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  2. U.S.—Oh no! Democrat leaders sure are in a pickle. They are really trying to be tyrants and enact a police state with their COVID-19 orders and lockdowns, but oops: they just defunded the police and now don’t have any police officers to enforce their orders!

    Oops-a-daisy!

    “We may have defunded the police slightly too early,” admitted NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio. “Maybe we should have welded everybody into their homes and then fired all the police officers. You have to be really careful with the timing on these things, you know.” Someone then busted into his press conference and stole his watch. “Police! Arrest that man!” he cried before realizing what he was saying.

    California Governor Gavin Newsom just ordered everyone to wear masks and told almost all the restaurants in the state to close, but he’s running into a similar roadblock as major cities like L.A. and San Francisco have already begun defunding their police departments. “OK, look, let’s just back up and look at the SCIENCE here,” Newsom said. “We’ll keep the police, but they can only enforce masks and stop people from skateboarding and stuff. But they won’t be able to use force. No guns, of course. They’ll just stop people with their words, and if the citizens disagree, the police will be authorized to ask nicely a second time.”

    Meanwhile, many Republican leaders are speaking out against tyranny while pushing for police to have more money so they can buy more tanks and killer robots.

  3. Minnesota is seeking millions of dollars from the federal government to clean up after the riots that erupted in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis police custody May 25.

    The Minneapolis Star Tribune noted that Baltimore had sought FEMA funding after the riots that followed the 2015 death of Freddie Gray in police custody. No funding ever materialized.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/minnesota-governor-pleads-federal-aid-sky-high-bill-riot-damage-revealed/

    So sorry Minnesota, you should have dealt with these people in a better way.

  4. Been a busy day today. Got a turkey in the smoker, processed and canned 18 jars of plum jelly (my plums). Made the custard for ice cream. Fresh corn on cob, potato salad and smoked turkey for supper.

  5. WILMINGTON, DE—With citizens and media figures questioning Joe Biden’s mental fitness to become president, Biden took to the internet yesterday to shut down the naysayers once and for all. On a live video from his basement, Biden held up a Fisher-Price See ‘n Say and flawlessly recited all the sounds animals can make.

    “My memory cognitives are per-perfect, they’re perfect,” Biden insisted. “If my brain is no anymore not work, could I do this?”

    Biden then began to go through all the common farm animals and the sounds they make, starting with “cow,” which says “moo.” He got into a little trouble with the chicken, which he thought said “quack,” but after some help from his live-in nurse, he got back on track.

    After reciting all the animal sounds almost perfectly, Biden smiled smugly, dropped the mic, and cut the feed.

    After the video, CNN praised Biden’s performance and reported an immediate 382% increase in Biden’s poll numbers.

    • U.S.—As governors clamor to follow the ways of SCIENCE and save lives in their state, one state governor has read some very scary statistics from SCIENCE and decided to go the extra mile to protect the safety of his citizens. “Starting today,” he said, “All citizens of my state will be required to wear a snorkel at all times, both indoors and out. This will prevent thousands of tragic deaths resulting from people falling in their backyard pools. SCIENCE says we must do this.”

      Every person in the state will be required to wear a snorkel, preferably paired with goggles, 24 hours a day. When pressed as to why they were necessary indoors, the governor replied, “Hello! Sinks? Bathtubs? Showers? There are water hazards everywhere inside the house! We can’t be too careful! SCIENCE!”

      According to the order, anyone caught without a snorkel will be required to pay a $15,000 fine or face 8 years of jail time. Second offenders will be shot on sight. “We must do this to save lives and obey SCIENCE!! We are in this together,” the state governor exclaimed before tripping on a microphone chord and falling headfirst into the press pool.

  6. Ghislaine Maxwell has lots of stories to tell. Will she throw the Clinton’s under the bus?

    Speaking of the Clintons, HRC came out of her snake pit to say a few things. Nothing of importance.

    The Washington Redskins look like they will be forced to change their name because of the cancel culture. I would suggest Swamp Creatures or better yet, Cowards.

    BLM is nothing more than a trained Marxist group claiming to be anti-racists. Which leads me to:

    The Democrats are using the youth much like Hitler used his. This is not a coincidence.

    Gonna be hot for awhile. Had a nice campfire last night, locals had lots of fireworks as Phantom Fireworks reported selling out many stores.

    All those little Leftist spoiled brats will come to regret pulling down statues. Watch how they whine when they are charged.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      The Washington “Durocs” following their nickname. But that’d be an insult to the red hogs of the world. At least they serve a purpose

  7. For those of you whom scoffed at my Hong Kong prediction:

    As of yesterday, Hong Kong lost its autonomy.
    As of yesterday, many people being arrested under their new National security Law.
    As of yesterday, China’s new law has been extended to international communities saying that any discourse on independence in news papers or radio violates their law and is subject to arrest wherever they may be.
    As of yesterday, the SEHK ( the Hong Kong stock market) is under the direction of China and Bejing.
    As of yesterday, foreign entities and business’ in Hong Kong must divest to 49/51% ownership within 90 days.

    ———————————

    Taiwan is next.

    • Followed by the Philippine islands……..scoff if you will. So far, I am 100% on my predictions.

      After the Philippine Islands will follow closure of the South China Seas and a major trade route…..scoff if you will.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Now, Colonel, what exactly are the odds of the coincidence that China would move on HONG KONG while the world was preoccupied with the Covid 19 plague?

      • Stephen, do I detect a note of sarcasm here? And the most important thing….no one outside of Hong Kong cares……no one cares about the South China Seas, and no one cares about Taiwan….until it is too late and then, the snowflakes of the world will ask…………why did THAT happen?

        Unbelievable.

        • Trump surprised even me this morning…Two..count ’em…Two carrier groups in the South China Sea.

          Now, the headlines will read…Trump starting a war.

          Never mind about Beijing taking over Hong Kong…never mind about taking over islands that did not belong to them and building military bases….never mind about the buildup just off the coast of Taiwan……..forget all about this…..Trump is starting a war. Can’t wait to see the headlines.

          • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

            Yes, one of those carrier groups just went by. Some fool kid on the conn tried ordering me to move The Hammer out of the way, then there was a brief sound of scuffling, and a much more polite voice informed me that they would be taking a slightly longer tact around my position and would I please notify them if I had any objections to their new heading.

            Anyway, nice weather for sailing today..

  8. Another interesting fact……….According to the FBI, there were 4.1 million approved background checks in May, and 3,9 million approved background checks in June…..48% of them from first time buyers.

    The main reason for the checks ( I do not know how they got this information) was civil unrest and fear of no police protection.

    Wonder what this means?

    Congrats Chicago, you set a new record…..67 shootings and 13 deaths so far…and that was through Saturday night for the 4th of July weekend. Chicago police refusing to respond in certain areas. Go ahead…de-fund them.

  9. Violence is booming in big cities. Chicago, Atlanta, NYC and Philly to name a few. Corona virus is still booming too. Not sure which killed more over the weekend yet.

    Highs in the 90s again today. It’s not that bad out here in the shade.

    Has anyone thought that this whole virus thing may be a depopulation event that might have been done on purpose?

  10. Whatever happened to that “OH SO TERRIBLE” NYT story about Russian bounty’s on our troops? Ray? Raaayyy?

    • Many Democrats and Republicans knew the allegations against Russia and none of them wanted to act on unverified information.

      What everyone was looking for was proper verification, but that’s become harder than ever.

      The accusations against Trump now are just as empty as the ones the Democrats have thrown at Trump before.

      https://greatamericandaily.com/nancy-pelosi-was-utterly-humiliated-when-the-public-learned-her-huge-secret/

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      G-Man – super easy answer x2 – the media is fickle – they’re gonna chase the next headline, then the next and the next. I’m hearing there is still some pandemic thing happening that we’re waiting for it to “disappear” – so there’s that. Second – when you play the old tape up thru “5 minutes ago tape” – its as if we running out of media air time to cover the mounting scandals and screw-ups of this President and Administration.

      I will throw shade your way G-Man – its not about a terrible NYT story that has been corroborated several-fold. Its about a direct adversary become an indirect enemy in a war that will not end. Its about a President too pathetic and lazy to read his own PDB. As Trump sweats and snarls his way thru each day – his lack of fitness for office should alarm you and drive you to ask harder questions versus the silly memes that litter SUFA.

      • Funny thing about Trump. He under went a 30 plus million dollar investigation by 18 investigators who vote D and they couldn’t charge him with jaywalking.

        Seems to me you’re way, way over reacting. But considering the last guy that got his Intel from the news and you were silent, it’s no surprise.
        Shade returned and since it’s hot outside, sit under it and enjoy. 😀

        • Mathius says:

          He under went a 30 plus million dollar investigation by 18 investigators who vote D and they couldn’t charge him with jaywalking.

          If you think the guy who proudly bragged about walking into the changing room full of underage girls when he ran a beauty contest and who was friends with Epstein and who has a long and storied history of, shall we say, putting things where they don’t belong and who is credibly accused of several acts of rape by then-underage girls… if you think that he hasn’t done something that crosses a moral red line… well, I have a bridge to sell you.

          And, even if he hadn’t (which he has), it wouldn’t matter because he’s still a terrible person, a terrible president, and he doesn’t deserve my vote (or yours) anyway.

          Let me ask you this, V.. Do you think CLINTON has sexually molested a minor child?

          Seems to me you’re way, way over reacting.

          To the (apparent) fact that the highest levels of power are full of child-raping pedophiles?

          Seems to me that I’m underreacting. Seems to me that the appropriate reaction is to grab the ol’ pitchfork.

          Seems to me you’re way, way over reacting.

          One other thing I’d suggest.

          As another noted sex offender, Keven Spacey, pointed out in the rather fantastically acted show House of Cards, “everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power.”

          I would suggest that the pedophilia rampant amongst the powerful is less about pedophilia than it is about power. And of being the type of person who enjoys and craves the position of absolute dominion over another person. And the ability to act in a way absolutely forbidden by society, in overt defiance of the law and all morality, and to do so with impunity. Of being not “outside” the law, but “above” it. Of not just being immoral, but “above” morality – that sense of “morality is for lesser beings.” Of not just abusing another person, but of doing so with such an enomour differential in power and status.. that seeing this weekness in those they abuse makes them feel powerful.

          I know something of this mindset – remember, I grew up with a sadistic sociopath for a brother – I understand this kind of thinking. I understand this need to make others feel small so that you feel big. This kind of thing is a completely logical outgrowth of that mindset.

          I would suggest that this is much more about deviance for the sake of deviance and abuse for the sake of abuse than it is about actual sexual attraction to young women children.

          And I would suggest that this is – exactly – the kind of person you LEAST want to hand more power to.

          But considering the last guy that got his Intel from the news and you were silent, it’s no surprise.

          Huh?

  11. Ray Hawkins says:

    Care less if accused of ageism….but…..I look at Joe and I feel like I’m looking at a feeble, frail but sorta lovable elderly relative – unsure how much more time gramps has and patiently listening to stories retold many times over, slightly sad that a once robust man is seemingly no more. Joe seems like a DNC prop, a part-timer that’ll give way to a Veep mid-term if elected.

    If you thought 2016 was a choice between 2 evils – then what is 2020?

    And don’t think for a sec that Trump and company give a shit about how they sound attacking Joe based on age/competence. Republicans have owned their asses on messaging – Lakoff and gang have been whining about that for decades.

  12. Mathius says:

    • Mathius….what the hell set you off today? By reposting the above, you just called most of SUFA “Trump zombies”? And garbage people? You are really calling everyone who doesn’t see things your way GARBAGE PEOPLE??

      I’m throwing the BS flag BIG TIME on this one. If Bill Clinton could be the Dem nominee this year against Trump, ALL Dems would vote for him. They would overlook anything in the past he has done, or allegedly done, and fall all over themselves stampeding to the voting booths, PRAYING to defeat Trump.

      Are you going to tell me you wouldn’t, Mathius? I love ya, man, but the more I read what you just posted, the angrier I feel.

      It’s just pure pretend moral high ground BULLSHIT!

      I better go calm down with a DP or something.

      Murf

      • Its Five o’clock somewhere.

      • Mathius says:

        You are really calling everyone who doesn’t see things your way GARBAGE PEOPLE??

        Yes.

        If Clinton was the nominee today, and he was guilty of sexually molesting a child (not just conspiracy theories, but actually did it), then I want him in jail.

        I do not care if he’s “my nominee” nor whether that will hand the nomination over to the Red Team.

        If he is a child molester, he belongs in jail. Period. There are no other considerations to that equation, and I do not care that he’s running for President.

        And any DEMOCRAT who says otherwise is ALSO a garbage person.

        If Bill Clinton could be the Dem nominee this year against Trump, ALL Dems would vote for him.

        The only way he gets my vote is if it’s too late to take his name off the ballot and, through some technicality, a vote for him really means a vote for Al Gore for President.

        If Bill Clinton could be the Dem nominee this year against Trump, ALL Dems would vote for him.

        I wouldn’t vote for Trump over Clinton, but I sure as hell would vote 3rd party. I’ve done it before, and I’d do it again.

        If you offer me a choice between two candidates who are deal-breakers for me, I can’t pick “the lesser of two evils.” They’re deal-breakers. I’ll stay home or vote Green or something. Hell, I’ll vote for Kanye West over Clinton / Trump at this point.

        They would overlook anything in the past he has done, or allegedly done, and fall all over themselves stampeding to the voting booths, PRAYING to defeat Trump.

        Yes. Yes they would.

        And, in so doing, they would be complicit in his crimes.

        They would be saying “winning is more important than the sexual victimization of a child.”

        And people who say that are garbage. Red, Blue, Green, or Pink-Polkadot. Garbage, the lot of them.

        Are you going to tell me you wouldn’t, Mathius?

        There’s a difference between “suspicion” and “conspiracy theory” and “accused” and “credibly accused” and and and and and..

        If I – VOTER MATHIUS – cannot find it within myself to reasonably believe in his innocence of child molestation, then, no, I cannot vote for that candidate.

        I have oft said that I am not voting for a friend, and that I would vote for an ax murderer if he supported my positions. Anita (I believe) called me to the mat on that one. Called me right out on this exact point. I do have a bright red line, it seems. She was 100% right, that this is a line I cannot cross.

        Child molesters do not get my vote.

        And I am deeply aware of allegations and rumors about Biden. I have no doubt that he is a deviant and has some troubling past. Was he that bad? I don’t know. It really – in practice – doesn’t matter because I live in NY and we’re going Blue no matter what. I don’t like what I see, but I remain unconvinced either way. But, since my vote doesn’t matter, I’ll probably wind up voting 3rd party in the fall.

        I don’t want to look back in 8 years and realize I voted for a child rapist when I should have known better.

        I love ya, man,

        I love ya, too, lady!

        It’s just pure pretend moral high ground BULLSHIT!

        Well, for starters, it’s not my tweet. But I do align fairly well with the sentiment (even if I might have been a bit softer in the language and high-horsing.

        That said, it’s not pretend. Not for me.

        I do agree with you – completely – that it’s much easier to stand on the high ground and say “you shouldn’t support X” when it’s their guy and not yours who is guilty of X. And I completely agree that almost everyone on Blue Team would look the other way if the shoe were on the other foot (just as everyone on Red Team would suddenly rediscover their moral outrage and denounce the Blue voters for their moral turpitude).

        But I won’t cross that line.

        I better go calm down with a DP or something.

        Try a Red Bull instead!

        • Mathius says:

          Just a point of clarification, lest anyone’s head is exploding…

          A salient point here is whether YOU, the voter, believe it to be true or are willfully in denial or know and just don’t care.

          For example, there is almost no way to credibly believe that Clinton isn’t a lecher who used his power and position for sexual advantage. Certainly, some of that was mutual (power is an aphrodisiac), but some of it was less than mutual.

          How much less? I don’t know.

          And it is well established that he had links to noted pedophile ringleader Epstein.

          Do I find it plausible to believe that he didn’t engage in some sexual misconductmolestation… child abuse?

          No. I do not.

          But I can see that others might.

          LIKEWISE, almost to a T… Trump is a lecher who has used his power and position (financial rather than political heretofore) for sexual advantage. Certainly, some of that was mutual (wealth is an aphrodisiac), but some of that was less than mutual.

          How much less? I don’t know.

          And it is well established that he had links to noted pedophile ringleader Epstein.

          Do I find it plausible to believe that he didn’t engage in some sexual misconductmolestation… child abuse?

          No. I do not.

          But I can see that others might.

          I can see how some people might look at the links and the accusations and say “no, my guy wouldn’t do that,” and just not believe it. Or set the bar for believing it just a little bit higher.

          And those people are fine with me.

          I have no problem with “innocent until proven guilty.”

          I have a problem when the evidence is all but undeniable and someone buries their head in the sand and goes “nu uh!” Or when they set separate standards of proof for “your team” vs “my team.” “Oh, yea, Clinton definitely raped a bunch of kids, but Trump is just being set up!” Screw that.

          But if you’re intellectually honest, and you can’t be convinced by the available evidence one way or another, I don’t hold that against you.

          So, what I’m saying here, let me be clear, is that if you believe in your heart-of-hearts that “your guy” is a child rapist and you still vote for him, then you are garbage.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      So, was Trump on Epstein’s island with 12 year olds? I must have missed that one. I often wonder why ALL of the allegations against Trump have mostly just blown away along with the Russia, Russia Russia thing. Of course some people like Omar and AOC might be right. He could have CNN the NYT the WaPo and MSNBC all in his pocket.

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  16. The missus is making me a mask, since we now have to wear them in places……..it will be embroidered…..and it will say…..”Look here, Snowflake, I am wearing the mask. Happy?

  17. View at Medium.com

    I found this interesting. Not claiming its gospel, but interesting and informative.

  18. What is privilege?

    Privilege is wearing $200 sneakers when you have never had a job.

    Privilege is wearing 300 Beats headphones while living on public assistance.

    Privilege is having a smart phone with a data plan and you receive no bill.

    Privilege is living in public subsidized housing where you do not have a water bill and where rising property taxes and rents and energy costs have absolutely no effect on the amount of food you can put on the table.

    Privilege is being able to go march against or protest against anything that triggers you without worrying about calling out of work and the consequences that accompany such behavior.

    Privilege is having as many children as you want, regardless of your employment status, and be able to send them off to daycare or school that you do not pay for.

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  19. Let’s go to Vegas on these odds

    Texas Covid deaths as a percentage to population – .0000919

    Texas Covid Deaths in Tarrant County where I used to live – .000112

    Texas Covid deaths in Parker county where I now live – .00000654

    Therefore, with these odds, I have a 99.9998465 chance of winning.

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      Let’s go to Vegas…

      I suppose you were being flippant, but you know that’s not how this works, right?

      Car crashes as a percentage of deaths in a given year are X.

      People who drive recklessly tend to die at higher rates.

      People who don’t take basic safety precautions tend to die at higher rates.

      Elderly tend to die at higher rates.

      The infirm – those with preexisting conditions – tend to die at higher rates.

      Even if it doesn’t kill you, it can easily have life-long consequences.

      And if you keep driving, year after year, your olds of eventually dying keep going up as there are still idiots out there who can kill you with their idiocy and lack of care.

      It’s actually a fairly apt metaphor.

      In short, while cars aren’t quite the deathtraps they might be made out to be, when you hop behind the wheel, you put not just yourself, but everyone else at risk. Consequently, you should take care not to be more of a threat than absolutely necessary. And, more ot the point, if there are lots of people out there driving like jackasses, the streets become incredibly dangerous no matter how cautious you are.

      So, I guess, all I’m saying is that it doesn’t hurt NOT to drive like an asshole.

      • All I am saying is I’m going to Vegas…..I like the odds…..so far. Even a professional “craps” shooter knows that the odds catch up sooner or later……but right now, the odds worth it because the tourists are lower in number…….but the odds are always moving. I know this.

        It is not going to keep me outta Vegas…well, actually Reno, this time. The National Bowling Tournament is still scheduled to re-start in September….plan on meeting T Ray and JAC, if possible….break some bread. Trash Mathius ( which I know that you are ok with ) and the left…..talk against liberals……maybe I will even have an actual drink. I checked with Truckee, California and they are still open right now……Not too sure about the cuisine once in California. It is foo foo food from what I understand but being in the mountains of Northern California, I think that I am safe for a lunch meeting…..then we will head up JAC’s way.

        I do have a Letter of Marque to help Idaho get rid of California Liberals that have invaded. You are, of course, invited to join. I did hear that Mathius has banished you from California. But that should not bother a Pirate like you that navigates the bay in China. I just want to know how you got under those bridges without ripping your masts off.

  20. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    There are 35 year olds out there who will be wearing masks in public because they are “afraid” and will be doing it until they go into the box or burner at 90.

    Quite sad. This is a temporary affliction. It will as the president says just “disappear”. There will never be a vaccine any more effective for it than the ordinary flu vaccine. The coronavirus morphs constantly. Been here before, will be back and the odds are that it will be a lesser strain.

    There still is a lot of actual scientific speculation that this was an engineered strain. Not intended to do what it did but unlike almost any other virus before, it attacks a variety of organs,. THAT is something very new. I do wonder though whether I could trust the CDC et al to tell us the truth. The truth would require the West acting against an even more evil empire than the one we evicted from Moscow.

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      There are 35 year olds out there who will be wearing masks in public because they are “afraid” and will be doing it until they go into the box or burner at 90.

      Certainly some – many – people are wearing masks because they are afraid.

      But some – many – are aware that masks, generally prevent the spread more than the contraction of the disease.

      Many of these people, like my idiot namesake, are not so much afraid of getting sick as they are attempting to be considerate human beings who don’t spread disease unnecessarily.

      I used to see a lot more libertarianism in these parts.. SUFA used to have a distinctly anti-government bent before it went and got hooked to the TrumpTrain. But I can’t help realizing now just how unprepared you people are for a truly “small government,” “VLDG,” “libertarianism,” or straight “anarchy.” If you can’t even be bothered to be decent and considerate humans to your fellow man, when you are asked for such a modest inconvenience.. if you view those who are attempting to be good to their fellow man as sad and pathetic cowards when, right or wrong, THEY are the ones self-sacrificing to protect others out of the goodness and decency of their hearts.. how could you ever handle the BURDENS of living in a polite, mutually respecting society free of the control of your ruling class?

      You deserve to be ruled by your government.

      • Oh stop already. Here you go with your social scoring. You don’t get to transfer your moral burden to anyone. I’m a decent and considerate human being by keeping my distance.

        • He’s a Pirate…what does he know? the following statement is short sighted. But I can’t help realizing now just how unprepared you people are for a truly “small government,” “VLDG,” “libertarianism,” or straight “anarchy.” If you can’t even be bothered to be decent and considerate humans to your fellow man, when you are asked for such a modest inconvenience. The mandatory wearing of anything is not small government. It is not Libertarian and it is not VLDG. It is BIG Government. No one has “ASKED” for a small inconvenience. It has been DEMANDED. And, it has been DEMANDED under penalty of disobedience. There has been an economic shutdown, not voluntary, but UNDER ORDERS and PENALTY. This is BIG Government. And it was not a “small inconvenience”.

          Your own namesake has even said that this could be a “new normal”. In other words, Big Government has said so…thereby…OBEY! This IS INDEED a burden. But it is a burden imposed by BIG GOVERNMENT. And now they are posting a list of exactly whom has been profiting from these edicts…..and it ain’t Republicans. You should see this list…including the Biden’s.

          So, take your moral epiphany and shove it in the barrel of your 9 pounder and fire it out to sea. It does not wash.

          If a business wished to require the wearing of masks….so be it. That is their choice and I have a choice of going there or not going there. I live in a county where there has been ONE (1) death. I live in a county where the Covid positive is .000098. There is no friggin need for the structure that is being imposed. If I wish to go into Tarrant County and it requires masks, then I will wear one.

          I do not need a government or a scientist or a scurvy Pirate trying to impose their own sense of morality or judgement. I am intelligent enough to stay away from the idiots in mass. I know how to combat a bad cold…and that is all this is and it is mutating already. A regular flu season is about to be upon us and I can see the uproar now. I saw the pictures of the young ones in the bars….and that was about as stupid a move as can be. The bar wants to remain open…bully for them. The STUPID ONES went to the bars and beaches without any form of FRIGGING COMMON SENSE. Stay away, if you do not like it but do not issue edicts.

          • Colonel, I wrote several replies last night that got erased because I kept ended up bumbling through, but they all said about the same as what you just wrote. Only thing I could add to your comment is that my attitude toward masks would be different if the death rate was more like 50% or more. I had an attitude like Murf had yesterday.

          • Mathius says:

            In some – many – cases, they’ve required the wearing of masks, but not all.

            There are hundreds of videos online of stores requiring them as a matter of policy featuring pissed off entitled “conservatives” who can’t handle that fact attempting to barge and demand service without the mask. There is a whole cottage industry producing BS “badges” to try to misuse the ADA as a way to demand service from businesses without wearing masks.

            You, personally, are not required to wear a mask in public, I believe, and you choose not to do so. No one is forcing your hand, there is no “big government” making you do so. You simply choose not to do so.

            And, even if the government were forcing you to do so, you could simply shrug and say “well I don’t like that they’re telling me to do X, but X is the right thing to do, so I’ll do it anyway.” I mean, the government tells you not to murder people, and you don’t murder people.. not because they say not to, but because, well, you understand that murdering is bad. Right?

            The point, generally, is this: presented a small self sacrifice for a potential large societal reward, “conservatives” have shown that they will not only adamantly and proudly choose themselves over society, but will do so by going to absurd extremes, will bitch and moan and cry and scream about their rights to choose themselves over society, and… worst of all… will look at those who choose society over themselves and ridicule them for their decision.

            If this were the London Blitz, liberals would be the ones turning out their lights. “Conservatives” would be demanding the right to have outdoor floodlit parties. Liberals would look at this and push to have the government turn off the power. “Conservatives” would then buy portable generators and try to have even bigger light-shows while mocking the liberals for being cowards. All the while never realizing or caring that the bombers that they might be helping to guide in won’t just land on themselves, but on others.

            • Put up some links on these videos, I’d like to see some.

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              • OK, a lady in N. Hollywood with a medical problem. Can you actually come up with something a bit better.

              • Mathius says:

              • Mathius says:

                OK, a lady in N. Hollywood with a medical problem. Can you actually come up with something a bit better.

                For a woman with a “medical problem,” she sure seems to be perfectly able to scream enough..

                OK, a lady in N. Hollywood with a medical problem. Can you actually come up with something a bit better.

                Also bullshit.

                https://www.businessinsider.com/anti-maskers-say-they-cant-wear-masks-because-medical-conditions-2020-5

                OK, a lady in N. Hollywood with a medical problem. Can you actually come up with something a bit better.

                Also, bullshit.

                Sec. 36.208 Direct threat.

                (a) This part does not require a public accommodation to permit an individual to participate in or benefit from the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages and accommodations of that public accommodation when that individual poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others.

                (b) In determining whether an individual poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others, a public accommodation must make an individualized assessment, based on reasonable judgment that relies on current medical knowledge or on the best available objective evidence, to ascertain: The nature, duration, and severity of the risk; the probability that the potential injury will actually occur; and whether reasonable modifications of policies, practices, or procedures or the provision of auxiliary aids or services will mitigate the risk.

              • I watched 3 of the 4. NOWHERE does it show that any of them are conservative.

              • A Karen is a liberal white woman who thinks she is privileged. EPIC fail Mathius.

              • Mathius says:

                Watch that first one again.. she goes off on Democratic [something]… the last one says there’s no virus and something something liberals.. as for the other two, well.. I suppose it could go either way, technically.. but the “my freedoms!” and anti-mask is really more on the right. It’s basically be led by Trump. While, yes, you’re right, we can’t “prove” these are “conservatives,” we can take a reasonable guess.

                If someone’s berating a clerk for being homophobic, we don’t need them to be wearing a Bernie Sanders hat to make a reasonable guess that they’re probably on the left.

                ————

                THAT SAID, and I apologize if I’ve been inconsistent here.. I am distinguishing between “conservatives” and conservatives. I trust you can take my meaning.

                TRUE Conservatives are not shitbags throwing hissyfits at the grocery store because they don’t want to comply with a store policy.

              • I also find it interesting that you claim these videos are of “entitled conservatives”, yet all but one have no reference to indicate ANY political leanings. If there are so many, why could you only apparently find one? The fact that you posted four and passed them all off as conservatives tells a lot about YOUR bias.

                Murf

              • I don’t care if you pick up trash on the road. I don’t care if you wear a mask. I don’t care if you drive an electric car. I do care if these things are mandated by big government. And yes, masks and green energy are mandated by big government. My electric bills are higher because of the mandate. My taxes go to subsidize green energy solutions such as roof top solar and electric cars. Why? Because elitists like you, Mathius, think there is a remote chance the global warming theories are correct hence we must spend trillions to combat it using methods that have absolutely not chance of changing anything. In fact the methods being pursued do more harm than good.

              • Mathius says:

                Murf,

                yet all but one have no reference to indicate ANY political leanings.

                Two of the videos explicitly bashed Democrats / liberals. The other two, you’re right. I’m sure I could find others, but I really just grabbed the first four I saw.

                But as I said to Anita, if someone is shouting at a clerk for being homophoic, you can reasonably guess they’re on the left. If they’re screaming about their rights and oppression and that the virus is a hoax, etc, we can reasonably guess they’re on the right.

                Proof? No.

                Stereotyping? Yes.

                Will there be errors and crossover? Yes.

                But, GENERALLY, it’s not unreasonable as far as assumptions work in a world with imperfect information. The “left” is taking the disease far more seriously than the “right.” And that explicitly includes the Dear Leader who refuses to wear a mask and has been playing down the virus since February. The anti-mask movement isn’t coming from the left.

            • You can make all the leaps you want.You pour chicken grease onto the slippery slope. My right to breathe freely is unalienable.

              • Mathius says:

                Your right to breathe isn’t being infringed upon.

                Don’t like it, don’t go into those stores.

                But, again, I’m not talking about “rights” here. I’m talking about doing something good for the mutual benefit of society, and “conservatives” (as distinct from actual conservatives) have clearly demonstrated that they are completely unwilling to make minor self-sacrifices for the (potential) mutual benefit of society.

                They have shown that, when push comes to shove, they don’t actually care about society. Only themselves.

                Whether the government forces you to wear a mask or not, whether it’s a store policy or not.. it costs you almost nothing to do, and it might – MIGHT – help save a life. And the more people who do it more regularly, the more effective it is. And every person who defies the communal sacrifice weakens and negates the effectiveness of those who DO do their part. How is it even a question? It doesn’t hurt you – it might slightly annoy you – and it can save lives. It can help get to the re-opening phase quicker. It can save businesses. It can protect those with weakened immune systems and those with real disabilities and pre-existing conditions and the elderly. And all it costs you is a bit of fabric over your face when you’re at the Piggly Wiggly.

                And then, again, almost worse than the SELFISHNESS and wilful disdain for public interest is that these “conservatives” actively mock those who DO try to do their part. Or they make rules for their stores banning masks. Or they deliberately throw big exposed parties. Maybe the mask-wearers are wrong. Maybe they do nothing. But they’re TRYING to do something good and helpful for society and their fellow man. They’re wearing that annoying piece of fabric because they believe that it helps strangers they’ve never met. They’re wearing it for you. That’s called altruism. And for “conservatives” to mock this – to view it as weakness… it’s beyond my comprehension.

                Why – WHY – would anyone denigrate people for trying to do something good for society? Why would anyone go out of their way to undermine their efforts?

                If you see a man cleaning up trash by the side of the road, sure that’s not going to “fix” the whole problem, but he’s trying to do something good for everyone. Why would you drive home, pick up your trash, bring it back, and dump it on the road next to him? Why would you point and laugh at him for trying to do something good? Why would you look down at him? He should be a role model.

                It’s such a simple calculation – and the fact that “conservatives” can’t handle it just proves that they can’t handle the free society they fantasize about.

                ———

                It reminds me of people who “roll coal.”

                Sure, maybe you don’t believe in global warming. I can see how that’s debatable. Maybe you think the liberals are wrong and CO2 is harmless and fine.

                But the environmentalists are TRYING to do something good for everyone. They’re TRYING to protect society and everyone in it. And they’re sacrificing, too.

                But then some people find it a good idea to go out of their way to pay money to have their trucks retrofit to burn coal and pollute extra.. why? Just to be assholes. Mah Free-dumbs!

                Why mock and undermine people who are TRYING to do the right thing for everyone?

                What the hell is wrong with people?

                If you look at people self-sacrificing and TRYING to do something good for society and total strangers and you see them as weak and worthy of mockery, if you feel the urge to go out and undermine them just to stick it to them, then you have no idea how to build a society.

      • I still don’t much care for the government, especially Congress and our idiot governor. But I like Trump because of how much he gets ya’lls panties in a wad, even when the story is fake news. TDS is alive and going to be around for awhile, so I may as well enjoy it.

        As far as what other people think, screw them, I don’t give a rats ass what people I don’t know think. It’s not my job to protect anyone who is afraid of getting sick. If it’s a problem for them, stay the hell home and be afraid.

        As far as anarchism, that’s only happening in Democrat areas, of which I’m nowhere close to. Ya’ll can kill each other at will, no matter to me, although I feel sorry for the decent people caught up in the mess the Crats have created. 5 kids dead the last weekend, all black. Where’s the protests? Not going to happen because BLM is nothing more than a Left Wing Marxist political organization that is playing on black peoples emotions to advance their ideology, so, screw BLM too.

        I can’t help the problems black people have. If they can’t figure out that voting Democrat for the last half Century or more isn’t working, then it’s gonna keep sucking to be them. Once again, not my problem. You seem to think that you know what the black community is feeling (pretty amazing for a pasty white liberal elitist), maybe you should start volunteering and teach them whats best for them (sarcasm intended).

        • Mathius says:

          But I like Trump because of how much he gets ya’lls panties in a wad

          • That is the best example of Liberal projectionism I have seen yet, well done Mathius.

            • Sadly many liberals are pompous know it alls. They have all the answers and are always right. When shown to be wrong, they changes subject and deflect. The common masks do not prevent one for getting the virus. They reduce the risk of someone who is already sick from spreading it through aerosol emissions. So if you are not sick, wearing the mask does nothing. The idea that one can be asymptomatic and spread the disease is debatable. If you do not have enough virus in your system to make you sick then the odds of spreading it are substantially lower.

              All of this is based upon statistics, the odds that you exhale the virus, the odds that the environment does not disperse or kill it, the odds that the virus will reach a recipient, the odds the virus gets past the bodies external defense mechanisms and the odds that the body will not immediately kill the virus once it enters the body.

              I live in a county of 200,000 people with 260 cases and no deaths. I am healthy and not infected. My state demands I wear a mask. I am not asked to wear it. I am told I must wear it. Being a middle child, that just goes against my nature.

              • Mathius says:

                The common masks do not prevent one for getting the virus. They reduce the risk of someone who is already sick from spreading it through aerosol emissions.

                JESUS H. CHRIST! THAT’S THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT!

                Have you not read a word I’ve been saying? I keep saying it – generally speaking, you wear a mask to protect OTHERS, not yourself. You want them to wear one to protect YOU.

                Why is it so insane to think that people should wear a mask to protect other people? Why is this a novel and somehow discrediting notion? “Well I’m not going to do it because it helps others and not (as much) myself!”

                So if you are not sick, wearing the mask does nothing.

                Except that you can be contagious and asymptomatic.

                The idea that one can be asymptomatic and spread the disease is debatable.

                it’s reallllly not.

                Even if it’s not present in “all” cases, the idea that it’s not present in some cases is just unrealistic. Per the CDC: “People can shed the virus before they have symptoms, but this is generally less than individuals with symptoms.”

                Or, as Sheldon Cooper put it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5UY8Xrg6ec

                The idea that one can be asymptomatic and spread the disease is debatable.

                Even if – IF – it were debatable, it’s still “debatable” and the fact remains that you MIGHT be spewing trillions of virii into the air unknowingly and infecting the people around you.

                All of this is based upon statistics, the odds that you exhale the virus, the odds that the environment does not disperse or kill it, the odds that the virus will reach a recipient, the odds the virus gets past the bodies external defense mechanisms and the odds that the body will not immediately kill the virus once it enters the body.

                You missed initial load… if you only receive a single virus, your odds of contracting the disease are de minimus. But if you get a ton of it, you’ll stand a much higher chance of contracting. That’s why proximity and length of exposure are so important.

                All of this is based upon statistics, the odds that you exhale the virus, the odds that the environment does not disperse or kill it, the odds that the virus will reach a recipient, the odds the virus gets past the bodies external defense mechanisms and the odds that the body will not immediately kill the virus once it enters the body.

                Yes… and there are… ::checks Google::…. 132,000 dead Americans (and counting) to testify that those odds are non-zero.

                I am healthy and not infected.

                You THINK you are healthy and not infected. Given the dearth of cases in your town, you’re probably right.

                But you can’t possibly KNOW that.

                You might be infected and not know it. You might be pre-symptomatic. You might be a-symptomatic. Maybe you’ll catch it tomorrow and won’t find out until after you’ve spread it to your whole family.

                I am not asked to wear it. I am told I must wear it.

                You’re also told not to drink and drive.

                The Man tells you all kinds of things you’re not allowed to do because it’s a danger, potential danger, or credibly might be a danger to other people.

                Why is THIS the hill to die on?

                Are you also demanding the RIGHT to drink and drive? “I drive an Abrams M1A2, so drinking and driving really is no threat to me, and anyway, it’s a risk I’m willing to take, so no one should tell me I can’t do it!!” … Ok, but you’re not the only one your actions put at risk.

                Being a middle child, that just goes against my nature.

                Well… I mean… ok…. I can’t argue with that one…

              • QED, you are a pompous elitist who thinks he is always right. Typical liberal.

                While the self aggrandizing Trumps of the world set you off pompous elitists set me off.

              • Good lord, people should wear masks if they’re in a crowded situation. Whether the government should be able to force people, considering their propensity to go nuts whenever they have the power to do anything is always a reasonable argument.

              • Mathius says:

                QED, you are a pompous elitist

                Well… yes… I don’t think I’ve ever denied this…

                who thinks he is always right.

                I most certainly do not.

                But I’m not claiming to be “right” here.. I’m saying that there’s, even if I’m wrong, that the cost in negligible vs the gain.

                I really cannot understand how that’s complicated.

                Typical liberal.

                There is nothing “typical” about me, sir!

                While the self aggrandizing Trumps of the world set you off pompous elitists set me off.

                Can’t help ya.

              • Mathius says:

                Good lord, people should wear masks if they’re in a crowded situation.

                Whether the government should be able to force people, considering their propensity to go nuts whenever they have the power to do anything is always a reasonable argument.

                YES!

                ABSOLUTELY!

                And a completely separate issue from what I’m talking about.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        DPM

        What a strange “requirement” to be “prepared” to live under VDLG or Libertarian Govt. One HAS TO be considerate of others?

        Sorry mate, but there are NO REQUIREMENTS made on anyone except you cannot initiate the use of force and you must adhere to the rights of others to have and control their property.

        While being considerate or polite would be nice it is not a requirement at all. Each person is free to do as they think necessary for their happiness. If you want to be a grumpy old curmudgeon then so be it. I will not do business with you. I will associate with those who are nice and polite. My choice…..your choice.

        If I don’t want to wear a mask then stay away from me. If you own a business and think it really helps then require masks. I will go down the street to the store that doesn’t.

        You seem to be confusing the emotional remnants in your psyche, from your host, with freedom.

        By the way, I have not seen anyone rebelling against wearing masks because they were “asked” or it was “suggested”. It was because GOVT…..BIG GOVT……… made it mandatory and was threatening FORCE be used against those not complying.

        • Mathius says:

          Sorry mate, but there are NO REQUIREMENTS made on anyone except you cannot initiate the use of force and you must adhere to the rights of others to have and control their property.

          It very much is true.

          If you do not care about your fellow man, if you act only in a selfish and me-centric way, society cannot function.

          HEY! Who’s the jackass upstream from me who polluted the water I need for drinking? Welp.. I guess I’ll just dump my trash in the river.. that sounds like someone else’s problem.

          By the way, I have not seen anyone rebelling against wearing masks because they were “asked” or it was “suggested”. It was because GOVT…..BIG GOVT……… made it mandatory and was threatening FORCE be used against those not complying.

          I get that – I do.

          But that fact doesn’t change the ask.

          Just because it’s “government” telling you not to drive drunk doesn’t change the fact that, you know, you shouldn’t drive drunk.

          You should wear a mask because you should wear a mask. It’s a minor inconvenience and discomfort in exchange for (potentially) helping to slow the spread of the disease and save lives and get to the re-opening phase a lot sooner.

          And, to be clear, even if YOUR marginal contribution is minor, CUMULATIVELY, if everyone wore masks, it would be far more effective. (especially if they’d wear them correctly).

          I certainly – CERTAINLY – understand the kneejerk “well now I’m not gonna do it!” mentality.

          But it doesn’t change the fact that – told or asked – the request/demand is that they do something small to help their fellow man, and they simply can’t bring themselves to do it.

          If we’re in the London Blitz and the government tells you to turn off your lights, turn off your damned lights. Maybe it’ll help. Maybe it won’t. But it can’t hurt. And if you insist on undercutting everyone who is trying to do the right thing just because you’re pissed that you were forced to do so, that doesn’t make it any better.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            “If you do not care about your fellow man, if you act only in a selfish and me-centric way, society cannot function.” Of course it can. And it does all the time. Because MOST people really are acting per their own selfish desires.

            Society is a created thing, a word to describe a group of people with similar customs. How does this happen? Individual acting in their own interest. Give and take between them….trading in goods and ideas.

            “But it doesn’t change the fact that – told or asked – the request/demand is that they do something small to help their fellow man, and they simply can’t bring themselves to do it.”

            NO SIR…….. this is you thinking you can read minds again (how is that for a Black Flag moment?). You have no idea why each person is rebelling against the mask, no idea. I am guessing that even some of them don’t know at this point. Just pushing back against the SYSTEM.

            Now do you understand the falsity of the following? “You should wear a mask because you should wear a mask. It’s a minor inconvenience and discomfort in exchange for (potentially) helping to slow the spread of the disease and save lives and get to the re-opening phase a lot sooner.”

            Now for some reality, not the stuff you are watching on your internet or TV. In this Reddest of places in the Reddest State in the Union, I would estimate that about 50% of people, maybe more, are wearing masks in public places, like stores. And NONE of these stores are requiring masks. The wearing of masks is increasing and our spread of Covid is on the rise.

            It is due to young folks gathering in large numbers in the bars and eateries. It is also due to the fact we cannot stop people from Washington or other places from coming here.

            • JAC's Daughter says:

              It is also due to the fact we cannot stop people from Washington or other places from coming here.

              I wonder if he’s trying to tell me something here….🤔

        • Mathius says:

          JAC,

          Do you have the ability to summons the old (original) pirate? I’d love to get his take on this.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            I think I pretty much summarized his view. He would add the idea of “shaming” as a tool of the masses, however. He never agreed with me that “shaming” or “boycotts” were forms of FORCE.

            The issue of “society” vs. the “individual” is a long standing debate. A pandemic or epidemic is a perfect situation for bringing the apparent conflicts to light. But are they really conflicts?

            Each INDIVIDUAL should act according to objective reality for their long term happiness. This would include health, obviously. The conflict is really that of the attitudes or cultural bias of one side (modern Liberal) vs the other (modern Conservatives). Or in your words, Society vs. Individual.

            If each of us acts in our own self interest then the voluntary wearing of masks would not be an issue. The issue you are struggling with and against is the “objective reality” of wearing vs. not wearing. And you are fighting against the impact of MANDATORY actions by overreaching Govt.

            You are projecting personality disorders on people, the elitist claim against you, without knowledge of their situations. In fact, you ignore the effect of the past three to four months of MANDATES has had on the “general population”. Maybe it is actually you must wear a mask types who are being inconsiderate of others (society’s) more pressing needs at the moment.

            Now for some objective reality:

            1. Most of us will get this virus. The question is how fast at this point.

            2. If a large number get serious symptoms it could overwhelm the hospitals and emergency care facilities.

            3. The effectiveness of these homemade masks is dubious and certainly not tested objectively. Especially given how people use them.

            4. The CDC still maintains there is little chance of infection if we maintain 6 to 10 feet between us while in public. Assuming NO mask.

            Now primarily given 1 and 2 the only question is whether the wearing of masks can prevent the situation in 2. Because number 1 is inevitable.

            Given number 3 we do not know if masks will prevent number 2. But we do know that if we practice distancing, number 4, it does reduce spread. How do we know this? Because we reduced the spread rates BEFORE the mandatory mask wearing BS was implemented.

            If I look out for my interests and you look out for yours then we BOTH should be just fine.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            PS: I am afraid I have lost the ability to summon the Pirate Black Flag. He went dark some time back.

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              You need to draw a Spanish Galleon on the pavement with blood. It doesn’t have to be your blood, but it helps. Chalk will do in a pinch. Encase the Galleon in a pentagram and place a gold doubloon at each order (if you are having trouble, you can double-up the doubloons or add silver eagles). Atop the mast, place a copy of Atlas Shrugged with a bookmark on the page where Dagny discovers Galt’s Gulch. Next, print out some forms from the DMV, complete these in triplicate and then burn them with incense (the incense isn’t strictly necessary, but it adds a nice ambiance). Around this whole mess, create a circle out of ample amounts of black powder. Ignite the powder with the burning DMV forms.

              Step back slowly and carefully, and, if he phase of the moon is correct, he will emerge from his lead-lined bunker to give you a 3,000-word essay on why you are a moron and he alone knows the great truths of the universe and the human condition.

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Hmmm,… Is JAC the only one who can do this, because his blood runs through these veins…

              • Mathius says:

                DPM: You should use blood for this.

                Mathius: Your own blood?

                DPM: Yes, I use my own blood.

                Mathius: But is it YOUR blood?

                DPM: …. it is blood that is mine, yes.

                Mathius: Ok… but did it come from you?

                DPM: That’s not important.

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Not sure if this is going to work….

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Nope….How do I post a jpg?

              • Mathius says:

                Just paste the URL ending in .jpg or some other simple picture format (gif / png / etc). MP4 won’t work.

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Struggling with this, not tech savvy. It’s saved on my computer, does it have a URL?

              • Mathius says:

                Ah.. .got it… the colonel had the same issue.

                1. Open a new tab and go to Imgur.com.
                (If you want to have control over the image, make an account and log in.. otherwise, it’s just uploaded and there forever and you can’t delete it)

                2. Drag your picture onto the page (it should change showing that it’s accepting an upload).

                3. Once it shows up, wait an additional second, then right click and say open image in new tab.

                4. At the top of the page, there will be a URL (eg, where we have https://standupforamerica.wordpress.com/BlahBlahBlah).

                5. Copy THAT (Imgur.com/BlahBlah.jpg) and paste it here.

              • JAC's Daughter says:

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Thanks, Mathius!! 🙂

              • Dread Pirate Mathius says:

                AHAHAHA AH HAHAHAH HAA!!

                Arrgh!

                ‘Tis a thing o’ beauty!

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                Fingers crossed the Pirate Black Flag sees it and the moon is right! 🤞

  21. U.S.—Leftists who support killing 3,000 babies a day were trying to virtue-signal but quickly ran into a problem: there’s no one alive to whom they can feel morally superior. So, the movement was forced to look to people from 200 years ago to find someone they could somewhat credibly criticize for moral failings.

    “We had a tough time finding people we could feel superior to that are currently living,” said Leaf Rivers, a white BLM activist in Portland as he googled “how to tear down a statue if you don’t have any muscles.” “So, we were forced to turn to the archives. Sure enough, we feel a lot better about our own moral issues when we compare ourselves to the moral failings of people from centuries ago.”

    “It’s the only way to keep any sense of self-righteousness.”

    “Look how much better we are than these people from hundreds of years ago!” the baby murder supporters shouted as a statue of Frederick Douglass came tumbling to the ground. Their virtue-signaling accomplished, they then returned to protesting for a woman’s right to kill her unborn baby at any time for any reason.

  22. Aisha Souri, of the Collin County Epidemiology Department in Texas, revealed the new definition of a probable case on May 18, in a leaked video sent by a whistleblower to Banned.Video. While confirmed cases stay the same, and require a PCR lab result with a confirmed diagnosis, the new probable case definition is wide-ranging.

    There are now 15 different ways a case could be counted as a probable COVID-19 case. For example, you could have close contact with someone who is a confirmed or probable case, and would now be counted in the total number of Texas COVID-19 cases.

    “You could be considered a case with or without symptoms,” Souri notes. If you come into a location where the virus is “endemic,” that could also count. At the moment, all of Texas falls under this definition.

    It is now also possible to have COVID-19 listed as the cause of death on a death certificate without a confirmed, positive lab result. These new probable cases are then added towards the total case count of COVID-19, allowing the numbers to potentially be massively inflated as a result

    https://nationalfile.com/video-texas-officials-admit-asymptomatic-covid-19-probable-cases-now-counted-in-total-case-number/

    • A press conference by Dr Deborah Birx earlier in the year also revealed just how the case numbers are being inflated, with Birx admitting that people who go to the hospital with COVID-19, then die of another ailment that may or may not be related to the diagnosis, are still listed as COVID-19 deaths:

      Let’s say the virus causes you to go to the ICU and then causes you to have a heart or kidney problem. Some countries are now recording that as a heart issue, or a kidney issue, and not a COVID 19 death. Right now we’re still recording it… The great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to mark it as a COVID 19 infection… If someone dies with COVID 19 then we are counting that as a COVID 19 death.

  23. Just saw an interesting issue on the local news. In Houston and Dallas, over the last two years, it appears that the old 1960’s “white flight” exodus is happening once again. The downtown apartments and new high rise and lofts are being abandoned and people are leaving for the “burbs”. The violence and the gangs have become emboldened and the new Democratic Mayor of Houston has de-fanged the police. People are moving out to where law enforcement is Sheriffs and Constables and not City police. Police units in Houston and Dallas refuse to go into some areas because it is not worth the risk. Even in Dallas, where it is black police officers assigned to black areas….refuse to go in.

    It is happening all over again. History does, indeed, repeat itself. Now these nice downtaown areas will become blights and eye sores……pity.

    • Their eating there own. My question is…since the Democratic Party is the party of slavery and fought against civil rights for blacks in the 60s, when will a name change for them be demanded?
      Or better yet, all of them and their memory removed, completely.

  24. Mathius says:

    Hey, raise your hand if you’ve ever heard of Simpson’s Paradox.

    ::crickets::

    Ok… well then… here we go…. Prepare to have your brain melt…

    Now…… who can take a guess as to why I’ve posted this..?

  25. Mathius says:

    Here’s a series of data points. They reflect a demographic / Wisconsin standardized testing scores / Texas standardized testing score:

    (higher numbers are better):
    Black / 120 / 137
    Hispanic / 138 / 145
    White / 166 / 169

    In all three cases, Texans scored higher than Wisconsinites / Wisconsonians / Wisconarians / Cheeseheads.

    Ok, so if I asked you the following question: Who has the better education system, you might answer…? Texas, right? Duh.

    Ok, fine…..

    But what is the overall score?

    All / 159 / 153

    Hmm… Ok, something funky here… now Wisconsin is scoring higher.

    So…. who has a better education system……………? What gives?

    • Common core liberal math 😛

    • WI has a higher population of whites.

      • Mathius says:

        Ding ding ding ding! Give the man a prize!

        Ok, now for the $64,000 question… why am I talking about this?

        • Because you need to demonstrate how superior you are just like Trump.

          • Mathius says:

            Because you need to demonstrate how superior you are

            I don’t think I’m “superior” in any way shape or for.

            I’m SMART.

            Honestly, I don’t see how that’s debatable. And I don’t see any need to hide behind false humility to pretend I’m an Average Joe.

            But that doesn’t make me “superior” to anyone else.

            just like Trump.

            I don’t think Trump could follow the reasoning of what you just intuited if his life depended on it.

            But, no, there’s a reason. Take a shot.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              You are going to try and rationalize an attempt to minimize the Black on Black murder rate when it is compared to the general population.

              • Mathius says:

                Ah… an interesting application… but no…

                Now, before you click this link, just know I’m not AGREEING with the guy – nor am I DISAGREEING.. but I AM saying that there’s some mathematical there-there and it sure as hell is interesting.

              • Mathius says:
              • Interesting link. I guess we will find out what happens when it happens.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              Re your good doctor. Here is the bottom line. His point of view, which is what you get from specialists who do not have to deal with the ramifications of shutting down.

              “Correct! At this point, the default is that “everyone” will get it in the US (50-70%). To prevent this we need to buy time for more and improved treatments and a vaccine.”

              One other point. I and others raised this statistical error/issue when they USA numbers were being driven by two or three states. This was used to bash POTUS. Now we are opening back up and all of a sudden this is important because states with growing problems haven’t as yet impacted the national numbers. But they will.

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    Thought for the morning:

    If CNN were my only source of news I would probably drink myself to death as quickly as possible. What a fall from grace they have accomplished.

    • Mathius says:

      CNN is.. not the best.

      They’re ok for some things… but anything politics, they just reek of desperation.

      What are your thoughts on Fox and OANN?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        I have not watched Fox in a long time. Just the videos of stuff like Carlson’s monologue. Never watched OAN but have seen some clips.

        The best, as in most objective source I have found on the political arena is Red State. Yes I know it is a “declared” Conservative site. But they do a good job of publishing actual information in there stories that is far more complete.

        But if forced to do it I would rate ALL the media today as D-.

        • Mathius says:

          The best, as in most objective source I have found on the political arena is Red State. Yes I know it is a “declared” Conservative site.

          … I’m banned from RedState … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Don’t feel bad. I left after being threatened several times for addressing a comment directly to an author. Started with Dear Mr. or Ms each time. NO matter.

            So I called the guy running the place a girly man and told him to grow the hell up.

            Needless to say I just read there. No comments from me.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius

    I apologize but it seems that once again you are in the mood for a good discussion on the day I am leaving for a fishing trip.

    I must go now. Will be back late Thursday or mid day Friday.

    Ya’ll have a good week.

  28. Mathius’s videos were fun to watch. They should be all gathered up for a TV special called “Attack of the Mask Nazis”

    Those that are attacking the ones not wearing masks, getting them riled up and screaming is making matters even worse than leaving them alone. Not very bright, but mask nazis aren’t all that smart.

  29. From today’s local DFW Fox News website:

    “Tuesday marks four years since a gunman killed five police officers in Downtown Dallas.

    The attack on July 7, 2016 was the deadliest attack on law enforcement in the United States since the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001.

    Roughly 800 people had gathered downtown for a peaceful protest that evening. Just before 9 p.m., a 25-year-old man with a military-style rifle began firing at police in the crowd.

    According to police, the shooter targeted white officers and was determined to kill as many as possible.“

    I post this as a remembrance of the five men, one of whom was a close friend and colleague of a family member who served on the Dallas police force. The devastation we felt was horrific as, two days later, we gathered for a grandson’s birthday. My grandson’s other grandfather was the police officer who trained with and served with the downed officer. We adults couldn’t speak of it for fear of turning his birthday party into a grief support group.

    I also post this to point out that the above article does not use the word “racist” to describe the stated motive of the shooter. Also no mention of the fact that he was black.

    And, in the days following, no riots, no one screaming about racism rampant in the black community, fueled by the MSM, BLM, NAACP, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton, etc, etc, etc. No businesses burned. No innocent children gunned down. No Autonomous Zone.

    The police found the gunman, and when he refused all attempts by them to surrender peacefully and continued to state his intent to kill as many white officers as possible, with no other options left, they took him out using a robot, so as not to endanger any more officers or citizens.

    Of course, the MSM criticized them for using the robot, calling it excessive force.

    The far left MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH.

    Murf

    • Mathius says:

      Of course, the MSM criticized them for using the robot, calling it excessive force.

      I put this one under the header of “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

      Lure police into an ambush and kill murder four of them, well… you kind of give up the right to complain about a disproportionate response.

      That’s not to say they get to just straight execute you, but if they can’t get you to surrender without risking more lives, and you’ve already demonstrated a willingness and ability to kill… ::shrug::

      Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t call in a drone strike. I mean, if you’re doing to kill someone with a robot, you might as well do it with panache.

      • “Lure police into an ambush and kill murder (?) four (five!) of them, well… you kind of give up the right to complain about a disproportionate response.“

        The shooter wasn’t complaining about excessive force, as he was deader than last week’s roadkill. But the oh-so-lofty media MUST complain, since they don’t have the balls to face any kind of danger on behalf of the public.

        And panache? That robot crashing in and being the last thing the POS saw on earth….now THAT’S Texas panache! You New Yawkers can do it any way you wish, but I still wish I could have seen the look on his face 2 seconds before he met his maker and heard the OH SHI— he must have hollered.

        Murf

        • Mathius says:

          but I still wish I could have seen the look on his face 2 seconds before he met his maker and heard the OH SHI— he must have hollered.

          I would have much preferred he get arrested without further harm, tried at a fair trial, convicted by an impartial jury, and duly sentenced.

          Given that this wasn’t practical, I don’t see any good justification for putting more innocent lives at risk. So they did what they had to do and, again, I’m fine with this. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It’s just now what I would have preferred. And while I’m happy he’s not a threat, I just would have rathered “justice” over “threat elimination.”

          but I still wish I could have seen the look on his face 2 seconds before he met his maker and heard the OH SHI— he must have hollered.

          But I think, sometimes, we like to imagine these sorts of vengeance fantasies.. and there are certainly plenty of people who are better off dead.. but vengeance is not mine to take. Nor the police’s, nor the government’s.

          The RIGHTFUL role of the police and government is to eliminate the threat, ensure public safety. Anything beyond this is an overreach in my opinion. If the guy has to die to accomplish that, so be it. Shit happens. But I’m having a hard time mustering up any kind of glee about his death.

          I want that guy, and everyone like him, somewhere where they can’t harm anyone. And if you can’t safely put them away, then, sure, turn them into a sticky splatter on the pavement. I’m not going to cry about it.

          I just… I have a hard time being happy a guy was killed. Yes, he was a bad guy. But in all honesty, the kinds of people who would do this are almost certainly mentally ill. No SANE person goes out and murders four five cops like that. He was nuts. And, because he was nuts, it’s hard for me to wrap my brain around wanting him dead or being happy he’s dead… even more, now that I think about it, than wanting him in jail, I want him in a psych ward, getting treatment.

          I want him fixed and rehabilitated, and released back into society to go forth and sin no more. To contribute to society and be a good and decent and honest person. And, yes, I understand that this is faaaar beyond the limits of our mental health powers.. but redemption and healing are often possible. Not everyone who is broken is beyond repair. Antipsychotic mediations are things that exist and work wonders on some people. If he can’t be released safely, then yes, absolutely, keep him locked away until he dies. But, I’ll go back to my thoughts the other day.. I’d really rather live in a world where the goal isn’t to just “get rid” of bad people, but to fix them, and help them, and redeem them, and let them return to society. Because, at the end of the day, he’s still a human being.

          I don’t… maybe I’m just too hippy dippy for my own good sometimes.. ::sigh::

          • I think, maybe the qualifier here, is don’t have more sympathy for the crazy and those who hurt others than you do for the victims. Sometimes people simply are to dangerous to roam free, why they’re that way, bottomline doesn’t matter.

            • Mathius says:

              I don’t have to have MORE sympathy for the guy.. and I’m not sure it’s even “sympathy” per say… it’s just that I’d rather that we, as a society, had more interest in helping and fixing and redeeming people who do terrible things than we do in “punishing” them.

              It’s not to say he didn’t do something terrible. Nor is it to say that he didn’t need to be removed from society. Nor is it to say that him dying is not a reasonable outcome. Nor is it to take anything away from his victims, who DO have my absolute sympathy.

              It’s just that, the idea of being glad he’s dead… I have a hard time being glad when people die. Even bad people.. broken people.

              Wouldn’t it be better if we could have treated him? Saved and redeemed him? Let him live a full and good life? Let him contribute to society? Be somone’s neighbor, friend, coworker?

              I’m not saying it’s even possible. Some people, you just can’t fix.

              But, well, shouldn’t that be the ideal?

              Not “get rid of the bad people,” but “make the bad people into better people (where and to the extent possible).”

              ———–

              Tangential: Mathius has a cousin (adopted) who is in jail for life without the possibility of parole. I love my cousin, or at least, I loved who I knew when we were kids.. but what he did absolutely demanded that he be removed. He’s always had some issues. And I want him locked up until he dies so that he can never hurt anyone again… but if they could fix what’s wrong with him… and I know they can’t.. but if they could, I would want that for him.

              It’s easy when we talk about strangers doing evil things to lose sight of the humanity and worth of the perpetrator. That’s never to say they don’t deserve what they get – or that we should not lock them away, or that we should have more sympathy for them than their victims. It’s just to say that – whatever they may have done – they’re still human. And if there’s any good in them, the goal.. the ideal should be redemption, not vengeance.

              • Perhaps we should ask New York, Chicago, Atlanta, Portland how they want to “fix” their situation. I am sure all of those shootings and stabbings and even the guy that used a hammer are simply misunderstood and mentally ill people.

              • Mathius says:

                I’m not saying it’s even possible to “fix” people like this… but we should WANT that.. that should be the ideal. When we think about a person who does terrible things, we should look at that and wish we could help make them better, help alleviate the things that drove them to that, fix the problems.

                The ideal should be “wow, that’s a bad guy.. I wish we could turn him into a better person,” not “wow, that’s a bad guy, I hope someone puts a bullet in his head.” Does that make sense?

                And, before anyone calls me out for my hypocrisy – I’ll point out that I am as guilty of this kind of thinking as anyone. .. it’s just a natural sort of easy mindset … but when I try to think about it, this is where I want my mind to be.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            “The RIGHTFUL role of the police and government is to eliminate the threat, ensure public safety. Anything beyond this is an overreach in my opinion.”

            The Dread Pirate and Black Flag would both slap you up side the head for that one.

            Govt. role is to make laws. Police job is to enforce those laws.

            SO CHOOSE WISELY OR SUFFER TYRANNY.

  30. Shared with Public
    It’s just a mask.
    It’s just six feet.
    It’s just two weeks.
    It’s just non-essential businesses.
    It’s just non-essential workers.
    It’s just a bar.
    It’s just a restaurant.
    It’s just to keep from overwhelming the hospitals.
    It’s just until the cases go down.
    It’s just to flatten the curve.
    It’s just a few inmates.
    It’s just to keep others from being scared.
    It’s just for a few more weeks.
    It’s just church. You could still pray.
    It’s just prayer.
    It’s just until we get a vaccine.
    It’s just a bracelet.
    It’s just an app.
    It’s just for tracing.
    It’s just to let people know you’re safe to be around.
    It’s just to let others know who you’ve been in contact with.
    It’s just a few more months.
    It’s just some more inmates.
    It’s just a video.
    It’s just a post.
    It’s just an email account.
    It’s just for protecting other from hate speech.
    It’s just for protecting others from hurt feelings.
    It’s just a large gathering but for protests.
    It’s just a few violent protests.
    It’s just a little micro chip.
    It’s just a blood test.
    It’s just a test.
    It’s just a scan.
    It’s just for medical information.
    It’s just to store a vaccination certificate.
    It’s just like a credit card.
    It’s just a few places that don’t take cash.
    It’s just so you can travel.
    It’s just so you can get your driver’s license.
    It’s just so you can vote.
    It’s just mail-in voting.
    It’s just a few more years.
    It’s just a statue.
    It’s just a monument.
    It’s just a building.
    It’s just a song.
    It’s just a lyric.
    It’s just an anthem.
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    It’s just a clump of cells.
    It’s just a fetus.
    It’s just a religion.
    It’s just a holiday.
    It’s just your guns.
    It’s just the police.
    It’s just the military
    It’s just your freedoms….gone forever.
    And “It’s just” the way they planned it.
    2% of the impassioned can rule over the 98% apathetic.
    It’s not like we don’t see it coming.
    Please America, collectively as a nation of god fearing law abiding citizens of the United States… we MUST FIGHT BACK.
    WE MUST.
    BEFORE ITS ALL GONE and we won’t have the ability to get it back.

  31. JAC's Daughter says:

    Was shocked to see this article show up in the Seattle news feed…

    https://mynorthwest.com/2000011/rantz-seattle-chop-protesters-white-supremacist-conspiracies/

    Just a few takeaways:

    Over the weekend, when a driver drove through a protest, killing one protester and injuring another, Twitter was abuzz with unverified claims that the driver was a white supremacist or alt-right conservative. But the driver, Dawit Kelete, is Black and his politics unknown. When that came out, the accusations vanished or were simply ignored.

    DeJuan Maurice Young says he was shot just outside the former CHOP zone by a group of four white supremacists. His story matches the exact talking points CHOP conspiracy theorists have been positing for weeks. How about that?
    Young miraculously escaped death despite being shot at close range while being held down on the hood of a car by a group of people. Definitely sounds like a legit story. Glad he’s raised so much money on GoFundMe — not to be confused with a G0FundMe from 2018 where someone with the same name and awfully similar photo was shot.

    Mount Rushmore? It’s a symbol of white supremacy now that Trump is in office (though not when Obama was).
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/07/04/cnn-trashed-mount-rushmore-during-trump-visit-but-praised-it-during-obama-visit-n604493
    It’s amazing how Mount Rushmore went from “quite a sight,” “majestic,” and “a fitting campaign stop” when Obama visited but turned into a symbol of slavery and oppression when Donald Trump visited.

  32. JAC's Daughter says:

    https://mynorthwest.com/1999855/rantz-bodycam-seattle-racism-cop-false/?

    Another example of what appears to be people baiting the police to get their name in the headlines. Glad this was caught on camera and hope more people “open their eyes” (no pun intended) to what is really going on. Yes, there is real racism in the world, but it seems the BS claims of racism significantly outweigh the real cases these days.

    One of my favorite lines from the gentleman who called the cops “what are the police doing about it?” Coming from someone who most likely (yes, speculation) has been out protesting to defund the police.

    Food for thought, not sure if this has been discussed yet on SUFA, but how many people are using what is going on in the world right now to get their 5 minutes of fame and trying to make a name for themselves from all this or earn a few Benjamins? It seems to me that part of (I repeat, part of) the escalation of everything and the wildfire spread through social media (oh no, she’s on social media’s ass again) is not actually because people support the movement or believe they are doing their part to help make a change, but instead using this situation to get their face blasted across the US, gain popularity points, and collect something because of it. No, i’m not saying this is just on ‘one side’.

    No, I don’t have evidence of this. But through my observations I think its fair to conclude this as a contributor. Human nature, especially within the millennials, is having the longing to feel like they are apart of something. Isn’t that why we have the old saying “If your friends jumped off the cliff, would you?” because historically that’s what kids do, follow their friends. Is this any different? If it’s “cool” to support BLM it’s now a fad amongst them instead of a true fight against racism. They have a deep desire to feel important. If they are apart of something that is important, they now feel like they as an individual are important. If they voice their opinions on social media or with their friends and gain praise and accolade, they now feel they are important. Not the fight against racism, but them as an individual. They covet fame because they don’t want to have to actually work for anything. How many people during all this have gotten their 5 minutes of fame by exploiting their “recent” face to face encounter with “real racism”? and how many of them are stretching the truth or straight lying just to get their moment in the spotlight? By doing so, are they gaining sympathy points with the public and actually accepting donations from people who want to help them, and want them to feel “heard” and “accepted” or for whatever other reason? No, i’m not talking about the actual BLM organization or any of the other organizations, i’m talking strictly about individuals.

    In conjunction, human nature is to want and take the easy road, and many today believe they deserve it. They truly believe things should be handed to them instead of earning it through hard work, because that would be….well….hard. It’s easier to feel like they are apart of something through agreeing with an online comment or walking with a friend in a “friendly protest” than it is to actually go out and consistently give their time to a non profit organization that is actively fighting for the cause they claim to support. It’s easier to feel like they are important when politicians and the media praise them for their “support” than it is to go earn real praise and respect through hard work by going out and building something of true value for their community. It’s easier to gain sympathy from the public and accept donations than it is to earn an honest living through, dare I say it, a job. And it’s sure as hell easier to put their face on a movement than it is to put their money where their mouth is and actually financially support the movement. Are these people REALLY out fighting racism or are they using it to move themselves up in the world while the opportunity is rife? And no, i’m not talking about politicians.

    How many people would we see still fighting the REAL fight against racism if they had nothing to personally gain from it?

  33. JAC's Daughter says:

    In regard to the mask quarrel above, i’m curious if the 60,000+ people who marched shoulder to shoulder through Seattle were extending their courtesy to the rest of our city with the forethought of their fellow man’s health? Or were the thousands of people who spent weeks protesting and chanting in their city streets keeping the health concerns of their friends, families, and neighbors top of mind? I’m curious of this point because one might think the responsible action and duty to society would have been to stay home or keep their “safe/social distance” from people. One might even be able to say, staying home would have been….
    a minor inconvenience and discomfort in exchange for (potentially) helping to slow the spread of the disease and save lives and get to the re-opening phase a lot sooner.

    • But JD, thats what us conservatives are supposed to do, you shut up and stay home. I’m surprised you haven’t noticed this yet 😛

      • JAC's Daughter says:

        haha Oh I’ve noticed.

        • JAC's Daughter says:

          In fact what I have really noticed (my personal experience) is the majority of conservatives I know may not want to wear a mask but do a much better job keeping their “social distance” from everyone than those who are walking around with their masks on. The lefties I know (whom I love) are the ones that are disregarding distance, going out in their masks but going to the bars, having parties on boats, getting people together for bonfires, picnics in the park, and days out at the beach. They are the ones traveling to other cities to visit their friends, get out of dodge and let their hair down for a weekend. That to me is also not being socially responsible.

          • Mathius says:

            “If seatbelts work, why do we need speed limits?”
            “If speed limits work, why do we need seatbelts?”
            “If both of those work, why do we need crumple zones?”

            There are lots of tools in the toolkit, but no panaceas.

            Trump loves his magic cures – and they might even help sometimes – but there is no “one easy answer.”

            If you want to stamp out a pandemic (or lessen it, or flatten the curve), you need to apply all the tools at your disposal for maximum efficacy.

            Just staying 6′ away is good. But it’s not perfect.
            Just wearing masks is good. But it’s not perfect.
            Just washing your hands is good. But it’s not perfect.
            And so on…

            Doing one, but refusing to do the others still helps but it’s not going to be as effective as doing all.

            If you pointed a gun at me and made answer whether distance or masks are “more effective,” I’d probably say distance. Especially since people don’t know how to use masks correctly in all case, lack the discipline to do so even when they do, and generally lack the more effective N95’s in favor of cloth masks.

            So… yea… given what you describe, the conservatives are doing a better job.

            But would it hurt them to wear masks, TOO?
            Would it hurt the liberals to keep their masks on AND not travel?

            Why does it have to be one or the other?

            • JAC's Daughter says:

              Oh Mr. Mathius, don’t misunderstand me, i’m not saying it should or is one or the other, i’m saying from my observation, one is doing a better job of the “social responsibility”. I’ve also noticed that for the most part, conservatives wear their masks if going into a place where they are required or asked to. Without a fight. They don’t want to be forced to by law, but they are still doing it by choice. For the most part. But what I see more than anything, is they are still keeping their distance far better than those who are prancing around in the streets and the bars who think that they are doing the “right thing” because they are wearing a mask.

              I belong to a gun club in CDA and have been going shooting at least once a week while being here. You bet your bottom dollar that every single one of those guys is a pretty strong conservative, but we have to wear masks to be there to shoot. I’ve not seen one of them put up a fight, because they, like me, want to be there to use the range. From conversation, I know they all think it’s stupid, but they still do it without a fight. Yet while wearing their masks, they are all staying 6′ from each other. Even the one’s standing around shootin the shit (pun intended).

    • Mathius says:

      JD,

      You ask a good question.

      The way I saw it put one time was: when the pilot tells you to fasten your seat belt, you should fasten your seat belt. If the flight crew starts shooting people, you should probably unfasten.

      The point is, masks and social distancing are important, but so is, you know, not having cops murdering people.

      If you determine that it is important enough to go out to protest, then it’s not just a question of “a minor inconvenience” to stay home, but rather a conflicting obligation. They should still wear masks, though, and from what I saw, most did – but certainly not all. But staying home isn’t a simple choice now – staying home also means not protesting something critical.

      ——-

      I get where you’re coming from with this, but I think that’s a bit simplistic of a view to take.

      Whether you or I agree with the extent, urgency, or severity of the drivers behind the BLM movement, it’s hard to deny that THEY believe them.

      So let’s just accept that as though it were the gospel truth.

      You live in a country where cops can murder you and your husband and your father and your children with impunity. Where they do so frequently and often without any repercussions – in fact, sometimes they even get rewarded. This is the truth and it is the world you live in.

      Yes, there’s a pandemic going on, but you’ve just hit your limit with a series of events culminating with the daylight murder of a man caught on camera being suffocated to death by a bunch of racist cops. These racists continue to suffocate the man even after he loses consciousness. Even while onlookers yell and beg them to stop. Because they don’t care, and they don’t worry about getting in trouble because they know the police department and police union will cover for them and the DA won’t prosecute them.

      That’s the world you’re living in.

      So, in the world, you’ve hit your limit. Pandemic be damned, you have to do something.

      It’s easy to say “yes, you should stay home” during a pandemic – and you should – but when your house is on fire, you should leave the house whether there’s a pandemic or not. This is exigent circumstances. Your house is on fire. Your community is on fire. You have to act. And a pandemic is not enough to justify staying home in the face of all that.

      ———-

      Again, I’m not saying I necessarily agree with their views.. at least in terms of the extent and severity. But I do believe that they believe it. Do you?

      I also think being bottled up with social distancing and the psychological pressure of living during a pandemic is just a natural pressure cooker.. I think, when you’re in this kind of situation, emotions run hot and it becomes a lot easier to “set off” major social unrest than it might have been during normal (whatever that means) times.

      • JAC's Daughter says:

        Ah, and I was sure the conversation would turn in this direction.

        That is the question at hand, isn’t it? Is it your duty or social obligation to stay home guaranteeing the health safety of your community, which will save lives, and get to the reopening phase quicker and boost our economy. OR is it your duty and social obligation to go out and speak your mind about the injustices in the world knowing that 1. the injustices put peoples lives at risk and 2. you are putting more people’s lives at risk by going out. Is this one of our pull the lever train scenarios? Do you risk more lives to fight for some or do you stay home (or keep your distance) to guarantee the safety of everyone and find a more creative way to fight against the injustices?

        • Mathius says:

          That’s the question, isn’t it?

          If the crisis were something the right would panic over.. maybe Obama was implementing Sharia Law.. I imagine that, pandemic be damned, conservatives would be out there by the millions.

          Not because they’re evil or heartless or think it’s unimportant to stay home.. but because they care deeply and think it’s more important to protest.

          Is this one of our pull the lever train scenarios?

          No… not really… maybe Trolley-Problem-Adjacent.

          Do you risk more lives to fight for some or do you stay home (or keep your distance) to guarantee the safety of everyone

          The problem is the conflict. Doing one means NOT doing the other. At least, not as well.

          I can’t fault people for looking at two “emergencies” and deciding that one is more pressing than the other.

          If your “emergency” is that you need a hair cut, then that’s a different issue.

          But if your emergency is “police officers are committing murder and getting away with it” vs “pandemic,” yes, I’d love for them to take the precautions they can, but it’s hard for me to say “nope, stay home and just suck it up that the police get to murder you with impunity.

          Again, I’m not saying I necessarily AGREE with the BLM view.. but I do see where they’re coming from, and I do believe THEY believe it.

          and find a more creative way to fight against the injustices?

          Don’t get me wrong, I’m on board with this but… well… let’s at least be fair and realize that they’ve been TRYING to fight this fight for a long time.

          Trump called whats-his-name a “son of a bitch” on Twitter for kneeling during the anthem. Every time they try, they get crapped on and told “not like that” or “that’s the wrong way” or otherwise just ignored.

          You tell me… if Obama is implementing Sharia Law and you keep getting nowhere or, worse, getting derided for your efforts.. do you keep trying those kinds of avenues? Or do you, at some point, hit your breaking point and go out and protest en masse?

          And if you’re at some critical juncture, where the patience of The People has boiled over.. do you step back and refuse to go out because of COVID? Should I sit here and call you evil or uncaring or whatever because you decided the former took precedence over the later?

    • Mathius says:

      Translated: they have a lot of violence of their own, so we can ignore their complaints about police committing murders.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Your translator is broken. It was pretty plain English, not Martian.

        Here let me help you. The left and MSM are HYPOCRITES.

  34. Mathius says:

    One day, while taking his daily stroll through the park, and minding his own business, a man apporached the Colonel from behind, injecting him in the neck with a needle full of amphetamines, steroids, Red Bull, and adrenaline. The assailant then escapes in the ensuing confusion never to be part of this hypothetical ever again.

    Moments later, addled by the cocktail, the Colonel takes out his gun and starts killing people until he runs out of ammunition (which takes a long time since he always travels with a fanny pack full of extra ammo). Then he begins decapitating people with judo chops.

    Eventually, he collapses from exhaustion under a pile of mangled corpses as the drugs wear off.

    Mr. The Colonel is tried for murder, manslaughter, assault, and a hundred other charges.

    What is “justice” look like in this scenario?

    • Inject him again and send him o Afghanistan?

      • Mathius says:

        I don’t think your old ticker can handle that.

        Care to try again?

        What does “justice” look like in this scenario?

        Should you be arrested? Tried? Convicted? Executed? Set free? Given a medal? Given an award for Most Outstanding Judo Chop?

        • What an extreme example, which you are famous for, btw. The only answer here is something akin to…”when did you last beat your wife.” You are trying to get to the, “he is not responsible for his actions because of an extenuating circumstance.” Which this would be, if the facts are known……you should arrest him, try him, and if convicted of whatever charges there were, suffer the consequences established by society. That is what a jury is intended to do.

          I would hope that I had a great lawyer to point out the circumstances and convince a jury that this was not a normal situation.

          The Pirate would give me a medal, grog, and a hearty well done.

          As to the Judo chop……a Judo chop? Really now. No self respecting 4th Dan uses “judo chops”……but perhaps the Red Bull put me in a different frame of mind.

          • Mathius says:

            What an extreme example, which you are famous for, btw.

            Fame notwithstanding, you really didn’t answer the question…

            You are trying to get to the, “he is not responsible for his actions because of an extenuating circumstance.”

            Close…..

            More like “how can he possibly be responsible for his actions when, through no fault of his own, his mind was corrupted in this manner? How can it be “justice” to “punish” someone for something they had zero control over and zero responsibility for due to this condition? And why should he be removed from society when he poses no further threat to others now that the drugs have worn off?

            As to the Judo chop……a Judo chop? Really now. No self respecting 4th Dan uses “judo chops”……but perhaps the Red Bull put me in a different frame of mind.

            Well, I mean.. if you can decapitate people with a “Judo chop,” I’d be very interesting to learn what a 4th Dan does consider a stronger option..? Do they teach you at 3rd Dan how to do a him throw that causes the person to spontaneously explode when they hit the ground?

            • Insanity defense covers this type of situation.

              • Mathius says:

                Yes.. yes, it does.

                And the colonel is certainly insane.

                But that’s not quite the question.

                That’s a “legal” defense. Sure the legal system approximates justice, but we shouldn’t confuse “law” for “justice.”

                The question, really, is “what does justice look like in this scenario”?

                Yes, legally, the courts are going to have found him temporarily insane and acquitted him.. but the question is whether justice is served. SHOULD he be in jail? I mean, he did kill all those people. Do the victim’s families get their justice if he is released? He is still quite dangerous – should he be put away to protect society? What message does it send to society and potential criminals if he is set free? Or is he “not the same person” he was when he was Judo chopping people’s heads off?

                What does JUSTICE look like here?

                (and, yes, I am aware of how thin this metaphor is.)

              • Thin? Damn near invisible……Henry Fonda

                Thinner than piss on a plate…….author unknown (not remembered).

                Justice..is what the current system has provided. Redefine justice, if you wish, then that would be the new norm.

            • I did answer the question…..perfectly. You arrest him, try him, and the jury decides. What other answer is there? You seem to imply that our system of justice is wrong…..if you do not have a jury of your peers…..then what do you suggest?

              • Mathius says:

                Our system of justice is a human attempt to approximate JUSTICE.

                Legal justice can fail – and does all the time. Innocent people are wrongfully convicted and guilty people go free. People get off on lesser sentences. People get enormous sentences out of all proportion with their crimes. For the same crime, certain demographics get convicted more and punished harsher. DA’s can be crooked, defense attorneys inept, judges and juries biased.

                What I’m trying to get away from is “how does this look in the legal system” and toward “what is RIGHT”?

                If we rely on the legal system for this answer, maybe there’s no evidence that you were drugged against your will*, the courts don’t buy your insanity defense, and you are tried and convicted for murder (100+ counts) and mayhem. Has justice been served if you now spend the rest of your life in prison?

                Sure, it went through the justice system, but was JUSTICE served?

                ———-

                *Red Bull is known to cause unreliable readings on blood tests. On rare occasions, it may also give you wings.

              • That’s like saying, life isn’t fair and then you die. If one finds a case of injustice you try to fix it and to get rid of the people at fault. If you are looking for perfection, you’re gonna be sorely disappointed.

              • Mathius says:

                If one finds a case of injustice you try to fix it and to get rid of the people at fault.

                Surely!

                … But how does one find such an injustice?

                It’s tautological to rely on the legal system to find injustice in the legal system.

                If the legal system says the Colonel is a murderer, then is that an injustice? If you say yes (and I would agree!), then what I want to know is how you decided that’s the case? It wasn’t by any appeal to the legal system – something extrinsic led you to that conclusion. What was it?

                If you are looking for perfection, you’re gonna be sorely disappointed.

                It’d be nice, but that’s not the goal of this exercise.

    • Also, one other thing, what makes you think anyone is going to sneak up on an old Colonel while on a stroll……combat Colonel’s DO NOT stroll.

  35. Well, hell. Those of us that are not living in the city or move to “rural” areas are the problem with the inner cities…….

    • Mathius says:

      “White flight”?

      • Well, if my little rural community was all white, you might have an argument….but….and I ask this in all seriousness, why would “white flight” have any consequence on inner cities? Why are people moving away from violence part of the problem?

        Hell, we even have a “yankee” in our community.

  36. Then, sir Mathius, who gets to determine what Justice is…..it is obviously subjective. Your brand of justice will obviously be different from mine. If you get to decide it, then that is not justice. If I get to decide it, then that is not justice.

    Perhaps, we allow justice to be in the eye of the beholder. But, we tried that once. That is where the legal system evolved, eh?

    • Mathius says:

      I am asking what it is… in YOUR eye.

      You were drugged and killed a bunch of people. The legal system doesn’t believe your story about being drugged and sentences you to death.

      Do YOU think “Justice” has been served?

  37. JAC's Daughter says:

    Curious of the group’s thoughts on the recently passed “big business tax” in Seattle.

    https://www.geekwire.com/2020/seattle-passes-big-business-tax-top-earners-years-false-starts/

    Under the measure, businesses with at least $7 million in annual payroll expenses will be taxed 0.7% to 2.4% on the amount they pay Seattle-based employees, with tiers based on individual salary amounts above $150,000. The highest bracket targets companies like Amazon with annual payroll expenses above $1 billion. Those companies will be taxed 2.4% for employees making more than $400,000.

    • Mathius says:

      Sounds like a very progressive tax, favoring small business.

      I’m sure Amazon will respond by hiring a legion of lawyers and lobbyists to punch loopholes in the law and, failing that, relocate to somewhere outside the city, taking all those high salary jobs with them.

      • If you drive the big businesses out the small businesses lose as well as do the people. Look at Detroit, a shell of its former self. Observe and learn young one, this is your party.

        • Mathius says:

          It’s only “my” party because “your” party is even worse.

          Give me a decent option and I’ll leap at it.

          • 35 of the 50 largest cities have a D mayor. many of those cities have not had an R in office in several decades. Most of the D cities are in a state of decline and to use a Trump term s–th-l-s. When NY elected Giuliani, things got cleaned up. De Blasio is reversing his reforms and the city is reverting to form.

            So just exactly how would you know the Rs are worse if you never try them? You keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect a different result. Insanity.

        • There is only one way to handle it T Ray….tax them out of the City…..And when the small business’ fail….the policy will change. Use their own tactics against them.

    • Instead of chopping the head off the golden goose, they are just eating it one wing and drumstick at a time. Now does the goose fly before the cleaver comes down, hobble away or stay around to meet its ultimate fate?

      I think the citizens in Seattle need to take charge and clean out city hall.

    • Just another Robin Hood scheme is all…I agree with Mathius on two parts….(1) it is a lawyers dream and (2) failing that, they are big enough to simply move and take the tax revenue with them.

      Were I in charge….do not waste the money on lawyers…simply move away. Moving is a business expense. Take the current revenues away from there. THAT teaches a lesson.

    • JAC's Daughter says:

      I agree, I think what they’ll see is business’ pack up and move. They’ve already seen business and residents pick up and leave because of how they handled CHOP and now they’re just providing more reason’s for the largest companies to move, leaving Seattle bare.

      I work right downtown by the Seattle market, Amazon was one of the first companies to mandate their employee’s work from home when Rona started spreading in our streets. What we noticed was there were no more lines ANYWHERE to get lunch or HH and within two weeks the small eatery businesses were struggling because they didn’t have the daily orders of the Amazon employees. They pick up and leave, along with other major businesses and the small guys go out of business.

      I don’t think it’s favoring small business at all, I think what their goal is is to use the $200m they receive each year towards taking care of the “poor”, subsidized housing and such.

      You nailed it colonel, a Robin Hood scheme. And they are going to drive their city into the ground because of it, unless we clean out city hall. Which unfortunately, I see as a less likely scenario.

      • Mathius says:

        What we noticed was there were no more lines ANYWHERE to get lunch or HH and within two weeks the small eatery businesses were struggling because they didn’t have the daily orders of the Amazon employees.

        I think it was Seatle, but it might have been San Fran or somewhere…. the city passed a law banning companies from having cafeterias.. everyone had a nice laugh at the liberal overreach and idiocy of blah blah blah…

        But the point was that it would force all those employees into the local economy to patronize community small businesses.

        Seems to have worked.. you know, until the world shut down.

  38. Mathius says:

    Just now… watching Hamilton with my 4 year old.

    (explaining that the Americans defeated the British)

    4: And they just gave up?
    Mathius: Well, they actually didn’t. They tried again a few years later.
    4: And they lost again?
    Mathius: That’s right.
    4: Well, they should have just kept practicing until they got it right!

    • Tell your daughter that we fought from behind trees and bunkers and barricades….we could not defeat them in open field. The British insisted on walking abreast, wearing Red Coats with Gold buckles..

      • Canine Weapon says:

        Yes. We really want offspring of Mathius to have a strong comprehension of guerrilla warfare. Nothing at all could go wrong with that.

      • Not all the battles were Indian style. Washington fought many open field European set battles but when he did, he mostly lost. His Canadian campaign was a disaster. Boston was a siege which he was good at. Long Island and NY were disasters mostly because he was out numbered but also because the troops were green and poorly trained. The training started at Valley Forge, Trenton and Princeton were great victories but Brandywine was another disaster. He got lucky in the NY campaign that ended at Syracuse. Howe never moved up the Hudson to meet Burgoyne and St. Leger abandoned the siege on Ft. Stanwix after my ancestors fought at Oriskany. After that the war went south where the guerrilla tactics played a major role but they were still losing. George Rogers Clark did a masterful job in the NW territory. The battle of the Cowpens proved to be a brilliant victory for Gen. Daniel Morgan over LTC Tarleton. This set up the siege at Yorktown with the ultimate victory due to the arrival of the French fleet and soldiers.

        By this time Britain was in serious financial trouble since they were fighting around the world. So while they still held NY, the could no longer penetrate into the interior of the country. They still had Canada so decided to let us unruly children go for the time being.

        In the War of 1812, they attacked us around the fringes (coasts) but the could not significantly penetrate the interior. We defeated them on the Great Lakes and defeated Tecumseh’s uprising. So while they won most of the battles, they could not dominate us. New Orleans came after the fact but punctuated their inability to penetrate deeply into the country.

        • Mathius says:

          So while they won most of the battles, they could not dominate us

          You can’t “dominate” a foreign population that doesn’t want to be dominated unless you are willing to simply kill that entire population.

          There were ~2.5 million people in America around this time. And if they didn’t feel like capitulating to some tiny island across the sea with loooooong supply lines, they weren’t going to, and there wasn’t a damned thing George III was going to be able to do about it.

          It didn’t matter if they had better tactics, better troops, or close air support. That’s not a winnable war on those terms.

          See also: Vietnam

          • What is your definition of “ a winnable war”…..

            • Mathius says:

              What is your definition of “ a winnable war”…..

              A war wherein you can achieve your objectives?

              • Ok, I asked for that and a typical answer when you fully understood my question……

                I know you were not around but from YOUR understanding, did the US achieve its objective?

              • Mathius says:

                In 1812?

                Well, you could ask SKT – I know even he wasn’t around back then, but his parents might have told him about it.

                I guess the question is: what were our goals?
                A) Puting Britain in its place.
                B) Gaining territory / not lost territory.
                C) Ending British support for the Native Americans.
                D) Something about an economic embargo I hazily remember and am too lazy to look up.
                E) Get a good excuse to remodel the White House

                Sooo..
                Yes, yes, I think so(?), no idea, yes.

                Honestly, this is one of those wars where I’m not really very well informed. I know Napoleon was in there somewhere, there was some issue with capturing US sailers and forcing them to serve the British navy.. something something American Pride / Honor.. Something something Henry Clay.. something something John Calhoon.. ::shrug::

  39. Key word”…………….forced.

  40. I have a challenge for SUFA……the challenge is keeping politics out of what I would like to discuss next.

    Opening the schools and Universities. What would you do? I will start. The Colonel thinks that schools and universities are individual decisions. There is NO one size fits all.

    Rural areas where there is little or no virus threat can open, in my opinion, if they so desire. If Brooklyn NY is so crowded they cannot, then don’t. I think that it is a local decision.

    Comments?

    • Please..no democrat/republican comments…no left/right comments.

    • Concur! The whole Covid thing has worked that way. It hasn’t been perfect, but I think it’s a local issue, one where parents should have some say in it. If parents want to home school then great, if some want schools open, then great too, smaller classes are better for teaching. It can work WITHOUT any government interference.

    • In my city, they are giving the parents a choice of three options. 1. They can come to school 2. They can do classes on line taught by the school 3. They can go to regular home schooling that’s been around for years. No one really knows, if the schools will open but they are covering all the bases. So the parents can decide for themselves, which option works best for them. Seems like a good plan to me.

    • Agreed, school issues should be local. It appears that the virus only lightly touches children . If there are immuno compromised kids, they can stay home. My county for example has had 260 cases out of 200K people. The number of active cases will be significantly less. So the odds of contacting a source are quite small, <0.1%. The biggest issue with the kids is they will bring it home to grandma and grandpa.

      We need herd immunity and the best way to get that is to let the less vulnerable people actually catch the disease while isolating the vulnerable.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      In our District there is a full time Cyber School available. All the schools are building their re-opening plans with defined contingencies. Most all parents are in a trajectory that kids will go back to school but prepared to reverse course depending what happens in next several weeks.

    • Mathius says:

      Private schools can do whatever they want.

      Public schools are a different matter.

      … That said…

      I don’t know if you’ve ever met a “child,” but they’re disease-ridden plague bearers who will lick anything (including each other) and sneeze directly into people’s faces.

      Here’s a different angle: with all their resources and with the tremendous CAPITALIST value, not a single professional sport has been able to keep COVID out. The idea that a school would not be an absolute rampant breeding ground for the disease is ludacris.

      ESPECIALLY, we should consider that children tend to get extremely mild cases, but are still contagious. This means the odds of infected kids showing up and infecting others approaches 100%.

      OK… fine… so clearly we should close the schools, right?

      Well….. it’s not that simple.

      I don’t know if any of you realize this, but people also have jobs. And, often, both parents have jobs. And they kind of need to put their kids somewhere while they do those jobs. And, you know, it also helps if the kid learns some stuff while they’re there.

      I have a kindergartener and a 3rd grader (or will, when they start in the fall). My wife is a teacher, and I have the disposable income to hire a nanny. I’ll be fine if schools are closed.

      But lots and lots and lots and lots of people won’t be.

      As a practical matter, leaving schools closed is an enormous hardship on working families and their children. Especially families at the lower end of the economic spectrum who are far less flexible or able to work from home.

      Oh, and that’s to say nothing of the fact that young children develop their social skills in schools, so I’m sure we can’t imagine there’s going to be any kind of consequence to children going a year or so with minimal social interaction with their peers, right?

      All that’s to say this: pros and cons.

      Pros: socializing, education, daycare
      Cons: schools are second only to cruise ships for biohazardous contagion

      So what’s a school to do? Hmm… hard to answer… here’s my (shitty) solution: in denser districts, I would have Open and Remote schools and you can decide what’s right for you and your family, and you can either sign up or not. If you sign up, you get school as usual (plus some enhanced cleaning and blah blah blah). Since only half the schools are open, you can split the classes between two sites and lower the density. You can arrange staggered schedules to prevent crowded communal spaces and mixing between grade levels, etc. You might have to go without sports and/or any kinds of assemblies. But, for the most part, it’s business as usual. If you say no, you get the half-assed remote learning, but you get to keep your distance. Because of the two-district approach, no district has to “split” their resources and be two things at once.

      For more rural and/or smaller districts, you could strike a deal to “send” your remote students to any school in the country with excess capacity. East Bumble, TX only has one school and 100 kids. 90 want to come in, so 90 do. 10 don’t, so 10% of the budget is shipped off to Houston and the kids are temporary members of the Houston school district online.

      ———–

      But let’s make no mistake: every open school is a potential ground zero. Kids are gross. Their hygiene is.. lacking. They can’t reliably wear masks. They can’t reliably social distance. Teenage boys think that Axe deodorant is a “shower” and have enough oil that I’m surprised the US hasn’t invaded their faces. Kids don’t reliably wash their hands, and those who do rarely do so well enough. And all of this gets worse the younger the kid (or the closer to teenage for boys). Schools are focal points, and they WILL spread it.

      I’m sure some of you are old enough to remember measles. I remember Chicken Pox and Pink Eye. I’m sure many of you remember lice, too. The instant one kid caught it.. well, that stuff was like wildfire in scrub brush country. COVID is and will be no different.

      The question isn’t “will it spread?” – it will.

      The question is “how bad will the fallout be?”

      • Mathius says:

        Oh, and by the way, one more thing to consider is this: Teachers.

        My wife, as I mentioned, is a teacher.

        She does NOT want to get the virus. She doesn’t want to give it to her immunocompromised mother. Or anyone else in the family, but especially her mom.

        She teaches the special needs kids.. the ones who are LEAST capable of the kinds of practices that would prevent the spread of the disease. There is no way to put a mask on those kids. These are not kids who can socially distance correctly, practice appropriate sanitation, etc. They WILL get it. And when they do, they WILL spread it.

        If my wife’s district reopens in the fall, my wife WILL get the disease.

        And if she does, she can’t see her mother without risking her life.

        And that’s a pretty shitty situation.

  41. U.S.—As cancel culture has come under attack in recent weeks, liberals have began to grow worried that it might get canceled. And if that happens, they’ll be in the terrible situation of having to discuss and defend their ideas with people who disagree with them.

    Progressives have felt a growing anxiety over the thought of losing cancel culture and having to stand by their ideas and defend them with logic.

    “Imagine how horrible it would be if instead of just canceling someone, we had to discuss differing viewpoints and then defend our ideas,” said one journalist as he searched a Quiznos employee’s old tweets. “It’s much easier to simply silence them through cancelation, guaranteeing that we’ll never have to examine our own views, come to a better understanding of the other side, and maybe even change our position sometimes.”

    It’s especially hard for the far left, as Communists much prefer silencing people and exiling them to having to explain their defense of a system that has killed over 100 million people. “It’s what Joseph Stalin would have done,” said Portland anarcho-communist Jayde Wilson. “You didn’t see him worrying about defending his ideas — he just canceled people — straight to the gulag.”

  42. Ray Hawkins says:

    Trump rally ‘likely’ source of virus surge, health official says

    President Donald Trump’s campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests “likely contributed” to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

    Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday.
    Although the health department’s policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely” contributed to the spike.

    “In the past few days, we’ve seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots,” Dart said.
    Trump’s Tulsa rally, his first since the coronavirus pandemic hit the U.S., attracted thousands of people from around the country. About 6,200 people gathered inside the 19,000-seat BOK Center arena — far fewer than was expected. Dart had urged the campaign to consider pushing back the date of the rally, fearing a potential surge in the number of coronavirus cases. Trump campaign spokesman Tim Murtaugh said the campaign went to great lengths to ensure that those who attended the rally were protected.

    “There were literally no health precautions to speak of as thousands looted, rioted, and protested in the streets and the media reported that it did not lead to a rise in coronavirus cases,” Murtaugh said in a statement. “Meanwhile, the President’s rally was 18 days ago, all attendees had their temperature checked, everyone was provided a mask, and there was plenty of hand sanitizer available for all.

    “It’s obvious that the media’s concern about large gatherings begins and ends with Trump rallies,” he said.

    Although masks were provided to rally-goers, there was no requirement that participants wear them, and most didn’t.

    A reporter who attended the Trump rally is among those who have tested positive for COVID-19, along with six of Trump’s campaign staffers and two members of the Secret Service who worked in advance of the rally.

    Statewide, Oklahoma health officials on Wednesday reported 673 new confirmed cases of coronavirus, the state’s second-highest daily total since the start of the pandemic.

    The new cases reported by the Oklahoma State Department of Health followed a record high of 858 cases that were reported on Tuesday and bring the total number of confirmed cases in the state to 17,893. The actual number of infections is thought to be much higher because many people haven’t been tested and some who get the disease don’t show symptoms.

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    ……and the beat goes on……..

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/health-official-trump-rally-likely-source-virus-surge

    • Just A Citizen says:

      “along with six of Trump’s campaign staffers and two members of the Secret Service who worked in advance of the rally.”

      So they did not get if from the rally?? They were the carriers????

      Oh, “several large events in the couple of weeks before”. Trump’s rally was not the only large event?????????????

  43. Ray Hawkins says:

    US to conduct military training with Cyprus, upsetting Turkey

    The United States has said it will conduct military training with the Republic of Cyprus for the first time, drawing criticism from its NATO ally, Turkey.
    The announcement came months after the US Congress late last year ended an arms embargo on the entire island, imposed in 1987 to prevent an arms race and encourage a peaceful settlement in one of the world’s most enduring frozen conflicts.

    Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops seized its northern third in response to an Athens-inspired Greek Cypriot coup aimed at uniting the eastern Mediterranean island with Greece. Seeds of conflict were sown earlier, prompting the dispatch of a United Nations peacekeeping mission in 1964………..

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    I found this a bit interesting – underscores more foreign policy bungling by this Administration. It’s not just bad optics – its an unnecessary move.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/conduct-military-training-cyprus-upsetting-turkey-200709071241744.html

    • Turkey is a de facto ally. My personal feeling towards Turkey….MY personal feeling is like Jane Fonda…I would not walk across the street to piss on her if she was on fire. Same for Turkey. NATO needs to drop them…but then again, NATO has outlived its usefulness as well. We do not need them. But, that is my opinion. There has been no Administration that has had good foreign policy in the last 20 years.

      • Mathius says:

        Turkey is a nice country full of rich history and decent people. (carefully steps around the Armenian Genocide)

        Erdogan is a piece of shit.

        • I did not say Turkey was not pretty and full of history. I said….it does not deserve ally status.

          • Mathius says:

            Well, we could shoot Erdogan and see if that turns them into a better ally?

            And, if that doesn’t work, just keep shooting the new President until the problem is fixed, we run out of bullets, or they run out of people.

            • I liked Turkey, for the short time there. Did not agree with them on the Kurds but that is a local thing…..I did work with a Turkish Special Ops unit once……..and only once……even their methods repulsed even me. They are among the most brutal peoples I have ever worked with.

              • Mathius says:

                even their methods repulsed even me.

                Wowza… care to go into a bit more color this?

                (D13: “Sure. The color is RED.”)

                They are among the most brutal peoples I have ever worked with.

                *cough* Mossad *cough*

              • I have heard about the Mossad…..never worked with them. They work alone.

              • Color other than red……well, sir, they are FIRM believers in real torture. Compared to them, the US is a novice.i saw this first hand. However, the end result was…they got what they wanted and saved lives. They take no prisoners and they leave a message…..graphic.

              • Mathius says:

                However, the end result was…they got what they wanted and saved lives.

                Perhaps you know better, but I have been told that it’s pretty definitive that torture generates “intel,” but that the credibility of such intel is highly suspect.

                That is, the guy will talk, but there’s no guarantee he won’t lie to you or just tell you what he thinks you want to hear.

                Am I mistaken?

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Colonel – guess I don’t understand the strategic purpose in exercises with……..Cyprus

  44. Ray Hawkins says:

    “They are not requirements for understanding or appreciating history”

    History matters – to better understand why it is more than reasonable to reconsider the nature and substance of Confederate Statues/Monuments and their possible removal necessitates understanding the Lost Cause and groups such as the Daughters of the Confederacy. The Lost Cause traces its roots to the waning days of the Civil War, was later a pervasive thread (ironically) in enabling North/South reconciliation (not to be confused with Reconstruction), but more importantly a sustained and deep pocketed movement during World War I (as the remaining Confederate veterans were passing away) and later during the Civil Rights era as public support for racial equality grew. The Lost Cause manifested in changing how the Civil War was described in text books all the way to the rapid construction and deployment of statues and monuments (funded by groups such as the Daughters….) – iconography and symbolism not for the battlefields or cemeteries but for direct public display and legitimacy in halls of government, town squares and….well…..anywhere that can directly underpin the Lost Cause and serve as a reminder, direct and obvious to everyone that a monied, organized effort existed that harkened/harkens for an America where all men are not created equal, slavery was right and just and whites were to reign supreme. None of this was accidental, happenstance or without consequence.

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    America can and should reckon with these odes to the Lost Cause. They are not requirements for understanding or appreciating history. They are not accidental. Their removal will not erase our heritage. Their removal will invalidate a movement that is more than 150 years old, is rooted in white supremacy and is antithetical to equality, freedom and liberty. Identify them. Remove them.
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    (Note: for a friendly way to understand a bit of the Lost Cause (rather than reading the books below) – watch Gods and Generals – a movie based on the Jeff Shaara novel – depicts more of the glorious aspects of Southern life and intentionally minimizes slavery)

    (Domby, Adam H. (February 11, 2020). The False Cause: Fraud, Fabrication, and White Supremacy in Confederate Memory, University of Virginia Press)

    (Gallagher, Gary W; Nolan, Alan T. (2000). The Myth of the Lost Cause and Civil War History, Indiana UP)

    (Blight, David W. (2001). Race and Reunion: The Civil War in American Memory, Harvard University Press)

    (Davis, Jefferson (1881). The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government, Appleton and Company)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Ray

      Did it ever occur to you that it was exactly this same self-righteous attitude towards the South, as expressed by folks after the war, that pushed people in the south to erect statues to their own heroes?

      Statues and other monuments are items that cause us all to stop and reflect. Well maybe not all. There are those who simply react with anger, like trained barking seals. The irony is that the anger and call for destruction of these monuments is stronger today than it was immediately following the war. When family members were done killing each other, most folks just wanted to forget and move on.

      By the time you are done tearing down every monument built by someone who might have been a racist or that violates some modern day standard of acceptance, you won’t have anything left. Nothing but those ugly modern art pieces that crop up from time to time.

    • Mathius says:

      Still think your mask stops a virus?

      Yes. Yes I do.

      And I’d also suggest “X isn’t 100% perfect, therefore we shouldn’t do it” is shitty logic.

      Wearing my seat belt won’t 100% protect me – so, therefore, seatbelts are worthless.

      Oh, and I’ve worked on drywall with a mask – I didn’t look like that when I was done. Maybe the real argument here is that he should learn how to use his mask properly?

      Also, that’s a surgical mask, not a N95. So it’s apples to oranges.

      Also JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ON A STICK how many times am I going to have to point out some iteration of “they aren’t saying to wear masks to keep the virus OUT. It helps, but MAINLY, the reason is to stop YOU from SPREADING it.” At this point, the fact that people on SUFA keep parroting some version of “it won’t keep the virus out” has to be considered willful ignorance.

      If the argument “this isn’t 100% effective against X” is a shitty argument against “doing this helps with Y.”

      • Hook, line and sinker!

        • Mathius says:

          Am I to read this as: “I posted something stupid, misleading, and potentially dangerous and then “win” because Mathius told me all the reasons it was stupid, misleading, and potentially dangerous”?

          • No, because I knew you would write one hundred words to show your superiority over everyone else.

            Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

            • Mathius says:

              I knew you would write one hundred words

              170

              to show your superiority over everyone else.

              It has nothing to do with “superiority.”

              It has to do with you posting something stupid, misleading, and potentially dangerous. And with me calling it stupid, misleading, and potentially dangerous.

              Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

              Maybe, but by that logic, you shouldn’t have posted that moronic link.

              By posting it, you have shown yourself a fool, and then you snipe at my supposed “superiority” for saying it’s wrong.

              because I knew you would write one hundred words to show your superiority over everyone else.

              Or, put another way, “I, T-Ray, am nothing but a troll who posts things I know are stupid, misleading, and potentially dangerous in order to bate people into correcting me so that I can gloat about bating them.”

              • Air and entrained dust particles and aerosols are bi-directional fluids.

                And the final question: Will you ever let someone else have the final word or is that reserved only for your wife?

              • Mathius says:

                Air and entrained dust particles and aerosols are bi-directional fluids.

                CDC seems to think it’s effective. Do you know something they don’t?

                And the final question: Will you ever let someone else have the final word

                I was unaware we were competing for the “final word”…

                or is that reserved only for your wife?

                … ok, well.. yes.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        So you say it “does stop” then you admit it is not 100%. Mushbrain………….

        • Mathius says:

          Yes. It DOES STOP some portion of the virus. It slows it down, makes it harder to contract, and harder to spread.

          Seat belts save lives. They stop deaths. They don’t stop ALL deaths. They aren’t 100% effective. And they work best in conjunction with other safety practices… like keeping a safe following distance.

      • So does the mask have some super special one-way virus valve? It won’t keep a virus out…but it will keep a virus in. I don’t buy it.

        • Mathius says:

          So does the mask have some super special one-way virus valve? It won’t keep a virus out…but it will keep a virus in. I don’t buy it.

          I know you don’t.

          But consider this: I have a disease that spreads by coughed-out particles. If I cough or breathe out, that goes straight into the mask. Now, certainly, some portion of it will either make it through the mask (thus the 95 in N95 –> 95% capture rate) and, if my mask is poorly fitting or worn incorrectly, some will escape through the sides. These go out into the environment and can infect others.

          Consider the inverse. I have a disease that spreads by coughed-out particles, but I don’t wear a mask. I cough and just spew out an enormous cloud of trillions of virii everywhere. Just a big ol’ shotgun blast of plague into the environment. BUT, you say, I am wearing MY mask, so I should be fine! But that mask doesn’t cover your eyes*. The virii gets on surfaces you may touch, food you may eat, etc. And we touch our faces… a lot. If you take your mask down for a second to talk, you’re standing in the middle of a cloud of my germs.

          I propose an analogy: urine.

          Scenario A: We are both naked and I just start peeing in all directions. You are going to get a lot of urine on you. And you are not going to be happy.

          Scenario B: I am wearing my clothes and you are naked. And I just start peeing. Sure, will slosh out, run down the floor and get on you, but mostly, you should be fine (albeit disgusted).**

          Scenario C: I am naked and you are clothed. And I just start peeing in all directions. Sure, your clothes will keep some of it off you, but, you know, eww. You will NOT be fine.

          Scenario D: We’re both clothed and I start peeing. Whatever escapes from me is going to be pretty well blocked by your outer layers of clothes. Sure, it’s not perfect, but it’s pretty good.. and the best we can reasonably hope for.

          Now add to this that, if you stay 6 feet away from me (as you should when I’m peeing myself), it becomes even less likely that you’ll get any significant amount of urine on you. You might think, well that’s good enough, and it might be… but do you want to bet that my stream can’t reach 6 feet? Or that, maybe, you just happened to be passing me in a narrow hallway at the time?

          So, obviously, the best approach for YOU is to wear your clothes AND stay six feet away from potential urinators. And the best approach for ME is to wear my clothes and stay six feet away from others.

          ——–

          * I don’t know if the eye-route is viable for COVID, but it absolutely is for other virii like the common flu.

          ** It’s an analogy – I know it breaks down a bit here. Yes, in this scenario, I would be wearing piss-soaked clothes which is grosser for me. But disease doesn’t work that way. Breathing in your own germs doesn’t make you sicker or slow your recovery. You already have COVID – what are you going to get? Double-COVID?

  45. Ray Hawkins says:

    “Hatred Set in Stone – The Confederate memorial carving at Georgia’s Stone Mountain is etched with more than a century of racist history. But tearing it down won’t be so easy.”

    The mother of all Confederate monuments looms in Georgia. It’s etched on the side of a 280-some-million-year-old monadnock: Stone Mountain, seven miles around at the base and covering 1,000 acres. The Confederate memorial carving—Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, and Jefferson Davis on horseback—is on the north face, comprising 3 acres in area. It’s 400 feet above the ground; it’s the largest bas-relief carving in the world—blah, blah, blah, this thing is big.

    The armed, mostly Black protesters who peacefully marched in Stone Mountain Park demanding the removal of the carving on the Fourth of July hit social media hard, but the idea that the carving, big (and legally protected) as it may be, needs to go has been gaining traction in recent years. In 2017, Stacey Abrams, then running for governor of Georgia, called for the carving to be removed. Richard Rose, president of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP, interviewed by the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Debra McKinney in 2018, called the carving “the largest shrine to white supremacy in the history of the world,” and said it should be brought down.

    Looking at the history of this piece of public art, which is rich with twists and turns, it becomes clear that the carving is a monument to many kinds of 20th-century white supremacy—the overt racist violence of the second Ku Klux Klan; the decades-long tolerance of the Southern Jim Crow regime by Northerners, who wanted badly to look the other way in the name of “unity”; and later, the consumption-oriented “Lost Cause” nostalgia that reframed all of Southern history as a playground for pleasure seekers. A removal of this particular monument would truly be a victory. It would be hard to do, both physically and legally, but boy, would it be satisfying.

    The idea for the monument came at a time of intense racist ferment in Atlanta and the greater South. In August 1915, a mob lynched Leo Frank, a Jewish factory superintendent, in Marietta, for a murder he probably didn’t commit. In November, William Joseph Simmons led a small group of men up Stone Mountain, to swear allegiance to the idea of a resurgent Ku Klux Klan and to burn a huge cross, where it could be seen from the city. A commemorative postcard from the period emphasized the mountain’s bigness and used its commanding presence to amplify the Klan’s message: “Stone Mountain, Largest Solid Stone in the World, one mile from Base to Summit. On its highest pinnacle the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan Organized at Midnight, Nov. 25, 1915.” The movie Birth of a Nation, which had premiered in Los Angeles earlier that year, opened in Atlanta to great acclaim on Dec. 6, 1915—two weeks after the cross burned.

    Caroline Helen Jemison Plane, leader of the Atlanta chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, put forth the idea for the memorial carving in 1912. Plane told the Philadelphia Public Ledger that her idea was for the UDC to “cease the erection of small and perishable local monuments” (prescient!) and instead “concentrate on one which shall be a shrine to the South, and which all Americans may be justly proud.” Gutzon Borglum, the Western sculptor who was later to carve Mount Rushmore, was hired in 1915 as a consultant to the project. The Venable family, which owned the mountain, gave the United Daughters of the Confederacy a time-limited deed to its north face in 1916. (Sam Venable had been part of the group of people on the summit with Simmons when the KKK was reborn, the year before.) Borglum was appointed sculptor and got to work on his plans.

    **********************************

    Indeed this is an eyesore and monument to traitors, racism and white supremacy – but also protected by Georgia state law. Would be fun to watch this blown to smithereens or refaced with the likes of Dr. King, Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/07/stone-mountain-georgia-confederacy-history.html

  46. Ray Hawkins says:

    Trump’s taxes may be released to grand jury, supreme court rules

    Chief justice John Roberts wrote the 7-2 opinion that the president is not categorically immune from grand jury requests. Both supreme court justices nominated by Trump, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh, sided with the majority.
    “Two hundred years ago, a great jurist of our Court established that no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding,” Roberts wrote in the decision.

    “We reaffirm that principle today and hold that the President is neither absolutely immune from state criminal subpoenas seeking his private papers nor entitled to a heightened standard of need.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jul/09/scotus-donald-trump-tax-returns-us-coronavirus-news-fauci-

    Real question is – will the returns stay protected by the entities they are released to, or will they be leaked?

    • As I see it the issue is here is not whether Trump is obligated to release the information under subpoena but that the investigation is illegitimate because it is a politically driven investigation in search of a crime. Unfortunately, Trump and his lawyers tried to argue that he was immune for subpoena which was a losing argument.

      Will the records be leaked. I have no doubt as this is the entire purpose of the effort.

      • Of course, they will be released and it is a terrible precedent…

        • Mathius says:

          Of course, they will be released and it is a terrible precedent…

          Agreed.

          but that the investigation is illegitimate because it is a politically driven investigation in search of a crime.

          Don’t get me wrong – I constantly rail against this kind of thing. I loathe the fact that there are so many convoluted laws that you are a criminal no matter what and they just need to figure out what crime you’ve committed.

          Buuuttttt… you seem to be making an assertion here (and maybe I’m just reading it wrong) that, LEGALLY, a “politically driven investigation in search of a crime” is illegitimate.

          Morally, ethically, practically, and in terms of basic human decency, yes.

          But LEGALLY?

          I was not under the impression that “this is politically driven” was any kind of shield from prosecution.

          It’s hard for me to envisage a scenario where run against the mayor, so he sends an inspector to look at my house from the road and sees my illegally installed pool. The town then fines me and I go to court and say “yes, I did it, but I don’t have to pay because the mayor was out to get me for political reasons!” I just can’t see that as a defense. Do you have any support for this position?

          • No because this prosecutor ran on the platform to specifically target Trump and his family. They are using the law to target an individual. As you say, there are so many laws. that they can find some justification for their action but this is clearly not morally correct. We have seen this play out in the Gen. Flynn case. They had no legal grounds to interview him but did so anyway. Then used the unlimited power of the government to financially break him and target his son.

            I’ll make bet with you that these investigations will be dropped if Biden wins.

            • Mathius says:

              No because this prosecutor ran on the platform to specifically target Trump and his family.

              Awful.

              They are using the law to target an individual.

              Awful.

              As you say, there are so many laws. that they can find some justification for their action but this is clearly not morally correct.

              Correct.

              We have seen this play out in the Gen. Flynn case. They had no legal grounds to interview him but did so anyway.

              Ehhhh………… My understanding wasn’t so much that they couldn’t legally interview him so much as his decision to LIE at that interview.

              That is, the sin isn’t that they interviewed him.. it’s that he LIED.

              No one made him lie except himself.

              (see also: Bill Clinton)

              Then used the unlimited power of the government to financially break him and target his son.</b.

              … yes … and no… they used the legal system to prosecute a guy who a guy who committed a crime.

              Would they gone after him like that if there were no political motives? Probably not. Maybe. Probably. What do I know? But, also, I can be pretty certain that, after peading guilty – twice – that they wouldn't have dropped the case if it weren't for politics, either. So maybe both sides are playing grab-ass here?

              I’ll make bet with you that these investigations will be dropped if Biden wins.

              I’ll take that action.

              • Except the interrogators came out of the meeting saying that they did not think he was lying. There was no transcript or recording of the interview. The original 302’s have been hidden or conveniently lost, we only have the doctored ones. So what do you call it? There was no legal justification for the interview, there is no official record of him lying, the DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence from his defense team, and the prosecutors relentlessly targeted him and his son to the point of financial ruin. Are you really OK with this? Or is this OK because he is a Trump supporter?

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          The question of course will be what about the returns will be illegal? What I fear is that the returns will show carry-over losses and no tax liability because of having almost gone under in the early nineties.

          • Mathius says:

            The question of course will be what about the returns will be illegal?

            Yes.

            Let me help you out here. The answer is “yes.”

            I don’t have to know Trump, his organization, or anything else.

            If you get a large enough enterprise with enough complication, and you dig into their taxes with a fine-tooth comb and enough neuroticism, you will find a violation.

            If you look at my firm, you will find something illegal.

            If you look at ANY major company or ANY billionaire or ANY complicated business, you will find something if you look hard enough. Hell, if you look at me, you will probably find something.

            What I fear is that the returns will show carry-over losses and no tax liability because of having almost gone under in the early nineties.

            Why should you fear this?

            Trump has bragged – repeatedly – about how successful he’s been at avoiding taxes and how this is proof of his genius.

            Wouldn’t that support his claim?

            What I fear is that […]

            What you should “fear” is that a detailed probing reveals all his close ties to all kinds of shady characters.

            I know – for a fact – that he had a close friend with mob ties. As soon as he got close to the election, he dropped the guy like a hot potato, stopped inviting him to anything, and pretended like he’d never met him before. But they DID do a lot of business before then. And they WERE friends. And they DID make a lot of money for each other.

            Does this mean Trump did anything wrong? Nope.

            Does this mean Trump has mob ties? Nope. (well, I mean, he probably does, but this doesn’t prove it).

            But will his detractors connect those kinds of dots? You bet’cha!

            What you should “fear” is that he has done some business with Russian oligarchs – because, of course he has – and people are going to start drawing some connections.

            What you should “fear” is that it turns out that he has certain connections which were previously undisclosed, but which have directly benefitted from his own policies – and people will conclude that he’s self-dealing.

            This ISN’T about his taxes. I know that, you know that, we all know that. But it’s not about proving he’s a shitty businessman, either. I mean, if they can prove that, they will, but it’s about getting a full scope of his business interests to see if there are ties that can bring him down.

            And I’ll give you a preview of the future: there are.

            Trump is a master of the “lawful but awful.” He walks that line like a tightrope walker. He may not be breaking the law left and right (beyond the missteps that everyone makes when they play at that scale), but he sure as hell does a lot of sketchy stuff and has sketchy connections that he doesn’t want anyone to know about.

            • Just a thought, but Trump pays others to do his taxes and, AND if they have been audited by the IRS, they serve no purpose going forward.

              • Mathius says:

                Clearing an IRS audit doesn’t mean that there is nothing wrong and the returns can’t be challenged or questioned ever again.

                We have to maintain 10 years of records. The SEC dropped in for a surprise visit last year (as they are wont to do) and they made us dig out data from all ten years. We had to prove that year-over-year, we hadn’t adjusted certain figures. We’d cleared IRS audit each and every year, but I’ll let you imagine what would have happened to us if we’d done that and they caught us.. do you think “oh, but the IRS cleared us, so you can’t touch us” would have worked as a defense?

                Trump pays others to do his taxes

                Uh huh… it’s a great carveout. But even if it protects Trump from personal criminal liability – they can fine the hell out of his company, drag him through the much, etc.

                I used to go to school with a criminal tax fraud investigator for the IRS. He explained to me that, unless the guy keeps a second set of books, it is tremendously hard – but not impossible – to prove the intent to make a criminal case. But even when you can’t make the criminal case, the fines and penalties can be enormous. And that there are all kinds of ways to maximize the penalties (just like a cop who pulls you over for a speeding ticket can make it so much worse if he wants to).

                But, generally, you’re right – Trump, personally, almost certainly will not go to jail over anything in his taxes.

                Then again, if there is fraud in his returns, his accounts might roll over on him…

                they serve no purpose going forward.

                We both know that isn’t true.

              • After the election, it will all disappear. NY will drop their case and Trump will still not have to release his tax returns. My guess is that they will all look like DNC Hack Rachell Maddows bombshell copy 😛

            • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

              Why, because of teh way it will be played. I have used the casualty theft loss deduction in teh past on several occasions. Quite different from taking a multi year write off for immense losses. Looks bad, especially for people who have no occasion to use it.

              • Mathius says:

                Everyone who cares to know knows that he had enormous losses and took multi-year writeoffs. I’m almost certain he’s explicitly bragged about how he’s been able to game the tax system in this way.

                The number of people who actually understand the pertinent tax code is negligible. Maybe a few thousand people, if that. I am not in this group – I am not an accountant nor a tax attorney. I have some inkling of these things, but, really, it’s just outside my expertise. To me, it’s just noise. He’s playing a game in rules that are complex and constantly shifting to the point that nothing makes sense and nothing matters. Of course – of course – he’s broken the rules but that’s just because there are tens of thousands nitpicky rules and no human being alive can follow them all.

                Whether he did anything “WRONG,” is not something I’m qualified to evaluate with regards to his taxes.

                Does it “look bad” to use this multi-year write-off for immense losses? Not to me. Maybe insofar as he had the immense losses in the first place? But that’s public knowledge and his voters obviously don’t care.

                So why should it hurt him?

                ——-

                No, the “threat” is in exposing his (potential) associations / conflicts / and self-dealing.

                Now for my question: suppose the statements reveal that, since ’15, Trump has made several billion dollars in enterprises closely linked to Putin-aligned oligarchs in a series of sweetheart deals. Now, this doesn’t prove anything. Maybe he’s just that damned good a business. But what do YOU think? Do YOU think he’s (probably) selling out America in exchange for wealth? Do YOU still vote for him?

                Put another way, we know these are going to show something, but how bad and how convincing are up in the air. So the question for you is: what would it take to convince you that he is a traitor?

                And is that burden of proof unjustifiably higher than the standard to which you might hold Joe Biden?

              • All accusations, all supposition. Show me some credible facts that Trump is profiting from illegal foreign transactions. Show me where he has used his position to enrich himself and his family and friends. He stopped all foreign developments on entering office. So there is no new business. The family does continue running the businesses they have. As far as I know he owns nothing in Russia. You have no credible evidence of a crime but demand his tax returns so you can find one. This is precisely how the system is not supposed to work but you are willing to destroy the system to attain you goal of ousting Trump.

                Now on the other hand there is plenty of public domain evidence that the Clintons and Bidens have enriched themselves selling their offices. But you defend them. Mathius, you are pathetic.

              • Mathius says:

                Show me where he has used his position to enrich himself and his family and friends.

                Go re-read what I wrote.

                The question was SUPPOSE such evidence comes to light… what would it take to convince you that he was a traitor, would you still vote for him and, are you applying the same burdens of proof as you would for Biden/Clinton?

                You have no credible evidence of a crime but demand his tax returns so you can find one.

                I most certainly DO NOT.

                I have agreed with you – repeatedly – that this is a travesty. That this is wrong.

                Where I have (tentatively) disagreed is your implication that it’s “illegal,” but that doesn’t make it any less wrong.

                This is precisely how the system is not supposed to work but you are willing to destroy the system to attain you goal of ousting Trump.

                I most certainly AM NOT.

                I do not agree with or support this kind of behavior. I even, specifically, point out that I’ll be happy when it comes to bite the Democrats on the ass.

                Now on the other hand there is plenty of public domain evidence that the Clintons and Bidens have enriched themselves selling their offices.

                Uh huh….

                Hunter certainly profiteerred off his father’s name.

                But I fail to see the proof that Biden was in on it. If anything, Biden’s actions were against the interests of the company his son was at.

                But, then again, Ivanka got a lucritive trademark passed in China shortly after her dad won.

                Eric sold off a mulit-millions of dollar subsidized housing complex that Ben Carson approved.

                They sold a $15mm penthouse to a woman with (alleged) ties to the Chinese military intelligence at well over market price.

                They’ve had the press secretary shill for Ivanka’s clothing line.

                Somehow Kushner’s NYC skyscraper got bailed out by Qatar.

                Somehow a bunch of those “opportunity zones” materialized around Kushner properties.

                There was the time that Pence stayed at the Trump resort in Ireland even though it’s 3 hours away from where he was having meetings.

                There are all those foreign diplomats who keep saying at the Trump Hotel.

                I could go on.. there are plenty of other examples.

                Sure, maybe, any one of these could be a coincidence. Hell, all of them could be. Maybe Trump and family are pure as the driven snow.

                But don’t act like there’s no evidence that the Trump clan isn’t profiteering.

                Mathius, you are pathetic.

                Mathius: They’re all pieces of shit.
                T-Ray: Nu UH! My GuY iS pErFeCt! OnLy YoUr GuY iS bAd! YoU’rE pAtHeTiC!!1!

  47. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Going back to Ray’s posting about the spike in Covid Case in Oklahoma City. There are sins of omission and commission. In this case, there are both.

    A week or so before the President arrived we “celebrated” the 100th anniversary of one of the most awful race riots in our history in that city. I believe the entire “negro” section of the City was burned to the ground. My short term memory is still good enough to remind me that there were huge public demonstrations commemorating the event. I don’t believe any of that was mentioned in the report. Ergo, by omitting it, one is committing to a lie.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Stephen – I posted the entirety to the article to underscore just that – if you have to qualify the whole premise with a “likely” then what are you not telling me? I know its not easy – but sans contact tracing or better evidence its not helpful to allege it came from the rally.

      • Mathius says:

        And, of course, the right are apoplectic about the idea of contact tracing.

        I could swear I saw it on here just the other day how to disable location services..

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        I just like to keep pointing out the BS the press peddles. Just heard the stats for Unemployment this past month. Numbers moving in the right direction but then the newsreader tells us that 50,000,000 people have been unemployed in the past four months. That is NOT a relevant statistic under any circumstance I can think of EXCEPT is by trotting it out with no comment it gives the less than engaged another piece of false data ie. 50,000,000 people ARE unemployed.

        • Mathius says:

          Just heard the stats for Unemployment this past month. Numbers moving in the right direction

          Great!

          I still think that everyone who collects unemployment should have to spend the day busting rocks in order to collect. But I’m glad there are fewer unemployed.

          Just heard the stats for Unemployment this past month. Numbers moving in the right direction

          What do you want to bet that I can look into the SUFA archives and find a conversation where I argued that, under Obama, the unemployment numbers were moving in the right direction, but that someone else here argued it didn’t matter because they either weren’t moving fast enough or that it was the total number that counted or some such?

          then the newsreader tells us that 50,000,000 people have been unemployed in the past four months.

          Maybe technically accurate, I don’t know, but still… go ahead and hit the BS button.

          EXCEPT is by trotting it out with no comment it gives the less than engaged another piece of false data ie. 50,000,000 people ARE unemployed.

          Maybe….

          I think you’ve skipped over a bit here.

          YES, it does give that bad impression.

          BUT, you assume that’s the goal.

          That’s not the goal.

          The GOAL is to get you to watch their news. The GOAL is to get you to read their news. The GOAL is to get you to see their advertisers so that they can make money.

          They would quite happily tell you that the sky is full of aliens and that the US Mint has started printing puppy dogs and unicorns if they thought it would get you to tune in. Hell, I’d probably watch that channel over CNN or Fox.

          The harmful misinformation (including by assholes like Tucker Carlson and Breitbart) are significantly less about their agendas and tricking people into believing things that aren’t true than they are about grabbing eyeballs and monetizing them.

  48. Well, it is ruled. NY prosecutors but not congress can see tax returns…..

    • So…..within 5 minutes, Pelosi, etal….will know.

      • It is the precedent of a SCOTUS…..ruling in personal tax issues. Just wrong. Now, no one is immune.

        • Mathius says:

          7-2, though… both of Trump’s appointments are in the majority… makes you wonder…

          • No it does not make me wonder.i do not care whose appointments they are..that is NOT the issue. We are all going to regret this….all of us.

            • I am not sure that this is a precedent tragedy. I don’t think that presidents have absolute immunity but I do think that courts should ensure that the requests are not politically motivated and have legitimate and sound legal need and basis. Records should not be subpoenaed in search of a crime but to support crimes already known to be committed. One of the things I find odd, is that politics entered into the latter (Congress) decision but not in the former (NY). I remember that Trump’s campaign rhetoric was used against him in the immigration law suites, but the NY SA & DAs own anti-Trump campaign rhetoric does not seem to have been used against the state. Once again, we see the double standard.

              • Disagree T Ray…..this has all sorts of precedent for lower races…it will be used…..but it is a two edged sword. The Dems cannot now claim revenge when it happens to them…..and it will.

              • Then I guess I am missing something in this. I do know that the courts are being used to target political opponents. I disagree with this strongly. I do know that Soros has funded state AGs campaigns backing highly politicized candidates. CA alone has sued the Trump administration 60 times. I detest as a waste of money one government agency suing another. We hire them to solve these problems, not to make lawyers rich.

              • Mathius says:

                The Dems cannot now claim revenge when it happens to them…..and it will.

                Good.

                Fuck ’em.

                Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    • NONE!!!!!!

    • I want to hear from everyone.

    • Mathius says:

      1. (Paris) Tentative yes.

      2. (Busses) Tentative yes (5 years is a little too fast / wasteful. I wouldn’t object to “as they need replacement,” however. But it seems stupid to turn over busses only a few years old.

      3. (Cash bail) Maybe. There’s a real problem here. Cash bail, which needs to be borrowed by people who can’t afford it, just means another expense they can’t afford – even if innocent. It amounts to a “freedom tax” on the poor-but-charged whereas the wealthy can pay it. There IS a problem here, but do say this is the solution would require a lot more information and testing than I have at my disposal.

      4. (arresting children) Yes. Yes. Yes. And hell, yes.

      5. (R2W) On what authority? But, assuming it’s legal, I’m very-tentatively on board.

      6. (Card Check unions) No opinion. Just not knowledgable enough.

      7. (School vouchers) Fuck yea. By the way, this description on the article is crap (and Breitbart, in general, is crap).

      8. (public option) Sure.

      9. (kill the wall / citizenship roadmap) HELL YEA!

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        (9) there is a path to citizenship. Follow it and be welcome. Elsewize do not pass go and collect $200.

        My Mom’s grandparents came through Ellis Island. They according to her grandmother, who I knew well, said they became citizens as fast as they could.

        I asked her to work with me on German and she said NO emphatically. Her added comment was “We are Americans now”

        My Fathers side came much earlier no Ellis island. As of yet.it pays to read why in the later part of the 1800’s why immigration controls started being put in place. One big reason was HEALTH checks in both ends. And another was to clamp down on the unscrupulous operators which are currently called “coyotes”

        1) the Paris accord was a scam. Sure it’s a good thing to clean the abused environment. But it was public knowledge that the EU, especially the french Saud to Obama, we’ve got to make sure to call the deal something that does not require Senate approval. Hence the name “Accird” not treaty. Plus the UN environment group and the US gave China a pass in curbing their emissions until 2030. Where the US and Eurooe were hamstrung. Pushing even more manufacturing jobs to China and other unregulated countries.

    • Ok, here it is…

      1) we do not need the Paris Climate change at all…..it is a cash cow and it is symbolic only..so NO.
      2) School busses being changed…..not feasible and should not be a Federal issue. NO
      3) Cash Bail….no opinion This is a State option no Federal.
      4) On child school arrests…No on a Federal issue, it is a state and local issue.
      5) Right to work is a state issue…so No to Federal intervention.
      6) this falls under the NLRB….and eliminates private ballots….so NO.
      7) There should be no restrictions on school vouchers, public or private.
      8) No ……could change to yes if there is an opt out option for private insurance and a tax credit for private insurance.
      9) No, border walls do work…it has been proven.

      • 1) Paris Climate Change: AGW is a hoax, the Paris agreement is international welfare. The accord accomplishes nothing to save the planet.
        2) Local issue as you said but will not save the planet and will cost real $s and contribute to more pollution. This is a costly feel good measure to solve a non-problem.
        3) At the federal level, leave the current system in place. All other levels are state and local but the push in CA and NY to do away with bail is a total failure.
        4) Again, agree it is a local issue. In general, issues should be handled first at the school level but if persistent or resulting in bodily harm then the police need to be involved.
        5) Right to work is a state issue but I have big problems with closed shops and kissing butt just to get a job.
        6) Another state issue but open ballots for voting in unions is a bad idea. Too much intimidation involved.
        7) School vouchers are again a local issue but a but a good idea.
        8) The feds should stay out of the insurance game.
        9) Build the wall, secure the border, tighten immigration laws, no citizenship for illegals already here. If they wish to self deport and reenter under legal rules, OK. Stop the visa baby business. Stop granting citizenship status to illegals born here.

    • Since these are Democratic platform issues, meaning he wants them implemented at the federal level….NO to all of them.

      In fact, HELL NO.

      Murf

  49. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    What is your definition of “ a winnable war”…..

    A war wherein you can achieve your objectives?

    The above question brings up something that is becoming very interesting to me, The Philippine insurrection.

    When one starts reading about Teddy, thee is no way the Philippines cannot come up. Leonard Wood, Taft and Pershing were all involved at some point. It was “won” by the use of incredible brutality. That brutality was preceded by the other side using, incredible brutality. You can get into a chicken and egg controversy which can go on forever but it does not change the nature of the War. Both the Flips and us could have probably taught the Turks some lessons.

    Having said that, the Filipinos were excellent allies of the United States during WW 2 and did not fall for Japanese propaganda. We in turn made a promise of independence and actually kept it., July 4th 1946. So the US was a colonial power for less than 50 years.

    Now today, one reason to de-emphasize Roosevelt and Taft and Pershing is because of their “imperialism” but, and it is a very big but, there is some very good evidence that after Spain collapsed. Japan would have made a move on the Islands and our involvement was done every bit as much to checkmate Japan as to benefit the United Fruit Company or something.

    Like I said, interesting. And as dirty as it was, we WON.

    • Yes…and in Vietnam….it’s mission was accomplished. Wonder if our young uns know what the actual objective was.

      • Mathius says:

        Objective: Massive pissing contest with the Soviets and out-spend them into the ground?

        • Close…..it actually pulled the US out of a recession. Ask me how I know…

          • Mathius says:

            Something other than the usual “war is good business for the economy”?

            • Nope…nothing different but allow me to tell you how bad it really was……let us start with Michelin tires…..one of the main rubber plantations was in Cambodia 12 km inside the border. Very often it housed North Vietnamese troops and it was a non target because we used Michelin tires on our vehicles. These NVA would raid across the border and kill American soldiers and scurry back to their safe zone. And it happened with both Dems (real liberals back then) and Republicans. The US never lost a major battle…but we were not allowed to win.

              We actually had North Vietnam on their knees and were within 48 hours of winning when Nixon stopped sinking Russian ships in Haiphong….and quit bombing Hanoi and entered into years of peace negotiations. There is only one way to win a war…..but diplomacy gets in the way and more lives are lost.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Worked like a frigging charm. Guns AND Butter, hyper inflation (for us) , 22% interest rates and a devalued dollar 16% on a three year CD at my local bank!

            I thought we were into “paying any price and bearing any burden” to ensure the survival of liberty” as JFK the serial philanderer put it.

            Anyway, I guess you can win a brutal guerrilla war by being as brutal and being on an island or being on a peninsula as in Korea or Franco’s Spain. You cannot win it when you have open contiguous borders that are sacrosanct. Moral of teh story…..pick your war carefully AND get nasty and be quick about it. By the time people realize you are doing it….it’s already over. Another great lesson from China vis a vis Hong Kong. Fast enough to make your head spin while you were distracted.

  50. Whoever is writing Biden speeches should be fired. Just listened to his PA speech. He basically alienated 48 million workers who got laid off because of Covid-19 by praising the “essential workers” and dissing those who were wealthy enough to stay home. Totally out of touch. It’s going to be fun watching Trump tear him up.

  51. WASHINGTON, D.C.—For years, Barack Obama has tried to take down his hated nemesis, the Little Sisters of the Poor, through legal means, but now that legal battle has come to an end, thanks to a 7-2 Supreme Court decision. “If the law is inadequate to force nuns to pay for abortifacients, then I must take things outside the law,” said Obama as he donned a homemade costume.

    Calling himself the “Avenging Organizer,” Obama plans now to use vigilante justice against the nuns for using their religious beliefs to defy his health care law. Obama’s plan is to go out at night, strike terror in the hearts of nuns, and then steal their money and use it to buy lots of birth control. “It’s not as good as having the state force them to do it,” Obama said as he put a portable teleprompter in his utility belt, “but it will have to do.”

    In his first attempt, Obama was beaten up pretty badly by the nuns, but he vows to try again. “Let me be clear,” Obama said as he held an ice pack to his eye, “justice is coming for them.”

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