the flu. It is a form of flu that has no vaccine….and there will be others coming down the pike without vaccine. There is no strain of flu out there that will announce its severity.

      It appears that the “snowflakes” have gotten in charge of Washington.
      ——————————-
      To further my point….in Texas, we have closed schools and several public buildings each and every year because of the fluid it last year and have done so again this year and will do it next year. We have managed to deal with infectious disease without shutting down business by edict.

      I am sure glad we did not have this attitude during World War II…..to cut and run like we are doing and hibernating and digging holes….we can open business and do logistics and transport right now….contrary to Mathius’ belief, all the people are not stupid.

      Fucking rant over.

  13. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Even the Democratic Socialist Republic of Vermont banned the sale of gardening materials and seeds etc.

    If you did not get all the seedlings started by now and in the ground by Memorial Day you could kiss any production of food from that garden GOODBYE. We might get killing frosts by mid August. Then also with so many seeds today you can not save seeds for next year.

    • You can still mail order seeds and starter plants…..I ordered some starter plants and seeds and they are here. I already have the cucumbers growing from seed, tomatoes from seed, squash from seed…..order on line and you can get all you want and your Socialist government of Vermont cannot stop that.

      • I’ve got tomatoes and peppers growing on my deck. It is absolutely stupid to ban the sales of garden items. People are home and actually have the time to plant. At least they are staying productive and isolated.

    • Then also with so many seeds today you can not save seeds for next year. This is true. I tried that already. I had a germination rate of about 25% with year old seeds in packages and refrigerated.

  14. Dale A Albrecht says:

    Big headline US leads world with Covid-19 deaths. With 25000. By morning NY will have over 11000 of those

    But when you add up the deaths in the EU they have had over 70000 deaths.

    Europe has had a far greater disaster than we have had and the democrats have been wanting to implement their medical system.

    Freedom of travel by anyone anywhere in the West has got to be the mitigating factor in the spread of the virus. I doubt there’s much “free” travel in china. Unless their numbers are totally bogus. But Wuhan is way in the west f the country and the vast majority live near the Coastal and rivers.

    With the travel Europeans and people from the US do its spreading a virus is easy. Drop of oil

    • Unless their numbers are totally bogus. They are…totally. I have seen the numbers as reported by MI….still classified ( I do not know why, but I will not break that classification) but just know the numbers, from China, are bogus.

      • I don’t think I need a security clearance to know the Chinese numbers are bogus.

      • I have heard in excess of 2 million dead in China.

        • I have heard that same. But you know, “I heard” is absolutely worthless.

          I have “heard” that more than 2mm cell phones accounts have been closed in China. I have heard that body bags have been bulk ordered. I have heard that urns are being mass produces.

          But who knows?

          All I can say for sure is that it’s absolute bullshit that they haven’t had a death in weeks.

    • But Wuhan is way in the west f the country and the vast majority live near the Coastal and rivers. Very true but they do not have a newly built and operational Chemical and biological weapons plant 22 miles away.

      • […] a newly built and operational Chemical and biological weapons plant 22 miles away.

        Hey, tangent: Who was the very last recorded death by Small Pox? Give up? Janet Parker died in 1978, in the UK, which hadn’t seen a case in 5 years. But how did she get infected? Well, it escaped from a biolab. Gee.. now.. why does that sound relevant to me……..

  15. JAC, I am not wedded to voter registration but the system does need reformed. Voter rolls are mostly based on the honor system which we know does not work. One thing that registration does do is permit mailing of sample ballots, absentee ballot applications, voter information pamphlets and precinct information. My experience having lived in 6 different states is that this system does work. If voter rolls are continued in the future, they must be maintained properly. Gross neglect of this function by the registrar of voters should be a criminal offense.

    A properly designed voter systems ensures that any and all interested citizens of legal voter age have the opportunity to vote. It ensures the ineligible people are blocked. It minimizes (hopefully eliminates) any possibilities of fraud. It also permits rapid and accurate tallying of the vote. Furthermore, the system should be open and transparent. A permanent record must be available to permit recounts.

    The transparent requirement eliminates electronic voting as no voting machine is transparent. We cannot see electrons flowing through wires or bits stored in memory. There is no way that a common pole worker can inspect the internal code to ensure that no tampering is occurring. Frankly I prefer paper ballots personally filled out on election day at a polling station. Absentee ballots would be permitted but would require a valid reason such as travel, invalid status, work related conflicts, etc. I would require a right thumb print of the voter on the ballot envelope. This print would not be scanned for ID purposes but would be scanned for uniqueness. All ballots would need to be received by a certain date, preferably election day. They would not be opened but would be numbered and the thumbprint scanned. Any two or more ballots with the same thumbprint would be declared invalid and held for investigation, at which time it would be legal to submit the print to the FBI database. All accepted ballots would still need signature verification.

    With motor voter rules, registration is done by the DMV which is run, in most cases, by the SEIU. In general, public employee unions should not be allowed, but certainly they should not be allowed where voters are registering because of the political bias demonstrated by unions. DL’s being issued to non-citizens should be clearly marked non-citizen. This designation should automatically prevent voter registration. Since DL’s in the future will require more proof of ID and citizenship, this should be sufficient for voter registration. Anyone changing an address or name on a DL, should have this information forwarded to their former precinct of residence and to their new precinct. This includes out of state transfers. My son moved to TX several years ago but is still on the local voter rolls despite me telling them he is no longer a resident. He could technical vote in both places.

    The only true way to stop the fraud from happening is to start seriously prosecuting people including election officials who violate the rules. I have heard too many times of pole watchers not being permitted in the counting rooms. The supervisor in these cases should be terminated and prosecuted. Within 24 hrs of the close of the poles, all ballot boxes must be received at the counting station. Each poling site is responsible for counting the number of ballots issued and the number of boxes packed at the end of the day. These numbers should agree with those on the receiving end and be audible. Any box turned in after 24 hrs is invalid and will require an investigation. Negligence is not an excuse. The person who has possession of the box beyond 24 hrs should be criminally liable.

    These are just a few of my thoughts others can chime in.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      It’s been Federal law to keep the registration rolls up to date since ’95. But many States refuse to take the time to do so. Ie California. Where just in LA county 1.2 million registered voters were removed by court order. Either dead, moved hadnt voted or years or a non- citizen

  16. A Florida couple was arrested Tuesday after security camera footage caught them stealing a Trump 2020 flag from the yard of a 67-year-old neighbor.

    Geoffrey Michael Fraiche, 41, Laura Ann Webb-Fraiche, 38, both gynecologists by trade, drove up to the man’s house via golf cart accompanied by two children and used a ladder to reach the flag.
    The pair was charged with criminal mischief, trespassing, larceny and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
    The homeowner, who is pressing charges, said the act caused about $500 in damage to the flagpole’s base and that the flag itself cost $200.
    In security footage of the robbery, a young child can be heard begging the adults not to steal the flag, repeating, “You’re gonna go to jail!”
    Sadly, the adolescent boy was correct and apparently more intelligent than the pair of liberal doctors.

  17. U.S.—More government officials across the country are calling for common-sense religion control.

    The officials insist they don’t want to ban religion entirely — they just want some basic, common-sense laws to regulate it. From background checks to licensing requirements and forced church closures, state officials everywhere are leading the charge to implement much-needed regulations on the practice of religion.
    “It’s past time that we begin implementing basic, common-sense laws against potentially problematic religions,” said Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear. “Nobody’s coming for your religion — we just want some safe and sane restrictions on it.”
    “If we save even one life, it’s worth it.”
    Measures proposed by many state legislatures and governors include the following:
    Background checks on purchases of holy books
    Age restrictions before religious teaching can be given
    Limit to number of theology books one can own
    Pastoral licensing
    Bans on high-capacity church buildings
    Stringent restrictions on concealed Bible carry
    A 10-day waiting period after you click on a sermon on YouTube

  18. BEIJING—In a candid speech Tuesday, President Xi Jinping stated he was “pretty impressed” by Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer’s handling of the coronavirus outbreak, specifically praising her totalitarian policies.

    China’s dictator said he was actually a little jealous he hadn’t thought of some of her ideas himself.
    “She has some pretty great ideas — stopping people from gathering together even with their families, ordering people not to buy seeds — they can’t even plant their own food now! We hadn’t even thought of some of these innovative approaches,” the Communist president said. “We’re always looking for more ways to oppress people, and we were really inspired by Whitmer’s approach.”
    “Not bad, Gretchen.”
    Other dictators across the world also chimed in with words of support and affirmation for Whitmer’s policies, from North Korean ruler Kim Jong Un to Supreme Leader of Iran Ali Khamenei.
    The Chinese government quickly offered Governor Whitmer a consulting position with the Communist Party of China, which she readily accepted.

  19. Bloomberg News: “The Treasury Department has ordered President Trump’s name be printed on stimulus checks the Internal Revenue Service is rushing to send to tens of millions of Americans, a process that could slow their delivery by a few days, senior IRS officials said.”

    • IF…and this is a big IF….this is true. That would really piss me off. I mean… REALLY PISS ME OFF and I am already pissed at the attitude of our politicians….all of them….today,,,,,,,REALLY FUCKING PISSED.

      There is an old Confucius saying around…” Better to be pissed off than pissed on “….the way my mood is today….I would shoot the bastard right between the eyes.

      • Seeing as the Treasury has issued a denial of the delay, I’d say it’s true.

        I know what about this pisses me off. What raises your ire so much?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Here is an interesting thing that was published on various sites and in our newspaper the other day.

      The money is going to be direct deposited into the same bank accounts as Tax Refunds. The data for which is already on file.

      So I guess we should wonder how many get actual checks in the mail. Never mind, it doesn’t matter. IT REALLY DOESN”T MATTER.

      Grow up for God’s sake.

  20. I need a real DR PEPPER…..72 ounces of it.

    • People are beginning to protest the shut down. North Carolina, Michigan to name a couple. As people read about some of the BS from politicians acting like freaking God with their directives, a pushback is beginning and will grow. Civil unrest may be in our future.

      • Maybe it would have been better if the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES hadn’t been issuing random and unsupportable assertions in direct contradiction of expert opinions of when the shut down would end?

        Maybe, in a time which calls for resolve and sacrifice, it would have been easier for people to accept resolve and sacrifice if the head of their elected government weren’t actively undermining the effort?

        • Citation needed 😀

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Come on……

          I always have to say, WHOSE expert opinion? We have issues here that are in a direct head on collision with each other. All you can hope for is a best guess. Yesterday I listened to a number of conservative talkers who pointed out that patient X, the first person to develop the disease and DIE after the restrictions are lifted will be canonized by the media as having been MURDERED by Trump. Do you seriously doubt it?

          • Yesterday I listened to a number of conservative talkers who pointed out that patient X, the first person to develop the disease and DIE after the restrictions are lifted will be canonized by the media as having been MURDERED by Trump.

            Unless it’s Trump, himself, this is 100% accurate.

            The left is going to have a FIELD DAY, blaming Trump for every death, every sniffle, that happens after the lockdown.

          • I always have to say, WHOSE expert opinion? We have issues here that are in a direct head on collision with each other. All you can hope for is a best guess.

            That’s fair. Experts have varried ideas. But I don’t think the experts were saying that Easter was plausible.

            Trump was advocating for “full pews” on Easter.

            Now, provide me a reputable expert opinion from around the same time saying this.

            ———

            Churchill: We much darken our windows to be invisible to the German bombers. This is a sacrifice we much all make for the safety and security of us all. Steel your resolve, as this may last months before ultimate victory!

            Trump: I think we can all turn our lights back on in a week or two. I’m picturing big outdoor concerts with huge stadium lighting! No, no, this will all be over any day now, like magic, with the warmer weather, it will all just vanish like a miracle. And, in the meantime, I mean, I know the war department says that firing your handgun at German bombers is unproven and might give away your position leading to more deaths, but I say “what have you got to lose! Try it, I say! I might decide to do it, myself.” Besides – forget the Blitz – we need to open the bars and concert halls for the economy!

            ::People get agitated when the Blitz isn’t over in a week or two, and people start violating the blackout, leading to further deaths::

            Trump supporters are shocked – SHOCKED, I SAY – to find that some people fault Trump for this development.

            • Trump is simply being positive looking ahead. It’s better than CNN and the Left saying Trump is the most dangerous President ever. Let’s see, Bad things are happening (virus), Trump tries to relax people by being positive about the future. Good things happening (economy before the virus) the Left calls him the most dangerous Prez ever. I know what side I’m taking.

        • You’d like to keep the country shut down as long as all the experts? Can you prove that what all the experts claim is helping, is actually helping? Quarantine normally keeps sick people at bay. What percentage of the USA is sick? less than 5%? How long should the country be shut down?

          • He will need to confer with CNN for that answer 😀 😛

          • Anita,

            I have no idea.

            I’m not an epidemiologist, infectious disease expert, or even a licensed medical practitioner.

            I have no idea what our infrastructure can handle or what our current supplies look like.

            I don’t have enough information to make that kind of call.

            You’d like to keep the country shut down as long as all the experts?

            I generally think listening to the experts is a good idea.

            If the consensus opinion amongst the experts – you know, the men and women who have spent their lives studying this kind of thing – is that we should do a thing, then we should do a thing.

            I’m pretty damned well educated on the point for a layperson. Seriously, I know a lot considering that I work in finance and not medicine. I’ve actually written a great deal here about this kind of subject, and some of it has been extremely relevant. And what I will tell you is that, from my perspective of knowing as much as I do, that there is sooooooooooooooooo much more out there to understand. It’s the old problem of Dunning Kruger – you have to know more to know how little you know.

            I think, a lot of times, Anita, that people come to a subject with the midset of “how hard can it be” and gain a little bit of information, and think “yea, sure, I get it.” I think, from that perspective, it’s easy to second guess the experts, to intuitively weight your own opinion equal to theirs. But your opinions – nor mine – are equal to theirs. That’s just the simple truth.

            And since I DON’T know, and functionally, I CAN’T know, I defer to the experts.

            And so should you.

            And so should the President.

            Can you prove that what all the experts claim is helping, is actually helping?

            No. And I don’t think anyone can.

            It, honestly, may not even be possible. It’s proving the negative.

            How can we prove how back it “would have been”? Maybe we can point at certain countries which don’t take it seriously? That’s the kind of analysist that will take a long time and be nitpicked over by deniers and advocates alike until long after we’re all dead.

            If we do ever get a firm answer to that, as JAC points out, it’s going to be months and months, possibly years, down the road. If you want the answer to this question, you’ll find it in a history textbook written in 2050.

            What percentage of the USA is sick? less than 5%?

            And when that 5% comes into conflict with the 95% who aren’t…?

            How long should the country be shut down?

            No idea!

            Some preliminary data is suggesting that infection does not always generate immunity – if so, that would be a TERRIBLE sign. It means that you could catch this over and over and the previously-infected would not necessarily be a bulwark of non-contagious nodes. If that’s the case, then it could possibly be another year!! or so until a vaccine is ready / tested / distributed. And even that is extremely rushed.

            In practice, I don’t think we Americans have the stomach for that kind of thing. I expect September to be the point where we just say “fuck it” and send our kids back to school. That’s my prediction.

            The interesting corollary to that is that, if the experts are right – and I think they are – then there’s going to be a spike in cases a few weeks later.. right around the election.. hmmm.. wonder how that’ll play out.. maybe Trump will call it a hoax again? Or maybe he’ll cancel the election “for our safety,” of course. It’ll be interesting no matter what.

            • Except, we aren’t having one crisis, we are having two. The virus and the economic damage. So which experts are we suppose to listen too. Neither experts, by themselves can handle this situation by themselves. Might be why, the experts are used to advise in this country, not lead.

              • The virus and the economic damage.

                A-MEN, SISTER!

                And, of the two, the later is going to last longer and ultimately cause worse devastation.

                I think we’re on the cusp of Great Depression 2.0.

                And if you want to make the case – and it’s a very good case – that “we can’t afford this lockdown much longer, given the damage it will do to our country and our economy, we have to end it and accept the pain now for the sake of our future,” well, that’s a tough sell. Good thing the President is basically a used car salesman.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          HE DID NOT MAKE AN ASSERTION.

          HE EXPRESSED A HOPE. And that was in turn based on some good news being reported about downturns caused by the Social Distancing and Stay at Home orders.

          As Dr. Fausi stated Monday. When he and his colleagues advised Mr. Trump it would not be possible and the Stay at Home should be extended to the end of April………… HE IMMEDIATELY AGREED.

          And tell me this Mathius. Who in the hell was misled by his statement? What confusion was actually created that affected anyone? The only thing that happened was the Press and Democrats getting their tails tied in a knot ONE MORE TIME.

          • Hope isn’t allowed, per the democrats. Yet, Hope is essential.

            “Hope is one of the most important mental traits in life. Without doubt, it is one of the most important traits of positive people. Hopeful people are able to face even the most negative times with a positive attitude. And because of the many health benefits of optimism, hope significantly improves our mental health.”

            Remember the saying : Hope for the best, plan for the worse. Seems to me, that’s what Trump has been trying to do from the very beginning . Quite frankly, a Democrat leader would have done the same thing.

            • Hope isn’t allowed, per the democrats. Yet, Hope is essential.

              Hope is VITAL.

              False hope is poison.

              —-

              “We will survive this! – good
              “Pews will be full on Easter” – bad.

              Quite frankly, a Democrat leader would have done the same thing.

              I 100% guarantee you that Obama’s response would have been dramatically closer to Cuomo’s than Trump’s.

              Optimism, sure, but realism. And, certainly, try to avoid setting false expectations.

              Sometimes, sacrifice and resolve are called for. And touting the easy way out and suggesting that the sacrifice won’t be necessary undermines people’s willingness to do the necessary.

              “Hey, VH, I know times are hard and you’re watching your savings dwindle… and I know some experts say you need to cut back and conserve, but I think you should buy lotto tickets. I hope that by buying lotto tickets, you’ll strike it big, you’ll see, trust me, I know the most about lotteries. No need to worry or cut back, just buy some PowerBall tickets!” Then I come to you say “that’s bad advice. Seriously, you need to cut your expenses, spend less. I know it’s hard and it sucks, that that’s the answer.” Sure, intellectually, you know I’m right… but I bet you’re wondering right now what you’d spend your millions of winnings on.

              —-

              Trump: “I don’t believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators.”

              Cuomo: “That’s a numerical projection from the rate of increase. My job is to follow that science, follow that data. I hope they’re wrong. I hope I don’t need 40,000. I hope I don’t need 30,000.” […] “I hope this whole facility, Lester, stays empty and we built it for nothing.”

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Yet of the two examples, which had the greater negative impact on the rest of us?

                Let me tell you……….Cuomo’s demand for more ventilators and him accusing the President of only sending 400 when it was 4000.

                You see, hoarding ventilators and basing your demands on advice that is not aligning with other experts is damaging to The Greater Good.

          • I think his efforts at “staying positive” have been a more-or-less steady drumbeat of “this won’t last long” “a miracle cure is just around the corner” “this will all vanish as if by magic” and so on.

            Taken individually.. ::shurg::

            Collectively, I think this seriously undermines any communal sense of sacrifice to the greater cause of stopping this thing.

            I think my analogy to the Blitz is surprisingly apt. What would that have looked like if Churchill had given false hope and false expectations that it would be short term, that a miracle “cure” was right around the corner, etc? You think so percentage of Brits might have decided to violate the curfew and held bonfires in defiance of the policy? Maybe given away their position and gotten people killed?

            If – IF – we accept that this disease presents a credible threat in the manner experts seem to generally agree it does, then the Great Quarantine of 2020 is very much a necessity. And the leader of the country shouldn’t be undermining that with false hope and false expectations that it will all be over any minute now.

            • And the leader of the country shouldn’t be undermining that with false hope and false expectations that it will all be over any minute now.

              Nor should any leader be the doom and gloom prophesy.

              • It’s almost like a nuanced middle ground is called for.

                Good thing Trump is known for his nuance.

              • Nor should any leader be the doom and gloom prophesy.

                I know I’m a bit abnormal on this, but I VASTLY prefer “just the facts, ma’am.”

                If it’s doom and gloom, then I want to hear doom and gloom, straight up. If it’s sunshine and puppy dogs, that’s what I want to hear. So be it.

                I remember when into my consult for my tumor. The doctor starts prattling on about differentials and “it might not be” and “we won’t know for sure.” I stopped him and said “let’s just pretend that I’m a med student and you’re giving a lecture about someone with my presentation. How does that go?” I’m fairly sure if my wife had been present, she would have run screaming from the room, or else burst into uncontrollable sobbing. But, for me, that’s exactly how I wanted.. needed.. it.

                It was as though someone had thrown a switch and all the comforting bedside manner just went *poof*. “90% it’s cancer (most likely non-aggressive with a low chance of it being aggressive). If so, 80% you’ll be fine after removal. 15% some facial damage / paralysis. 5% terminal. The remaining 10% (non-cancer) still has to be removed because it has a 90% likelihood of turning into cancer in the future. Same odds apply to the risk of facial paralysis. Death is maybe 1%. Leave it there and 80% you die in the next few years, 10% you die in the next decade, 10% you’re fine. All these answers are subject to change with the results of further testing, but this is the current situation. Chemo is unlikely, pending biopsy, but radiation is almost certain.” That was something I could wrap my brain around and work with.

                I couldn’t bear the fluffy optimism and “there’s hope” bullshit. It was what it was. I can’t proceed with rational decision making when everything is clouded with hope and “well maybe’s” and no one wants to give the downside scenario. BLECH.

                Hey, Mathius, do this or you probably die. 90% likelihood. Ok, then. How the hell am I supposed to make an informed decision without that being crystal clear?

                This conversation took 30 seconds, deposited all the pertinent information, left my choices clear, left my next steps clear.

                But I do understand that that “bedside manner” would generally not have gone over well with most people.

                But, for me, it was the ONLY way to do it.

            • So far your experts have dramatically overestimated the problem similar to the AGW issue. Your Blitz analogy is also not valid because the size and magnitude of the problem was widely known. Where and when he could, Churchill offered hope and resolve. I see nothing wrong with Trump offering hope that this will pass. Currently I think our reactions to this virus are over blown. If it is to be with us forever, then we might as well get it over with and get back to business before we are all totally out of TP, eggs, milk and other essentials.

              • So far your experts have dramatically overestimated the problem similar to the AGW issue,

                So far, there is absolutely no way you could possible prove tat assertion.

                So far your experts have dramatically overestimated the problem similar to the AGW issue

                I was walking down the middle of the street, drunk as a skunk, and wearing all black one day. My buddy Bob shouted at me, “get out of the way, you idiot!” so I dove off to the side and skinned my knee.

                Just then, a car flew past me.

                God, was a jerk that Bob is, right? I mean, the car didn’t hit me, so he completely overreacted and caused me to skin my knee!

                I see nothing wrong with Trump offering hope that this will pass.

                There’s nothing wrong with Trump offering hope that this will pass.

                There IS something wrong with Trump offering delusional expectations of how soon it will/could pass.

                Currently I think our reactions to this virus are over blown.

                If it is to be with us forever, then we might as well get it over with and get back to business before we are all totally out of TP, eggs, milk and other essentials.

              • Mathius, I do not know were you get your information but is has been well publicized that the expert predictions on cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were over estimated by about a factor of 4 even after social distancing and other factors were added to the model. HHS has not scraped the models and is going by real data.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              I see you have also fallen victim to the creeping goal post syndrome being pushed by some on the left.

              “Collectively, I think this seriously undermines any communal sense of sacrifice to the greater cause of stopping this thing.”

              The actions taken to date HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STOPPING THIS THING. It was to keep the hospitals from being overloaded. That was it, that was all. THAT WAS ACHIEVED and then some. Even in areas hit by the virus the Hospitals have not been over loaded. New York may be the exception, and maybe some places in Michigan now. But not the rest of the country.

              Got it?

              Ergo, your criticisms are misdirected, without foundation in fact.

              • The actions taken to date HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH STOPPING THIS THING. It was to keep the hospitals from being overloaded

                I stand corrected. I misspoke before.

                THAT WAS ACHIEVED and then some.

                That has been achieved… so far.

                But if we lift the quarantine / shut down, what then…?

                New York may be the exception, and maybe some places in Michigan now. But not the rest of the country.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              “But if we lift the quarantine / shut down, what then…?” It will rise again, as it was expected to do when the “EXPERTS” asked for the stay at home orders.

              How quickly we forget. The one to two month shut down was to PREPARE for the greater numbers. NOT TO KEEP US AT THE LOW NUMBERS INDEFINITELY.

              It it were the latter then there SHOULD NOT be any howling about Federal failure to increase supplies of various things, like respirators, masks and other PP gear.

              And Dunning-Kruger has NOTHING to do with my comments.

              • How quickly we forget. The one to two month shut down was to PREPARE for the greater numbers. NOT TO KEEP US AT THE LOW NUMBERS INDEFINITELY.

                it was to “flatten the curve.”

                And Dunning-Kruger has NOTHING to do with my comments.

                That sounds like what someone suffering from Dunning-Kruger would say. 😛

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              And what was the reason for “flattening the curve”??????

              • So that we didn’t overtax our system as we ramped up to be able to cope with this disease.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Against the law in NYC🙂

  21. Asked what metrics he would use to make his judgment, he pointed at his forehead: “The metrics right here, that’s my metrics.”

    • It was a stupid question by a stupid reporter. He had already answered how he would come to a decision.

      • By pulling it out of his ass?

        • By actually seeing and hearing what he said, not what CNN tells you. You should try it sometime.

          • By pulling it out of his ass? Perhaps. The experts do not know better right now either. And, I feel, that the so called experts will not think “out of the box”. In a leadership position, and I have been in many, you have a staff…the staff offers recommendations and advice and warnings….but the ultimate decision is up to who ever is in charge.

            You weigh advice…you weigh the consequences, you weigh the alternatives. You have many experts giving you information……THEN the decision is yours to make. Experts do not make the decisions and should not. They give advice.

            • Were I in charge right now, I would be over riding the Surgeon general on several items. ……but I am not in charge. I would be taking more risks…..given the numbers I am seeing. But it is an election year and the last thing that anyone in Washington is going to do (Republican or Democrat) is do what is right for the people.

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    I agree, whether intentional or not it has move the Dems to a position they adamantly opposed not long ago.

    https://www.redstate.com/darth641/2020/04/15/opinion-trump-whitewashes-the-fence/

    P.S. A great comment on another site yesterday. Following the Dems screaming about Trump being a Tyrant for suggesting it was HIS decision to open up the economy again. Paraphrasing.

    Oh the horror of the Tyrant we now have in the White House. This man who thinks he has the power to give us freedom and liberty. To restore our rights .

    We must impeach him immediately lest this idea of removing constraints imposed by Governors catch on.

  23. Dale A Albrecht says:

    1) saw a great cartoon yesterday. Two grossly overweight people looking at their door. Caption “OK, they’ve lifted the stay at home order and we can go back to work, but how are we supposed to get out the door”?

    2) in a county Wake County with 1.1 Million people and our State’s Capital, arrested yesterday a group of people who while maintaining social distancing were protesting the governors continued lockdown in the county. The county has had ZERO deaths. The arrest charges were doing a non-essential activity.

    I guess exercising their constitutional rights are now non-essential….

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      The only businesses that really closed in our area were bars and restaurants and activities that required close contact. Most others closed because the customers stayed home so there was no sense to stay open or their national headquarters said CLOSE. Even b&b were available but NO tourists. Some i know people are canceling reservations through June now but occasionally I see a guest come for a stay.

      State controlled venues like Tryon Palace are closed. Sure close the Palace tour that requires people packing un a room with a docent. But to visit the vast beautiful gardens is free and never had i seen people cluster. They spread out to enjoy the beauty and solitude but the State officials shut them down. State controlled beaches are closed but even in the summer social distancing is practiced and we have hundreds and hundreds of miles of beaches .with NO habitation. The State has shut down boat ramps they control, but local controlled facilities stayed open.

    • The arrest charges were doing a non-essential activity. Dangerous…very dangerous

      • When this is over, the government is not going to be very eager to give back this power..

        • Just A Citizen says:

          AGREED.. Although, I think it will be given back but then used again, and again. Each time due to a lesser threat. I believe those who seek ultimate power have gotten the information they need from this one.

          Most of us are cowards.
          Most of us follow “leaders” and “experts” as if they were angels sent by God.
          Most of us will do as we are told. By the time we complain it will be to late.
          Most of us can be manipulated to attack our friends and neighbors for The Greater Good.

          These lessons have been ongoing for decades. The analogy of boiling frogs applies here. We are reaching the final stages. It will happen. What is not known is how long before the next Civil War or Revolution. Or will it occur at all?

          • Although, I think it will be given back but then used again, and again.

            Sounds about right.

            Most of us can be manipulated to attack our friends and neighbors for The Greater Good.

            or because they’re a selfish git who ignorantly confuses “being stopped from spreading plague” with “being oppressed.”

            What is not known is how long before the next Civil War or Revolution. Or will it occur at all?

            Probably by next Easter. Pews will be full of Civil War soldiers. I’m imagining packed pews, wall to wall, you know Easter is a very special time to me, and I think that would be just great, so I’d say we’ll be in open war by Easter.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Because they are selfish they should be killed…………… Only a week ago we were NOT supposed to wear masks.

              A man was arrested after deputies say he threatened a mass shooting at a Florida Publix store because “not enough people” were wearing masks outside during the COVID-19 pandemic.

              Robert Kovner, 62, of Sebring was arrested and booked late Tuesday night for the threat he wrote on Facebook, according to the Highlands County Sheriff’s Office.

              “The writer was upset that not enough people, in his opinion, are wearing masks when they are out and about,” the sheriff office said.

        • Dale A Albrecht says:

          True true true. And in the future if somebody sneezes lock it down

          • I think what happened in the Wisconsin primary was a test run for November.

            I think every piece of shit politician on both sides is looking at this and wondering how and if they can turn the quarantine into a voter-suppression tool.

            I think this naturally lends itself better to the Republicans, just because the left tends to cluster in cities which are, de fact, more vulnerable to pandemics. Thus closing all but 5 polling places for 600,000 people – mostly liberal – is easier, more practical, and has better plausible deniability than the inverse, restricting rural voters. If you can stop the cities from voting, the Red Team gets a big boost.

            Watch for the Republican governors and statehouses, especially in swing states, to use this new power to try to keep Democrats home.

            (to be clear, again, I think the Democrats would be just as happy to use it against the Republicans.. it’s just that I don’t think it’d be as effective or deniable if they do)

          • Let’s gaze into the crystal ball, shall we……

            ::three days to the November election::

            ::someone coughs in Ohio, presents with trouble breathing::

            ::Governor DeWine (R) orders all major cities under lockdown, shuts down all but one polling place in Columbus, suspends public transit::

            ::Democrats get crushed by low turnout::

            ::Republicans act innocent and shocked – shocked, I say! – at accusations that this was a partisan tactic. Claim “he was only trying to protect Ohioans!” Accuse the Democrats of being being sour grapes and wanting to overthrow the legitimate results of a valid democratic election::

            ::The guy with the cough tests negative. His identity leaks and it turns out that he had strong ties to the Republican Party, the governor, and Trump. The left claims this link as evidence that this was a deliberate setup. The right accuses the left of conspiracy mongering and TDS::

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    We are getting ready to spend some of that Uncle Sam Money, you know, the checks with Mr. President’s signature on them. Bwahahahaha

    https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article241980926.html

    • As is always the case, I won’t get anything.

      As usual, the rich-rich get bailouts and every tax break imaginable.

      The poor get subsidized.

      The well-off get taxed into oblivion, but get none of the perks.

      (Referring to federal / state here. Local is a different matter.)

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Perhaps, but that is due to the left wing thinking which you so often espouse. That is the pain you personally feel would not go away.

        I guess it might make you feel better if the folks richer than you got hurt more. But then I suggest you ask yourself why that would make you feel better. Another person’s pain being the need you seek.

        Or is this really more about “Everyone is picking on me”.

        • Perhaps, but that is due to the left wing thinking which you so often espouse. That is the pain you personally feel would not go away.

          Not really.

          I’m happy with the poor getting stuff.

          It’s just the RICH getting stuff while I get the shaft.. that irks me.

          That’s not really the “left’s” doing. That’s the bought-and-paid-for Congress.

          I guess it might make you feel better if the folks richer than you got hurt more.

          Nooooo. JAC, come on.. you know me better than that!

          From each according to his ability. To each according to his need.

          The rich have no need.

          They are rich.

          They are getting because they are also rich enough to buy congress.

          If you want to take from me to give to those in need, that’s fine (within reason! Shut up.) But to take from me to give to someone who DOESN’T need and, in fact, has more than I will in a dozen lifetimes.. ? No.

          Another person’s pain being the need you seek.

          That actually is a serious personal gripe I have with some people.

          My older brother, as I’ve discussed here, is a man who can seemingly only find happiness in the suffering of others.

          That was, of course, a pleasure to grow up with.

          It’s also something I’ve complained about re Trump and Gman. That they seemingly find pleasure not in doing the right thing or helping the United States or whatever. But rather, in the consternation of the left. Pissing off half the population of this country is something that Trump (and his enablers like Gman) seemingly enjoy. And I find that totally fucked up.

          Or is this really more about “Everyone is picking on me”.

          That’s closer to it, but still not right.

          Again, though I jokingly throw out Marx, the point is that I’m just fine with taking from me to give to the needy and support the greater good. But I’m not ok with taking from me to give to the rich. I think this should be obvious.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            I am OK with that last statement BUT…….. as long as you are not claiming that them getting to keep their money is some kind of subsidy being paid by you.

            Remember, that cohort above you pays a larger percentage of the total tax than your cohort. It is the very tip top that gets a lower effective rate. But then that is because the tip top makes most of their money via investments. Which you pay the same tax rate on as they do.

            Come to my side and you will live a more peaceful life. If you want to donate to others I will not stand in your way. Do not try to force me to give to others if I do not wish to do so. And I will not try and force you.

            I do have one point to make on the Trump/Gman theory you have about tweeking others. You always seem to forget that is mostly a response to an attack. Despite us old foggies here sharing stories with you about how the left has done this for decades without a response you seem to ignore this when criticizing those on the “right” for finally fighting back.

            Now, I would agree that perhaps that response could be more sophisticated and adult like at times. But this tweeking you speak of has not been done in a vacuum. It was not the first salvo. That is different that tweeking just for the hell of it or the fun of it. That would be just plain Sociopathic.

            • as long as you are not claiming that them getting to keep their money is some kind of subsidy being paid by you.

              To-MAY-to
              To-MAH-to

              I think we all have an obligation to the less fortunate.

              And I think that obligation increases with respect to your capacity to provide.

              If you are a billionaire, you “owe” society more than if you are a millionaire, and more still than a guy with 100k in the bank.

              I think if you are a billionaire, and you are paying a lower effective tax rate than your secretary, I think you are not paying your due even if, in absolute dollar terms, you are paying more.

              I know we – you and I – have our disagreement on the fundamentals here, but I think you can see where I’m coming from, nonetheless.

              I think the rich-rich have shirked their responsibilities to society. Whether that comes in the sense of bailouts or tax breaks, it really doesn’t make a difference to me… it’s just a question of “they aren’t doing their part.”

              And it seems wrong to me that everyone who is able does their part.. except the people who are rich enough to buy control of lawmakers and give themselves breaks they don’t need, instead shifting much of their share of the burden onto the next tier – mine.

              To be clear, I don’t think my tier SHOULD get handouts or breaks. I have enough. I have what I need. I am not hungry or needy or insecure. I have savings. I have a retirement plan. I’m fine. Losing SALT cost me five digits last year. That smarted. And while I grumbled about the poltical motivation behind it and personal pain of, you’ll note that I AGREED that it was right to kill.

              I’m just saying that, if I am doing my part – as I SHOULD – that the rich-rich should have to do their part, too. In full. And not carve out exceptions for themselves to avoid doing their part because they are rich and powerful enough to do so.

              My former boss – the asshole one – has a multi-acre estate in a super expensive area. I’ve been there, the only way to describe it is palatial. He has a beehive on his land, which turns it into a “farm,” which means that for the non-house portion of the property, he pays something like $100 / acre in property tax. Why??? I can’t do that, you need at least 5 acres. How convenient. This mega tax break for his palatial grounds is only open to people with palatial grounds (or legit farmers, who should get this kind of break). See how this goes? THAT kind of thing is my complaint.

              He isn’t doing his part. And I think that’s wrong.

              • David Crockett’s It’s not your money speech:

                “Mr. Speaker — I have as much respect for the memory of the deceased, and as much sympathy for the sufferings of the living, if suffering there be, as any man in this House, but we must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for a part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to appropriate a dollar of the public money. Some eloquent appeals have been made to us upon the ground that it is a debt due the deceased. Mr. Speaker, the deceased lived long after the close of the war; he was in office to the day of his death, and I have never heard that the government was in arrears to him. This government can owe no debts but for services rendered, and at a stipulated price. If it is a debt, how much is it? Has it been audited, and the amount due ascertained? If it is a debt, this is not the place to present it for payment, or to have its merits examined. If it is a debt, we owe more than we can ever hope to pay, for we owe the widow of every soldier who fought in the War of 1812 precisely the same amount. There is a woman in my neighborhood, the widow of as gallant a man as ever shouldered a musket. He fell in battle. She is as good in every respect as this lady, and is as poor. She is earning her daily bread by her daily labor; but if I were to introduce a bill to appropriate five or ten thousand dollars for her benefit, I should be laughed at, and my bill would not get five votes in this House. There are thousands of widows in the country just such as the one I have spoken of, but we never hear of any of these large debts to them. Sir, this is no debt. The government did not owe it to the deceased when he was alive; it could not contract it after he died. I do not wish to be rude, but I must be plain. Every man in this House knows it is not a debt. We cannot, without the grossest corruption, appropriate this money as the payment of a debt. We have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity. Mr. Speaker, I have said we have the right to give as much of our own money as we please. I am the poorest man on this floor. I cannot vote for this bill, but I will give one week’s pay to the object, and if every member of Congress will do the same, it will amount to more than the bill asks.”

              • David Crockett

                Isn’t that the guy who surrendered at the Alamo and was executed by Santa Anna?

              • Irrelevant. You do not have the right to force me to make charitable contributions. It is just not your money.

              • Irrelevant. You do not have the right to force me to make charitable contributions. It is just not your money.

                No, that’s what the government is there for… to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, etc. 🙂

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                Yes, I know where you are coming from. I always have.

                Your are a FASCIST Good Samaritan. The Do Gooder who can’t just do good but must force others to comply with his own beliefs and values.

                And for the life of me I do not understand why someone who has made more money has a “greater obligation”. The more they trade the more they make. Every dollar earned is a dollar freely given in exchange by someone else. All parties get what they seek in value and then because one has more in the end this somehow creates an obligation disproportional to the benefits gained outside the commercial transactions.

                As for your Progressive thinking, did not God say give 10%. You know a FLAT TAX.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        I felt your pain 10 years ago.

        When i lived in Vermont the utilities commission was pretty bad, but honest🙂. Our village had it’s own power supply. A series of 4 flood control dams that also generated our power, uninterrupted 24/7 cheap renewable energy. An interesting clause in State law says that utility companies CAN NOT shut off electricity etc during the winter months because it is life endangering. No disagreement there. But during the winter months the electric bill doubles it rate/kilowatt hour. So not only does you use go up but the rate doubled. One year the commission approved a really serious rate increase and we challenged it…..the honesty part of the commission is inserted here. The fact that people know they can not be disconnected for non payments they just dont pay. Therefore we increased the rate and enough people who dutifully pay their bill keeps the companies from taking a loss.

        What also pissed us off was Burlington down the road went GREEN. When it got seriously cold they could NOT generate enough power to heat the homes and businesses and the commission would force our power company to divert, and i mean switch over 100% of our electricity to feed Burlington. Then after an hour or so switch back to heat our houses then switch it all back to Burlington. Everybody I knew that had baseboard radiators had them burst and cause all sorts of damage. Me I never went the popular approach and stayed with forced air and moved all my water lines well into the interior of the house

        • Any thoughts on Geothermal? I keep looking into it.. it’s getting cheaper and and easier..

  25. Just A Citizen says:

    Colonel

    A little opinion piece that fits right in there with your “Rant” from above.

    Note: I posted to some left leaning type last night, who was crying for continued shutdowns, that someone should send all the Governors a copy of “Profiles in Courage”.

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    Report out of Germany. Study there concluded that Covid 19 does not significantly spread due to casual contact. Like shopping.

    The primary cause of significant infection is concentrated gatherings for prolonged periods.

    This would explain how restaurants seem to have played such a major role in the spread from Austria to Europe and Iceland as well as info. gathered in Sun Valley. They believe it was the Ski Lodge lunch crowds and the folks then gathering in local restaurants at night that caused it to explode so quickly.

    Note to those who need absolute cold facts to feel comfortable: This does not mean you cannot get infected by casual contacts. It just means the odds are far LESS than we have been led to believe. And that stopping such contacts has not materially slowed the rate of spread. Apparently the Germans have one of the lower rates of spread. I have not confirmed this but it was in the same story.

    • The primary cause of significant infection is concentrated gatherings for prolonged periods.

      … Like…. megachurches with full pews on Easter?

      This would explain how restaurants seem to have played such a major role in the spread from Austria to Europe and Iceland as well as info. gathered in Sun Valley. They believe it was the Ski Lodge lunch crowds and the folks then gathering in local restaurants at night that caused it to explode so quickly.

      Seems reasonable.

      I don’t know, specifically, about “ski lodge lunch crowds,” but restaurants with close quarters and airborne droplets getting on food.. yea.. ripe for spread.

      Note to those who need absolute cold facts to feel comfortable:

      OH! That’s me!!

      This does not mean you cannot get infected by casual contacts.

      Correct.

      But, also, just remember that the odds of getting murdered by a mallard duck with a sniper rifle is also low, but never zero.

      It just means the odds are far LESS than we have been led to believe.

      I don’t know about ‘what we have been led to believe..” I think the information has been developing and people have advised an abundance of caution in the face of the unknown.

      That said, I would, generally, agree that it’s much less than many people seem to think it is.

      And that stopping such contacts has not materially slowed the rate of spread.

      Maaaybbeee.. I’m not sure we can support this conclusion. I would have to read the study and, anyway, I still like staying home all day and not wearing pants! 😛

      Apparently the Germans have one of the lower rates of spread. I have not confirmed this but it was in the same story.

      The Germans are an efficient people.

      They also have universal health care, a strong culture of hygiene, and extensive past experience with people hiding for their lives in attics.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        Actually the article did mention their sense of hygiene as a contributing factor. I had forgotten that until you mentioned it.

        UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE………. also exists in those countries which had terrible numbers, like Italy. Which was ranked in the top 3 globally in terms of quality systems.

        And since the US system has not been over loaded and there is no evidence of spread due to lack of available health care, I think it wrong to keep playing the universal health care card due to the virus outbreak.

        • UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE………. also exists in those countries which had terrible numbers, like Italy.

          Yes, but they lack GERMAN EFFICIENCY.

          Ask your self this: which is more reliable: a Volkswagon or a Ferrari?

          And since the US system has not been over loaded and there is no evidence of spread due to lack of available health care, I think it wrong to keep playing the universal health care card due to the virus outbreak.

          Maybe.

          But, you and I both know damned well that people are going to keep pounding that drum.

          • Yes, but they lack GERMAN EFFICIENCY.

            A German medical lawyer who criticized the coronavirus lockdown law was arrested and taken to a psychiatric ward, where she says she was violently abused by authorities.
            Beate Bahner published a press release on April 3rd decrying the German lockdown laws as “flagrantly unconstitutional, infringing to an unprecedented extent many of the fundamental rights of citizens.”
            “These measures are not justified by the Infection Prevention Act, hurriedly amended just a few days ago,” she asserted. “Long-term restrictions on leaving home and meeting others, based on high-death-rate modelled scenarios, which fail to take account of actual critical expert opinions, and the complete shutdown of businesses and shops with no proof that they pose any risk of infection, are thoroughly unlawful.”
            Bahner called for a nationwide protest on Easter Sunday to “end the tyranny at once,” before Heidelberg Police announced that they would seek to prosecute her for inciting Germans to break the law.

            I doubt that their medical expertise is the reason.

            • German authorities were quick to point out that Bahner had done poorly in her studies. As a result, they were pleased to announce the opening of a new camp just for people like her to work on their concentration.

              They also gave her a gold star to wear for her efforts.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Italy for example has been extremely hard hit. Historically due to fire hazard people ate out. They rarely cooked at home. Especially in large cities with multistory housing like Rome etc. The habit is still engrained with the Italians. With the years I lived there I rarely cooked at home. Light meals grill outdoors yes. But in the winter the weather and snow was pretty nasty. Eating out was social .and the way my local mafia protection introduced me to the neighborhood and I was left alone.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    In Idaho the majority of those infected are under the age of 50. I still wonder why they used 50 as the age break but they did. If the elderly were the issue I don’t know why they didn’t use 60 or 65. You know, those working vs. not working.

    Anyway, I think this is consistent with Idaho’s approach of not having a total shutdown. Everything Construction related is essential. Including all production of food and wood products.

    Aside to Michigan Governor: Why don’t you try declaring T-P as NON ESSENTIAL????

    What I do not know at this time is the age spread of the deaths. There were reports early on that most suffered other health issues. But not much since the numbers got higher.

    There does seem to be a general lack of information we could use to judge things on our own. And it seems that much of the information provided by various States, the Fed and Media is not directly comparable.

    I am getting that tingling feeling on the back of my neck. That same one my Texican brother has been getting of late.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      My local grocery store apparently got every back order from the past 2 months of paper towel in yesterday. Not only were the designated shelves full, but they had pallets in the open available spaces full of the product. .

  28. A severe case of TDS, combined with cabin fever, has some going a little….umm….well, you can figure it out 😛

    • it never ceases to amaze me how your comics so often reflect Trump as fit and virile when he’s old and obese… one might call this Freudian..

  29. There is one summary for H.R.5717. View summaries
    Shown Here:
    Introduced in House (01/30/2020)
    Gun Violence Prevention and Community Safety Act of 2020
    This bill makes various changes to the federal framework governing the sale, transfer, and possession of firearms and ammunition. Among other things, the bill does the following:
    generally requires individuals to obtain a license to purchase, acquire, or possess a firearm or ammunition;
    raises the minimum age—from 18 years to 21 years—to purchase firearms and ammunition;
    establishes new background check requirements for firearm transfers between private parties;
    requires law enforcement agencies to be notified following a firearms-related background check that results in a denial;
    creates a statutory process for a family or household member to petition a court for an extreme risk protection order to remove firearms from an individual who poses a risk of committing violence;
    restricts the import, sale, manufacture, transfer, or possession of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity ammunition feeding devices;
    restricts the manufacture, sale, transfer, purchase, or receipt of ghost guns (i.e., guns without serial numbers);
    makes trafficking in firearms a stand-alone criminal offense;
    requires federally licensed gun dealers to submit and annually certify compliance with a security plan to detect and deter firearm theft;
    removes limitations on the civil liability of gun manufacturers;
    allows the Consumer Product Safety Commission to issue safety standards for firearms and firearm components;
    establishes a community violence intervention grant program; and
    promotes research on firearms safety and gun violence prevention.

    This is from the derp who thinks Guam could flip over if one side gets overpopulated.

    • So it’s safe to say that Mathius is pedaling liberal lies? Why yes, yes he is 😛

      • Well, I mean, since we’re living in a world were “liberal lies” is defined as “anything that’s not obsequiously sycophantic toward the Dear Leader,” then yes.

    • So you’re calling it fake news because the treasury department denied that there will be a delay?

      I have never seen an important process (like cutting checks) get a change, however minor, that doesn’t take a bit of time to test and retest and re-re-test in order to ensure that you don’t fuck up something significant.

      This isn’t a mom-and-pop shop. If they’re changing the checks, there’s a QA and testing process that takes a day or two of turnaround.. either that or they’re running a wild-west kind of shop over there. And we should all be concerned if the federal printing presses have inadequate QA and testing.

      But, ok, fine. Even if – IF – there’s no delay, the fact of the matter is that he’s still insisting on adding his name to the check because he’s an overgrown man-baby who wants to get credit for the handout.

      Let me check the article I read… yup, there is it… second paragraph the treasury denies there will be a delay. Boy, that sounds like fake news to me! Report a FACT (the overgrown man-baby’s name is being added to the checks), a near certainty (this will take time to QA the change and delays are likely), and then the denial of that delay by the people who are implementing it. Golly gee! What disreputable scoundrels these reporters are to give us facts, likely outcomes, and the response by the relevant officials!

      But, you know, I read it on Bloomberg News, so maybe that’s more reputable, let’s take a look at WaPo.. nope, second para “Treasury officials disputed that the checks would be delayed.”

      CNN? 2nd para again. “potentially slowing a process that could already take up to 20 weeks. The Internal Revenue Service, however, insists that the move will not result in a delay.”

      SCOUNDRELS!!

      • Mathius, the Liberal news lies continuously, twisting the facts constantly, editing comments to make them mean something different than what was said. This happens on a daily basis and each time they are proven to be liars, yet you continue to fall for their dishonesty. That’s just sad.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Not delay the process yeah right😁 one typo and you’ve got a counterfeit check.

        A bureaucrat in Firenzi mis-spelled Poughkeepsie when I was just trying to transfer the license tag in my car from there to Catania. It took another year to sort it out. I even had a Carbinerei officer accompany me to the DMV….questo non justo. I must return the forms. I was really getting tired of getting stopped by police road blocks with machine guns drawn because NOBODY drove their car from the north to Sicily. Besides many time I myself had a machine gun in the boot. I took some DC friends out to dinner one night in Sicily when they visited. It freaked them out when we hit a road block and a 120mm cannon from a tank was aimed at your windsheild

        • Not delay the process yeah right😁 one typo and you’ve got a counterfeit check.

          Just watch, there’s no delay, then everyone in America gets a check with the same check number on it, and they all bounce as already-cashed.

          Not delay the process yeah right😁 one typo and you’ve got a counterfeit check.

          Somehow I know you would get this.

  30. Huge protest against Michigan Gov Half Whitmer’s Nazi BS. She should NEVER see public office.

  31. The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

  32. So Cuomo is now giving away ventilators he did not need. Once again Trump was right.

    • Cuomo: “I hope we don’t need 30,000 ventilators. I hope some natural weather change happens overnight and kills the virus globally. That’s what I hope, but that’s my hope. That’s my emotion. That’s my thought. The numbers say you may need 30,000.”

      How DARE he try to have enough on hand to handle the nightmare scenarios and then not need them because, at least in part, the measures he helped put in place have helped avoid that nightmare scenario!?

      And then the AUDACITY to admit that the situation has stabilized in his state and to give excess equipment to another state which is in worsening shape! The horror!

      I mean, only 11k people have died of the virus in New York so far. That’s only, what THREE 9/11’s? So far. What’s everyone getting in a tizzy over? What an idiot he was to think this might turn out badly and he’d need to be prepared for what the best estimates at the time suggested might be needed in a bad scenario?

      Trump, after all, simply pulled the assertion out of his gigantic ass that he didn’t think that NY would need that many. You know what? Cuomo didn’t necessarily think that either. He was being prepared.

      Unlike the guy who fired the pandemic response team with the brilliant idea that, if he needed them, he could get them back quickly. Because, I don’t know, it’s better to react than be over-prepared.

      And anyone who prepares for the worst case is an idiot.

      And anyone who guesses that the worst case won’t happen is a prophet. Well, I mean, as long as that person is Trump.

      Once again Trump was right.

      Where’s that miracle disappearance once the weather turns nice?

      That anti-science bloviating posturing windbag just vomits – constantly – out of his face-hole whatever the toxic sludge that passes for his brain churns up.

      And you just gobble it up, pick and choose the things that he says that happen to turn out to be accurate (completely regardless of whether he was justified in believing it at the time) and conclude he was right all along.. “once again.”

      Jesus.. talk about bias!

      How many things did he get wrong – so far – in this pandemic? I’d bet he’s been wrong a thousand times. At least.

      There was the time he said anyone who wants a test can get one. Tell that to my brother-in-law and my cousin, and their respective families.

      Ooh, or the time he says a vaccine will be available soon and that we’re very close to a vaccine (hint: we’re not).

      Or that the US was the “most prepared country in the world” (laughably, demonstrably, false)

      The flu is worse? Absolute bullshit.

      His “hunch” that the death rate would be a fraction of a percent, directly contradicting and undermining the CDC? Horseshit.

      Remember when he said it was basically contained? Was that before or after 27,000+ people died? So far.

      Did we have full pews and open for business on Easter? No? Maybe I missed it.

      Yea.. that guy is sure right… again!

      He’s a regular oracle.

      • Where’s that miracle disappearance once the weather turns nice?

        Well, despite that it’s Cuomo’s comment, the weather hasn’t turned nice just yet. Our ground is currently snow covered and we are expecting 1-3 inches on Friday.

        Oh, There wasn’t 40,000 units to give to NY. AND Trump and his team were RIGHT. What you should really be concerned with is that you live in a high tax State and your broke, as Cuomo has said many times.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        YOU my friend have NO IDEA where Mr. Trump got the info that caused him to question the 30,000 ventilators.

        It is completely reasonable to assume he got it from the same people who have been advising him all along. Those EXPERTS you are so fond of tossing around.

        Now lets play the game WHAT IF Mr. Trump had tried to get 30,000 and only needed 10,000. Would YOU be saying he was just doing his job or would YOU be saying he was hoarding?

        • It is completely reasonable to assume he got it from the same people who have been advising him all along.

          I suppose he might have.

          But it’s EQUALLY reasonable to assume that he hears voices coming from the fillings in his teeth, which he believes to be the direct word of God spoken to him due to his special brilliance (you know, his uncle was an MIT professor, Dr. John Trump!) and that these voices told him that Cuomo only needed 6,412 ventilators.

        • It is not like the first time. I posted and article on here that showed that New York City stockpiled respirators in the past, did not use them, did not maintain them, and then sold them. Not a good track record.

  33. The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

  34. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought for you morning Coffee, Red Bull, Dr. Pepper.

    The EXPERTS are pushing for MORE TESTING to begin opening up the economy again. Testing, testing and more testing. So what is gained with all this testing?

    The Govt. now has DNA data base which includes every single person tested.

    Bwhahahahahahaha

    • Yep. Then add on the new Apple/Google partnership on virus tracking apps for the phones. What could possibly go wrong? 👿

      Time to start leaving the main phone at home and carry a burner phone for emergencies.

      • Anita…hate to tell you this…we have had the technology to track and trace burner phones for some time now. We do it through voice recognition.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          This is how we track the whereabouts of drug kingpins…we get a voice print…continuously scan the assigned frequencies and a computer matches voice prints on a daily basis. They, the bad guy, can key a burner phone for 16 seconds and we can trace the voice to a location. Simple actually. We track the position of them all the time. The same can be
          applied to anyone who uses burner and cell phones…all we need is a voice print.

          • ::Mathius begins using a heavy Texas drawl on the phone::

            • thelonestarconnection says:

              Sorry, sir, this technology that we have should really be scaring everyone……it is almost foolproof…even synthesizing a voice is detectable. It is amazing…..A MAAAAAZZZZIIINNNG. and very scary.

              I have actually tested the technology////I spoke a sentence in my regular voice. I then spokje a different sentence using a falsetto voice,,,,,I then spoke a different sentence in Spanish, and I then spoke different sentence through a synthesized….sounded like a Cylon…….The technology correctly identified me each time.

  35. ‘The Bill of Rights, as you well know, protects Americans’ rights — enshrines their right to practice their religion as they see fit and to congregate together to assemble peacefully,” Carlson said. “By what authority did you nullify the Bill of Rights in issuing this order? How do you have the power to do that?”
    “That’s above my pay grade, Tucker,” Murphy responded.

    Murphy is the Governor of New Jersey. He shouldn’t be leading a freaking parade.

  36. Dale A Albrecht says:

    I’m sure there will be a run on Smithfield pork products now. With them closing 3 processing plants. Even though they’re in Missouri and one further west their biggest one, people will hoard here where we have several plants in the vicinity supplying our store. I was wanting to BBQ ribs this weekend so I better get to the store and do my normal thursday shopping.

    Being Chinese owned and WHO has complimented China on how effectively they stopped the spread of the covid virus, uh huh, youd think the owners would pass on their secret process in stopping the virus to their employees abroad.

    The Michigan administration sure is doing some rapid explaining on their prohibitions of buying items in store. Ine explanation is to minimize loitering. The other is that you can go to a nursery or paint store and buy what you want. Spreading the wealth so ti speak.

    Walmart is revisiting their process because it appears stores are being inconsistent.

    I rarely ever go into a Walmart. Never for groceries. But I do pass several un the area. Groceries are always at one end and nursery stuff is at the other. TWO lines.

    I needed some yard maintenance things. Lowes only has the items. No sense in standing in line due to restrictions on how many people can be in the store at any given time. I just let my fingers do the walking and theyll email me when order is ready to be picked up.

    We’ll never get rid if all traces of this virus. So to keep shutting down when an employee is tested positive for weeks on end ir stay closed period is national economic suicide

    Walmart is going to take a serious hit with all cheap the products they buy from China. As is every other company that buy inferior cheap products.

    My Dad always said buy the best tool you can. Itll last possibly a lifetime. Buy a cheap product thinking your saving money. In reality your not. Because you’ll be replacing that cheap crap multiple times.

    I remember the postman opening his trunk un Woodstock NY when I was 4 in 1956 and taking out a shovel. That same shovel was still in use and in my parents garage in 2010. I have a radial arm saw by deWalt. 1955. My father in law was a contractor and used it for at least 30 years. I’ve been using it for 35 years.

  37. Dale A Albrecht says:

    30 minutes and I was notified my order is ready for pickup at Lowe’s. I’ll take care of other business in town so as to nor waste trips if things i scheduled to do over the next few days. One trip out amongst the English and unwashed masses.

  38. Trump is threatening to adjourn both chambers so he can make recess appointments. Does this count as pragmatism? He’s been waiting for years for congress to cooperate.

    Pass the popcorn.

    • thelonestarconnection says:

      It has been done before.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Let me explain how it is done….The POTUS does NOT have the authority to suspend Congress……BUT, he can ask the House Speaker to suspend the HOR and he can ask the Senate Majority Leader to suspend the Senate….both houses can declare a recess at the same time……and the POTUS can then use the “recess” to appoint positions.

        Done all the time. However, in this instance, Pelosi would never suspend the HOR for him…..and I do not think McConnel would either……just research appointees during recess…you will see how many Presidents have done this.

        • Recess appointees aren’t really at question here. That’s a long-standing matter. Happened all the time until the Blues started blocking Bush and now the Senate never officially recesses.

          The problem here, as I see it, is the threat that “they aren’t doing what I want, so I’ll send them home, and then do what I want without the need for their authority since they aren’t in session.” See the problem with that circular reasoning?

          I asked my boss for a raise.
          He said no.
          So I hit him over the head with a lamp and asked him again.
          Since he was unable to answer, I went ahead and approved the raise.

          • I can see Trumps frustration, but even he has admitted that it would be challenged in court. I’m sure there was equal frustration over Garland. Politics is ugly.

            • I’m sure there was equal frustration over Garland. Politics is ugly.

              There was equal or great.

              And I seem to recall your side being absolutely giddy with about it at the time.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Your analogy is flawed. He did not say “do what I want”. He said “do your job”. They have refused to give his candidates a hearing and vote.

                As for Garland, POTUS cannot make a temp. appointment to the Court as far as I know.

                POTUS has this power. It has never been used. I suspect that if it is used it will become a standard playing card in the deck of miscreant behavior among those with Potomac Fever.

              • I think the Garland comparison is more toward the refusing to vote point, not a question of recess appointments..

                Trump: What we’re doing is, and I think anybody here would do it, judges are a priority. A federal judge who’s going to sit for 50 years, potentially, a young judge, going to be sitting for… That’s always going to have to be a priority, but because they’re taking so much time and approving every… They’re trying to put us through the mill. When you talk about partisanship and it’s never ever happened before. You can look at every administration in the history of this country, nobody, nobody has ever had hundreds of people not approved after three and a half years. Go ahead, please.

    • Who with the what now?

      “threatening to adjourn both chambers”?

      When Obama tried to make appointments during the pro-forma sessions of the Sentate, the supreme court said no. Justice Stephen Breyer said: “We hold that the Senate is in session, and not in recess, when the Senate says that it is in session.”

      Scalia went further, saying that the purpose of these recess appointments “were only meant to be used to fill vacancies that just open up between two formal sessions of Congress.”

      (Trump’s assertion that such blocking of judges has “never ever happened before” didn’t go unnoticed as Merrick Garland’s name began trending on Twitter after the briefing.)

      I had to dust off my pocket constitution for this one…

      Art II.3.3: “may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper.”

      Does this count as pragmatism?

      Holy hell, how do you see this kind of thing as “pragmatism”? If Obama had tried to do this, the right would have had a collective aneurism.

      You’d be screaming to the rafters about fascism.

      Just take a step back and look at what he is trying to do:
      1. The Senate has the power to approve appointees.
      2. The Senate is refusing to approve his appointees.
      3. Trump is trying to “adjourn” the Senate so that he can make recess appointments which don’t need approval because the Senate is adjourned.

      If that’s not a blunt-force usurpation of the Senate’s authority, I don’t know what is.

      • Pragmatic..as in focused on reaching a goal.

      • thelonestarconnection says:

        Trump cannot adjourn the Senate. He…..simply…..cannot………! Let it end here. I did not like what Obama did…I did not like what Bush did….I especially did not like what Clinton did. I did not like what Carter did, I did not like what Ford did, I did not like what Johnson did….nobody liked what Nixon did. I double especially did not like what Kennedy did.

        Even a conservative SCOTUS will not allow this….not in my opinion. I do not like what the blue team is doing right now…but to try to suspend Congress…..I would fight it tooth and toe nail.

        • thelonestarconnection says:

          It is also important to define the difference between recess and suspend. Recess is a decision is each respective body. Suspension by a POTUS indicates to me….a power grab and that would get a fight from me and the military.

          Now, here is what I would do…..if Nancy Pelosi sends the house home on a recess, I would call McConnel and ask him to send the Senate home on recess. Then make my appointments.

          One reason, Anita, that he cannot get anything through right now has only to do with the quarantines….he does not have a majority at the time.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            It is NOT “Suspension”. It is an ADJOURNMANT. The issue is until such time as “he shall think proper”. When might that be?

            • It is NOT “Suspension”. It is an ADJOURNMANT.

              What’s the difference?

              he issue is until such time as “he shall think proper”. When might that be?

              The Fifth of Never.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Well, technically he could not Adjourn Congress Past the date of the new congress taking its seat. January 2021.

                Practically speaking, I would expect him to pick a date a month or so out. About the time they would come back from their usual SUMMER break.

                I think he should use the other power in that clause. He should CALL THEM INTO SESSION for the duration of the Summer. I believe Mr. Obama used that threat as well.

        • Even a conservative SCOTUS will not allow this….not in my opinion. I do not like what the blue team is doing right now…but to try to suspend Congress…..I would fight it tooth and toe nail.

          Amen, brother.

          It is also important to define the difference between recess and suspend.

          Technically, I suppose his authority is to “adjourn” them for an amount of time he deems appropriate.

          How this is different from “in recess” or “suspended” is really a matter of interpretation, no?

          Suspension by a POTUS indicates to me….a power grab and that would get a fight from me and the military.

          A) I thought you guys were big on the chain of command and, unless I’m much mistaken, POTUS is at the top of that chain, no?

          B) Are you telling me that the military would actually commit armed insurrection if he were to suspend the sensate? I… I find that hard to credit.

          One reason, Anita, that he cannot get anything through right now has only to do with the quarantines….he does not have a majority at the time.

          Meh.

          He’s has a senate majority for his entire term. They could have rammed through his appointees. They clearly chose not to.

          To claim that they are unable to vote this month on them when they have declined to do so for up-to-years is disingenuous, to say the least.

          My boss has refused to give a raise for four years. But he just got knocked unconscious by a lamp, so let me ask him again right now. What? He can’t answer?! Well, then I better take that as an emergency situation and make the decision for him.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            HE DOES NOT have the majority needed in the Senate. He is able to get JUDGE appointments made only because Harry Reid killed the fillibuster on Judges. Judges ONLY.

            It is the Senate Dems who have held up most of the appointments getting a hearing and vote. But to be fair, a couple were held up by Republicans. I believe that those nominations were withdrawn due to enough R opposition.

            • Fair enough.

              So, then, the Senate has spoken. They have declined to approve his appointees.

              He is, therefore, threatening to shut them down so that he can appoint people over their express objections.

              Did I get that wrong?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                NO, the Senate has NOT SPOKEN.

                But yes, he is threatening to adjourn Congress so he can make TEMPORARY appointments over the objections of a handful of Senators.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Why would you fight something that is allowed by the Constitution?

          That document we swear to protect.

          • It’s an abuse of the system.

            It was never intended to be used this way.

            I won’t call it illegal or criminal. Because it’s not. But it sure as hell is WRONG.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Why is it WRONG? I thought we were in the middle of a NATIONAL EMERGENCY?

              Are you going to continue criticizing the Admin. response while vacancies at the head of critical agencies remain filled by Temporary people????

              What if he provided you with a list of those jobs linked to National Security and response to Covid? Would that make you feel better?

              • Yes. That would make me feel better.

                If the Senate cannot get together to vote due to the pandemic and the question at hand are actually urgent matters – as opposed to those languishing for years – then, yes, I can see how a recess appointment might be more appropriate. Maybe. Somewhat.

                THAT SAID, the Senate can vote and they are still refusing to recess, no? They are doing that expressly to stop him from making recess appointments, no? Seems to me that him forcing them into recess to make those same appointments is a clear usurpation of their authority.

                This isn’t a question of “the senate can’t” wherein this kind of power-grab might make sense. This is a question of “the senate won’t.” And that’s a horse of a different color.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius
              P.S. Adjournment has a to be continued date. Suspension does not. That is the difference.

              Recess is a temp adjournment in essence but not specifics. Congress is Adjourned officially for a period of time BETWEEN the convening of the old/current and New Congress.

              SCOTUS and Congress use the term Recess, however, to mean essentially the same thing with respect to triggering POTUS appointments. A Recess is considered adjournment.

              What has happened is that one house or both declare a recess but really do not do that. They keep some people behind to conduct meaningless business to declare they are NOT really on a recess……….officially.

              • P.S. Adjournment has a to be continued date. Suspension does not. That is the difference.

                And if that to-be-continued date is 2057?

                What has happened is that one house or both declare a recess but really do not do that. They keep some people behind to conduct meaningless business to declare they are NOT really on a recess……….officially.

                Yes… but WHY do they do this?

                They do it for the express purpose of stopping POTUS from making these kinds of recess appointments, no?

    • Anita, 2020: “Does this count as pragmatism? He’s been waiting for years for congress to cooperate. Pass the popcorn.”

      Anita, 2012: “Oh boy..what nerve! I think it was Coburn who threatened him last week one day to not even try this recess appointment. Pass the popcorn!”

      • Seriously? Creeper. I was posting just to get a feel for people’s opinions. You want to box me into a corner.

        Off to get ready for work….with new policy of thermal imaging cameras to take temps now….why don’t I feel good about that?

        • Seriously? Creeper.

          😛

          I was posting just to get a feel for people’s opinions.

          Here’s my opinion – this is one stop before buring the Reichstag.

          You want to box me into a corner.

          Never. That sounds very dangerous for me.

          Off to get ready for work….with new policy of thermal imaging cameras to take temps now….why don’t I feel good about that?

          Because we’re slowly transforming into a dystopian hellscape?

          Because thermal scanners can’t detect the disease until after you’re already contagious, which means this is mostly just for show?

          Hey.. question.. do you get paid for the time you spend in line before and after your shift getting checked for plague or stollen merchandise, respectively? I’ve heard it can take up to a half-hour to leave – if so, it seems to me that that should be “on the clock.”

          • There is no wait time in or out. But if they call shift at 5:30 and it takes me 5 minutes to get to the time clock, I get paid for those 5 extra minutes

  39. Had a bit of a miscommunication with another guy in the back office yesterday. As a result, I ordered a trade that really shouldn’t have been ordered.

    That’s not to say it was “wrong-wrong,” but it wasn’t “right” either.

    The topic looked very similar to something I do all the time and know how to handle, but had a wrinkle I wasn’t familiar with. He assumed I knew about that and didn’t mention it. Really, both our faults. His for being an idiot and not telling me. Me for not having him double-check it since it’s something he usually does and it was my first time doing.

    Ok, fine. Shit happens.

    The other guy spots it this morning (too late to avoid it). Immediately runs to the boss and blames the whole thing on me.

    Asshole.

    Ok, fine. Shit happens. And he’s just playing CYA like a good little bureaucrat.

    Boss calls me steamed, chews me out. I own up to it, completely. I did what I did and I’m sorry it happened and I’ll be more careful about it in the future, but I did, sure as hell, talk to the other guy about it beforehand and he didn’t mention the issue, and I’m sorry I’m not psychic, but it is a sad fact that I am not omniscient. He was also copied on all the emails and never bothered to look at them. But, that’s just how the cookie crumbles.

    And he got to the boss first, so he laid all the blame at my feet. Just went ahead and ran me over with the old snowplow. I suppose, if I’d gotten there first, I’d have tried to present a unified front and accept shared responsibility, but no dice. Such is life.

    Well, I get chewed out and chewed out. At one point, the boss tells me that if we lose money over this, he’s taking it out of my paycheck, since I’m responsible for the trade.

    I’m pretty certain this is an idle threat, but if we’d lost a few hundred, I’d probably fork it over just to show that I take full responsibility as a mature professional.

    Well, we reversed it out today, and there was, in fact, a bit of a difference.

    $250,000 difference.

    In our favor.

    My little whoopsie just made the firm $250k in a single day.

    Now, to see if the boss will see fit to include it in my next paycheck. You know, “since I’m responsible for the trade.”

    • A good boss would apologize. A really good boss would give a nice bonus. A Liberal boss in NY will say you got damn lucky this time, don’t let it happen again and you’ll get squat.

  40. A Michigan judge has issued an order authorizing a county health officer and police to arrest and jail anyone they suspect of being sick with the coronavirus.
    The order includes a blank line for the names of anyone arrested to be filled out later, said the Great Lakes Justice Center, which called the order unconstitutional.
    Judge Mark Trusock of the 17th Circuit Court issued the order in response to a request by Kent County Health Officer Adam London.
    https://www.wnd.com/2020/04/judge-cops-jail-anyone-suspected-sick-coronavirus/

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      “It Can’t Happen Here” by Sinclair Lewis.

      Want to bet. We’re watching it live of just how fast we can turn into a fascist nation.

      In our county we now have 31 confirmed cases over 3.5 months. Most old retired folks are wearing masks. Statistically if testing positive theyll be hit with deaths more often.

      Would those officers in Kent County arrest everyone wearing a mask because they suspect they may be positive. That’s the Carte Blanc that judge ordered. We obviously have our share of judges like those that were on trial in “Judgement at Nurenburg”

    • I thought they were trying to empty the jails?

  41. It is time to let people go back to work especially in the rural and low impacted areas. The shut down was to flatten the curve and allow time for manufacturing to catch up with demand for medical supplies. That phase is over or well underway. We will not stop the spread of the disease. It is inevitable that it will run through the entire population as long as there is no vaccine. If we wait for a vaccine, then we ill have a depression that is twice as bad as the great depression.

    We can still practice social distancing and increased hygiene for the next few months. Restaurants can enforce social distancing removing half the tables. Use table cloths (cloth or paper) and change them after each customer. Airplanes need to increase the refresh air in cabins and install HEPA filters for the recirculated air.

    The death rate appears to be under 0.1% which is not much worse than the annual flu. The problem is there is no herd immunity yet. That will come unless the virus mutates. Spreading out the infection over a longer period of time may just increase the likelihood of mutation.

    There may be a bump in cases about 2 weeks after the economy is opened up. This is to be expected. Life is full of risks. One could start life in a bubble and stay there for eternity. Hence no risk of infection but then is that life?

  42. With the latest revelations, it looks like the Steele dossier was a combination of fiction and Russian disinformation all of which the FBI knew before Mueller was appointed. The Australian bar interview with George Papadopoulos was recorded hence it was not a spontaneous chance event. GP clearly states that there was no interaction with the Russians. All of this must have been known by Mueller shortly after his appointment. As AG Barr says, there was no “Russian collusion” predicate for investigating or spying on the Trump team. Mueller should have shut down the investigation within 60 days of its inception. Heads need to roll for this treason. Nunes, Gowdy, et. al., were right in all there public statements.

    More troubling is the actions of the MSM. Most missed the story or got it completely wrong.

    • The media is the main problem, they aren’t reporters anymore, they, for the most part, are manipulators or just followers.

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