Debate Time!!!!!

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  1. Let the predictions begin!

    • My thoughts on the debate:

      If it occurs, I think Biden will do fairly well. He’s been prepping for weeks now, that should help. The Left Wing Media will declare him the winner, probably within minutes of the start, but if he can stay with his talking points, he will do OK.

      Trump will do OK too. If he can fluster Biden (or hit on Hunter) and take him away from his prep, Trump will win bigly.

      Fun stuff ahead 😀

    • At his press conference yesterday, the question of how much time has he given to debate prep came up. He said “some” and that the two who walked in with him were helping him, Christie and Giuliani. When pressed about how much time he’s spent, Trump said , papaphrase…Look, I’ve been running the country. I’ve been busy. But even though I had no debate experience in 2016, I won them all. I take questions from you all every day. I’m well prepped.

      Had to break out my 6 inch magnifying glass to catch the small print on the cartoon. The (crack) pipe says Hunter. The syringe says meth. I see a baggie with pills. I notice the Red Bull has pull tabs, is that a think I wasn’t aware of? And Garrison put the Red Bull in JUST for Mathius. Imagine that!

  2. Rick says:
    September 27, 2020 at 8:23 pm (Edit)
    This is a long read but I wanted to share it here to clear up some of the lies the fake news is spreading about Breonna Taylor.

    1) She was not ‘innocent’. She knew exactly what her boyfriends were doing and she was an accomplice to numerous crimes.

    2) She was not shot in her bed. She was in the hallway. And I’ve read that the boyfriend was standing behind her. Nice guy there, huh?

    3) I’ve read that witnesses have stated that the police did knock and did announce themselves.

    4) Taylor provided cars and cell phones to her drug dealing boyfriends. She even rented a car for one of the boyfriend’s, in which that rental car was found with a body in the trunk.

    Breonna Taylor knew exactly what was going on and was willingly a part of it. She placed herself in a bad situation. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/63943132/breonna-taylor-summary-redacted1

    BROUGHT FORWARD!

    • Rick, this shouldn’t be a surprise. Details will always tell the true story, after the damage is done. Hopefully you don’t live in a big Crat run city.

      • It does not surprise me. What does surprise me is the amount of seemingly intelligent people that still believe the media and continue to repeat their lies without doing a little research. And I do not live in a big crat run city. I live outside the city limits in the county. The county seat does have a D mayor. The town that I live closest to and associate the most with is R. Plenty of Trump signs around here but I have yet to see even one Biden sign.

  3. WASHINGTON, D.C.—With Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s confirmation hearings coming up in just two short weeks, Democrats say they are excited to give Republicans free ad campaign footage of them interrogating a successful, powerful, religious mother of seven for hours on end.

    “We are prepared to be even more obnoxious than we were during the Kavanaugh hearings, if that’s what it takes,” said Senator Kamala Harris. “We’re gonna unleash everything we got on this powerful woman, because honestly, she kinda scares us.”

    Republicans say they are standing by, eager to capture footage of the upcoming confirmation hearings, in which Democrats will be forced to attack the religious woman with a beautiful family and successful career.

    “Honestly, we were running out of ideas for good commercials, so this can’t come at a better time,” said one GOP strategist. “Now we can kick back and just hit record.”

  4. What the hell is happening in NYC…………on the news down here is that the principal’s union (or some such) has voted to give control of the public school system to the State because of no confidence in De Blasio?

    Mathius..please..say it ain’t so. Where are the parents and the PTA’s…I have never heard of a principal’s union….is everything unionized in New York?

    • is everything unionized in New York?

      My union boss tells me I have to answer this “no.”

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      They all want to stay home during the pandemic and they want the mayor to hire several tens of thousands more teachers to get class size down to let’s say ten kids per teacher.

  5. On a side note, what are the feelings of SUFA on bailing out state’s and their pension plans using public money? IS there a city or State that is too big to fail?

    What about bailing out private business pension funds with public money using the Covid fiasco as a reason? The Teamsters Union, the Airlines Union, the Teachers Unions, the Machinist union have all asked for public money to ensure that their retired can keep getting their pensions.

    AOC’s new plan, endorsed by Harris, is to sunset all pension plans, public and private, and redistribute to all people a permanent retirement program.

    Further, if you read very carefully, the Biden website and the bullet points in there, the amount of government take over is astounding.

    Kamala Harris, along the the squad, has also talked about rescinding Jerusalem as the Jewish Capitol and de-funding the peace arrangements Trump has just negotiated among some of the ME states and Israel. WHY? I defer to our resident Jewish member on his feelings of same.

    • If pension plans are in need of bailing out, people need to go to jail for fraud. If people go to jail, then I might consider helping those that were victims. If no one goes to jail, then NO, no public money to bail them out.

      A small note: Much of this is directly involved with Unions. Now we know where the problem lies.

      • Dale A Albrecht says:

        My grandfather paid into his Union pension for most of his working career,. The union leaders stole the entire pension and beat feet to Switzerland. They were never extradited. The workers went to the company, and the answer was, you guys voted in the union. Sorry. If the company had maintained the pension they would have made it good. Grandpa had worked for them 50 years. Litton industries had bought the company at some time before he retired. It was unfortunate the workers stayed unionized when litton took over.

        Lucky they believed in savings and owned everything.

        I worked, once, for a company that you had to join a union. I hated it because there was a two tier management system. The company would say we want him here doing this work and go on the extended sea trials. The union said no. Not enough seniority. Yet I reengineered the communication systems, air control systems and weapons tracking systems. The Navy said we can just recall him to active duty. But to prevent union troublea the company and navy backed down. .the guy that was sent worked on NONE of the systems.

    • I know that Pelosi has suggested nationalizing 401Ks & IRAs for some time. Your IRA would be invested in treasuries and you would be paid a fixed stipend on retirement similar to SS. I would guess the inheritable feature of IRAs would also be lost.

      If the states know that they will be bailed out, there will be no fiscal responsibility going forward. Even the red states will overspend. How can the Feds bail out anyone when they too are broke.

      I proposed a few months back that if a state goes bankrupt, they should lose statehood and revert to a federally run territory. All state offices including the legislature should be vacated and those in office ineligible for holding public office ever again.

      https://www.pionline.com/article/20180621/INTERACTIVE/180629958/u-s-retirement-assets-at-28-trillion-in-q1-little-changed-from-end-of-2017

      There are currently over $17T in IRA and 401K plans. Confiscating this would be a great boon to balancing our national debt. I lieu of confiscation, they could directly tax income in these plans by taxing profits from stocks and mutual funds prior to distribution into the plan. Naturally this would destroy some of the benefits of having such plans.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      As a NYC pensioneer receiving $ 22,000 per year after 21 years service not collectable until age 55, the NY City plan has always been on pretty firm ground. Attempts to “raid” it for other things have always failed. I am fairly confident that it will remain solvent. Over the years as things have changed, the plan has morphed demanding more employee contributions and smaller payouts. In my time we have gone from a one size fits all plan Tier 1 to something called Tier SEVEN. The exceptions are the uniformed services who always get 50% at 20 years regardless of age. If they are smart, they break something in the final years and gop out at 100% disability. The othger outrage among the uniformed guys and gals is that they can load up on overtime the last three yearr (high three) and go out actually making more pension wise than they did working 40 hoiurs per week. NOBODY has the guts to link the pension only to the regular salary.

      NJ has a whack syetem that is apparently statewide. the Governors of all political persuasions have always been willing to promise the sky, moon and stars to Civil Service types and there is nothing in the bank account. Meanwhile the local unions negotiate with the municipalities (does that make any sense) and are paid at much higher rates than in larger Urban Areas like NYC. You constantly see teachers and Cops from places like NY abandon the city for much more lucrative salaries and “promised pensions” than they would get in the city. Jersey also has the “high three” so we have cops here retiring at $ 150,000 per annum. That’s patrolmen, not Captains. Just received my current 2010-2021 Tax bill. 70 plus percent is going for “school taxes”. That is 70% of $ 12,000 for a $ 500,000 home on a 50 X 100 lot with four bedrooms and a bath and a half.

      If I was not so damned old, Colonel, I’d move in next door to you.

      • It is no different in CA. Calpers is underfunded and never seems to be able to invest profitably. They are forced to divest any stock that has a bad smell to the PC crowd. I think Calpers would do better using a dart board for an investment strategy. The CA government unions run the state. Between the cops, prison guards, teachers and muni workers unions have complete control of both the legislature and governor. The teachers union runs political ads year around. Our unfunded liabilities are huge but the politicians will not tackle the problem and just kick the can down the road. Eventually we will pay.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Several year back T, the California Teachers pension plan invested in a Housing Project in Brooklyn called Vandeveer Estates, it was built in the 1950’s and was a model of private sector mis-management from the ’60’s on. To ease rent regulation, they block busted their own project back then and NEVER got it back on track. Within a five year period, this several thousand unit complex went from 95 percent white to 95 percent non-white taking a whole adjacent neighborhood with it. The Union lost a fortune when they bailed.

  6. On a side note, what are the feelings of SUFA on bailing out state’s and their pension plans using public money?

    No.

    IS there a city or State that is too big to fail?

    No.

    But if there is, it’s New York or LA. But it’s not. Because the answer is “no.”

    What about bailing out private business pension funds with public money using the Covid fiasco as a reason?

    No.

    The Teamsters Union, the Airlines Union, the Teachers Unions, the Machinist union have all asked for public money to ensure that their retired can keep getting their pensions.

    No.

    AOC’s new plan, endorsed by Harris, is to sunset all pension plans, public and private, and redistribute to all people a permanent retirement program.

    I would need to hear more, but my gut reaction is………. “no.”

    Further, if you read very carefully, the Biden website and the bullet points in there, the amount of government take over is astounding.

    Eh….. You gotta take that kind of thing with a grain of salt. Biden won’t be able to accomplish a fraction of what he “wants” even if he does actually “want” all that. Even if your “careful” reading is accurate in terms of what it says, it ignores that it’s probably mostly just pie-in-the-sky red meat for the Blue base. If you took everything in the Trump website (read carefully) at face value, I’m sure you’d be perturbed as well.

    Kamala Harris, along the the squad, has also talked about rescinding Jerusalem as the Jewish Capitol

    Source.

    This is one of the few things I give Trump unfettered approval for.

    and de-funding the peace arrangements Trump has just negotiated among some of the ME states and Israel. WHY? I defer to our resident Jewish member on his feelings of same.

    I would need to know more about her thinking.

    But I will reiterate that “anti-Israel” is not the same thing as “antisemitic.”

    Israel might be a nominally “good” country in a very “bad” region, but it is not a good-good country. It has major problems and some very valid criticisms. You don’t have to be pro “march all the Jews into the sea” in order to hold the position that “our blind unfaltering support for Israel is problematic” or assertions of that stripe.

    I have often criticized Israels – and I will do so again here in generalities: I think the country rides the unassailable high-horse of Jewish victimhood and uses it as a shield against all legitimate criticism of their actions. They paint criticism of the state as criticism of the religion when the truth is far from it. Israel has to do some rather extreme things to protect its own existence, I grant that, but they oppress the Palestinians, deny equal rights, condone torture, and destabilize an already unstable region with aggressive unilateral action and posturing. They have lobbied and manipulated the US government to the point that it is essentially necessary to take a vow of fealty to the state of Israel to hold federal office and I do not think that it is right for a foreign country – yes, even a “good” one full of Jews – to hold that much sway over our own foreign policy. Protecting a foreign country should be a means to our own political ends – not the end in and of itself.

    On top of all that, having traded stocks in Israel, I’ll add that, since Friday is the Sabbath, they keep their markets open Sun-Thu, which means that those assholes have made me book trades on Sundays. (As do Saudi Arabia and Egypt)

  7. Just A Citizen says:

    How can we insist on States paying their own way without also insisting that the Fed Govt pay its own way????????

    Of course those of us at SUFA support both positions. But obviously those with the voting power do not.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      Is it possible that part of both fiscal problems are the Federal mandates. The States are bribed with money to accept the mandates.

      We’d be much better off to just say “NO”

  8. Just A Citizen says:

    https://www.redstate.com/darth641/2020/09/28/opinion-the-steps-towards-revolution-or-hostile-takeover-from-within/

    Note: Even after you put down the insurgency it takes TEN YEARS to get back to almost normal.

    • Judge Jeanine said on a recent Rubin Report that Trump is considering the insurrection act if things go south after the election.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      When I satrted working in “Neighborhood Preservation” for the City of New York, I was confident we would have immediate results. My sainted late father, the bartender – sage cautioned me….”.If it took thirty years to screw it up, it will take thirty year to unscrew it.” Boy, was he right!

  9. Canine Weapon says:

  10. Just A Citizen says:

    OK, I am just going to say it. There is potentially going to be hell to pay if Mr. Trump wins. Even by a little. But if it is bigger than last time there will be an explosion among the meida, policiticians and perhaps rioting in the streets.

    The media polling consistently puts Biden ahead of Trump. It has been getting tighter but today I see bigger margins reported for Biden. Tens of thousands at Trump rallies and a herd of cricket at Biden’s. Yet the polls say Biden is ahead in Pennsylvania by 9, Nationally by 6 or 7.

    It just is not adding up. This time last time the media was reporting a tightening of the polls but still predicting an easy Hillary win. This time the polls are not closing, at least yet. But here is the odd thing with all the Biden “leads” polling. His percentage is always below 50%.

    • Dale A Albrecht says:

      If Biden wins itll show the total stupidity of the American voter. To put a person who is so obviously mentally incapable of making a clear statement.
      Might as well put “Max Headroom” in a president.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      Let’s let them start their goddam civil war and we will end it quickly. Fifty years from now we can agonize about how we put it down.

    • But if it is bigger than last time there will be an explosion among the media, politicians and perhaps rioting in the streets.

      I thought about this for awhile today and figured “SO WHAT?” The media will lose it, like last time, Crats will be Crats and people are already burning down their own cities. With a good election, the left will burn more of their own cities down, expose themselves for the failure that they are (even more so than now), and we will all be fine, except for them. Sucks to be them, but thats what they vote for.

    • JAC, yesterday I heard Rush Limbaugh explain this, as reported by an insider with supposed first hand knowledge of how they are conducting their polls. Because the Dems have been criticized for their uneven sampling of Dem vs Rep voters, always guaranteeing a higher percentage for the Dem candidate, they have now figured out how to make it APPEAR as though it is even. I wish I remembered all the details but a main part is this… They poll areas of supposed GOP strongholds, but actually poll where they know there is a high percentage of suburban females who are never Trumpers. They go on to carefully stack their percentages in centrist and Dem areas in their favor while appearing as though it is even. I wish I had a link to this…I will try to find one.

      Murf

        • What is the advantage of conducting polling you know is bogus?

          A “sure win” is the surest way to suppress voting on your own side (see Clinton) – people don’t feel like they have to vote since it’s locked up.

          Also, wouldn’t this presuppose a grand conspiracy of polling institutes? To have a deliberate anti-Trump-anti-Republican conspiracy would require an absolutely untenable number of co-conspirators.

          I rely on 538 who diligently works account for intrinsic bias in the various polls and their methodology. Though it was off in 2016, it wasn’t that off. And it was perfect 50/50 in 2008. Nate Silver – who may or may not be a wizard – seems to believe that there are polling institutes with red and blue biases and those which are just bad at their jobs and those who are better than others but just got a shitty sample. In other words, reality is messy. To me, this seems like a much better answer than a conspiracy.

          There are a LOT of polls. That’d be one hell of a conspiracy.

          • Mathius asks What is the advantage of conducting polling you know is bogus?

            Plain as the peg leg on the Pirate…..an uninformed electorate that gleans its knowledge from the media. Lie about the polls and the lemmings continue to run off the cliff.

  11. Stephen K. Trynosky says:
  12. More Project Veritas

    • tyahis is pretty rampant all over…the pay for vote in Democratic Dallas is huge and no one is scared of being arrested. That is why Texas is making it hard to vote. It is a way to try to stem the tide. The Houston mayoral vote was won on paid voters in the black community but no one cares. No one is prosecuting in Houston…..so the Texas Ag and the governor are fighting back the only way they can……this pay for play scheme is probably into the Federal judicial system….given the decisions of late. Especially on the mail in ballots and the voter ID….there is no disenfranchisement out there but they claim that there is. It is utter bullshit.

    • Gman……if it is good for Trump it is good for Biden. I use S Corps all the time for the expressed purpose of avoiding taxes and avoiding employees. It is a cost savings. I also use S Corps because I can offset any personal gain from dividends and capital sales to me personally. Since S Corps pass through the individuals on a personal basis, then you can use corp losses to offset personal gain. A wonderful code in the IRS that is perfectly legal.

      So what if Trump made millions and paid no tax…it is legal. So what if Biden did the same thing….Bernie Sanders does as well. He has TWO s corps.

      The other thing that is great about s corps is that if you file jointly on personal taxes, an s corp can offset income from BOTH parties. I do it all the time.

      There is nothing immoral nor unethical about it unless you are doing something illegal. The other thing that is out there about s corps is that a corporation can donate whatever the maximum is, then you personally can donate what the maximum is and you can deduct both as contributions.

      The really cool thing about s corps is the way to use depreciation. Like in ranching, you can depreciate roads and fences and barns. You can accelerate the depreciation to show continual losses and use those losses to off set personal gain. Let us make it simple….I can make 500 k in stock sales and have a 500k loss in s corps and pay zero income tax. AND have a positive cash flow. You put money in the bank and pay no income tax.

      This is in the IRS tax code and the sub s elections were pressed by democrats way back in the 70’s and 80’s. They were the ones that initially introduced these measures and have not taken them out and neither will the republicans.

      S Corps are great union busting techniques. Want to get rid of a union? Redesign your corporation into a sub s….and hire independent contractors. Pretty simple actually.

      • My point was that they all pay as little taxes as required. Too bad the Liberal media can’t report honestly.

    • Oh, hey, let me fix that for you…

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Knew that was coming. Kudos for the editing skills.

        Of course you do miss the factual difference but that is to be expected.

        • Of course you do miss the factual difference but that is to be expected.

          Is the factual difference that the Republicans played political games to deny a Democratic President his appointment and then acted like they were the aggrieved party when the Democrats cried foul due to blatant hypocrisy four years later, even though Republicans (who represent 15mm fewer voters by the way) have the stronger hand in both cases and won / will win both times, converting a strong liberal justice into a strong conservative justice and swinging the court hard to the right once they approve the appointment of a President who was elected with 3mm fewer votes than the Democratic candidate?

          Something like that?

          Republican: the party of perpetual victimhood complexes.

          • Just A Citizen says:

            Mathius

            WHAT game did the Republicans play? Please enlighten me.
            The only reason you think this was hypocrisy is because you never took the time to find out the facts. You simply accepted the medias truncated and selective version.

            • WHAT game did the Republicans play? Please enlighten me.

              Can you remind me: who was the President in 2016?

          • Just A Citizen says:

            P.S. Where are the Republicans crying about being victims today, on this issue???

            Actual examples please, not the make believe stuff that exists in your head.

          • Do you think for one nanosecond that if the roles were reversed, the Ds would not have done exactly the same thing?

            • Do you think for one nanosecond that if the roles were reversed, the Ds would not have done exactly the same thing?

              No.

              Of course they would.

              I want you to read the following very carefully: elected officials BOTH the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are comprised overwhelmingly of complete shitbags without conscience, moral compass, or any sense of honor or decency. Almost to a man (or woman), both groups are comprised of narcissistic sociopaths who would gleefully throw their own mothers into an active volcano if doing so would give them a 1-pt bump in the polls.

              So, let’s be clear here: I think what Red Team did in 2016 was wrong. I think that, were the roles reversed, and if the Blue Team had the discipline and organization and thought their base would approve, they would have done the exact same thing. And I think Red Team would have been right to kick and scream about it.

              Further: I think Red Team won the pertinent elections in 2016 & 2018, and have the right to nominate and approve a justice. And I think Blue Team is right to bitch and moan impotently about the hypocrisy.

          • the Republicans played political games to deny a Democratic President his appointment and then acted like they were the aggrieved party when the Democrats cried foul due to blatant hypocrisy four years later, even though Republicans (who represent 15mm fewer voters by the way) have the stronger hand in both cases and won / will win both times, converting a strong liberal justice into a strong conservative justice and swinging the court hard to the right once they approve the appointment of a President who was elected with 3mm fewer votes than the Democratic candidate?

            Yes….exactly that. It is how the game is played…..it sucks….but that is how the game was played. And, if the Dems win it all……you will see the games played again…………..so, exactly what is your point? If your point is that the hypocrisy is rampant on the blue and red teams…..I will agree. If your point is something different, then go suck a cranberry red bull.

  13. Dateline Wed, Sept 30, 2020.

    Media reports Biden wins debate claiming he was the most prepared nominee ever. Media gushes uncontrollably.

    Christine Blassey Ford just remembered that it was Amy Coney Barrett that gave her roofies at that party

  14. moderation, please.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      That you openly admit you “enjoyed” that is revealing. And NOT IN A GOOD WAY.

      SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

      • Oh, come on! That was funny.

        You could just as easily write the exact same article about the Democrats.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          It was NOT funny and I would not write the same thing about the D’s.

          By the way, your dog’s sense of humor is as bad as yours.

  15. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/mitch-mcconnell-supreme-court-rule-what-he-said-in-2016/

    There’s a link to McConnell’s actual speech in 2016 on the SC issue.

    • Yes.. that’s a very nice little carve-out he’s made for himself… I’ve heard it and reject it today as I rejected it then: self-serving made-up bullshit to justify a foregone conclusion by pretending to stand on principles rather than – the truth – naked partisanship.

      Here’s what McCain had to say:
      “I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee [Clniton] would put up.”

      Here’s Bill Burr:
      “If Hillary becomes president, I am going to do everything I can do to make sure four years from now, we still got an opening on the Supreme Court.”

      Want to play a game and see how many Red Team senators I can pull similar quotes for?

      Hell, Ted Cruz made ominous suggestions about shrinking the court down to 8 if Clinton won. Seems to me that’s particularly relevant in light of the vapors the right is suffering at the suggestion that the left might try to pack the court if they win.

      • naked partisanship. Yes sir…that is what it is and to the victor the spoils……….hmmmm…I wonder who said that?

        ****using my best church lady voice*****”Could it be OBAMA?

      • I posted this for two reasons. Democrats are screaming that McConnell’s position has changed from his 2016 stance. That isn’t true. Not claiming this was always his stance because I don’t have that information. Second, principles aside, his stance is based on truth. Let’s call it the McConnell rule, this is the way the process has worked and will always work. Especially now, with just a slight majority needed to determine the outcome. Sorry but I find it real hard to get outraged about hypocrisy on this issue, when the real hypocrisy is denying the fact that principles have nothing to do with it.

  16. An observation:

    I just spent a fair amount of time pouring over the threads from early-mid 2016.

    I was on hiatus for much of that, and so didn’t participate during the period wherein Merrick Garland was nominated and denied a vote.

    What is interesting to me – unless I missed it – is that there was no conversation AT ALL about it.

    No one brought it up. No one supported it. No one criticized it. Nada.

    Mathius wonders why this might be.

    • Because you were no there to argue with?

      • Yes… but no one seemed to have anything to say about it… at all?

        I would understand partisan cheering.

        I would understand principled objecting.

        But silence?

        • No Mathius, it’s called elections have consequences. There is a very good reason why Republicans held power in the Senate, to keep Liberal judges off the bench. Then, in 2018, that number grew in the Senate, to make sure that Conservative judges who use the Constitution to rule on things, not their feelings 😀

          • ::spends 10 minutes breathing heavily into a paper bag::

            There is a very good reason why Republicans held power in the Senate,

            OOH! OOH! I KNOW THIS THIS ONE!!! OOH!

            Is it because……………

            Louisiana – 4.6m
            Kentucky – 4.5m
            Oklahoma – 4m
            Utah – 3.3m
            Iowa – 3.2m
            Arkansas – 3m
            Mississippi – 3m
            Kansas – 2.9m
            Nebraska – 2m
            Idaho – 1.8m
            West Virginia – 1.8m
            Montana – 1.1m
            South Dakota – 903k
            North Dakota – 762k
            Alaska – 734k
            Wyoming – 567k
            —–
            16 senate seats – 38.1m people

            vs

            California: 2 senate seats – 39.9m people

            … with enough left over for more than three extra Wyomings. … and then another 126,000 people on top of that.

            ———

            Here’s a fun fact, Senate Republicans represent 15mm fewer constituents than Democratic Senators.

            ———

            Then, in 2018, that number grew in the Senate,

            Since I don’t feel like going the extra mile and comparing only sitting senators, let’s just look at the last three elections..

            2014: 21m (D) vs 25m (R)
            2016: 51m (D) vs 40m (R)
            2018: 49m (D) vs 34m (R)
            tot: 121.7m (D) vs 100.6m (R)

            See that? 20 million more voters voted for Blue Team than Red Team.

            That’s 20% more. In case you were keeping track.

            Then, in 2018, that number grew in the Senate,

            But wait a second, let’s just take a moment and really noodle that, shall we?

            In 2018, as you so helpfully point out, the “number [of Republican senators] grew in the Senate. But odd. It looks, to me like 49m > 34m. By A LOT.

            Carry the five… integrate by the cube root… yea… 15 million.

            In 2018, FIFTEEN MILLION more people voted for Democrats than Republicans, yet the Republican representation grew.

            You, of course, will see no problem with this because you only see problems when they don’t favor you and your side. But I see a problem here. I see the fact that huge margins of voters saying D, but R’s actually winning is a problem. It is a defiance of the express will of The People.

            To take the senate, Blue Team not only has to win – which they regularly do – but win by huge margins.

            You know what? Fuck it… let’s go back further since I have this gorgeous dataset from Harvard!

            Going back to 2000, Senate Democrats got more votes than Senate Republicans (and their respective losing candidates) in 6 of the last 10 elections, totally a whopping 40 million. An average of 5.7% more votes for Democratic Senators than for Republicans.

            Read that again: Over the last two decades, the Democrats have averaged 5.7% more votes than Senate Republicans.

            No Mathius, it’s called elections have consequences

            So, no, it seems that elections don’t have consequences. Not unless you live in the right places. Or else Blue Team would hold a majority in the senate. And the Presidency, too.
            And, yes, the House. But, of course, they don’t. Because the current system builds in a massive bias in favor of people who live in “states” like “Idaho” states.

            • Actually, you really don’t know anything. The House of Representatives represents the people, the Senate represents the States, so population has ZERO to do with the Senate. So today, you have failed your history lesson.

              • Actually, you really don’t know anything.

                YOU’RE RIGHT!

                I forgot to multiply the bullshit favoritism of the republican states by two!

                It’s not 16 seats with less population than two… it’s 32 seats!

                Just shy of a 3rd of the chamber.

                The House of Representatives represents the people, the Senate represents the States

                I cannot emphasize this enough: fuck the states.

                Fuck each and every one of them.

                Even “Idaho.”

                Yes, even ::looks carefully over shoulder:: Texas.

                A state is not a person. It is a place. Places do not matter. People matter.

                The reason your vote counts more than mine is because of a compromise made two hundred years ago to let PEOPLE in rural states have an outsized influence.

                The House of Representatives represents the people, the Senate represents the States, so population has ZERO to do with the Senate.

                First of all, that’s not true.

                It’s just not.

                California gets 53 reps which, if you do some basic math, tells you that each representative represents roughly 750k people. But, once again, to stick with our friend Wyoming, they get one vote per 570k people. Odd… that sounds like you get more voting power even in the House if you live in some states over others.

                Now I’m going to have to do the math unless….. ::googles:: nope nothing quick… I’ll crunch it tomorrow if I remember… should be interesting.. maybe it favors Dems… but I doubt it.

                Why do I doubt it? Because, if it did, then Red Team would be screeching about it like the whiny cry babies they are.

                The House of Representatives represents the people

                Secondly, even though that’s nominally true, it doesn’t matter because I get FUCKED when it comes to representation in the Judiciary since the bias is so skewed to your flyover states for the Senate.

                So today, you have failed your history lesson.

                Ooorrrrrrrr… today you willfully ignored the point I’m making, substituted your own, and argued with that… again.

            • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

              Matt….Stop with your whining bullshit….. you know the route that has to be taken….. Change the Constitution if you don’t like it. The reason NY is so Fucked up is because the wonderful supremes decided state constitutions could not mimic the Federal one. ONE MAN ONE VOTE, no protection for the less populated counties who have to love with the crap the overpopulated ones dump on them. Two results off theh top of my head, 1. NO FRACKING EVER 2. The taking of nuclear power off the table in the State. 3. The DEATH of upstate NY runs a close third.

              Now I know in your heart of hearts tahtwhat you really want is for Biden to win, appoint 6 new Supremes from tHe Harvard law School faculty and rule the United States Constituition …..Unconstitutional!

              • Matt….Stop with your whining bullshit…..

                Make me.

                you know the route that has to be taken….. Change the Constitution if you don’t like it.

                Amen!

                But, ooooh… wait…. I can’t.

                Because the bias is so baked in in favor of tiny states that I could never pass that amendment.

                I mean, it’s obvious, isn’t it? Red States benefit from this bias, so Red States will defend the bias. And because of that same bias, I can’t override them to get rid of it. Wooo… nice neat circular trap!

                ONE MAN ONE VOTE, no protection for the less populated counties who have to love with the crap the overpopulated ones dump on them.

                So instead we have to deal with vacant states with no one living in them issuing edicts to the states where people DO live, and having such a nearly-insurmountable advantage in Senate that they get to rule the Supreme Court and the Senate and the Presidence since… and again, I cannot stress this enough, THEY ARE THE MINORITY.

                Don’t get me wrong. I’m actually ok with protections for the minority. But the minority shouldn’t be in charge.

                Maybe the scales just need to be adjusted a bit. Maybe in ye olden tymes, this setup made sense. But in the current world, it just means “Fuck the Blue States, Flyover Country will rule the Senate and Ohio will pick the President.”

                Now I know in your heart of hearts tahtwhat you really want is for Biden to win,

                No… I’m.. ok with that.

                What I WANT is Trump to lose.

                Yes, it amounts to the same thing in practical terms, but Biden isn’t something I would have chosen. Remember, I voted for Bernie.

                appoint 6 new Supremes from tHe Harvard law School faculty and rule the United States Constituition

                I really like textualists on the court. One of the reasons I’m not screaming about Amy Barrett. (I’m screaming about the hypocrisy of appointing her, but not HER herself).

                I generally prefer conservatives on the court. I feel I’ve said this many times.

                I also, generally, prefer a balance. 5-4 is nice. With a conservative majority. 6-3 is less good. 7-2 is dangerous.

                If Biden were to appoint a new Ginsburg, I’d be ok with that as it helps balance the conservative over-balance. But I wouldn’t want him to tip the scale completely to 8-1 liberals. That kind of court would “discover” all KINDS of rights and hidden meanings. No thank you!

                …..Unconstitutional!

                How so?

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                if you could find a “right to privacy” to come up with Roe vs. Wade, then you could easily state that the one man one vote rule should most certainly hold for the US Senate to “bring it up to date” Hell, they could use their prior rulings on states as “precedent”.

                The difficulty of changing the constitution, is deliberate. You just want some kind of pure democracy which unless you try a French Revolution cannot and should not happen. Watching the routine chaos in the “democratic” House, mostly democrat but sometimes republican, teh Senate serves it’s purpose as did the House of Lords in GB where I suspect the idea came from.

            • Matt, for an intelligent person you sometimes are incredible dumb. The founders selected a modified federal republic because democracies are incredibly unstable. For a republic we are currently verging on the mean lifetime. So if we had a democracy from the start, the US as we know it would be history. Your solution leads to mob rule and loss of rights for minorities be they racial, class, or financial. We already have mobs in the streets that are demanding blind adherence to their ideologies. This is what you will get with a democracy.

              There are currently fringe groups calling for the dissolution of the country should Trump win. If Biden wins and we turn hard socialists, conservatives will take to the streets leading to full on civil war. I don’t think you want that because revolutions usually do not end well.

              As SKT points out, the one-man-one-vote rule has done major harm to the rural sections of several states. CA is one. City folks and their reps who have no knowledge or rural life, control everything. In CA, they have virtually shut down mining and timber production. They even pass laws on how to raise farm animals and pass selective taxes and fees that only impact the rural areas.

              • T Ray….you cannot argue with him on this because he believes that the will of New York and California should decide everything because there are more people that live there. he also, mistakenly, believes that New York and California are the mainstream.

                I think it is wrong to elect the House by population…Mathius also thinks that his vote and my vote do not count simply because of the demographics. He is wrong, of course, and tries to confuse the issues with statistics which can be made to say anything….I am pretty smart myself, despite my age. My late dad…….always said……”figures do not lie but liars can figure.”

                I believe that each state regardless of population should have equal say in the election. But Mathius will lock himself in his basement with cases of Red Bull. Populous states already have an advantage in the electorate…….but he does not want that. He wants New York and California to control the Presidency. He likes to skew numbers…..well, skew is not the correct term because Mathius is not dishonest….but he does know how to manipulate the numbers to show his side and that is ok. Just call him out on it.

            • You know what? Fuck it… let’s go back further since I have this gorgeous dataset from Harvard! Therein lies your problem……Harvard. The kindergarten of the East.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Ahem, Sir you have done an injustice to kindergartens everwhere. I would say pre-school but that would be an insult to them.

                So I will go with SAND BOX

              • Now, JAC….I did say the East…..but since you live in the WEST, you can use the sandbox analogy for the western coast. But…I suppose, either way, it is still an insult.

  17. U.S.—In a highly accurate and scientific CNN poll taken pre-debate, presidential candidate Joe Biden has had a clear win over incumbent President Donald Trump, with 98% saying Biden won the debate tonight and only 2% saying Trump won.

    “Biden just dominated Trump with his very non-senile performance,” said pundit Jacob Ingram. “Or at least that’s what everyone knows is going to happen.”

    The poll sampled smart people who are also attractive and cool, and it’s very clear that those people all think Biden is great and have already awarded him the win in tonight’s debate against the dumb and abrasive Trump.

    “With such a clear and decisive win, there’s really no reason to even have the debate,” said Biden campaign staffer Lucas Mathis. “That would only distract from how great Biden is doing. And ruin his naps.”

    The Trump campaign has denounced the poll as “fake news,” even though the poll was made using numbers and a computer which are common instruments of science.

    It is unclear if the actual debate tonight could affect the poll results, but most experts expect that it will not.

  18. There is all this arguing over paying “their fair share”. Since there is no moral or ethical definition of “fair share”…..isn’t it correct to say that the government (IRS) determines your fair share according to the law and the formula tells you what your fair share is and, henceforth, you must pay this?

    So, exactly, what is fair share? It appears to me to be totally subjective.

  19. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Now one of Rush’s callers almost got it right today when she said Mrs Dr. Biden is pushing her husband, he poor wretch, because she has an ulterior motive. BINGO! but she did not know what that motive was. Well to become Edith Wilson, that’s the motive.

    Just wipe the pablum off his face, roll him out before the cameras and hold up some Bill she had him sign. Kamala is in for a surprise.

  20. Now that we have significant evidence that election fraud exists and is significant, let’s look at the potential outcomes of this election. Obviously, it could turn out to be a normal election with a clear winner and everyone just moves on. However, it is looking like that may not happen. So if votes are contested and this goes into the courts, winners in each state may not be declared by the Dec. 14th date that the electors vote. Each state sets the certification date with CA being the latest at Dec. 11th. I believe (have not confirmed) but if there is no clear state winner, that the respective state legislatures can appoint electors. It has happened in the past that multiple slates of electors have voted, with the House selecting which slate to accept. It is also possible that a state may not send electors if the results are tied up in court. Thus on Dec. 14, the electoral vote could be tied or insufficient for any candidate to have 270 votes. Under these conditions, the election gets thrown into the House. The new House is sworn in on Jan. 3 and the EC votes are opened on Jan. 4.

    It is not the current House that selects the president but the new house. Each state gets one vote, so it depends on the party makeup of the individual states. Now if there is contention on the presidential vote, there in all likelihood will be contention on individual representatives. I believe the House can challenge the credentials of members if there are questions. So it is possible that the membership in the House will be short of the normal 435 members. The House must select the president by Jan 20th or appoint a fill in. So this could turn into a royal mess made even worse if there are mobs in the street.

    This could get really messy. Let’s hope for a clear winner on Nov. 3rd.

    Now let’s add one more wrinkle. Suppose Joe Biden must drop out for some reason between now and election day or if elected between Nov. 4th and Jan. 20th. Ballots are printed so the election will go ahead. If Biden/Harris wins, I assume the D electors will vote for Harris but that is not guaranteed. If he drops out between Dec. 15th and Jan. 20th, I assume Harris is inaugurated. She will then nominate a VP and the House will confirm.

  21. Dale A Albrecht says:
  22. Dale A Albrecht says:

    So the USA Today says that NYC had some real scrambling to do. Errors on names and addresses of absentee ballots.

    This is not an accident

  23. Just A Citizen says:

    Just sitting here sipping on some mediocre Whisky and LMAO…………. Poor Mathius and all his friends. If I had any empathy left for them I would certainly feel bad. BUT I DO NOT.

    https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/09/29/dni-john-ratcliffe-takes-unprecedented-step-of-slamming-down-fakenews-claim-about-russia-hoax-letter/

  24. What a bunch of bicker babies.

    Blech

    • All three

    • The only thing that looked presidential at that debate was the carpet.

      • I don’t know.. the backdrop was nice.

        • Glad that I did not watch it. I will read what everyone says here and you already know what the pundits are going to say….and each base is going to say. From what I have read, we looked like a Parliament meeting in the UK…..shouting and innuendos and no substance.

          • There was ZERO substance last night.

            The only thing it accomplished is to make me question Joe’s temperament. Trump met my (very low) expectations, but Joe got bated and flustered and did a lot more interrupting and cross-talk than I would have expected from him. It’s not that he’s a saint, but I was given to understand that he was more disciplined and controlled than that.

            Perhaps this is the advice he received in prep – “you have to fight with Trump or you’ll be perceived as weak”? Perhaps Trump just got under his skin? Who knows? He was definitely evasive on a number of points where I’d have liked to hear some, you know, substance.

            Trump, as expected, was aggressive and often incoherent. Though, to be fair, far MORE coherent than usual. He relentlessly interrupted Biden. Mathius wondered at the time whether this is because of his impulsiveness or because he knows that Biden, being a life-long stutterer, can be easily thrown off by interruptions. It definitely seemed to work. I suppose it’s a bit of column A and a bit of column B. Like Biden, Trump was evasive on a number of points where I’d have liked to hear some substance. And I think he absolutely flubbed the opportunity to condemn white supremacy – that was a gimme – so we can expect to see that as a major campaign point from the Biden camp going forward.

            Wallace seemed like a kindergarten substitute teacher. He did a good job of trying to moderate, but he just didn’t have the power to enforce it and got dragged into the arguing to try to exert control. I would have liked to see him cut off their microphones when appropriate. Trump, of course, attempted to play the ref, suggesting that he was in a debate versus both Biden and Wallace, but I find this disingenuous – he held Biden’s feet to the fire ever bit as much. Honestly, I just think he should have stood up and walked out after 20 minutes.

            The only other thing I’ll add is this: Trump was a violent shade of orange last night. I mean… wow…. just…. he barely looked human (and, yes, I checked Fox, too).

            ——

            I haven’t checked any news yet today, but I’ll just go ahead and assume that both sides are claiming clear victories.

            • Agreed, Trump missed an opportunity on the Charlottesville question. He should have said, “Yes, I did say good people, but, as you well know Chris, in the very next sentence I condemned the white supremacists and KKK. So please Mr Wallace and Mr. Biden, stop propagating that lie.”

            • Personally, I thought Trump lost the first part of the debate, he came off looking defensive. That changed at some point, and Biden started to look and act like a politician. All his ” sincere ” looking straight at the audience and trying to look Presidential, while actually looking fake. Then the condescension started, enough to make one ill.

              • Personally, I thought Trump lost the first part of the debate, he came off looking defensive.

                I don’t know that he was losing. I think he was aggressive and defenseive… he’s a brawler and was trying to find his footing… but I don’t think Biden “landed” any hits.

                I think it was just sound and fury signifying nothing.

                That changed at some point, and Biden started to look and act like a politician.

                Well… I mean… he IS a politician….

                But, I guess this depends on where you are coming from. I want a politician. Not a wildcard. To be clear, I want a good politician… but I do want a politician. I want a person in control who understands politics who can operate as an executive.

                So “sounds like a politician” may be a negative to YOU, but to me, it’s a neutral term.

                Now… if you mean, by this, he sounded “insincere,” well then, I hate to break it to you, but there isn’t a “sincere” bone in either of their bodies.

                All his ” sincere ” looking straight at the audience and trying to look Presidential, while actually looking fake.

                I mostly agree. But, once or twice, it came off nicely.

                Pure theater, though. Meaningless.

                Then the condescension started, enough to make one ill.

                Could you point me at this… I got a little, maybe… “bemusement” when Trump was rambling.. but other than facial expressions, I didn’t notice (as distinct from “it wasn’t there”) any condescension from Biden.

  25. Biden did not space out but he did blink a lot. Trump needs to learn to shut up. Trump missed lots opportunities to explain his actions to the people. He could have given much better answers of the climate change and his tax cuts and how they impact business. Biden lied on several answers most notably Charlottesville. So he is going to give us a tax break for insulating houses. I got one for the first two houses I owned in the 1980s. Seems like that job should have been done already. He claimed that alternative energy is as cheap as gas and coal. It is not by about a factor of 4-5. In fact you have to maintain the conventional resources to back up wind and solar so there is no net gain but a loss.

    • He claimed that alternative energy is as cheap as gas and coal. This is crap…..Texas is the highest wind producing state….and it is three times more expensive than oil and natural gas.

      As a matter of fact, I reported on here that the town of Georgetown, Texas ( another liberal experiment ) voted four years ago to convert to complete alternative energy and the city revamped everything from wind turbines to solar panels to water wheels…..they tried everything. That lasted two years and the energy rates more than doubled and there were brownouts and black outs all the time. They ended up relying on oil and gas energy 35% of the time. Alternative DOES NOT WORK.

    • So he is going to give us a tax break for insulating houses As you said, this is nothing new. Been doing this for decades.

  26. That was both annoying and entertaining. Nothing new there.

    A few thoughts:

    Joe would not answer the question on packing the court. Epic fail.
    Trump could have explained many things better. Not epic, but a fail.
    Trump zinged Biden with “I’ve done more in 47 months than you have done in 47 years”
    Biden on systemic racism ” Yes, there is systemic racism in education………..And then went on. This is telling.
    Trump killed Biden on the law and order issue.
    Trump killed Biden on the ” you’ve just lost the Bernie supporters” Your can’t say it because you’ll lose the far Left”.

    Biden didn’t help himself. But, the Leftist media will claim he kicked ass. LMAO!

  27. The one thing about the chaos and all the crosstalking that I find interesting, is that they can stop it if they wanted too. Put each candidate in a soundproof booth and turn off the damn mic when the other guy is on his time. But NOOOOO! We have to filter through the BS to get the stuff on policies.

    Which leads me too the policies. Where did Biden do well and where did he fail (same question for Trump)?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      I’ll take this one……Joe seemed to have some tip-of-the-tongue things he wanted to get out but struggled to do so. Factoids spilling over each other – if you were looking for cogent coherent understanding – you didn’t get it.

      If the criteria for Joe to win was….not falling asleep – then he won? Ehhh….to me he just looks……frail. Almost like he’ll govern in the middle somewhat but……very slowly.

      Trump looked – strong, pumped, energized, aggressive, not-taking-shit-from-anyone – all the things his base actually likes about him. Was he “chaotic” or “off-the-rails”? Sure! But I read it as – maybe he thinks this debate thing is just grandstanding bullshit – pompous asses who talk a good game then never produce results? He didn’t just attack Biden – he attacked the ginned up debate process. To me – no shock there. Was anyone expecting a “debate club” moment?

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Amphetimenes!

        • I could not see his eyes well enough to be sure, but I did have the impression that his pupils were dilated. I watched his blink rate. When not talking, his (Biden) blink rate appeared normal. When talking it was elevated.

      • Nope…which is why I did not watch it. I know whom I am voting for and it would not matter what was said last night. I borrow the analogy of our resident lefty…Mathius…who says he would vote for a serial killer if he agreed with him over someone else. And, given his (mathius) vitriol against Trump, he would vote for Fidel Castro over Trump and that is the way that I feel about the left side of the equation. So…..why watch?

        My son listened to some of it and called me and said it reminded him of two drunk uncles arguing in the front room.

        • I know whom I am voting for

          A for effort.

          “I know for whom I am voting.”

          😛

          I know whom I am voting for and it would not matter what was said last night.

          Curious…. given what you say… is there ANYTHING Trump could say or do between here and November that would cost him your support?

          Or, conversely, win Biden your support?

          Anything in the realm of plausible reality?

          And, given his (mathius) vitriol against Trump, he would vote for Fidel Castro over Trump

          Isn’t Fidel dead?

          I’d certainly vote for the corpse of Fidel over Trump.

          Live Fidel….. ehhhh… I’d have to think that over..

          So…..why watch?

          Well, I was hoping (not expecting) for anything substantive or enlightening. Barring that, I was hoping for something entertaining or, even better, that I could rub y’all’s noses in. But what I got… well… it was more like watching a pair of geriatric kindergarteners bickering for an hour and a half while the substitute teacher (who they both knew didn’t have the power to do anything) tried and failed to restore order. It wasn’t even morbid curiosity, like watching a slow-motion train wreck. Honestly, I have no idea I didn’t turn it off after a few minutes. I won’t be making that mistake again.

          • … is there ANYTHING Trump could say or do between here and November that would cost him your support?

            I know I’m not The Colonel, but I will chime in with my answer.

            Big fat NO. After the antics of the left over the last four years, President Trump could literally shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and I would still vote for him.

            In fact, fuck the left. I will never vote for another democrat again. Ever.

            I will be voting straight Republican ticket this time. I don’t even have to know WHO is running.

            • Ray Hawkins says:

              Rick – interesting response….sorta a “throw in the towel” approach? The red grass is the sheep pasture tastes the same as the blue grass in the same pasture me thinks.

  28. U.S.—Many were looking forward to the presidential debate tonight, hoping to thoughtfully consider each candidate’s position so they could make a wise, informed decision about who to vote for in this year’s election.

    But it looks like that won’t be happening, as debate organizers accidentally picked up a signal from some kind of nursing home where two angry old men were just shouting at each other for 90 minutes.

    “The signal must have gotten crossed with some kind of live stream of an old folks’ home,” said one technician. “They were shouting about money and politics and viruses and all kinds of stuff. I know you were all really interested in hearing the candidates tonight. Sorry about that.”

  29. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    OK I am sure everybody is eagerly awaiting my “Take”.

    1. If Guilliani and Christie were Trump’s debate coaches …. FIRE THEM.

    2. Biden out BOMBASTS Trump 2 to 1

    3. Biden out “SMUGS” Trump 3 to 1.

    4. Biden out LIES Trump 4 to 1.

    5. Biden is a crazy old man.

    Someone should come up with Biden’s grammar and High School classmates. I’m pretty sure he was either a schoolyard bully or a wannabe bully who routinely got his ass handed to him. C’mon man!

    Now, full disclosure. I watched less than 15 minutes. Just could not handle the outright lies delivered rapidly and high volume. When Biden said, Trump’s “recession”, Trump has not reduced drug prices and most importantly, that when he, Biden, when in charge of renewable energy brought it down below the cost of oil, gas or coal. THAT I know about. Unless oil goes to $ 200 a barrel it ain’t never going to be competitive. And, with the new technologies it never will go above $ 60.00 a barrel. Could NOT take it much longer.

    Advice for next time. Trump should be Trump. List his accomplishments, list his plans for the next four years and let Biden hang himself.

    NOTE TO COLONEL ——– Please correct me if I am wrong about the oil gas vs. renewable numbers.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:
    • You are not wrong about the energy costs. Even with all the subsidies, renewables are twice the cost of gas and coal. Without the subsidies, they are closer to 3-4x. Subsidies and tax breaks are applied at all levels, from manufacturing, to purchase, installation and production, not to mention the state mandates that utilities use a certain percentage of renewables. Often not mentioned and never included in the computations is the hot rotating reserves required to fill the void when the renewables are unavailable.

      Biden also talked about converting the federal fleet of cars to electric and installing 500K charging stations. He did not mention the added generating capacity this would require. The same goes for Gov. Newsom’s 2035 electric car EO. We had rolling blackouts this summer. If they want to charge a few million more cars, they need much more generating capacity and probably a grid upgrade to handle the current.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        If you look above, you will see that NY State ‘s biggest problem and the source of it becoming almost eternally “blue” was the mischief created when the Supremes took away all power from the smaller communities (and cities like Rochester, Troy, Albany, Syracuse, Buffalo) by dictating both houses of the state legislature must be apportioned one man one vote rather than having each county represented (as the United States are). For the life of me, if the Country can dictate an upper house I cannot see why in a union of states, the states constituions are not allowed to follow suite.

        In many ways a self fulfilling prophecy. As the upstate communities lost political clout, they lost population leading to even less clout. On the energy front. Cuomo the elder used his power to doom Nuke energy by shutting down and physically destroying an almost complete nuke plant Shorham and Junior promising that no way, no how would NY State ever allow fracking despite the fact that it shares almost 50-50 with Pennsylvania the Marcellus deposits. This of course would have revitalized the center and North west of NY State. The upstete people support it, teh downstate people, not effected in ANY way, oppose it based on bad science.

        I assume California’s decline into a den of blueness started at about the same time as NY’s.

    • You are not wrong…..we estimate that the renewable energy program, the way it is written right now, will be the equivalent of $192 per barrel oil.

      And, what they do not realize, it still takes petroleum products to run the windmills and the mechanisms…….

  30. Biden- Violence is always wrong.
    Wallace- Did you contact anyone in Portland or Seattle and tell them to stop the violence?
    Biden- I don’t currently hold a public office.

    A little later, Biden- I Am the Democrat Party!

    • Biden: I AM the Democratic Party!

      or

    • This hits on what I got from the debate. Trump isolated Biden from the radicals. Biden lied about his support of Green New Deal. Every D candidate raised their hand in support of GND in their debate. Trump said he had LE endorsement…Biden: Me too…Trump: Name one! Biden: Antifa is just an idea…that’s not going to make the radicals happy. Trump got him on the super predators comment. Got him on the stupid bastards military comment. Biden said he didnt say that. Like Trump said…Biden just lost all the Bernie Bros.

      Now who’s presidential? Biden called trump a clown twice, a fool, and told him to shut up twice. And Chris Wallace is definitely not his father.

      • Biden just lost all the Bernie Bros.

        Biden never HAD the Bernie Bros.

        But they’re still going to vote for him because they learned what happens when they stayed home in 2016.

        Again, I think you miss the mark here. You suppose there’s any SUPPORT for Biden. There really isn’t. I’ve never met a single person who is actually enthusiastic to vote for Biden. Not one. I’m sure those people exist, but in all my wanderings and all my liberal circles, I’ve never seen even ONE.

        Almost no one is voting FOR Biden. The left, the Democrats, the assorted liberals, Antifa, BLM, the Bernie Bros, and more… along with the never Trumpers and the Lincoln Republicans and the Log Cabin Republicans…. they’re all voting AGAINST Trump.

        Biden can’t “lose” them since he doesn’t have them. He would have to show them that he’s “just as bad as Trump” and, while that may have worked in 2016, I don’t think it’ll work again in 2020.

        —————

        Disclaimer: Mathius still predicts a small Trump win in the EC while losing the popular vote “bigly.” Mathius predicts high turnout “for” Biden, but “yuge” turnout for Trump. He believes Trump’s base is as riled up as humanly possible.

        • Probably a wash between the Never Trumpers, Lincoln Project, etc., vs the Blacks/Hispanics for Trump and the Walkaways.

    • Trump missed a lot of opportunities. The the divisiveness issue, I would have hit the Ds hard for being the party of division. Obama could have stopped the BLM movement at the beginning by disavowing the hands up don’t shoot lie. The Dems are the party of division. They are the ones to see everyone as a hyphenated American and to divide on racial, ethnic, sex, and orientation lines. They are the ones that call any black conservative an Uncle Tom, they are ones who denigrate conservative suburban housewives and say they vote how their husbands tell them to, they are ones who called Judge Barrett a white colonizer for adopting Haitian children, they are the ones who put illegal immigrants ahead of native born citizens, they are the ones who refuse to condemn and control the race riots in our cities that they control. Until the polls showed a negative impact, they called the rioters peaceful protesters. No Republicans are not the cause of this divisiveness. That is another Democrat and media lie.

      • Another debate is scheduled. That’s where Trump can fill in those missed opportunities. Show the contrast between his accomplishments and their divisiveness, show the violence and the coup are all connected, and show the difference between the next four years of prosperity vs Green New Deal.

        • Show the contrast between his accomplishments and their divisiveness

          I keep seeing things like this… I get that y’all view the left/Democrats/liberals/Biden/etc as divisive… but do you NOT see that Trump is divisive?

          • JAC's Daughter says:

            I don’t think he’s divisive in the same ways, but what ways do you think he is?

            • Trump is divisive in the way that he does not agree with the left. That makes him divisive in their view. I would be interested to see a couple of Mathius’ points as well. I think Trump is considered divisive in that he does not take shit from anyone. He calls a spade a spade ( no, Mathius, that is not a racist undertone ). He calls out our allies when they are wrong and that is considered divisive. He calls out China and that is considered divisive…especially by Biden.

            • I think there’s plenty of examples of him relentlessly and openly attacking “the left,” “liberals,” and “Democrats.”

              He is openly at war with the left.

              But for a lighthearted example:

              https://www.donaldjtrump.com/landing/2020-trump-vs-dem-poll

              • Trump’s attacks are mostly at individuals who have attacked him or who are his political rivals. He has not to my knowledge issued a general “deplorables” statement condemning all Democrats. Why would he, he wants their votes. He has called BLM and Antifa, socialists and Marxists, which has been documented. However, I do not recall him labeling large blocks of people as racists, xenophobes, sexists, homophobes, Nazis, Fascists, etc. That is a tactic of the left.

                Mathius, listen to the people who have attended Trump rallies and then had to walk through the counter demonstration crowds outside. The hate is coming from the left. These are the people you continue to support hence tacitly agree with. God forbid they ever gain power.

              • Joe Biden says he wants to beat up the President.

                Robert De Niro says he wants to punch Trump in the face

                Maxine Waters says you should get in Republicans faces when
                they are in public places. Maxine says, “I will take Trump out
                TONIGHT.”

                Jimmy Kimmel and other late night host joke about
                assassinating the President.

                Snoop Dog makes a video of assassinating the President.

                Kathy Griffin poses with a severed bloody head of the
                President.

                Johnny Depp talks about an actor assassinating the
                President.

                Tom Arnold says: “Don’t get too c…. traitor, they showed
                up for JFK too”

                Madonna talks about wanting to blow up the White House.

                Scalise gets shot and almost killed

                Gaetz is threatened by someone who warned that he will blow
                the senator’s head off

                ANTIFA routinely attacks and injuries conservatives.

                Hollywood makes a movie about killing Trump supporters

                Tucker Carlson has left wing activists at his home
                threatening to burn his house down with wife kids inside.

                AOC rails against “concentration camps at the border”, a
                follower attacks an ICE facility repeating that language as does the Dayton OH
                shooter

                McConnell is threatened by left wing activists at his home
                to be stabbed in the heart

                Dem professor Turley is threatened simply for his opinion
                opposing impeachment

                Yet, the Socialist Democrats, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC,
                TDIP,

                Media Matters, and the DNC say “Trump is inciting
                violence”

              • BOOM! I like your comment above better, but you’re on a roll today

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            Trump is DIVISIVE because the differences in the country which started surfacing in the 1960’s during Viet-nam have now come to the point of no return. Either you “go with the flow” or you take a stand. For years people have been urging that we take a stand and it has not been done. Trump does not threaten it but has done it. You say you want constructionist judges or “prefer” them. That is the biggest threat to the modern left that there can be.

            Thirty years back the poeple of NYC took a chance that the city’s decline could be reversed. They quietly voted for Rudy Guiliani who nobody would probably want to share a beer and pretzels with. So, in an ungovernable city …. he governed. Older NY residents probably saw Fiorello La Guardia in him. Another guy you would not want to share a beer with. Another tireless self promoter. Fiorello, like Rudy, Mayor, Police Commissioner, Fire Commissioner, Sanitation Commissioner all wrapped up into one.

            Now to this day democrats said it was going to happen anyway, that they started the rennisiance. But the facts are, once the lessons learned were forgotten, the city started the return to decline it sees now. I could easily point out three cities off the top of my head that did not have a Rudy, Chicago, Philadelphia and Baltimore. All three had resurgences in the financial sector and increasing wealth in the upscale neighborhoods but NOTHING happened in the poor working class neighborhoods unlike NY City which saw the South Bronx, Harlem and Central Brooklyn actually rebuilt.

            So, the Donald is the United States answer to Rudy Guilliani’s New York of the 1990’s.

  31. Rick,

    President Trump could literally shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and I would still vote for him. In fact, fuck the left. I will never vote for another democrat again. Ever.

    Thoughts on this?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Eisenhower negotiated with other generals and politicians and supervised organizing an invasion.

      Patton FOUGHT the war and kicked Nazi backsides.

      When you are in a FIGHT you need Patton. When you are regrouping or rebuilding you need Eisenhower….. Reagan.

      • When you are in a FIGHT you need Patton. When you are regrouping or rebuilding you need Eisenhower….. Reagan.

        And when you’re teetering on the brink of a fight…. who do you want?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Well since “teetering” is long past I will take Patton for now.

          If you were truly on the brink and not simply in or out, without realizing it, I would say you need both. Or better yet…..Marine Recon or Seal Team 6. Peace through strength.

          • Well since “teetering” is long past I will take Patton for now.

            I think “teetering” still applies.

            Sure, Trump has had troops break up peaceful protests and whatnot, but I don’t think there’s an all-out war going on… yet.

            It feels, I imagine, much how the early 1770’s or late 1850’s would have felt… a bit like a powder keg just waiting to go off. We’re not quite there, but we’re not that far off from where the shooting starts unless someone starts walking things back reaaal soon.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              When you start using phrases like that you are in a war and just haven’t recognized it yet.

              The current war began long ago. Many are just now realizing it.

              Your comparisons are appropriate. The factors historians now use should be “it was already to late”.

          • How about one Colonel and his raptors?

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        I believe that Both Eisenhowe and JFK “Invaded” places in the US. Thatwas with REAL troops not US Marshalls or Federal Police.

    • Just a little bit of history here, but the KKK are Crats, not Trumpers. That really don’t matter as the KKK are no longer relevant anymore. Even the Aryan Nation isn’t heard from.

      I’m not sure who the kooks in Charlottesville were, but I would tend to associate WS’s with the Nazi Flag.

    • My thoughts? More liberal loon projection.

  32. Thoughts on this

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Its the juxtaposition of the sweaty seething orange guy twit-screaming Law and Order but only if those laws (ordinances) follow his confused narrative. Exactly which laws are we to follow/support?

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I think that guy stole my quote: “We are so screwed”.

      • “That’s why I was staying home”… Jesus what a fuckwit.

        Look, deniers are one thing.. people who don’t know they have it or don’t think they have it… etc… but to have an active diagnosis and then throw a house party…?

        How is this not something like reckless endangerment? Isn’t there lots precedent from the AIDS courts for convicting people for wantonly infecting other people?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          What I found odd and disturbing was that the cop had the info on his diagnosis. The public here, even via the media, has been unsuccessful at getting any information on those infected. Even the info that would help reduce exposure. Like X was known to have been at the Home Depot, DQ and Wendy’s over the past two weeks. That kind of stuff.

          As for the kid and his friends. I am wondering if they knew he was diagnosed. I also wonder if there was any “tracing” done of those who attended the gathering.

          The Aids cases you are remembering involved deliberately passing the disease knowing it was almost certainly fatal at that time. So this is not exactly the same. Especially if his friends knew.

          Also, one can test positive and no longer be contagious. I suspect he is not in that group since he admits he is under quarantine.

        • WOW……I have no words for this clown…..wait, can’t use that…Biden says Trump is a clown…sooooooo Lets call him a progressive.

    • My thoughts are that young people are not too bright these days.

      • My thoughts are that young people are not too bright these days

        These days?

        Were kids smart when you were younger?

        Or was it just so long ago that Darwin sorted it out before anyone hit their 20’s?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          We were absolutely SMARTER when I was a teen than these kids today.

          Just ask anyone over 65 and they will tell you.

          • It was probably due to all the time you spent walking to school uphill – both ways – through six feet of snow, even in June. Toughened you up.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              By the time I was a teen the snow was not as deep as when I was in grade school. Must have been early global warming. But since you don’t seem to know, yes it can snow in the high desert in June. In fact, my last baseball game as a Senior was played in a snow storm with high winds. We had to finish the game which, after the first inning, consisted of a bunt-a -thon and ended in a 4-3 loss. No aluminum bats in those days so you don’t swing away when the wind chill is at or below freezing.

              In fact my walk to the bus,, which was 2 Miles one way, involved going up and then down a hill. So I did in fact walk uphill both directions, as I also walked downhill both directions each day.

              • I saw snowfall (as opposed to snow on the ground) for the first time in college.

                And let me tell you… it was a TRIP.

                For someone who’d never seen such a thing.. watching snow falling at that bizarrely slow speed all around you… it’s a weird feeling.

                I mean.. I’d seen it in film and tv and whatnot… but in real life.. just crazy.

        • Yes…I was much smarter than my dad when I was 16…….I am amazed at how much smarter he got when he got older.

  33. I was thinking about the White Supremacy stuff last night and the Proud Boys was mentioned. I don’t know much about them, so I looked them up. Here is what they claim to believe: https://proudboysusa.com/tenets/

    Core Values Of The Proud Boys
    Minimal Government
    Maximum Freedom
    Anti-Political Correctness
    Anti-Drug War
    Closed Borders
    Anti-Racial Guilt
    Anti-Racism
    Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment)
    Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment)
    Glorifying the Entrepreneur
    Venerating the Housewife
    Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism

    Maybe JAC and his daughter can chime in for some better clarity. But based on their websites, they don’t fit the WS narrative.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      I do know that pictures of their visit to Portland last week showed several African Americans among their membership.

      They do have a habit of going to Portland to antagonize the left wing loons. And each time the Governor and Mayor “denigrate” them but not the left wing loons who are actually doing violence. Note here that to my knowledge the only ones to claim them a “hate group” is the Southern Poverty Law Center.

      I get the feeling the Proud Boys are not just some warm and fuzzy Tea Party type group. The Prayer group who had the member murdered a few weeks back is pretty benign. They are not some radical right wing bunch of militants.

    • Don’t know much about them either, but I read a comment on Reddit a while back that the commenter was surprised they declined his membership request. He mentioned his core values lined up with theirs, and that his marital status was single with small child. A response from another commenter was that it was the small child what was the deal breaker…that if SHTF, he would be less eager to put his life on the line because he had a child to worry about. Red flags went up all over the place for me then.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Gman

      Forgot. The Proud Boys is a men only group. I also understand they went to Charlottsville for the demonstration against taking down statues. Now for a comment made on The Hill this AM.

      “Trump’s comments about the Proud Boys, a far-right militia group, dominated headlines the morning after the debate.”

      I have seen nothing to indicate this group is “militia” in any sense. But maybe some of their members think they are……who knows. But then the whole “militia” thing is so distorted anymore that it has become meaningless except as a DOG WHISTLE for the left.

      Now I did see this morning some comments by Proud Boys leaders claiming they are “standing by” as Mr. Trump ordered last night. They are ready and willing to go deal with the leftwing loons if given the order. This indicates a militancy in their leadership, or maybe just macho posturing.

      The sad part is that they are doing the same thing as the MSM this morning. Taking the “stand by” comment completely out of context. Ignoring everything Mr. Trump has said on this subject to date. But to be fair, he gave them this opening. First rule of debate, never give the other side a talking point or meme to use against you.

      • Now I did see this morning some comments by Proud Boys leaders claiming they are “standing by” as Mr. Trump ordered last night. They are ready and willing to go deal with the leftwing loons if given the order. This indicates a militancy in their leadership, or maybe just macho posturing.

        And if Trump “gives that order,” and the Proud Boys… “go deal” with the so-called leftwing loons… do you see a problem with this?

        The sad part is that they are doing the same thing as the MSM this morning. Taking the “stand by” comment completely out of context.

        You hear some particular context in what Trump says. But the Proud Boys heard something else.

        You say you are right and they say they are right.

        I – and many others – think this is deliberate. That Trump intends this miscommunication and deniability. We call this a dog whistle.

        You may say he’s been misconstrued, and that may be, but THEY heard what THEY heard. So how can you assert with such surety that Trump DIDN’T intend for them to hear it that way?

        • Just A Citizen says:

          Mathius

          Yes I would see a problem with him asking them to deal with it, but he has not and I doubt very much he ever would. He has said on several occassions, as have his people, that these groups need to stand down, get out of the way, etc, and let law enforcement deal with it.

          As for what they heard, just opportunistic on their part. Had he used stand down instead of stand by I expect they would have released the same comments. Just because these groups play into your perceptions doesn’t mean that POTUS is actually playing into them.

          I can say it was not his intent based on his body of comments on the subjects. Just as his denouncing white nationalists and whiter supremacists and neo-nazis in the past. I take those words for what they are. Your effort to uncover dog whistles requires to many mental gymnastics. The simpler version is readily available, if you choose to look for it.

          • The simpler version is readily available, if you choose to look for it.

            That the noises emanating from his face-hole have no meaning in empirical reality?

            Yup… I guess I’ll have to agree with you there!

        • And if Trump “gives that order,” and the Proud Boys… “go deal” with the so-called leftwing loons… do you see a problem with this? Yep…but would not change my mind using your analogy.

          You may say he’s been misconstrued, and that may be, but THEY heard what THEY heard. So how can you assert with such surety that Trump DIDN’T intend for them to hear it that way? Doesn’t matter. The Mathius analogy still works.

    • Core Values Of The Proud Boys

      Minimal Government – Eh… I guess… depends on how it’s framed. If it’s minimal “stuff we don’t like” but still “lots of oppression for YOU,” then count me out… but I’m listening.

      Maximum Freedom – I mean… ok. Yes. Sure… sounds like an empty platitude, but ok, I’m on board with this.

      Anti-Political Correctness – Oh, fuck off.

      Anti-Drug War – Hells, yea!

      Closed Borders – Oh, fuck off.

      Anti-Racial Guilt – What in the hell does this mean? I don’t feel any kind of guilt. I don’t think anyone sane is arguing that you should feel some kind of “racial guilt.” Is this just code for “we should ignore that problems exist?

      Anti-Racism – Sounds good.

      Pro-Free Speech (1st Amendment) – Sounds good.

      Pro-Gun Rights (2nd Amendment) – Resounding “meh” from me.

      Glorifying the Entrepreneur – Nah. No need to “glorify” people.

      Venerating the Housewife – Umm… what?

      Reinstating a Spirit of Western Chauvinism – I mean, chauvinism definitionally means bias and the denigration of the Other. Sounds bad to me.

      —————-

      As is so often the case, the statement is one thing. But the proof of “who they are” is in the pudding. I would be willing to bet that the KKK had a remarkably similar set of “core values.” Maybe not the “anti-racist” bit.. but there’s a great deal of overlap. So is are they the same? Is this the “new Klan”? Well, probably not – the implementation is what matters.

      • My point about the Proud Boys was they are not a WS group and aren’t even close to a militia (see the 3%ers). Yet, based on that debunked lie from Charllotsville the question popped up. WE are not having any problems with these groups right now, the problems are 100% Antifa and BLM. But of course, Antifa is just an idea, one that hits people, destroys building and commits arson. Thats a magical damn idea!

      • Trump just said he don’t even know who the Proud Boys are. The left sure don’t either. At least now we all know something about them.

  34. Mathius,

    I thought the condescension was obvious. It’s when your opponent is speaking and you, usually when you don’t have a real response, stands there and looks down, shakes their head, signs loudly, laughs, and mumbles under their breath.

  35. Canine Weapon says:

    Hey, I’m just a stupid dog, but can someone explain this to me?

    https://i.imgur.com/PMLWJNL.jpeg

    • No explanation is necessary…..if he actually did say it…..and it is blurted out on TV…..self preservation says to deny it.

      • I like how your thought process is:

        A) He didn’t say it
        B) But if he did, it must have been true
        C) And if it conflicts with what the other guy says, then the other guy is lying
        D) And if the other guy is lying, it’s because the left is so terrible he has to deny it for “self-preservation”

        If you were Gman, I would assume you were being serious, but since you’re you, I’ll assume this response was tongue-in-cheek.

        • Yup, Trump said it. The problem is that Portland don’t have a Sheriff. Maybe he was thinking of the Police Chief who reigned????

          • The problem is that Portland don’t have a Sheriff.

            Sure it does.

            You see, Portland is part of Multnomah County (that was news to me!), and Multnomah County does have a sheriff. That sheriff is the sheriff of Portland by distributive property.

            And that guy doesn’t support Trump.

            But that didn’t stop Trump from going on TV and claiming he did.

            The problem is that Portland don’t have a Sheriff.

            Oooh.. I have something for this… hold on! Lemme find it… AH! Here we go…

          • I’ll have to go with #4. He just named the wrong sheriff. The sheriff in Kenosha just recently endorsed him. People can make a mistake without in being an intentional lie.

  36. Canine Weapon says:

    • Lucky Donald……..wonder why, tho, if she hates the man…..why watch him? It cannot be to watch Joe Biden…

      • Lucky Donald……..

        Really? I find her very unattractive.

        wonder why, tho, if she hates the man…..why watch him?

        There was a Twitter trend for a bunch of minor celebrities and/or writers of “that was the worst thing I’ve ever seen and..”

        It’s actually pretty funny and some of them are amazing “That was the worst thing I’ve ever seen and I wrote the script for Sharknado.” That kind of thing.

        I think this one was (probably) a fake one (I haven’t bothered to check because I don’t actually give a shit), but it was too good to pass up.

  37. Canine Weapon says:

  38. Canine Weapon says:

    • Wow. I have watched a LOT of walkaway videos, but usually the longer ones ramble a lot and are not as articulate as this lady. It was quite long but I couldn’t stop listening to her story. Worth every minute, she keeps hitting the nail on the head as she describes her thought processes.

      I would be very interested in your thoughts on this, Mathius. And if you take the challenge, so to speak, please watch all of it, not just bits and pieces. I really would love your honest assessment of this.

      Murf

      • I’ve never heard the term “walkaway video” before… we’re starting the “learn something new every day” early today, I guess.

        Ahh… ok, so… Georgia, who lives in LA, who is a young, pretty (photogenic), articulate white woman, who was a teacher and a nurse, and was a former life-long Democrat is on camera explaining for 47 minutes in her upper-middle-class kitchen in a well-produced video explaining why she’s “walking away” from the racism and marxism of the Democratic party.

        Did I get all that right? Boy, we seem to be hitting all the high-points (plus a conspicuously clean kitchen that my wife would love!)

        Do I think she’s a Russian bot or an RNC shill? No.

        Do I think she’s NOT a Russian bot or an RNC shill? Also no.

        Look, I’ll tell you upfront that I’m not going to watch 47 minutes of this random woman beaming pathos into the camera. I’m just not.

        Maybe she’s legit, and maybe she makes a good point, but I’ve got too else going on for that.

        I will SKIM the video and share my thoughts, such as they are. Or if there are any particular parts you want me to see, I’ll do that.

        But I do want to be clear – and I know you know this – I (mostly) vote for the Democrats because I consider them the lesser of two evils. I do not think the Democratic Party is “good” in any objective way – just that the Republican Party is worse. I’m sure I could put out a 47-minute video on why I consider the Democratic Party to be a steaming shit-pile, too, but that doesn’t mean I would want to go over to Red Team or drink the Trump-Koolaid.

        ——-

        Alright… off to see what we see…

      • 2min: Talking about the narrative she was given of good (blue) vs bad (red) being emotionally resonant is generally accurate. I grew up in LA, and it was well understood that Republicans are the “bad guys” and, yes, nobody wants to be on the wrong side. I would only add that I’m almost positive that “liberals” and “Democrats” etc are viewed as the “bad guys” in Republican strongholds, too. Certainly many here are very clear and vocal that “the left” is anti-American or evil or blah-blah-blah.

        4min: Talking about “woke”ness and things like microagressions and such. I will agree that these are generally bullshit.

        4min: “It felt like we were being coached to take offense at a lot of little things.” Hmm… I’ve never had this kind of experience. More coaching.. .something something.. .”generational grievances”.. I’ve never seen or experienced any of this.

        5: “If you’re white like me, everyone kind of dumps on your race all the time.” I always hear this kind of thing, but I have never – ever – felt this way. Everyone gets crapped on here and there. Sure, no one should be given a hard time for being white, but if you think we crackers have it bad, you should try being not-white in America. I think it was Chris Rock who said something along the lines of “there isn’t a white man in this room that would trade places with me.. and I’m rich!”

        ::just curious why she has a headphone in when she’s giving a 47-minute monologue::

        8: I’ve forgotten what organization she joined, but it sounds like she accidentally joined a black-supremacy cult. Again, this is nothing akin to MY experience. It does feel oddly similar to my experience working at a particularly batshit crazy hedge fund, though.

        9: Yea, I’m going to go ahead and opine that this is scripted by someone aligned with the Republicans. Someone smart and careful. But yea… she’s hitting every single buzzword and term. White guilt and microaggressions and cognitive dissonance and shame and feeling bad for having questions and no-go topics and you couldn’t mention X or Y and intellectual gate-keeping and SJW and victimhood and this kind of oppressive cult-like thought policing. It’s just so perfect. I’ve been running in left-leaning circles my entire life. I’ve been to two DNC Conventions. My family is close friends with several left/Democratic politicians including state senators and at least two federal judges. I went to a school where the Young Republicans couldn’t establish a campus group because they couldn’t gather the minimum number of members. I went to a liberal arts college that nearly rioted when Rick Santorum was given a speaking engagement. I have never seen ANY of this. What this woman is describing is so at odds with my experience of the pervasive culture of lefty-society that I am left to wonder whether she just ran in some particularly crazy circles or is just telling the story the way the right imagines it to be. I imagine hiring some Southern Belle to talk about the racism and hate of the Republican Party – it would probably ring just as hollow to people on the other side. She presents well, but this is just…. fantasy.

        11. “Victim-mentality has no place in our classroom.” Talking points 101. As you may know, I married a teacher. And she is a conservative. She really disliked Obama and grates – aggressively – at exactly that kind of thing. And we live in a very liberal district. And yet, somehow, I have never heard her complaining about this kind of thing. She also used to teach at a charity school for underprivileged (predominately black) children – and yet, she didn’t seem to have any kinds of “victimhood mentality” related issues there, either.

        ::what’s throwing me here is that she keeps talking about “they” and “them.” They said, they taught, they wouldn’t let you, they wanted you to….. but who the hell is “they”? I keep hearing her pointing this finger at some nebulous “them” who is pushing all these terrible evil controlling agendas… and yet, who? Her boss? Her co-workers? He friends? Who? where is all this coming from? Who is punish these thought criminals and how?::

        13. There is a certain type of person for whom “fighting racism” becomes part of their identity.. TRUE. The problem is that, for this person, they become very threatened by the idea of it being resolved and they may even engage in sabotage behavior… Bullshit. That’s like saying a hardcore environmentalist would be threatened by the idea of limiting pollution. It’s like saying an anti-tax conservative would advocate for more taxes just so he’d have something to fight against. I’m sure it’s true of someone, but it’s hardly the rule.

        13. A lot of this “woke ideology is a sabotage effort”… so all these people who are just trying to do the right thing are actually trying to do the wrong thing so that they can keep claiming to be trying to do the right thing?

        —————–

        Ok, that’s enough for me…

        Look, I get it… she’s not without points… but I think this is propaganda.

        Carefully crafted… WELL crafted… but propaganda nonetheless.

        Someone – maybe even Georgia, herself – took time and care to not overplay the hand and build this narrative in a way that isn’t immediately rejected, and to inject enough truth and (albeit half-hearted) nods to the veracity of the concerns of the left. (“oh, yes, that’s not to say racism isn’t a real problem (half-hearted nod)… it’s just that it’s not as bad as it was 50 years ago (true).. and THEY won’t let you say that (malevolence).”) It’s a very neat recipe.

        Her relentless vague pointing at ethereal forces controlling and manipulating and the idea of the well-intentioned actually being malevolent… and hitting every single talking point…. naw.

        This is so far removed from my experience.

        I would say, if she lived in San Francisco.. maybe Marin.. or some extreme bastion of the far, far, far-left… I couldn’t say. Maybe this is the reality there. But I’m from LA and I ran in many of these same circles and more extreme and I run in them now in New York…and my wife is a conservative teacher who would tell me if she felt this way.. and it’s just not that way.

        What she describes is a fantasy.

        Have I known and seen people who are as insane or indoctrinated as she describes? You Betcha! I had one girl threaten to gouge my eye out because I held the door for her (take that, patriarchy!). So these people do exist. And they are not created in a vacuum – they must have their echo chambers and support mechanisms and feedback loops. These things must exist and, if George isn’t a shill, then she found herself within one of these lunatic asylums. But this is just not the reality of “the left” that I know.

        —————–

        One more thing to add. Having watched about 15 minutes now… everything I’ve heard has been perceptions and culture war and leftist culture is bad and such. And, of course, the malevolent all-powerful THEM. But I have not heard a single refutation of anything SOLID nor a single reason why – even if this culture is so toxic, why “conservative” is the right answer. Perhaps that’s all later on in the video?

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