Legacy in Flames


  1. It’s going to be a real fun summer!

  2. ATLANTA, GA—CNN has praised Governor Andrew Cuomo’s “brilliant” nursing home strategy as it ended in the deaths of thousands of senior citizens, who skew conservative and Republican.

    The station’s hosts said that forcing nursing home residents to admit COVID-19 patients was a “stroke of genius” that all other state governors really should start looking into.
    “A genius move, brother,” said Chris Cuomo as he interviewed Andrew Cuomo, which is not weird or biased at all. “Really inspired. How do you come up with it? You’re so great.”
    “Aw, shucks,” said Andrew Cuomo. “Stop it!”
    “No, you stop it.”
    “You stop it!”
    This went on for some time before the brothers argued at length over who would hang up first.
    At publishing time, the station had also recognized another element of just how genius this move was, since those killed by COVID-19 are now voting Democrat.

  3. Canine Weapon says:

  4. I hate masks, I hate masks. Get so hot, I have to fight an intense almost panic induced need to take it off. How do people working, wear these all day! Do you get used to it?

    • It sucks for sure. No, I’m not used to it. I put up with it. Its nasty too…gets all wet from sweat. I take the thing off as I exit the building and its almost instant attitude adjuster. First thing I do when I get home is wash my face. Between the masks and social distancing, everyone has an attitude. Very little socializing goes on at all. I get glares in the break room for completely taking mine off to eat or drink. Those on the moral high ground keep theirs around their chin. Ridiculous Bullshit.

  5. All those deaths in the NY nursing homes due to Cuomo’s orders to send infected patients there. It was totally justified. A voter recruitment drive.

  6. Canine Weapon says:

    Hey, look! I found the ObamaGate!

  7. Trump is speaking at the Ford plant that my son just hired into. He has orientation 7am tomorrow morning.

    • He just called me on his first break. Social distancing watches were handed to everyone. Get within 6 ft of someone else…watch goes off. Back Off Comrade!!!

      • I wonder where that info gets stored. Watch goes off too many times, then what? Do we all get to wear a watch soon? Nice expensive watch too…similar to the Apple watches.

  8. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Comments? NOTE: You must LISTEN first.

    • While most people can govern themselves, it seems more and more that Liberals must be led around by their noses by their plantation leadership. They require government edicts for their false sense of security and have no problem be oppressed for that false sense. When they don’t get their way, they act like 4 year old girls who had their ice cream cones taken. From screaming and crying to violence, Liberals need governed as they are incapable of self governance. 😛

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        The other recorded 1912 speeches make quite a big deal about the court’s “ruling” over the people (sound familiar)?Theodore is a great believer that an INFORMED public should be able to pass laws and overrule the courts. Note that he is constantly for THE people. He is NOT talking about executive actions allegedly done on behalf of the people. Reminds me of Bill Buckley’s oft quoted comment that he would rather be ruled by the first 100 people in the Boston phone book than the US Senate as it exists.

        The more I read, The more I realize just how different that brand of progressive populism was from Wilson’s or what is laughingly called “progressivism” today.

        Knowing a little bit about that period, I can more or less see that his entire political philosophy was to change, to adapt, to modernize before it is done for you. Comparing the American revolution to the failed French revolution and its madness, which does continue to this day in some forms is. Jefferson beats the shit out of Robespierre.

    • Michigans little Nazi SS AG fits right in with the tyrant Crats currently holding office’s.

      State and local bailouts? NO! Never reward poor management.

      Openings begin. People telling Crat governors to shove it, and rightfully so.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Frau Gretchen Whittmier! AKA Helga of the SS.

        • Just finished a story about Gov. Half Whitmer. As places or worship are closed as nonessential, apparently a gay swingers club in Lansing is open and considered essential. Morally bankrupt is being nice to this witch.

  9. TALLAHASSEE, FL—While many governors followed Science and shut down their states early and still have stay-at-home orders in place, Florida kept its beaches open through Spring Break and has already begun its reopening plans. Science says Florida should have seen skyrocketing deaths from COVID-19, but instead Florida — despite its large elderly population — has not seen anywhere near the number of problems faced by states like New York and New Jersey. This has been ruled to be in complete defiance of Science.

    “We had good Science telling us Florida should have seen massive deaths,” said far right-wing conservative Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin. “And now Florida is undermining our trust in Science by not dying. We cannot tolerate this. More Floridians need to die. To die for Science.”
    California Governor and Science believer Gavin Newsom agreed. “Ron DeSantis is a witch! Burn him!” Newsom said about the Florida governor. Experts widely believe DeSantis used something anti-Science — like black magic — to violate what Science said should be true.
    There is now a movement by Science-believing Democrats to actively try to infect Floridians to try to get their death count to match projections. Democrats have also called for DeSantis to be put in some sort of Science prison — a cage made using force fields or lasers or other Science things — though it is unknown if that would be able to imprison him, considering his Floridian black magic.

  10. Canine Weapon says:

    • Utter nonsense. Nobody ever thought video games would make you more informed.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      I find that most people who complain about Fox News or Rush Limbaugh have NEVER either listened or watched. If they have it has been for seconds. They never seem to be able to answer me when I point out that both Tucker carlson and Laura Ingraham always have intelligent opposing views presented and an open door policy towards those they criticize. Neil Cavuto comes to mind as another level headed, open minded guy. Unlike some of the “leftier” channels or stations who trot out fake conservative anti or never Trumpers, they do not trot out “fake liberals”.

      When Governor Phil Murphy, late of Goldman-Sachs, was on the Carlson show he commented that his authority for issuing executive orders was apparently not an issue. When pressed about the US Constitution,he basically blew that off as “above his pay grade”. That meant, I assume that “I”, am damn well doing what I please and the legal eagles can fight that out later……long after the damage has been done in my opinion. Locking that barn door after the cow is gone NEVER works.

      Asking questions like, what in the records of accomplishment of Stacy Abrams, Kamala Harris or Frau Gretchen Whittmier, qualify them in ANY way to be # 2 on a ticket led by a guy who is out to lunch? Asking such questions is neither extreme, racist nor anti-woman. My problem with the previous administration stems from teh fact that NO ONE, not even Fox News asked that about candidate Obama.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Stephen – little cringy with the absolutes. Tucker and Laura “always” have intelligent opposing views? I’m not sure you actually believe that – can’t take one kernel of corn and make 10 buckets of popcorn out of it. I’ve spent time I’ll never get back watching/listening/cringing at all the above – its all fiercely and deeply partisan – no reason to window dress it as something else.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          I see a whole lot more “intelligent” opposition on Fox than I have seen on MSNBC or CNN. Perfect? No, of course not but the again I grew up watching CBS, ABC and NBC lie through their teeth about most anything. So, in the scheme of things I have been pleasantly surprised that they don’t just trot out one Antifa Flake after another.

          Now, the wife and I, having gotten our marriage license on teh day Spiro T. Agnew resigned, were talking today about the differences in the way Nixon and Obama are treated. There Was NEVER any question on the left and even most moderates that Nixon knew about everything done in his name. However, Obama, after three years of massive hoaxes done in his name is apparently as clean as the driven snow. Fails Occam’s razor!

  11. This is sad. The residents at Forest Lawn or locked down and not allowed to leave the grounds this holiday weekend. But, they can vote at any time.

  12. Ray Hawkins says:

    “Obamagate” – a slogan in search of a scandal.

    • Mathius says:


      I LOVE YOU!!!


      You see what I’m dealing with around here? I’m just one man.. and I have other things to do with my time than argue with lunatics on the internet.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Been thinking about your comment. I assume that you believe there WAS a Russian collusion with Trump, there WAS a hack of the DNC by Russia, there WAS some kind of quid pro quo between Trump and probably everybody else. Hillary did NOT destroy 30,000 E-mails, Hillary did NOT pay for the Steele dossier, Comey, Brennan and Clapper ARE Patriots, acted alone and as if by magic all came up with the same idea at the same time. You also must believe that Going extra legal on Flynn WAS ok as were wire taps or their equivilent and of course MUST believe that lying on FISA applications, deliberately or by omission is at best small potatoes.

      Having, as an adult, lived through the original Watergate, I have to honestly say, Nixon “tried” to do some things mostly to cover up what underlings had done on their own to benefit him. SOMEBODY here tried a coup d’etat. You seem think it must have sprung, full grown from the head of Zeus. In teh scheme of things, Nixon was a piker.

  13. Ray Hawkins says:

    Hey G-Man – is Northern PA “yellow” now or no? Way down here (SE corner of State) – data seems to show we’re on the tail of things. But still “red”. Little League baseball – gone. Cub Scouts, Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts – all gone. Most all Summer Camps – toast. Turning backyard into combo “backyard bushcraft”, shooting range (bow and BB Gun), baseball/softball practice field, 3x gardening…..kids want chickens now too – not sure we’re ready for that. While I’m not a fan of home school (turns out I’m an impatient teacher) I do like that we’re not running around each night and all weekend from game to game to practice to practice to meetings to……argh! The time home has allowed some ‘catch up’ on things we took for granted the last several years.

    • Glad to hear that this has had some good effects for you and your clan. We are in that yellow phase, totally useless as we haven’t had a new case within 50 miles in over a month. There was more traffic today, but it’s also the day before a long weekend.

      Overall, I think Wolf way over-reacted for our area (rural). Keeping city folk locked up was a good idea but he is taking too long to reopen.

  14. I used a different design of face mask. Was a 100% better. The first one puffed out in the front, which just held the hot air in. Use the ones that fit tighter to the face. They are much better IMO.

  15. Joe Biden is facing a backlash for yet another disastrous interview during which he told the Breakfast Club’s black host, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

    This is going to haunt him down the road.

    Trump tells Governors that places of worship are essential. This should be fun watching Federal courts slam Crat Governors down.

  16. You ain’t black.

    Pass the popcorn.

    • LEHI, UT—Popular for-profit genealogy company Ancestry.com has revoked the family heritage of any African American who says they would not vote for Joe Biden. The company said they made the changes to reflect prevailing social beliefs about race and culture.

      “It used to be if your ancestors were from Africa and your skin was a darker pigment, then you were considered black,” said Ancestry spokesperson Sheila Reinold. “Times have changed. What really determines a person’s blackness now—beyond genes, DNA, family trees—is Joe Biden. Any other determiner of race is pure malarkey at this point.”

      A frustrated Ancestry.com customer, Brian Jennings of Log Ridge, Kentucky says he logged in to find his account had been wiped clean and years of ancestral research had been deleted all because he said in a recent Facebook post that he didn’t think he could bring himself to vote for “some 80-year old, white, dementia-riddled uncle creepy” for president.

      Reinold says that Ancestry is not abandoning customers like Jennings. “We are working with non-black blacks to places them into all-white genealogies free of charge.”

      Jennings says when he began seeking ancestral matches in his new account, his first match was a guy named Jethro Reginald Tinbucket who owned a cotton farm in West Virginia in the 1800s. After resubmitting his DNA, Jennings says he has come around to the changes receiving a huge amount of new matches to long lost relatives that are still alive today. “I plan to fly out to Colorado Springs to meet my real mom next month,” Jennings said. “Her name is Belinda and she didn’t blow her top when she found out I like Ben Shapiro. Thanks, Ancestry.”

  17. I don’t know who came up with this, but I thought I would share some humor with SUFA.
    Hope everyone has a good Memorial Day weekend.

    Why Did The Chicken Cross The Road?

    DONALD TRUMP: I’ve been told by many sources, good sources – they’re very good sources – that the chicken crossed the road. All the Fake News wants to do is write nasty things about the road, but it’s a really good road. It’s a beautiful road. Everyone knows how beautiful it is.

    Joe Biden: Why did the chicken do the…thing in the…you know the rest.

    SARAH PALIN: The chicken crossed the road because, gosh-darn it, he’s a maverick!

    BARACK OBAMA: Let me be perfectly clear, if the chickens like their eggs they can keep their eggs. No chicken will be required to cross the road to surrender her eggs. Period.

    AOC: Chickens should not be forced to lay eggs! This is because of corporate greed! Eggs should be able to lay themselves.

    HILLARY CLINTON: What difference at this point does it make why the chicken crossed the road.

    GEORGE W. BUSH: We don’t really care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There is no middle ground here.

    DICK CHENEY: Where’s my gun?

    BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with that chicken.

    AL GORE: I invented the chicken.

    JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about the chicken’s intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.

    AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white?

    DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won’t realize that he must first deal with the problem on this side of the road before it goes after the problem on the other side of the road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he is acting by not taking on his current problems before adding any new problems.

    OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which is why he wants to cross the road so badly. So instead of having the chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life, I’m going to give this chicken a NEW CAR so that he can just drive across the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.

    ANDERSON COOPER: We have reason to believe there is a chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other side of the road.

    NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he’s guilty! You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.

    PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.

    MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way the chicken was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer’s Market to sell my eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave me any insider information.

    DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad? Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I’ve not been told.

    ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain, alone.

    GRANDPA: In my day we didn’t ask why the chicken crossed the road. Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for us.

    BARBARA WALTERS: Isn’t that interesting? In a few moments, we will be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish it’s lifelong dream of crossing the road.

    ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

    ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did the road move beneath the chicken?

    COLONEL SANDERS: Did I miss one?

  18. WASHINGTON, D.C.—Nancy Pelosi has unveiled a proposal to simply guess how people were going to vote.

    The proposal would allow Democrats to make their best guess as to how people would have voted and turn in these estimates as official ballots.

    “This is a democracy,” she told Bloomberg News. “We need as many people voting as possible. And the best way to do that is for us to just guess how people would have voted and turn in those results. If you disagree, you probably hate America. And you’re also a big, dumb, doo-doo head.”

    Trump has strongly opposed this move, suggesting it could turn into voter fraud. “The Dems are scared,” he said. “Pathetic Pelosi thinks she can ruin my landslide victory by guessing that all the Trump people would vote Biden. Not true! If every vote were counted equally and honestly, I’d win by 120%. Or more! Many people are saying more. The best people are saying it.”

    He then unveiled his own proposal to “make voting fun again” by having everyone fill out their ballots with one of those giant novelty pencils kids used to get in school as a reward for participating in a fundraiser. “It’d be so funny,” he said, suppressing a giggle. “Everyone marking Trump with one of those big pencils. I’d love to see it.”

  19. How much money did we waste on unneeded field hospitals, ventilators, hospital ships…?

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:


    • Ray Hawkins says:

      How did you determine they were unneeded?

      • By being empty.

        • Mathius says:

          Yes, yes… flawless logic!

          We didn’t end up using it, thus it was “unneeded” and “wasted.”

          In fact, I haven’t used the airbags or crumple zones in my car, either! I can’t believe I wasted my money on something that very plausibly could have saved my life but ultimately turned out to be not needed. What a moron I am for paying for insurance when I haven’t even needed it?? Hell, I’ve owned a home for over a decade now and it hasn’t burned down once – think of all the money I WASTED on all that UNNEEDED insurance-protection against potential downside scenarios that ultimately failed to appear.

          I mean, you know, it’s possible that my home might have burned down during that period… I mean, that’s a thing that very plausibly could have happened, right? And if I’d had no insurance during that time, it would have been catestrophic. But since we’re using Gman logic here, we can know in advance that a probabilistic event won’t occur and then back into the conclusion that hedging against such events is a waste of money.

          Then again, seeing as people don’t have access to perfect knowledge of the future, one wonders what might have happened if the shit HAD hit the fan and those hospitals hadn’t been built? Might that have been the worse of the scenarios?


          Maybe it’s ASSININE to sit there with hindsight and claim something “wasted” money on protection from a pandemic whose severity was so uncertain?

          Christ, gman, how stupid and ass-backward is this “logic” of yours?

          • Mathius says:

            Sorry, this was T-Ray… I must have just naturally assumed that such a position would belong to Gman… please feel free to mentally amend the above post to reverence T-Ray instead of Gman.

            Apologies for the mistake.

          • I didn’t post that ,Einstien.

          • A fine example of over reaction. When do we start preparing for the next major asteroid? Oh, I forgot, AGW will get us first. Let’s overreact to that and spend trillions on it so we can be perfectly safe preventing a non-problem. Hell it is only money, we can always print more.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Your logic is illogical. People panicked. Governor Cuomo panicked, people pulled bullshit demands out of their asses. Cuomo had a field hospital and a ship and STILL sent Grampy and Granny to not only die but kill other Granny’s and Grampy’s. If he was SOFUCKINGSTUPID Not to understand what would happen in sending sick people in with other compromised people he deserves a resounding kick in the ass before he gets booted from office.

            So far, I have been right MORE than Dr. Fauci. Today we hear the latest 180, there MAY not be a second wave! The bastard suffers from something called “Jesuititis”, the total inability to see when you are wrong and learn from it.

      • Hi all…have been gone for the last several days. Catching up……..

        • To Sir Mathius: It is obvious that you have never been on the front lines. The mobile hospitals that we set up in Texas were not needed because of an over reaction to what I believe to be a nasty flu. (Yes, I know about the definition of Covid, so no lectures are needed and no home spun wit ) We, Texas, reacted to what the SO CALLED EXPERTS you are so in love with blew it. Now, 20/20 hindsight is rampant….giving credit for 20/20 hindsight, or arm chair generals and quarter backs and Presidents, I suppose that the next line of defense for shutting the country down was “for our own collective good”…made by people who stand out in the rain and look up…and like good little lemmings we believed in that…..now all the data is beginning to show that it was not necessary but we did not know that at the time…..SO….in the off chance that they MIGHT be correct….throw out the baby with the bathwater. You seem to fall in the category that it is better to have too much and not need it than to need it and not have it. Ok, that is your choice and your opinion.

          My opinion, which is just as sound as yours, is that we over reacted from the beginning. New York may have had hospitals that were inundated….we did not. So, New York needs to build more hospitals….so raise your taxes and build more. Our largest hospital enrollment was 64% and that included trauma cases.

          I think you will agree that what we have found out is that one size does not fit all…it never has and it never will.

          Here is the problem now…….since this did not turn out to be the killer everyone thought it would be and since the shut down all but ruined this country……….the next “so called” pandemic….WHEN it happens…..who will pay attention to it. Not I…..and not most of the people, I fear.

  20. There was a time when Americans hitched up old Dobbin and drive to the poling station to vote. The station could be 5-10 miles away so the trip could be 1-3 hrs long. Since voting was done in the fall, it could also be raining or snowing. The roads were mostly mud. Since it was fall, it was harvest time. Most farmers had to stop picking corn to make the trip.

    Now we are told that driving a few miles in an air conditioned/heated car is too much of a bother. It will not be long before they read our mind and cast the vote for us.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      I’m loving the ability to vote by mail. Doing it this way doesn’t make me feel more or less engaged in the process. It does save me an unnecessary trip in the car when I can be doing other more productive things. I take confidence in knowing that my ballot is reasonably secure and will be counted appropriately. What unnerves me are my brethren that drift to the right of me and think they need to restrict my right to vote with boogeyman tactics and conspiracy theories. I simply remind them to I don’t tell them what firearms to strap to their waist or what god they should pray to – nor should they try and interfere with a legal means for me to cast my vote.

      • Ray,

        In the past one had to request an absentee ballot via a signed postcard. This served as proof that the voter was active. I just saw a FB post from a distant cousin that said they received 7 ballots in a household of 3 voters. Two were for paternal parents now deceased. Two were for maternal parents moved out of state. In my CA household, we will get 3 ballots. One for my son in TX and one for my wife who is mentally not capable of filling out the ballot or deciding who to vote for. She has not voted for several years. So if I were dishonest, I would get 3 votes.

        In the 2018 CA HoR elections, several formerly Republican seats were flipped. In several cases, the republican candidate was ahead on election night and then lost over the next several days as the mail in ballots were counted. It seems awfully fishy to me that the mail in ballots would be significantly different statistically than the in person balloting.

        I do not want any non-felon citizen to be denied the right or opportunity to vote. At the same time I do not want my vote cancelled by a non-citizen or by some skunk who cheats and fills out multiple ballots. There is more than enough evidence to prove the honor system does not work.

        So please tell us how you propose to make a secure election system.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          T-Ray – hi – two + weeks ago my wife and I both went online and completed an application for mail-in voting. I was comfortable that with the information I was required to supply – an adequate level of validation was being done. We received email confirmation of our submission as well as updates on the status of the process. Within 5 business days my wife had her ballot. I waited a few more days for mine – then called County Voter Services to inquire. They were surprised Id not yet received my ballot. My order was canceled and a new ballot issued for me. As you’d guessed – when i checked my mail the same day – the damn ballot was in there (ballot #1). I’d already been informed that should I receive the ballot #1 I should discard it. It would not….could not be counted as it had been canceled. Yesterday I received #2. Comparing side-by-side they are different. I can sleep at night knowing that should I send in ballot #1 (intentional or not) – it will not be counted. Is there some remote possibility something fraudulent could happen with my ballot? I guess. That possibility does not become any more relevant that in-person voting. I have no reason good reason to believe my vote is at risk. I’ll add here that years ago I worked for the County in which I reside. I worked in a role that required me to work election night. Even way back then – there was a healthy blend of manual and compute-driven process that was secure and simple.

          As for California? I have no idea what is actually going on out there. I tried to share enough here to provide a sense that folks here are thoughtful about their choices. Is California prone to some higher occurrence of fraud? I dunno. And I don’t care. Sounds like a local/State problem. Which is way I say – please leave me alone in my space of things to vote in a legal secure manner. I don’t need to design a secure election system – and I certainly don’t need to see my individual vote thru every hand it touches, every scanner that scans it to feel ok that my vote was counted and not fraudulent.

          Last I find it peculiar that you’re of the sway that thinks felons should not vote. I can understand revoking certain rights for someone actively incarcerated (right to bear arms) – but why take away voting? Makes no sense to me. Thanks for reading along.

          • Interesting thought on voter suppression. I have only seen one example, in 2008, in Philly, by the Black Panthers, in support 9f Obama.
            I think long lines are also a problem, but in urban areas. More polling places would fix it , yet it’s not being fixed. Why?

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              Gman – why its not being fixed? Great question. I suspect some of it – not all – is funding/timing – its not a problem faced everyday so it doesn’t get as much love or cash.

              • What came to mind was the recent special election in California where a new polling station magically showed up in a heavy blue part of the precinct, didn’t matter, but says alot to me about what’s being done isn’t an accident or lack of money.

            • Mathius says:

              Interesting thought on voter suppression. I have only seen one example, in 2008, in Philly, by the Black Panthers, in support 9f Obama.

              So, I guess you were visiting Pluto the other week when the Republicans played grab-ass with Milwaukee and made 500k people vote in-person at 5 locations during a pandemic?

              Or, hell, let’s just stick with Milwaukee.. can you cast your mind alllllll the way back to ’08 when the Republicans tried to purge 60,000 (mostly Democratic) voters from the registry?

              No? No memory?

              Ok, well here’s one from the way-back machine:

              Too far back? That’s ok, let’s try a bit more recent, shall we?

              2004? Michigan Republican state legislator John Pappageorge was quoted as saying, “If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we’re going to have a tough time in this election.”

              Still too far back?

              2006: In 2006, roughly 14,000 Democratic voters with Spanish surnames in Orange County, California received letters before the November 7 election falsely warning that immigrants could face jail time or deportation for vote.

              Still too old?

              2008? The now infamous flyer from Franklin County, Ohio, pretended to come from the County Board of Elections urging Republicans and Democrats to vote on different days; the Republican-designated day was the true Election Day.

              More 2008? bogus emails sent to students at George Mason University stating
              that voting on campus had been moved back one day and discussing problems at other campuses such as Ohio State and Florida State where students received text messages to the same effect, and at Virginia Tech, where students received mass-emails via Facebook regarding bogus changes to voting schedules

              Still too far back?

              In 2010, the campaign of Republican candidate Bob Ehrlich placed thousands of Election Day robocalls to Democratic voters, telling them that the Democratic candidate, Martin O’Malley, had won, although in fact the polls were still open for some two more hours. The Republicans’ call, worded to seem as if it came from Democrats, told the voters, “Relax. Everything’s fine. The only thing left is to watch it on TV tonight.”[84] The calls reached 112,000 voters in majority-African American areas.

              [Odd… I’m sensing a theme here.. maybe it’s just my imagination.. yea, that’s probably it..]

              2016: In July 2016, a three-judge panel of the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a trial court decision in a number of consolidated actions and struck down the law’s photo ID requirement, finding that the new voting provisions targeted African Americans “with almost surgical precision,” and that the legislators had acted with clear “discriminatory intent” in enacting strict election rules, shaping the rules based on data they received about African-American registration and voting patterns.

              In 2017, Indiana passed a law allowing the state to purge voters from the rolls without notifying them, based on information from the controversial Crosscheck system…. purge.. ok, maybe.. I don’t know.. but why not notify them and give them a chance to correct the error? Could it be… that you don’t want them to correct the error?

              2012-2018: In Texas, the 50 counties that have experienced the greatest increases in African-American and Latino populations had 542 polling sites closed between 2012 and 2018, while those with the lowest increases in minority populations had only 34 closures.

              • Intentional voter suppression actions should be subject to the same punishments as actual ballot fraud. I have never supported voter suppression going back to the early 60s during the civil rights movement before I could even vote. This is the traditional position of the party of Lincoln.

                As for voter IDs, I support them. It is racist to the core to say that minorities are to dumb or lazy to get an official ID.

              • 2012-2018: In Texas, the 50 counties that have experienced the greatest increases in African-American and Latino populations had 542 polling sites closed between 2012 and 2018, while those with the lowest increases in minority populations had only 34 closures. Tch Tch……quit cherry picking. Did you bother to read the reason why this was done? NO?? Please allow me to refresh your memory,,the polling stations in those districts, illegally set up, out numbered, on a per capita basis compared to the rest of the state. It was simply made equal.

          • A positive response system where you physically request an absentee ballot is fine. That is the way it use to be. However, here in CA, the ballots just magically appear in the mail box. My wife, being disabled is on an automatic absentee request. My son who moved out of state several years ago is still listed on the rolls despite me returning his preliminary ballot marked as such. During the primary recently, I received 3 ballots for this household. What the state does is just blanket mail out ballots so there are lots of unrequested ballots that can be harvested. You and I are honest voters, so there is no problem. But it only takes a few dishonest individuals to harvest these ballots, fill them out and submit them. Yes there is a signature verification process but how good does that work? My wife could sign her ballot after I fill it out but her signature would just be a scroll and would look nothing like the signature on file. How close do they require the signature to look?

            You said you went on line to request the ballot. I frequently need to do financial and health business for my wife on line. There is no way she can do it. No I have power of attorney so have the legal right to make the transaction. But there is no way the computer system knows that it is not her on the opposite end of the transaction. Since registrars infrequently purge their rolls for dead people, it would be easy for a charlatan to access the SS death index, go on line and request ballots for the departed. Where there is the will, they will find the way.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Talk about apples and oranges . What did you do with the real Mr. Hawkins?

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        So, you send ballots to everyone in the state who has a driver’s license in a state that issues driver’s licenses to non-citizens….and that’s just fine with you. Tell me what you been smokin.

        I am sick and tired of telling folks that fraud is all over teh place, doing links to supported my contention then being told over and over by the brain challenged , There is NO fraud”. Jeez, we just had a LOCAL case here in Elmwood Park NJ where the Mayor visited and helped some 300 stay at home residents fill out their absentee ballots. Guess how many votes he won by….

        Finishing up, “Theodore Roosevelt, Commissioner” about the late 1890’s in NYC. Voter fraud was all over the place and the solution was “in person voting” with ID. That’s what “good government” groups used to support and Tammany opposed. Guess we know where you would stand. Cops actually visited addresses where multiple alleged residents were registered to vote to verify their residence. Imagine that?

        When people actually took their lives in their hands to vote in Iraq, remember the purple ink on their fingers? I was yet again disguisted with my fellow countrymen who think either nothing of voting or are too @#$%^&* busy to bother.

        • Who works at DMV? It is the SEIU. Do you think they are unbiased? My CA DL is not valid for use as a federal ID, i.e., I cannot board a plane with it Why, because, getting a DL in CA requires only minimal documentation. Next year when my passport expires, I will need to go to the DMV with a handful of documents to get and an “official” DL.

          As a kid, I remember the 1960 election. We lived about 60 miles west of Chicago. We stayed up late to hear the results but it was too close to call. The down state votes were tallied and reported. These were mostly paper hand counted ballots. Chicago with their voting machines lagged way behind. In the end, the Chicago vote flipped a strong Nixon down state count to Kennedy. Mayor Daley came through in the end with just enough votes. Election fraud has been around for decades if not centuries. Look at Harry Truman’s victories in MO. All supported by the Pendergast mob out of KC.

          Our ancestors would scoff at how lazy we have become. There is virtually no effort to get off our butts and drive to a polling station to cast a vote compared to what they went through in the 19th century.

          Vote by mail also has to be the most expensive approach as there is all the mailing cost, the time to verify signatures and open the envelopes one at a time. this is just another problem that the politicians would rather argue about and do nothing. We can make our voting process secure w/o disenfranchising people.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          Stephen – I’m actually not sure what you’re talking about. I’m not aware that my State sends ballots to non-US citizens. Please show me where this is practice.

          “Fraud is all over the place”……pfffttt…..

          Does fraud happen? Yeah, sure. Is it “widespread”? An “epidemic”? Clearly a crime perpetrated by liberals to regain political advantage? Show us the data not the anecdotes.

          If we going to make it harder and harder to vote because some bad actor found a crack in the system or some antiquated process sent a ballot to a dead person – can we also make it harder and harder to buy guns because we know some amount of guns will end up in the hands of a bad actor? Stop penalizing the people who use the system the way it was intended. We’re not being lazy – we have an effective secure way to vote in the election that doesn’t require me to go wait in a ridiculously long line. The system worked!

  21. LANSING, MI—Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer has ordered all citizens to barbecue indoors this Memorial Day.

    The executive order restricts all Memorial Day barbecue celebrations to inside only.

    “You’re more than welcome to celebrate your freedoms with a barbecue as long as you don’t go outside,” she said, wagging her finger like a school teacher. “Naughty boys and girls hold barbecues outdoors where the big, scary coronavirus can get them. Good boys and girls barbecue inside where it is safe.”

    Anyone who disobeys the order will be put on time-out and sent to bed without any dessert. Those who continually disobey will be grounded and have their Nintendo privileges taken away.

    At publishing time, sources had confirmed this restriction would likely be extended through Labor Day 2025.

  22. 202, the year of the Health Nazis

  23. https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/05/26/does-this-facebook-post-change-everything-about-the-viral-karen-video-from-central-park/

    Here’s the rest of the story. She should of put the dog on the lease but he was intentionally threatening her. Calling the cops was appropriate.

    • NYC liberals on full dislpay today . Woefully uninformed and think they are above others.

      • I couldn’t care less if they are liberals. I’ve been reading about what’s being done to this woman all day and it’s absolutely crazy. There isn’t a woman in this country who wouldn’t have felt in danger the second he said ” “Look, if you’re going to do what you want, I’m going to do what I want, but you’re not going to like it”. Everybody seems to be against her, either accusing her being a racist, or basically saying, who cares she’s just a liberal. Both are wrong.

  24. SANTEE JUNCTION, MO—At an early voting location this morning, African American citizen Conroy Ferguson turned white after voting Republican. Witnesses also claim he aged about 10 years and become perceivably more stuffy and unpleasant. Upon checking his wallet, Ferguson found his name had also changed to Clinton Hemsley.

    Hemsley attempted to return to his family but when he explained what had happened he was cast out—not for his new skin color but for voting Republican.

    There are now signs up at the voting location warning black voters that if they vote Republican they may also suddenly turn white.

  25. This time I’m on the side of the black guy. The cops in MN really blew it. The guy was flat on the ground, cuffed, begging for his life. Cop should have had him in the back of the car way before the guy even started pleading. They got fired at least, but I see some serious lawsuits coming from it too. The video was hard to watch. Should have never happened.

  26. Ray Hawkins says:

    Since am not a frequent visitor – curious what the current general sentiment here is on Biden? As vile as I think Trump is, why in the world does the left think that another “lesser of two evils” choice inherently favors Biden? This isn’t “crazy old white guy” says dumb things time to time and people forgive gramps – “not being Trump” isn’t a serious strategy to convince me or others to vote for you. I’m sensing another privileged asshole who thinks its simply his turn and doesn’t have a discernible plan or strategy. Feel like am hearing echoes of SUFA from Kent or others – choosing the lesser of two evils is still…..choosing evil.

    • Mathius says:

      Since am not a frequent visitor – curious what the current general sentiment here is on Biden?

      They think he’s (A) the devil incarnate (B) a socialist commie (C) a rapist / molester / sex offender (D) senile and (E) substantially impugned by the various imagined crimes of “ObamaGate.” Any or all of the foregoing.

      They believe, further, that he sold his political capital to Ukraine via Hunter, and was explicitly a bad-actor in trying to get the Ukrainian prosecutor in order to protect and benefit his son. This is a crime worse than Benghazi, which, as you know, is the greatest political scandal of all time.

      He also kicks puppies.

      s vile as I think Trump is, why in the world does the left think that another “lesser of two evils” choice inherently favors Biden?

      Maybe I’m a bit thrown by your phrasing.

      People here (ex me) think that Biden is – at best – a “business as usual” politician in a time which calls for nothing less than the greatness of Donald Trump. At worse, well, see my previous paragraphs. At worst, they view him as a criminal, sexual offender, senile old coot, who should be rotting in prison rather than running for office. And, of course, anyone who thinks otherwise is a traitor.

      I think Biden is fine… I’m not thrilled. I’d have liked Bernie. But I get why he lost. Failing Bernie, I’d have liked Warren. But I get why she lost. Failing Warren, I’d have liked Mayor Pete. But I get why he lost. So…. ::shrug::

      I am… concerned.. about his electability. I am concerned that he’s getting up there in years and may not be 100% of who he used to be. I am concerned that he carries a lot of baggage into the general and that he’s not the brawler that Trump is.

      I’ll vote for him. Because, frankly, I’d vote for Timothy McVeigh over Trump.

      And everyone in my entire family (excluding my father-in-law) thinks Trump is such an incredible shit-bag that it doesn’t really matter WHO the Democrats put up, they’ll vote for him.

      This isn’t “crazy old white guy” says dumb things time to time and people forgive gramps – “not being Trump” isn’t a serious strategy to convince me or others to vote for you.

      I don’t disagree with you.

      But, well, he’s “fine.”

      And Trump is an abomination – a stain which will take a century to wash from our national identity.

      I’d vote for Biden over, say, Romeny. Maybe even over a 2004 McCain (but definitely over a 2008 McCain w/ Palin).

      Conversely, I’d vote for W over Trump. Hell, I might even vote for Dick Cheney over Trump. If the election came down to Trump and Mitch McConnel, I’d probably just commit seppuku.

      So, yes, I would definitely like to see some reasons to vote FOR Biden.. but, at least for me, he’s… fine… And, dear Jesus, please.. anything but another Trump term. (not to mention: can you imagine how insufferable SUFA would be?

      I’m sensing another privileged asshole who thinks its simply his turn and doesn’t have a discernible plan or strategy.

      Maybe. Maybe that’s just the narritive.

      He beat a lot of other people.

      Yes, yes. The game was rigged against the true progressives.

      And, yes, Mayor Pete is gay, so he was a non starter in the general.

      And, yes, 90% of why he was was his ability to drop “when I was VP for my buddy Barack” into every conversation.

      But he DID still win.

      And some people are in his corner and – somehow – enthusiastic about him.

      Not me. I think he’s milquetoast.

      I don’t know if “entitled” is the right way to look at it, but frankly, I don’t really care.

      I don’t even care if he has a “plan” or a “strategy.” We live in a shitty two-party system where your options are Blue-Team-Garbage and Red-Team-Radioactive-Nuclear-Waste.

      You can throw your vote at a third party if you want or you can stay home. But that’s why we got Trump instead of Clinton. I can’t tell you how many people I would have rathered won than Clinton, but they weren’t options. Either Clinton was going to win or Trump and the fact that people couldn’t stomach voting for the lesser of two evils is why we got Trump.

      And I, for one, will take the lesser of two evils.

      And I assume – just by virture of where he is and what he’s done in his life – that he is an unfettered sociopathic asshole and narcisist on par with any other President (excluding Trump, who is on his own level). And I DO NOT CARE.

      I’m not voting for a friend. I want someone who will push this country in the right direction.

      And, if I can’t have that, I’ll at least throw my support behind the guy who isn’t actively trying to drag the country into a volcano.

      Feel like am hearing echoes of SUFA from Kent or others – choosing the lesser of two evils is still…..choosing evil.

      I guess.

      You’re not wrong.

      But, well, again, the choice is binary. You can decline to play, but that just means that people who like “the other guy” are going to make the choice for you.

      It’s a trolly problem.

      Pulling that lever IS going to produce a bad result. Failing to pull it will produce a worse one. So is it really “moral” to refuse to play the game on principle?

    • Biden is a sacrificial lamb sent to the lions cage. He’s been in politics for 40 to 50 years, which tells me he’s part of the problem not the solution.
      He’s likable enough, despite his issue with little girls and hair. He’s not to bright, doesnt display very good judgement far too often..
      Trump may not be a great person, but so far a damn good Prez, compared to that soyboy we had last.

      • Mathius says:

        He’s been in politics for 40 to 50 years, which tells me he’s part of the problem not the solution.


        He’s likable enough, despite his issue with little girls and hair.

        That’s one hell of a “despite,” you got there…

        He’s not to bright

        Ahhh… but does he know the difference between “to” and “too”?

        He’s not to bright

        I’ve seen him give plenty of… thoughtful… answers. I’ve heard him answer questions which show that he’s at least “with it” (as of that time) and I’ve never seen an answer on par with some of the absolute blather that comes out of Trump’s mouth, so if “smart” is a requirement for you, then Biden is the obvious choice.

        Then again, he didn’t have an Uncle who was a great super genius at MIT, Dr. John Trump, genius. So, really, how smart can Biden be?

        Trump may not be a great person,

        Trump is a grade A asshole.

        An incomparable narcisistic.

        A pathological liar.

        A juvenile name-caller.

        A bully.

        And he has cheated on all three of his wives.

        “Not a great person” is putting it very mildly.

        but so far a damn good Prez,

        Obviously, we’re going to have to agree to disagree on this.

        compared to that soyboy we had last.

        “soyboy”… God, you’re a piece of shit sometimes.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          He’s not to bright

          Ahhh… but does he know the difference between “to” and “too”?

          I say absolutely NOT. He doesn”t know the difference between his wife and daughter or between himself and Trump, so there is no way in God’s green earth he knows to from too or even two for that matter.

        • Matius says: Trump is a grade A asshole.

          An incomparable narcisistic.

          A pathological liar.

          A juvenile name-caller.

          A bully.

          And he has cheated on all three of his wives.

          “Not a great person” is putting it very mildly.

          “soyboy”… God, you’re a piece of shit sometimes.

          Can’t see the blatant hypocrisy apparently.

          • TDS fogs the vision and the mind. Obama was all image but little substance and what there was was terrible. Trump has a terrible image but the substance is positive.

            The lefts still cannot accept the fact that Obama perverted the alphabet agencies for his own political purposes. We have been lied to about the Russia thing and other hoaxes for three years but the self aggrandizing of Trump is more important. The left is all superficial and no substance.

            Out of 330,000,000 people, the best the Dems have to offer is Joe Biden. I could pick 20 people off the street, interview them and find a better candidate.

            • Mathius says:

              Out of 330,000,000 people, the best the Dems have to offer is Joe Biden

              Well this is absolutely false.

              Out of 330mm Americans…
              Which is ~180mm liberal-inclined
              Which is ~125mm in a reasonable age range
              Which is ~5mm who are sociopaths (a pre-requisite for high-level politics)
              Which is ~5k who are willing to subject themselves to public elections
              Which is ~50 who have the experience / money / connection so to make a plausible run
              Which is ~5 once winnowed down
              Which is ~1 once the powers that be within the party decide who the winner will be

              I figure there are PLENTY of better candidates left, right, and center than the pair of shit-tacos we’ve got now. It’s just a series of constraining filters until you wind up here.


          • Mathius says:

            I don’t think there’s any hypocrisy here.

            I said you’re a piece of shit sometimes because… shocker.. you’re a piece of shit sometimes.

            In Gman world, apparently, calling someone out for dickish behavior necessarily makes you as bad as people who engage in dickish behavior.

            • Uh, I’m thinking there’s a little hypocrisy here. I also think you’ve gotten a little carried away with attacking G, personally, constantly.

              • Mathius says:

                Uh, I’m thinking there’s a little hypocrisy here.

                Fine. Maybe a bit.

                I also think you’ve gotten a little carried away with attacking G, personally, constantly.

                Naw… if anything, I’m not taking it far enough.

                I’m going to start including his hippy-hair in my tirades.

                I also think you’ve gotten a little carried away with attacking G, personally, constantly.

                Come on, V. “soyboy”? Really? You don’t think that’s just a shitty thing to call someone?

                According to Urban Dictionary, the term soy boy means: “Slang used to describe males who completely and utterly lack all necessary masculine qualities. This pathetic state is usually achieved by an over-indulgence of emasculating products and/or ideologies. […] The average soy boy is a feminist, nonathletic, has never been in a fight, will probably marry the first girl that has sex with him, and likely reduces all his arguments to labeling the opposition as ‘Nazis’ ”

                He might as well be calling Obama a “pussy” or “cuck” or an “effeminate faggot.” And that’s to say nothing at all of the implication that all things feminine or not-conforming to his medieval idea of masculinity are somehow inferior.

                It’s a juvenile and, frankly, shitty way to attack people you don’t like. It’s a juvenile and, frankly, shitty mindset. And I’m going to call it that.

              • Don’t mind Mathius V, he’s doing his best Karen imitation. I think he is still mas cuz I called his car a soyboy car, which, it is. And as far as Obama, yep, a soyboy. But it’s OK for Mathius to call Trump anything he wants, cuz, well, he’s a hypocrit.

    • Biden was not qualified for the job in the 1980’s and is even worse now. He is a place holder. Whoever is his #2 will finish his term. I am always amazed at how the D’s overlook the corruption and other faults in their candidates but go apoplectic about the faults on the other side. Clinton was corrupt and so is the Biden family if not with the active participation of Joe but certainly with a wink and a nod. Find someone else.

      Trump is a blowhard, braggart, and womanizer. We knew that going in. He is not xenophobic, racist, fascist or many of the other labels applied to him. That is the myth that has perpetrated by the opposition and the MSM. What he has done for the country is for the better despite the constant unsupported attacks on him by the D’s, Rhinos, and the MSM. If the information that has come out lately has not opened your eyes to the true level of corruption in our government, then you are truly blind. If you do not know the dangers of socialism, then you are also not very intelligent. We are currently living through tyrannical times ordered by our elite elected governors. Learn what it feels like. I went to the store yesterday morning. The paper products aisle was 20% full, the most I have seen in 2 months. I need to buy new generator to prepare for the power outages that will come this summer. I live in the one party state of Venezifornia.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Mr. Trump’s new movie about Joe Scarborough………… CLASSLESS.

    Mr. Romney’s new movie getting in the middle of it…………. CLASSLESS II.

  28. Watched a montage video of the so called expert Dr. Fauci talk about wearing masks. March: No need April: Ok May: a symbol. I’m done with this bullshit. The masks have been retired.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      This guy routinely does 180’s without so much as a “sorry bout that”.

      Hand him a medal, usher him out tehedoor to a recommended by Andrew Cuomo retirement home.

  29. On the voting subject. Absentee ballots are fine and should continue as is. If I’m going to vote, I want the least amount of people involved to get it counted. It’s hard enough to believe every votes matters as it is, but not protecting that vote makes it pointless to bother with. Get up, go to the polls and pretend you care.

    Mathius’s post on voter suppression, with comments like: Republicans TRIED, someone was QUOTED, Republicans attempted etc are useless examples of nothing. Sending out a flyer to Democrats saying that election day is on a Wednesday and claiming that it’s an example of voter suppression really means that Crat voters are dumb asses and are too stupid to know when to vote. Maybe the idiots who believed it shouldn’t be voting anyway. I’ll stop there.

    Voting fraud should have serious consequences and they should be made very public. Maybe, just maybe, if one fraudulent vote shows up, then the whole district is held up until EACH vote is validated. No more dead Crats voting. No more votes put in car trunks. Votes located after the fact are null and void. More to come.

    • Bring back public stocks for voter frauds. A little public shaming and an occasional rotten tomato might be a good solution.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      G-Man – sorry if I’m asking for the old tape to be played – but what in the world is with this narrative that only Democrats are behind any nefarious voting activity? I’ll hold firm – I’m a keep honest people honest kinda guy. I’ve done my due diligence to get comfort the Pennsylvania process is well designed and has the right controls in it. I am voting by mail because I can. I’ll take that time back and take my kids to the field for long tossing and batting cage work. It does not make me less of a patriot that someone who wants to go stand in line.

      • It’s not just Crats, but, much of the fraud happens in Crat strongholds. Maybe that’s just a coincidence, maybe it’s because the Crats fight tooth and nail against voter ID. But I must ask, is your mail in ballot for the Primary, General or both? I’m not concerned about the Primaries, as I’m an Independent and don’t vote in them. As far as the General, I prefer to do it in person. Just less chance of it becoming lost. Plus, I want to make sure NOONE votes under my name.

  30. Ray Hawkins says:

    Said differently (and paraphrased)….

    “We need to limit the ability of the American people to vote using the U.S. mail. I have a gut feeling that there will be wide spread, coordinated vote fraud using mailed ballots that will deny me a second term in the White House.”

    “I don’t care if I agreed to the terms and conditions of a private company in order for me to use their free service. I don’t like what they’ve done by insinuating my lies are lies so I’m going to use my bully pulpit to try and damage them as a company, change their policies and bend them to my will.”

    …..now how any person with an ounce of conservative blood in their veins could continue to support this troll stupefies me.

    • Facebook and Twitter have a long history of censorship against conservatives (add You Tube as well). I don’t use either, but, censorship can interfere with elections when the only voice people see and hear are one sided. Not to mention that their terms and conditions change with the wind based on which Liberal is pushing the delete button.

      US Mail. I don’t trust anyone, including them. When there are too many hands in the cookie jar, the cookies will come up missing. By simply tossing ballots in the trash going by zip code, elections can be changed. Would you want your ballot tossed by a cheater conservative because your zip pretty much tells the story of how you vote?

    • ..now how any person with an ounce of liberal blood in their veins could continue to support the lying legacy liberal media stupefies me.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Conservative media never lies do they? This feels like SUFA from 10+ years ago. LOL. I’ve taken greater interest in reading historical biographies as of late – currently 90% thru “Grant” by Ron Chernow. Amazing book. Interesting takeaway related here is that the press/media was hyper-partisan even back then. Its not new. Its not different. And its not reserved to the liberal media outlets. Its pure cringe anyone could think conservative media outlets don’t lie about, tell half-truths or spin away. What was bootlicker sycophant Lou Dobbs saying last night about POTUS? My god – grow a pair and a spine Lou. Sickening.

        • Mathius says:

          Its pure cringe anyone could think conservative media outlets don’t lie about, tell half-truths or spin away.

          Come on Ray! That’s ridiculous.

          Everyone knows that only liberals lie.

        • The Liberal media hasn’t been too accurate the last , well, 20 years or so. The conservative media is fairly new in terms of media. But feel free to provide a lie from FOX, that would be fun.

          • Equine Weapon says:

            Well, for starters there’s a highly deceptive lack of foxes and fox-related news.

            Has Hannity even ONCE discussed the plight of the arctic fox? No.. NEVER.

            Absolute horse-shit.

            • Not talking about their nighttime opinion shows. Thats not news, just opinion.

    • Now who is lying?

      We had 3 years of the Russian hoax with the bigwig Dems going on air and claiming Trump was a Manchurian candidate but behind closed doors, they ALL testified that they had seen no evidence of any collusion. YOU SHOULD BE ANGRY AS HELL. YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO FOR THREE YEARS. LIES THAT MATTER.

      As for voter fraud with respect to mail in ballots, no one has any problem with you, a law abiding citizen. It is the non-law abiding that are the problem. The same goes for guns.

      Gman is correct. Most of the voter fraud is in the large metropolitan cities. I mostly do not worry about the rural areas because there are enough honest people to keep things on the level. So who runs most of the large metropolitan political machines?

      I find it hard to believe that 1 or 2 days a year at most, you cannot find the time to go to a polling station and vote. In most cases it takes less then 1 hour, typically for me it is under 15 minutes. Have we become that lazy? You don’t have to hitch up a horse and drive 5 miles to town like my grandparents did.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        T-Ray – it has ZERO to do with being lazy. Why in the world do you care how I or my fellow citizens legally vote? This is nonsense. If I am voting in a secure legal manner – why do you give a rats ass about this? I am thrilled to death if we can increase voter participation in a legal secure manner – and I don’t care if you’re voting red or blue.

        • Mathius says:

          Trump: “The things they had in there were crazy. They had things — levels of voting that, if you ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again.”

          Thus why the conservative narrative is so dead-set against mail voting. Look no further than the horse’ own mouth.

        • Just A Citizen says:


          You keep using the term “legal voting”. Legal is meaningless. The law says you can do X. Others can manipulate X to their advantage because it is NOT secure or fool proof.

          So in summary, I care about how elections are run and how voter roles are maintained. As these are the first step in the voting process. Both of these have been abused to the point that fraud is discovered whenever anyone actually looks. I do not care whether you vote in a legal manner. I care about the “legal” manner not resulting in stolen elections.

          Again, you keep confusing apples, oranges and banannas.

  31. Minneapolis protestors are looting, burning down business’s and yelling the white people should be shot. I get their anger after watching the video, but the reaction is BS.

    • Oh, I forgot. This is all Trump’s fault, because well, Orange Man Bad 😛

      • Trump called for a DOJ investigation. Personally, I think this is a local matter and the Feds should stay out of it. But no doubt, he will be blamed since he is such a blatant “racist”.

        • Mathius says:

          It looks – to me, at a cursory glance – that the right steps are being taken at the local level. Feds stepping in is overkill.

          But I don’t really have an issue with it, per se. The FBI can take a look and make a determination if it’s appropriate for them to act, and I don’t really have a problem with the President saying “hey, that’s a thing you should look at”.. .within reason, of course. So this is fine. Really, not that far afield from the infamous “beer summit” that was so derided in these parts.


          Let’s not kid ourselves in any way here, however. Trump doesn’t give a single solitary shit about this issue (nor would any other President in his place) – he’s just using this as an opportunity to show highly visible support for African Americans in order to undercut the Democrat’s lock on that voting demographic ahead of the election.

          If he can peel off even 10% more of the Black Vote, it would be devastating to the Democrats who have – absolutely – neglected black voters as a “captured demographic” for a very long time.

          Trump’s argument “what do you have to lose” is pretty weak, but if he can couple it with “see, I’m on your side!” then… well… the Blue Team strategists are probably peeing in their pants right about now.

          • Trump doesn’t give a single solitary shit about this issue

            You could work for CNN with your bullshit.

            • Mathius says:

              Of course he doesn’t.

              I doubt he cares about anyone whose last name isn’t Trump.. maybe Kushner, too.. maybe. Maybe not even them.

              I did make a point of adding that “nor would any other President in his place” because, and I can’t stress this enough… everyone who thinks they should be president is a narcissistic asshole and almost certainly a sociopath.

              None of them – NONE OF THEM – care about you or me or anything else. They care about themselves, their power, their legacies. Everything else is an afterthought.. a means to an end. All of their positions are phoney and selected based on their utility rather than any kind of moral or logical heuristic. Not just Trump.

              The reason he “cares” about his issue is that it might be politically advantageous. That’s the same reason any other President would “care” if they were in his place. Clinton wouldn’t have given a shit either, but she certainly would have tried to use it to her advantage as well.

              • You are certainly cynical and also a mind reader.

              • Mathius says:

                You are certainly cynical


                You are certainly cynical

                Are you really going to sit there and argue that politicians really care about us?

                and also a mind reader.

                I knew you were going to say that! 😛

              • Are you really going to sit there and argue that politicians really care about us?

                Nope. But then Trump isn’t your average politician. And you know that.

                But let’s just say that he doesn’t care about anyone but himself. He works every day toward his goal of MAGA. That IS the GOAL. That means prosperity for everyone. I’d like to know who…..including the Pope and Mother Theresa…doesn’t work toward a legacy to be proud of.

              • When backed into a corner, you always say that all politicians do it. They are all:

                Trump, prior to running, committed many acts of personal kindness but he is uncaring. He was given awards for aiding minorities but he is a racist. He hired women and put them in important positions but he is a misogynist. He is a white supremacist despite condemning them multiple times. There is never any end to the BS pushed by the left.

                Wake up Mathius, you are better than this.

              • Well, shit…..right when I was gonna rake your ass across the barbed wire, cholla cactus, and stake you to an ant hill…you go and say this…

                None of them – NONE OF THEM – care about you or me or anything else. They care about themselves, their power, their legacies. Everything else is an afterthought.. a means to an end. All of their positions are phoney and selected based on their utility rather than any kind of moral or logical heuristic. Not just Trump.

                A reprieve from the Apache torture. You are correct…you HAVE to be all of the above to want to be a POTUS and you have to be an ingenious liar.

    • I don’t like what you did so I am going to burn down my own house. Good solution.

    • Mathius says:

      I get being pissed off and wanting to do something.

      I get “acting out”.. I get protesting, even… but rioting….?

      And that one guy in LA who blocked the freeway and sat on a police car as it tried (very gently) to get out of a knot of rioters… and then took a spill on his face… well, “you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.”

      Trap a police car in an illegal mob and try to prevent them from getting away (when they should actually be arresting you instead)? Frankly, the guy’s lucky he wasn’t shot. I’d probably haved argue it would have been a bit overly-aggressive since the cops were still relatively safe in the vehicle, but I could absolutely see the argument that the cops feared for their lives and needed to shoot some people in the process.

      Still, he’ll probably sue the city for millions and win. ::shrug::

      At least his face will hurt for a while. Maybe he’ll spend some time eating through a straw, too. Asshole.

      Even with all that said, while I haven’t dug too too too deeply into this story, it looks like the right responses are being taken.. the cops were fired, there’s an open investigation.. even the President is weighing in calling for an investigation. What more do the rioters want (other than someone to hop in the Way Back Machine to make it never happen in the first place)? What? Should we have strung the cops up the minute the video went public? What does rioting (and looting) accomplish other than undermining your own moral standing?

      Have you ever dealt with someone with an out-of-control temper who was completely right, but being such an aggressive asshole about it that they lose their case anyway?

  32. While I’m opposed fundamentally to regulating Facebook, Twitter, et al, if they want to act like the DNC then they will have brought this on themselves. Twitter, Facebook, You tube and others have acted against those who oppose the Liberal agenda and it’s well documented and been going on for quite some time. Many could arguably claim that they are a public service (I don’t make this claim). Not sure what an EO could do, if anything, but it’s coming, along with the court cases that will follow. Twitter is turning in to Obamas alphabet agencies.

  33. Mathius says:


    Mathius: Are you really going to sit there and argue that politicians really care about us?

    Anita: Nope. But then Trump isn’t your average politician. And you know that.

    Absolutely true.

    But that doesn’t make him a saint either.

    I’d argue that everyone in the elite realms of high finance or Big Business are just as bad as Big League politicians.

    With hardly any exceptions anywhere ever, the people who seek out and acquire this kind of power, wealth, and position are sociopathic narcissists.

    An exception, maybe, is Bill Gates. The guy has given away tens of billions of dollars to REAL honest-to-goodness charitable causes. He has saved and/or improved hundreds of thousands of lives. But, by god, was he a ruthless businessman on the way up. It seems he grew his conscience much later in life, once he realized that he’d already “won” the game of capitalism and then seemingly asked him “now what?”

    But let’s just say that he doesn’t care about anyone but himself.

    OK, let’s say that.

    He works every day toward his goal of MAGA. That IS the GOAL.

    That is his STATED goal.

    I am arguing that it is not his ACTUAL goal.

    I am arguing that his actual goal is self-aggrandizement, power, prestige, wealth, whatever.. self-benefit. That MAGA is simply a means to get what he wants.

    I am arguing – and I will die on this hill – that Trump would flip in a heartbeat to outflank Bernie Sanders on the left if he thought it would cement his legacy as one of the greatest Presidents of all time.

    I don’t think that he actually gives a single solitary flying fuck (pardon the language) about any of his stated policy positions except, maybe, in the moments when he’s worked up after watching Fox and Friends. I think he believes that his path to power if by being the way he is, by advocating the things he advocates. That’s how he’s garnered a cult-like following and won an election and how he hopes to win another. I think his STATED goal of “maga” is just how he can get people to give him the power and adulation that he craves.

    And, again, to be crystal clear, I think the absolute same of Hillary or Biden or Warren or or or or. Maybe Sanders was a True Believer… but no one backstage was letting him anywhere near the big chair.

    I think if Clinton thought she’d win by pivoting far-right and outflanking Santorum on pro-life, she’d have done it and not lost a moment of sleep.

    That means prosperity for everyone.

    It doesn’t seem to be working out for the poors.

    Billionaires, however.. well they seem to be doing fine.

    Bezos is well on his way to being the worlds’ first trillionaire.

    I’d like to know who…..including the Pope and Mother Theresa…doesn’t work toward a legacy to be proud of.

    I don’t think that’s the question. Everyone wants to be remembered fondly.

    The point is that, say, Mother Theresa wanted to do good things.. because she wanted to do good things.. and history remembers her fondly for that.

    Politicians want to do good things things.. because doing those things will give them power or make people paise him or whatever.

    It’s backward, you see?

    If a politician winds up doing something good, that’s great. If Trump winds up giving prosperity to all, that’s WONDERFUL! HALLELUJAH! But it won’t be because he cared or felt strongly that it was right. It will be because giving that prosperity to everyone was the path to his own re-election or to his cementing his legacy or getting his face added to Mt. Rushmore.

    And because the GOAL is self-interest, the MEANS is completely unmoored. Any good they do is great, I’m happy to have it, but it’s NOT because they care about us. It’s because, conveniently, our interests happen to align on that topic.

  34. Mathius says:


    Trump, prior to running, committed many acts of personal kindness but he is uncaring.

    That’s true.

    It’s a shocking fact, but completely true.

    Amazingly, not even Trump just sat around his whole life being evil.

    I’d argue that any act of personal kindness that we know about, we know about BECAUSE it was publicized. And the reason it was publicized is because he wanted us to know about it. And he wanted us to know about it because that benefited his reputation or his image or or or or or.

    That’s not to say that he doesn’t leave big tips or drop a c-note in the collection tray.. I’d have no idea about that.

    But I’m not going to pretend this makes him a good person or that it balances out all the KNOWN terrible things he’s done over the years.

    He was given awards for aiding minorities but he is a racist.

    I don’t think he’s a racist.

    I actually get the impression that he’s, probably, one of the least racist people out there.

    Not just least racist politicians, but least racist PEOPLE out there.

    He, I suspect, legitimately honestly, does not see race.

    I think, to him, all people are either (A) himself (B) his close friends and allies (C) useful or supporters or (D) enemies.

    I don’t think that race factors into this beyond questions of how to move members of any given race from D to C.

    And if he attacks Mexicans or the Chinese or or or, it’s not because he actually thinks that Mexicans are rapists with calves the size of cantelopes, but that he just does not care about them at all (pro OR con) and knows that he can bolster his support amongst a certain type of person by attacking them.

    It’s almost the purest form of nihilism.

    I think the left likes to attack him for “racism” because it’s an easy and cheap attack. It’s visceral and hard to defend against. Frankly, it’s lazy.

    He hired women and put them in important positions but he is a misogynist.

    He definitley has a habbit of, shall we say… objectifying women.

    But as with racism, I don’t think he cares who your gender is. I think he cares if you’re on his team or if you’re his enemy and how he can move you from the later to the former.

    But, even within that, I suspect that he is very much a product of an entitled mindset several decades out of date where cheating is fine and groping women is fine because you can get away with it if you’re rich… but I don’t think any of that makes him a “mysogynist” per se.. I think it just makes him a jerk and a fossil.

    He is a white supremacist despite condemning them multiple times.

    Yea… again, same thing here…

    I suspect he doesn’t care.

    Like, at all.

    But he is very happy to dog-whistle at them.

    Just the other day, at a Ford Plant he said “The company founded by a man named Henry Ford — good bloodlines, good bloodlines, if you believe in that stuff. You got good blood.”

    That’s an.. interesting choice of words… something very interesting, given that Ford was such a rabid anti-semite, a personal hero of Hitler, and awarded the highest Nazi medal for foreigners. I’m sure that’s a coincidence, right? Either he’s so oblivious that he had no idea that people might take some umbrage about that kind of thing, or he felt that the white supremacists would hear what he wanted them to while he could deny it.

    Why would anyone talking about Ford start babbling about praising good bloodlines – an obviously extremely loaded and completely irrelevant topic? Why even bring that up? How did that possibly percolate into his brain and out of his mouth?

    There are only two options here: he’s too stupid to know what he’s saying or he’s dog-whistling.

    Again, I don’t think he actually IS racist. To be racist, I think you have to CARE about people’s races, and I don’t see any evidence that he actually does.

    All I see is that he’s very deliberately happy to give the racists the impression that he’s actually on their side. The dual benefits are that he gets to play the victim when the left calls him out (“who? me??”) and that the racists will vote for him.

    But, no. I don’t see any evidence that he is actually a white supremacist.

    WITH THAT SAID, as before, I think there are times when he’s clearly dog-whistling and times when the left is just punching at shadows. I think the left likes to attack him for his “white supremacy” just the same way they like to attack him for his “misogyny” and his “racism” – that is to say, they’re easy charges to make, emotionally loaded, visceral, and hard to refute. They’re cheap, lazy attacks and, due to overuse, decreasingly effective.

    There is never any end to the BS pushed by the left.


    No end.

    There is never any end to the BS pushed by the left.

    To be fair, there’s never any end to the BS pushed by the right either… just sayin’….

    Wake up Mathius, you are better than this.


    • Mathius says:

      To be much, much more succinct:

      I don’t think Trump is racist or misogynist or a white supremacist. I think the below encapsulates how he and other politicians view such things:

      You can’t be racist if you hold EVERYONE to be equally worthless.

    • Trump has talked about good bloodlines beforet referring to the longevity of his father and his own health. H. Ford lived to be 83. Why do you ASSUME that his comment was a dog whistle and just not about his living to an old age?

      So if you do not believe that DJT is an ?ism and ?ist, then why do you continue to believe the MSM where this is pushed daily? After 4 years of these lies, you should be writing them off. Also as more information comes out, you should be taking Obama (and with him Biden) off his pedestal. While Obama may never be indicted, he is responsible for the massive corruption in his administration. You should be demanding of your D friends that this be exposed and cleaned. Heads should roll. But you keep taking the view that everyone does it, nothing to see here, move along.

      When Trump made the claim he was spied on, you argued there was no evidence. Well now there is. So who was lying and who swallowed those lies? There was never any evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians but we wasted $37M and 2 years searching for it when it was known up front it was all a lie. You should be livid about this as we are.

      WRT Trumps political positions, many of them he stated 30 years ago. That is a long time for the weather vane to be pointed in one direction. As for HRC flipping if it benefits her, she was an Alinsky radical from college days. That weather vane is rusted into position.

      • Mathius says:

        H. Ford lived to be 83. Why do you ASSUME that his comment was a dog whistle and just not about his living to an old age?

        Because Ford was a rabid anti-semite, an advocate of eugenics, a recipient of the NAZI Grand Cross of the German Eagle… and Trump was speaking…. at a Ford plant.

        Now, look, I gave you the benefit of the doubt option.. that he didn’t mean anything by it.

        But then, that’s pretty damned clueless.

        So either he’s a moron or he meant it.

        Take your pick.

        If I go to Aushwitz and give a lecture on how work makes people free… you know, maybe I’m a moron and just staggeringly tone deaf… or maybe I know exactly what I’m saying and what a certain type or person is going to hear and that’s what I want. But it really does have to be one of those two options.

        Either he knew or didn’t know that talking about “good bloodlines” at a Ford plant was going to have some implications. So which one?

        • Most Americans do not know or think about Ford’s comments on Hitler or his position on the Jews. For that matter, Hitler, Mussolini, and FDR were a mutual admiration society. It was not until Hitler invaded Poland that FDR changed his mind. Besides, bloodlines have nothing to do with political opinions. So once again, you read into Trump’s what you want to hear.

      • Mathius says:

        So if you do not believe that DJT is an ?ism and ?ist, then why do you continue to believe the MSM where this is pushed daily?

        Well, for starters, I DON’T believe them… you can tell that because I just said that I don’t believe that….

        THAT SAID, they have papers to sell. I have long argued that the papers are just out for eyeballs – they do not care one iota what they have to put on the page in order to make you click the link or buy the paper. Just so long as you DO click the link and buy the paper.

        Honesty? They don’t give a shit.

        (if you’re sensing a theme here, you’re absolutely right).

        The only reason to be intellectually honest as a media outlet is because that’s your value proposition. That is, BECAUSE of your honesty, you’ll sell more papers and being dishonest would hurt you. But no major outlets have gone this route. Maybe, one could argue, the WSJ (excluding anything explicitly flagged as editorial). But even then…. maybe just “mostly.”

        AP, Reuters, and BBC International are probably the most intellectually honest, but they are far from perfect.

        You’ll note that I’ve spent countless hours here on SUFA reading and writing the equivalent of the collective works of Tolstoy for the express reason of getting the opposing viewpoint and NOT existing within an echo chamber.. well, that and that I love a good argument (I’m Jewish.. it’s in the…. bloodlines!)

        I believe that every outlet has a profit motive and that colors not only HOW it covers a story but WHAT stories it chooses to cover and with how much vigor. Left, right, and center, this is a deeply flawed system all the way around.

        Fox, of course, is tantamount to the World News Daily.

      • Mathius says:

        you should be taking Obama (and with him Biden) off his pedestal.

        Holy cow, man! What pedestal do you think I’ve placed them on?

        Go read some of the stuff I’ve written about Biden today.. I’ll wait.. I’ve called him milquetoast, part of the problem, creepy, lecherous, sociopathic, narcissistic, an asshole, and I’ve suggested that he may be slipping intellectually (not even implying that he was ever such a great intellect to begin with). I believe I explicitly referenced him as “Blue Team Garbage.”

        For the avoidance of doubt, I think pretty much the exact same thing of Obama except was clearly very bright and didn’t seem to have any of the creepy touchy lecherousness. Plus he was better able to hide behind his charisma (which Biden seemingly lacks). But otherwise, little difference.

        The best I can hope for out of Biden is (A) he’s not toxic waste like Trump, (B) appointing liberal judges*, and (C) maybe an itty bitty inching of the country in the right direction.

        I’m not voting for a friend. As far as I’m concerned, he’s the lesser of two evils, but still a shit-pile. That’s really not much of a pedestal.


        *As a matter of policy, Mathius prefers conservative judges, especially at the Supreme Court level.. That said, there’s a difference between fanatical Heritage Foundation type judges and just “conservates.” Also, while I prefer a conservative majority on the court, I’m not inclined to find out what an 8-1 type Court looks like. I like to aim for 5-4.

        • Mathius says:

          Speaking about that “pedestal,” here’s what I had to say about Biden (and others) just the other day:

          THAT SAID, my presumption is that any person in the upper echelons of power is a terrible human being, a narcissist, and a sociopath. My presumption is that almost any man of this kind will, at some point, have used this power and position to his personal advantage and, if sexual misconduct interests him, he will have done it at some point. Because they’re all terrible people who think know they can get away with it.

          My PRESUMPTION is that Clinton, Trump, and Biden are all guilty of sexual harassment, sexual assault and/or rape. All three almost certainly deserve to be locked up and sent into general population prison to live out the rest of their miserable lives on a cot.

          JUROR Mathius would demand more evidence before believing this. But CIVILIAN Mathius assumes it to be true by default. The three are just lechers with power. and lechers with power will use that power… lecherously.


        • Just A Citizen says:

          You hate Trump because he is a jerk and not Presidential.

          Yet you will vote for Biden, who is a jerk and can’t spell Presidential, just because you hate Trump.

          And you wonder why the country is SICK.

      • Mathius says:

        While Obama may never be indicted, he is responsible for the massive corruption in his administration. You should be demanding of your D friends that this be exposed and cleaned. Heads should roll. But you keep taking the view that everyone does it, nothing to see here, move along.

        I do? Boy, I’d sure love to see where I said that. Can you point me at a link?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          You do seem to discount any of the claims made against the Obama administration. Including dismissing the claims that the intell. community set up Flynn. Evidence provided here two or three years ago was dismissed by you and again each time it was discussed. Then there is the issue of the Biden’s in Ukraine. Another nothing burger according to you.

          So Mr. Mathius, your hands are not clean.

  35. KENTON, WA—A gunman was released from police custody on Thursday after it was determined by experts that the people he had shot were victims of COVID-19 and not his psychotic bloodlust-induced blind-firing rage-spree death-binge through downtown Kenton last week with three AR-15’s, seventeen uzis, and one bazooka and zero clothes on. “Our apologies,” said officers as they unlocked the man’s cuffs and let him walk free, snickering and shaking like a lunatic with drool hanging from his chin.

    Specialists from Washington’s capitol quickly determined that the victims were clearly COVID-19 casualties. The local coroner attempted to push back citing the literal pegboard pattern of bullet holes littered about the scene and the bodies of the victims. He was promptly fired. “COVID-19 strikes again. Chalk it up,” said COVID response agent Jonathan Smith.

    The shooter’s identity has been protected since he committed no crime. “If you shoot a bunch of people and it has no effect on them, that’s not a crime. The effect is the crime if you think about it,” explained Governor Inslee. “What we have here is a matter of a guy shooting people who had died a split second before his bullet hit them of a completely different thing. If this man is guilty of anything, it’s incredibly bad timing.”

    Inslee was asked what he would do if the shooter went back on the streets and began firing on citizens again—which he did immediately. “To jump to conclusions about these things is reckless. You can’t immediately link a bunch of bullets to death,” said Inslee. “Especially in a time like this when almost all death is COVID related. This is science denial and if you deny science on my watch, you will face harsh repercussions.”

    The briefing was cut short after a hail of bullets could be heard nearby and officers began shouting, “COVID! GET DOWN! IT’S THE VIRUS!”

    Yes, this is satire. But, since Washington State is actually saying that shooting are Covid caused, one must wonder when the first killer gets off cuz the Death certificate says Covid-19.

  36. Canine Weapon says:

    In these trying times, let’s find some less contentious items. Here’s Ms. Idaho 1935:

  37. Canine Weapon says:

  38. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    On my eighth Theodore Roosevelt biography, (this is what happens if you are on the spectrum). Don’t ever ask my eldest the successful lawyer, Public Health Official, Army Officer, Homeland Security and VA congressional go-to guy about NYC transit. He has the curse too, it is in the blood.

    Almost all the personal invective thrown at Trump, especially what Matt regales in was thrown at TR. “No, his “square deal” was not really for the people but done to build his “ego”” is repeated over and over by the press of the time, by his enemies and by many friends who he felt “betrayed” him on an issue or ten. The current book, some 350 pages on his term as President of the Police Commission in New York City is perhaps the best yet because all the warts do shine through. He is quoted multiple times when being accused of “never being wrong” of actually admitting it. When told his way might just not be the “best” way, he states clearly, “Yes it is”. No doubt, no humility ….. ever. If ever there was a proponent of David Crockett’s “be sure you are right…then go ahead”, it was him.

    Somehow this egotist winds up to be # 4 in the all time hit parade of presidents behind his cousin and right in front of the fast riser, Dwight Eisenhower. So, the question is for one much older yet far less jaded than Matt, can one not act selfishly but for the right reason? Or, perhaps can one not see the destiny of others, the American people or the Nation as a whole as tied up in one’s own viewpoint? Mr Trump’s proposals if carried out will in no small way benefit the nation. I defy anyone to tell me how they would be a detriment. Mr Trump, like Mr. Roosevelt sees the nation at a turning point where circumstances demand a change in governance. The rise of the “democratic socialists” is every bit the challenge for the nation as was the rise of the Anarchists and Bolsheviks 120 years ago. It stands the same chance for success these days if its opponents to not adapt, improvise and ultimately overcome. TR in NYC was particularly hard on the Goo-Goo’s the “good government” folks who would rather lose on principal than compromise. He saw something then that I have worried about since the McGovern campaign, if you LOSE to these people there is NO way back.

    An interesting quote about Theodore from a birthday message sent him by Elihu Root, friend and cabinet member., “I congratulate you on attaining the respectable age of 46. You have made a good start in life and your friends have great hopes for you when you grow up.” I am one of those people who agree with TR’s wife, he was always a child until he died at 60. There could never be any question about how he devoured all life had to offer. The current occupant of 1600, not terribly different. Those who loved Theodore loved him with a passion that others could not understand. Perhaps it was not just him being the cheerleader for America but delivering on it for its people. It got him in fourth place though I fear that FDR’s third would have rankled him badly. Did he do it only for himself? ,

    • Good summary. I have always liked TR because he was feisty and unconventional. But then Mathius would say he was just another narcissistic, power hungry, lying politician.

    • While FDR did a good job leading us through the war, prior to that his performance was subpar. His actions actually extended the Depression. In chronological order and excluding Trump (unfinished term(s)), I would rank: Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, TR, and Reagan above FDR. Buchanan, Wilson, Carter, and Obama rank near the bottom. Ike would be in the top 15 because he threaded us through the early Cold War era without a major war. JFK could have been great if he had cleaned out the CIA but his term was cut short. Johnson was disaster. W. H. Harrison never got a chance. Most of the rest were just office holders.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Had it just been his presidency you would probably be right but he gets the war lumped in. So, because he created a coalition that won and did not screw up as badly as it could have, he gets a high rating. I’ve set back many a time trying to imagine how they “managed” that war and I’ll be damned if I can figure it out! Comes down to FDR making some fantastic personnel choices.

        Interesting to play the game, what could have they done differently? My bitches were the island hopping. Did a few (Tarawa) that probably could have been bypassed. Then in the Med, the whole Italy thing was mismanaged especially achieving surprise at Anzio and then blowing it by sitting on teh beach too long.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Which Johnson are you referring to? Maybe both? LOL. Just a simple comment here – I’m fascinated by the eagerness of some here to elevate Trump to greatest of the greats when his first term isn’t even over yet. I thought (maybe wrongly?) that some grass needs to grow for a bit before we look at a particular President and their accomplishments (or lack thereof) and attribute some type of reasonable ranking of greatness – if for no other reason it can takes years for some decisions to net their true or lasting effect economically. When I reflect on Trump….

        Accomplishments? (1) Well – he’ll get credit for stocking the Courts with Judges favorable to Conservatives. Arguable that there is a little to suggest he’s been active in this versus handing the reigns to McConnell – but – good leadership can be shown by delegating. (2) De-regulation – I often hear this as an accomplishment – but have seriously struggled to find any real specificity behind. It’d be helpful if there were a true enumeration with some precision over the what so there can be reasoned discussion about short and long term impact. What are some specific examples of what he has de-regulated and what were both the short term results and expected longer term effects? (3) Other?

        Failures? (1) National Debt? Every graph I pull shows a steady upward spike since Trump took office. Total agreement that it takes the Congress to dance here also – but pretty sure POTUS gets to wear this hair shirt, no? Can we withstand four more years of this? (2) Policy failure – healthcare – I seem to recall this was a topic we were to judge his success on – the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. If that is still true – hard to conceive a passing grade here. (3) Pandemic Leadership – tough to conceive Trump ever removing this scarlet letter. Even as our Country continues to deal with this – its necessarily harsh to compare his leadership from day zero to today against his contemporaries globally. He fails in colossal ways me thinks. Inconceivable to elevate him to exalted status given what we know. (4) Impeachment. He’s one of the three. My opinion – under the guise under which all three were impeached (Johnson, Clinton, Trump) – scores of others perhaps should have been as well. Its a stain on his record (somewhat deserved) that he earned. What other failures are notable?

        Happy Friday!

        • I’m fascinated by the eagerness of some here to elevate Trump to greatest of the greats ……

          Easy answer(s):

          1: Drive Mathius crazy
          2: Obama for 8 years.

        • Lyndon, not Andrew although Andrew was no great shakes either.

          As stated, I left Trump out because he still has time to either do better or do much worse. Recall Guv. Arnold here in CA. The first 2 years were OK but then he lost a big bid to change things at the ballot box because the unions aligned against him. After that he gave up and was no better than Grey Davis.

          Yes the debt is out of control. This comes with baseline budgeting (automatic budget increases) and continuing resolutions. Trump needs to refuse to sign any more continuing resolutions and go back to regular order which is separate budget bills for each department. We need to reduce the growth of government to below the inflation rate. Growth will then make up the difference and decrease the deficit to zero and eventually start reducing the debt.

          As for healthcare, Obamacare should be repealed and after that the Feds should just stay out of it. But they won’t.

          WRT Trump’s impeachment, it was purely political without any significant substance. Clinton’s impeachment was also political but while there were crimes committed, in my opinion, they did not reach the high crimes required for impeachment. History is written by the victors so the former will be remembered and the latter forgotten. If Nixon had not resigned, he would have and should have been impeached and convicted.

        • Hi Ray…..good to see you, my friend……

          I thought (maybe wrongly?) that some grass needs to grow for a bit before we look at a particular President and their accomplishments (or lack thereof) and attribute some type of reasonable ranking of greatness – There is quite a bit of truth here.

          What are some specific examples of what he has de-regulated and what were both the short term results and expected longer term effects? Well sir, allow me name a couple since I have personal knowledge of them…..My family has a ranch in Mexico. On this ranch we grow asparagus and peppers and alfalfa. When Obama took office, he prohibited sales to the United States except to those who contributed heavily to his campaign. We could not sell our produce to the US but the big boys could. Trump deregulated that. We also have a small independent oil concern. We were prohibited from selling our oil anywhere else but the United States at fixed prices. Now we can sell wherever we want at competitive prices. We were forced to sell our natural gas to the US only at fixed prices. Now we can sell to whoever we want at negotiated prices.

          (1) National Debt? Every graph I pull shows a steady upward spike since Trump took office. Total agreement that it takes the Congress to dance here also – but pretty sure POTUS gets to wear this hair shirt, no? Can we withstand four more years of this? Every graph that I pull up shows spikes no matter who is the POTUS…Can we stand four more years? Of course, we will…..we will continue to borrow money from China simply because no one gives a tinker’s damn.

          (2) Policy failure – healthcare – I seem to recall this was a topic we were to judge his success on – the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. If that is still true – hard to conceive a passing grade here. Abject failure. As a military person who was on Tri Care for life, Obama took it away and forced me on medicare for his ego and legacy. Trump has not replaced it and has not discontinued it. And McCain fell out of favor with me over this. I am disappointed.
          (3) Pandemic Leadership – tough to conceive Trump ever removing this scarlet letter. Even as our Country continues to deal with this – its necessarily harsh to compare his leadership from day zero to today against his contemporaries globally. He fails in colossal ways me thinks. Inconceivable to elevate him to exalted status given what we know. Have to disagree here. We do not need to follow the world. There is no reason for us to follow anyone. I did not fault Obama on his pandemic and I do not fault Trump on this one. The Federal Government should not have been involved any way and certainly not now. There was no amount of leadership at the Federal level that could have worked but there was plenty of leadership at various state levels that should have worked….and now…everyone wants a bail out of pension funds. Bull shit. Even the MLB wants a bailout. NO NO NO.

          (4) Impeachment. He’s one of the three. My opinion – under the guise under which all three were impeached (Johnson, Clinton, Trump) – scores of others perhaps should have been as well. Its a stain on his record (somewhat deserved) that he earned. What other failures are notable? It will be a mere mosquito blot. Nothing more.

          Again, good to see you, friend.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Stephen – which TR books are you reading / have read? I have the Edmund Morris trilogy teed up after I finish Grant. Also have a Douglas Brinkley bio “The Wilderness Warrior”. Curious what others may recommend. Thanks!

  39. Calling the Colonel. Where are you and are you OK?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Counter…..Trump has used ballot harvesting (just sayin’). Tucker uses his typical boogeyman scare tactics….”would”…..”could”. Throw the baby out with the bath water. I just voted by mail yesterday. Loved every second of it. Oh – while I was out dropping the ballots off I made three other stops to patronize small businesses in my area. Something I could not do on 6/2 while waiting in line for 45+ minutes to cast in person.

      • I have voted since 1968 in IL, MD, MA, NJ and CA. Never have I waited 45 min. The voting process needs to be non-onerous on the individual but also absolutely secure. From what I am reading, it is not secure and becomes less secure with mail-in ballots that are automatically sent to voters. The voting rolls appear to be horribly out of date. In CA anyone can get DL and with it get registered to vote. It is automatic (a negative response is required). I have never heard how they keep illegal immigrants and green card holders from being registered nor have I ever heard of a survey comparing illegal immigrant DL’s to the voter rolls. I have listened to our SoS being interviewed but he was not asked any pointed questions on the topic. The response is always, “That can’t happen.” But it does happen. A Canadian immigrant got a DL and was registered. After objecting to this, a “bug” in the software was found and eventually 1500 improper registrations in that rural county were identified. I never heard if other counties also had the problem since the SoS’s office and the media use the ostrich method of investigation.

        The number of honest people significantly out number the dishonest, but it only takes one rotten apple to spoil the barrel. This should not be a partisan debate.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Calling BS on that claim. Giving up 45 minutes is no reason to not go to other places. You probably took almost that long to “drop off your ballot”.

        Now for the real question. Who the hell has to stand in line for 45 minutes to vote? Never had that problem in a Red State. Only time it came close for me was when voting in Blue run cities and thus precincts.

  40. U.S.—A new study has found that executive abuses of power are only a big deal when the other political party is in power.

    The research also confirmed that you should only be worried about the rapidly increasing power of the executive branch when your political foes control the White House.

    “When your own political party is in power, you can rest easy: the consolidation of power in the executive branch probably won’t enable the next guy to do terrible things,” said the head of the study, Dr. Bart Cardigan. “Don’t worry too much about it. The next person who gets in power will definitely give all that power back as his first, well, executive order. It’s an unwritten code among presidents: they immediately roll back their power when they sit down in the Oval Office chair. They’re gentlemen, after all.”

    The study came as a big relief to many Americans, who were starting to grow concerned that both political parties were just expanding the powers and scope of the executive office for their own political gain without concern for how their enemies could abuse that power in the future.

    “It’s good to know we only have to worry about the president acting like a dictator about half the time,” said local man Gary Christoph. “I just don’t have the energy to police my own guy as well as the other guy.”

  41. Mathius says:

    Missed this.. it’s been a busy few months for news.. but.. damn…


    In honor of the late great John Conway, let us all take a few minutes to play one of his absurd math games: https://www.cleverlearning.co.uk/blogs/blogConwayInteractive.php

  42. Ray Hawkins says:

    “when the looting starts the shooting starts”. That’s leadership folks. That is how you heal and unify. Cover your ears Canine Weapon – dog whistles everywhere.

    • Yes, actually it is. It’s called Truth, people are and have gotten killed.. So what should he have said, don’t worry about it, nobody is gonna get hurt. We should just stand down and let the stealing and burning run its course. That’s pretty much what has happened so far. The little bit of push back that has occurred has been condemned by the leftist media.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Encouraging shooting people for property crimes? Seriously? There are far more effective ways to lead and communicate. He’s escalating the situation – not diffusing it.

        • BS, they are encouraged, by people doing nothing to stop them. He is stating the obvious. When I heard the statment, all I thought was, “no shit, Sherlock”. You wanna talk about how unimportant property is, watch this. This is who, I feel needs to be protected.


        • Encouraging shooting people for property crimes? Seriously? ABSOLUTELY…Not a Texan, I see. Property crimes down here are serious….you can get shot for stealing trash at the curb. Mind your own business and do not steal anything. There is only one way to stop wanton theft……eliminate the thief……and, may I ask seriously, what IS the problem with this.

          Now, as to a POTUS saying this…….I think it was over the top…truthful but a POTUS should not say this. Leave it up to the States….we know how to deal with this. The governor called out the guard and they are armed. Simple solution to rioting…..martial law in that particular area. These are not starving people trying to feed a family…these are common criminals.

          Trespass here……will get you shot.

    • Yes, because it’s easier to let them burn the neighborhood down in order to heal and unify.

      I’ve been watching and listening to all the BS surrounding this. Looters should be shot on sight. Arsonists should be shot on sight. Vandals should be shot on sight. Peaceful protestors should be joined and celebrated. Black lives matter, black neighborhoods…not so much apparently.

      Screaming racism at this point (which the Liberal media and Democrats are doing loudly) isn’t exactly healing and unifying. These issues are happening in heavy Democrat areas. There shouldn’t be any racism in these areas because only Conservatives are racist (so we have been told time and again).

      Watched the Minnesota governor today. Weakest POS of a governor I’ve heard in a long time. The Mayor of Minneapolis is another lame excuse for a leader.

      Now for the really big prediction. The cop(s) in question will not get convicted, if they are even tried. Charges are coming, if for know reason then to calm things down (See Baltimore).

      On another note, I did predict civil violence if this lockdown went on too long. It’s not over yet.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        “Looters should be shot on sight. Arsonists should be shot on sight. Vandals should be shot on sight.” – escalate much? Leading from the barrel of a gun. Deeper and deeper divisions – yet he’s celebrated as one of our greatest Presidents? Yikes.

        • I’m betting that Trump’s comments were taken out of context, which is quite normal for those on the Left.

          But yes, when you have a big problem it takes a big solution. This stuff will happen again and again because they are getting away with it with little or no repercussions. You solve this by making sure they never want to take the chance again. When looters know that they could die looting, they will think twice.

          • Not really out of context.. This clarification from Trump is exactly how I took the original tweet. Some just hear/read things and come to different conclusions. A side effect of TDS. Or as JAC puts it…they don’t get Trump speak.

            “Looting leads to shooting, and that’s why a man was shot and killed in Minneapolis on Wednesday night – or look at what just happened in Louisville with 7 people shot. I don’t want this to happen, and that’s what the expression put out last night means. It was spoken as a fact, not as a statement. It’s very simple, nobody should have any problem with this other than the haters, and those looking to cause trouble on social media. Honor the memory of George Floyd!”

      • Shot on Sight, a line too far. But this was a great point, any body want to justify these actions.

        “Screaming racism at this point (which the Liberal media and Democrats are doing loudly) isn’t exactly healing and unifying. ” Especially when it seems that the vast majority of people seem to believe the cop should be arrested and charged.

    • Canine Weapon says:

      Silly Ray! SUFA doesn’t believe in dog whistles.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      I actually wonder just who else is old enough here to remember when college campus stopped being taken over by rioting radicals and the burning of campus buildings stopped. …. I remember that as being right after Kent State.

      I have heard ONE story about a “protesters” being shot dead by a storekeeper two days back whjle he was in teh act of looting. The very liberal NY State law allows the use of deadly force to, among other things, prevent arson.

      You do not “lead” or “communicate” during a riot. Leading is ending that riot by any means necessary. I did NOT say protest, I said RIOT. For thirty years I drove past a burned out A & P store in Brownsville Brooklyn that got torched in a riot in the late 1960’s. The A 7 P never came back whuich ruined teh community. The Mom and Pops on the same street and around teh block never came back either.

      Here is an analogy that will drive you nuts…. Was it better to have killed 200,000 people with the two A bombs dropped in 1945 or invade with 100,000 American Dead, another 900,000 wounded and an estimated 10,000,000 Japanese dead? There are people,who claim to be sane who still argue with me about that one. Burning down a neighborhood is NOT an approved way to either redress a grievance, gain justice or provide milk at an affordable price for your kiddies after the Stop and Shop is gone.

      Anybody notice that there are as many WHITE rioters as there are Black? ANTIFA raising its ugly head again.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      G-man – I dunno – I see less than 2 seconds of what appears to be an ongoing struggle between the officer and the youth. Not really the same as a subdued handcuffed man on the ground is it? Would be nice to see more before/after video and get more context on the situation. As far now – nope – this one is apples and dumptrucks.

  43. MINNEAPOLIS, MN—Colin Kaepernick arrived at the Minneapolis riots last night, saying he was excited to be a part of the looting and violence.

    Kaepernick tried out for the riots by throwing bricks into windows but missed every time. He was able to rush a Molotov cocktail into a target window and then spike it on the ground, but then he caught fire. Finally, in a last-ditch effort to get selected for one of the riot squads, he filmed a workout video and sent it to various protester organizations but hadn’t heard back as of publishing time.

    “While we appreciate Kaepernick’s enthusiasm, we need someone who can lob a Molotov cocktail accurately,” said a representative for the rioters. “We wish him the best of luck in his future rioting career. We believe Kaepernick will land on his feet with another rioting organization. Maybe Chicago or Louisville will want him.”

    The former quarterback quickly blamed his failed rioting career on racism.

  44. RAY……………seriously………… “Looters should be shot on sight. Arsonists should be shot on sight. Vandals should be shot on sight.” Do you seriously have a problem with this or are you trying to stir the pot…….

  45. https://therightscoop.com/breaking-autopsy-report-says-no-signs-of-traumatic-asphyxia-in-george-floyd-death/

    Also read somewhere, can’t find it, that the guy in the store who called the police, said he looked like he was drunk.

  46. Mathius says:


    • Some observations:
      1) They are wearing no CNN insignia.
      2) I did not see any press badges or IDs
      3) They were being polite and respectful on camera but we do not know their attitude prior to this.
      4) I did not hear any orders from the police to move out of the area but they were the only ones there. Obviously the orders had been issued prior to the taping.
      5) The police presence in the area is too little too late as significant damage has already been done.

      Given CNNs history as a race baiting network, I do not have any sympathy for them. If the police are just harassing them, then the police are in the wrong.

      • I’ll take back the lack of IDs as the report is wearing an ID below his waist.

  47. Just A Citizen says:

    CNN interviewed a bunch of people to explain the “demonstrations”. This was one of many rationalizations, that pretty much sounded the same.

    “”The police officers come into our neighborhoods to brutalize, terrorize, and murder our children, and we have done nothing.””

    Solution is easy peasy…………. pull the hell out of these areas and leave them to their own devices. I am sure that cops are just going there to hunt down people and murder them for the hell of it. So pull the hell out and let it burn to the ground.

    Or maybe, these folks will in fact figure out how to solve their own problems.

    P.S. “Not Presidential”…….. one of the most overused phrases used by political types for the past 20 years. Also an indication of real ignorance about true American History, let alone a reflection of the Dewy/Wilson propaganda that has overtaken our society for going on 100 years now.

  48. Just A Citizen says:

    Ray Hawkins and Mathius

    There is no excuse for NOT KNOWING what de-regulation or regulation efforts have been under taken by the Trump administration.


    I do have one note of caution. Many of the explanations, you find when clicking on the item, are not real objective. Many just repeat claims made by opponents or the NY Times. Which is pretty much the same crowd.

    I do agree that each action should be viewed, or analyzed, objectively in both short and long term affects. But then all regulations are short term as each administration now seems to make it their life work to undo the last person’s work.

  49. Just A Citizen says:

    Nothing that could be considered inflammatory in this comment:

    Obama on the death of George Floyd: ‘This shouldn’t be “normal” in 2020 America’

    Yup, as an ex POTUS you should absolutely perpetuate the myth that this is “normal” in America. Now let the apologists start howling in his defense. Beer Summit my backside. That was then an attempt to cast shade on the officer………. nothing else.

  50. Just A Citizen says:

    Do not fret………….. I am sure it is Trump’s fault and all will get better once he is gone.


    As for those here who thing Mr. Trump “blew it” regarding COVID……… please provide objective evidence of one request made by the “experts” that Mr. Trump ignored or undermined. Please provide objective evidence that the CDC protocols were not implemented per the emergency preparedness plans. In fact, please provide proof these plans were in fact inadequate. Actual evidence, not some Politician howling for more masks and ventilators.

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