The Party of Hate



  1. Has BLM:

    1) Cleaned up one block in a black neighborhood?
    2) Returned on father to a black family?
    3) Stopped one black child from being murdered?
    4) Educated one black child?
    5) Sent one black teen to college?
    6) Built one community center in a black neighborhood?
    7) Created one new business in a black neighborhood?
    8) Given on black person a constructive job?

    • 1) Cleaned up one block in a black neighborhood?
      No, but they destroyed many.
      2) Returned on father to a black family?
      No, got many killed.
      3) Stopped one black child from being murdered?
      Just the opposite
      4) Educated one black child?
      Does Marxist indoctrination count?
      5) Sent one black teen to college?
      Not likely, money is needed for protesting.
      6) Built one community center in a black neighborhood?
      Burnt them down instead.
      7) Created one new business in a black neighborhood?
      Burnt them down or looted them.
      8) Given on black person a constructive job?
      Actually, if rebuilding the mess they made counts, this is possible.

  2. NYC is a war zone, well done Comrade DeBlasio

  3. The report showed that Orlando Health had a 98 percent positivity rate. However, when FOX 35 News contacted the hospital, they confirmed errors in the report. Orlando Health’s positivity rate is only 9.4 percent, not 98 percent as in the report.

    The report also showed that the Orlando Veteran’s Medical Center had a positivity rate of 76 percent. A spokesperson for the VA told FOX 35 News on Tuesday that this does not reflect their numbers and that the positivity rate for the center is actually 6 percent.

    Are Liberals trying to keep the economy down to win in November?

  4. U.S.—After Goya sales skyrocketed in response to a boycott in response to the CEO announcing his support of Trump, which was probably in response to something else dumb that happened in this dumb world, thousands of CEOs announced their support for Trump in hopes of triggering a similar boycott.

    Thousands of CEOs tripped over themselves to put on MAGA hats and get a press conference with the president, hoping for “one of them sweet Goya boycotts.”

    “Oh, yeah, I totally support Trump. Please boycott us just like you boycotted Goya!” said the CEO of a rubber band manufacturer in Iowa. His rubber band sales immediately bounced back, garnering him tons of sales, which is great for a product like rubber bands that have elastic demand.

    The CEO of reputable news site The Babylon Bee, Seth Dillon, immediately ran out and got a MAGA neck tattoo. He already had one on his lower back, but wanted to show his support for Trump more visibly so that liberals would announce a boycott and subscriptions to the site would skyrocket. “Seriously, please. I’m begging you. Boycott us. I could use another Lambo.”

    CNN’s CEO, Bob CNN, tried to announce his support for Trump as a last-ditch effort to get liberals to boycott it and conversatives to rally around the station and start watching it, but no one believed him, sadly.


    The far left crazies are bad enough, but this guy is in a class of his own. At least, I hope there aren’t many like him around. I also find it telling that his comments about white people was ignored, in his firing. And here we go again with blacks can’t be racist BS, never heard it claimed they couldn’t be anti-Semitic before today.

  6. Brought forward…..

    For you science believers…… know whom you are…………….just watched an interesting FIGHT on the news among doctors about the spread of Covid 19 and school children.

    The Science shows that Covid 19 is not spread among children so there is no reason to shut schools down.

    The Science shows that even parents do not get Covid 19 from school aged children.

    The Science show that the regular flu season infects and kills more school age children than Covid 19 and we do not shut the schools down for influenza.

    Science is data based and the data does not support closing of schools and isolating children as a result of Covid 19.

    According to the “experts” on this subject, the data has been comprised from 27 other countries that did not close their schools and are not going to close their schools. They found that the regular influenza is far more devastating than Covid 19 and the data is out there to prove it. The data also said that unmasked school children and no social distancing in classrooms did not perpetuate the spread of Covid 19 among school children. The data also showed that teachers did not contract the disease from school children they were teaching. They claim that the data does not support the fears.
    On the reverse side, the CDC doctors were claiming otherwise. That the data did not match their data, to which the question was asked, why did you not include the data from 27 other countries into your data base considering the fact that you closed your schools.Why is the United States the only country closing their schools.

    Either you believe the science or you do not.

    So what say you…you science believers, if the data world wide does not support shutting schools down, as claimed, then why are we arguing?

    • Because in the US everything is political. Facts be damned.

      That said, I don’t mind schools being closed. I like my kids, but I think they’re ready to go back to school. So far our schools are planning to reopen, just a little later than planned and with the option to do online school. I have several friends who are planning to homeschool this year because they don’t think their kids will like having to wear masks and such.

      And we do sometimes close schools for the flu but only for a day or two when it gets really bad.

      • On this same show, I watched, they had a panel of pediatricians…..5 of them…and they all agreed that closing the schools would not be good. Not only for grades and education, but for social skills and interaction and dealing with everyday problems.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          If Mr. Trump really wants the kids back in school he should announce that we should NOT put the kids back in school. Then just sit back and laugh.

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    OK, I am going to take exception to the threads headline. The implication that the Democratic Party is VIOLENT. And putting aside the Black Flag argument that both parties which support Govt. are thus violent.

    The Democratic Party is NOT a party of violence. There are MILITANTS in this country. All of them we know of are on the left. The LEFT as properly defined, that is anyone espousing any of the forms of totalitarian govt., including Socialism. Freedom properly resides on the RIGHT.

    Over the past few decades the greatest violence has come from the “Marxist” (a term used loosely here) branch, not the Fascist branch. While Antifa acts Fascist, or we call them such, they are in reality Marxists.

    These people do not as a rule participate in Party politics. So the Dem party is NOT the Antifa or BLM or Violent party. However, the Democrats, in order to concentrate the power they desire to further their Socialist goals, and personal goals of power/fame/fortune, decided to get in bed with these snakes. They have grabbed hold of something that in the end could be their undoing. Unfortunately, they will probably take the rest of us with them in the process.

    The Republican Party did the same with the Tea Party. Then it worked overtime to absorb it, co-opt it, and eventually defang it. The result was a back lash which got Mr. Trump elected. But the Tea Party did fade away as a major influence in the R party. See Budget Deficits if you think otherwise.

    The question is whether the Dem. party can do the same with the militant and radicals they are embracing. I personally do not think they can. I think the force will be to great to resist and they will be overrun.

    Ironically, the only thing that could reverse this course for the Democrats as a party of the people would be for the Republicans to win in a big way. All three branches. The last time this happened the D party moved to the center (Bill Clinton’s 2nd term).

    • I never thought of violence when I coined the title, just simple hatred. They hate their past. They hate Trump and those who support him. They hate facts and truth. They hate blacks. They hate Jews. They just plain hate everything that we cherish, like our freedoms, our ownership of property, prosperity, low taxes, winners and on and on.

    • They hate facts and truth. They hate blacks. They hate Jews.

      What bullshit.

      They just plain hate everything that we cherish

      Is your newsfeed just chock-full of strawmen?

      [JAC] OK, I am going to take exception to the threads headline. The implication that the Democratic Party is VIOLENT.

      Yes. I take exception, too. And have in the past.

      USW would be disappointed.

      • It’s tough to wear that shoe that fits so well, isn’t it. 😛

      • If you do not condemn the violence, make excuses for it, encourage it, and do not suppress it, then you are no different than the rioters. If the shoe fits, wear it.

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    After reading this my head aches from all the stupid that got inside, despite my best efforts to ignore it. Bottom line: A lot of whining by people who have been trained to believe that only the Federal Govt. can handle large emergencies. Nobody will admit that when supplies are short that there will be competition for those supplies. You can compete on your own or have some Bureaucrat in D.C. decide who gets them. National testing strategy? Test you own damn people. And maybe consider you are testing to damn many people just to make it look like you are doing something.

    Grrrrrrr………………. headed to the field to dig some holes and kill some weeds.

    • It’s politico, what do you expect, something truthful?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Yes I do. Is that to much to expect from a nationally reputed news outlet?

        I know people have their bias but for God’s sake don’t keep posting BS and calling it truth.

        No wonder Mr. Trump feels he doesn’t need to control himself. Nobody seems to think they should control themselves.

  9. Just A Citizen says:

    One more before I go. This should cause some headaches as well. But for different reasons.

  10. Ok, no time today… not that really stops me…

    1. JAC, your comment yesterday re Trump’s frustration that Fauci only considers one aspect of the issue is excellent and well taken. I agree with what you said. I would only add that it’s important to remember not to judge “mistakes” of the past with hindsight considering the information we didn’t and couldn’t have had at the time. So it’s not fair to say he was “wrong” if he was operating off the best information available at the time. It’s like saying the Rams are going to lose. I mean – maybe that turns out wrong – but, you know… it’s a reasonable position to take given the information I have at this moment.

    2. Colonel, re gun sales. Do guns “wear out” in any practical sense? Are they lost at high rates? I’m operating under the assumption that the “average” Texan now owns over 100,000 guns each, so I’m unclear what the need is to keep buying more. Do y’all have more hands than we do up here? Are you secretly a state full of millipede-people? Considering that even the cheapest guns are (I think) at least a few hundred dollars, how is it that you people keep buying more? I don’t think this can be explained away by birth rates and population inflows….?

    3. Gman, no, NYC is not a “warzone.” I live outside the city and have several co-workers and friends scattered around the city. Talk about bullshit.

    4. Jennie, I am also eager to send my kids to school. Information is developing as quickly as possible and I hope that it will be safe to do so – not just for my children, but for my wife who is a teacher, and for my immunocompromised mother-in-law who might be exposed if my daughters become carriers. As anyone with children knows, schools are absolute breeding grounds for pestilence, and I have ZERO faith in the idea that they will subscribe to sufficient sanitation / hygiene standards. I’m sure you remember when someone at school got lice or chickenpox or or or… and then, next thing you know, everyone in the school had it. It is, to my mind, almost* certain that opening schools is going to massively spread covid – I cannot fathom it being otherwise – the question, then, is (A) how dangerous is that and (B) what are the costs of NOT doing that. In particular, I have a 5 & 8, and them missing a year of socializing is not a good thing… is that worth the risk? And is there a way we can let each family make that decision for themselves rather than forcing me into it? (also, note, my wife has no choice either)

    * I have seen some claims suggesting that children, generally, do not shed the virus. Which would mean they pose minimal risk as an epidemiological focal point. I have seen no credible sources for or against this claim. My gut, which is absolutely not an accredited source, says that, since kids tend to get it lighter, they also will spread it lighter (eg, less coughing = less spewing of virii) but that their increased proximity and tendency to do gross things and cough directly into people’s faces will probably counteract this fact. You can put a pin in this guess and revisit in 3 months to see how I did.

    5. JAC, you are absolutely right that, if Trump says ‘close the schools,’ that a certain subset of the left will demand they open immediately. TDS. ::shrug::

    6. JAC, To be fair, would you agree that Trump (and DeVos) are insisting schools open, but if/when there are negative consequences to that decision, they will not take responsibility, instead blaming the states? That is, do you think it likely that Trump/DeVos will try to take the “win” for getting schools open while blaming others for the “loss” due to that same decision? Do you think this is reasonable?

    • You should be happy that I didn’t type Liberals instead of Party.
      NYC is having some serious shootings issues. You should watch the videos and maybe even some accurate news once in awhile.

    • Do you think this is reasonable? Of course..they are politicians, verdad?

    • There were 5 European studies from 5 different countries that all came to the same conclusion. Open schools are not a threat. They used DNA to track the virus from one individual to another and concluded that kids basically do not transmit the disease to others. Nor was there mass infections among the kids in the open schools in these countries. The kids did not transmit the disease to the teachers. In most cases, PPE and distancing were not part of the schools protocols. Now our CDC came out yesterday with a recommendation not to reopen the schools despite this very clear scientific data that showed a contrary recommendation. CNN queried several pediatricians who all said reopen the schools. When asked if they would send their own kids back to school, they all said yes.

      The number of young children dying from Covid in the US is very small. The deaths from seasonal flu in this same demographic is 5.5x higher.

      It seems to me that we have an NIH problem at CDC and NIH. Or is it an OMB (Orange Mad Bad) problem.

      So Mathius, will you go with science or your emotions (fears)?

      • He MUST go with the science. He is on record……..if he were to go against the data (and the data is actually 27 countries) then he cannot go against those of us that question the science of Climate Change or global warming or whatever the hall you wish to call it.

        • Mathius says:

          This is bad logic.

          I will go with the science because that is the logical thing to do.

          But I can still argue climate change if I kept my kids home despite CDC advice. The reason is the cost/benefit.

          If I keep my kids home from school, I am harming no one buy my own kids. I am, in fact, helping the school by reducing class sizes and helping to have fewer potential germ spreaders around. There is no aggregated societal irreversible cost to my decision if I keep them home. If I deny science and I am wrong, no harm no fowl.

          Conversely, if we do nothing on climate change, and the deniers are wrong, then the damage is done. So denying science and being wrong does cause harm.

          So it’s a question of “sure, I can deny science in this case, but it doesn’t hurt anyone” vs “you can’t deny science in this case or you’ll hurt everyone else.” See the difference?

          That said, though, of course, I’m going to follow CDC advice.

          (See also: I’ll call you a moron, but I won’t actually care if you think the Earth is flat. But, I’ll call you a moron and badger you if you’re anti-vax.)

          • The lemming has spoken.

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              The story of “the lemmings jumping off cliffs” is pure fantasy.

              In fact, they are quite social creatures and more intelligent than the average rodent. Rather than camouflage and hide as do most other rodents, they are well known to aggressively “stand their ground” even against humans and other large predators. In this way, they are, in fact, almost perfectly antithetical to the common usage of their namesake.

              The idea of them blindly stampeding off a cliff has been around for centuries, of course, but was really cemented by a Walt Disney nature documentary, White Wilderness, wherein he filmed such an event, with the lemmings seemingly hurling themselves to their deaths. Of course, anyone who pays attention to such things might note that the film crew rounded up the lemmings, placed them in an enclosure, and then set fires all around them in order to force them off the cliff. There are also claims that producers and filmmakers simply threw many lemmings off the cliffs as well and claimed the result to be a suicidal stampede.

          • I’m guessing the schools would claim that you are hurting them by keeping your kids home because, money.

          • See the difference? You would make an excellent politician… have learned the art of doublespeak well, my friend.

      • Mathius says:

        So Mathius, will you go with science or your emotions (fears)?

        I will go with the science.

        I will defer to the CDC.

        But, in my case, as my wife will have no choice but to go back, we’re “going back to school” no matter what. So… ::shrug::

    • Just A Citizen says:


      ” So it’s not fair to say he was “wrong” if he was operating off the best information available at the time. ”

      Let me correct that for you: It is fair to say he is wrong while recognizing that he was operating off the best information available at the time.

      Wrong is wrong Mathius. The question is was it due to an information issue or just hubris or need to react. Bureaucrats are really good at reacting because they think they need to.

      Now with that said, I think Fauci eas going off the best information. What gripes me is folks like Ray and you to an extent have been all over Mr Trump for no action when he followed “every single piece of advice” Fauci and Bryx and others gave him.

      Now for your second question: “To be fair, would you agree that Trump (and DeVos) are insisting schools open, but if/when there are negative consequences to that decision, they will not take responsibility, instead blaming the states? ” I would not agree before hand and I do not think it FAIR to demand I agree. I think they know there are risks and that there is data showing it is lower than some seem to think. But in the end, Mr. Trump is going to call for schools to open but he will allow the States to decide.

      I have not heard Mr. Trump criticize a governor for following the protocols issued by the Fed agencies. I have heard him criticize those trying to blame the Fed Govt. for their problems. But you are correct in a general sense. Mr. Trump is never going to admit that anything is bad, went wrong, broke, etc. etc.. He obviously hates admitting defeat or a set back. He is all about torpedoes full speed ahead.

      I know you don’t like this. I don’t mind it but the constant lying about obvious and unimportant things does seem stupid. Admit to the little things but keep pumping up the big things. On the other hand, NO president in my lifetime or my historical memory has suffered the attacks that this POTUS suffered from the very beginning. Not just the opposing party but a large segment of his own and much of the Executive Branch. But I predicted this so I am not surprised. That is to be expected when an OUTSIDER comes to this seat. And his style really made no difference with respect to the degree of opposition. Although I do think it would have been more subdued from the Dems if Biden had been his opponent instead of Hillary.

  11. To Mathius…….we do have a love affair with our guns. What I found particularly interesting is that 45% of the new gun permits were to first time buyers……I mean, this is Texas….how can there be that many first time buyers?

    However, that said……I do have some friends (yes, even me, I have friends) that have applied for and received their conceal carry (even though Texas has an open carry) for the first time. I asked what took them so long and the ones that are my age made the comment, “I thought the 60’s were gone”…..but “I do feel the need for my own protection these days.”

    I do not have 100,000 guns personally, I only have 26, counting pistols….so, I have room to grow. Yes, they are all functional and 7 of them have suppressors and (1) is a legal automatic. I do not really think that I need more…..just ammo. I have weapons for all occasions from Personal defense to home defense to car defense to long range defense to aggressive defense.(Please note that I did not say offense). I never leave home without one and I hope I never have to use one ever again. But the spousal unit and I shoot targets and clay’s to keep our eye in good shape.

    • Mathius says:

      But the spousal unit and I shoot targets and clay’s to keep our eye in good shape.

      As someone has had the opportunity to shoot on (rare) occasion, I will say this: it is F-U-N.

    • Mathius says:

      I do not have 100,000 guns personally, I only have 26, counting pistols

      Thank you.

      I am actually an undercover agent for the BATF and we have been attempting to acquire this information for over a decade now. We will now place your information in our national database, so we know how many guns to confiscate from you when Biden implements his gun-confiscation law.

      • I will be easy to find…just look for the Texas flag and the come and take it flag…..and bring it on, Bucko. If you do this, do not forget to bring a supply of body bags with you. You may get the two of us but it will be after the fight. I might suggest bringing a truck load of raw meat for the raptors that patrol the area.

    • We’re not really gun people, and we have ten for our family of five.

      • Mathius says:

        Jennie: “A True American Family must own enough firearms that every member of the family (including infants and fetuses) can hold one in each hand simultaneously.” 🙂

      • Mathius says:

        Serious question, though, what is the marginal benefit of buying that tenth gun?

        I get, maybe, one hunting and one home defense and (one secret one for murdering your husband) and one for targets or whatnot… but why buy so many?

        So what’s the reasoning?

        • I think we only bought one of the guns we own. My husband bought it for our son for target shooting. My husband inherited a couple when his grandfather died. They are family heirlooms. The rest were all probably gifts from my dad. He is a real gun nut. My husband probably just admired them in my dad’s collection. That’s all it really takes, and you will be well armed.

        • JAC's Daughter says:

          Does your wife like shoes? Or do you know someone who does? Do you like watches? I know MANY guys who do….Why do they have more than one watch or pair of tennies, more than one pair of heels, more than one pair of sandals etc.? I own 3 pistols, g43, g19, and a Ruger LCP I (380). I got the 43 first because it was recommended as the best fit for my frame, then I got the 380 because it fits under tight dresses and pencil skirts better than the 43, then I got the 19 because I wanted to be able to defend myself for more than 6 rounds without putting in a new clip. You know, cuz mobs and CHOP and stuff….

          None were inherited, all purchase by me, for me, for different reasons. It now gives me the ability to have one in my car, carry one, and have one for home defense.

          I don’t own the best home defense, snake defense, etc., so i’ll continue to expand my collection, as I have my heels, because a girl needs a good pair of heels for any and every occasion! (or whatever type of shoe she prefers!)

          • You need to ask your dad about my war room…….

          • The wife owns waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many shoes.

            I own one pair of shoes, one pair of sandals.

            I might also have a pair of work shoes if I checked the back of the closet.

            I have one watch (an Apple watch which I hated at first and have grown to love).

            My daughters, on the other hand… one has hundreds of unicorns… the other has literally an entire room full of dragons. Like… an obscene number of dragons…

            • JAC's Daughter says:

              The wife owns waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many shoes.


              I can’t speak for everyone, but I like having different guns for different occasions just like I enjoy having a different pair of heels for different occasions. Maybe at some point in your life Mathius, you liked having more than one of something for different occasions? I know most guys are more minimalist than women, but maybe there is/was something you had/have multiple of, just because you…well like having them?

              • Mathius says:

                Well, if I could, I’d collect dogs.

                The wife (barely) conceded to having one dog – and that was because I wouldn’t marry her otherwise.*

                I suppose I have a lot of tools, but they each have their special purposes.. if I happen to have an excess of 10mm socket wrenches, it’s not a matter of collecting so much as those danged things just seem to appear and vanish without any discernable cause (like socks in the dryer).

                Hmm… BOOKS! Books. I collect the hell out of books… but I don’t know if that counts… each book is a separate entity, telling a different story… but I do love having thousands of books lined up in row after row after row on the shelves.. does that count?


                * No, seriously, it was a deal-breaker. I put my foot down on this early in the relationship back when we were just getting serious-serious. The deal is: one dog at a time (potential for overlap if a dog is getting old), always a wheaten terrier (unless I agree otherwise.. which I won’t), always female (unless she agrees otherwise.. which she won’t). We have subsequently agreed that she cannot name them after fashion brands and I can’t name them anything stupid. It is unclear what is meant by “anything stupid.”

              • JAC's Daughter says:

                I’ve heard men say you can never have too many tools, my dad being one of them. And his walk up and leave all the time! haha Maybe more similar to guns than a book collection, although a good book collection is something to be very proud of. I hated reading growing up and never been the sharpest crayon in the box, but one thing i’m proud to have today is my book collection. Back to the guns…I think the point is, once someone starts to like something (dogs, cars, shoes, guns, tools, watches etc.) they start to collect more and more of whatever that is. I don’t see guns any differently, and l like a lot of useful items there are different purposes for different kinds, right? I wouldn’t take a Lamborghini camping, but I sure as hell would drive it around town or cross country and take the King Ranch camping. I have a better chance of killing a rattlesnake with a shotgun then I do a Glock, but I can’t conceal a shotgun. I wouldn’t wear open toed heels to work, but they’d look damn good with a summer dress. Ya know?


                So smart to have those non negotiables if you knew before it was that important to you! I have mine. Now I’ve never heard of anyone’s being a dog, but good on you for knowing it was a deal-breaker and making sure it was decided on before the vows! No judgment here, I think it was a smart move, even the fine print on names and such! haha

  12. Mathius says:

    Show of hands: who has Trump’s campaign app installed on their phone?

  13. BLM, Antifa, AOC.. all want the police defunded. Sounds like an open field of fire to me.

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      We should be fair.

      While some, no doubt, mean this literally as “given no funds,” the general intended and understood meaning is “given much less money and a narrower scope.” I have no idea why they would use such a stupid and easily misconstrued slogan. But their failure to be clear doesn’t excuse others from deliberately misrepresenting what they mean.

  14. U.S.—Hackers have been blamed as Joe Biden posted a complete, coherent thought on Twitter earlier today.

    As soon as Twitter support saw that Biden had posted several complete sentences in a tweet, they immediately locked his account down, suspecting a hack.

    “The full, rational sentences were a dead giveaway,” said a Twitter IT guy. “If you’re gonna pretend to be Joe Biden, you have to add in several rambling asides, some made-up words, and three or four major gaffes. It clearly wasn’t him, so we took steps to lock down his account.”

    “Hackers, you know, thhhhe–the thing that, that hacks–hackers are dangerous,” said Joe Biden in a statement to the press. “Back in my day, hackers were the guys who would cut down your telegram wire and listen in on the ol’ party line. My cousin, Velma, she once said…” At this point, he abruptly fell asleep.

    Meanwhile, President Trump’s account posted several deranged rants about random stuff, assuring everyone that his account had not been compromised.

  15. Mathius says:

    “We may also collect other information based on your location and your Device’s proximity to ‘beacons’ and other similar proximity systems, including, for example, the strength of the signal between the beacon and your Device and the duration that your Device is near the beacon,” reads the portion added to the Trump campaign’s website privacy policy.

    Hmm…. well.. that’s an interesting thing to add to your privacy policy…. I wonder… what could that be about?

    Anyone care to take a guess? No?

    Ok, then… how’s this…

    “Beacons” are small physical wireless devices that ping smartphones to detect users’ proximity to a location. These are small and cheap and ubiquitous far beyond what you’d imagine. And, oh, by the way, there’s at least one recorded instance of a campaign putting them in campaign yard signs(!!).

    If you happen to have, say, an app that allows access to Bluetooth and it picks up one of these beacons, it can feed this information back to the campaign to build up a very precise understanding of where you are, where you go, who you interact with, etc. This is Big Data.

    Now, of course, no one would actually do this….

    Then again… “Just passed 800,000 tickets. Biggest data haul and rally signup of all time by 10x. Saturday is going to be amazing!” – Brad Parscale, Trump campaign manager

    “Biggest data haul”..?

    That’s odd.

    Wait just a second… how does one get those free tickets? Ooooh… through the app? Hmm… Well, now…. hmmm… ok

    • So if your dumb enough to need a smart phone, this is what you get.

      • Careful T Ray………I am completely ostracized by my daughter and grand children as to why I do not have a smart phone. They act as if it is a lifeline. I have a cell phone….I talk. I text. I do not have blue tooth open and I do not access the internet with my phone. According to my daughter and grand daughters, I am obsolete.

        • I’m with you Col. I just talk, no texting on my Star Trek communicator.

        • I am completely ostracized by my daughter and grand children as to why I do not have a smart phone.

          I don’t think you’re using that word right…

          I am completely ostracized by my daughter and grand children as to why I do not have a smart phone.

          I don’t think you’re using that word right…

          I am completely ostracized by my daughter and grand children as to why I do not have a smart phone.

          You, sir, are a Luddite.

          But that’s ok. Anyone (like me) who actually has a real grasp of the technology involved and how deeply Big Data has its hooks into you when you use it…. we’re fucking terrified of it.

          Most of us just… ultimately… sigh heavily and accept it as the cost of a modern living and take what steps we can to mitigate it without denying ourselves the benefits of modern technology.

          But then we see something like this… where it’s taken to a whole new level in order to manipulate a Presidential election… that’s terrifying on a whole ‘nother level.

          And what’s worse is that I can’t really fault Trump per se. Firstly because I sincerely doubt he has any clue about the nuances, but also because this was inevitable. And next cycle, whether he wins or loses, both sides are going to deploy massively more sophisticated versions of this.

          This is a problem.

          And it’s not a Red/Blue problem. It’s an American problem.

          And I see no solution.

          I just talk, no texting on my Star Trek communicator.

      • 79% of the US have smart phones, but it’s pretty sure that the Democrats aren’t the ones downloading this… and the Biden app doesn’t have these kinds of issues.

        The Trump2020 app is #6 in “news” in the Apple app store… so… make of THAT what you will… Sounds to me like you’re calling tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of Trump voters dumb.

        By the way, it has a 1 star rating in both, which gave me a bit of a chuckle until I noticed something interesting… see if you can spot it…

        Apple (iPhone) App store:

        Google Play (Android) App store:

        • Smurf Trolls

          • I would blame Biden et al for this (the obvious culprits), but I lack the faith in his campaign to believe that he would orchestrate it.

            It’s probably someone like 4-Chan or more K-Pop fans, but it’d be very interesting to see who is behind it.

            If it is Biden, he deserves to be smacked around for it.

    • Ok, do you posted this…..question is…..why? What is your point?

      • Just thought it was interesting… don’t YOU find it interesting that Trump is running what amounts to a massive data collection and covert surveillance campaign on its supporters? This is a BIG leap from anything any politician has done in the past.

        Biden isn’t even playing in the same ballpark on this. Clinton and Obama weren’t even vague glimmers in the distance and I was still deeply bothered by the intrusiveness of their campaigns.

        This is China-calliber stuff.

        No, seriously, this is basically what TikTok does, and you may recall the other day me railing against TikTok for exactly these kinds of issues.

        No one reads the TOS. You can say “he disclosed it,” but we both know that’s not really true. If it’s buried on page 402 of 874, Average Joe is just not going to know. How many people do you think signed up to be carefully monitored and give all this information to the Trump Campaign without fully understanding what they were giving?

        Frankly, this scares the crap out of me.

        And if he has a single half-way decent data scientist to make sense out of this information, he’s going to crush Biden with his get out the vote ground game in November. He’s going to know who has voted, who hasn’t. He’ll be able to ping your friends to “remind you” to vote. He’ll know where he has long lines to show up with refreshments. He’ll know what neighborhoods to target with bussing. He’ll have your email and phone and be able to ping you if you haven’t voted. He’ll know when you’re in the neighborhood of the poling place and be able make your phone pop up a message “hey, it looks like you’re about to pass your polling place – why don’t you stop in and vote?”

        Biden is going to get demolished if Trump deploys this right.

        But we should all be perturbed by the idea of any campaign having this kind of information on its voters. I despise Facebook and other social media for exactly this reason (and I actively block it), but they’re private companies. People in government should NOT have this kind of information.

        Anyone concerned with privacy – whether left or right – should be shitting a brick over this.

        • For someone as tech savvy as you, I am surprised that you are now so upset at the inevitable direction of data collection. Is this because it is Trump’s team doing it? Would it have been OK if Obama, Hillary or Biden did it? I remember all the kudos about Obama’s voter and donor database being so much superior to McCain’s and Romney’s. I did not hear you complain then.

          I refuse to sign up for store discount cards because they are tracking every purchase. There is no need to do this. I just go to different stores and when I must purchase in one of these stores, I loudly complain about it so other customers get the message. I have left goods on the checkout counter and walked out. If my money is not as good as the guy behind me, then they lose my business.

        • I don’t have the APP and have no intention on getting it. So, no, I’m not scared. It’s not like he’s spying on the other campaign, so no big deal.

          • I hear he is hiring a law firm who will hire a research firm who will hire a foreign spy to pay foreign adversaries for dirt on his opponent.

        • Sir Mathius…

          don’t YOU find it interesting that Trump is running what amounts to a massive data collection and covert surveillance campaign on its supporters? No I do not find it interesting at all. I find it abhorrent.

          This is a BIG leap from anything any politician has done in the past. This is a crock of “El Toro Poo Poo”. Obama used the FBI, Clinton’s used all sorts of methods of data collection and used them.

          This is China-calliber stuff. Noooope……this is so far below using the FISA courts and false dossiers and the FBI……THAT is China stuff.

          Frankly, this scares the crap out of me It should scare the crap out of you. But his is no different than Visa or Master Card or Facebook or Google tracking everything you do…it is the same and you should find that scary as well. None of this data mining for buying and selling habits stuff….it is just as dangerous as anything.

          he’s going to crush Biden with his get out the vote ground game in November. He’s going to know who has voted, who hasn’t. He’ll be able to ping your friends to “remind you” to vote. He’ll know where he has long lines to show up with refreshments. He’ll know what neighborhoods to target with bussing. He’ll have your email and phone and be able to ping you if you haven’t voted. He’ll know when you’re in the neighborhood of the poling place and be able make your phone pop up a message “hey, it looks like you’re about to pass your polling place – why don’t you stop in and vote?” Yes, a competent data miner can do this….Obama was a master at it. He did it perfectly himself.

          People in government should NOT have this kind of information. Nor should private companies and just because they are private does not lessen the impact. It is data mining and I find that well beyond the pail.

          Anyone concerned with privacy – whether left or right – should be shitting a brick over this. Yes….I am….but I have learned how to smooth the edges so my ass does not slam shut. (Now, get THAT mental image).

          And I pointed out to my significant other……she likes face book. You CANNOT MAKE YOUR INFORMATION PRIVATE EVEN IF YOU CHECK THE LITTLE BOX. YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY SOCIAL MEDIA PRIVATE. Impossible. Everything you do with your credit cards and even your vehicle registration is all nationwide data base. You should be equally incensed over this as well……

  16. Sir Mathius, I gave your request some serious thought…….An Ice cold Dr Pepper, soaking in the hot tub in early morning hours, eating a package of cheese crackers, and watching the hummingbirds fly around……..I decided to opt out of your request.

    I can say this, however……in Texas, you do not register to vote in any party. Also, in Texas, you can vote in any primary (not both) and then vote in elections the direct opposite. No one cares whether you are Democrat or Republican or Independent at the polls. In the primaries, you are simply asked if you are Republican or Democrat. There is no independent polling station as the independents are listed on both ballots.

    Having said this…….I do not donate to either party because I do not want the continuous mailings asking for more donations. It is plain to see that e-mail lists are sold back and forth. I have received emails and snail mail from both parties, not requested, of course. It is plain to see that addresses and phone numbers are sold as well as I can attest receiving calls from both parties.

    Now, the crux of all of this, is that the messages from the Republican party are mostly upbeat and focus on hot button issues. (This may vary by State). I know several people that live in Oklahoma that are never asked questions on immigration and closing the border, but I guarantee you that everyone in Texas is bombarded with border ads….from both sides. The Democratic ads always are focusing on how bad they see things and focus on social issues. The Republican ads and mailings focus on the economy and the Democratic ads and mailings focus on how unfair our system is. The Republican ads are very strongly focused on a strong military and defense posture while most (not all ) of the Democratic ads are anti-military (or appear to be) and anti-cop.

    In trying to be as objective as an old timer can be (this is hard to do), I see the Dems always saying how bad we are or the President is and I see the Republican ads hitting things like immigration, high taxes, and less regulations. It appears that the Dem ads in Texas, are lacking in substance for future issues.

    And, Finally, if Biden comes to Texas and tells Texans that Beto Baby is going to come after their guns…….well, you can imagine. The other ting, that does not seem to make the news on Beto, was an inordinate amount of votes from precincts where that number did not exist. He had over 75,000 fraudulent votes thrown out in districts where the votes cast out numbered the population along the border. So……Biden putting BETO BOY in charge of anything will lose him Texas for sure.

  17. Condone: accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.

    Condemn: express complete disapproval of, typically in public; censure.

    T-Ray: If you do not condemn the violence, make excuses for it, encourage it, and do not suppress it, then you are no different than the rioters. If the shoe fits, wear it.

    Mathius: I don’t condone violence.

    Condone implies no action. It is passive. Condemn is a much stronger. Here is my problem with you and your blue team. You mouth the words that you do not condone the violence but you do not condemn and take no action to suppress this behavior. By your lack of action you tacitly support the bad behavior. By continuing to vote for and to support those that do nothing to quell the violence in their cities or by supporting those that report the violence as mostly peaceful, you are actively agreeing with and supporting the anarchy. In addition you justify these actions by making excuses. You of course but in the caveat that the rioters, BLM, etc. “believe” they have justified grievances but you know full well these grievances are based on lies. So you tacitly condone the actions of these people because you feel they think they have legitimate grievances and continue to vote for politicians that do the same.

    For the last several years we have seen the suppression of free speech on our college campuses. It is the conservatives who are being driven, in some cases violently, off campus. I have seen many on the right condemn these actions. I have seen no party leaders from the left speak out and condemn the actions and tell the anti-free speech crowd to stop it. So suppression of free speech is tacitly approved by the blue team you support. As I have said before, you are part of the problem.

    • You seemed to have missed this bit: “But I don’t need to condemn Gman’s paranoid fantasies, either.”

      I don’t have to allow myself to be baited into condemning things that exist only in his fevered imagination.

      Hey, T-Ray, why aren’t you condemning Trump’s rape and subsequent cannibalism of a 10 year old child? See the ploy here? I can make up anything I want and then insist you condemn “your side” for it.

      Tacit in your post is the assumption that the things he says are true and that my failure to condemn is a moral failing and an implicit blessing of the behavior. But I REJECT this implication.

      He says that NYC, for example, is a warzone. I don’t have to condemn the violence of “my side” in this warzone because it doesn’t exist. And I won’t pretend otherwise.

      Are there violent people? Yes. And I condemn THEM.

      Are there looting opportunists? Yes. And I condemn THEM.

      But I’m not going to sit here and pretend that “[Democrats/liberals/BLM/whatever] hate facts and truth. They hate blacks. They hate Jews. […] They just plain hate everything that we cherish.”

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        When did you stop beating your wife?

      • Once again you get down in the weeds and miss the big picture. I am not talking about what gman said. I am talking about your general views and those of the blue team you support. You say all the right words but you fail to act. Therefore, you tacitly support the violence and anarchy. All of these big city mayors who have stood back and let their cities burn, let people get injured and killed are just as guilty of the crimes as the anarchists. They need to be voted out of office wholesale. Biden is one of them.

        The same goes for the governors who have locked down states and destroyed a good economy. They sent the sick into nursing homes to get rid of granny. I stated early on this was a multivariate problem but we as country and you as an individual still view at as a univariate problem.

        I posted the results (paraphrased) of 5 European studies that showed open schools do not spread the virus w/o masks, w/o distancing. This is the science but you go with the politicized edicts of the CDC. Sweden is now approaching herd immunity w/o closing their society. NYC is also approaching herd immunity. The death rates are staggeringly different. We panicked, they didn’t. New Zealand closed their borders, did aggressive contact tracing and has virtually zero Corona virus. But they have no herd immunity and must either take a risk or remain closed.

        I live in a blue state as do you. Monochrome political systems are the path to destruction.

        • Once again you get down in the weeds and miss the big picture.

          Or maybe the problem is you’re trying to paint a big picture with faulty brush strokes..?

          You say all the right words but you fail to act

          What would you have me do? Should I buy a gun and start tracking down looters to shoot?

          Maybe it’d be better if I voted for Republicans going forward?

          What “action” are you looking for from me?

          Biden is one of them.

          Biden is blech.

          Trump is radioactive waste.

          I don’t have a choice.

          And I mean that literally because, due to the Electoral College, my vote is literally worthless.

          This is the science but you go with the politicized edicts of the CDC.

          I follow the advice of my doctor and the CDC. I try to be as well informed as I can be – and I think even you will admit that’s pretty well informed – but at the end of the day, I recognize the limits of my time/energy/access/ability and generally defer to the experts.

          I’m not sure why you think the CDC is so political.

          Sweden is now approaching herd immunity w/o closing their society.

          Maybe. I don’t know that. And neither do you.

          But I don’t know if you know this or not, but the US is a different country with different considerations, different demographics, and different population densities than Sweden.

          Oh, and they have universal healthcare…. just sayin’…

          NYC is also approaching herd immunity.

          I don’t know that and neither do you.

          NYC also spent months with mass causalities on the order of a 9/11 every day or two.

          And, by the way, let’s not pretend “dead” is the only potential negative outcome. There are lots and lots of potentially life-long impacts even when you survive. We’re going to be feeling this for decades.

          New Zealand closed their borders, did aggressive contact tracing and has virtually zero Corona virus. But they have no herd immunity and must either take a risk or remain closed.

          NZ crushed this virus. They put their foot down hard and crushed it.

          You are correct that they do not necessarily have any herd immunity, but if they can keep their contact tracing in place – which they will – then they will be just fine until a vaccine is available.

          I live in a blue state as do you. Monochrome political systems are the path to destruction.


          Let’s kill the EC and implement a ranked voter choice system. We could kill both the Red and Blue teams in a single election cycle.

          Hell, even leave the EC in place if you absolutely must but a RVS would allow people to vote for their actual preferences (which I’d be willing to bet are almost never Red / Blue) without fear of handing the election over to the other side. President might still go Red/Blue, but congress would be all over the place.

          • I’m not sure why you think the CDC is so political. Because it is.

          • But I don’t know if you know this or not, but the US is a different country with different considerations, different demographics, and different population densities than Sweden. Agreed….then the left needs to quit touting its health care system…..

          • There are lots and lots of potentially life-long impacts even when you survive. We’re going to be feeling this for decades. You just spent several lines of saying “you do not know this”……..well, apply it here

  18. EXILE……I am in EXILE…….I got data mined by Mathius……EXILE.


    This is an example of how the Democratic PARTY is handling the current situation. I don’t believe all democrats support this type of violence, but the Democratic PARTY does. So if people continue to vote them into office they are voting for, and supporting, more of this type of violence, whether they agree with the violence or not.

  20. I will be absent again until sometime tomorrow, going walleye fishing again. 😀

  21. Something very interesting on the news today. With all the hoopla about Texas being one of the states with increasing Covid, there is something very unique. A Nurse supervisor from Houston was interviewed and she showed no signs of fear as she explained that the numbers of Covid positives are not accurate. According to her, once a patient is admitted and tests positive for Covid, and they are treating the patient, it is standard procedure to test periodically for Covid. Several times over the period of hospitalization. Each time the patient tests positive it is reported as a positive test. So, she says, it is not subtracted at any point. If one patient is tested three or four times until tested negative, it is reported as four positive tests on the reports.

    A young news hound got into this and has verified the story in San Antonio and Dallas as well. Since Covid funds are based on the number of positive tests……it is easy to see why hospitals do this. The more tests, the more money.

    I am quite sure that Texas is not the only place this is happening…so….maybe the actual Covid cases are 3 or 5 times greater? It could easily explain why the ICU’s are not over run and there is plenty of space. The numbers do not jive.

    • It has also been reported that several FL testing labs are reporting near 100% positives. On investigation at one of them, the 98% reported was actually 9.8%. Several flows ups showed similar misrepresentations. So the surges may be overestimated or just plain fake.

      I have also heard about people going on line to fill out application forms for testing, then going to the testing site. Finding long lines, they leave only get a positive test result a few days later.

    • Mathius says:

      Each time the patient tests positive it is reported as a positive test. So, she says, it is not subtracted at any point. If one patient is tested three or four times until tested negative, it is reported as four positive tests on the reports.

      I keep hearing this… I’d really be shocked to find out that it’s true.

      It might be counted as “positive tests,” but I really can’t fathom that it’s be counted as multiple positive cases.

      Don’t suppose you can provide any reputable sourcing on this..? “Random nurse says” isn’t particularly solid…

      That’s not to say it’s “wrong,” but, you know…. I just doubt it.

      • understand,,,,,saw it on Channel five news here,,,,,,it was an interview and she was not shy about calling it out. Channel five here is NBC.

      • By the way..i did not say random nurse…i said nurse supervisor and she was raising an alarm, me thinks. But, if this is true, it is not the first time hospitals take advantage of things like this to increase federal dollars.

  22. Mathius says:

    Can’t find it, but someone (Colonel?) said the other day that they believed doctors are getting pressure to report everything potentially COVID as COVID. I said I’d ask my Dr., which I haven’t done.


    My kids are going for their physical tomorrow… I asked the nurse when scheduling, and she said that no way no how are they getting any pressure to classify things as COVID unless they know it’s COVID. She wouldn’t say how much she’s seen in their practice (HIPPA), but said it wasn’t much and every reported case was backed by a positive test result.

    Obviously, different practices in different states may have different experiences.

    And, obviously, I spoke to a nurse, not the Dr., so that may also have been a factor. Either way, this is anecdotal, and just one data point. But there ya go..

    • Just A Citizen says:

      The reports of pressure have been around Hospitals or large Health Organizations which happen to have hospitals as well. Kaiser for example.

      Docs started reporting this a few months back. And it was because the Fed money for Covid was tied to Covid cases. Not the cost of preparing for or dealing with a rush of freaked out people. Idaho is now reporting “people who go to an emergency room to get checked” as some kind of meaningful metric. Yet when Idaho had only 5 cases the number who had run to emergency rooms for testing was in the hundreds.

      It is looking like there are a lot of bad numbers and information out there. Also a great void of information needed locally that could help reduce infections. I suspect little of this is doe to any real nefarious reason. Except the need to report Covid to get Fed dollars. I have no doubt that kind of thing has happened. I can just see some Comptroller or CFO raising the issue with adminstrators.

    • Appreciate it….I was the one who asked.

  23. Mathius says:

    Colonel, down here…

    Obama used the FBI,

    Gonna have to ask you to support this claim…

    And even if it were true, the FBI doesn’t (or really shouldn’t) have this kind of level of granular tracking and relationship detail on civilians.

    This isn’t “FDR”.. .this is Chinese Government levels of tracking and surveillance.

    Clinton’s used all sorts of methods of data collection and used them.

    She absolutely did. But she didn’t do this.

    Not that she wouldn’t have.. you know, because she’s a sociopath… but she didn’t. Maybe the tech wasn’t quite there, or no one on her team had the idea to use it this way. But she didn’t do this.

    She used FB and other Big Data sources and whatnot in line with what Trump used at the time.

    But I’m telling you… this is NEW.

    This is NEW and you should treat it as NEW and you should be concerned.

    Not because Trump.

    This isn’t TDS. This, really, has nothing to do with him.

    This is just a new tool and his campaign is the one to have really brought it out and developed it, but if weren’t him, it would have been someone else this cycle or next. It was really inevitable now that I look back.

    So, you can bet your backside that, next election cycle, it’s going to be sooooooo much worse and from both sides. (And I’m not even talking here about how he’s using the app to create his own little bubble reality of state-media. I’m ONLY talking about the trading and data collection). This is going to turn ugly.

    Like dystopian ugly.

    I am not exaggerating here.

    We need to drag Ajit Pai onto the Washington Mall and lock him in a pillory until he fixes this.

    • I know you are serious, sir. But this is nothing more than using technology. And here is the slippery slope…….are you as serious about data mining credit cards and tracing shopping habits? I do not see a difference. Data mining and tracing people in advertising or politics… just wrong and I do not like it. I am in agreement with you but it is not going to stop and there is no law that you can write to stop this. This is the technology that everybody wants and your are correct, it is going to get worse. Much worse. The more anyone gets used to technology, the greater the freedoms you give up.

      It is especially the same in the medical field. I do not give permission for my records to be accessed through a data base so every doctor and hospital can see. But even though I check the little box NO on the medical history sharing…it still gets shared. I have seen you argue for such… a data base for gun ownership and purchase history and serial numbers so things can be tracked.

      You should be just as upset that every single cell phone call can be intercepted and traced and voice prints made so whereabouts can be traced or a pinged telephone so that you trace a person across a country or a wayward wife or husband. I have seen this personally at Fort Huachaca….that is how we trace drug runners and can pin down “burner” phones.

      I have personally seen the technology of satellite pictures where we can read the names on the shirts of military fatigues….or zero in on a trash dump to see the labels on discarded boxes of food and such to determine the type of food and therefore determine the origin of troops.

      Uncontrolled technology is dangerous…very dangerous. VERY VERY dangerous but it is like flood waters. you cannot control it. Ok…so Trump, or his team, has figured something out and how to use it to their advantage…….like you said, it is not Trump but that it can be done and no amount of law is going to stop it. Laws do not stop people now……

      Technology can be our friend and it can be our enemy. It is here and I am like you…I do not like it. But, I do not share your thoughts that this is the first time. No sir……

      Do you remember the age old thing about using subliminal cut in movies? Marketing uses it all the time. They tried make it illegal but technology is such that subliminal cuts cannot be caught….messages get sent out all the time and children and adults do not even know it is affecting their habits.

      Technology is dangerous and I do not like it because it can be LEGALLY CRIMINAL…..interesting play on words, doncha know.

      So, my intrepid friend, how do you propose to stop it? If President Mathius could do something what would it be?

      • Mathius says:

        But, I do not share your thoughts that this is the first time.

        You need to hear the words I’m saying, colonel.

        I am the Chief Technology Officer of a billion-dollar hedge fund. I am a CISSP certified information systems security professional. I am smart, I am well informed, I am well educated, and I have a very firm grasp of technology.

        If you say a thing about the military and you put your stamp on it, I trust you. Because YOU are an expert in that field. So you need to hear what I am saying.

        This is NEW.

        This is not Facebook. This is not Apple. This is not Mastercard.

        This is TikTok.

        And if you think they’re equivalent, you do not understand what’s going on.

        TikTok does this same kind of thing… and it’s run by the Chinese Government in an effort to collect data on hundreds of millions of people. Make no mistake, it is a tool the Chinese Government is using to control its populace and to deploy as an offensive weapon. I would argue that TikTok (and other Chinese data-theft apps) are absolutely a matter of national security – and I would be shocked to find that that the government wasn’t at least keeping a close eye on it.

        What the Trump2020 App is doing is on par with the Chinese Government.

        This is NEW.

        He didn’t start this. I don’t blame him. This was an arms race – Obama got an early lead, but could only get so far with the technology of the time. Trump just got to the top first. It was an arms race, and he won. The Trump campaign has now built and deployed a WMD.

        Maybe just a first-generation WMD, but make no mistake that that is what this is. This is a nuke compared to conventional weaponry.

        And it is NEW.

        And you need to understand that.

        It might take a few cycles for it all to manifest. But you need to understand that we’ve crossed a watershed point.

        And I am not being hyperbolic.


        Don’t believe me? That’s fine. I’m sure you know lots of people. Get a second opinion. Find an IT security specialist at the NSA and ask them about TikTok and it’s similarities to the Trump2020 app. Ask them about the potential power and whether they think this is just what’s been happening for years with Mastercard, or if this is a game-changer. If they don’t agree, have them come here and explain it to me.

        • Don’t believe me? Of course, I believe you. I think that I have stated this. BUT….if you need the statement…..I DO BELIEVE YOU…100%. But your analogy is spot on on the nuke. BUT, that still does not change things. I understand that you say that it has “crossed the watershed”. I know about TikTok….have known about it. I know what it does. That is why I used to semblance of subliminal cut.

          So… the Chinese taking over the South China sea and now claiming part of the Philippine Islands….What do we do? You are the tech expert…I like to think that I am a military expert….certainly have the credentials…..I know what I would do about China……what do you do about this technology that is available?

          This is the new cold war, is it not?

          • By the way…..I completely understand that this is NEW. I just take it in stride as I am trained to do. But it does not lessen the impact.

          • Mathius says:

            what do you do about this technology that is available?

            what do you do about this technology that is available?

            Honestly? I haven’t a clue.

            It’s pandora’s box. It’s open. It’s been open, it’s stuck open, and this thing was going to crawl out sooner or later, no matter what. There’s no stuffing it back in.

            Stopgap? Get the FCC to declare open war on Big Data. Fat chance. Especially with a shill like Pai in the chair.

            This is the new cold war, is it not?


            Oh, very much so.

            Well, no… because this is not going to stay a “cold” war.

            In this analogy, both sides point nukes at each other and nobody pulls the trigger because MAD. But this one? No… not only are both sides going to constantly pull the trigger while building up their arsenal, but there’s no way to even begin to slow down proliferation. It’ll start with Red Team and Blue Team at the national level, then it’s going to make “RedMap” look like child’s play on the local level, then every politician down to dog catcher is going to have access to it.

            The problem, the big fear I’m having, is that, much like Gerrymandering, when they have this much power and control, it’s not going to be a question of The People picking their government so much as the government picking and choosing what people to have vote for what. It’s an inversion of democracy.

  24. Mathius says:

    Colonel… continued…

    It should scare the crap out of you. But his is no different than Visa or Master Card or Facebook or Google tracking everything you do

    That’s bad, and I’ve always hated it… but it’s not the government tracking you.

    And that’s what this is.

    Trump is the government right now.

    You think the PRESIDENT should know where broad swaths of the country are, who they talk to, who they interact with, all their little habits, etc. And have the ability to feed unrestricted information directly onto their phones.

    Forget that it’s Trump. I don’t care that it’s Trump. If it were Clinton, would be just as bad. Maybe worse. I’m looking at the future… next time and the time after… this is going to get worse, not better.

    The potential for abuse is…. well, it’s staggering.

    It’s staggering. And it’s inevitable.

    Yes, a competent data miner can do this….Obama was a master at it. He did it perfectly himself.

    Yes… you’re probably right.. he was the first to really leverage Big Data this was for a major political campaign. You may recall the left cheering on his brilliance.

    I would agree with you, really, that he opened the door and stepped through it. What Trump is doing isn’t a knock on Trump, per se. It’s the inevitable, logical extension of that.

    The availability and pervasiveness of the technology (which really wasn’t available in ’08 the way it is today) was really just a disaster waiting to happen. If Obama ran today, he’d probably be doing the same thing (or worse). The only differences I could imagine are Obama being a bit more subtle. But that would hardly make it any less terrifying.

    So I’m not faulting Trump. He’s just doing the logical thing and making use of the tools at his disposal (and Biden isn’t). And, unless his team are morons, he’s going to crush Biden with this weapon.

    And every politician on the planet is going to raise an eyebrow. And the next cycle is going to be……. bad.

    But you also have to remember that Trump will still have this power as President. He will be able to tap into microtargeted demographics at a whim. He will know who you are, who your friends are, what your interests are… you know as well as I do how that kind of power will get leveraged.

    This is an arms race, and Trump built a nuke. It was inevitable that someone was going to build a nuke. But he got there first. Fine. Whatever. But we both know that the Democrats are going to build nukes of their own. And we both know how that turns out.

  25. Mathius says:

    Colonel.. last one, I promise I hope..

    People in government should NOT have this kind of information. Nor should private companies and just because they are private does not lessen the impact. It is data mining and I find that well beyond the pail.


    Completely agreed.

    But, again, private companies are bad. Very bad.

    But they want to sell you things.

    Politicians are very, very, very, very, very bad.

    They want to control you.

    Anyone concerned with privacy – whether left or right – should be shitting a brick over this. Yes….I am….

    So, what are you going to do about it?

    but I have learned how to smooth the edges so my ass does not slam shut. (Now, get THAT mental image).


    And I pointed out to my significant other……she likes face book. You CANNOT MAKE YOUR INFORMATION PRIVATE EVEN IF YOU CHECK THE LITTLE BOX. YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY SOCIAL MEDIA PRIVATE. Impossible. Everything you do with your credit cards and even your vehicle registration is all nationwide data base. You should be equally incensed over this as well……

    I am.

    I have been.

    I will continue to be.

    I have Facebook, but I haven’t been an active user in years. SUFA is the closest I come to using “social media.”

    The thing is.. just existing in this digital era generates an enormous data footprint. I don’t have to use FB for Big Data to learn allllll kinds of things. And I’d have to really inconvenience myself to even make the tiniest dent in what they collect.

    And I pointed out to my significant other……she likes face book.

    There’s a way to extract all your data in one big zip file. I did this once to see what FB knew about me… it’s….. a lot.

    And that’s only the direct information (your posts and pictures and messages and likes, etc)… that’s none of the inferences they’ve drawn about you. They know when you’re having a kid or getting married or moving.. they know your race and religion.. and so. They know your political ideology. They know huge swaths of the sites you visit.

    And I pointed out to my significant other……she likes face book.

    Facebook knows you’re on SUFA.

    They know when you’re on SUFA.

    They know how long you’re on SUFA.

    They know your username on SUFA.

    They know what you wrote on SUFA.

    All of that goes into the Big Data files.

  26. Mathius says:

    Updated election prediction: Trump landslide victory driven by voter turnout.

    (Think “Obama’s ground game” from ’08.. but on steroids)

    • Just A Citizen says:

      That was actually Trump’s advantage last time. Not sure it will be significantly better this time while the D’s have been working on their programs, computer and otherwise.

      • Mathius says:

        Trump didn’t have this last time. He had a pretty solid Obama-caliber system. He definitely out-classed Clinton on it. He bought data from places like Cambridge and FB and deployed it well. He might have had an app, but it certainly wants this.

        This is something new.

        Obama / Clinton / Trump ’12 were Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. Bad, definitely. But a different animal.

        This isn’t Facebook. This is TikTok. This is wholesale data-grabbing, personal tracking, network hijacking invasiveness on a brand new level.

        The D’s, I’m sure have been hard at work. But the Biden app isn’t even playing in the same league.

        Again, I want to be clear, I’m not blaming Trump et al. This was inevitable. If it weren’t him, it would be someone else. But it IS new, and it IS profoundly dangerous.

  27. I have a reply above…… and I are on the same page. Damned if I know what to do about it. Like cell phones and computers…..they are here. Data mining is here……and it is controlling and BIG BROTHER is and has been watching.

    Sort of like a gun, isn’t it? It is safe if it is in the correct hands… becomes hazardous and downright dangerous in the hands of someone different… mining is the new uncontrolled purchasing of a weapon……………….AND, it is not just in the hands of adults. These frigging kids of today….are all miniature Sheldon’s when it comes to computer brilliance. It is scary… what DO we do? I am prepared to fight it…but how? I try to be as invisible as I can but it is impossible these days.

    You are preaching to the choir, my friend.

  28. Sir Mathius

    When Drs. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi of Accelerated Urgent Care held a press conference last week, their goal was to galvanize policymakers to reopen the economy.

    The California-based hospital owners may have uncorked a bigger story.

    During their long discussion with reporters, Dr. Erickson noted he has spoken to numerous physicians who say they are being pressured to add COVID-19 to death certificates and diagnostic lists—even when the novel coronavirus appears to have no relation to the victim’s cause of death.

    “They say, ‘You know, it’s interesting. When I’m writing up my death report I’m being pressured to add Covid,’” Erickson said. “Why is that? Why are we being pressured to add Covid? To maybe increase the numbers, and make it look a little bit worse than it is?”

    The longtime ER doctors, who had their video removed from YouTube after the American College of Emergency Physicians (ACEP) and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine (AAEM) jointly condemned their briefing, aren’t the only ones to say COVID-19 is being classified uniquely. (There’s reason to question some of the snap conclusions the physicians reached in their briefing, but YouTube’s decision to ban them is absurd, if predictable.)

    Earlier this month, Illinois’s top health official explained that any victim diagnosed with the novel coronavirus would be classified as a COVID-19 death—regardless of whether it contributed to the patient’s death.

    “If you died of a clear alternate cause, but you had Covid at the same time, it’s still listed as a Covid death,” Dr. Ngozi Ezike, the director of Illinois’s Department of Public Health, explained to reporters.


    Kind of spooky, eh? (remember, if I knew how to put in a link, I would so I copy it)

    • Some more: As Minnesota lawmaker and longtime family practitioner Dr. Scott Jensen recently observed, hospitals are incentivized to pressure physicians to include COVID-19 on death certificates and discharge papers, since the CARES Act increases Medicare payments to hospitals treating COVID-19 victims.

    • A little more: Because if it’s a straightforward, garden-variety pneumonia that a person is admitted to the hospital for—if they’re Medicare—typically, the diagnosis-related group lump sum payment would be $5,000,” said Jensen, whose claim was fact-checked by USA Today. “But if it’s COVID-19 pneumonia, then it’s $13,000, and if that COVID-19 pneumonia patient ends up on a ventilator, it goes up to $39,000.”

      • By creating a massive federal program that links goosed Medicare payments to COVID-19 treatments, the feds incentivized hospitals to add COVID-19 to diagnostic lists and death certificates. It also incentivized hospitals to get patients on ventilators, which may have done more harm than good, as hospitals have reported unusually high fatality rates for COVID-19 patients on ventilators.

        “We aren’t pressured to test for flu,” Dr. Erickson said during his press conference. “Why are we being pressured to add Covid?”

  29. The CDC issued interim guidance last month that allowed for “probable” or “likely” COVID-19 designations if the disease was assumed to be a contributing cause.“An accurate count of the number of deaths due to COVID-19 infection, which depends in part on proper death certification, is critical to ongoing public health surveillance and response,” the updated guidance reads. “Ideally, testing for COVID-19 should be conducted, but it is acceptable to report COVID-19 on a death certificate without this confirmation if the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty.”

    Notice the words and their use: Assumed……Acceptable.

  30. So I asked my husband (hospital physician administrator) about the Covid numbers. He said that the number of cases you see posted represent unique individuals. Those numbers are collected and reported by local health departments and are associated with patient identifiers, so there should not be any duplicates.

    • So, in retrospect, the hospitals that are duplicating numbers are trying to scam the system. Makes sense.

    • The one hospital in Houston, according to the local news, claims that the ICU beds are totally full and there is no room……investigation showed that the ICU beds only had a 15% Covid occupation rate…and the rest of the beds were occupied with normal trauma patients not Covid related. The theory is that if you keep the beds full, there are additional funds available from the government, and it does not have to be Covid related…..interesting.

  31. Mathius says:


    Can you ask your husband (hospital physician administrator) and an additional question for us?

    I have been seeing hysterical reporting along the lines that new directives reroute covid data from hospitals into a Trump-controlled server and away from the CDC. Obviously, this has a number of implications and the rumor mill is running wild with them. What can he tell us about this new change and what it actually means / might mean?


  32. Interesting note from a non classified intel briefing in Texas…..since the Covid scare started in February, we have seen a 42% increase in child trafficking across the border. Some of this related to what Mathius was talking about Tik Tok.

    We also discovered a child trafficking link from Europe to the Puerto Vallarta International shipping zone up through the border into Arizona and California. They are by passing the Texas and New Mexico border because of the increased surveillance and interference from the Texas National guard. ( We are in cooperation with New Mexico and help them ). Arizona and California do not patrol their borders with state assets.

    We need to close the border and force everything through check points. Human trafficking is becoming more lucrative than running guns. And this human trafficking is NOT the “coyotes” smuggling people across the border seeking work…the true people seeking work are going where they are supposed to go. This is slavery and child trafficking crossing the border and no one seems to care.

    • Ah but the real slaver is Trump who puts the kids in cages.

    • Suddenly its all the rage on my kids’ and their gang’s social media. Lots of stuff is false in details but the kids are very aware now. Connecting dots between Epstein, Maxwell, B Clinton, Hollywood child stars stories coming out, something about the Wayfair company being involved. I’m sure I don’t know half of what they see. The point is..they..the 20 somethings, are hip to it now.

    • So how is Tik tok related to child trafficking? Haven’t heard about this. My kids don’t do tik tok, but I know it’s really popular among kids their age. I’m sure any day now it will become uncool, and they will all move on to the next new thing which could be worse.

      • I have to first hand knowledge of this, but what I saw on the TV with several pediatric doctors was that Tik Tok is heavily inundated into several of the children’s games. They claimed that very savvy pedophiles are adept at pretending to be the same age and can talk kids into anything. The latest example was that of two 6 year olds talked into posing for nude pictures…….6 years old…I cannot imagine but this is what I heard. They can talk children into meeting them at play grounds and such. I confess that I do not know how this works but in my briefing, it was mentioned.

        Now…..understand that “trafficking” does not have a singular meaning in this context. Trafficking means pictures, films, magazines, and photographs. The CIA and FBI have become very adept at following things on what they call the dark web. That is how they found the link through Mexico….HOWEVER, the children of South America and Central America are routinely kidnapped and funneled up here for some sicko bastards.

        We were told that in poor neighborhood play grounds in Central America where children are often left alone, pedophiles have these games with them and lure the children that way. Then exploited for whatever means there is….Almost all of these countries are run by juntas or socialist governments and the internet is largely shut down and no one has anything. So it is easy to show a child a game on a device and then become friends with them and “voila” a recipe for danger.

        This world is mean and getting worse.

        • I meant to say in my first sentence…I have NO first hand knowledge…(all this technical crap we have and my key board still does not know how to spell)

        • Mathius says:

          For the life of me, I cannot understand how anyone other than a pure sociopath / psychopath could possibly engage in this behavior. Not just the end result, but the trafficking and anyone who looks the other way.

          I cannot imagine a level of economic desperation wherein I would find myself willing to do such things to a child. What lies they must tell themselves to justify it….

          What depraved and sad excuses for human beings. I have no idea how they sleep at night.

          • Boggles the mind, doesn’t it. I felt the exact same as a young soldier in Vietnam. I would see a farmer send his daughter out to probe a filed for land mines. The supposed theory behind it was….having a water buffalo to plow was more important than the life of a female child so the child probes for land mines. The son was also preserved for heavy work and you can always have another female child. It was ludicrous.

            Being on the border and seeing how young some of these children are is mind blowing. But, parents are known to sell their child.


    Another lie making its way around the world. How can these people truly look themselves in the mirror?

  34. Ray Hawkins says:

    I’ll keep eye poking on things like this – lot of absolutes being chucked around that ‘kids cannot transmit covid to one another’ and ‘kids cannot transmit to adults/parents’. The article link below is similar to a WSJ article I didn’t post because of paywall – but is effectively the same story regarding what happened in Israel. For shits and giggles……some of the same is being reported out of areas of Australia.

    Israeli Data Show School Openings Were a Disaster That Wiped Out Lockdown Gains

    • Yep….who do you believe….I have seen numerous round tables with all sorts of fancy doctors all having their say and all are different and all are sounding alarms in different manners…..makes one want to just throw up their hands. Fortunately, I do not have to worry about it. I have grand children… it is up to their parents to decide.

      • Then you have this from the American Academy of Pediatrics:

        The AAP strongly advocates that all policy considerations for the coming school year should start with a goal of having students physically present in school. The importance of in-person learning is well-documented, and there is already evidence of the negative impacts on children because of school closures in the spring of 2020. Lengthy time away from school and associated interruption of supportive services often results in social isolation, making it difficult for schools to identify and address important learning deficits as well as child and adolescent physical or sexual abuse, substance use, depression, and suicidal ideation. This, in turn, places children and adolescents at considerable risk of morbidity and, in some cases, mortality. Beyond the educational impact and social impact of school closures, there has been substantial impact on food security and physical activity for children and families.

        Policy makers must also consider the mounting evidence regarding COVID-19 in children and adolescents, including the role they may play in transmission of the infection. SARS-CoV-2 appears to behave differently in children and adolescents than other common respiratory viruses, such as influenza, on which much of the current guidance regarding school closures is based. Although children and adolescents play a major role in amplifying influenza outbreaks, to date, this does not appear to be the case with SARS-CoV-2. Although many questions remain, the preponderance of evidence indicates that children and adolescents are less likely to be symptomatic and less likely to have severe disease resulting from SARS-CoV-2 infection. In addition, children may be less likely to become infected and to spread infection. Policies to mitigate the spread of COVID-19 within schools must be balanced with the known harms to children, adolescents, families, and the community by keeping children at home.

        Finally, policy makers should acknowledge that COVID-19 policies are intended to mitigate, not eliminate, risk. No single action or set of actions will completely eliminate the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission, but implementation of several coordinated interventions can greatly reduce that risk.


        who do you believe…..

        • Then this from the NYT: Citing Educational Risks, Scientific Panel Urges That Schools Reopen

          Younger children in particular are ill-served by remote learning, according to a report issued by the National Academies of Science, Engineering and Medicine.

        • And this: When Science looked at reopening strategies from South Africa to Finland to Israel, some encouraging patterns emerged. Together, they suggest a combination of keeping student groups small and requiring masks and some social distancing helps keep schools and communities safe, and that younger children rarely spread the virus to one another or bring it home. But opening safely, experts agree, isn’t just about the adjustments a school makes. It’s also about how much virus is circulating in the community, which affects the likelihood that students and staff will bring COVID-19 into their classrooms. “Outbreaks in schools are inevitable,” says Otto Helve, a pediatric infectious disease specialist at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare. “But there is good news.” So far, with some changes to schools’ daily routines, he says, the benefits of attending school seem to outweigh the risks—at least where community infection rates are low and officials are standing by to identify and isolate cases and close contacts.


          Who do you believe?

        • As I said before this is a multivariate problem.

          The American Thinker piece I linked above has the deaths due to Covid broken down by age. Youngsters are a very small fraction of the total. In fact, deaths due to Covid lag well behind deaths due to the flu.

          Once again, we have nothing to stop this virus except herd immunity. Living in a bubble and waiting for a vaccine is insane. We have already spent over $3.5T on the federal level plus more on the state level. They are talking about another $3.5T. This does not include the lost business and wages nor does it include the savings losses due to inflation resulting from the creation of all that money.

          Remember when the TEA party was created over a $0.9T stimulus package. Those were the good old day.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mr. Trump calls for schools to open. The left goes nuts and calls for closures.

          Mr. Trump has accomplished a complete change over to HOME SCHOOLING. Something the left has opposed for decades.

          • Mathius says:

            Objection: Strawman

            The left doesn’t oppose home schooling. The left opposes gutting public education.

            And “the left” still opposes gutting public education and still prefers public education. It just doesn’t want to send millions of kids (and teachers!!) into a dangerous situation in the midst of a pandemic.

            I think your assertion is disingenuous at best.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I believe the underlying issue, regarding the science, is the lack of objective comparisons by the Press and political leaders. This leads to serious questions among a population growing suspicious of Govt. overreach.

      The data cited about school kids, for example, ignores the status of those countries at the time they opened the schools. Also any protocols put in place. And then there is the “where did the data come from” question.

      There is no way in hell that there can be ZERO transmission from kids to adults. Just no way. Or that kids have ZERO chance of catching it. Especially the younger ones who do not have fully developed immune systems yet.

  35. Ray Hawkins says:

    @JAC – I’ll belabor the point because I can and should….

    In investigations we create a timeline – simple enough concept. The timeline for covid easily demonstrates that the Trump administration did not act upon intel and data – partially because they couldn’t – when you eliminate the apparatus for response you cannot respond as effectively or efficiently. That is not contested. Remember – he wanted to wear the hair shirt so he gets to wear the hair shirt. The stooge efforts from Day Zero to today underscore a vacuum of leadership – lack of communication, setting no example or the wrong one, misleading communication, speculation and ambiguity where certainty was required, lack of ownership…..the list goes on. Quibble all day if you must – but we stand alone as an ugly beacon of ineptitude, death, and incompetence in a moment where we needed strength, unity and action.

    Maybe Colonel can lead an AAR on this one when all said and done.

  36. We know that UV light kills the virus. Why not install UV lamps in the air ducts and increase the air circulation? This could be done in schools and airplanes and other confined systems. HEPA filters also capture the virus but these cause a large pressure drop necessitating larger air circulation equipment.

  37. We also know that all the leading experts said the virus would not survive surfaces over 90 degrees……..oops. Our average temperature down here during three months is 90 or better for 18 hours per day…..and then only cools to 85……, theoretically, outdoor stadiums and such should be free……but it is not. They have now found that on stainless steel surfaces at 95 degrees….this Covid can live up to 36 hours and the regular run of the mill influenza can live up to 48 hours.

    So….live with it.

  38. Ray Hawkins says:

    July 16, 2020 – Kayleigh McEnany, White House Press Secretary: “Science should not stand in the way of schools reopening”

    Or as JAC would call it……”leadership”

    • Now put the quote in context. Like the part where she says that science is on our side.

      MS. MCENANY: You know, the President has said unmistakably that he wants schools to open. And I was just in the Oval talking to him about that. And when he says open, he means open in full — kids being able to attend each and every day at their school.

      The science should not stand in the way of this. And as Dr. Scott Atlas said — I thought this was a good quote — “Of course, we can [do it]. Everyone else in the…Western world, our peer nations are doing it. We are the outlier here.”

      The science is very clear on this, that — you know, for instance, you look at the JAMA Pediatrics study of 46 pediatric hospitals in North America that said the risk of critical illness from COVID is far less for children than that of seasonal flu.

      The science is on our side here, and we encourage for localities and states to just simply follow the science, open our schools. It’s very damaging to our children: There is a lack of reporting of abuse; there’s mental depressions that are not addressed; suicidal ideations that are not addressed when students are not in school. Our schools are extremely important, they’re essential, and they must reopen.

      Jake Tapper even had to put Jim Acosta in check over it.

      • Mathius says:

        “And PS: Fuck the teachers and the horse they rode in on.”

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Another Science Based comment from you I see.

          • Mathius says:

            Just pointing out that some people think opening schools is just fine because the kids will be safe (something I don’t stipulate, by the way)… but I’m pretty that even if kids are immune, teachers aren’t.

            And I married one of them.

            And she has an immunocompromised mother.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              I agree, teachers are not immune. I don’t think kids are either. And I don’t think that kids cannot transmit the disease to others.

              But there is data our there on infection rates and spread in schools in other countries. And yes there are a couple which are contradictory.

              What is missing is the conditions under which both sets of data occurred and were collected. For example, there were ZERO infections linked to schools before we shut them down. Why? Because the disease was in the early stages of infecting the country.

              • Mathius says:

                Agreed on all counts!

                I’d just say that, you know, kids are kids… anyone who has kids knows that they’re just a breeding ground for germs.

                We’ve all been there when lice or chickenpox (or measles) hit the school. One kid would have it one day and the next it would tear through the entire student body.

                They sit close together in poorly ventilated rooms for 7+ hours a day and touch each other and cough in each other’s faces.. I mean… it’s just a perfect petri dish.

                Add to that that schools are daycares. Like it or not, they are. And parents send their kids even when they are sick because they have to. We all know that, even if 99% of parents are respectful, 1% is going to give their kid a Tylenol to knock down their fever and send their sick kid to school.

            • Just A Citizen says:


              Now lets suppose the information on schools is solid. Very low serious infections and mortality. That the data shows when considering ALL THE AFFECTS of closing vs. opening we should OPEN.

              So is the Greater Good of the children to be sacrificed for the Individual Good of your Mother-in-law or your wife’s desire to see her Mother??????

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        @JAC – speaking in absolutes again are we? “Science is on our side”……huh? If science is one their side then why would it stand in anyone’s way? A week ago Dr Birx offered that they know the Country has not been testing enough children to claim they will or will not drive up infection rates. JAC – YOU cannot have it both ways. Why would Pence say “To be very clear, we don’t want CDC guidance to be a reason why people don’t reopen their schools”……IF SCIENCE WAS ON THEIR SIDE?

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Well I guess you are one of the people that believe European science is all black magic and witchcraft or that there is some special gene in Americans which makes them physiologically different from their European and Asian cousins. C’mon, get with the program.

      Has anyone noticed that out “betters” you know, the one who want to shut everything down again and always seem all to have NOT missed a single paycheck?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Complete misquote Ray. And why I think your syndrome has affected your thinking.

      Stop repeating left wing BS.

      • Mathius says:

        While the sentence is accurate (changing “this” for “schools opening” is fair), I agree that the narrowly cropped quote misses the “spirit” of the statement. So, yes, I’ll side with you on this.

        Then again, I know I tried several times to pin people down on the misleading Romney attack ad (“if we keep talking about the economy, we’re going to lose”) and don’t seem to recall anyone calling it outright BS. I don’t remember who (though I could hazard a guess), but I distinctly remember at least one person saying the quote was fine because it’s what Obama really thought/meant. … just sayin’…

        • Just A Citizen says:

          You don’t recall when it is convenient for your mush brained arguments.

          /s/ Black Flag

  39. After all of this talk about data mining, I got in my shower this morning and a message popped up on the screen that controls the steam shower asking for permission to collect data. Wow! Now even my shower is spying on me. I wonder if it’s made in China. There is no telling what the Chinese might do with information on how frequently I take a steam bath and what temperature I like.

    • Mathius says:

      It’s one of those things… you think it’s nothing until it is…

      There’s a great story… a man barges into his local Target and starts berating the manager, screaming at him, chewing him a new one. It seems that Target had sent his teenage daughter ads and coupons for baby needs and pregnancy stuff.

      Not that the manager had any control of knowledge over what corporate was sending, but he apologized profusely and the dad went on his way.

      A few days later, he called the dad back just to follow up and make sure everything was ok, and the dad says something like “well, I’ve been meaning to call you. It seems I owe you an apology and there have been some things happening in my own home I wasn’t aware of..”

      Turns out the teenage daughter had switched to some organic soaps and bought some different products recently which the Target algorithm put it together and concluded that this girl was preggo! So it did what any sensible algorithm would do and sent her coupons to encourage her to buy more stuff she might want/need.

      All she did was buy some new soaps. HARMLESS information.

      But Target knew this girl was pregnant before her own father.


      Hold on… you might be thinking that’s just a story… nope… Here ya go


      So what does the temperature and length of your steam shower say about you…?

      • Mathius says:

        Boop Beep BOOP!!

        Jennie took a significantly longer and hotter shower than usual today.

        She is likely stressed.

        It is raining at her current location.

        Now is a good time to send her ads for vacation flights.

        Boop BEEP beep!!

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Recently had some fun with the Internet Spies. You can imagine what my pop up ads look like. So recently I deliberately viewed many sites, especially those selling gear, that are more left wing friendly. Including Antifa. Took about three days of visiting for my pop up ads to start changing in a big way.

          Now I get ads for Ranches for Sale next to the latest in Antifa garb. ROTFLMAO

          P.S. To Jennie………tear out that damn shower head immediately.

          • No…not yet…she has not found Mathius’ camera.

          • Mathius says:

            Jennie: Seconded! There is no reason your shower needs an internet connection!

            JAC: I can’t find the story (shame) but there’s a great story I saw some years back. This guy got together with his friends and made a point of including the word “spoon” in white (so it’d be invisible) in every email they sent to one friend. Gmail picked up on it and thought this guy was really interested in spoons. So, next thing you know, it’s wall-to-wall spoon advertisements for this guy. Drove him nuts, and he never could figure it out. Probably apocryphal, but a great story anyway.

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    This has happened here in N. Idaho.

    “5. Anecdotally, I’m seeing several people on Facebook say that they made an appointment to get tested, missed the appointment, and nevertheless got a notice that their test was positive. Right now, this observation is hearsay, but it’s intriguing.”

    The reports are real but the story is not. Turns out this is some kind of scam designed to get people’s personal information. The local health district put out an announcement about the scam, pointing out they don’t mail any notices unless phone calls cannot get through. Then they send “certified mail only”.

    Also in local news, we picked up about 140 new cases yesterday. And still no information give to the public to help us decide whether to be more cautious or where to avoid.

  41. Just A Citizen says:

    Some good data but I submit it also suffers from Mathius’ Simpson Paradox.

    First of all……….. the data is changing as we speak. I don’t know if the mortality rates are changing but the demographics of who is getting infected is rapidly skewing to the younger people. So one would expect the mortality in that group to climb. But whether that affects the rate or not is yet to be determined.

    Secondly, the recent uptick in spread may be to large to address with the same strategy proposed in March. But then is it really something we can’t handle? That should be the real question. Not the TOTAL NUMBERS of infected and dead.

    • Mathius says:

      I definitely agree there could be a Simpson’s Paradox in there.

      I’m a little short on time, but I did skim it.

      Without stipulating to anything, the things I’d like to add are that:
      1. Immunocompromised is only mentioned once and at the very end.
      2. “Dead” or “not dead” are not the only outcomes. There is an increasingly large volume of data suggesting the long-term effects linger in many cases after the disease itself has passed. As always, the information is evolving, so, you know, who knows… but it is entirely plausible that a serious virus of this strike causes long-term damage in its survivors. The adage “what doesn’t kill you makes you strong” is bullshit.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Hitchens, who was normally a good thinker, blew it with that one.

        Taking a general statement of human experience and discounting it over a very singular and limited example.

        I guess we should toss out “Life goes on” as well. Because if your the one dead obviously life does not go on.

        But to your broader point, there is yet to be learned on the medium to long term impacts on health. As well as the cost of shutting down and the personal tolls from isolating people.

        • Mathius says:

          I think Hitchens, who was a genius, was making a more nuanced point.

          I think you can heal stronger from some things.

          But not everything. Some things mar you for life.

          But to your broader point, there is yet to be learned on the medium to long term impacts on health.

          Yes. Just sayin’ that they “probably” exist and shouldn’t be excluded as though the outcome were binary.

          As well as the cost of shutting down and the personal tolls from isolating people.

          That’s going to be enormous when it’s all tallied up.

          The multi-trillion dollar question that no one will ever be able to answer is: will it be worse than if we’d just let it hit us full-force?

  42. Ray Hawkins says:

    Contrary to the claim that Trump org was giving US Taxpayers a break on room charges for all the Mar-a-lago trips; “50 bucks a night” – the evidence shows that……was a lie.

  43. Just A Citizen says:

    When military leaders understood American history and weren’t busy virtue signaling.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Reads like talking points for the Lost Cause. Well done JAC. smh

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Did you read Eisenhower’s response? Was he issuing talking points for the Lost Cause Ray?

        Don’t let historical facts get in the way of your bigotry Ray.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          JAC – I am pretty comfortable with historical facts – close to 40 years studying and reading of the Civil War. I’ve done the hard work – careful with your assumptions. The great General is entitled to his opinions – even if they are wrong or skewed by Freeman and his love affair of Lee. Its laughable for Ike to lionize Lee’s efforts post-war or Reconstruction. Try harder JAC. Try harder.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Bruce Catton argued that the myth or legend helped achieve national reconciliation between North and South. He concluded that “the legend of the lost cause has served the entire country very well”, and he went on to say:[34]

            The things that were done during the Civil War have not been forgotten, of course, but we now see them through a veil. We have elevated the entire conflict to the realm where it is no longer explosive. It is a part of American legend, a part of American history, a part, if you will, of American romance. It moves men mightily, to this day, but it does not move them in the direction of picking up their guns and going at it again. We have had national peace since the war ended, and we will always have it, and I think the way Lee and his soldiers conducted themselves in the hours of surrender has a great deal to do with it.

            Go ahead Ray………… rip off the band aid and start another war. Fools who pay no attention to the reality that makes up the history you read about. You spent 40 years reading about the war yet you seem to have learned little, as evidenced by your continuous reference to The Lost Cause as a “noun”. A phrase used in by a Virginia journalist but then assigned by historians to a collection of actions by people over a long period following the war.

            But of course if you had lived then you would have favored sending every Southerner to prison. Based on your arguments here I can conclude nothing less.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        I would very muck like to see you stand up and begin a movement to BAN all re-enactments of Civil War battles. After all playing “:confederate” is a surefire way to identify white supremacists, Right?

    • Good luck on changing the names. …..

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        The names should change……but pretty sure they won’t.

        • Why should they change? I see no reason…those names do not represent anything other than brilliant tacticians regardless of who they fought and the school children and protestors of today have no idea who they are and what they represented.

          General Lee is required study at the United States War College…so is Tecumseh Sherman…so are the following…..Shaka Zulu, Hannibal, Erwin Rommel, Publius Cornelius Scipio, John Hood (For which Fort Hood is named), Stonewall Jackson, Erich von Manstein, George S Patton, Alexander III of Macedon…Gengis Kahn… name a few.

          I wrote a paper on John Hood because he commanded The Texas Brigade durting the War between the States for War College. Each one of these great leaders had their causes and all were very brilliant. Rommel and Manstein were brilliant German officers and have many things named after them. Gengis Kahn was a slave trader but history dictates that we do not forget him or write him out because it is history.

          I can match you on history of the War between the States as, like you, I have studied it extensively…..and slavery, while an issue was not even the main issue. But you need to continue to study because some of the Northern States had many slaves that were not released until 1866….the largest slave owner being a black man that owned many. So claiming that the names of Forts keeps an issue alive is poppycock.

          And, in War College, General Lee and Jackson were studied because of their brilliance in the field and not because of their politics. Politics were not even mentioned in the study because that did not matter. Sherman was a tactician that actually won the war for the Northern alliance because of his ruthless tactics and destruction of non military targets. He was a shit head….BUT, he was brilliant. You do not see people wanting to tear down his statues…or the statues of Kahn or Zulu or any of the other tacticians…..they are recognized for what they were brilliant in doing. You cannot condemn Erwin Rommel or Erich Manstein for being part of the German army……the same army that executed millions. Yhou cannot rewrite history….nor erase it.

          Military Forts are named after tacticians and military genius…..not their politics.

  44. Waiting for more details…but just out on the news……. As state officials updated the Texas Department of Health and Human Services COVID-19 dashboard on Wednesday, they included a note about Bexar County’s case count. (San Anotonio)

    “The San Antonio Metro Health District has clarified its reporting to separate confirmed and probable cases, so the Bexar County and statewide totals have been updated to remove 3,484 probable cases. The local case count previously included probable cases identified by antigen testing but not those from antibody testing or other sources.”

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Can you post any f/u on this if it comes? Super curious why the removal. They need to explain.

      • If you are asking for a link……I am a computer illiterate….however,

        UPDATE 3:42 p.m.:

        The City of San Antonio said it will continue to include to combine probable coronavirus cases with confirmed coronavirus cases in its case count while separating those numbers to the state.

        The city said Thursday it views probable cases — which are positive antigen tests of people who are showing symptoms — as being the same as confirmed cases — which are done by a positive molecular test.

        “Probable cases do not mean ‘maybe’ cases of COVID-19,” said Dr. Colleen Bridger. “Antigen tests are FDA approved, and positive tests are highly accurate. San Antonio is one of only three Texas cities collecting and reporting this data per the CDC guidelines, but the State of Texas wants apples-to-apples comparisons between Texas cities.”

        The city said the antigen tests were approved for emergency use by the FDA between May 8th and July 2nd.

        • A little more: BEXAR COUNTY, Tex. (KTSA News) — The Texas Department of State Health Services said it has removed 3,484 cases from its statewide total because the San Antonio Metro Health District was including probable cases in their case totals to the state.

          The state said the San Antonio Metro Health District was not fully separating probable cases from confirmed case counts before Tuesday.

          The state amended its numbers Wednesday to reflect the removal of the probable cases and said Metro Health is now sending its probable and confirmed case counts to the state separately. DSHS said the numbers it releases are only to reflect confirmed cases in the state.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Just reported one in Florida where a guy who died in a Motorcycle crash was listed as Covid because he was positive. Makes sense I guess, no doubt he was bleeding out from all orifices. What else could it possibly be?

  45. Mathius has tried to teach me how to copy and post links, but his training did not take. I barely learned how to post a JPG on here…..but I can copy and paste.

  46. Ray Hawkins says:

    Hey G-man! For realsies…….Happy Birthday dude! I watch “Alone” with the kids on History channel and imagine one of those cats is you!

    • Thanks Ray.
      Had a great morning walleye fishing. Caught our limit by 9:30 am. All 5 to 6 pounders. Good eating 😀

  47. Ray Hawkins says:

    Trump interrupts interview to show proof that Biden plans to defund the police. It did not go well

    The hell? Trump cannot get love from Fox News any more?

    When lying liars get called out.

    Or……as JAC would say…..”Leadership”

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Still searching your mushy brain to infer what others might say. A magician you are.

      /s/ Black Flag.

  48. Ray Hawkins says:

    White House blocks CDC director from testifying before House panel on reopening schools

    The Trump administration is rebuffing House Democrats’ effort to hear testimony from Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Robert Redfield on safely reopening schools during the coronavirus pandemic.

    House Education and Labor Committee Chairman Bobby Scott (D-Va.) sent Redfield a letter last week asking him or a CDC designee to testify at a hearing on how K-12 public schools can reopen for in-person classroom instruction this fall. But on Friday, Scott said his panel had been informed that the Trump administration would not allow CDC testimony at the hearing planned for next week.

    “It is alarming that the Trump administration is preventing the CDC from appearing before the committee at a time when its expertise and guidance is so critical to the health and safety of students, parents, and educators. This lack of transparency does a great disservice to the many communities across the country facing difficult decisions about reopening schools this fall,” Scott said in a statement..

    Pretty awesome eh? So much leadership I cannot contain myself.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      I’d much rather hear from the Chancellor of education in Germany, then France, then Italy. THEY have been there and are dealing with it in REAL time. I’m sick of hatchet jobs.

  49. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    The Lord has revealed unto me the solution to “opening” Amen, Amen I say unto you….No more pension checks, no more Social Security checks, no more retirement plan checks no more 401 K checks, no more checks to Dr. Fauci and his colleagues until ALL businesses open. Let us ALL suffer equally along with the bartender, waiter, hair stylist, dishwasher, repairman…..It’s the Christian thing to do!

  50. Ray Hawkins says:

    Former game show host deactivates Twitter account after his son contracts Covid-19

    Former game show host Chuck Woolery’s son has Covid-19, a spokesperson for Woolery said Thursday.

    “Chuck’s son is fine and asymptomatic,” Mark Young, with Jekyll and Hyde Advertising, told CNN.

    Woolery made news late Sunday when President Donald Trump retweeted Woolery saying everyone is lying about Covid-19.

    “The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying,” Woolery said in that tweet.

    Number 1 – hope his son is ok. Number 2 – Can he rejoin Twitter from whatever rock he just crawled back under?


    Cloth and surgical (paper) masks not very effective. N95 masks are better but must be fitted properly.

    • Note the date, Jan 2017. Before Mueller was appointed. He knew this was a nothing burger from the start and continued to waste 2 years and $36M and throw the 2018 elections. He is as corrupt as Comey, Brennan, Obama and the others.

  52. Just A Citizen says:
    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Guess I know of a different United States. The hell is a “Afro-Indigenous non-binary local organizer” anyway? These idiots fail to realize – DJT can be the worst person on the planet – and dare I say it – a silent majority will vote for him if for even a second they associate scum like this to Biden.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Which won’t be hard given the Democratic Party’s efforts to straddle the picket fence. As I said the other day, they decided to climb in bed with the snakes. They don’t dare offend anyone right now. And that may in the end offend more than they want.

        If it were anyone but Trump I think their behavior and Biden as candidate would have cooked their goose.

  53. Ray Hawkins says:

    Lincoln Project – they make ‘entertaining copy’ if for no other reason than to punk DJT. Curious if the Dems realize that…..should they win……they’ll be the next target?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      For the record – I do believe some wall has been built and/or re-enforced.

      • I would if I were you. Considering that I know exactly where new wall has been built and old wall repaired….and where the new wall has been built has done exactly what it was supposed to do….it stopped the crossings in that particular area and channeled them to where we wanted them…..The walls were never designed to keep people out but to channel them to where we could watch better. That has been accomplished. There is another 40 miles of wall to be built in the area that I am in charge of and it has already started.

        This is new wall….with sound detectors for tunneling. which brings me to another subject. The technology has improve on sound detection to find the tunnels that cross UNDER the Rio Grande. They are not very smart. We find most of them and then set a charge right on top of the tunnel and BLAM……a hole is blown it and the water fills it up and Voila……no more tunnel. No warnings…no fanfare….just boom. Some of these tunnels are 20 feet below the surface of the water.

        We do the same thing when we find bridges built just under the surface of the water. A little trick the Viet Cong would use…….just blow them up and great training for the National Guard troops.

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