1. WASHINGTON, D.C.—At his press conference last night, President Trump told everyone to stay hydrated and drink lots of water.

    “Water’s tremendous, very powerful stuff,” he said. “You won’t believe the things they can do with water. Water balloons. Water slides. Water beds. It’s amazing. You can freeze it and make ice, I’m told. Ice is great for lots of things. Ice cream. Ice cubes. Igloos.”
    “Anyway, drink water.”
    Horrified journalists scrambled to warn Americans not to drown themselves in their pools and bathtubs.
    “Trump says water is good — but this is very misleading,” said Rachel Maddow. “Did you know that water kills many people every year? These dangerous, unhinged remarks from the president could cause many to drown themselves. Plus, do you know what’s hidden in water? Sharks. This president wants you to die from a shark attack!”
    Representatives for various bottled water companies quickly released a statement distancing themselves from the president’s remarks and warning everyone not to submerge themselves in the ocean for minutes at a time.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      That one fella asking question sure was a TWIT. A reporter with an Agenda/Bias. You could see the Doc’s just biting their lips.

      Take Away?????


  2. Remember LTC Vindeman? The lad that jumped the chain of command and testified about his thoughts on the Ukraine phone call?

    Rut Roh….he was removed from the NSC and given a negative OER (officer evaluation report). He is currently under article 15 review.

    He will never see full Colonel with a negative OER….and it is quite possible that he will be reduced to major and put into forced retirement.

    If this happens, as I think it will……good riddance. DO…..NOT…..JUMP…..the …..Chain of COMMAND……

    Pretty simple. There is no gray area here……..just do not do it.

  3. Marijuana use and Covid 19……very interesting observations.

    “What happens to your airways when you smoke cannabis is that it causes some degree of inflammation, very similar to bronchitis, very similar to the type of inflammation that cigarette smoking can cause,” said pulmonologist Dr. Albert Rizzo, chief medical officer for the American Lung Association. “Now you have some airway inflammation and you get an infection on top of it. So, yes, your chance of getting more complications is there.”

    Hey wait, you might say, I’ve only just started and I’m not smoking much, so what’s the harm?

    The problem, said Dr. Mitchell Glass, a pulmonologist and spokesperson for the American Lung Association, is that the last thing you want during a pandemic is to make it more difficult for a doctor to diagnose your symptoms.

    “COVID-19 is a pulmonary disease,” Glass said. “Do you really want to have a confounding variable if you need to see a doctor or a health care worker by saying, ‘Oh, and by the way, I’m not a regular user of cannabis, but I decided to use cannabis to calm myself down.’

    “Chronic” marijuana smoking, defined as daily use, damages the lungs over a period of time. The end result “looks a lot like chronic bronchitis, which is of course one of the terms we use for chronic obstructive lung disease, or COPD,” Glass said.

    Smokers, people with COPD and other chronic lung diseases as well as people with moderate to severe asthma are among those at high risk for severe illness from COVID-19, including the worst-case scenario of being placed on a ventilator in order to continue breathing.

    Signs of lung damage from smoking even just a few cigarettes can show up in a matter of days. While a hit or two of marijuana doesn’t compare, there are some unique properties to a joint of weed that are definitely problematic for the lungs even if you’re a new smoker, Glass said.

    Think of what happens to a cigarette when lit and left in an ashtray. It will burn quickly all the way down to the filter, with nothing left but ash.

    “It’s surrounded by paper. It’s completely dried out. It is made to burn at a very high temperature,” Glass said.

    Now think of how a joint burns. There’s always some weed left, the “roach,” as it is called.

    “Marijuana burns at a much, much lower temperature than a commercially made cigarette,” said Glass. “Because of that, the person is inhaling a certain amount of unburnt plant material.”

    That irritates the lungs in the same manner as ragweed, birch and oak pollen does for those allergic to them, he said.

    “So right off the bat there are those patients who would be increasingly susceptible to having a bronchospasm or cough because they have a more sensitive airway.”

    And since a dry cough is a key sign of COVID-19, any cough caused by smoking a joint of weed could easily mimic that symptom, making diagnosis more difficult.

    There’s another factor as well. Weed not only calms you down, but it messes with your ability to function, and that does you no favors if you find yourself having a medical emergency during a pandemic.

    “You’re reducing anxiety, but that is still a change in your thinking, a change in the way you are handling facts, how you’re grasping situations,” Glass said.

    In 2018, more than 43 million Americans aged 12 or older reported using marijuana in the past year, according to the 2018 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (PDF).

    About 4 million of those are people with “marijuana use disorder, meaning that this has escalated to the point where it’s a problem in their lives,” said Jessica Hulsey, founder of the Addiction Policy Forum, which advocates on behalf of patients and families struggling with substance use disorder and addiction.

    “Experts at the National Institutes of Health released some guidance for our patients and our families. saying marijuana use disorder could be a risk factor for complications from COVID-19,” Hulsey said.

    “Because it attacks the lungs, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 could be an especially serious threat to those who smoke tobacco or marijuana or who vape,” the NIH said in its announcement.

  4. Trump owns a lot of hotels and resorts. I have not heard how this shut down has impacted his business.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      A great deal especially since I believe he was excluded, deliberately, from using the programs designed to “ease” unemployment.

    • His business is no different than any other, I would expect.

      • I think the idea is that Trump is, generally, more exposed to this pandemic than other businesses. Eg, hotels are shut down, no one is going golfing, etc.

        I don’t know how true this is… Maybe if he’d release his taxes…?

  5. Bill Whittle on the media.

    • What is this supposed to be telling me?

      • That the pollster isn’t too good at predicting political races. It seems they ALL had that problem in 2016 😀

        • It tells you that this poster has a mild systemic bias in favor of the Republicans and that their quality is rated C/D.

          I’d be interested in seeing the full poll before I buy into your oversimplified graph.

          • How about a citation? Let’s see who came up with this.

          • Just A Citizen says:


            Point of Order there mate. It shows that this polls average over predicts Republican performance, as compared to a mean of 0 by ONLY 0,6%

            Not exactly much bias, let alone “mild” bias.

            Here is the irony of this measurement. If you over predict Democrat outcome the difference is recorded as Republican Bias in their regular numbers. For example, Fox predicts Hillary wins by 5 but she wins by 10 that is recorded as Republican bias, even though the poll indicates she will win.

            Summary, these guys are making a living massaging number and manipulating statistics for MEANINGLESS analysis.

  6. T Ray… have got to be kidding me…..San Francisco now banning certain hairstyles? Seriously? You now have hair police?

    “Mayor London Breed has proclaimed that certain hairstyles creates inefficiency, harbors hate, and is against the values San Francisco.” , the San Francisco Chronicle reported. “sometimes citizens just have to be told how to dress, comb their hair, and bathe,” the Chronicle reported. “As Mayor, it is my responsibility to govern and dictate, if necessary, how people appear and what they wear to make San Francisco a decent place to live.”

    The mayor went on to say, ” Even on our beaches, there are swim suits that are just inappropriate. Heavier people refuse to go to the beaches because of their size. It is a form of fat shaming when some girls wear very small swim suits. Wearing any suit that emphasizes shape is just wrong if others feel offended,” the San Francisco Chronicle reported.


    Wow……well, T Ray, I guess you can’t wear your Speedo to the beach now.

    • I… I want to say this is satire, but, you know… San Francisco…


    • First, never wear a speedo nor even own shorts. Second, I live in redneck CA. We disown the nuts in SF. Actually we want to secede and start the State of Jefferson.

      I did not get any response on my comment on state bailouts. I am against them. Let the states go bankrupt and loose statehood. Then a new state(s) can be formed out of the rubble. It would be one way to flush all of the office holders and bureaucrats out and start over.

      • I’m with you T-Ray. Let the States fail. Many were on the verge before this mess, like New York. Too bad New Yorkers can’t see the ills of their voting ways 😛

  7. A hypothetical:


    Suppose it turns out that, a month or two ago, Mr. Trump bought (or his family bought) a stake in Fox Chemicals or Sanofi, the supplier/manufacturers for hydroxyquinoline before he started hawking it like a used car salesman over the screaming objections of his own medical staff?

    To be clear, not “invested in a mutual fund which invests in”.. but “deliberately, directly, invested in.”

    What say you, then?

    • Why just Trump and family. Why not ask about the gang of 8 and other member so Congress? What about governors, et. al.?

      • Because I know you’d be happy to hit them with bus.

        Also because they’re not necessarily the ones doing the hawking.

        The question is whether you’d be willing to admit any wrongdoing by Trump.

        • Have you admitted wrong doing by Obama, Hillary, Biden, Rice, Lynch, Comey, Brennan, ….. All should be prosecuted for known not imagined crimes.

          • I see an attack on your integrity T-Ray.

          • Have you admitted wrong doing by…

            Obama Yes

            Hillary Yes


            Rice Condi? Yes.

            Lynch Not specifically. Assuming you’re talking about her airplane meeting with Bill, I certainly don’t know factually what they spoke about, but the optics were pretty bad.

            Comey I don’t think he did anything wrong.

            Brennan What would you like me to admit he did wrong?


            Now, let’s try it again where you don’t deflect with “yea, but [Democrat]!”

          • Have you admitted wrong doing by Obama […]

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      I say that for you to even propose that… are nuts! Sorry, the social isolation is getting to you. Next you will paint your Prius like a Police car, get a state trooper uniform, and start shooting up and burning down the neighborhood.

      • Catching Trump in some economic wrongdoing is a Liberal wet dream. Wishful thinking with zero basis of fact.

        • It would be a great “gotcha” moment.

          The question, however, that you avoided is: IF it turns out that he invested and then started hawking, would you think he did anything wrong?

      • Or worse put on a mailman’s uniform and go postal.

    • You get to see what I say when he actually executes your hypothetical.

  8. Computer issues here folks…bad cord among other things. Amazon cant get my cord til Monday. Went to Walmart…no cords. Ok how bout THIS computer. Nope. Then THIS one. Nope. All chinese products are in short supply. Best Buy…same thing. No computers under $500 are available. Soooo, I’m on red line battery right now. Will follow along by phone til Monday at least. Peace!

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      I think (and hope) we are going to have to get used to them being in short supply. Hope the Taiwanese , Viets and Thai’s are up to it.

  9. WASHINGTON, D.C.—While President Trump and some Republican governors are pushing to reopen the country soon, Democrats are much more cautious as they see a looming disaster if America ends the shutdown early: Trump getting credit for a growing economy.

    “Right now, we have record joblessness, and GDP is certainly going to take a huge hit,” said Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “That’s exactly what you want in an election year when you’re running against an incumbent. If we reverse that too soon, we’re basically helping Trump’s reelection.”
    “If we reopen now, it could be an absolute disaster,” added Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. “We could have people in November saying, ‘Wow. Things are getting better. Trump is doing a great job.’ It’s hard to imagine anything worse than that.”
    Pelosi and Schumer said that “out of an abundance of caution,” they need to wait to make sure things stay pretty bad until after the election, as that will be the only way to stave off another Trump term.
    “Oh, and I guess if we reopen things too soon,” Schumer added as an afterthought, “it could also lead to a resurgence of people dying.”
    “Well, we’d have to hope,” Pelosi said, “or it would look like Trump knows what he’s doing.”

    • See also: Fox News and media stations that rushed to dismiss Trump and Kavanaugh sexual misconduct allegations, now much more interested in allegations against Biden.

      Hypocrites, the lot of ’em! But if you’re going to call someone out for hypocrisy, you should call both sides out as appropriate, lest I accuse YOU of hypocrisy, too.

      • You didn’t read the article, did you? If you did you would see how the Liberal covered the two and the major differences. This has NOTHING to do with the actual allegations, but the coverage of said allegations. Now, in all fairness, can you prove that FOX news simply dismissed those you claim? Not that it matters, at least they covered it nonstop.

      • You could probably guess that after what the Left did to Kavanaugh, Trump is gonna slam Biden on this till the election.


    “Against a national average of $1,935 in intergovernmental spending per American, red states receive just $1,879. Blue states get considerably more, at $2,124 per resident. Purple states see the least of their money returned to them per capita, at just $1,770. Measured in this way, the blue states are getting quite a bit more than the red or purple.”

    • Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity.

      • Canine Weapon says:

        … unless it’s a Clinton.. then it’s definitely malice.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          When we have been told for years by all your human friends that the Clintons are just brilliant then what should we assume is their motivation if not malice?

  11. U.S.—The nation’s men have urged their state and local governments to end their respective lockdowns before their wives start any more massive home improvement projects they’ll inevitably have to help with.

    Projections indicate that for every week the lockdown continues, your spouse will start an average of 17.5 new DIY home improvement projects, from painting a room or refinishing an old dresser to putting up shiplap or barn doors.
    “This is a crisis. I’m basically living in an HGTV show now,” shouted Los Angeles man Edgar Willis as his wife, Heather, operated a circular saw. “She knocked down a wall yesterday. I’m not even sure she knew why. She just wanted to knock something over, I think.”
    “Yeah, I’m coming!” he yelled to his wife as she asked for his help nailing in another row of shiplap on their bedroom wall.
    A poll found that 97% of spouses have started knocking things over, putting up crown moulding, nailing in baseboards, tearing up carpet, and hanging shiplap on every imaginable surface during the quarantine.
    “This must end.”

  12. Canine Weapon says:

  13. At a press conference this morning, President Trump said “Good morning.” There was an immediate flood of news articles about it. Here are the headlines covering his controversial statement from twelve different news outlets:

  14. WASHINGTON, D.C.—Democratic presumptive presidential nominee Joe Biden was cleared in federal court today of charges that some claimed were based upon credible allegations of sexual assault when the judge quickly realized that Joe Biden was not a Republican.

    “Well, this looks pretty serious… let’s see who is on—wait a minute. He’s a Democrat! I can find no fault with him,” declared a fourth circuit federal judge hearing preliminary claims.
    “It is well established in this court that Republicans are the ones who want to silence women and control their bodies. Haven’t you seen The Handmaid’s Tale?” the judge further added before banging down the gavel.
    The bailiff immediately grabbed the female accuser by the collar and threw her up into the air out onto the sidewalk, just like in the cartoons.
    The allegations against then-Senator Joe Biden date back to 1993. Several other people had corroborated key details relating to the seriousness and timing of the intern’s story including a discovered CNN clip of her mother calling The Larry King Show and a neighbor confirming that the woman had told her at the time what had happened. However, this circumstantial evidence of vile behavior, even interpreted under the generous standard of “believe all women” set by the government in prior cases involving Republicans, was declared to only be valid if the alleged perpetrator was a greedy, evil Republican.
    “This is a victory for the judicial standard in our country of assuming the accused are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law,” stated Alyssa Milano. “We always need to maintain this standard of maintaining silence and withholding judgment on such cases when it is convenient and maintains our narratives.”
    “I believe and hear you, Joe” she added.
    At publishing time, celebrities were circulating a video in which they were singing individual lines of “Imagine” off-key in support of the rich, old, white male Democrat who was promising to take down the bad orange man.

    • ATLANTA, GA—CNN finally devoted prominent primetime airtime to the sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden by Tara Reade, dedicating a full minute of silence to her. Viewers who tuned in would see Anderson Cooper sitting there quietly, staring and saying nothing to the camera for sixty seconds straight.

      “There’s nothing more respectful than a minute of silence,” said Bob CNN, CNN’s CEO and founder. “I can’t think of a better way to handle such a serious allegation, and I think nothing more can be said — beyond the nothing already said.”
      Soon after the segment, Brian Stelter responded on Twitter to people charging CNN with bias for avoiding the Tara Reade allegations by saying, “We covered it in prime time,” and linking to the minute of blank audio.
      Some viewers were confused by the minute of silence, as there was no intro explaining what it was for. It was immediately followed by part five of an in-depth look into the implications of the latest Trump tweet.

  15. Good News for Mathius 😀 It has come to my attention that a Liberal policy has finally worked as intended. Common Core education has met the standards of success that Liberals have wanted. Congrats Mathius, you get a real win here!

  16. As usual, most states have it correct. They know better than the Federal gov……they are opening up.

    • We’ll find out if they’re right or not in about 2 weeks.

      THAT SAID, you and I are from big states, so we tend to have monolithic views of what it means to be in a given state. Where I grew up, I would have had to drive for 8 hours to get to another state. Where you live, you have to dive for 8 hours to get out your own driveway.

      So, with that in mind, as someone who commutes (commuted) to another state for work every day in under 20 minutes, we have to keep in mind that changes made by one state do, in fact, affect other states.

      If NJ were to open up, we would have to assume that NY’ers would travel there, get infected, and bring it back to NY, defeating or at least weakening the lockdown. As such, either the states need to work in concert, at least regionally, or there has to be a bigger authority in control (for them! and at the borders). New York, which is hardest hit, CAN’T have effective restrictions in place if its close neighbors don’t play along.


        Very bad advice from the leaders of NYC. It may take awhile for this to be over in your area.

      • You are correct, of course. Neighboring states where you are, do have to cooperate. But, New York/New Jersey are not and should not be the litmus test for the rest of the country. It is different all over the country….it is still a state issue……and it will take cooperation and great resilience.

        • Honestly, it’s not even a “state” issue, per say.

          There is an enormous difference between Austin and Laguna Madre and [random tiny Texas town populated almost entirely by tumbleweeds].

          What is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander, and one size – assuredly – does not fit all.

          New York is getting it worst (probably) because (A) it got it first because it’s a travel destination and (B) it’s so dense. That isn’t a problem in Laguna Madre. So maybe draconian measures are necessary in NYC, but not there. And that’s FINE.

          But, if you open your beaches, maybe tourists come in from Louisiana. If Oklahoma (AKA Texas’s hat) opens up its baseball stadiums, maybe Texans go for a game, and bring the disease back en masse along the Texan (northern) border, which then percolates back into the rest of the state.

          So the need for coordination may need to come from someone with a macro view. Because what you do CAN affect others beyond your borders. So the consideration has to be not “what is right for MY jurisdiction,” but “what is right for my jurisdiction AND those I impact.”

  17. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I still think it too early to make any judgements on the virus and our response. Early results seem to indicate that while highly transmittable, the effects are certainly not the same across the board. Compromised and elderly are obviously most vulnerable.

    Now, as far as I can, I am following the USS Theodore Roosevelt. With a 5,000 member crew in close quarters and an average age of 25 or so, only 800 diagnosed cases from which only one sailor a 41 year old CPO died, tells us a lot.

    Funny, when I brought this up two weeks ago on FB I was attacked as a heartless murderer merely for suggesting the ship was an ideal lab experiment.

    Heard A good one yesterday from a conservative commentator, “Yes I believe in SCIENCE, rigorous SCIENCE but what I don’t believe in is science fiction”.

    • Heard A good one yesterday from a conservative commentator, “Yes I believe in SCIENCE, rigorous SCIENCE but what I don’t believe in is science fiction”.

      This is good.

      Just as long as this isn’t interpreted as: “I require 100% settled science before I accept the consensus / preliminary findings as ‘the most likely correct answer’ and act accordingly.”

      • I believe in science except when it goes against my philosophy. Life begins outside the body and not at conception. Global warming will devastate the planet although it has never done so in the past. We are safer confined in air tight buildings rather than in the open air and sunshine. Models “trump” real data.

        • Life begins outside the body and not at conception.


          Who is saying it “begins outside the body”? What does that even mean?

          Those who don’t believe life begins at conception believe it is an emergent property.. something that happens along the way from conception to birth.

          Me, personally, and, again, as far as I know, I’m the only person on the planet who thinks this, I believe that life does – absolutely – begin at conception, but that that life is not “human” in any meaningful sense and, consequently, has no “human rights.” Without a brain, it is nothing more than a cluster of human genetic material, no different than a tumor, and may be freely and a-morally disposed of. But that the clump of cells becomes meaningfully human as it develops.

          As I have argued here (not that anyone has been willing to “play along”), if there is a fire in a fertility clinic and you have time to rescue (A) a trapped five-year-old child or (B) a rack of a hundred fertilized embryos awaiting implantation, which do you save? I mean, if the fertilized embryos are living humans of equivalent worth, then it’s a simple question: save one or save a hundred. So which do you save? Do you let the child burn to death to save the rack of embryos?

          Global warming will devastate the planet although it has never done so in the past.

          Humans were never around in the past. Using the past to preclude the idea from being right now is nonsensical.

          There are plenty of reasons to disbelieve Global Warming.. but what does the fact that it hasn’t happened BEFORE humans really got involved have to do with now that we ARE involved?

          That’s like saying “I’ve never died before, so eating poison now can’t kill me.” Well, if poison wasn’t in my past, then the past is not necessarily predictive, now is it?

          We are safer confined in air tight buildings rather than in the open air and sunshine.

          A bit of a straw man here.. it’s not about being in “air tight buildings” but rather “being far away from each other.”

          You can be in the sunshine all you want. My kids spend half the day in the yard. I go for long walks with the dog. Sunshine is great, and good for you. And fresh air is good for the spirit, too.

          I don’t think anyone is saying you should be in “air tight building” except insofar as “that’s the only way you, personally, can keep a safe ‘social distance’ from others.”

          • Humans were definitely around for the Medieval and Roman warm periods and actually thrived.

            If outside is OK, then why are parks and beaches closed? Why wear masks outdoors? Why can you run in a park but not sit a picnic table or on a towel? Why are protesters in cars not allowed?

            • Humans were definitely around for the Medieval and Roman warm periods and actually thrived.

              “Humans” were.. but nothing like modern human industry.

              outside is OK, then why are parks and beaches closed?

              Because they don’t want people congregating.

              Why wear masks outdoors?

              Beause other people are outside, too. Whereas they aren’t inside your house.

              Why can you run in a park but not sit a picnic table or on a towel?

              You just said the parks are closed…?

              Actually, running in the park seems to spread it much more.. you’re breathing harder and covering more ground… so more spread.. so I’d argue the sitting at a picnic table is much better.

              I think – if people were all civic-minded and cautious, and conscientious, there wouldn’t be a need for 90% of this.. I think the problem are things like this.

              I think the problem is that 10% of the population ruins things for the rest of us.

              Why are protesters in cars not allowed?

              They are. Are they not where you are?

  18. 44 cases in my county now, no deaths out of a population of 192K. .That is a 0.02% infection rate.

    • 7 cases, no deaths, pop just under 7300. .0009 infection rate.

    • Have you been tested?

      How many people do you know who have been tested?

      Here in NY, I know only a handful of people who have been tested. And that’s in NY. And that includes my cousin who was hospitalized, but not my other cousin who almost certainly had it, nor my brother in law who probably had it.

      It’s hard to say a given number is the infection rate when people aren’t being tested.

      More to the point, if the infection rate is higher (and it definitely is) than is known, then the fatality rate must be lower than observed.

      But without significant increases in testing, there’s really no way to be sure of much.

      • Political pollsters seem to get a sense of the public with only 1000 samples. I would think that if we could randomly select 100 people randomly in all US counties (3143) that we would have a good sense of the spread of the disease. You could increase the sample by adding another 100 in each of the 25 largest cites. The selection of candidates would have to be carefully chosen to be truly random to make the resulting statistics an accurate representation of the nation. We do not have to test everyone as sampling theory should apply.

        • Political pollsters seem to get a sense of the public with only 1000 samples.


          By very carefully ensuring enough randomness in the selection process, pollsters can statistically represent a population within a margin of error.

          I would think that if we could randomly select 100 people randomly in all US counties (3143) that we would have a good sense of the spread of the disease.

          And you’d be right (ish). Maybe 1,000 would be better, but sure.

          When they’ve done this in NY, the infection rate seemed to be around 20%.

          I haven’t seen this in other states / areas. I would be surprised if they haven’t done this, however.

          We do not have to test everyone as sampling theory should apply.

          You don’t, necessarily, have to sample everyone to get a sense of the spread and scope and death rate, maybe, I guess.

          I know enough about statistics and baysian statistics to know that this is still hugely complex and open to interpretation and sampling error and and and and and and..

          But, even if they can get a good sense of the scope and spread and death rate from this, it wouldn’t help with things like contract tracing, and identifying hot-spots, etc. It doesn’t help people know if they’re asymptomatically contagious and should stay home, etc.

          • Testing for antibodies may be good for future knowledge of immunity. Testing for active Covid is only good for historical reasons. You can test positive today and be infected tomorrow.

            As I have said many times, w/o a vaccine, this virus will run its course no matter what we do. Simultaneously destroying the economy hence the wealth we need to fight it, is not the answer.

            • As I have said many times, w/o a vaccine, this virus will run its course no matter what we do.

              Here’s the crux of the problem.

              YOU don’t know that.

              YOU are not an epidemiologist.

              Neither am I.

              The people – the really smart people with a ton of education and experience – the ones who have spent decades studying this kind of thing – they say otherwise.

              If Fauci, for example, thought that it’s futile and pointless to try to mitigate this disease until a vaccine was ready, then he wouldn’t have done all this. Do you think he’s destroying the economy for fun? Do you think Trump is letting him destroy the economy over a futile gesture?

              So, obviously, there’s a fundamental disagreement between YOU and HIM.. and YOU and the MEDICAL COMMUNITY CONSENSUS OPINION. And, between the two of you, one is vastly more knowledgable.

              Obviously, HE thinks that social distancing and the lockdown are not only effective, but necessary. That doesn’t make him right – he’s not a god. He’s not omniscient. But I think it’s hubris for you to sit there and assert the polar opposite of what he says as though you were somehow not just qualified, which you’re not, but more qualified and more informed than him and the people he has working for him and the CDC and the WHO and the medical directorates of so many separate countries and and and.

              What qualifies YOU to assert that YOU know better?

              I don’t mean to belittle you, or devalue your opinion. You’re absolutely more knowledgable and smarter than the average bear. But you and I just aren’t playing in this league. We aren’t trained enough, we aren’t educated enough, we don’t have all the information, we don’t have the staff and support, we don’t have the briefings, et cetera. We’re armchair quarterbacks. The only difference seems to be that I realize my limitations and you don’t seem to.

              • All that is to say this:

                I am amongst the best in the world at Microsoft Excel. I am, seriously, so fucking good it’s insane. It’s not just that I’m “better” than other Excel users – I am so much better that it’s been a decade since I’ve seen anyone even remotely in my league. And that includes the forums and help boards where the real pros are.

                There are better people out there – hardcore programmers and the people at Microsoft who actually wrote the program – but I’ve never met them. Given how many people there are, there are probably a thousand people at least as good as me. Maybe even ten thousand.

                But as a percentile, I’m in the top 0.001%, at least.

                So if you have an Excel question and I give you an answer you think is wrong… who knows.. maybe I’m wrong – I’m not a god – I’m not omniscient.. but you should really take a moment to stop and consider our respective levels of competence. We are NOT peers. I am a world-class expert and you are, maybe, “a talented amateur.”

                If I say A and you say B, maybe it is B. Maybe I am wrong. But, all things being equal, you should assume that I’m probably right and you’re probably wrong.

                And if I plant my flag and swear to you that I’m right and you just don’t understand what you’re talking about… well… generally speaking, the odds are on my side.

              • So now it is argumentum ad verecundiam.

                You have not refuted my logic. How will this contagion be stopped.

                1. Develop a vaccine in 6 -18 months. Until then we keep people locked in their homes. Thus we get a combination of natural and artificial herd immunity but a destroyed economy.
                2. We let the pandemic run through the population using methods to slow the spread so we do not overwhelm the medical industry thus achieving herd immunity.
                3. We keep everyone locked up indefinitely in a virtual bubble and let the government support them and bankrupt itself.

                Please, advise, is there another solution? Where does this logic require a epidemiologist?

                I am retired so this is not impacting me financially other than my investments. You work in an industry that is based on computers thus can work effectively from home. However, there are many in this country who must work outside the home and are not in “essential” services or industries. These people are hurting and need to get back to work as quickly as possible.

                I take it you have never worked at a job where death or serious injury is a real and present danger. I have worked construction, in refineries, in labs around high voltages, high powered laser, and toxic chemicals. There is a risk to life. Let the people make their own decisions on what risks are tolerable. Who are you decide for them?

              • One other thing to add…

                The experts are playing the odds.

                They do not KNOW what will happen or how it will happen or when it will happen. All they can do is synthesize the data, filter it through their education and experience, and come out with probabilistic outcomes.

                But imagine that I tell you that a roll of a fair six-sided-die will probably be between 1 and 5. You roll the die and it comes out 6.

                Does that mean I was wrong?

                No, of course not. All I was able to tell you is that rolling the die would, probably, result in a 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.

                But “probably” does not preclude “possibly.”

                Likewise, Fauci et all, are only able to look at the data and say “doing A, B, C, and D, is probably necessary and will probably blunt the worst of the disease.

                The possibility remains that they are wrong on any or all of it. The disease could mutate to be worse, there could be a secondary stage with a year-long incubation period, or maybe, if they’d done nothing, the disease would have disappeared “as if by magic” when the weather turns nice.

                All those things – and more – COULD be right. But they looked at it and said “this is the probable best path.”

                Just as “no plan survives contact with the enemy,” the fact that the plan is not perfect, that it evolves, or changes, or that things break the wrong way, doesn’t mean the plan was bad at the time – it could have been the best plan given what was known at the time. And just because someone else’s stupid uninformed irrational plan might have worked out better doesn’t mean that it was a better plan. It’s just how the cookie crumbles.

                If a general laid out a plan and then adamantly refused to change anything, to update it with evolving information, you’d call him a moron. Do you expect him to know how the battle will play out with perfect clarity ahead of time? To know every move the enemy will make? To know what will work and what won’t? Or do you expect him to take the best information he has at the time, filter it through years of expert training and professional experience and come up with the most promising path?

                So for the government to make frequent adjustments seems completely reasonable by the same token. It strikes me as completely unreasonable to suppose that anyone should have all the answers upfront, have the perfect plan in place, and make no changes whatsoever.

              • Just A Citizen says:


                “The people – the really smart people with a ton of education and experience – the ones who have spent decades studying this kind of thing – they say otherwise.”


                Name ONE, just ONE of these experts who disagrees with the fact this thing is going to run its course no matter what we do?

                NOT ONE of them has ever claimed this shut down was about stopping or destroying this virus.

            • Careful or you will break your arm.

            • T-Ray,

              As I have said many times, w/o a vaccine, this virus will run its course no matter what we do.

              That’s what you said. It’ll “run its course no matter what we do.”

              I am saying that we can alter its course.

              Not stop it, but slow it, contain it, bog it down until the vaccine is ready.

              I’m not advocating anything, really, just saying that we CAN.

              You have not refuted my logic. How will this contagion be stopped.

              We can’t “stop” it.. not without going to some ludacris extremes.

              But we sure as hell can make an impact – change its course.

              Please, advise, is there another solution? Where does this logic require a epidemiologist?

              I have no idea.

              I know enough to know how little I actually know.

              I can see how deep this rabbit hole goes, and I can see that my level of education on the topic is sooooooooo shallow that my opinion isn’t worth a hill of beans.

              Please, advise, is there another solution? Where does this logic require a epidemiologist?

              But, since you ask..

              There are tools that are deployed and tools which are not deployed.

              We can do contact tracing which, frankly, sets my teeth on edge because I know that the idea of the government tracking every citizen “for their own good” leads to bad things.

              There are stricter quarantines. The government could provide appropriate PPE and mandate its usage in public under penalty of arrest.

              We could go the North Korea route and just shoot everyone with a fever.

              We could ramp up testing dramatically and establish the necessary efficiency on the back end that people can know from day to day if they’re infected so they can self-quarantine.

              I take it you have never worked at a job where death or serious injury is a real and present danger.

              I take it you’ve never met a portfolio manager. I’m in constant fear for my life…

              Let the people make their own decisions on what risks are tolerable.

              Jesus Christ, man, you cannot be this obtuse.

              I don’t give a shit what risks YOU take.

              Want to juggle flaming chain saws over an alligator pit while high on a cocktail of random drugs you found on the floor in a 7-11 bathroom in 1997? Go for it. Send me the video.

              I don’t care.

              It’s your own damned life, so make your own damned choices.

              And if you win a Darwin Award, well, that’s fine, too.

              And if your family is sad about your death, well, that’s sad for them. But it’s none of my business. At all.

              Go for it.

              I cannot be clearer about this. I don’t understand how many times I’m going to have to say this exact same thing. I DO NOT CARE WHAT RISKS YOU TAKE WITH YOUR LIFE.

              It is YOUR life, so YOU get to decide YOUR risk tolerance.

              Where I care is where you start impacting other non-participatory 3rd parties.

              If you want to juggle chain saws and risk your life, that’s on you. If you want to juggle hand grenades in front of a live audience, that’s on them to take that risk. If you want to drive drunk on your own property, have at it. If you want to drive drunk where you might hit a random pedestrian, THEN we have a problem.

              Get it?

              It’s not hard.

              If YOU want to take a risk that YOU get sick and YOU die, that’s fine. I don’t care. It’s up to you.

              But if YOU want to take a risk that YOU get sick and THEN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE, then the government has a right to step in.

              Why? Because you’re NOT just taking risks for yourself – which, again, is totally fine – but rather with OTHER PEOPLE’S lives. And it’s not up to YOU to decide what risks you can take with OTHER people’s lives.

              Got it?

              Who are you decide for them?

              I am nobody
              Who are you?

              • Mathius, it is not my job to protect you from the dangers of life. That is your job. It would be wrong for someone to knowingly infect others. But you have not right to deny people a livelihood to protect you. Yes take all necessary precautions that are reasonable to slow the spread. But I see you agree we cannot stop it. It is inevitable that it will infect the entire population w/o a vaccine which may never come. How many bankrupt businesses, lost homes, starving kids, state bankruptcies are you will to allow to make yourself safe? What happens the markets when a couple of airlines, hotel chains, and a bunch of hospitals declare bankruptcy? Will this lead to a avalanche of other bankruptcies? This problem is not a univariant problem in just minimize the deaths due to Covid. It is a mutivariant problem. Playing it safe and bankrupting the country is not a viable solution.

              • Yes I read about portfolio managers going postal everyday. Serious odds of that happening.

                At the age of 15, I walked into a cattle shed. In the center of the shed was a tractor with an 8″ x 8″ beam across the steering wheel. The farmer was in the house recovering from a broken neck. Our job, (my Dad, brother, and I) was to push the beam back into place and save the building. There was 3 ft of BS in the shed and 12T of straw in the loft. One mistake could bring it all down on top of us.

                Two years later Dad and I returned to the same farm this time to work on the turn of the century post and beam barn. The 8″ x 8″ posts supporting the loft were being punched through the cement floor. These barns were built for loose hay but modern bailed hay was stored in them often and in this case to the very peak of the roof. There was about 25T of hay over each post. The two of use jacked those posts up, dug our the cement floor and poured new footers for the posts. Again, one mistake could have brought the entire loft down on our heads. In both cases, no heavy equipment or even hydraulic jacks were used. Ingenuity and brute force was.

                You live a life of privilege and have no idea what dangers working people face each day. And yet you demand they obey your rules.

  19. Just an observation:

    The 2018-2019 flu season resulted in ~34,200 deaths in the US according to the CDC.

    The current pandemic has resulted in ~59,000 deaths – so far – in about two months – while the country was basically in lock-down.

    Flu, with no meaningful efforts at prevention / containment / social distancing / contract tracing, or anything else, killed about half of what the coronavirus has.. in a fraction of the time.. and despite enormous, draconian efforts at containment.

    The only thing the flu had going for it that the novel coronavirus doesn’t is a vaccine, but that vaccine, which (A) was only taken by about 1/3 of the population and (B) had an effectiveness of 45%. Putting that together, and over-simplifying, the vaccine reduced the outbreak by ~15%. So it’s still massively less than the current outbreak.

    Just a thought and some numbers..

    • That’s weird… I see Trump asking a profoundly ignorant and stupid question in an inappropriate forum and asking a doctor to look into it and then, after being called out for being a moron and ridiculed, having a hissy fit and saying he won’t hold any more press conferences and then lying and saying his question was sarcastic when it absolutely wasn’t and then his supporters linking arms in lock-step to insist that, yes, despite it being unlike anything even remotely resembling sarcastic speech in the history of the human race, his comment was, in fact, actually a “Perfect” sarcastic comment.

  20. WASHINGTON, D.C.—Presidential candidate Joe Biden finally addressed sexual assault allegations against him, telling the press he had no recollection of any Tara Reade. Furthermore, he said he also could not recall where he was and had no idea why a bunch of people were in front of him asking questions.

    “I don’t know of any Tara Reade,” Biden told the reporters at the press conference his staff had scheduled. “And where am I? Who are you people? What’s going on? All of you: Off my lawn! Is this my lawn? And why are you wearing masks?”
    Biden did not take any follow-up questions and seemed rather irate, going on a rant about how “whippersnappers” were always “walking on his lawn” and “asking to be his running mate.”
    The press conference ended with Biden spotting a monitor displaying a President Trump press conference that was going on at the same time. “You all have to leave now,” Biden told the reporters. “The Apprentice is on. I love that show!”

  21. “There are big differences between Democrats and Republicans and this is just one of them. Instead of standing up for women and confronting the problems of misconduct within their own ranks, the Republican Party has chosen to pursue power and push their radical far-right agenda at any cost,” Perez stated. “And they’ve continued to champion a president who has a long and disturbing history of misconduct with women.”
    The Democrat concluded from his far-left ivory tower that his party would demand any elected or public official behaving inappropriately would be essentially ousted.
    “The Democratic Party will stand up for women and for what is right. Public service is a public trust. If you are a candidate for office or an elected official who has engaged in sexual misconduct, you should step aside – whether you sit in the U.S. House of Representatives, the U.S. Senate, or the Oval Office,” Perez concluded.

    • Sounds good to me.

      We’ll elect Biden, then oust him, and whoever his VP is can be President.

      I don’t much care who that is.. just so long as it’s not Trump. Honestly, at this point, I’d be willing to take President Pelosi.

      How’s THAT for desperation?

  22. Checking in by phone just for MATHIUS,
    Just opened my stimulus check. Trump DID NOT sign the check! His name isconveniently located in the lower left corner. So can we get an apology for your earlier snark about who signed it? 😆

  23. I’ll just leave this here to remind everyone what is really going on. The democrats and the anti-Trump crowd do not care if millions of Americans lose their jobs, their homes, their families…their lives. It’s all about getting rid of the bad orange man.

  24. RIP Fred Singer

  25. Roger Stone is supposed to go to jail today. I’m gonna be really, really angry, if Trump doesn’t pardon him immediately.

    • Flynn needs to cleared an pardoned too. Then several people need to prosecuted. Flynn needs to sue as well. This is absolutely disgusting.

      • Flynn needs to cleared an pardoned too. Then several people need to prosecuted. Flynn needs to sue as well. This is absolutely disgusting. Remember all the cries about look Trump must be guilty because they have prosecuted all these people around him? The word was not prosecuted but persecuted.

      • Remember all the cries that Trump must be guilty because of all these prosecutions? In fact it was not prosecutions but persecutions.

  26. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I wonder if people like Mathius ever heard of an “inhaler”. Despite some nasty allergies, I’ve never needed one but I have a wife and son who use them on a fairly regular basis.

    Unless I miss my guess, the inhaler is used to deliver an aerosolized vapor into the lungs. There are other such devices used to help asthmatics breathe. We also own a nebulizer for when things really used to go to hell.

    Now, not for nothing, but seriously now, how far a reach is it to wonder if a bronchial dialator can be used to deliver some type of virus killing medication directly into the lungs. Actually heard a scientist asked the other day if a UV light hooked into a dialysis machine could kill the virus in the blood. His answer was a surprising YES though he said it still would not solve the problem of the lung infections.

    Mathius, like Dr. Fauci is so blinded by (hate? / dislike?) that he will not allow himself to think straight.

    • My Pops used inhalers, nebulizers and such for years. If there was something that could kill a virus in the lungs, without any negative effects, then it could work quite well. Of course, people who deal with folks with lung issues know this, and those who don’t remind us that they aren’t as smart as they think 😛

      • You can also deliver light including UV inside the body via fiber optics.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          They bounced that around the other day. Some radio host blindsided a doc when he suggested that if they had these mini cameras that could travel down veins, they could probably use something like that with UV on it. Doc caught totally unprepared then said welllll…….maybe!

          Like I said, Trump says what he is thinking. I used to do that with my weekly staff meetings at work where by throwing out something off the wall, it would come back to you modified and possibly workable but to people like our Mathius, his ingrained dislike of the Prez just takes over.

          • They use a laser and fiber optics to bust up kidney stones. They do surgery using fiber optics. This has been known for years.

          • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

            ike I said, Trump says what he is thinking. I used to do that with my weekly staff meetings at work where by throwing out something off the wall, it would come back to you modified and possibly workable but to people like our Mathius, his ingrained dislike of the Prez just takes over.

            To be fair to Mathius.. and I do hate to be fair to Mathius.. your president is a blithering idiot. He makes mouth noises that pass for human speech and, no matter how ignorant, wrong, or just plain asinine, his cult-like adherents will find a way to twist and contort themselves into believing that he speaks the actual truth as if from God on high.

            What’s more telling is that, while Mathius – again, I hate to defend him – attempts to convey your president’s own words in the plain English in which they are nominally spoken, you insist that it is he who is misrepresenting the wordlike sounds because he refuses to apply YOUR absurd filter.

            Language is not “communication” if it must be passed through so many layers of bias and interpretation filters that it no longer constitutes the same sense of the original words. At best, this is “speaking a different language” or, perhaps, “speaking in code.” At worst, he merely presents a Rorschach test, offering up bland nonsensical patters on syllables onto which you may project your own desired statements.

            For Mathius to look at such nonsense and call it nonsense is only reasonable.

            But for you to demand he apply YOUR worldviews and highly motivated reasoning and bias filters onto the “language” of another so as to arrive at the conclusions you deem correct…? Well, that seems to this old pirate, nonsense.

            Mathius is decrying that your emperor wears no clothes, and you claim HIM to be the fool.

            • Wearing masks in public came right on time, TDS is now contagious.

              • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

                Wearing masks in public is a good thing.

                Not only does it help prevent you from spreading your infectious germs willy nilly, but it also makes it far harder for the government facial recognition systems to track your movement or identify you when you surreptitiously leave a guillotine on the steps of the National Mall…

                Of course, my flowing beard, peg leg, pirate hat, and the liberated chicken on my shoulder do somewhat lessen the utility of such a tactic…

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    There is some good truth included in Amash’s comments about what happened. Things that most of the media has never really covered. Instead just parroting the Dem. claim that the Tea Party was “astroturf”.

  28. Just A Citizen says:

    Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick, the clock is winding down. The Bomb is about to explode……….from RedState.

    “McCarthy explained how a lot of people had thought this might have been a perjury trap and now come the documents to lay it all out there.

    “They did not have a legitimate investigative reason for doing this and there was no criminal predicate or reason to treat him [Flynn] like a criminal suspect,” McCarthy explained.

    “They did the interview outside of the established protocols of how the FBI is supposed to interview someone on the White House staff. They are supposed to go through the Justice Department and the White House counsel’s office. They obviously purposely did not do that and they were clearly trying to make a case on this.”

    “For years, a number of us have been arguing that this looked like a perjury trap,” McCarthy said.”

    • Mathius says:

      “For years, a number of us have been arguing that this looked like a perjury trap,” McCarthy said.”

      Well, this one’s easy…


  29. Just A Citizen says:

    The left eating their own. The Message: Do NOT ever, ever, ever, try to leave the Reservation. Not even for a single moment.

  30. I’ve been watching the past remarks of many Crats on the Kavanaugh accusations versus the current comments on the Biden accusations. The difference is disgusting. Feminism is nothing but a Left Wing fraud. A large sign down the road from me on Rt 36 says “Democrats are Morally Bankrupt” fits perfectly.

    I wonder how many Crat Governors will slow walk the reopening of their State? It would be refreshing if it doesn’t happen, but I’d bet they have their marching orders. Time will tell.

    My Mom calls Pelosi a “C^%t” , sometimes she even adds the F-word at the beginning. But, the best one was when she wondered how she could have been so stupid to be a Democrat for years and years. She has seen the errs of her ways.

  31. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Regarding our virus and alternative methods of treatment oir protocol, I find it hilarious that the very same people I knew in the 1960’s who RAGED against something called ‘conformity’ are now the most sincere advocates of it.

  32. Interesting rant on the news today……Doctors all across the country are being interviewed…..all are saying that there is tremendous pressure to classify all respiratory illness and deaths as Covid 19….even if there are no tests to back it up. The pressure is coming from the CDC….now……I wonder why. Two of the doctors interviewed have said their license has been threatened if they do not follow this guideline.

  33. JAC……It appears that they are going to extend the National Bowling Tournament into September. If that is the case, the SUL and I are planning a ROAD trip into the area with a stop in Reno to bowl. As soon as I get the dates….will give ya a holler! She has never seen that part of the country. I told her I would run her up there before the transplant Californians ruin your area.

    • We have chosen a road trip…I doubt you will get us on a plane this next year at all…..even isolated in first class.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      The only hard calendar dates I have at this point is second week of June, fishing around here with friends and first week of October, a wedding in Reno.

      Calendar and bunks are open, grill has been fired up several times already and the welcome mat is out. Get here as soon as you can and stay as long as you want.

  34. This was inevitable. Governor Half Whitmer went way too far with her shutdown in Michigan. This is what happens when Liberals play God.

  35. SACRAMENTO, CA—Governor Gavin Newsom has instructed detention facilities across California to begin releasing violent felons to make room for skateboarders, surfers, and other people who have committed the heinous crime of going outside.

    Thousands of cells have now been freed up for “the dregs of society,” as Newsom referred to people who go to the beach or skate at a skate park. As the felons left the prisons, they laughed at the skaters and surfers entering their previous cells. The skater bros just said, “Dude, not cool” and the surfers said, “Totes not stoked bra, major kook move dude.”
    “We need to free up those prison cells for the really dangerous people, like beachgoers,” said Governor Gavin Newsom at a press conference. “We can’t have those dangerous people who sit on the beach for a few hours or do doozy flipkicks and 630 spinaroos out on our streets.”
    The felons went out and immediately committed crimes, but many were undocumented immigrants and so were given a stimulus check instead of getting arrested.

    • Yeah….it is but what is more stupid, no, downright immoral, is to take Covid 19 bailouts and apply them to pension plans instead of Covid issues. This is what some cities and states have done. Illinois being the first……

      • We also have people saying , no demanding that they use relief money to fight climate change. Damned if I didn’t think government money was supposed to be used for the purpose they stated in the bill they passed to get the money.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    This author proves my warning that one should pick their principles, and their values, carefully.

    “The pandemic highlights a different way of understanding relativism. It is not that values are no more than a matter of taste, in the way that you like pistachio but I like vanilla. It is to acknowledge—in a way our politics usually does not—that any important value is inevitably, at key moments, in competition with other important values. Individual liberties are in tension with public order.”

    Core principles and values CAN NOT BE IN COMPETITION with each other. If properly identified they should be consistent if not complimentary.

    Here is the full article. See if you can identify the weakness of the argument.

    • I always enjoyed these conversations but this one always left me with a headache. 😀

  37. Texas parks, malls, and restaurants are open today….all golf courses and tennis courts are open……..with certain limitations.

  38. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Go ahead, open it, I dare you!

    • NEW YORK, NY—Having let his facial hair grow freely for several weeks, New York Mayor Bill De Blasio held a press conference this morning where he unveiled special red armbands for police enforcing the city’s quarantine on the Jewish community.

      “The red armband represents our commitment to public health,” he said. “City workers and police who want to show their loyalty to making sure undesirable groups are not breaking quarantine will be asked to wear the bands for easy identification.”
      “The third glorious era of New York will reign triumphant!” he cried, banging on his lectern. “Together we can reclaim the glories of our once-great kingdom!”
      The mayor also suggesting some kind of camp that could concentrate on the Jews, as well as maybe some way to identify them in public so people could keep away from “undesirable” contact with them. “We could take them to the camp on the subway trains.”
      Some are saying the move represents bad optics for the city’s mayor. But he didn’t seem to see any issue with the bands, saying they simply helped identify the special squadrons of police that would focus on the Jewish community. “We’ll call them the S.S. for short,” he said.
      He also announced his plans to invade Poland.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    As to the argument that the flu deaths are for six months and Covid for three……… it is the RATE of death that is being compared. So when other new flu viruses arrived on our shores, for which we had no vaccine, did we shut down the country? NO!

    • Brings to mind the saying, “What can’t continue, won’t “. This can’t continue, soon they will stop advertising every death, and people will go on with living their lives, because they have too. Right, wrong, or in between, necessity will rule.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    So true………. from American Thinker.

    COVID-19 has revealed an abyss between friends and neighbors, right and left, freedom-lovers and authoritarians
    By Patricia McCarthy

    “People do not change, they are merely revealed.” —Anne Enright

    As these state lock downs are arbitrarily extended at the whims of certain Democrat governors, we are all discovering previously unknown personality traits of our friends, neighbors, and local politicians that we might never have learned of had it not been for this particular flu.

    Most cities these days have online neighborhood sites where people post relevant facts or questions close to home: coyote sightings, lost pets, furniture for sale, etc. But now? Whew! Things have changed. Now we are seeing something else: the stark reality of how our local friends and neighbors think and operate.

    Most of us don’t bother to wonder to which political party the people who walk by our homes, or whom we see in our markets, libraries, or schools, belong. But based on what’s seen in these neighborhood bulletin boards and discussion groups, many are revealing their inner police-state tendencies. Day after day, these neighborhood sites are chock-full of complaints about “people walking without masks” or exercising in a park too close to others. These online complainants rage against all the inconsiderate people who are not “following the rules.” They get responses like “Call the police.” One might think they were all brought up in Ceaușescu’s Romania, where even children were taught to report their own parents’ verbal deviations from the party line.

    New Jersey is using drones with loudspeakers to harass people deemed too close to one another from the air above them. As Dennis Prager wrote the other day, this is a dress rehearsal for a police state. And millions of Americans are taking it lying down!

    This is why seeing those SoCal beachgoers fighting Gov. Gavin Newsom’s orders to close the beaches is such a relief. All Americans need to remember how and why this country came into being. It was not to be treated like subjects of minor dictators. We should all remember that these governor-ordered rules do not, cannot have the force of law. It seems that too few Americans have a clue about the constitutional rights they have long taken for granted: speech, assembly, religion. Suddenly, they are giving them up without a fight.

    Probably in all states, we can see people alone in their cars wearing a mask! What are they thinking? That the virus can somehow breach their closed windows if they drive by an infected person? So cheers to all those Southern Californians who have ignored Newsom’s ridiculous politically motivated beach closures. If Newsom had being paying attention, he would know by now that being outdoors in the sunlight is the best disinfectant.

    President Trump is a genius for leaving these things to the governors. He clearly knew full well that the dumbest among them would overreach. Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan has become a national joke, but she is still doubling down. Her citizens can row in a canoe but not be in a motorboat! Other Democrat governors are imposing restrictions on their citizens’ essential freedoms that have no basis in the science they all claim to be using to validate these impediments on our daily lives. New York’s Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s handling of the outbreak there has been the worst by far. New York was tragically unprepared, and Cuomo’s every step to address the crisis was disastrous. New York City’s Mayor Bill de Blasio has been a disaster as well. Both of them were encouraging New Yorkers to “go about their lives” until late in February. Everything that went right in New York was thanks to President Trump. But they both began blaming Trump for their own failures. Cuomo is largely responsible for the huge numbers of deaths in the nursing homes; it was on his watch that the state ordered these homes for the vulnerable to accept COVID-19-positive patients. He also cut the subway runs in half, making them twice as crowded. His judgment has been so poor that he will never be a viable presidential candidate. Never.

    Heather Mac Donald wrote the must-read piece of the week, “The paranoid style in COVID-19 America,” in which she tells of early-morning cyclists and runners in New York’s Central Park who are whizzing by masked! How on Earth have so many freedom-loving Americans become so terrified of a politically charged virus that they are not even questioning the sudden repeal of their basic rights? Mac Donald references Japan, which did not shutter its economy but employed a guideline: avoid the three Cs — confined places, crowded places, and close contact. Japan, a nation of 126.5 million, with a very large proportion of elderly people, has had only 360 deaths.

    It should be clear to all Americans by now that this lockdown, perhaps initially understandable, given the outrageous numbers of the first models used by Drs. Anthony Fauci and Deborah Birx, has been a colossal mistake. Once it became clear that those models were fallacious, everyone should have relaxed. Our hospitals have not been overrun except briefly in NY and even there all the beds and ventilators Cuomo claimed he needed were not necessary. No one has died for lack of a ventilator. Hydroxychloroquine works and now it seems Remdesivir can do the same, speeding up recovery from the disease. There are numerous vaccine trials already underway. It is a bad flu, but all things considered, the worst is over. The deaths have significantly been among the elderly with one or more co-morbidities, which does not make them any less tragic, but we are all on borrowed time from the moment we are born, far more dangerous are the pandemics and epidemics which target the young and healthy as some do.

    From Heather Mac Donald’s article:

    “The average death rate from coronavirus in New York City is 128 per 100,000. In New York State, it is 71 per 100,000. To put those numbers in perspective, the national death rate for all causes was 723.6 per 100,000 in 2018; for heart disease it was 163.6 per 100,000. New York’s coronavirus death rates bear no resemblance to the country at large, despite New York governor Andrew Cuomo’s recent pronouncement that ‘an outbreak anywhere is an outbreak everywhere’. California’s coronavirus death rate is four deaths per 100,000; Pennsylvania’s, 13 deaths per 100,000; Utah’s, one death per 100,000; Washington State’s, nine deaths per 100,000; Wisconsin’s, four deaths per 100,000; Georgia’s, which we are supposed to believe is about to unleash a mortal plague upon the country, eight deaths per 100,000; Texas’s, two deaths per 100,000; and Florida’s, four deaths per 100,000, despite its elderly population. An MSNBC pundit gleefully predicted several weeks ago that Missouri would succumb because it had not halted its economy soon enough. Its virus death rate stands at four deaths per 100,000.”

    The impact of the virus varies vastly throughout the country which is why Trump wisely left ending the lockdown to the governors. For three and a half years the left has called Trump a Hitler, a Mussolini, a dictator and of course he is nothing of the kind. Now they are apoplectic that he has refused to dictate an extended national shutdown when it is clear that is not necessary. He is reminding people what federalism actually is and why it is an integral part of our Constitution. He is abiding by it to the eternal frustration of the totalitarian left that believes that if one person suffers, everyone must suffer.

    Our nation has been thoroughly enervated by this cult of “safetyism,” the silly notion that we can and should all be safe at all times, both physically and mentally. This is what our kids are being taught in universities. Our ancestors are spinning in their graves. All those angry snitches raging against every person not sufficiently cowed by this flu are rather pathetic. They self-righteously report their neighbors, want to see them punished while they are only punishing themselves and exposing themselves as the authoritarian scaredy-cats they are. It is probably safe to assume that most of these watchdog informants, these cowards and snitches, are Democrats and most of those showing up at SoCal beaches are Republicans. It is also likely that many of those locked-down Democrats in Michigan, New Jersey, Maine California and elsewhere will be Republicans by November. Even nominal Democrats don’t want to be under house arrest for any extended period of time for no reason.

    “The secret to happiness is freedom… And the secret to freedom is courage.” –Thucydides

    • “We should all remember that these governor-ordered rules do not, cannot have the force of law. ”

      I find at first blush, I disagree with this statement. But with some more thought, I realize I only agree up to a certain point. My own personal parameters of what I think is reasonable. THats a problem. So just where does that leave me?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        That leaves you available to post my bail while I stand in jail claiming the order is not the law.

        • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:


          Just know that, while I would never post your bail, I would always be happy to break you out of whatever backwater jail they have over there in “Idaho.” I’m sure Deputy Fife won’t put up too much trouble.

    • Happy to see they have decided to advise, not arrest and fine. There’s a woman, my sister-in- laws, mother in law, that’s a mouth full. She lives in her own apartment but with perks, like meals, activities, people to check on her health, etc. Most of these perks have stopped because of CDC rules during theoutbreak. Now, she’s in her 90’s and has been left alone in her apartment for weeks. No one can enter her apartment, period, no family member can visit, her meals are left outside her door. You can call her, that’s it. Which is hard because she has trouble hearing you. She always says she’s fine but unless you can see her to evaluate, no one really knows. She has said she’s fine before, when she absolutely wasn’t okay. They have tried to convince her to come stay with them but she says she isn’t strong enough for the trip. This type of thing can’t continue. I understand limiting visitors, maybe to one family member but just leaving really old peop!e isolated for months is cruel.

  41. I’m really, really tired of the phrase ” the new normal”. Emergency measures of social distancing- fine- permanently turning our society into non touching, separated robots is insane.

  42. Isn’t there some aspirin factory somewhere we can bomb?


    So the people who were actually investigating Flynn wanted to close the investigation. I think that’s a big deal, should help us distinguish between those who need to be prosecuted and those who where just following orders.

  44. U.S.—With many Americans eager to get back to work, state governors across the country are responding with their plans for giving everyone permission to be normal human beings again. One state Democrat governor is enjoying universal acclaim after unveiling his own innovative plan for getting his state reopened.

    The new plan is called ‘Our Vision for Health, Safety, Virtue, and Eternal Peace’ and is a 37-step, 10-year plan for slowly opening up sections of the state economy. It reads as follows:
    Form an exploratory committee to consult various experts on reopening things
    Set date to hear recommendations from the exploratory committee
    Create a panel of experts to explore the recommendations recommended by the exploratory committee
    Build a brand new website to post exploratory committee recommendations for public comment
    Discuss feedback from health experts over catered seafood lunch
    Wait 4 weeks to see if catered seafood lunch led to any additional COVID infections
    Hire commission to gauge the effectiveness of collaboration over catered seafood lunches
    Take away all the guns
    Announce a 12-phase reopening of the economy, starting with the businesses with the best lobbyists
    Begin Phase 1
    Form a new committee to review the effectiveness of Phase 1 before moving on to Phase 2
    Order more drones from China and post them in front of every hair salon
    Draft new legislation to allow voting by show of hands over Facebook live
    Announce reopening of all golf courses in close proximity to the statehouse
    Hold public hearings on the effectiveness of the implementation of Phase 1
    Repeat parts 1-15 until all 12 phases are completed
    Form an exploratory committee to research alternate food sources now that catered seafood no longer available
    Draft legislation allowing people to eat squirrels and possums
    Overturn squirrels and possums legislation after animal rights groups protest
    Hire animal rights groups to enforce the overturning of the legislation in order to protect squirrels and possums
    Introduce tax bill to fund arming all police officers with harpoon guns and spears
    Strengthen the security of governors mansion with sniper towers and tiger pits
    …Maybe also a moat around the governor’s mansion
    More drones from China, maybe bigger ones
    Pass new legislation to fund hiring more enforcers to enforce things
    Build checkpoints across the state to distribute milk and guzzoline
    Create jobs by hiring welders to install armor plating on police cars
    (Super-secret surprise to be determined later)
    Open the rest of the economy
    Gladiator games anyone?
    Other states have announced they will wait 10-15 years to judge the effectiveness of this 37 part plan before releasing their own plans. The only exception is Texas, whose governor simply said, “We’re open, y’all!”

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      Your choice of leader is between two old men who are credibly accused of sexual assault.

      What a lovely time to be an American.

      Of course, you harp endlessly about the accusations against the Other Team’s candidate while turning a blind eye to those against your own. Hypocrisy at its finest.

      Do they do it, too? You betcha! You are, of course, quite right to ridicule the Other Team’s hypocrisy, but you stand accused of the exact same (albeit inversed) hypocrisy – that of denying accusations against your own Dear Leader while gleefully attacking Other Team’s candidate.

      Yes, they are hypocrites. Does that make it ok for you to do it? Nope.

      • When did I say I believed Tara Reid’s accusations? OH….NEVER! So no, I can’t be labelled a hypocrite. Get yer facts straight Pirate!

    • “Rationalization is a process of not perceiving reality, but of attempting to make reality fit one’s emotions.” ― Ayn Rand. 😁

      • Hahaha. I believe that went right over his head V!.

        Still struggling with computer issues. Finally got my new cord, only to find out I dont have a cord problem, I have a computer problem. Im doomed until stores get restocked.

        • Have you looked at ordering a small tablet, like a fire or some other brand, I love mine. It’s cheap and easy to carry, compared to large computers. First one I bought was $50. Decided it was to small, so I got one for $80.

          • I might resort to that if this keeps up too much longer. I actually bought one last week, only one they had, very cheap, so cheap that it froze up after an hour, then again a couple hours later, then the next day it wouldnt even turn on. So back it went. It was one of those 2 in 1 units thats a tablet/laptop. I was hating real bad 😀, but it was also a windows system. We just didnt get along. I might still get one that operates with chrome just for a backup. I sure did like my Hisense Chromebook, though. $120 and it lasted over 4 years! My kinda deal 😂 Nice thing about the phone, though, is I just click on my name and email address to post a comment…dont have to fill it in every time.

            • I would really like to know, WHY, all of the sudden we had to start re – entering our information . It’s really irritating.

              • I agree. Wonder if its just an upgrade issue with wordpress that we’re not hip to.

              • I am not having any such issues. If you are wiping your cookies and history when you shut down, it would cause that.

  45. Leftist change #Believe women to # Believe Creepy Old Men With Dementia

    Guess who wants to be Biden’s running mate? Everyone who dreams of actually being President.

    The Dread Pirate needs a lobotomy.

    Yesterday, 75 and sunny. Today, cloudy and 48. WTF! Saturday, snow showers

  46. RIP Don Shula. One of the greatest NFL coaches ever.

  47. The Associated Press has obtained a US Department of Homeland Security intelligence report that concludes China covered up the extent of the coronavirus outbreak, including the fact that it was contagious in humans, in order to stock up on medical supplies and protection equipment before the rest of the world knew.
    The four page report dated May 1, outlines how US officials believe China “intentionally concealed the severity” of the outbreak in January.
    The report details how China downplayed the spread of the virus while increasing imports and decreasing exports of medical supplies.
    China simultaneously denied that “there were export restrictions and obfuscating and delaying provision of its trade data,” the report states.
    The document also contends that China intentionally delayed informing the World Health Organization that the coronavirus “was a contagion” for almost a month.

    Did the Communist Party commit mass murder?

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      Did the Communist Party commit mass murder?

      Literally none of the rest of your post was necessary to answer this question.

      The answer is “yes.”

      The Chinese Communist Party has committed, is committing, will commit murder, mass-murder, “ethnic cleansing,” mass-rape, and genocide to achieve its ends*. It is sociopathy raised to an art form.

      It is psychotic at a level that would make Joseph Stalin wince.

      The goal is nothing less than total world domination and the eradication of all ethnic non-Chinese, with all power concentrated in the hands of the CPC.


      *For the avoidance of doubt, those “ends” are “power for power’s sake.”

  48. I’m in jail, let me out, please.

  49. If anyone wants to see the perfect liberal sniveling coward, see Chuck Shumer’s speech on the Senate floor. What a pathetic little bitch boy.

    • It won’t be long before the Liberal media claims this is a conspiracy against Hunter Biden. Oh, and it’s racist 😀

    • That Putin preferred Trump over Hillary never made any sense to me. He had the dirt on Hillary from the Uranium One deal and probably through her emails. She could be owned. The only caveat I had was being the weaker of two candidates, she could start a war more easily out of spite or just plain stupidity.

      What gets me often is that I am just a distant observer. The press and politicos are one the front lines so should have much more information. Why they cannot see these things is just beyond me. They are intentionally blind.


    Here Mathius. Before you parrot these idiots, I’ll save you some time and correct you now 😛

  51. BEIJING—The Chinese government has laid off its entire propaganda arm, cutting thousands of jobs at China Central Television and other state-run media outlets as the American media is already doing their job for them.

    “It seemed kinda redundant for us to have a state-run media when we have the American press,” said President Xi at a press conference Monday. “The American media is carrying water for us. It’s pretty incredible. We unleashed a virus on the world and lied about it for months, and the American press can’t stop praising us. As long as they make their orange leader look bad, they’ll repeat any line we feed them.”
    “Really, we Commies could learn a lot from the propaganda of the press over in America,” he added admiringly.
    The Communist dictator sat the nervous, state-owned journalists down and asked them, “What would you say you do there?” to which they responded, “We take the propaganda and tell it to the people.” But President Xi wasn’t fooled, saying that the American press already does that and the redundancy would be eliminated.
    Luckily for the state-owned journalists and broadcasters who lost their jobs in China today, CNN was hiring.

  52. Moscow (CNN)Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks, heightening public attention to the working conditions for doctors and medical professionals amid the coronavirus pandemic.

    • Mathius says:

      According to the State Department, the leading cause of death for Americans in Russia is “suicide.”

      Coincidence? I think not.

      TANGENT: There's a word in Japanese which translates, roughly to, "being suicided" which is to say they make you commit suicide.. which is to say, they murder you and call it a suicide. But it works for honor purposes when people turn a deliberate blind eye ("yes, of course he shot himself in the back of the head (twice) to restore the honor of the family name... nothing to see here.")

      Anyway, I’m sure people fall from windows all the time. Doctors included. But, you know, when it’s three doctors within the space of two weeks, and at least one of them very publicly complained about insufficient PPE and then spontaneously retracted his complaints shortly thereafter and then “fell” out of a window shortly thereafter… wellll….. it just starts to smell a bit fishy….

      Who knows? Maybe they were just distraught and overworked and saw their respective windows and thought “fuck it!”… then again, the one guy who didn’t die only “jumped” from the 2nd story, which is an odd choice for suicide… you’d think you’d want to at least get high enough up to ensure you go splat rather than wind up eating through a straw for the rest of your life.. but what I know? Maybe the guy was just impulsive?

      Yup… probably nothing to see here…

  53. Going to put up a new thread in the morning.

    For now, I’m looking into reports that NYC’s Covid deaths are wildly overstated as Funeral Home folks are stating that ALL death certificates are saying Covid under cause of death. One person forced an autopsy of her sister and it was NOT Covid. We shall see where this goes.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      So, simple….take the ordinary number of deaths that occur, pre Covid, subtract them from the post covid deaths for the same time period and Voila! You have the approximate number of deaths you can attribute to Covid/Wuhan 19!

      • Just a quick look and NYC has nearly double the death rate of Pennsylvania. If DeBlasio is inflating the numbers to get more Federal money, I would believe that he would be committing fraud.

  54. Here Are All The Reasons The Difference In Treatment Between Biden And Kavanaugh Isn’t Hypocritical:

  55. Canine Weapon says:

    Happy Cinco De Mayo!

    I hope you all have some corona today… err… um… never mind…

    • Ta-Da-Boom!

    • Of course, Cinco de Mayo on the border has a whole….different……meaning.

      • On this day in 1862, Mexican general and Texas native Ignacio Zaragoza defeated French expeditionary forces at Puebla, Mexico. This event is celebrated annually as El Cinco de Mayo. Once widely observed throughout Mexico, today it is an official public holiday only in the Mexican state of Puebla, where it is known as El Día de la Batalla de Puebla, or Battle of Puebla Day.

        There is nothing more to it… is very rarely celebrated in Texas……and if you ask any Mexican citizen what happened on the 5th of May in 1862………………..not many can tell you.

        • Mathius says:

          it is very rarely celebrated in Texas

          It was pretty big in LA growing up… lots of Mexicans in those parts… I don’t think anyone ever tied it to the Battle of Puebla, though… it was always more like how St. Patrick’s Day has morphed from a celebration of St. Patrick into a generic “celebration of all things Irish.” It was just a “celebration of Mexican culture / heritage.”

          That said, Churros were always easier to find on the Cinco…

          and if you ask any Mexican citizen what happened on the 5th of May in 1862………………..not many can tell you.

          Maybe that’s because the French turned around and kicked the Mexican’s collective asses in the SECOND Battle of Puebla and then followed that up by sacking Mexico City? Kindof overshaddows the minor win, no?

          There is nothing more to it…..

          I’ve HEARD that there are theories that, had the French been ultimately victorious in Mexico, they might have supported the South in the American Civil War. Who is to say what “might have happened,” but I thought it was interesting, anyway.

          • You are correct, it is like St Patricks day as a day of Mexican Heritage……but no parades or anything. Lots of parties in the Hispanic areas.

            Yes, I always asked my Mexican friends why they celebrated the “Cinco” when the French pretty much kicked their ass all over Mexico except for the one battle……he said…”We had to celebrate something”…..

    • If we open up the economy, 60,000 people will die in 8 weeks.
      if we do not open the economy for another 8 weeks, 60k people will die i 16 weeks.

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