Garage Pulls and Political Polls

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  1. U.S.—With more and more statues across the country being pulled down, pigeons are being forced to redirect their payloads to different targets.

    As soon as statues are pulled down, the pigeons turn toward the nearest available target: angry rioters.

    “Yes! Down with racism–AHHHHH!!!!” screamed one rioter just after pulling down a statue of Christopher Columbus. The pigeons immediately turned on him, with a squadron of the birds divebombing him to unload hundreds of pounds worth of excrement. “Run!!!”

    Rioters frantically tried to put the statues back up as they were attacked by the feral flocks. “Put Christopher back! Quick!” cried one Antifa group as thy were swarmed by a whole fleet of pigeon bombers. But try as they might, their weak liberal arms could not lift the statue and they were forced to flee the scene.

  2. People of color who have heightened concerns about racial profiling and harassment due to wearing face coverings in public.

    The above part is under the exceptions section.
    https://www.co.lincoln.or.us/hhs/page/face-covering-directive

  3. Question for Mathius and Ray…………………..in some cities, police are refusing to respond to 911 calls. Kamala Harris says that refusing to go into violent neighborhoods is, in itself, racism.

    Agree/Disagree

    • Kamala Harris is the daughter of a Jamaican and an Indian. She is not an American slave descendant. She is an example of how well black Jamaicans and Asians do in this country as opposed to home grown blacks. She should understand that the culture one is raised with makes a difference. Unfortunately she chose to be a race baiter like Sharpton and company.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      “Kamala Harris says that refusing to go into violent neighborhoods is, in itself, racism.”

      Easy answer – she’s full of shit. Heard by the wrong ears I’ll be accused of racism just for saying that.

      For years police in Philadelphia avoid certain parts of North Philadelphia at night known as “the Badlands” – too violent, police outgunned, etc. Where was the outrage then?

      Just my opinion still – Trump can be as bad as they come, he can continue to flounder. But – the Democrats are not providing a reason to vote for their guy. “Not being Trump” isn’t going to work. Riding the BLM wave – nope. Riding the “everything is a racist” wave – nope. My friends who lean hard left are literally talking more about a Biden VP candidate than Biden himself. They assume he’ll win (bad idea) and assume he’ll die or be rendered incompetent w/in first two years. So – make sure a good VP is primed and ready. And Harris is one of the ones they talk about.

      • Yes, Biden’s VP pick will be critical to his election chances. It is bait and switch time. Unfortunately, he locked himself into a woman of color which limits the field. Never close out your options. Bad tactical mistake. If Harris or Newsom would resign to take the nod, I would offer them up just to get them out of my state. Unfortunately, they will not quit their day job to make the run.

        • Whitmer is on the VP list. Recall petitions start July 1st. One way or another she needs to go.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Whitmer from Michigan? Seriously? I thought even the State Democrats were turning on her?

    • Has Mathius’ name all over it.

    • Whose statue has to come down?

      I think the statue pulling is coming in two flavors… “This guy is a racist and we shouldn’t have monuments to him” and “AGH, I’M SO ANGRY, I HAVE TO DESTROY SOMETHING”

      To the former, I really, honestly, don’t give a shit. To the later, I don’t approve at all of just wanton destruction, but I just have a hard time getting worked up over this. It’s just not a hot button issue for me.

      I guess, I really disliked hearing that a bunch of white kids knocked over an MLK statue… but they didn’t know who he was (HOW??!!?!?!!) So I can’t really internalize that as symbolic of anything to get riled up over other than their shitty educations.

      Maybe if there was a campaign and the government decided MLK was inappropriate to display…? I sure would find that insane..

      Who has to get cancelled

      Whoever.

      As long as it’s not the government canceling shows and canceling careers, etc. I thik society gets to decide what is and is not appropriate.

      I think businesses have a profit motive and “pissing off the people they make money from” is bad for business. I really can’t fault a business for axing someone who is bad for their business because society (or a powerful faction therein) has make their continued association problematic.

      I’m sensing a theme when I look into myself here… where I think I might start having a real problem is if/when the things and people that are getting canceled are objectively “good.” If they cancelled Bob Ross or Mr. Rogers or Mr. Wizard… if they cancelled Mr. Wizard because it was offensive to flat earthers, for example, or Bill Nye because he discussed climate change… I think that’d be hard for me to reconcile. If Mr. Rogers says “I think you are good just the way you are” and some faction gets him thrown off the air because “gay people aren’t good,” then I’d have a problem with that.

      But pushing the other way…….? Hmm…. if Mr. Rogers got thrown off the air because he failed to explicitly clarify that gay people are also good…? Maybe something like that would be a problem? Yes, I think if “wokeness” required that everyone explicitly address every niche issue and give fealty, that would be a problem for me.

      Fired

      I think the answer is in the same vein.

      Fired for being a business risk is no problem.

      Fired because the GOVERNMENT forced you out on some “woke” grounds would be just as bad as HUAC.

      I just wouldn’t want it to get to the point where you have to basically meet a checklist of “approved positions” before you can keep a job.. oh, yes, your qualifications are excellent… now lets just check your social media history to have you sign this affidavit to affirm that you’ve never held any of the following verboten beliefs.

      I think if it became HUAC-esque to have to hold the “woke” position in order to keep your job, that would be a problem. “Sorry Bob, you’ve been a great accountant these last 30 years, and sure, you haven’t done anything publicly or exposed the company to any risk, but we just found out that you told a friend that you don’t think gay people should be able to adopt children, so we’re going to have to fire you.” That would be a well past a breaking point to me.

      ————————-

      I guess the issue, broadly, is one of being “subjugated” to the “woke police” and whether you can hold PRIVATE opinions in opposition to these approved positions.

      I think it becomes a different animal when you are a public figure, or a major donor, or you do something that goes viral.. and now you’re a threat to a business which has to cut you loose or risk alienating their customers.

      But when you have a show that takes place in, say, Idaho, and you have to have a quarter of the cast minorities of race, color, and ethnicity, and you have to go out of your way to bring up issues of racism and discrimination and every other topic just to make a point of showing you’re in favor it… when the show is just supposed to be a sketch comedy about living in Idaho. Otherwise you’ll get canceled for being offensive… Welll….. now we’re entering dystopian territory.

  4. Several months old, but it just came to my attention today, so… here’s this..

    (where else but Texas, of course!)

    • Once again, we only see part of the story. What led up to this confrontation and what was said prior to this. Did they arrest this guy for assaulting a police officer. If so that was wrong. Was he resisting arrest prior to this? Was the officer’s slap a tactic/distraction to enable the arrest to go easily.

      • Once again, we only see part of the story

        Agreed. Sure looks to me like entrapment, though.

        What led up to this confrontation and what was said prior to this

        It sure looks like the white guy said or did something that “set off” the big lead-cop. And then the cop just instigated contact as a pretense. But I agree, I can’t be sure without the full story.

        From what I can dig up, the white guy has a history of “trespassing arrests” which surely could be relevant.

        Was he resisting arrest prior to this?

        Sure doesn’t look like it.

        Maybe, though. Would that change anything?

        Was the officer’s slap a tactic/distraction to enable the arrest to go easily.

        I don’t think they needed a tactic/distraction… there’s a very significant power differential here. The guy is being non-threatening, clearly trying to back out of the confrontation.

        I just can’t envisage how that level of physical aggression was warranted in that scenario even if – IF – the slap were some kind of diversionary tactic. Surely there were better options on the table.

        —————

        Further:
        1) Why did the cops turn off their body cameras?
        2) I see that the cop was charged and indicted for slapping the old guy. No followup on the verdict – I assume he was let off on a plea deal and is now back on duty and maybe got a payout for his own mental anguish.
        3) Why did none of the other cops intervene?

  5. Appeals Court orders Judge to drop Flynn case.

    Hurry up Durham I want some perp walks 😛

  6. This will never get old 😀

  7. The real change here is the passing of the Greatest Generation and the rise of the Millennials.The older generation was patriotic and knew hard times. Not so the younger generation.

    Young people today have been indoctrinated in Marxism by our education system. That’s why it’s hard to have a conversation with them. They are religious in their fervor and care nothing for the Land Of The Free.

    50 years ago anything that has happened this year would have boggled 90% of the country’s mind.

    Now, we’re seeing the Marxist chickens coming home to roost. Young people by definition don’t know much about life, infinitely less so when indoctrinated.

    Interesting.

    • The older generation was patriotic and knew hard times. Not so the younger generation.

      Half of the Boomer generation can’t even be bothered to wear a piece of cloth on their faces so that they don’t infect and kill other people.

      Young people today have been indoctrinated in Marxism by our education system.

      And WHOOOOOO was running the schools?

      “Young people today” didn’t arrange for their own educations. If there was a failure of the education system, then it was a failure of the generations before them to set up those educations systems.

      They are religious in their fervor and care nothing for the Land Of The Free.

      Oh, bullshit.

      50 years ago anything that has happened this year would have boggled 90% of the country’s mind.

      Probably true, but try to explain the President “tweeting” from the bathroom to someone 50 years ago…..

      • And WHOOOOOO was running the schools?

        Goddamn Liberals, thats who.

      • “Young people today” didn’t arrange for their own educations. If there was a failure of the education system, then it was a failure of the generations before them to set up those educations systems. Yes sir…it was the generation of the 60s and 70s that did this. I agree.

        • So what I’m looking for is the following sentence: “I’m sorry that those of my generation failed your generation in this way.”

          • Just A Citizen says:

            So you want me to apologize for the control of the system by those I opposed, like forever, and who you and the Democratic party supported. OVER MY OBJECTIONS.

            Your STEREO TYPE of a generation is equally bullpuckey as that of others who cast shad on your entire generation.

            • Mathius says:

              So you want me to apologize for the control of the system by those I opposed, like forever, and who you and the Democratic party supported. OVER MY OBJECTIONS.

              There’s a big difference between “I’m sorry your house burned down” and “I’m sorry I burned down your house.”

              I’m not saying that YOU or anyone else here is personally responsible… but insofar as we are going to persist on shitting on the younger generation(s) for their ignorance, their poor education, their yada yada yada, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to insist on holding your generation (again, as distinct from YOU, personally) responsible for gutting education, for giving those participation trophies, yada yada yada.

              That is, I am looking for SOMEONE of your generation(s) to say something along the lines of “maybe I personally opposed it, but my generation sure did fuck yours over.” (see also: the National Debt)

              Colonel says: Young people today have been indoctrinated in Marxism by our education system.

              Sure, YOU didn’t indoctrinate anyone with Marxism, and sure YOU fought against such indoctrination… but for the colonel and others to gripe about the indoctrination of “young people today” and other such things, I think it’s only reasonable that they take a moment to acknowledge who did the indoctrination and that, if our generation (in general) is shit for being indoctrinated, then it’s only fair to recognize that your generation (in general) is at least equally so doing the indoctrinating.

              • Please, hold your breathe while I type this apology.

              • Ok, I will take a moment…..1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30……..X 2. ( It takes longer than a moment to type all those numbers.)

                Yes, I am very upset that we allowed Marxism to take a toe hold and I fought against it. But, I owe no apology because the latter generations can stop it. They can stop it right now…..today. What are they not? That is as far as education goes…and only education.

                I taught my children to stand up for their rights and their beliefs. We elected stupid politicians that believed in a kumbaya world…..a “I just want to be loved, is that so wrong” attitude.

                Here is where you and I depart on ideology. I taught my children what I, as a parent, believe in. Freedom of choice. I taught my children that skin color makes no difference and to discriminate because of color was wrong. But I also taught my children that culture is also different and to not associate with a culture is not bigotry. I taught my children that there are laws…good and bad. But if you do not like a law, you do not violate it, you change it. I taught my children that it is ok not to like something….like homosexuality, as an example. I think it is wrong and I taught my children that it is wrong, per my belief. I also taught my children that people are different and they (others) also have a choice…if that choice is same sex marriage, then so be it. I taught my children that it is none of their (my children’s) business to say anything about it. If they choose to associate, fine by me…..but do not fear to not associate if their belief was different and that it is just as wrong to be called a homophobe as it is wrong to call them queer or faggots. It is parenting that defines the future. I also taught them, that if their choice was opposite mine, then that is their choice. It would be hypocrisy to raise my child one way and if they reject my parenting and choose another route, I would be upset. I taught them choice, and as a parent, I live with that choice.

                But, when you FORCE things on people….that…is…just…plain…wrong.

                So, as a freedom loving person, and while I still have freedom of speech before you guys take it away, I can be out spoken and will be. I will speak against the greater good because I think it stifles freedoms. Everyone is not the same. We are not the BORG…..not yet. It will probably happen after I die in the next 20-30 years…but I hope my children will continue to fight and not give in to safe places and hurt feelings.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                LISTEN CAREFULLY.

                The younger generation was not screwed by my generation or any generation in particular.

                They were screwed by an IDEOLOGY. This ideology was hidden under the cover of the Progressive movement. Which in and of itself was not really an ideology as much as a complaint combined with the ever growing need to “do something”. This void within the core allowed the other to take hold. Movements need purposeful direction.

                That ideology crept into our country many generations ago. We have discussed the history of this for a decade. At the greatest political support for that ideology came from the “left” and the “Democratic Party”. Yes, there were Republicans as well. But the real evolution which eventually created the “today” we complain about was primarily within the Democratic Party.

                Related aside: Your should really read “Liberal Fascism”. It acts as a good Primer on this subject. The real meat is in some of the references cited in the book.

                So if there is something my generation should apologize for maybe it is our failure to bury the beast, the ideology of Socialism and Nihilism that seems to have won the day. Why did we lose this battle. Because of people just like you. You say you oppose it, then you vote for anyone who supports the parts of it you like. When parts of my generation fought against it we got the same fight back. The same arguments. The same rationalizations and claims of “there is no slippery slope”. We were ridiculed for trying to fix the education system, called right wing religious zealots and worse. When we tried to fix the lack of jobs or the decay in the inner cities we were attacked for being racist and nationalists (code for Fascist these days).

                Well here we are and I apologize for nothing because I did not contribute to this problem. About the only thing I did not do was take up arms against by fellow citizens. Should I apologize for that?

    • The older generation was patriotic and knew hard times.

      Half of the Boomer generation can’t even be bothered to wear a piece of cloth on their faces so that they don’t infect and kill other people and feel entitled to use violence to force their way onto private property while having hissy fits over having to obey company policy.

      But, yes, “young people today” are the problem.

      • Half of the Boomer generation can’t even be bothered to wear a piece of cloth on their faces so that they don’t infect and kill other people and feel entitled to use violence to force their way onto private property while having hissy fits over having to obey company policy. Bull shit….straw man here. I do not wear a mask and I am not infecting anyone and I will not wear a mask because I am NOT infecting anyone. If I come down with it…it was a risk I choose to take.

        • Colonel……….

          I do not wear a mask and I am not infecting anyone

          Except that you can spread it before you know you’re sick…?

          and I will not wear a mask because I am NOT infecting anyone.

          Except that you can spread it before you know you’re sick…?

          If I come down with it…it was a risk I choose to take.

          That’s fine….. That’s totally your risk to take…. except that you can spread it before you know you’re sick…?

          • Buulllll. Shit. The CDC has back tracked on that claim, waaaay back. Now its “very rare”. And no I am not running after a citation. Its out there. Even my loical news web page had it up for a few days.

          • Mathius, you do not throw out the baby with the bathwater……you know this. Financially, it did more harm to this country than letting a “Bad cold” ruin your day. I would have issued the cautions and let the locals decide. It was NOT and should NOT be a government thing..I would have thought that the libertarian in you would not like this.

            Texas is spiking, we know it is spiking and we are prepared for it…..that is the decision of the Governor….we will open. Want to limit flights into Texas, we do not care. Want to quarantine Texans that travel, we do not care…..do it. That is your choice. Make it and live with it. Do not come here, if it bothers you….and do not accept us there, if it bothers you…..and when this little fracas is over, there will be another flu or cold come along….this next time, we do not shut down and put people out of work.

            • Please give me the benefit of your objection to the following tactics enacted by Texas.

              1) Schools are going to open with the decision of the parents to have classes taught at school or virtual classes. Their choice.

              2) Business’ are going to open, including water parks and amusement parks, under the proviso that the business’ are free to establish their own rules, should they choose. For example, if Joe Tent Peg wants to open his store and require the wearing of face masks, that is his choice, then people either wear a mask or do not go in. It is a choice.

              3) Texas beaches are open and there is no requirement to wear a face mask. BUT, everyone knows the risk. IF you choose to go to the beach……go. Practice YOUR OWN safe distancing. The Park police and the attendants will all wear face masks because it is the rule for them.

              4) Sports venues are open. Little league is playing games again,, soccer teams are competing again….we are bowling again. Golf courses are open again. EACH WITH THEIR OWN SET OF RULES, leaving the choice up to parents and owners…not some government weenie that thinks they know better.

              5) Professional sports are supposedly opening again and the stadiums are going to have their own set of rules and safe distancing. Again, it is a choice. Want to go to a game…go. want to stay home and watch it on tv because you might become a zombie, then stay home. IT IS CALLED CHOICE….not an edict.

              6) Want to go to your favorite restaurant? Go….the wait staff and the cashiers and cooks and such will be wearing masks….because it is their rule. You have a choice….go out and eat or stay home…..but it is your choice.

              7) Offices are open and some require masks and others do not but that is a local decision.

              My point is, everyone knows the risk. We do not need some governmental agency telling us what to do. That is choice.

    • We’re going to equate religious fundamentalists destroying an ancient world-heritage site with “cancel culture” wanting to get rid of statues of a guy who was – irrefutably – genocidal to the point that, even in his own time, people thought he was too extreme.

      Why? Because we’ve whitewashed history to the point where he was just a guy with three boats who discovered America (even though, you know, there were plenty of people here before him and also other Europeans who had made their way here 500 years earlier).

      Columbus is directly, personally responsible for the deaths of more than a quarter of a million people.

      I know, it was a “different time” and the idea of “who is a person” was a bit more fluid back then. I get it. “But he wasn’t just some guy who was pro-slavery when slavery was normal.” He was the governor of an island wherein they were cutting people’s hands off to meet impossible gold quotas, raping with abandon, murdering with callousness that was shocking even to his contemporaries. This isn’t “yea, well, Washington owned slaves.” This was “holy shit, this guy is a bad guy.”

      And I get it – he did something that was important and culturally relevant – but we don’t need statues “commemorating” some fantasy version of an actual genocidal mass-murdering torturing evil person.

      And we don’t need streets named after him or cities or anything else.

      We need him taught in the history books AS HE WAS.

      Is that “cancel culture”? or is that “wow.. we really shouldn’t have been celebrating this guy to begin with”?

      • You do not eliminate history…..it is history. Personally I think any statues (other than mine) are a waste of space. Every school child knows that Columbus was not the first one to discover anything. I was taught that back in the 50’s in elementary school. Every school child knows that slavery is wrong. Every school child knows the reasons for the Civil war…we were taught that back in the 50’s. It is the changing of history that is scary. And tearing down things you do not like is not the way to do it. I might have “EMPATHY” as to the why but the method is wrong..wrong..wrong.

        • You do not eliminate history…..it is history.

          I don’t think tearing down statues of genocial murders is “eliminating history.”

          Maybe there’s a nuance I’ve overlooked here…. I see “a statue of person” is generally a statement of “here’s a person to be admired.” Do you see it otherwise?

          You do not eliminate history…..it is history.

          You’ll note that I specifically said “We need him taught in the history books AS HE WAS.”

          Sounds less like “eliminating history” than “ending the fantasy self-flatteringly white-washed version of history in favor of the truth as best we can tell it.”

          Personally I think any statues (other than mine) are a waste of space.

          Of course.

          I’ll have yours in a place of honor on my front lawn. I assume you’ll want to be mounted atop Equine Weapon?

          Every school child knows that Columbus was not the first one to discover anything.

          I didn’t.

          I didn’t learn that until college.

          (I mean, the natives were here first, obviously… I’m assuming you’re talking about Leif Ericson)

          I’d be willing to bet that a poll would say 90+% of Americans believe Columbus sailed 3 ships here and discovered American and can’t tell you a damned thing other than that.

          Every school child knows that slavery is wrong.

          Yes… but do they know that the guy who supposedly discovered America, the guy with all the statues, the guy we have a national holiday to commemorate is directly responsible for the deaths of more than a quarter million people? Seems relevant.

          Every school child knows the reasons for the Civil war…we were taught that back in the 50’s.

          Northern aggreession, right?

          It is the changing of history that is scary.

          You’ll note that, at no point am I advocating for “changing history” (which is impossible, anyway). I’m advocating for telling the real story and not the cleaned up feel-good white-washed version.

          Coloumbus wasn’t some friendly explorer. Yes, he did do some exploring, and yes, he did reach America. And yes, he also acted as a fascist tyrant devoid of EMPATHY who oversaw the deaths, rapes, and torture of a quarter million people.

          And tearing down things you do not like is not the way to do it.

          Fine. Instead of “tearing it down,” can we move it to a designated area for shit-heads? This is the Shit-Head Monument Park.

          I might have “EMPATHY” as to the why but the method is wrong..wrong..wrong.

          Destruction of property is WRONG.

          Petitioning to have it removed from public grounds, winning, and having it removed is RIGHT.

          • Northern aggreession, right? No sir…states rights. Slavery was ONE of the reasons….not THE reason and not the MAIN reason. A majority of the South was not in favor of slavery anyway.

            What was not taught, and I do not know the reason why, is that 44 thousand black slaves were owned by black industrialists at the same time. Wonder why that was not taught? In addition, just like Texas, true emancipation did not happen in Texas until 1865….most of it due to the fact of the lack of communication over a vast state…..but I wonder what the excuse was for Illinois refuse to emancipate until 1870?

            There are volumes that have not been taught or even recognized.

            By the way, I was taught that Columbus was a son of a bitch. He was ruthless and responsible for the senseless slaughter of innocents. I also understand that things are over looked for purposes of convenience. I wonder, why was LEIF Erickson not given credit. Interesting.

            The native Indians got a raw deal and were systematically slaughtered. This is history. In your world, this would be looked at….”For the greater good.”

            • Slavery was ONE of the reasons….not THE reason and not the MAIN reason.

              We could debate until blue in the face just HOW significant of a factor it was, but it was a significant driver even if not THE MAIN reason.

              What was not taught, and I do not know the reason why, is that 44 thousand black slaves were owned by black industrialists at the same time. Wonder why that was not taught?

              Because it doesn’t fit the narrative?

              In addition, just like Texas, true emancipation did not happen in Texas until 1865

              I told someone just the other day that the emancipation proclamation didn’t free all slaves and they were shocked.

              but I wonder what the excuse was for Illinois refuse to emancipate until 1870?

              No you don’t.

              There are volumes that have not been taught or even recognized.

              Agreed.

              And I, by no means, am an expert in it.

              I know more than the average bear, but that doesn’t mean much since the average bear knows almost nothing.

              We should really have SKT teaching classes on it since he was a drummer boy at Gettysburg.

              By the way, I was taught that Columbus was a son of a bitch. He was ruthless and responsible for the senseless slaughter of innocents. I also understand that things are over looked for purposes of convenience.

              I was not.

              Or, maybe I was just doodling in my notebook that day.

              But I don’t think this is common knowledge.

              Either way, since we agree that he was a son of a bitch, why do we have statues and monuments and a federal holiday dedicated to the guy when he didn’t even do his signature accomplishment? Why is this guy getting celebrated?

              I wonder, why was LEIF Erickson not given credit. Interesting.

              Doesn’t fit the narrative, maybe?

              Maybe because he came and then left rather than triggering European settlement?

              Maybe Columbus just had better PR agents?

              The native Indians got a raw deal and were systematically slaughtered. This is history.

              Yes, but it isn’t TAUGHT history.. at least not as applied to Christopher Columbus.

              In your world, this would be looked at….”For the greater good.”

              Bullshit, sir!

              In your world, this would be looked at….”For the greater good.”

              No “greater good” is served or justified by genocide.

            • Slavery was banned in the old NW territory by Congress (under the Articles) in 1787 with the passage of the NW Territories act. The IL constitution banned it in 1848. The Dred Scott decision caused issues with runaway slaves. The last slave in IL was freed in 1863.
              Southern IL was Copper Head territory during the CW since it was heavily settled by people from KY.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_Illinois

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Please splain the 250,000 number.

  8. The girlfriend of the man who flew a “white lives matter” banner over a football match in the UK has been fired from her job after refusing to take “intensive racial sensitivity training.”

    The banner was seen trailing behind a plane over Manchester City’s Etihad stadium on Monday before the club’s Premier League game with Burnley.

    It provoked widespread condemnation and a police investigation, although authorities subsequently concluded that no criminal offense had been committed.

    The person responsible for the banner, Burnley fan Jamie Hepple, faced a social media witch hunt although he responded with a Facebook post that said, “I’d like to take this time to apologise… TO ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOBODY!”

    However, after a Twitter mob discovered the employment details of his girlfriend Megan, she was fired by Solace Foot Health and Reflexology simply for being guilty by association.

    A statement released by the company said they were “willing to try to help Megan by paying for Intensive Racial Sensitivity training” but that Megan had evidently refused to be re-educated and would rather leave, meaning she was effectively fired for being the boyfriend of a man who thinks “white lives matter.”

    THIS IS NO JOKE!

    • The hate mob also obviously discovered that Jamie Hepple’s mother Jill had changed her maiden name but was also connected to the thought criminal.

      Solace stressed that Hepple’s mother doesn’t condone her son’s actions so she presumably gets to keep her director job, at least for the time being.

      This story once again emphasizes how Twitter and Facebook have just become giant doxxing platforms abused by hate mobs to ruin the lives of people who refuse to cower to political correctness.

      Meanwhile, Cambridge Professor Priyamvada Gopal, who tweeted, “white lives don’t matter,” gets to keep her job.

      “Presumably a statue has been proposed for her?” asked the Twitter account Hope Not Hate Exposed.

    • This Mathius approves of. Re-education camps are here.

      Mathius, please, I beg you. Repent and be saved. 🙂

      • This Mathius approves of. Re-education camps are here.

        What are you smoking?

        You’re supposed to just puff puff PASS. Don’t forget that last step, it’s important.

        • “I think businesses have a profit motive and “pissing off the people they make money from” is bad for business. I really can’t fault a business for axing someone who is bad for their business because society (or a powerful faction therein) has make their continued association problematic.”

          • So if you run a company and your COO goes on the news and gives a public rant about the inferiority of black people.. then all your black customers threaten to fire you… you’re going to keep him?

            • There should be absolutely no controversy over a sign that says “White Lives Matter” if “Black Lives Matter” is an acceptable slogan. Any other conclusion is racist.

              • Maybe.

                Maybe not.

                Who am I to say?

                Just because YOU don’t think there’s anything wrong doesn’t mean THEY can’t think so.

                Just like THEY aren’t in charge of what you think, YOU aren’t in charge of what THEY think.

                And if THEY think it’s offensive, then THEY have every right to boycott your company and destroy you economically.

                And YOU have every right to tell them to get lost or to capitulate and fire the “offending” employee.

                But thems just the breaks.

                You don’t get to decide for other people that there’s nothing wrong with what your employee did, so they have to keep doing business with you.

                But if the GOVERNMENT gets involved and tries to take your business licence away for failing to be sufficiently woke… THEN we have a whole different problem.

                But you’re just whining about the free market because the free market has decided to judge companies on some intangible in a way you disapprove of, and to that I say “tough shit.”

              • In theory you are correct. I know you hate DJT because he is a bully. How is this any different? The woke culture will destroy anyone that disagrees with them. This is bullying that you are giving cover to. We must send the girl friend of the “white racist” to a re-education camp or fire her. I am disappointed in you. Take a knee and wait your turn.

                Maybe I will start a company baking heterosexual cakes and see what happens.

  9. To Sir Mathius……..you caused me 1/2 nights sleep last night. It is not your fault so do not take umbrage…..but I was thinking about your statements on empathy. What had me confused some was your libertarian thinking on a lot of things and that certainly is not leftist. Allow me a couple of examples.

    1) You are in favor of a form of social net for those who cannot actually care for themselves.This is not a left wing issue nor is it a right wing issue…both left and right want this. You are against the able bodied that ride the system. This is not left wing nor is it right wing. It is the right thing.

    2) You are for the right to protest. This is not left wing. You abhor wanton destruction of private and personal property. This is not leftist. You want to understand “WHY” this happens but you would not participate as a leftist would. You have empathy for the reason (trying to put yourself in their shoes, so to speak), but you may not necessarily agree with their methods. This is not left wing at all. It is not right wing either because a right wing also wants to understand the reason.

    3) You dislike police brutality. This is not left wing nor right wing. The right dislikes police brutality as much as you do. I do not like it.

    4) You dwell in and work in and participate in and invest in capitalism. You like your home and you like your family. You are a father that devotes his life and times to raising your children (this will change when estrogen rules). You have a house, cars, probably a BBQ pit, building retirement income, barking dog or dogs, possibly a cat.

    5) You do not live off the government teat. This is not left wing.

    6) You favor some sort of universal health care. So does the conservative side. The only question is how to pay for it.

    You have a libertarian bend…..but you stray, sometimes, into government sponsored things yet you rail against government intervention in other things. This is not left nor right. This makes you (gasp) human. You do not BLINDLY follow the leftist Marxist philosophy…as a matter of fact, I do not think, when comes down to the lick log, you do follow any of the Marxist philosophy. Your actions show me you do not.

    SO……….you mentioned the word empathy quite a bit. You caused me to stop and think of your positions last night….and I really understand you better today. Still, we have our differences of opinions….and you like to yank chains and set traps for your entertainment….but you are not a Socialist and you are not a Marxist.

    BY the way, I ran this past the Dread Pirate and he still thinks you are an idiot.

    • This makes you (gasp) human.

      How DARE you?!

      You do not BLINDLY follow the leftist Marxist philosophy…as a matter of fact, I do not think, when comes down to the lick log, you do follow any of the Marxist philosophy. Your actions show me you do not.

      Thanks?

      A) what in the hell is a “lick log”?
      B) I don’t think I follow ANY established philosophy / ideology. Many of my views are, to the best of my knowledge, held ONLY by myself or a tiny niche community and would be anathema to any mainstream faction.

      <b.You caused me to stop and think of your positions last night….and I really understand you better today

      Great!

      …err… don’t suppose you could explain me to myself, because I’m just as baffled as everyone else.

      Still, we have our differences of opinions….and you like to yank chains and set traps for your entertainment

      Some people stalk dear… I hunt SUFA-ites… what’s the difference?

      but you are not a Socialist and you are not a Marxist.

      Of course I’m not.

      But I take from them what I need.

      BY the way, I ran this past the Dread Pirate and he still thinks you are an idiot.

      Of course he does. Tell him to give me back my chicken and release Canine Weapon.

      • Tell him to give me back my chicken and release Canine Weapon.

        The cad ate the chicken….but I was told that Canine Weapon does not want to come back to you. Something about frolicking in the waves with the female canine persuasion and being able to drink grog. He hated the Red Bull you forced down him.

        • The cad ate the chicken

          Let me tell you… I would not bet on the dog in a fight with that chicken… she’s one mean bird…

    • Col. when you break down the arguments as you have I to agree with your individual conclusions. This is Mathius’ style. Parse everything but miss the big picture.

      Mathius is a socialist because he votes for socialists.

      Mathius does not like the violence but he excuses (empathizes, justifies) the actions of BLM and Antifa because they have no other way to make their point. Conclusion, he approves of the violence because, like a child throwing a tantrum, he gets his way. He covers this well with all the right caveats and double speak.

      Mathius excused Hillary for all her legal transgressions. Similar Biden but accuses Trump of violating the emoluments clause despite lack of any evidence. He supported impeachment despite it failing reasonable doubt. He has never condemned the the FBI, DOJ, intelligence community, Mueller or any Democrat for pushing the Russian hoax. He uses the technique that all politicians do these things, hence he gives them tacit approval.

      So Col. when you break down his writings, he is only slightly left of center. But his actions are far left.

      To Mathius, have you ever voted for a third party candidate to register your distaste for the major party offerings? For your information and maybe to your great surprise, I have done so twice.

      • To Mathius, have you ever voted for a third party candidate to register your distaste for the major party offerings?

        Yes.

        I have voted Green and I have voted Libertarian. Make of that what you will.

        I have also voted Red in local and state elections.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          You condone their actions with your silence and excuses.

          Is that not what you have accused folks here of doing when they give excuses for Trump’s bad behavior or NOT PRESIDENTIAL demeanor?

  10. Freudian Slip? Some people stalk dear… Now….we may have a problem. BUT, I am quite sure you meant deer.

    • what in the hell is a “lick log”? Oh, I forgot. You dwell in the concrete jungle….Lick log, in the ranching business, refers to a “log of salt” or a “block of salt”. I am sure you have heard of a salt lick. It is for the cattle to get salt in their system. But the DEER and the other wild life go for it.

    • BUT, I am quite sure you meant deer.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I think that is a stupid argument but not surprising given a LAWYER made it.

    • Would a CNN or MSNBC lawyer say anything different about their opinion shows? How about the late night “comedy” shows?

      • Mathius says:

        Probably not.. just thought it was amusing.

        Lawyers will say the damnest things.

  11. Canine Weapon says:

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    Dear Bubba,

    Just apologize for your mistake and move on for God’s sake.


    NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace dismissed an FBI investigation that concluded a noose found in the garage he was recently assigned to at Talladega Superspeedway was a garage door pull that had been there since last year and not a hate crime directed at him, with the 26-year-old driver calling it “a straight-up noose” in an interview Tuesday night.

    “I’ve been racing all of my life,” Wallace, the racing circuit’s only Black driver, told “CNN Tonight” anchor Don Lemon. “We’ve raced out of hundreds of garages that never had garage pulls like that. So people that want to call it a garage pull and put out all the videos and photos of knots being as their evidence, go ahead, but from the evidence that we have — and I have — it’s a straight-up noose.”

    Wallace also said he hadn’t seen the noose personally, but had seen photos of it.

    “Whether tied in 2019 or whatever, it was a noose,” he noted. “So it wasn’t directed at me, but somebody tied a noose. That’s what I’m saying.”

    THAT IS NOT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING AND YOU SUCKED ALL OF NASCAR INTO YOUR SWAMP.

    • He also said that it was a none functioning noose, which, here in Notstupidland, means it was a knot.

      • A noose is a slip knot. If it did not slip and could not be unknotted by simply pulling on the spiral wrap, then it is some other kind of knot not a noose. In which case this whole thing was the result of ignorance.

    • Mathius says:

      I have an electric garage door, but I can’t fathom why anyone would bother with a noose for a pull-rope.. it just seems impractical, no?

      Nothing to do with racism… I just don’t understand why anyone would use that kind of a pull… am I missing something?

      I mean, just a loose rope is fine… maybe tie a loop at the bottom to give yourself a kind of “handle” to pull on.. but a noose? Aside from being a more complicated knot (admittedly not that complicated), it has the tendency (by design) to tighten and would eventually lose any looped-handle, wouldn’t it?

      Am I missing something?

      Again, nothing about racism or whatever, just, how is that “practical”?

      • If you pull on the knot, it falls right apart. Kids tie them all the time just for fun. Especially the generation that grew up watching westerns. Much to do about nothing.

        • Mathius says:

          If you pull on the knot, it falls right apart. Kids tie them all the time just for fun. Especially the generation that grew up watching westerns.

          What? Like a daisychain?

          I reiterate… what the hell am I missing here? Why are people tying useless knots for garage pulls?

          I mean, I know my generation wasn’t exactly raised on westerns and Boy Scouts, but is an overhand loop some kind of lost knowledge of the ancients?

      • JAC's Daughter says:

        I’m no knot expert, but common sense might kick in here and say “i’m sure there is a type of knot that allows there to be a loop at the end, and when pulled on it doesn’t tighten providing a handle now on the rope. Therefore, not an actual noose, just a rope with a loop as a handle.” But again, not an expert. 🤷‍♀️

      • First, they don’t use openers, they are manual. Second, the knot allows the excess to be wrapped neatly for a better appearance. It’s a dumb knot that a dumb ass made an issue over because he is…a dumb ass.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        You have a 5 or 6 foot long pull rope on your manual garage door. You want to shorten it and tie a loop that will hang above your head.

        What do you do with the remaining 5 feet of rope (called the tag end)? You do not cut it off because then you have damaged the rope if you want it longer later. Or if it isn’t your garage but that of someone else.

        Have you ever purchased a 50 or 100 foot piece of rope that in packaged? Like from Home Depot or such? How is all that rope wound up in that package?

        • Mathius says:

          Got it… seems silly not to just cut off the slack, but to each their own.

          You’re effectively saying it’s not a “noose,” but some kind of overhand loop or bowline with the excess wrapped around the line, giving it that characteristic spiral, and thus the vague appearance of a noose, yes? Or maybe it is just a straight up noose because that’s a handy way of tucking away that extra slack and you’re just careful not to let it tighten to the point where the “handle” disappears.

          I guess.

          Seems impractical.

          Still not sure why anyone’d feel the need to keep an extra 5′ of slack on a garage pull-rope, but whatever.

          Rope is cheap – just cut what you don’t need, tie a knot at the end, move on with your life. Why are people storing several extra feet of rope on the ends of their garage pulls?

          (again, not accusing anyone of anything at all except, maybe, being an idiot)

          • Oh my. Longer pulls are for midgets, handicapped in wheelchairs and short people. If a loop would break, the extra rope is right there to fix it.
            Common sense, you should try some 😛

            • Mathius says:

              What kind of rope are you using to pull your garage that it’s snapping enough that you have to store extra on the line itself for convenient repair? I keep my extra rope on a shelf 12 feet from where you’d attach a pull (if my door were manual). Is that too far to walk?

              As for midgets and handicapped people.. the extra rope is already bundled up above the “handle” – so they’d need someone to grab it and make the adjustment anyway. And how many handicapped people and midgets are working the track at Nascar, exactly?

              I’m not saying anyone did anything wrong here.. but this sure doesn’t make any sense to me. A noose is just over-engineered, sub-optimal, and wasteful for the task.

  13. JAC's Daughter says:

    @Mathius I’d like to chime in on this game you wanted to play yesterday. I’m not sure the SUFA etiquette here, am I supposed to ask my question on the previous thread where the conversation took place or pull it here to the new one?

    My question for you is this:
    If your magic pill completely fixes and rewires the makeup of a criminal’s brain to make them safe in society, and this pill was given to the 4 cops who are responsible for George Floyd’s death, would you release them?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Always move forward in time. Easier on the players.

    • Mathius says:

      I’m not sure the SUFA etiquette here, am I supposed to ask my question on the previous thread where the conversation took place or pull it here to the new one?

      SUFA etiquette… HAHAHHAH HAHAHAH AAHAHA AHAHAHAHAH

      This place is a lunatic asylum. And the warden is just another inmate.

      Do what you want.

      There have, to my knowledge, been two people kicked out or asked to leave since I came here, and one was a straight up racist old lady who kept using derogatory language toward Obama and the other was… well.. honestly, I have no idea how to describe that guy…

      He was of the opinion that time travelers were messing with him using coded communications hidden throughout bizarrre surrealist Russian Youtube videos… that the government and possibly people here were in on it.. that he had absolute rock-solid irrefutable proof, but that he wouldn’t let anyone examine any of it… eventually he was politely told to mosey along.

      So… if you’re not racist and not (too) crazy, do whatever you want. 🙂

    • Mathius says:

      Gman… quanantine, por favor!

      ——–

      If your magic pill completely fixes and rewires the makeup of a criminal’s brain to make them safe in society, and this pill was given to the 4 cops who are responsible for George Floyd’s death, would you release them?

      Yes.

      And I’d give them back their old jobs.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        That was strange. You comment did not go to “pending” or “spam”, it went directly to “trash”. As did a post by V.H..

        • Mathius says:

          It’s part of the conspiracy.. I’m calling Bottom Line or whatever his name was…

      • JAC's Daughter says:

        Ok, solid in your answer. Now, yesterday I think you were making the point that how people “feel” (like the hurt of the victim’s families or victims themselves) and the justice they felt they needed or deserved shouldn’t matter in the case that the human being is now completely mentally “fixed”. (Please correct me if I misunderstood you on that) I gathered, is it NOT justified to to keep a man locked up who now has a pure soul and mind just to appease the hurt of his/her victims.

        With that being said, the reason I specifically asked about these four men, is that they were the catalyst to an entire movement. Their arrests have a bigger meaning to some (an entire race) than just the fact that they killed a man in cold blood. By releasing them this would cause an even bigger uproar within the black community and the entire BLM movement, because I imagine they would feel even less “heard” and feel they were not being supported and the world was once again “against them”. Would these four saved souls be worth the entire black race feeling like they didn’t get their justice?

        • Mathius says:

          Indeed Mr. The Colonel was wise to warn me about you.

          Yes, you are getting the read correctly.

          I gathered, is it NOT justified to to keep a man locked up who now has a pure soul and mind just to appease the hurt of his/her victims.

          Correct.

          And if it’s not about “protecting society” and if “deterrence” doesn’t work… then why are so many people locked up… ?

          I specifically asked about these four men, is that they were the catalyst to an entire movement. Their arrests have a bigger meaning to some (an entire race) than just the fact that they killed a man in cold blood.

          And an excellent question it was.

          By releasing them this would cause an even bigger uproar within the black community and the entire BLM movement, because I imagine they would feel even less “heard” and feel they were not being supported and the world was once again “against them”.

          Perhaps they would.

          But you don’t keep “innocent” men in jail just to appease someone else.

          I’m sorry that their feelings would be hurt by this (and I would SURELY understand why they would feel the way they would), but that’s not “justice.”

          Would these four saved souls be worth the entire black race feeling like they didn’t get their justice?

          Translated: can we run over four “innocent” men with the trolly to save the entire black race’s feelings.

          Hmm… now that’s an interesting question.

          If we had phrased that in simplier terms I might have just jumped at that… “can we kill four innocent people to solve racism”? Yup. Done. (Easy because “racism” easily kills more than four people, so net-net, it’s a win, right?)

          So now, how to square those two… hmmm…… I’ll have to have a think on that.

          Might be.. the cops stay locked up, not for “justice” but as a “sacrifice” to the greater good of society and race relations? Don’t much like the way that sounds…

          • JAC's Daughter says:

            If we had phrased that in simplier terms I might have just jumped at that… “can we kill four innocent people to solve racism”? Yup. Done. (Easy because “racism” easily kills more than four people, so net-net, it’s a win, right?)

            Very interesting point, sir. That would open up a whole different can of worms though…. just as an example: If 13% of the population (African-Americans) commit 40% of the crime in this country (don’t quote me on those numbers, point being a small part of our population commits the largest percent of our overall crime) would you then say that it would make sense to lock up that 13% because the net-net would be a win?

            Might be.. the cops stay locked up, not for “justice” but as a “sacrifice” to the greater good of society and race relations?

            So lock up 13% (even the innocent of the race just as those four men are now innocent souls) not for justice but as a sacrifice for the greater good of society?

            • Brilliant test of the greater good mantra.

            • Mathius says:

              would you then say that it would make sense to lock up that 13% because the net-net would be a win?

              Right… this is where Slippery Slopes get involved… that way madness lies.

              Why stop at 13%? Why not kill 99.9%. Then we’ve got all the space and resources we could possibly need! We could pick and choose the best, most productive, smartest, most cooperative people, and form a utopia. At what point along the slippery slope do we say “nope, this is too much.” And more importantly, how do we objectively identify that point so it’s not just “I feel” deciding what is and is not morally permissible?

              It’s a tough thing… and something I’ve been struggling with for as long as I’ve had any kind of moral introspection…. ontological vs deontological.. that is, does morality derive from “rules” or from “consequences” and we can pretty easily see that madness lay at either extreme.

              If we ask: Is it ok to kill one innocent person to save the entire human race, an ontological approach would say “no. Killing is evil. Full stop. You can’t do it.” But a deontological approach would say “are you nuts? Of course, you have to…. it might be horrible, but the refusal to do so is even worse.” And the right answer here is obviously deontology.

              So to your hypothetical, a purely deontological approach says “well, can’t argue with those results!” and an ontological approach says “no locking up innocent people!” And the obvious right answer here is ontology.

              So the thing I always struggle with (other than “how to write shorter comments”) is “how do you balance the two?

              And the answer is……….. I have no idea!

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                A very slippery slope, indeed! A lot that can be debated here, and so many different scenarios can be used as the example. Something every individual should think through and the internal struggle is what maybe led to your game??….

                ….so let us come back to it….Would you release the four police officers responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death once they were cured?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Mathius

                You DO NOT BALANCE anything. Morals obviously are rooted or derived from the human recognition of “consequences”. It is outcomes that drive us to change. But why change?

                Because our capacity to think, especially in the abstract, allows us to understand the possible outcomes of our actions, which include the “rules of engagement” with each other.

                After thousands of years of wanton killing humans figured out this was not good for human existence. Not if you wanted to pursue some kind of happiness outside killing. Wala…. a new moral standard was discovered, developed, canonized, etc. etc.

                Killing some for the benefit of others is nothing but LAZINESS on the part of the others. And we know that SLOTH was one of those things the ancients also recognized as UNDESIRABLE.

                Your confusion is like watching someone who is trying to deal with black and white, when a another theorist comes along and claims neither is truly black or white but only shades of purple. Then you sit around perplexed at how to balance black, white and the many shades of purple. When in REALITY the shades of purple do not exist, except in the mind of the magician who befuddled you.

              • Mathius says:

                ….so let us come back to it….Would you release the four police officers responsible for Mr. Floyd’s death once they were cured?

                … a slightly more hesitant “yes.”

                I think, at the end of the day, you don’t hurt innocent people to make other people feel better.

                There is a lot of rationalizing I could do behind this position, including “if you give in here, you set the bad precedent of capitulating to irrational demands,” but I think you just need to be clear and communicate – these aren’t the “same” people. They aren’t a threat, they aren’t a danger. And you don’t hurt innocent people just to make other people irrationally feel better.

                If someone has, say, a brain tumor that makes them violent, and they hurt you, but then have that tumor removed, it’s really irrational to be mad at that person and insist they still be punished. It’s really no different.

                That.. and I don’t think that locking up these four guys is going to “fix” anything. They’re a symptom, not a cause. If you told me that “sacrificing them” would “cure racism,” then I have to start considering whether the greater good demands such a thing – something I don’t take lightly – but I can’t see that at play here.

                At the end of the day, I’d like to see “justice” as about, you know, “justice,” not politics.

                ———

                And now, your turn. It’s a great question, so let’s hear your take?

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                I think, at the end of the day, you don’t hurt innocent people to make other people feel better.

                I agree.

                I think where the debate was yesterday is these people are not actually “innocent” because they did commit the crime, they just had a mental disorder that caused them to do it. So they are not innocent, but now their mental disorder has been cured.

                And now, your turn. It’s a great question, so let’s hear your take?

                My stance is that they are not innocent. If we are using the example of your sociopath murderer, they might not be able to feel empathy and understand social norms and such, but they still know the difference between right and wrong because it is taught. You know it’s wrong to kill someone you just don’t feel bad about it, you are not innocent.

                If someone has, say, a brain tumor that makes them violent, and they hurt you, but then have that tumor removed, it’s really irrational to be mad at that person and insist they still be punished.

                I agree.

                This makes me think of Phineas Gage. Everyone said he was the nicest friendliest guy until a rod destroyed the part of his brain that controlled his personality. He became irrational and mean. Give him that part of his brain back and he goes back to being the best foreman the railroad ever had. I would say he was not responsible for his actions because a part of his brain was literally missing. Same situation as your tumor. Still not innocent, but the difference of knowing right from wrong has been eliminated in this scenario, or maybe they still know but truly can’t stop themselves.

                Now let me combine these two thoughts. I think you know about Lil JAC, who is pretty severely autistic. He used to use physical violence when he was younger to express his anger because he didn’t know how to express it in other ways. If he was angry, he hit you to show you he was angry. Like a child who doesn’t know yet, hitting is bad. Well, now he knows it’s bad, he knows it’s wrong, but on the very rare occasion that part of his brain takes over he might still take a swing. He immediately knows he’s done wrong and feels terrible about it, but he literally couldn’t help it in that moment. I still get frustrated because I know he knows it was wrong, but I also still love him and forgive him because I know he couldn’t help it and I don’t truly know what’s going on in his head at that moment.

                Put it all together and I think I’ve come to this conclusion, for the sake of your game. This magic pill has “cured” this guy, yet he still murdered someone. He is not innocent but because it is guaranteed he is no longer a harm to society he should have the opportunity for another chance. Once he is “cured” his sentence should be reduced to that of manslaughter or negligent homicide. Just as if you and I went hiking and you pushed me, even if in a joking way, I fall off the cliff and die. You are not actually a harm to society, you are a caring loving person, but at the end of the day you still killed me and will serve your time. So reduce their crime. I would also propose that from the time they are cured through their sentence, classes should be offered to them that would give them a better chance at making a positive impact once they are back in society. Plus, they didn’t have any empathy for X amount of years, so an ethics class or two couldn’t hurt 😉

              • All of that may be true but it is an exception to the rule. It is not, the moral foundation for the rule. Which seems to be what Mathius is trying to promote. If there is no consequence for breaking the law, there is no law. These questions are a matter of deciding the consequences, not the guilt.

        • What happens if none are psychopaths? Not all murderers are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are murders.

      • If you really could make a magic pill that would suddenly turn a murderous psychopath into a normal empathetic person, it might be the worst punishment you could inflict upon them because they would have to live with what they had done. You would have to completely wipe their memory of who they were before, or they would probably self destruct anyway.

        This sounds like a good plot for a sci-fi novel. You should write it, and send me half of the royalties.

        Oh, I’m still waiting for the paragraphs about the poor white supremacists that I requested yesterday. I’m sure you’re busy, but try and make time.

        • Mathius says:

          This sounds like a good plot for a sci-fi novel. You should write it, and send me half of the royalties.

          Oh boy, you’re in luck!

          Turns out we have almost exactly what you’re asking for!

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_Through_Gethsemane

          Not sure where you can watch / stream this for free but Youtube has it for purchase for $2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQN1L9M2krY

          The story, now aired TWENTY-FIVE YEARS AGO, and which I watched as a twelve-year-old.. goes thus:

          In a distant future, there is a monk, a devout and good man, a respected member of his order who begins to receive weird and troubling communications. A black rose is left on his door and other strange things that just make no sense, and he begins to get bothered and disturbed by the events and strange hallucinatory visions.

          We learn that there was a murderer whose signature was to leave a black rose on his victims, but that that murderer had been caught and punished with a mind-wipe. The ultimate in futuristic capital punishment, replacing his evil mind with an all-new personality. The suspicion is that, perhaps, this is a copycat.

          Meanwhile, the monk is attempting to explain human morality, the defining emotional core of his faith to some aliens, just giving him a chance for exposition, and he tells the story of Gethsemane, when Jesus had the choice, the option to sacrifice himself to atone for the sins of others, or to walk away. And he says that he does not know if he would have had the strength of character to do so himself.

          As may be obvious, the good, and honest, decent man, it turns out, is the new personality which overwrote the evil murderer. The roses and such were being sent to him to help trigger his memories and make him remember who he was, to cause him to revert, so that his victims exact their vengeance on the old-him.

          And, as the storytelling arc would have it, he sits in a garden, now aware of his dual nature, and decides to turn himself over to his victims to be murdered.. to atone for the sins of what is essentially another person.

          —-

          So, tell me… was justice served?

          Oh, I’m still waiting for the paragraphs about the poor white supremacists that I requested yesterday. I’m sure you’re busy, but try and make time.

          Must have missed it… I’ll try to remember to take a look.

    • Uh oh….logic again.

  14. Just A Citizen says:

    This is what you get when you keep making excuses for bad behavior. It grows and grows and then become a tool of the corrupt seeking to keep power. This “woman”, and I use the term loosely, needs to be put out to pasture.

    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/06/24/nancy-pelosi-accuses-tim-scott-of-murder/

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    Words of wisdom:

    “Like it or not, Bubba Wallace and NASCAR were forced into my field of vision this week, for reasons we should all be familiar with by now. When the story first surfaced I knew right away I had absolutely no intention of responding publicly until more details emerged. Being an opinion journalist can be a careful dance. People aren’t really paying you for news, they’re paying you for your opinion on the news, thus that is what you must offer. I didn’t want to be afraid to take a position, but I also know from years of experience now that when national tragedy or scandal strikes the first 24-48 hours of information is the most unreliable. And knowing that, it becomes a gross act of irresponsibility to add fuel to the flames when you aren’t even sure what’s on fire. That’s what the media does every time, and it only serves to enrage and divide. From mass shootings to racial incidents, the modus operandi is “shoot first, don’t ask any questions later.” It’s dangerous and I refuse to be a part of it.”

    https://www.redstate.com/kiradavis/2020/06/24/the-problem-is-the-media/

  16. Just A Citizen says:

    Wow. I guess the failure of our education system started long ago, since this reporter and the elected officials can’t seem to understand what is actually said by this Amendment.

    HINT: It did not make SLAVERY legal as a form of punishment. See semi colon stupid dolts. It made “involuntary servitude” a form of punishment allowed by the Constitution. We have discussed here many times what that means. And that it is never applied, unless you consider chain gangs or license plate makers indentured servants.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/24/us/slavery-ohio-legal-trnd/index.html

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    Great article. Right up S.K.’s alley.

    I had not heard of this two part responsibility of the LEO’s. Or the argument that the “Duty to Act” is what supports the “qualified immunity”. Since the new wave Judiciary has removed the Duty to Act, the Immunity should also be removed. Very interesting.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/what_police_reform_can_learn_from_the_common_law.html

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Excellent! Especially in light of that coward in FL getting both his job and back pay. Ditto for the Klebold shootings in CO. The cop who was “guarding” the building, sat outside. No punishment.

  18. Just A Citizen says:

    While I agree with the author’s sentiment and larger point, he sure did leave an empty feeling in my brain. Would make a good lead paragraph in an actual book.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/06/how_misunderstanding_wealth_creates_political_dissonance.html

    • I think the underlying problem is that too many people think the economy is a zero sum game.

  19. https://hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2020/06/24/arrest-led-riot-madison-wisconsin-last-night/

    Not feeling any empathy. Except for the people having to deal with these out of control idiots. They’re not angry, they’re having fun.

  20. More killings in the autonomous zone of love………………………..

  21. Mathius says:

    Try to get past the first 5 seconds.. it’s a pretty interesting video.. I learned some new stuff.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      This is why I have been saying that the home made masks are not very effective. They do not have the multi-layers of fibers nor the electrostatic fibers. They may be good at keeping large “coughing spittle” from getting in your mouth or reducing yours from getting to others.

    • N95 masks have a check valve. They do not filter exhaled air, only inhaled. It would take too much lung pressure to exhale through filter. Hence the mask are only good for protecting the wearer. Cloth mask are used to primarily block exhaled water droplets not to filter the inhaled air. Once saturated, they are useless so need to be changed frequently. Also once saturated, you are re-inhaling bugs your body tried to eliminate.

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    In the category of Someone Please Close the Damn Gates.

    Per our new County tax assessments: Did you know………….

    In the past 19 years we’ve grown by over 24,600 new dwellings (note: this is just less than the city of CDA population back then). Our market value has grown from $5,700,000,000 to $20,100,000,000. Our median residential single-family home is ow over $300,000.

    It is going to get worse as people are now coming here because they saw the national news coverage of how our citizens handled the threat of ANTIFA. I heard of two homes this week selling for CASH…… close in 5 days…….. no caveats……… and no personal inspection. All done over the phone by people in other States. And not California alone. The sudden flush of inquiries are coming from all kinds of places but a lot from Washington State. Some from the east coast.

  23. U.S.—Looking to protect their statues and other municipal monuments, cities and towns across the country have begun disguising their statues as Karl Marx.

    City councils all over are ordering Karl Marx wigs and putting them on Teddy Roosevelt, George Washington, Christopher Columbus, and other statues. The move has proven extremely effective at deterring Antifa and other extremist groups, who are only looking for statues of old hateful white guys to destroy and not statues of communists.

    “As soon as enraged rioters see the statue isn’t of a dangerous, murderous madman whose ideas killed hundreds of millions but is just of Karl Marx, they move on,” said one city council member in Illinois as he put a Karl Marx wig and beard on a statue of Abraham Lincoln. “Well, first, they bow respectfully to their hero and then move on.”

    Plaques on the statues with controversial quotes from the Founding Fathers are also being covered up with Marx quotes like “Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution!” and “Workers of the world, unite!”

    Some towns are reporting that Che Guevara chin stubble and a beret also work wonders at saving the monuments.

  24. (CNN)The de facto leader of the autonomous protest zone in Seattle said Wednesday “a lot of people have already” left the area, days after the mayor said she was going to persuade people to leave.
    A statement from a Twitter account that claims to be associated with the protest zone — known as the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ), or Capitol Hill Organized Protest — said that “few people remain in our beloved CHOP.”
    The statement, signed by “The Capitol Hill Occupied Protest Solidarity Committee,” added that “the CHOP project is now concluded.”

    So, now the “Love Zone” has run its course and the protestors have been leaving for awhile now, the de facto leader says it is now over. You had a bunch of bull shit protestors come in to create this zone that was going to last until they get what they want…people went hungry, people were raped…people were murdered, the residents moved out and their apartments trashed and everything of value stolen, business’ were looted, the cops ran because the mayor says it is a “zone of love”……this has been branded, and rightly so, a progressive movement and a Marxist, leftist agenda……and several blocks destroyed. I heard estimates this morning that it will take $120 million dollars to rebuild.

    On top of that, this morning, the residents and the business owners are filing lawsuits to recover damages by a City who failed them. This is going to cost the residents of Seattle Hundreds of millions if not a billion dollars of tax payer money………

    FOR what? What purpose has been accomplished besides theft, rape, murder, destruction of private property and some news paper time and they are going to get away with it. So, what happens the next time someone wants to try to set something like this up.

    You have the problem right now, New York….whacha going to do about it.

    —————————————————-

    Ok….for Ray Hawkins and Mathius. This seems to be right down your alley. You wish to empathize and coddle this type of situation so….if you were the mayor, what would you have done?

    I will go first as Mayor Colonel. There are avenues of protests other than occupation. I have a responsibility to all citizens, not just protesters. I would have ordered the police to stand firm and protect the precinct and I would have asked for the National Guard to come in and forcefully remove the protestors. Wanton destruction of private property, theft, vandalism are violations of law. Murder is a violation of law. If the protestors put up a fight, then you split heads until they quit and you take your city back. I do not smoke a “peace pipe” until all have left and order restored. This is what I would have done.

    Your turn.

  25. Thought to ponder:

    With all this screaming about outlawing choke holds by cops, why haven’t local or States done so, especially the Blue States who are screaming the loudest?

    Trump and the Congress can only do this with federal employees.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      gman

      Congress could create a law making it a felony for anyone applying a choke hold to another person. They might be able to target Law enforcement with this. But they have no other power except to force local agencies to create policies in order to get their free Govmint Money.

      • Canine Weapon says:

        Congress could create a law making it a felony for anyone applying a choke hold to another person.

        “Interstate Commerical chokeholds”?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Well of course. Just ask Nancy Pelosi. I saw her say once that EVERYTHING is included within the Commerce Clause.

      • I would oppose that law, should they try to make it.

  26. I think I am in exile…………calling on the Pirate and his nine pounder…..

    • JAC's Daughter says:

      I don’t think your in exile, and I don’t know this for certain, but I think it might be Mathius’ birthday today??

      @Mathius, are some Happy Birthday wishes in order?

      • Canine Weapon says:

        Ooooh… so close!

        Mañana.

        The old fart is turning 37, but is still as dumb as a 17 year old.

        • JAC's Daughter says:

          hahahah 😂

          Damn! I originally thought tomorrow but his lack of presence today made me think otherwise.

          Sorry Colonel, maybe you have been exiled. 🤷‍♀️

  27. JAC, could you round up about 100 skunks and drop them in the CHAZ/CHOP zone

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I would love to. Along with 100 RA-coons. One to clear them out and the other to pack off the trash. Then they would leave my garbage cans alone.

    • JAC's Daughter says:

      So now Seattle is going to be like Pawnee, Indiana with a bunch of raccoons running the joint! hahah

      • Just A Citizen says:

        LMAO………. I can just see the Raccoons and Skunks holding a City Council meeting to argue over what to do with the new “Park” that has been abandoned in the city.

        • JAC's Daughter says:

          🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

          And they’d probably do a better job running the zone! hahah 😂

  28. Canine Weapon says:

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Thoughts on the destruction of monuments.

    1. What does it say about a person’s ego that they are “triggered” by a statue?

    2. Contrary to Mathius’ view, this is an erasing of history. Which leads me to;

    3. If they want us to remember the genocide and racism, then how will removing all references of these “bad people” from the public square cause us or future generations to remember? Which lead to;

    4. Maybe this is really about these folks trying to erase the evidence of these people in hopes of erasing the “guilt” they feel. Which leads back to #1, of course.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      One other thought.

      All those vast lands designated as “National Monuments” were taken from the indigenous people. They represent the hubris of a racist culture. They should be eliminated ASAP.

  30. Just A Citizen says:

    Another thought:

    Maybe when history is reviewed long into the future, they will look back on our times as just the “transition period” between the long history of conquest, wars, pillaging and plunder, which essentially ended in 1945, and the development of a truly “civilized human society”.

    We often think of our times as the Big point in time. We forget about the long history before we came. We assume we made the leap from then to now. But maybe all this turmoil is really the result of the ending of what was and the beginning attempt to create something new.

    It is really our sense of TIME which is off. Which leads us to misunderstand what is happening today. We think we ended these things, that now should be the time of peace. But maybe this is the time of chaos created by the change we, our parents mostly, forced to happen.

    In a more general sense, half the world moved on after WWII. The other half is now expressing its rage over what happened long before WWII and is struggling to find its way. These two halves are primarily geographic but they include the people within the former who feel the same rage as the latter.

    • This was actually predicted because of the election. OR, this is a normal cycle of some of the governed, who have had their feelings hurt. 😛

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Gman

        While there certainly is some of that I think it is primarily located in the Political Class.

        The “Folks” are upset over more than that. And there are parts of the world even angrier than our spoiled young folks. I believe it is more complicated than just sour grapes over losing the last election.

        But I am thinking it is even deeper than that. That because we are in the middle of it, we can’t see how it fits in history yet written. We are in a way living in a time created by the turning over of the world order and human experience prior to WWII. We think it should be peaceful, but times right after the order is destroyed are usually period of chaos and erratic change.

        Doesn’t mean we have to like or accept the nonsense. I am just thinking in very long terms and wondering how this all fits in the progression of human “civilization” or should I say the civilizing of humans.

  31. Canine Weapon says:

  32. Equine Weapon says:

  33. Just A Citizen says:
    • Canine Weapon says:

      It really shouldn’t be that hard to say. Thank you Governor.

      I’m a talking dog.. you should be impressed I can say anything at all.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I am. I truly am impressed. That you can talk. Now if you could only think half as well as you talk. 🙂

  34. Just A Citizen says:
  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Question

    What are the barriers, challenges, issues that are preventing us from eliminating Social Security and replacing it with private retirement accounts?

    Same question for Medicare, Medicaid and other Govt. sponsored health care programs.

    • Many older folks not yet retired are owed after paying into Ss an Medicade their whole working life. That is the biggest, I think.

      • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

        Many older folks not yet retired are owed after paying into Ss an Medicade their whole working life.

        “Many older folks” aren’t “owed” shit, you entitled Boomer.

        Your money was taken and spent on your parents and grandparents. And the money you and your ilk are currently receiving is not “yours” nor something to which you are in any way “entitled,” but money taken out of the paychecks of the current workers and borrowed with interest to be paid by future workers.

        And now, somehow, you think, because “THEY stole my money, I am owed the right to steal someone else’s.”

        “Bob stole my TV. Therefore, Sally owes me her TV.” What?

        JAC: What are the barriers, challenges, issues that are preventing us from eliminating Social Security

        Gman: Many older folks not yet retired are owed

        Translation: It wouldn’t be right to make older workers pay in but never receive. We can’t get rid of this Ponzi Scheme until we’ve stuck some future generation with the whole bill. And then: screw ’em.

        • You can thank Democrats, starting with LBJ for everything. And I fully plan on sucking up your money when I retire and thank you every month for it. Plus, I’ll out live you, making it worse 😛

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Pirate

          You have offered NOTHING but an argument, for no reason.

          Gman accurately identifies one of the barriers. Most folks think they paid into a system which was like a retirement system. They want their money back. They do not know it was already spent. They do not recognize the Ponzi scheme.

          So this ATTITUDE or LACK OF KNOWLEDGE is in fact a barrier.

          Now, do you have any on your list?

          • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

            (3rd attempt)

            You have offered NOTHING but an argument, for no reason.

            Arguing is its own reward.

            Calling Gman out, doubly-so.

            Most folks think they paid into a system which was like a retirement system.

            I can’t help the fact that people are willfully ignorant.

            They want their money back. They do not know it was already spent. They do not recognize the Ponzi scheme.

            Perhaps.

            But you do.

            And Gman does, too. Yet he states “And I fully plan on sucking up your money when I retire and thank you every month for it.” Perhaps he means this in a ribbing fashion, but the fact remains unchanged that he knows perfectly well that he’s stealing from others and intends to gleefully continue doing so.

            So this ATTITUDE or LACK OF KNOWLEDGE is in fact a barrier.

            Lack of knowledge is a problem

            But, by far, the bigger problem is attitudinal. “I was wronged, so not it’s my turn to wrong someone else”… it’s entitlement at its worst.

            Now, do you have any on your list?

            Oh, come on, old boy, you know me… my “list” is much shorter: “A lack of guillotines and the will to use them.”

            • Just A Citizen says:

              NIce, but remember WE are in the minority. More guillotines may not be the barrier you think it is.

              I think the barrier Gman identified is more about people thinking they are getting back what they put in. Not some notion of getting even. At least that is the majority I have heard discuss it.

              P.S. I have at times a dream of watching some Pirate holding a gun to the heads of Congress (The movie V should come to mind) and all those snakes whining, crying and begging for mercy, while on their knees. The Pirate is laughing but when he turns to face me I can never make out his features. I cannot tell who he or she is.

            • I did “rib” you over your totally unnecessary, but typically liberal, personal attack. I was giving JAC an answer as I see it to his question. I doubt I’m wrong, but did you need to just be a wanker?

    • FICA = Federal Insurance Contributory Act. Sounds like something that I would expect return from.

      SS was sold as an old age insurance. Since most people reach old age, they do expect some return. On top of that politicians actually promised a return.

      In 1983, Congress and Reagan agreed to overtax all workers to build up a surplus that could carry us through the baby boom retirement years. Unfortunately, the surplus was “loaned” to the government in exchange for bonds. Now we must cash the bonds which means the taxpayer must once again fork over the money. Had the government invested those bonds in the market, this would not be necessary. Better yet, had we directed the surplus to 401Ks back in ’83, there would not be a problem today.

      Many Americans planned their retirement, right or wrong, around receiving SS. So for those that are retired or about to (<55), it would be wrong to alter the program. For those younger, there is time for them to save via 401Ks and IRAs, or even better Roths.

      My brother proposed the following solution. As the boomers withdraw their IRAs and 401Ks, divert the tax from these to supplement SS. For those 55 and older still working, divert the tax they would have payed on their Roth to SS. For those younger than 55, move their FICA payments to a 401K. This would include both the employee and employer portions. Someone, would need to run the numbers to see if this pencils out but you get the point. We need to wean the younguns off SS and into private retirement plans.

      SS is not inheritable, once you die, the government just stops paying. IRAs, etc. are inheritable so the wealth of the nation should grow as a result.

      I have run the numbers many times. If I could have invested my SS payments into the market over those years, I would never run out of money. SS is a rip off. It needs to end.

      Now there will always be some who end up old and broke. I have little sympathy for those who lived high and spent all their money. For the less fortunate, we need a welfare system that will aid with their troubles.

      • My late dad used to tell me all the time. Social Security is nothing but a Ponzi scheme and has been since its inception. He always told me that it was supposed to be a retirement supplement to savings. We all know that the SSN has been used to support everything else other than what it was its intended use. It is horrendous and it needs to be stopped. It can be stopped immediately. Let it die a natural death. Sunset it. Pick an age….right now, and sunset it….take away FICA tax and let people invest their own savings.

        Democrats will never let that happen. I doubt Republicans will as well…..it is being used for other give away programs.

        I have run the numbers of myself. I am maxed out on Social Security. I get the maximum. Assuming that I live to the same age of 96 as my dad, I will get back faaaaaaar more than I put in. This is not right. And what will Congress now do? I bet they will extend the age out further. I had to wait until age 66…..If I am not mistaken, I think my son will wait until 67 or 68. Not quite sure.

        Want to stop it? Stop the tax, payoff everyone already on it to whatever the actuarial table is in a lump sum and let them invest it. Stop the deductions to the government and let those still working invest in their own future. It can be done.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        T-Ray and The Colonel

        You gave reasons it sucks. WE know is sucks. You suggest we end it, with options. But agree we can’t.

        I want to know WHY NOT. What are the barriers that keep us from forcing the Political Class to end it or replace it with something that is sustainable, and dare I say JUST?

        I see two general areas, we the people and then the politicians. If We the People truly wanted it to end it might just end. So why don’t we get on the bandwagon?

        1. We paid in and were promised a return when we retired. That is one. What are the others?

        • I have an idea. Let’s end SS with a new law. Children of the elderly will be financially responsible for their elderly parents over the age of 62.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            WE NEED more kids to pull this off. Will have to adopt them from some other country to make it work.

          • If we put the burden back on the children, then once again there was a lack of planning. We should have had more children.

        • Abruptly ending SS would hurt too many who planned on getting it. That is why I proposed a phase out. Those who are 54 and younger would not get SS. It would be all privatized and the personal responsibility of the citizen to manage the funds. There are many ways we can do the phase out. I do not have the numbers and the actuarial tables to do the calculations but they are certainly calculable.

          As the Col. calculates, we will get more back in SS than we paid if we lived long enough. But my IRAs and 401K also does this in a much bigger way. On top of that it continues to grow with time. I could live to 100 and not run out of money barring catastrophic health bills. And when I die, my wife and kids get the remainder.

          My biggest gripe is we did not start the process in ’83. We had another chance in 2005 with Bush but it got demagogued to death by the MSM and Dems.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            So,

            2. Fear of people being harmed if it stopped. Both politicians and regular folks.

            • I wouldn’t mind seeing some of the politicians harmed but we all know how that will work out. JAC, you are fairly smart so I am sure you have planned for retirement as I have. But many did not. The bought fancy cars and boats, and went on big vacations so there is no savings for them to fall back on except SS. The population needs time to prepare for the cutoff . Hence, I would warn those 54 and younger not to expect SS. Your prime earnings and saving period in life is 55 to retirement. You salary is near max, the kids and college are mostly over, the house should be paid for, so you can divert a much higher percentage to savings. Thus people under 55 can plan their future. Those over 55 could be tapered off. For example, if you are 55, you have 10 years to work and thus get 10% of the normal SS benefits at 65. For 56 year olds, they would get 20%, and so forth. There are many creative formulas that one could apply. The big issue is the loss of FICA receipts from those under 55. These normally would go to paying off current claims. That loss would need to made up which is why I suggested diverting the taxes from 401K and IRA distributions to SS instead of the general fund.

              I dare say that any politician that pushes granny off the cliff by abruptly cutting off her SS tomorrow will follow her off the cliff after a big push.

              I have also said for many years, that we should write off the SS trust fund as the money does not exist and must come from general revenues anyway. Having it appear real on the books just adds to the demagoguery.

              • You will have to address Medicare as well as the payments for medicare come out of your social security……I would love to drop medicare. It was supposed to help the elderly. All it did for me was increase 300%….per person in my household. I had to “suck” it up….I was planning on 140 per month….now it is 480 per month EACH. I pay 960 per month form my medicare. I had to put it in my budget….and it still only pays 80%. Then you purchase supplemental insurance. The government took my Tricare for LIfe away….why can it not take Social Security away in the same manner…..abruptly and over night.

                I can find medical coverage on the private health market but it is age barred by law. NO ONE WILL TOUCH YOU after age 65.

        • I never agreed that we cannot end it…..We can do so today…..I told you how to do it. Use the business model and some people will get hurt…but hurt is necessary.

          • If we end it abruptly today, then I would say that any funds left in the SS trust must be returned to the people. It looks like there is about $2.9T in the trust fund. Part of this goes to SSDI and other programs. But the bulk is for the old age income. If it is not used for that, it should be returned. In place of SS we may need a welfare program for the old indigent people. The remainder of the trust fund could be used for that, but once depleted, then the program dies.

            https://www.ssa.gov/policy/trust-funds-summary.html

            • Here is where the argument comes in….especially from the left and I have even seen Mathius say words to this effect……..Not everyone knows how to invest and not everyone is smart enough to take care of themselves. In other words, the government knows best.

              Yes, you can take care of the indigent and the elderly through charitable organizations and there are plenty………let companies and individuals donate to these charities and organizations as a tax free donation. Let people and companies take off the entire amount of donations. If T-Ray Enterprises profits 1million dollars and wishes to donate one half of it….then T-Ray’s taxable income is reduced to 500k.

              Instead of capital gains tax on sale of assets, allow donations to charitable events for the elderly be exempted from the tax. As an incentive to charitable giving, allow capital gains tax to be tiered. IF a company chooses to give to charity, then the remainder falls to…say, 10%.

              There are various methods of taxes for companies….try this on for size. You eliminate the FICA and Medicare taxes…..Straight income to the company. If a company decides to donate 50% to charity, then the rest of the income from that would not be taxed and graduate it if necessary.

              There are a variety of ways…..HOWEVER, the upshot of this would be to stop the giveaways to colleges, and arts, and studying the sex life of mosquitoes, or how far can a lobster run on a treadmill…..or the Pirates grog. No subsidies for industry and no bailouts. Eliminate the “it is to big to let go” attitude.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                I believe that one of your Texas cities , Galveston?, opted out of SS for their employees way back. They have used a variety of investment plans over the year to cover City employees retirement well. What I fear is the vultures who will be out in droves selling bad investments. We have ALL been snookered at one time or another ( I have) it was a painful but necessary $ 3,000 lesson back when $ 3,000 meant something.

              • Yep, that is true and is working well. That is why the Democratic Congress, in 1983, passed a law saying that cities cannot opt out of social security. The average growth rate in Galveston in the plan is a tax free 5.9%, which equates to an individual investor as 11.2% pretax…….And the plan is fully funded and not dependent upon future generations.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Well done SK. One of the key barriers has been identified. Think back to the rhetoric when Bush II proposed his overhaul. One used each time the market takes a dip.

      3. What I fear is the vultures who will be out in droves selling bad investments. We have ALL been snookered at one time or another ( I have) it was a painful but necessary $ 3,000 lesson back when $ 3,000 meant something.

      The rest of this is a general FEAR of the market and “losing” the investment. Linked to that is the almost certainty that if all of America was investing in retirement plans by necessity there could be an increase in lax governance of those investments.

  36. Just A Citizen says:

    The immediate downside is MORE tribalization. The upside is a shot across the bow to Facebook, Google, Twitter et al.

    The next downside will be when the venomous ass clowns who make up the radical find out they can destroy conversations there with their obnoxious behavior.

    https://www.redstate.com/brandon_morse/2020/06/25/ted-cruz-parler/

  37. Just A Citizen says:
  38. Those contact tracing apps…yep! Added to cell phones last week. Check your phone.

    iphone…settings > privacy > health
    Android..settings > google settings

    Boom! Right there. Gonna start social distancing from my phone…more!

    👿

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Wonder why young people are flocking to beaches, bars, restaurants and the like?

    Well here is the answer………….. in the words of one of them. Kudos to the author. Very well written and thoughtful.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/opinions/high-school-biggest-lesson-covid-19-shapiro/index.html

  40. Sigh, must bathe the dog today, she found the south end of a north bound skunk.

  41. https://www.foxnews.com/media/black-lives-matter-leader-burn-down-system

    It’s not about George Floyd, it is about about power and intimidation.

  42. https://www.retaildive.com/news/the-running-list-of-2020-retail-bankruptcies/571159/

    Add to the list Chuck e Cheese. How far will this go? Will any of the airlines go bust? Boeing is not selling anything due to the shut down and 737Max issues. The commercial avionics division of Collins Radio where my brothers worked is virtually shut down.

    • Just heard on the news today that 10 of the largest airlines are putting forth a proposal for the government to buy empty seats.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Our school district sent a survey around – asking if families were planning to send kids back to brick and mortar in the Fall or go full time Cyber School the District offers. Scuttlebutt from those closer to in-the-know are saying District unlikely to fully reopen in the Fall and may attempt a half-day model. Wife and I both work from home so the inconvenience factor is less for us – same not true for too many neighbors.

      • Same survey here. 20% of the respondents said they would take advantage of the virtual classrooms….80% prefer brick and mortar.

        • Texas is leaving it up to the locals to decide in their own districts. In Fort Worth, all public schools have access to virtual classroom from what I am told.

          Hell, when I went to school. I had to walk to school barefooted in blinding snow up hill both ways…..**cough**

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Boeing is a disaster. The C-46 program is the mess that John McCain accidentally predicted it would be., The refueling boom falls off and the TV system instead, of the old guy in the back system, fails in bad weather and night ops. In addition they have noticed a TV is not three dimensional. Sell your stock. The last three CEO’s have been bums. Look for the KC-135 to be around another 20 years. It began its FOURTH generation of service like the ’52 last year.

  43. Just A Citizen says:

    REALLY??????

    CNN headline: “Biden says he would make wearing face masks mandatory for Americans”.

    There ya go Mathius. Any doubt just how tyrannical the Dems are at their core?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Also in Biden news, he attacked Mr. Trump yesterday accusing him of being a whiny baby because he wants the economy opened up. Mr. Biden’s accused Mr. Trump of being IGNORANT to the fact that the economy cannot get going again until we have controlled the COVID outbreak.

      I am wondering just how stupid the staffer was that came up with that line, or if Mr. Biden did it on his own. Sad thing is it will be repeated by the mindless Sheep following his lead.

    • I really have an attitude at these masks. My job requires hustle. Lots of sustained hustle. That means lots of huffing and puffing. I’m not one for taking meds, but I’ve been having to come home and pop a couple Motrin at least 3 days a week and have been experiencing shortness of breath bouts occasionally. Never had these issues before masks were mandatory. No issues on my off days either. That in itself gives me a big attitude when I return to work. I doubt Bezos will back off the mandate until there is a vaccine. More attitude.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Anita

        DOCUMENT your struggles and the linkage to using the mask. I see BIG LAWSUIT in your future to deal with your new health problems.

        There are times I have to wear an N-95 mask for all day, several days, while doing work in the shop or dusty fields. Even with the breathing device, I have the same issues.

        You are inhaling CO2 at higher levels than normal. Your lungs are working harder to breath. It is exhausting.

      • Studies are beginning to come out stating that O2 deprivation is a problem with long term mask wearing, which is an OSHA violation. They are making you ruin your air quality.
        I know you won’t file a complaint with OSHA, but I would for you. 😀

      • Change the mask once an hour. Once saturated with moisture, they are useless and dangersous. Are the masks provided by the employer?

        • Thanks guys for the advice. May have to stand in the HR line today and just get this added to my file.

          T-Ray…yes masks are provided. Surgical masks. But we got a bonus this time with our free Tshirt…2 cloth masks, Amazon smile on them. Tried one on when I got home. There is no way I’ll use them….double layered, way too thick for my liking. I would suffocate myself I think. Gave them to the kids for use while shopping.

  44. Just A Citizen says:

    Any remaining doubt about the BIAS of the MSM should be eliminated by this article. The accusations and linkages are unbelievably over the top. As in not based on reality.

    What these ………………. won’t say it…………… apparently really want is a DICTATOR to lock everyone up and tell everyone how they will live on a minute to minute basis. Nothing else will satisfy them. Of course that would bring out the cries of Fascist Hitler, but who is going to notice. Because the important thing is to keep stirring up Orange Man BAD.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/26/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-single-worst-day-new-cases/index.html

  45. Just A Citizen says:

    Excellent analysis by Tucker Carlson. Only criticism by me is “exactly what could Mr. Trump do about it”? Just because Dems have overstepped their authorities in the past doesn’t mean it is legal to do so. Note here, Mr. Obama also did not do much to quell violence but it didn’t hurt him as much.

    https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/06/26/tucker-carlson-sounds-the-alarm-about-trumps-re-election/

  46. Just A Citizen says:

    Ray Hawkin

    Since you claimed no fraud with mail in ballots, thought you would be interested in this. Not a complete article but note how two States under Dem Control violated their own laws to make it happen. Note, Idaho did the same…….all mail in primary. I missed the memo and thus missed voting. Not realizing the Gov’s postcard asking if I wanted a ballot was my “ONLY” choice. Won’t happen in the general. But even in this Red state the process is fraught with potential abuse.

    https://www.redstate.com/christopher-arps/2020/06/26/860432/

    • C…let’s throw this in the hopper……..

      WASHINGTON – More than 1 million dead people got stimulus checks from the federal government under a new federal law designed to juice the economy during the coronavirus pandemic, a watchdog agency reported Thursday.

      The Government Accountability Office said that a legal interpretation left the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service unable to use government death records to stop the stimulus checks from going to people who are dead.

      As a result, nearly 1.1 million payments totaling nearly $1.4 billion were distributed to dead people as of April 30, the report said. The Government Accountability Office has confirmed that $400 million have been cashed.

      ____________________________________________________

      Now, let us take the statement above where they said a “legal interpretation” would not allow government death records to stop the stimulus. So, substitute stimulus and say ballots.

      Unbelievable…..

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:
  47. Interesting tidbit on the news today,,,,,,pertaining to the barrios of New York City. The subject matter is education. There are two charter schools in deep poor neighborhoods of New York City. Both charter schools operate on a budget of 74% of what public schools get. Both charter schools are union free. Both charter schools have a racial breakdown of 83% black students. Yet, the black education rate and test scores of the blacks attending are in the top 15% nationwide, with a graduation rate of 96%, while the competing public schools are in the 26 percentile nationwide with a graduation rate 42%.

    There is to be a lesson learned here.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      There is…..close them down ASAP!

      You have touched on my other interest,education. NYC spends $23,000 per pupil. Probably more this year since they have issued a computer to every student. There are issues with private charter schools which in some cases mimic the fraud that goes on with “universities” seeking to rip off your GI Bill bucks. Public charters seem to be working better.

      Now if Charters can do it for 75% Parochial schools do it for 50% or less with the same or better result with a majority minority clientele .

      I’d like to see real competition and vouchers. I am outraged by the arguments against it, “It will divert monies from the Public Schools”. is what you hear all the time.

      I’ve never figured out how. If you have the aforementioned 23 Grand in NYC and offer a 50% voucher to parents, that leaves you with $ 12,500 per pupil surplus. So, give half of that to the Public Schools to piss away on more bullshit and return the other half, $ 6,250, to taxpayers. WIN! WIN! WIN!

      Now of course religious schools run afoul of the 19th century “Blaine” Amendment, the last remaining legal bigoted law on teh books specifically aimed at Catholics though today it picks up all religious schools.

      • These were public charters schools….right in the worse part of NYC….They did good at less cost.

        • Attitude is what makes schools fail, not money. If a small percentage of students are allowed to stop the majority from learning, failure is a forgone conclusion.

          • Correct. We used to kick these kids out of school or, at the very least, put them in a remedial class. But this was considered worsening the problem. Then we went through dumbing down the classes so that everyone could pass, and we have created an uneducated society. Then we tried advanced classes and that was/is considered racist because it appears the the classes were inundated with Asian kids and this has also created a divide. You have to want to learn. And you need to learn the sciences and the mathematics and reading comprehension. We used to have a class on just phonics…and that is considered as teaching a “white” language.

            We want to blame things like poverty and single parent families as the reason. We want to blame everything else other than personal responsibility. We quit teaching that. We have allowed our universities and classrooms to become breeding grounds for Marxism.

            We have seen the enemy…..and it is us.

            • JAC's Daughter says:

              We want to blame things like poverty and single parent families as the reason. We want to blame everything else other than personal responsibility. We quit teaching that. We have allowed our universities and classrooms to become breeding grounds for Marxism.

              Do you think this is reversible? Are we able to get back to a point where people, companies, schools, and government must take personal responsibility for their actions and their hand in the mess? If so, how do we get back there when it seems today that we are only continuing to spiral downward in these areas.

              • The people whom are remaining quiet, will have to grow a pair of cast iron balls and challenge the system. You need to cut off Federal Funding of Universities and colleges. You need to cut off foreign investment in College and Universities…such as…..Harvard, which is supposedly a private college, gets Federal Funds and just last year received a sizeable grant from a Chinese based company of 10 million dollars. My own University of Texas received money from a foreign entity of 7 million dollars and I only KNOW of those two.

                You need to elect a governor that has a pair of cast iron cajones to advise that if the University of Texas receives any more foreign investment, all state investment will be terminated….this he has already done and it has been court tested and he won.

                So, you have to do that for starters. I do not know how to revamp the way society thinks. I do know, or I do believe, that you do not have to stay in poverty. I keep hearing that we have created a fatherless society by our laws and this time worn systemic racism…..people make choices and you cannot force people to make choices. But what you can do, is make it where people do not want to make choices and we have dumbed down society to the point that most of us are lemmings….and those of us that are not lemmings are accused of bigotry and exclusion. Simply put, we have to fight and it is not too late but it does mean that we have to get off our asses and become politically conversant and involved in getting the right people in the right places and do not be afraid of the “LOUD” minority. The silent majority does not have the time to be silent any longer.

  48. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I have absolutely no desire to go into New York City on Sunday and will NOT go near public transportation but this little item intrigues me. Note the ” “bring a teddy bear”.

    https://www.eventbrite.com/e/defend-teddy-roosevelt-tickets-111027305660?aff=ebdssbdestsearch

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Loved this within the story

    • Nike needs to go the way of the dodo bird. A sham company that exploits workers and supposedly righteous people buy their stuff…..

    • I kept wondering how Nike’s sales seemed to be going strong. Obviously, “seems” is the operative word here…I’m encouraged to know that despite the smoke and mirrors, all is not well behind the PC curtain. I was afraid that apathy over their PC stance would keep sales up. I know I will never buy another Nike anything, and I’m glad to see that many others must feel the same way.

      Murf

      • I’ve never been much of a nike customer, you can consider that being cheap or frugal, take your pick. I did occasionally buy a hat or t-shirt that said nike. Not anymore. Hopefully, it adds up.

  49. Interesting to note that the increasing spike in Covid appears to be among……….the 20 to 35 year olds. Wonder why that is?

  50. JAC,

    Sorry for any confusion. I am the Angry Bird from Indiana. Like I said, I work the night shift so I am always a day behind reading the comments here. I do follow along and feel like I know every one of you personally. I don’t comment that often here because by the time I have the chance somebody else has said what I wanted to say or my comment just gets lost in the shuffle. So I just troll TheHill at night when I have the time. :-))

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Rick,

      No worries. Don’t think I am confused, but could be, cause if I am I wouldn’t know….I guess.

      LOL

      Don’t worry about being late to the conversation. Been working a lot myself of late and often run a day or two behind myself. Glad to know you are still out there and watching.

      JAC

  51. Very interesting article in the New York Times and wondering why it got published. It was a letter from a 13 year old girl that said she has learned much more from home than she has in school. She went on to say that the kids who do not want to learn, disrupt the class, disrespect the teacher, get up and walk around without fear of retaliation or punishment. She went on to say that she would stay home if she had the option.

    Nuff said..

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      There have been some fascinating studies on home schooling. Essentially parents have been finishing an entire school day in a few hours. Without disruption, with one on one teacher-pupil ratio and with a good swift kick in the ass available as an incentive for the high school aged, it is amazing what can be accomplished. One group socializes their kids in the afternoons with other home schoolers. and does 2-3 field trips a week.
      \
      My number three son with four is considering pulling them this coming year because of teh confusion over the “new Normal”. The youngest daughter is about to start kindergarten and the wife has offered to take her a few days per week. and put her 40 years of early childhood ed. experience to work.

  52. Question for President mathius’……………..if you have reliable information that Russia was actually putting bounty on the head of US troops…..what would you do?

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