Science Gone Political

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  1. Other than Liberals misquoting people (again) that don’t fit their narrative, why is the Covid science so all over the place and why are we believing any of it?

    • Science has become politicized in the last few decades. Much of the more mundane science is driven by the funding mechanisms hence it is susceptible to fads. Since government is one of the prime funders, these fads can have political origins.

      Medical science is less deterministic than physical sciences. While it is based upon physical science (mostly chemistry) the number of variables are too great to yield cause and effect certainty in many experiments. Hence the reliance on statistics which can often lead to incorrect conclusions. A missed key variable in an experiment can significantly alter the result thus adding to the confusion.

      Then there is the profit motive. Push the new expensive drug rather than the older just as effective cheap one or maybe even a bowl of chicken soup. In the Corona scare, chloroquine is suppressed in favor or the new expensive Remdesivir and a vaccine.

      Politics beyond just the funding adds more noise. Each side uses science when it is to their advantage and ignores or denigrates when it is not. The Ds like to call themselves the party of science but deny that life begins at conception, that there are only two genders, that climate change is caused by man, etc.

      And finally, there are egos. Scientist do get a rush out of being the first to discover something new. In my career I have seen many bogus scientific claims, polywater and cold fusion to name two. One must look askance at any claim that stretches common sense.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        Or the hair on fire “Climate Change” prediction in ’76/’77 that we’re heading into an iceage. We have to take drastic action to save ourselves. John Holdren who ultimately became Ibamas Climate expert was the chief Cassandra back then. He proposed grinding up coal into powder, spread it over the ever expanding ice. Then it will absorb more solar radiation and melt the ice. While the east was in a deep freeze, it sure was, the midwest was having record flooding and California and the west was in a severe drought.

  2. U.S.—Studies have shown that wearing masks can help slow the spread of the novel coronavirus, but a new alarming study shows that wearing a mask has a downside: It greatly increases your chance of being a big sissy.

    “The results are incredible,” said sissiness researcher Winston Sullivan. “Someone could seem perfectly normal, but as soon as they put on a mask, you’re all, ‘Aww. Is the poor little guy scared of getting the flu?’ Total wussification, as it’s known in my field.”

    According to the study, when some of the participants wore masks, Sullivan felt compelled to knock them to the ground and shout names at them. “And all they did in response,” Sullivan explained, “was say, ‘Is this part of the experiment?’ What a bunch of dorks.”

    Sullivan did say that in certain situations wearing a mask could not make you a sissy, such as if it were “part of an entire ninja ensemble.” “But if you don’t know kung fu,” Sullivan said, “it definitely just makes you a big sissy.”

    Sullivan did admit the masks were somewhat effective in keeping people from “infecting each other with the ‘rona and dying and stuff,” which is worth noting if “you’re the sort of nerd who cares about that.”

  3. RIP John Lewis. Yet another one that had to be carried out feet first like McCain and Kennedy. Who is next, Ginsburg, Feinstein, Pelosi…?

  4. In all the Covid noise has anyone heard or seen any PSAs that list the symptoms and advise people to seek medical help if any appear and self quarantine? I have not. All I hear are distancing, masking, and testing plus political junk. Two early symptoms are headache and loss of smell, the latter being somewhat unique. Early detection and early treatment are critical to keeping victims from going chronic and out of the hospital.

  5. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Ran into this piece in “the American Conservative” I would really like to hear comments after a thorough reading. Two pages.

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-not-progressive-conservatism/

    • What is progressivism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States

      Note there is a distinct difference between the progressivism of the early 20th century and the current version which is much more marxist/socialist.

      If by progressivism you mean fighting government corruption, ensuring true and accurate voting with all citizen given the opportunity to vote, equal justice for all, equal opportunity for all, a color blind unhyphenated America, individual freedom, small federal constitutional government,…., then I am for progress.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        The point the Author makes very well, I think. The article bears re-reading, several times. I particularly like the vertical vs. horizontal Nationalism. That’s something I think Teddy was getting at. About the best I’ve ever seen describing where I have been these last 55 years.

        As I said to a friend yesterday who only scanned the article (It’s only two pages for God’s sake). Why do we keep letting THEM steal all the good words. Who the hell is against progress (small p)?

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          Reading the Edmund Morris trilogy on TR right now. Book one is doozy.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Have not gotten there yet, have the books but am still reading contemporary stuff.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Stephen – very interesting article and TY for sharing. Am going to read a few more times but hard to disagree with premise or some of the conclusions first pass.

      Reflecting…..am 1/2 thru the Bolton book right now. Pretty dry stuff. One area has stuck out for me – (massive paraphrasing here) – Trump’s eye poking NATO members to pay their share. I’ll take that one issue and blow it up – why wouldn’t we/you/I get behind this? Break the glass and get some accountability and ownership in place – NOW. My sense was that was in part what pulled voters to him (aside from the other option being an entitled never-was in HRC). That he has not 100% delivered can/should hurt him a little. Voters wanted someone to toss the norms, break the glass and be the disruptive force so many career politicians have lied about becoming. If Trump weren’t such a dick maybe I’d have voted for him.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        One can only do what one is allowed to do. The congress has marginally supported him and the Russia hoax has both preoccupied him and caused people who might normally have jumped on board to hesitate. If you are a moderate democrat how could you possibly ignore Adam Schiff’s “sure and certain” proof that he claimed to have held in his hands.

        I hate to say it’s not his fault (sounds like an excuse) but, it’s not his fault. Whether you agree with the wall or not, had he been supported instead of fought every inch of the way, I do think you agree it would have been finished by now.

        Immigration reform…..ditto. Just the fact that he was willing to give in to the whole “dreamers” BS but was rejected by the D party shows what he is up against.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          @Stephen – problem Dems don’t see is they still have not offered a clear vision of how/why they are the choice. “We’re not DJT” just falls flat with too many voters. Just because I don’t like Trump doesn’t get me your vote. Sad.

  6. Dale A Albrecht says:
  7. With the Liberal media and others claiming that Trump hasn’t done enough about Corona virus, what would you suggest he do or had done better?

    • The only thing I can suggest is public service announcements which list the symptoms and where and when to seek help when they arise.

      Whatever Trump would have done, would have been criticized and politicized. If he ordered a nationwide lock down, they would have called him a tyrant. Allowing individual states to control the situation was correct. ND is different than NY or CA. He did get praise from Cuomo and Newsom for cooperation but that is now gone since they no longer need the help. He did get industry involved to ramp up production and did invoke war powers when the lawyers got involved and slowed the process of petty issues. He doled out equipment and supplies as needed rather than as demanded. He provided military assistance in the form of field hospitals and ships although they went mostly unused.

      He held daily pressers but probably should have addressed the country formally as a whole once or twice to quell fears and provide hope. I also wish he had addressed the nation on the George Floyd incident at the beginning of the riots.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      G-Man – the liberal media would crucify no matter what he did or did not do. With that out of the way – I would suggest he should have been earlier, communicate more clearly/strongly/unambiguous – lead by example. Stop thinking out loud. Take a strong stance and run it to ground.

      For the record – totally baffled why anyone would assume Biden would’ve done a better job. Real easy to be the Monday morning quarterback from Delaware.

      • As too the media, I agree totally, and they did so.
        As far as what he said, I watched many of his early briefings with the team he put together. How can he do much more when there was little knowledge of anything, even by his team? He was positive, unlike the Left, got chastised for that.
        Do more Mr. Prez? Like what? He acted within his authority, provided positive words and let the so called experts deal with the virus stuff. Not much else that I can see would have done anything.

        • I think that some of the Govs are ticked off because Trump did not order universal lock downs forcing them to do it. Hence they could not blame Trump and had to take the heat themselves.

  8. A new poll cam out this morning. Hillary is up by 13 points.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Sick of these polls – DJT changed the calculus and they haven’t figure that out yet.

  9. Interesting……I thought this Peter Strock feller was supposed to be the death knell for Trump. I wonder what kind of deal has been made since he is now telling everyone that there was no evidence of any kind linking Trump to Russia. We just want him out of the White House.

  10. I’m seeing reporting that there was a “failed attempted burglary” at the home of a federal judge.

    Seems the “burglar” dressed up as a Fed Ex worker, came to the home, killed the judge’s husband and son, then vanished without taking anything.

    Oh, and the judge is (amongst other things) presiding over a case involving Epstein and Deutsche Bank which was assigned to her just four days prior.

    …..

    Oh, and the suspect was found.. turns out he killed himself.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Epstein hung himself………………………….. don’t ya know.

      • Mathius says:

        A lot of that goin’ around, dontcha know!

        Epstein…

        The guy at Deutsche Bank who approved $2 billion in loans to Trump…

        The guy who shot the family of the judge trying the case involving Epstein and Deutsche Bank…

        Epstein aide Ghislaine Maxwell…

        • Mathius…you would do better to link them to the Clintons…..your vague reference is telling…..we know you hate Trump…but despite everything, he is not responsible for Covid, nor is he responsible for global warming or climate change or whatever these people want to call it…he has been more responsive to this pandemic than Obama was to his pandemic….it is just that the media gave your KING Obama a pass on everything.

          You had better be glad of Trump’s involvement in the South China seas which Obama’s lack of effort led directly to the takeover of the Spratley Islands and the building of Sub bases….but somehow the media and the left shrug their shoulders. Now, China is laying claim to the Western most Philippine Islands ( 2 of them ) and funny how there is not mention of this. They are uninhabited but there are now 2 so called Chinese weather stations on those two islands. The UN will not take it up as they are scared of China. Trump is the only POTUS so far that has issued warnings to China and sanctions on China….Every other POTUS from Nixon to Obama (Reagan included) bowed down to China as if we needed them for our products….which we do not….and the USA has allowed China to spread its wings and simply takeover large swaths of Philippine and Vietnamese waters.

          Mark my words, Taiwan is next and China is banking on Biden winning the Presidency because they already know he lacks the “hutzpah” and they know that the left WILL NOT STAND UP TO THEIR AGGRESSION. Their hegemony makes the US look like romper room rejects…….and from our media and our snowflakes…..we just step out of the way. At least Trump moved a second carrier group into the South China Seas and is letting them know to leave Taiwan alone……Biden will hand them the keys….

          Everyone here is worried about frigging face masks and no one gives a shit about what is happening over there.

          • Mathius says:

            your vague reference is telling…..we know you hate Trump

            I don’t “hate” Trump.

            To hate him, I’d have to care a lot more about him personally.

            I think he’s a piece of shit as a human being.

            I think he’s a terrible President.

            I think he’s a sociopath who – absolutely – would have no qualms about ordering a murder.

            And, except for the “terrible President” bit, I think the exact same thing about Clinton and Obama.

            he has been more responsive to this pandemic than Obama was to his pandemic…

            Obama’s pandemic? Which one was that? Maybe the Ebola outbreak that killed, what? 4 people? The one that CIVILIAN Trump was howling to the moon about, screatching that Obama should have to hug Ebola patients and resign if even a single American died?

            Ebola was never a threat to America the way COVID is. The two diseases just aren’t comparable. Obama didn’t have to lean on the panic button for Ebola because it’s just not something that can spread in America the way it does in Africa.

            Trump got a bad bread, getting dealt COVID during his term, but he has still handled it terribly.

            your KING Obama

            I’m curious where you think that I ever considered Obama above reproach or perfect in any way shape or form.

            I crapped on him a great deal during his terms.

            If it seemed like I was too often in his corner, perhaps I was, and perhaps that had something to do that SUFA was permanently deadset against literally everything he ever did. He was attacked for everything.

            it is just that the media gave your KING Obama a pass on everything.

            Oh please.

            What fantasy land did this come from?

            Obama got smeared with literally everything. Whereas NOTHING seems to stick to the Teflon Don.

            You had better be glad of Trump’s involvement in the South China seas which Obama’s lack of effort led directly to the takeover of the Spratley Islands and the building of Sub bases….but somehow the media and the left shrug their shoulders. Now, China is laying claim to the Western most Philippine Islands ( 2 of them ) and funny how there is not mention of this. They are uninhabited but there are now 2 so called Chinese weather stations on those two islands. The UN will not take it up as they are scared of China. Trump is the only POTUS so far that has issued warnings to China and sanctions on China….Every other POTUS from Nixon to Obama (Reagan included) bowed down to China as if we needed them for our products….which we do not….and the USA has allowed China to spread its wings and simply takeover large swaths of Philippine and Vietnamese waters.

            As I have frequently said, there are areas where Trump might be the right guy at the right time.

            I have frequently argued, for instance, that our standard approach to N. Korea doesn’t work, and Trump might just be what the situation calls for.

            China might just be another example. They are a rogue regime, agressive and overtly hostile to US interests and Trump might be the guy we need for that.

            I don’t know. I’m no FP expert. You’d know better than I would.

            But as for the media not reporting it, I’ve seen a bit, but you’re right, it’s not front page stuff… maybe that has something to do with an ongoing pandemic? Maybe it’s because “asshole country annexes two unoccupied islands” might be important, but it is still a bit dry for the cable news cycle?

            Mark my words, Taiwan is next

            Agreed. And it’s sad.

            and China is banking on Biden winning the Presidency because they already know he lacks the “hutzpah” and they know that the left WILL NOT STAND UP TO THEIR AGGRESSION.

            Maybe.

            I’m hesistant to say how Biden would act on such a matter. I really don’t have a read on him with that regard. Maybe you and China know better than me.

            Either way, my vote doesn’t count, so I guess it doesn’t matter what I think?

            And, while I agree that they’re definitely eying Taiwan, I wouldn’t bet my life that they want a Biden term over a second Trump term. A second Trump term could destroy what little is left of America’s internal cohesion, crumble us from within. A weaker America is far less impediment to their long-term plans. I’m not saying “this IS true,” but it might be the case that they’re happy to wait another four years to give us time to destroy ourselves first. It’s just as plausible.

            Their hegemony makes the US look like romper room rejects…….

            Maybe. Again, you’re far better on FP than I am.

            I’ll just say that I’ve always hated this kind of pissing contest. I’m not saying it’s not “how it’s done” or that we’re not “losing,” etc… just that I don’t like it.

            At least Trump moved a second carrier group into the South China Seas and is letting them know to leave Taiwan alone……

            Curious.

            A) If they call the bluff and try to annex Taiwan, do you think Trump would use that carrier group and start WWIII?

            B) If they call the bluff and try to annex Taiwan, do you think Trump SHOULD use that carrier group and start WWIII?

            (or has WWIII already been started years ago, and we’re only just now getting to the more… enthusiastic.. bits?)

            Biden will hand them the keys….

            Can you support this?

            I get that this is your opinion, but has he ever said or done anything to specifically cause you to believe he would just roll over?

            Everyone here is worried about frigging face masks and no one gives a shit about what is happening over there.

            Shockingly, I can “worry” about more than one thing at a time.

  11. Just A Citizen says:

    In the category of Mathius’ “there are to many laws” I see the St. Louis couple who held guns on their porch during a TRESPASSING of their neighborhood by BLM have been charged with a Felony.

    I have read that it is a Class D Felony to brandish a weapon in a manner so as to intimidate another person. So now think of the blatant lack of logic here by the DA.

    Do you really think this law was written to stop someone from pointing a gun or even “brandishing” a gun in the face of Trespassers threatening damage to your property. To you personally?

    So it is not illegal to shoot them (stand your ground) but it is illegal to show them the gun to get them to stay the hell away.

    What is really sick are all the people, media and left wing web pundits, calling for the end of this couple’s careers. They will lost their law licenses if found guilty. Hell maybe just being indicted but I don’t know for sure.

    I have also heard they declared they are Democrats. Wonder if they change parties after this.

    • Mathius says:

      Seems reasonable to me that if you’re on your property and there’s a mob outside, the smartest thing you can do is deterrence. What? Are you supposed to hide your gun until someone gets stupid, then you shoot them?

      [Disclaimer: I don’t know and I don’t care what the local laws are in St. Louis regarding castle doctrine and SYG and “brandishing a weapon”… I’ll only talk in the abstract about what I see as “reasonable” here]

      The actual answer here is that this couple has built up quite a bit of history and animosity with the DA and the police department over the course of their careers. They’ve butted heads, accused each other of all manner of thing, hired private investigators, had those investigators charged with perjury… they’ve accused a number of cops of lying on the stand.. etc.

      The DA has it out for them.

      And they did something completely reasonable. (personally, I get the vibe from them that they’re a pair of cowboys who have been itching to fulfil their home-defence gun fantasies – you know the type.. the ones who are drying for an excuse to show how tough they are). But whatever their issues, they have the right to defend their home. And they have the right to ensure that people outside (on a private road, no less!) know that they shouldn’t mess with them.

      I’d argue that this is one of the strongest moves they could have possibly made to de-escalate the situation (with regards to their own property, anyway.. it doesn’t help the neighbors and may actually rile up the protestors to be worse elsewhere, but that’s a whole different topic).

      Even if they are – as I suspect – class A assholes, this is an absolute TEXTBOOK “good guy with a gun” territory. They broke out the guns, stood on their land, said don’t fuck with me, and the crowd didn’t destroy their property. And no one got hurt. Not them, not the protestors. That should be (and probably already is) an NRA commercial.

      But the DA has it out for them.

      And, as you point out, there are ooooh, so many laws…

      Fuck that.

      • Missouri Gov. Mike Parson says he is prepared to exercise his pardon powers if prosecutors bring criminal charges in the case of a St. Louis couple who brandished firearms at a group of protesters outside their home.

        Parson, a Republican, told a St. Louis radio station Friday that he thinks a pardon is “exactly what would happen” if Mark and Patricia McCloskey are hit with charges in the June 28 incident captured on video and seen by millions.

        He later added that based on what he knows about the case, “I don’t think they’re going to spend any time in jail.”

        • Mathius says:

          Missouri Gov. Mike Parson says he is prepared to exercise his pardon powers if prosecutors bring criminal charges in the case of a St. Louis couple who brandished firearms at a group of protesters outside their home.

          Unless there is something critical I’m missing / misunderstanding (eg, they were antagonizing the crowd firing rounds over their heads, etc), I’m 100% on board with this.

          Seems to me that’s a PERFECT use of a pardon, right there.

          Parson, a Republican, told a St. Louis radio station Friday that he thinks a pardon is “exactly what would happen” if Mark and Patricia McCloskey are hit with charges in the June 28 incident captured on video and seen by millions.

          My ONLY problem with this is that, in order to accept a pardon, you have to admit guilt. Legally, accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

          And I don’t think that’s right.

          I don’t think they should have to accept guilt.

          I’d prefer they fight it to death.

          But that’s expensive and time-consuming, and the outcome is uncertain (though I’d be damned if I’d convict).. I’d understand if they didn’t.. I just don’t think the bastard DA abusing his position should get the “win” and these guys should get tarnished for it.

          Then again, some people wear their arrest records on this kind of thing like badges of honor so, you know, maybe they frame the arrest warrant and hang it above the mantle.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Ford pardoned Nixon………… who never admitted to anything.

            From the start there were many comments about making it impossible for this couple to practice law anymore. I had not heard of the antagonism between them the cops and/or DA. But if true this all starts to fit. There is a RAILROAD which runs through the DA’s office.

            • Mathius says:

              Ford pardoned Nixon………… who never admitted to anything.

              In 1915, the Supreme Court wrote in Burdick v. United States that a pardon “carries an imputation of guilt; acceptance a confession of it.”

              I had not heard of the antagonism between them the cops and/or DA.

              Gardner, St. Louis’ first Black circuit attorney, has been at odds with some in the St. Louis establishment since her election in 2016. Most notably, her office charged then-Gov. Eric Greitens with felony invasion of privacy in 2018 for allegedly taking a compromising photo of a woman during an extramarital affair. The charge was eventually dropped, but Greitens resigned in June 2018.

              A private investigator Gardner hired to investigate the claims against Greitens was later indicted for perjury for allegedly lying during a deposition. His case is pending.

              Gardner also has butted heads with police leaders, especially after she developed an “exclusion list” of more than two dozen officers who were barred from serving as primary witnesses in criminal cases over what Gardner called credibility concerns. The move angered Police Chief John Hayden, who also is Black.

              In January, Gardner filed a federal lawsuit accusing the city, the police union and others of a coordinated and racist conspiracy aimed at forcing her out of office. The lawsuit also accused “entrenched interests” of intentionally impeding her efforts to change racist practices.

              Source.

              • “I’m confused, you said this about the McCloskey’s- “The actual answer here is that this couple has built up quite a bit of history and animosity with the DA and the police department over the course of their careers. They’ve butted heads, accused each other of all manner of thing, hired private investigators, had those investigators charged with perjury… they’ve accused a number of cops of lying on the stand.. etc.”

                The DA has it out for them. “. But the above is about Gardner, the circuit attorney charging them????

              • Don’t be confused V, the charges will get thrown out by the Judge because the law is about brandishing a weapon when committing an illegal act. There was nothing illegal about their actions. Also, the cops determined that the womans weapons was a fake and couldn’t shoot water and the mans gun WAS NOT LOADED.

                This is just another example of piss poor Crat politics.

              • V.,

                Maybe I got it mixed up? I don’t care enough to go re-read whatever it was that I read. I thought I saw something that the couple were lawyers who had a long history of fighting with the DA.. but maybe not.

                It wouldn’t change matters in any way – (A) you shouldn’t get in trouble for defending your home from a mob. (B) And anyone charging you with a crime for it is a jackass. (C) And if they are able to charge you with a crime for it, there are too many laws and/or those laws are poorly written.

          • I just don’t think the bastard DA abusing his position should get the “win”…

            Except HE is a SHE. And she is a democrat that ran on “criminal justice reform” (whatever that means)

            She also promised to increase diversity, bring independent investigations of police use of force, work to reduce racial disparities, and enhance gun control.

            She also released all of the 36 black rioters who had been arrested.

            Under Gardner’s tenure, St. Louis has seen a significant increase in non-prosecuted felonies. In 2019, St. Louis police sought 7,045 felony cases, but only 1,641 were prosecuted by Gardner’s office.

            Interesting that she was also funded by George Soros. ((insert scratching head emoji here))

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Gardner

            • Mathius says:

              Except HE is a SHE. And she is a democrat that ran on “criminal justice reform” (whatever that means)

              Makes no difference.

              I don’t think the bastard DA abusing his her position should get the win.

              She also promised to increase diversity, bring independent investigations of police use of force, work to reduce racial disparities, and enhance gun control.

              And maybe she did and maybe she didn’t and maybe that’s good or maybe that’s not. I have no idea and don’t care. It’s totally aside from the topic at hand.

              It’s entirely possible she’s a model DA, doing everything perfectly, and just being a dickhead here (yes, SHE is being a dickhead).

              No one is 100% evil 100% of the time. And just because THIS is wrong doesn’t mean I have to adjudicate her entire tenure in office. I won’t because I don’t care.

              • No one is 100% evil 100% of the time. Oh really, now……….wha’ say ye, Pirate…does this Mathius feller speak fer ye?

              • It’s entirely possible she’s a model DA, doing everything perfectly, and just being a dickhead here

                No. This is the picture I was trying to paint for you…she’s a POS. And she is blatantly showing her racism by releasing the 36 BLACK rioters and charging the WHITE couple with a felony for defending their own property.

                And you should care because it is happening all over the country. And it will only get worse.

              • You could be right? I have no idea.

                I don’t know her from a hole in the ground.

                I didn’t even know she was a she until you just pointed it out.

                All I do know is that there seems to be some pent-up animosity between her department and the homeowners* and that she is clearly abusing her position in persecuting them.

                And that, further, there are waaaay too many which lets her decide who is guilty and then pick the law to apply.

                —————

                *The list of all words in the English language containing the letters M-E-O-W (in that order) are “meow,” “meowed,” “meows,” “meowing,” “homeowner,” “homeowning,” “homeownership,” and “homeowners.” Make of that what you will.

      • Isn’t it funny that these things happen in States where the trespassers know they can get away with it…….try it here. I am not going to say anything else…just try it here. It would be a waste of ammunition to fire OVER the heads of anyone.

        By the way, I have read several stories on this but never has one mentioned the firing of rounds…is this a fact?

        • If it is a fact, then I would definitely feel that it was a terrible waste of ammunition. Trespassing is very serious here…..very serious and you do not go to jail for enforcing your no trespassing. We are still a cattle state….but don’t take my word for it..,.try it.

        • No rounds were ever fired during the incident.

        • Mathius says:

          By the way, I have read several stories on this but never has one mentioned the firing of rounds…is this a fact?

          As gman said, no, I don’t believe so. I’ve never heard anything to that effect.

          I mentioned it only by way of example in terms of “I think they’re completely justified.. but if – IF – it turned out that they did something like that, then we could have a different conversation.”

          That is to say, I know the general story, but don’t necessarily know the whole story… so my opinion is based only on the parts I’m aware of. If there’s a substantial missing element, I reserve the right to reverse my opinion.

    • Mathius says:

      I know this is tough for you.

      • Did you read it. It’s from the CDC and it is quite clear.

        • Sigh…….

          Fine.

          I’ll bite.

          It’s not “from” the CDC. It’s a meta-analysis posted to a journal which is posted on the CDC website. It’s on influenza, not COVID, which are not the same virus. And even if it were on COVID, which it’s not, it’s still a meta-analysis whose reference articles are from between 2008-2016, so it’s very out of date.

          The CDC, who is aware of this study and thousands of others, still recommends wearing a mask in public. I do not understand why you think you could cherrypick a single meta-analysis on a different disease and use that to make a sweeping conclusion in contravariance of professionals who have spent their lives studying this stuff. I’m sure I can find an article somewhere which says that the Earth is flat.. does that mean I’ve proven NASA wrong?

          Further, “we could not prove masks work” is not the same as “we proved masks don’t work,” but I understand that this distinction is hopelessly lost on you. In Formal Logic, this would be called Denying a Conjunct.

          Maybe you missed this bit: “Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group”?

          Maybe you missed this bit, too: “In theory, transmission should be reduced the most if both infected members and other contacts wear masks, but compliance in uninfected close contacts could be a problem (12,34).” (shocker! Compliance could be a problem? Who could have foreseen!?!?)

          Or maybe you only read this bit “Proper use of face masks is essential because improper use might increase the risk for transmission (39).” And then you ran out of focus and didn’t finish the paragraph? “Thus, education on the proper use and disposal of used face masks, including hand hygiene, is also needed.” Turns out that you need to wash your dirty hands and wear your mask properly. In other news, condoms don’t work when you put them on your foot.

          Maybe this eluded you, too: “We did not consider the use of respirators [such as N95 and P2 masks] in the community.” Got that? So… not only is this an outdated study.. of even more outdated studies… of a different disease… which concludes that people should wear masks (properly and with hand washing)…. but it doesn’t even consider N95s. And from this, you’ve concluded the flat assertion “masks don’t work.” See the problem? Of course you don’t.

          Lastly, I would point out that the up-side case is “not killing people” and the downside is “minor annoyance.” If you’re wrong, wearing a mask could potentially help save lives. If I’m wrong, wearing a mask will cause an annoyingly sweaty face and cost a buck or two. I don’t understand what is wrong with your brain if you think this is a tough choice.

          I actually had a longer point-by-point post, but then I deleted it because I know it would be wasted on you.

          You’ve already made up your mind, you’ll cherry-pick whatever you need to to support the conclusion you’ve already reached, and nothing I can say or do will change your mind.

          So I’m just not going to bother anymore.

    • No Sir. Masks will not stop a virus. Experts have known this for years.

      • Rick,

        Simple question: If I have COVID and I am about to cough in your face, would you prefer I wear a mask before doing so, or would you not care?

        • I prefer that you turn and cough in gman’s face.

          And just a FYI from back in March.

          US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams – “There are things people can do to stay safe. There are things they shouldn’t be doing and one of the things they shouldn’t be doing in the general public is going out and buying masks”

          This was before the COVID got political, though.

          • Rick,

            Cars have lots of safety features. Seat belts, crumple zones, and we have all kinds of rules about how to drive safely. If any one of these were perfect and did the whole job by itself, we would not need the others. But, obviously, they don’t. So we layer them on top of each other and the combined result is better survival. Right?

            Masks aren’t a magical cure-all. Hell, the 95 in N95 means it catches 95%. 5% of a billion virii is still 50 million virii. So we also keep our distance. And we also wash our hands. And we also contact trace and and and and and and.

            It is completely reasonable that someone might argue it’s more important to socially distance than go out in public to buy masks. Given the binary choice, the former is quite reasonably more important. So order your masks on Amazon. US Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams didn’t say “don’t wear masks.” He said it wasn’t a good idea to go out into public just to buy them. I’d be willing to bet that if you asked him if you should wear one you already had on hand, he’d have said some version of “try to stay home, but, yes, wear that mask if you have to go out.”

            Masks are just one component. But they reduce the spread. How much? Who knows? They’d do more if people wore them consistently, universally, and correctly. But, obviously, people don’t. But even if they did wear them, they don’t work 100% and there’d still be some spread.

            But we don’t need “no spread.”

            All we need is to get that basic reproduction number below 1.

            That’s it.

            If each person who is infected statistically infects <1 person, then the virus dies out.

            And, while, yes, I would also prefer to cough in Gman's face than yours, that wasn't the question. Obviously, you know, and I know, you'd prefer I'm wearing a mask when I cough in your face. (And I'd probably prefer, too, it for what little cushioning it might provide for when you hit me right afterward)

            So if you natively understand "I'd rather Mathius wear a mask when coughing in my face," then you natively understand "masks are better than no masks," then you natively understand "it's better for others if I wear a mask."

        • If you have symptoms and are stupid enough to go out, you should be shot. It’s really simple. You would be purposefully trying to spread a deadly virus, therefore, lethal force is authorized.

        • If you knowingly have Covid, you should be in self quarantine. If you are coughing, then yes you should be covering the cough in some fashion, be it a mask or something else.

          • It seems to be a rather hotly contested point, but for many diseases, there is an asymptomatic shedding period.

            This makes sense, of course.

            The consensus that seems to be emerging is that shedding is weaker during this period, which is usually 1-2 days, but can be as long as 2 weeks. Whereas you’re most contagious when actually symptomatic.

            That, of course, also makes sense.

            The problem with what you’re saying is that you want to only cover up when you KNOW (or reasonably suspect) that you’re sick. And that’s good, but incomplete. You need to cover up IN CASE you’re sick and just don’t know it yet.

            ANNNNDDDD… though masks predominately help prevent you spreading it, they also help a bit with preventing you from contracting it. So, every bit helps.

            It’s the same question I asked Rick… Mathius might have COVID and is about to cough directly in your face. Please rank your preferences amongst the following options:
            A) You wear a Mask, Mathius does not
            B) You do not wear a mask, Mathius does
            C) You and Mathius both wear masks
            D) Neither you nor Mathius wear masks
            E) I have no preference amongst any of these choices.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          I see this example used all the time.. Where the heck do you people live?

          Since Covid arrived I have been out in pubic doing business. In the months since first of March I have heard/seen only TWO people actually cough in public.

          I saw one person sneeze and that was Lil’ JAC cause of his allergies.

          • Mathius says:

            You don’t have to be coughing. Just breathing out while infected. A cough is just a “big, forceful breath out.”

            I guarantee you that more people have coughed new you than you realize.

            But that”s also completely beside the point.. the point is that masks work. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have a preference regarding someone coughing into your face.

  12. U.S.—A new CNN poll released Monday found that Joe Biden was leading in several key battleground cemeteries.

    84% of the respondents said they would be voting for the Democratic challenger, while 2% said they would support incumbent Donald Trump. 14% just moaned, “BRAAAAAINS!” and reached their rotting arms out in front of them while shambling around looking for something, presumably brains.

    “Biden has a real edge when we look at key battleground cemeteries all across the nation,” said a visibly gleeful CNN anchor. “This is excellent news! Wait — I’m not supposed to root for a side — sorry, sometimes I forget. Anyway, good for Biden and I really hope he wins.”

    “This could be the end for Trump. The walls are closing in. This is the beginning of the end. He is done for. Kaput. The woman of significant size has begun to sing.”

    Some of the poll respondents then broke into CNN’s studios and shambled around looking for brains but left emptyhanded.

  13. Mathius, I am curious on your take about state and private unfunded pension plans.

    Federal responsibility to bail them out? This should be a simple yes or no answer but somehow, I do not think I will get a simple answer.

    • A simple answer from me? Death first!

      Ok, fine..

      Federal responsibility to bail out state pensions: [tepidly] no

      Federal responsibility to bail out private pensions: helllllllll no

      And for the avoidance of doubt…

      Federal responsibility to bail out [almost anything]: Nope

      ———————–

      Exceptions can be made in the case of, say, national security, temporary liquidity assistance to be paid in full with interest, that kind of thing… but you’ve got to make a pretty good case before I’ll buy in.

      But, for example, if we imagine there are only two manufacturers of some vital drug – and one is American and the other Chinese. I can see the argument for keeping the American one afloat so as not to have that be a vulnerability to China. (doesn’t make me happy about it, though).

      ————————-

      Mathius’ philosophy on 99% of questions involving “should the federal government bail out…”

      • Well, you kept your answer short, at least. Out of curiosity, however, a recent actuarial report issued by New York City’s controller shows the city’s unfunded post-employment benefits (OPEB) liability rose by $9.3 billion to $107.8 billion during the 2019 fiscal year. Here are the reasons why….. The city’s unfunded OPEB liability exceeds that of any other local government in the country, as well as that of most states. New York City’s large pool of OPEB red ink is attributable to several causes, including its large number of participating employees and retirees, its cost of benefits per retiree, and a lack of pre-funding.

        I pick on New York City because of the amount. Now, I noticed a “tepid” no. Why not a SOLID no and it is the responsibility of the tax payers of New York to “pony” up. Just curious.

        • Mathius says:

          unfunded post-employment benefits (OPEB) liability rose by $9.3 billion to $107.8 billion during the 2019 fiscal year.

          Ouch.

          and a lack of pre-funding.

          Sounds like a bad case of poor planning?

          Now, I noticed a “tepid” no. Why not a SOLID no and it is the responsibility of the tax payers of New York to “pony” up.

          Because cities are parts of states and states are part of this country.

          My tepidity comes from the idea that I think it’s very bad for states and cities to have issues like this. And I really don’t like NY to be on the hook for Texas or vise versa, but I think as-goes on of us, so go we all.

          That said, if you can rely on Uncle Sam to bail you out, what incentive is there to pre-fund anything? Just take all the benefits when it’s good and put the costs out on Sam’s card.

          So, no.

          Just, not an enthusiastic “no.”

          ———————

          I might might might might draw a distinction between act-of-god or unforeseeable catastrophe rather than mismanagement. That is, NYC does everything “right” and still gets screwed, I can see considering bailing them out… maybe… possibly… I’ll at least entertain the argument. But if their fallback plan was “Sam will bail me out,” then tough shit. It’s just like, if you live on a flood plain and get hit by a flood, that really ought to be your own problem, but if you live in a desert and somehow get hit by a flood which your insurance refuses to cover, I can see how we might might might might might might have a conversation about your city covering your losses. I’ll probably still say no.. but at least I’ll have the conversation.

          ——————-

          • Fair enough…..I will take your answer as solid and will even agree with most of it….you and I think alike on this, although, I may not be as forgiving. That said, we are, to put it in Texican vernacular…. fixin’ to have a showdown on main street here We also have an unfunded liability mainly to teachers since we have no union issues to deal with….We are not in your league when it comes to size but since Texas has a balance budget amendment, I find it ironic that funding of pensions, somehow, has been left out of the budget.

            Back in the early 80’s….(that is 1980’s before you start being a wise ass), the defined pension plans were being sunsetted by most companies. The PBGC stepped in and told all the private companies that if we decided to terminate our defined plans, then we have to make the PBGC whole and fund the plan to the actuarial tables. We wanted to go to profit sharing but we could not unless we funded the termination of the defined plan….which we did.

            So, in the new stimulus bill, Pelosi has added funds to go directly to the cities to pay pensions. This is not a government issue and should be stripped out. I do not want to pay you Yankees as I am sure you do not want to pay us Rebels.

            • Mathius says:

              Back in the early 80’s….(that is 1980’s before you start being a wise ass)

              Damn you.. that’s exactly where I was going to go as soon as I saw that!

              So, in the new stimulus bill, Pelosi has added funds to go directly to the cities to pay pensions.

              Pelosi did something sketchy??

              So, in the new stimulus bill, Pelosi has added funds to go directly to the cities to pay pensions.

              I’d have a lot more truck with this kind of bailout if they’d just cut checks to each citizen… even scaling it so only poor people got it… even if they explicitly excluded me… I just don’t like how much of the money has somehow evaporated into these kinds of things.

              I’m not saying I’d necessarily agree if they just gave everyone making X dollars a check every month, but I’d be a lot more accepting of it than I am of it winding up fixing muni budges and certain other examples of absolute flaming bullshit.

              I do not want to pay you Yankees as I am sure you do not want to pay us Rebels.

              Well, “we Yankees,” just like Texas aren’t the mooches. Sure, NYC gets some portion of federal funds, it also pays an enormous amount into the pot. We all know which states are the mooches. Maybe you should have a serious talk with some of your neighbors..?

              Here… I went ahead and colored this in for you..

              • I’ve debunked this before. The blue states are mostly the headquarters of major corporations and industry and the red states are mostly agricultural, they naturally pay taxes at different levels. The red states citizens have lower earnings and population hence pay a smaller percentage of the total income taxes and other taxes collect. On the return side, the red states actually collect less money per capita than do the blue states. The red states since they are land rich are also the location for many large military installations.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            The day the “Daily News” turned from moderate Republican to democrat. Of course Ford never said that. I was employed by NYC at the time and we were preparing for layoffs. Somehow that little tiff with the White House got the number crunchers in the City serious and lo and behold, things were resolved. So, both the wife and I, essentially short timers in NYC employment got to stay. The REAL problem was going from 500,000 welfare recipients in 1965 to 1,500,000 in the five year period leading up to 1970. Honest sociologists would point out that resources were stretched to the absolute limit (really beyond) and that these were not native New Yorkers applying but the replacements for those who ran like hell in that period.

  14. Sending Federal police to problem areas due to violent riots, like Portland and Chicago.

    Dear Mr. President,

    Protect Federal property, help when asked and let the cities burn if you are not asked. But if you must act, go full blast and smash them. Put them in jail and keep them there until trial. OR, let them destroy their cities and put the blame where it belongs, weak Democrat leadership. We are used to weak Crat leadership, been on display since 08.

    • Arrest the mayors who are guilty of dereliction of duty also. They are guilty of abetting the crimes.

      • Yes and add some governors, police chiefs and council members to the list. The lawsuits coming their way will take decades to get through.

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    • I approved 4. I had a problem last week and I fixed it by logging out of wordpress and then logging back in.

  17. Now, I have a question for citizen Mathius……and a question for President Mathius.

    If China makes a move to Taiwan and closes the South China Sea shipping lanes (which they have a plan for) …..is that enough for you to start unleash hell? Send the China fleet to the bottom of the ocean while we still can……make glass factories out of the reconstituted islands that are submarine bases….for their 2 non nuke subs.

    Do you make a coalition and failing a coalition, do it yourself ?

    • Mathius says:

      CITIZEN and PRESIDENT Mathius both consider China a significant and growing threat. We both consider it an overtly hostile government both to our regional interests and in general. We agree that, like Russia, it is guilty of massive human rights abuses. We are deeply concerned about what appears to be a genocide actively going on over amongst the Uyghurs.

      PRESIDENT Mathius calls his trusted colonel into his office, promotes him on the spot to Brigadier General, and then asks him for options to put the Chinese government out of my misery. I am of the opinion that we can curb stomp the Chinese military, but what are the margins on that? How much damage are we going to take? What can we do to mitigate that? Are there any viable non-military options?

      PRESIDENT MATHIUS also wants a full write-up of all the places we’re exposed (eg manufacturing) so that he can work to fix this ASAP. I don’t like the idea of going to war with a country which controls entire swaths of vital industries we rely on. “Oops.. no insulin for you now” isn’t a great way to start off a war.

      PRESIDENT MATHIUS wants, desperately, as big a sincere coalition as possible, but recognizes that the world is chickenshit and expects nothing from them. He understands that they’ll all get dragged in on our side eventually because everyone hates and fears China. They may not “like” us, but we aren’t China, and if they’re forced to pick, I can be pretty sure which side they’ll choose.

      PRESIDENT MATHIUS is also keeping a jaundiced eye on Russia who might be thinking about how they can take advantage of the post WWIII environment. I think a stray bullet should find its way to Putin’s face.

      Day one, PRESIDENT MATHIUS want a major presence in and around Taiwan. He want to put an end to China’s bullshit fake-islands, and encourages the new-General to get creative.

      CIVILIAN Mathius recommends a ban on Chinese imports to start. Let it phase in over the course of a year or two, but at the end of that time, no American will be allowed to buy a single thing produced in China (and shut down any kind of shady intermediaries). Starting on day 1, all online (*cough* Amazon *cough*) retailers must disclose origination details and a toggle/filter option to remove China. At the end of two years, if any single component was even touched by a Chinese citizen or a penny of profit makes it way to China, the product is banned. If you knowingly circumvent this law, you go to prison for 25 years. Pressure the rest of the world into joining. They’ll be more willing once supply chains shift in response to our economic pressure. If that fails, the shooting can start.

      PRESIDENT Mathius overheard what CIVILIAN Mathius just said and would like to add this to his answer.

      —————

      Put another way: We’re gonna “have it out.” They’re just too big of assholes not to. So, I just want to make sure we do it on the most favorable terms possible without access to a time machine.

      And if we can put down the Chinese government without killing a billion Chinese subsistence farmers, that would be nice.

      • Hmmmmmm….a brigadier, eh? Good start….it will not take me long to earn 6 stars….( yes, I know there are only five, but, what the hell, I want to be different). I even have them designed….5 stars in a circle with the 6th in the middle.

        Pretty good answer….tho. Can we start by defaulting on their loans?

        • Amendment 14.4.1.1
          The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

          Soooooooo… yes… as soon as we ram through an Amendment.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            Not a very good POTUS I fear. Amendment 14 does not require the US to actually pay any debt or prevent Congress from deciding to tell China to pound sand. What it does is prohibit any Court or other legal entity to claim these debts do not exist.

            NO Congress is bound to act when it comes to paying out money. At least until the Democrats and a few Republicans tried to create mandatory payouts that extended into the future.

            • Mathius says:

              I’ll defer to an actual Constitutional schollar. I am happy to tell China to pound sand in any way I can.

              And if I can blow a hole in their reserves while lopping a trillion dollars (sadly, a drop in the bucket) off the national debt, I’m more than happy to do so.

              … I do worry about (A) what that might do to our future ability to borrow money and (B) assholes in congress (but I repeat myself) getting the clever idea that they can default on debt in less extreme circumstances.

              To (B), you know how this goes. A tool is created in extremis. Then it gets used in progressively less extreme situations until it’s just the (blech) “new normal.” I have to assume that we default on China because, well, China. Then they want to default on some bank as part of sanctions. Then they want to do it as part of a trade war. Then they’re just making up excuses in order to cut down the debt. And, in all this, aside any questions of ethics (as if they even know the meaning of the word) is the problem that people lend to us because we’re “safe.” If we’re not safe, they don’t lend to us. And if they don’t lend to us, we’re fucked.

  18. On the public pension bailouts: Follow the pottery shop rule, if you broke it buy it.

    The government entities agreed to the rules that the unions demanded. Both parties to these agreements are responsible for the runaway pension problems. I have known about his problem for 40 years, so this is nothing new. The unions should have known their demands were unreasonable and likely would not be funded. The politicians who caved and granted them are also just as guilty. I have no sympathy for agencies. The Feds should not bail them out. This is no different than the bail outs of the banks and auto companies in 2008/9. Without any moral consequences they will not learn.

    Frankly I am against public employee unions. They have gained to much power as is evident in CA. The teachers, SEIU and prison guard unions run the state.

  19. Random person: “Wear your damn mask”
    Me: The viral particles are much smaller than the pores of the mask, so the mask is ineffective at filtering them. Right?
    R: No, they travel on droplets and the masks keep the droplets out. Or they keep them in if you’re sick.
    M: So wait, how is the virus transmitted?
    R: Through droplets. Wear the mask.
    M: Droplets?
    R: Yes, like droplets spewed through a cough or sneeze.
    M: So through people who are showing symptoms?
    R: Yes
    M: So why do healthy people need to wear masks?
    R: Because of asymptomatic spread. Listen to the experts.
    M: I am listening to the experts. Many studies show, and even the WHO announced, that asymptomatic transmission is exceedingly rare. Did you read that?
    R: WHO walked that back to clarify that its presymptomatic spread that’s concerning.
    M: Presymptomatic?
    R: Yes, like they are infected but showing no symptoms.
    M: Symptoms like coughing or sneezing?
    R: Yes.
    M: So how is the virus spread again?
    R: Just wear the mask.
    M: Are you going to answer the question?
    R: It’s like pants.
    M: Pants?
    R: If a person pees in public without pants on, you have a greater chance of getting pee on you. Your risk is reduced further if you are wearing pants too.
    M: First of all, people don’t pee in public. Second, if they did pee in public, the only way someone’s stream of urine would hit me is if they were directly aiming for me and standing close enough to hit me. And third, I don’t care if you wear pants. How does this relate?
    R: If someone coughs on you in public you’ll care.
    M: People don’t just cough on each other. The last time someone coughed directly in my face was when I had toddlers and they didn’t understand common courtesy and germ transmission. The only way someone would cough directly on me in public is if they were aiming. Anyway pants don’t keep the pee in, it’s still going to get everywhere. Pants just change the direction of the flow. Same with masks.
    R: Common courtesy?! You don’t have common courtesy if you’re refusing to do something as simple as wearing a mask!
    M: How is it courteous to ask me to do something I disagree with (based on research) especially when I’m not sick or showing any symptoms when the virus is spread through the droplets of people who are showing symptoms?
    R: You’ll think differently if you get sick.
    M: If I get sick, I’ll stay home. But if I must go out I will be happy to not cough on people. But just to clarify, would you stand near me in public if I were wearing a mask and coughing?
    R: No, I mean, if you get sick, you could die.
    M: The virus has a 99.9 something percent survival rate.
    R: It’s not about you, it’s about protecting the vulnerable.
    M: If I am not sick or showing symptoms how am I further protecting the vulnerable by wearing a mask? Studies also show these masks put the wearer at increased risk of illness.
    R: You can’t listen to those studies, you need to listen to professionals in the fields of medicine and science.
    M: These studies ARE from professionals in the fields of medicine and science.
    R: They are obviously flawed.
    M: How so?
    R: It wouldn’t be a mandate if it weren’t important.
    M: Why is it a mandate now that the death rate has plummeted when it wasn’t a mandate during the peak?
    R: Because of new studies on masks.
    M: So masks have never been studied before, in the entire history of medicine?
    R: It’s a new virus.
    M: A new virus that is transmitted in the same way as other viruses. How is it transmitted again? Through droplets of people showing symptoms? So, if I’m not sick or showing symptoms and I have no fever and I’m not coughing, how would my wearing a mask further prevent transmission?
    R: Stop being an asshole and wear the mask.
    M: So, you’re asking that I stop thinking critically, accept a fascist mandate, join the herd, and walk blindly into a dangerous abyss of ever increasing control over my self sovereignty, all while signaling my virtue?
    R: I’ll report you if you don’t.
    M: What country am I in again?
    Thank you to Misty Fritz Tippens for writing this!!

    • Nice. But you KNOW they have to get the last word.

    • U.S.—A new study found that the primary reason people are wearing masks in public now is not to stop COVID-19 but rather to avoid the sea of judgmental stares.

      92% of Americans surveyed said they’re wearing the masks not to stop the spread of the virus but just so they aren’t publicly shamed.

      “Honestly, I couldn’t care less about the ‘rona, but I just want to get in and out and pick up a few groceries without getting glared at like I’m a serial killer who personally murdered hundreds of thousands of Americans,” said Bob Cristoff as he went into a Safeway. “I just need some eggs, please don’t beat me to death.”

      The science is unsure on how effective masks are at stopping the coronavirus, but the science all agrees that they do stop people from screaming at you that you want grandma to die.

      “Yeah, they might stop some transmission,” said one medical expert, “but the important thing is that you conform and not make things awkward as everybody glares at you for just walking around and doing your thing like you’re a normal person. That is one thing we must stop with as many judgmental looks as possible.”

    • Excellent!

  20. As expected, the left is apoplectic about Trump using marshals and customs and border patrol officers in Portland. I heard today on the news them referred to as troops. This was not a quote but the language used by the reporter. More lies by the fake news media. Troops would be NG or regular military not law enforcement officers.

  21. Mathius…you really have to get a grip on the Blue Team……………they now want to change the name of the shark called…..The Great White Shark? It signifies “white domination” in the Ocean? Could it be that the great White Shark is the biggest baddest mother in the ocean? Nobody messes with this one….nobody.

    I’m damn sure not going to try to call it “Carcharodon carcharias”……

  22. On the lighter side, the comedian Dick Van Dyke ……is perplexed and trying to conform to the snowflake movement…and is changing his name to Penis Truck Lesbian……………..jus’ sayin’.

    • Mathius says:

      That man is a national treasure! To this day, I still get a chuckle every time I see an ottoman.. I do that little side-shuffle thing (hearing the tune in my head, of course) and everyone looks at me like I’ve lost my mind.

      Then again, I think I married Laura Petri, so, you know, I did ok for myself.

      • How could you have married Laura Petrie……..I did and she is still here….I also married Genie and Samantha.

        One of the sexiest scenes with Laura Petrie was riding a wave of walnuts out of the closet.

        • That scene killed me.

          You can keep Genie. I have no interest whatsoever. But I will say this: I know you’re lying. Because if a man married Laura and Samantha, and those two found out about each other, you would not be alive much longer. (Still better than what would happen to you if Endora found out first.. shudder)

          We call my in-laws’ neighbor Mrs. Kravitz

          • That is a great picture, is it not?

            Because if a man married Laura and Samantha, and those two found out about each other, you would not be alive much longer. Hold on, this is the new PROGRESSIVE ERA is it not? We can have both in the same house.

            (Still better than what would happen to you if Endora found out first.. shudder)
            Yes, Endora is not to be trifled with….but with Samantha comes Serena…..now THAT is a chic to have bodacious fun with, no?
            ———————

            Take it easy, ladies of SUFA, you know that Mathius and I would never leave you.

            • Take it easy, ladies of SUFA, you know that Mathius and I would never leave you.

              Speak for yourself.

              I would leave the lot of ’em in a heartbeat for Samatha.

          • No Thumbs, either….

  23. Gotta admire the black woman standing up and facing the BLM crowd……she will pour paint over every BLM street art she sees. She says…the same right that lets them paint in the streets gives me the same right to cover them over.

    • Mathius says:

      She says…the same right that lets them paint in the streets gives me the same right to cover them over.

      She might have the right, but she’s still an asshole.

      … That said, I’d be willing to bet that neither has the right … I’m pretty sure that’s graffiti and both sides are committing a crime. I somehow doubt BLM got permits for street art.

  24. Mathius says:

    I’m seeing a lot on supposed “secret police” operating in Portland. Before I get into this too far, does anyone have anything they’d like to share on the topic?

    • Liberal media BS

    • First, I do not believe that there is any secret police…..HOWEVER,,,,,,prove it to me and I will change my mind…………………

      Oh………….wait……………

      They are secret. So, they do not exist as they never were.
      ———————–
      Seriously though….This is an election year…..the media hypes secret police and brown shirts and such. I do not think that there is a goon squad out there. Not yet, anyway.

      • Have you seen videos of federal police arresting people in Portland and throwing them in the backs of unmarked minivans?

        DHS is saying they’re Customs and Borders agents, which seems… odd.

        And the mayor and at least one senator have been quite clear that they don’t want them there.

        • The Federal police are properly marked. The vans are rentals. Jeez, is there any truth coming from the Liberal media?

          • If they are marked, I have not see it but I have not studied the pics.

            Using rental vans is not unusual either. The National Guard uses them all the time.

            • Why is CBP wandering around Portland arresting protesters without the permission of the mayor (or governor?)?

              I keep hearing some flimsy excuse that there might have been a threat to some federal property. But that’s just horse shit.

              I’m trying to imagine people here’s reaction if Obama had sent people into Texas without the state/city’s permission and just started arresting Texans because they might have threatened some federal property? I remember when they had to cancel a joint exercise because people were so freaked out about Obama’s secret tunnels under Walmart as a prelude to martial law… anyone remember that? Now there’s no issue?

              • Let’s apply a wee bit of common sense into this. Rioters engage in illegal damage to a Federal building. They are sent packing but are identifiable. Fed cops go get them, which is totally legal.

                Gee, that was hard. BWAHAHA

              • Just want to try to get you on record here… definitely no way this might come back to bite you on the hindquarters….

                “I, Gman, think that the federal government can operate a federal policing force in a city/state in open defiance of the governments of that city/state provided [please complete this portion yourself – I don’t want to put words in your mouth].”

                ::innocent whistling::

              • Here Mathius, start here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/40/1315

                (a)In General.—
                To the extent provided for by transfers made pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, the Secretary of Homeland Security (in this section referred to as the “Secretary”) shall protect the buildings, grounds, and property that are owned, occupied, or secured by the Federal Government (including any agency, instrumentality, or wholly owned or mixed-ownership corporation thereof) and the persons on the property.
                (b)Officers and Agents.—
                (1)Designation.—
                The Secretary may designate employees of the Department of Homeland Security, including employees transferred to the Department from the Office of the Federal Protective Service of the General Services Administration pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2002, as officers and agents for duty in connection with the protection of property owned or occupied by the Federal Government and persons on the property, including duty in areas outside the property to the extent necessary to protect the property and persons on the property.
                (2)Powers.—While engaged in the performance of official duties, an officer or agent designated under this subsection may—
                (A)enforce Federal laws and regulations for the protection of persons and property;
                (B)carry firearms;
                (C)make arrests without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in the presence of the officer or agent or for any felony cognizable under the laws of the United States if the officer or agent has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony;
                (D)serve warrants and subpoenas issued under the authority of the United States;
                (E)conduct investigations, on and off the property in question, of offenses that may have been committed against property owned or occupied by the Federal Government or persons on the property; and
                (F)carry out such other activities for the promotion of homeland security as the Secretary may prescribe.

              • Well, sir, I have done some extensive digging. The news reports of these people just riding around and arresting people at will are bogus reports. That said, the Federal Uniforms are marked with everything except a name tag. The reason the pictures do not show it is because black uniforms with black insignia make it hard to see.

                The protocol is that the Feds ARE INDEED identifying themselves and they are protecting government property.

                The Feds do not need the city permission to protect government property.

                The picture of the Navy guy you saw certainly does not go far enough. Why was he at a Federal site and why did he not remove himself when asked.

                As to using rental vans…..common practice with most government agencies.

                Waiting to talk to a good friend of mine that actually runs operations like this…..I will see what he has to say.

              • Mathius says:

                The reason the pictures do not show it is because black uniforms with black insignia make it hard to see.

                DHS has confirmed that there are no name tags due to recent “doxing” activity. That is, people have allegedly “outed” officers and released their names/information online.

                I fail to understand why they can’t use unique ID’s or serial numbers of pseudonyms or anything that lends accountability to their individual actions, however.

                The protocol is that the Feds ARE INDEED identifying themselves and they are protecting government property.

                I’ve seen at least one video where they did. And one where they did not (in fact, they refused to say a word while a bystander repeatedly asked them who they were, what charges, etc, and then they shoved him into an unmarked minivan and drove off.

                Sooooo… you know.. maybe a little of both? Maybe one or the other is fake? Who the hell knows anymore?

                All I’ll say is that there’s something…. worrisome…. about black-clad masked “police” officers who are not police officers who refusing to say a word while they hop out of an unmarked car, grab a guy off the street who was not currently doing anything wrong, refuse to say who they are or why they’re taking him, and throw him in the back of the car then drive off.

                Maybe it’s just optics. But I don’t like it.

                And I know you well enough to know that you don’t either.

                Link

                I mean..watch that video and tell me it FEELS like the America that you and I know and love.

                The thing that really kicked me in the gut from that video was that the woman who was recording, no doubt a hippy-dippy type, starts shouting to the guy to get his name. It’s reminiscent of the way HK protesters shout their name and intention not to commit suicide so the Chinese government will be less likely to murder them and call it a suicide or make them simply disappear. I mean, of course, that’s not what’s happening here… they weren’t going to murder the guy. But the fact that we’re even REMOTELY in this territory… no sir, I don’t like it one bit.

                The Feds do not need the city permission to protect government property.

                Protect? Maybe not.

                But they aren’t protecting – at least not in all the videos I’ve seen – they’re arresting people after the fact. Does that change anything?

                The picture of the Navy guy you saw certainly does not go far enough. Why was he at a Federal site and why did he not remove himself when asked.

                I think that’s a different topic, but I’ll agree he should have left when he was (almost certainly) told to.

                That doesn’t change the fact that he was clearly non-threatening and they just started beating him for non-compliance. I don’t care if that’s legal or not. It’s unamerican.

                Police aren’t allowed to beat non-violent people for failure to obey. Not in MY America.

                As to using rental vans…..common practice with most government agencies.

                Sure….. but we have to add it to allegations that the feds were refusing to identify themselves.. plus we have federal troops previously in DC who refused to identify themselves.. and now I’m starting to get a bit of a bad taste in my mouth… I’m not saying it IS Secret Police territory… it’s just…. disconcertingly similar to how I’d imagine the idea of a Secret Police behaving in its early days.

                Waiting to talk to a good friend of mine that actually runs operations like this…..I will see what he has to say.

                Keep us posted.

        • Have you seen videos of federal police arresting people in Portland and throwing them in the backs of unmarked minivans? Yep…I have. I have seen no markings indicating they are Federal, however. But, yes, I have seen them.

          DHS is saying they’re Customs and Borders agents, which seems… odd. Not odd at all. Customs and Border agents know how to handle these miscreants….and it is not the Army. Even then, there is something that does not smell right about this. There is no reason to be secretive….it is a positive and would be viewed as positive….something…..is….not….right. ( I have to ponder this one ).

          And the mayor and at least one senator have been quite clear that they don’t want them there. yes, they will publicly state this. But privately??????

          • Even then, there is something that does not smell right about this. There is no reason to be secretive….it is a positive and would be viewed as positive….something…..is….not….right. ( I have to ponder this one ).

  25. Ok, aside from everything else in this video.. look at how that guy took the hits. What a beast!

    • Lot of words come to mind to describe this guy, Jerkwad, comes first. Okay that wasn’t the first word but it means the same thing. Wonder what all his, self-righteous, criminal buddies are doing while he distracts the officers.

      • Interesting. He says he put on his Navy apparel because he wanted to talk to the cops and thought that by presenting himself as an ex-military guy, he could address what he thought were concerns related to their actions without being mistaken as a protester / rioter.

        I don’t see him doing anything violent or aggressive in the fuller clip (until afterward when he flips them off while walking away). I get where you’re coming from that he should have disbursed as – I’m sure – they told him to, but I can’t get behind beating him like this when he’s clearly a non-threat. If you must, arrest him. But this is not how police should behave toward non-violent non-threatening civilians.

        He’s 50-something and they broke his hand.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          That sounds like such horseshit. Now regarding the use of a baton, whacking away with it is not particularly effective. Using it to POKE is! Now, a light poke is very effective but extreme caution must be used.

          If you wail on someone with a baton, think Rodney King, the optics are awful and not as effective as one might think yet a single poke to the solar plexus, a light poke is disabling and too fast to notice.

          Remembering the hand to hand combat instructor.”There are 5,000 ways to kill someone with your hands but you only have to know three…..really well!”

          Click to access bat_stuman.pdf

    • The only thing that made this monster move was the pepper spray.

      • Do they teach that in Annapolis?

        • Don’t know about Annapolis (But it is navy and, well, we KNOW about the Navy), but they teach it in the army. Many times, I have been sprayed and inhaled CS gas and pepper spray. Nasty stuff.

          In basic training, they fill a hut with CS gas and make you do 50 pushups in it. You may have a hard time doing pushups normally, but in a hut filled with CS…it is amazing how fast you can get to 50 pushups.

          • Ya know, there is a basic difference between the Navy/Marines and the Army…In the above scenario, the Navy guy stands there and takes a beating….Marines storm beaches and die by the hundreds…..had that been an Army guy…..he would have backed off and called in artillery, followed by an Airstrike, followed by a detachment of Rangers. THAT is the army way. We have no pretense about macho…..we kill.

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Jeez, it got tougher….I only had to recite my name, rank,. service number, date of birth and Rifle serial number. US Rifle, Mod. M-14, cal 7.62 MM NATO, 124,981. The ARMY has such a way of teaching you that you NEVER forget.

            • This is true……lol.

            • Remember, Stephen, I was Special Forces….we had to do all sorts of stupid things that we would never face for real just to don the Beret…..

              and what was worse, after we did the 50, as we walked out, we were slammed rather hard with a telescoping baton right in the solar plexus that made us exhale and breathe deeply. Then we went outside and fell to our hands and knees retching everything we had for breakfast, hit with a high spray jet of water from a fire hose,,,,and had to run 2 miles. THAT got the morning started.

              • And, in all my combat experience, I never saw a baton, never got hit with water from a fire hose, and never encountered CS gas or Pepper spray. The closest we came was in Desert Storm when our chemical alarms went off ( from the gas that everyone said Iraq did not have) as we attacked the Iraqis…but once we punched through the front lines…there was nothing.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      So, we have seen the cop video now the BLM video.

      • Looks like white trash to me.

        • Looks like white trash to me.

          Naw…

          There’s some black and brown in there, too… just generic “human trash.”

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Watched some interesting video. There was the SIXTH annual back the blue event in Denver on Sunday. The organizers were attacked by a huge BLM/Antifa (self identified) mob and the rally broken up. Weapons were used. Having difficulty any of the video I watched on Google. Am I surprised….not really. There is stuff there but nowhere as intense as what was shown on TV.

          The networks are starting to act like the CCP. The old NYT joke, “All the news that FITS we print” seems to have come to pass.

      • A) Looks like a bunch of assholes? A gaggle of assholes? A bag of assholes? A parade of assholes? What is the correct collective noun here?

        B) Flag burning is legal and protected under the First Amendment.
        B.1) That doesn’t make the fire, itself, legal, however.
        B.2) That doesn’t make them any less of assholes for burning it.

        C) What does this have to do with “Trump’s secret police”? What your comment / video basically are is “whataboutism.” It’s changing the subject. I completely agree and stipulate that there are lots of people who need to be arrested and charged with crimes. No one is arguing this. And I completely stipulate that many of these people are assholes. But, as the saying goes, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Implicit in this is is the idea that “I can’t defend ‘my side’, so I’m just going to deflect and hope nobody notices.”
        C.1) To be clear: The protestors/rioters can be completely in the wrong, but that doesn’t have any bearing on whether it’s appropriate or even legal for Trump to have DHS / CBP troops operating in a city without permission from that city/state’s governments.

        • What is the correct collective noun here?

          Google never disappoints… top hit:

          An excrement of assholes. A shart of assholes.

          Glad we settled that.

          Honorable mention to: “A congress of assholes.”

        • I’m past mad. It makes me sad. Don’t elected officials swear an oath to protect and to serve? The only ones being protected are the criminals.

          • I hate to be the one to disillusion you, ma’am, but elected officials don’t have souls, so their oaths are meaningless.

            They are interested in protecting their own interests and nothing else. The best any of us can ever hope for is that our interests align long enough to get some good out of the bastards.

  26. All it took for a popular Michigan high school teacher and coach to get fired was a simple social media post reading, “I’m done being silent. Donald Trump is our president. Don’t @ me.”

    Justin Kucera, a social studies teacher and varsity baseball coach at Walled Lake Western High School, posted the tweet on July 6th and was given the option to “resign or be fired” only four days later.

    “I was required to meet with [human resources], the superintendent, and my principal [on July 10]. They initially took my statement on why I tweeted those tweets and they told me they would have a decision about my future employment in the upcoming days. When they completed the meeting, I was told I had the option to either be fired or resign,” Kucera told The Washington Free Beacon.

    Lawsuit time.

    • All it took for a popular Michigan high school teacher and coach to get fired was a simple social media post reading, “I’m done being silent. Donald Trump is our president. Don’t @ me.”

      Going to go out on a limb here and call bullshit.

      That might have been the straw that broke the camel’s back. But you don’t get fired for that.

      The fun thing in cases like this is that the guy making the accusation is free to say whatever he wants and make any allegeation s he wants, but that the school is unable to respond due to privacy laws and pending litigation, etc.

      [5 seconds of Googling]

      Here we go… “The Oakland County school district denied Kucera’s story, saying “no disciplinary action was taken as a result of any support of President Trump.” But the district declined more specific comment, citing confidentiality surrounding personnel matters. ”

      ——-

      [5 more seconds of Googling]

      “Liberals suck man.” – that same teacher on a [now deleted] tweet

      Interesting that, even if these two are the WHOLE story (they’re not), your take away is that he was fired for saying support the President and not for posting disparaging tweets about liberals.

      ——-

      Mathius would be very interested in learning more about the 1A implications of something like this…

      • Mathius would be very interested in learning more about the 1A implications of something like this…

        Yes, me too. The fact that he was even questioned is a violation of his civil rights (my opinion).
        It’s a government run school and they are required to uphold the Rights of their employees, unlike a private business. (My opinion)

        • Mathius says:

          It’s a government run school and they are required to uphold the Rights of their employees, unlike a private business. (My opinion)

          I would….think…. so.

          But I really don’t know the rules here…

          Can you be fired from, say, the justice department if you post something like this?

          • I would think that there would be rules or protocols as to what you could and could not post. The military is very emphatic on this as it pertains to social medias and platforms. We issue very explicit guide lines on what you can and cannot post.

            • Mathius says:

              My firm is a bit vaguer.. .along the lines go “we’re not going to tell you what to do… but if you do the wrong thing and it makes us look bad, you’re out on your ass. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.”

              It’s been the same everywhere I’ve worked over the last ~decade.

      • Here we go… “The Oakland County school district denied Kucera’s story, saying “no disciplinary action was taken as a result of any support of President Trump.” But the district declined more specific comment, citing confidentiality surrounding personnel matters. ”

        Come on, sir Mathius. You know better than this being a manager. What is the best way to get your point across without opening a door to discrimination or harassment. You are a manager in charge of people. You have a “person” that just does not fit in and maybe even violates a few rules….you decide to get rid of him for whatever legal reason. What is your company’s policy for references if another prospective employer calls to verify past employment. If you are like most, I believe your HR will say that he did work there from x to z. in the job of picking up peanut shells. When asked the reason for his leaving, you say either, violation of company policy or resignation. No one is required to give the reason for termination. We sure did not. But the question a prospective employer would ask….is he eligible for rehire……………..is a great leading question. To which you can simply answer….no, he is not eligible for rehire.

        This is the same things as saying……confidentiality surrounding personal matters.

        • Mathius says:

          When asked the reason for his leaving, you say either, violation of company policy or resignation.

          We say “HELLL NO. WE HAVE NO COMMENTS WHATSOEVER!”

          But the question a prospective employer would ask….is he eligible for rehire……………..is a great leading question. To which you can simply answer….no, he is not eligible for rehire.

          We would say “HELLL NO. WE HAVE NO COMMENTS WHATSOEVER!”

          This is the same things as saying……confidentiality surrounding personal matters.

          I mean… yea… the school’s at risk of getting sued… the lawyers are undoubtedly involved. No sense in overtly breaching his confidentiality and getting themselves more legal exposure.

          ————-

          All I’m saying is that we don’t know. All we have is HIS allegation that he got fired for X and proof that he also did Y. The school denied X. Who the hell knows?

          I don’t.

          Do you?

          But what’s telling is that that Gman (and others) reached the conclusion in this that he was fired for supporting the President.

          That may well be.

          And if it is, heads should roll.

          But we just can’t possibly support this.

          At a bare minimum, I’d have to suggest that “liberals suck” is a much more inflammatory reason to fire someone, wouldn’t you?

          • At a bare minimum, I’d have to suggest that “liberals suck” is a much more inflammatory reason to fire someone, wouldn’t you?
            Yep…(stifling a laugh) it is brazen but unless there is a rule of some sort…..would this not fall under your “lawful but awful”.

            • Mathius says:

              would this not fall under your “lawful but awful”.

              I would think so.

              But I don’t know the rules.

              Still… all I’m saying is that we know he posted AT LEAST two comments:
              A) Trump is the President
              B) Liberals suck

              And then he was fired.

              Wholly aside from whether he might have been fired for other reasons entirely and JUST focusing on these two items, I find it very interesting that Gman and Co’s conclusion is that he was fired for the former.

              It’s almost like some kind of cherry-picking victimhood complex.

              “Gary was caught stealing from the cash register while wearing a MAGA hat. He was immediately fired. Clearly, the management fired him for being a Trump supporter!”

  27. In a new move, Trump is trying to eliminate illegal aliens from being used in the count for House representation. The argument being that they are sovereigns of another country similar to what Indians were before congress granted them citizenship. Since they do not have legal residence here they fall into the class of visitors similar to those here in a visa. I don’t know how they are going to determine who is here legally and who is here illegally. They did not get the citizenship question on the forms although it has been there in the past. But citizenship is different than residence.

    Personally I think this is a good move as federal disbursements are based on residents. Maybe if states like CA did not get excess federal funds, they would not make it so lucrative for illegals to move here. The Feds should not be subsidizing illegal activity.

    • Trump is trying to eliminate illegal aliens from being used in the count for House representation

      Seems reasonable to me.

      Trump is trying to eliminate illegal aliens from being used in the count for House representation

      Maybe, now that slavery is out.. .mostly out… we can reinstate the 3/5ths clause and count illegal immigrants as 3/5ths? (there’s a solution that should piss off literally everyone in the country!)

      Trump is trying to eliminate illegal aliens from being used in the count for House representation

      Just curious if you believe he would still be doing this if more illegal immigrants lived in red states….

      That is, I agree it’s right. The question is whether you think he’s doing the right thing because it’s self-serving or whether he’d do it even if it were against his interests.

      They did not get the citizenship question on the forms although it has been there in the past.

      When in the past? I was under the impression he was trying to add something new.

      Or, by in the past, are we talking about like 70 years ago?

      I don’t know how they are going to determine who is here legally and who is here illegally.

      Don’t worry about it! Trump will decide what the right answer is with his big beautiful stable genius brain and let you know how many votes he’ll be deducting from CA and what Red States he’ll be giving them to.

      But citizenship is different than residence.

      Correct.

      The Feds should not be subsidizing illegal activity.

      Correct.

      The Feds should not be subsidizing illegal activity.

      I think it SHOULD be LEGAL to come here. But, as it’s NOT, they shouldn’t be counted.

      Nor should they be the beneficiary of government funds or programs (except to the extent that doing so is in the interests of citizens).

      • The latest year that census reports are open and can be searched is 1940. The 1950 census should be available next year. Since 1850, birth state or nation was on the census. In the late 1800s, they also asked for year of immigration and year of naturalization.

        It would make no difference where I live. People here illegally or just visiting should not be counted for representation. I am actually surprised that you agree with this.

        3/5 counting would certainly get some attention.

  28. Crat’s are using the term Trump Troops. I find this hilarious and hypocritical at the same time. I believe it was Obama who wanted a Federal police force as powerful and well funded as the military. And Libby’s said NOTHING.

    • Mathius says:

      Maybe… I don’t seem to recall this…

      I DO, however, recall Republicans/conservatives believing this… and having apoplexy over paranoid fantasies related to this.

      Which is why I find it so interesting that now they’re just fine with it.

      The left seems to be trending into a new nomenclature for so-called conservatives who have abandoned any semblance of the principles they supposedly held under Obama and now praise Trump for doing those same things and worse. Watch for the term Boot Licker to make a resurgence.

      • Obama did make the statement. He also bought tons of ammo and arms for armed officers in many alphabet agencies that are not normally associated with law enforcement.

        I did hear that the head of CBP admit to having officers in Portland. He claimed they wore normal insignia but w/o name badges because officers were being doxed.

        • Mathius says:

          Obama did make the statement.

          Citation?

          He also bought tons of ammo and arms for armed officers in many alphabet agencies that are not normally associated with law enforcement.

          I saw an article recently that the LA school system was relinquishing their grenade launchers. I had to check several times to ensure that it wasn’t The Onion…

          I did hear that the head of CBP admit to having officers in Portland. He claimed they wore normal insignia but w/o name badges because officers were being doxed.

          That jives with what I know.

            • Mathius says:

              Here are the next few lines from that speech: “We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skillsets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

              This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.”

              And, from this, you got the idea that Obama wanted a federal police force akin to the Gestapo?

              That’s a pretty twisted interpretation.

              • Are you goddamn deaf? Thats EXACTLY what he said, minus the Gestapo stuff, which I never claimed.

              • Mathius says:

                Are you goddamn deaf?

                Even if I were, this is a written text forum….

                Thats EXACTLY what he said,

                It’s a narrowly cropped quote which misrepresents what he’s talking about.

                minus the Gestapo stuff, which I never claimed.

                Fair enough – withdrawn.

              • I’m thinking your just having fun being a shithead. 😛

              • Mathius says:

                “you’re”

      • Well, he did say it.

        “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

        https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/10/remember_obamas_civilian_national_security_force.html

        So I deduce that since Obama wanted this ‘secret’ police, and then created this ‘secret’ police that nobody knew about (because it’s secret), this ‘secret’ police would not be available for President Trump to use….This is all Obama’s fault! 🙂

      • Actually, as far as Trump following the law and the Constitution, he has been spot on with most things. I’m sure there have been some slips, but every Prez has them.

  29. OK…just talked to my friend ( who was actually on my staff in the military ) who works for DHS. He is having fun with this stuff up on the West Coast…..here is what he just now reported to me….(understanding that it is third hand info).

    1) Obviously, these are not Trump’s Troops…..there are no troops.
    2) Neither are they a secret police brought in from the outside.
    3) Portland and Seattle have ATF, DHS, and ICE presently assigned there in Federal Buildings.
    4) In Seattle alone, there are approximately 400 Federal agents assigned and live there abd the same for Portland. It is these agents that have been tasked and all are trained in law enforcement.
    5) No Federal agent is assigned to arrest people in suspicion and do not drive around abducting people off the street.
    6) They are there to protect Federal property only. They are not there to facilitate the local law.
    7) They have arrest and detainment authority to arrest persons, any persons, that destroy Federal property.
    8) They do not need the permission of civil authority to protect Federal buildings.
    9) All uniforms are clearly marked except the markings are subdued in order to prevent targets from a distance.
    10) They clearly identify them selves as Federal agents and give ONE….only ONE order to leave the premises. If they do not leave the premise immediately, they are arrested.

    Now, if anyone has anymore questions, I am sure that I can get the answers.

    • Mathius says:

      5) No Federal agent is assigned to arrest people in suspicion and do not drive around abducting people off the street.

      It would seem this is objectively false….

      10) They clearly identify them selves as Federal agents and give ONE

      It would see that, in at least one case, this is objectively false.

      ———-

      As to the rest of it..

      • Citations please.

      • All I am doing Mathius is reporting what the protocol is(as told to me by someone who is in DHS). I am not going to believe the short versions of clips that I see. Out of curiosity, how do you know this navy dude was not warned. Maybe I have missed something?

        • Mathius says:

          Out of curiosity, how do you know this navy dude was not warned.

          You’re mixing up two separate items.

          A) Navy guy who was (almost certainly) told to leave and didn’t. He was beaten for disobeying the order despite being clearly non threatening. I wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if they arrested him. But in MATHIUS’s America, cops don’t get to beat civilians who aren’t a threat.

          B) This video. Of a guy standing around doing nothing (maybe he did something earlier), and the cops roll up on him and throw him in an unmarked car without a word, without identifying themselves, without reaching his rights, etc. They clearly knew who he was and came for him, but this wasn’t a case of “protecting” anything. They rounded him up off the street. If this video were in Chinese and happened in Hong Kong, it wouldn’t seem the least bit out of place.

          • For someone who claims to know so much about the law, you jump to conclusions awful fast.

            Interesting that the videographer was trained to get the individual to state he was doing nothing wrong and to give his name and then advised him the the NLG (National Lawyers Guild) would get him out.

            The George Floyd incident was over 6 weeks ago. These protests and riots have gone on far to long. It is not about GF any more. This is orchestrated anarchy to silence people and impact the election. This has gone well beyond peaceful protests. It is time for the citizens of these large cities to wake up and through these derelict leaders out.

    • Question #5, don’t Custom and Border Protection(CBP), who arrested the guy , have that power? Fairly certain I’ve seen this occur in sanctuary cities, when the local police aren’t allowed to work with them.

  30. Now, let us dispense with the notion that people thought it was Obama’s army and the Walmarts in Texas. I thought that I put this to bed a long time ago…..

    Every two years, since 1975, the Texas National Guard holds exercises all over Texas. We parachute into known areas, roll convoys into towns all in the middle of the night, set up mock road blocks, utilize empty warehouses, put armed guards around all energy producing sites, fly patrols along the New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Louisiana borders. We patrol the rivers and the dams. It only happens in Texas……..WHY, you ask.

    Because Texas operates its own power grid and is separate from the rest of the country’s 2 power grids. We do not use power from other sources…we generate it. So, we practice on securing our power grid and supporting assets. That is all.

    • Mathius says:

      Yes.

      But do you recall people freaking the hell out over it being a prelude to Obama declaring martial law?

      • Yes, this I do remember….and I remember laughing about the conspiracy theories all around….complete with secret tunnels, underground trains, and a heliport in the middle of an empty Walmart store where the roof opens and closes like a sports stadium. I remember it all and it still happens every time we pull a drill. There is one scheduled in three weeks…i wonder if it will be a Trump take over.

      • I do too. Conspiracy theorist were thick as liberals in NYC back then.

  31. Mathius says:

    Curious how SUFA feels about Felons and voting rights.

    If you are a convicted felon and you have served your time, and you are a citizen in good standing, should you be allowed to vote?

    FURTHER, if the law says that you can vote in your state once you’ve paid (unspecified) fines and fees and restitution, does that change anything in your mind? Does it matter to you that, effectively, this means poor felons can’t get the right to vote back, but well-off felons can?

    Thoughts?

    • First question: yes
      Second question: if you can’t pay the fine, don’t do the crime. In good standing would apply to fines, fees etc.

      • Canine Weapon says:

        I know for a fact that this is more or less how Mathius looks at speeding.

    • You give up your right while in jail. After you have paid what society considers your dues….your rights are restored.

      As far as paying your fines, fees, and restitution, I can find middle ground. You do not give them a pass because of financial status, but you can give them work and community service.

  32. Mathius,,,,,,

    Maybe it’s just optics. But I don’t like it. Agreed

    But they aren’t protecting – at least not in all the videos I’ve seen – they’re arresting people after the fact. Does that change anything? Notwithstanding edited videos….I do not like it.

    That doesn’t change the fact that he was clearly non-threatening and they just started beating him for non-compliance. I don’t care if that’s legal or not. It’s unamerican. but we have to add it to allegations that the feds were refusing to identify themselves.. plus we have federal troops previously in DC who refused to identify themselves.. and now I’m starting to get a bit of a bad taste in my mouth… I’m not saying it IS Secret Police territory… it’s just…. disconcertingly similar to how I’d imagine the idea of a Secret Police behaving in its early days.

    I am getting a bad taste as well…something…..is…not…..right. Can’t put a finger on it yet but there is something…….I will figure it out.

  33. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Watched some interesting video within the last half hour. There was the SIXTH annual back the blue event in Denver on Sunday. The organizers were attacked by a huge BLM/Antifa (self identified) mob and the rally broken up. Weapons were used. Having difficulty finding any of the video I watched on Google. Am I surprised….not really. There is stuff there but nowhere as intense as what was shown on TV. Even FOX showing it as protest counter protest leaving out the bloodletting from ONE side only.

    The networks are starting to act like the CCP. The old NYT joke, “All the news that FITS we print” seems to have come to pass.

  34. Want to know what hits the border a lot……thankfully this was in Mexico before they got here.

    Police searching for a 2-year-old boy who went missing from a marketplace in southern Mexico led authorities to a house where 23 abducted children were being kept and forced to sell trinkets in the street.Most of the victims were between the ages of 2 and 15, but police said they discovered three babies between 3 and 20 months old during the raid of the house on Monday.

    Unfortunately, this is common place in Mexico….the female children end up on our border starting about age 12….

    • Mathius says:

      the female children end up on our border starting about age 12….

      There’s a special place in hell for people who “buy” children.

      Honestly, I really wish I knew what they lies they have to tell themselves so they can sleep at night.

      Even more honestly, maybe I’m glad I don’t know.

      the female children end up on our border starting about age 12….

      Some of the boys, too… :/

      • Probably….most of the boys are sold off as cartel “mules”.

      • This is one reason that the border fencing works well in some regions. I actually channels the movement.

        Also, maybe you will like this….maybe not. The cartel has such mining equipment that they can dig tunnels under the Rio Grande. They go down about 40 feet and start tunneling. They will eventually figure out that we have the technology to detect tunneling at those depths….so..we let them tunnel until they pass the center point in the river. Then we simply drop a charge in the vicinity and “boom” the shaft fills with water and everyone drowns and the equipment is lost forever. Pretty cool…you should see the whirlpool created when the shaft caves in……the catfish like it.

        • 🙂

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          I had a Sgt with the Cav, S/Sgt Virgil Cassel, who said doing that back and forth thing with an M-80 Tank retriever’s treads really plays havoc with tunnels no matter how deep. Poor guy had cerebral malaria and I don’t think he made it to old age. He also loudly proclaimed to us the virtues of the 1969 vintage AK-47 over the 1969 vintage M-16. having had mine jam during record fire because of wind, rain and some kicked up sand did sour me a bit.

  35. Several things that you don;t Mess with Texas…….do not mess with our guns. Do not mess with our women. DO NOT eat hot sauce from New York City. and do not mess with our blue chip High School football.

    Texas has announced that practice starts in August and schools will start in class between August 15 and Sept 15……but do not mess with football. The high school football games are on schedule. It is a religion greater than the bible…almost as great as our guns.

  36. Col., what do you think of Dan Crenshaw? He reminds me of a young Barry Goldwater or Ronald Reagan. Well read and with clearly thought out principles.

  37. So, now, Joe Biden wants a National Property Tax. Really, a National Property tax…..in addition to raising all the other taxes.

    Zeig Heil!

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