Protests Planned in Georgia

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  1. Time for a new thread.

    • A) Were you expecting honesty from a politician?

      B) What does “independently certified” even mean?

      C) Antia, my dear, you know I love you. And I mean this with all the kindness I can possibly muster up. You, and every other Trump supporter, have lost the right to ever complain ever again about a politician lying. I suffered through four years of CONSTANT absolute bullshit – a veritable firehose of lying and gaslighting. And at every turn, his supporters defended his lies and refused to see anything wrong with them and twisted themselves into pretzels to find contorted logic wherein they were true. I attempted, many times, to get people here to just admit that he’s a liar, and it was like nailing jello to the wall. You do not get to hold such flagrantly biased double-standards where your guy can lie his ass off with impunity but “my guy” gets held to his every utterance.

      D) Notwithstanding the above (C), I’ll complain on your behalf. This was a compound question and, while there might be some wiggle room that he was responding to the first half (which is a kept promise), I find that he was – at best – unclear. I further am unclear what “independently certified” means (B) and, as such have to shrug a bit. I am going to give him a warning and a stern look.

      E) All that said, I do not approve of Joe Biden lying any more than Donald Trump. I expect a certain amount of lying from everyone and in particular from politicians. But I do not excuse it. Biden has and will lie – and will do so more offensively and more egregiously and more objectively than this. And to those, as well as any petty bullshit lies, I object strenuously.

      • Like a moth to a flame, I just can’t resist responding to this nonsense. Your emotional responses to DJT’s lies are diametrically opposed your response to Biden’s and Obama’s lies over the last 12 years. I get you do not like braggarts which is what Trump is. But his bragging is far less damaging than the out right lies told by Biden, Obama, other powerful democrats and the MSM about the business of the the country and about Trump. For a person with your vaunted intellect to be so emotional about this one topic is not logical and telling of your character. (You lose the Spock Award.) We started this conversation 4 yrs ago immediately after the inaugural when you said he lied about the crowd size. I pointed out this was in response to the misleading (lies) photographs published but he MSM. I gave you my analysis of those photos which was spot on but you would not accept the logic because of your blind hatred. It continues to this day. The lies told about Trump exceed Trump’s lies by 100 fold. But nary a word about those from you.

        As for “independently certified” I and probably the rest of the country assumed that he meant certified by the respective SoSs of each state. Where the SoS can not certify, it is up to the legislature to certify. Were this a clean election with an obvious landslide for Biden, I am quite sure that Trump would have conceded and we would not be having this conversation. It is not a clean election. I have posted multiple statistical analyses that point to significant election fraud. Trump is right to contest the election for no other reason than to bring the corruption out into the open. He is being thwarted by the democrat machine, the MSM, the globalist, the tech giants, etc. We all want fair elections. Without them the country fails. But your side is willing to take us down that path.

        Did you watch the last video I posted? It shows clearly that something is amiss. Did you pick up on the fact that they still are using the Diebold software with the floating point (real number) vote count instead of integer arithmetic which would be the correct way to represent votes. The software includes a weighting factor which is a way of shifting factional votes from one candidate to the other. These software “features” can only be present for nefarious means. Please do not give me the argument like you did last time that there is no issue with floating point notation. I have been programming since before you were born. I never have represented a quantum number using floating point notation.

        • As for “independently certified” I and probably the rest of the country assumed that he meant certified by the respective SoSs of each state.

          This is what I assumed it meant. You’ll note, however, that the article I linked to was written a month ago by (looks at notes) “not Mathius.” So your assumption and my assumption was not universally shared.

          My point here isn’t that he wasn’t lying. But rather the sheer magnitude of the hypocrisy and double-standards that have already started. The goddamn CHUTZPAH of it all.

          Trump could say literally anything and you and his other supporters would find a way to excuse it, minimize it, and accuse me of being the bad actor for calling him out on it. Big or small, or in blatant and obvious open defiance of logic and objective reality.

          Yet here we have Biden making a promise to do… something that doesn’t actually have a defined meaning… and Anita is accusing him of breaking a promise based on what you and I “ASSUMED” he meant.

          It’s not that he was telling the truth or lying – it’s the double-standard. Trump lies and you find a way to write it off. Biden maybe lies and NNNOOOOOWWWWW we suddenly become allergic to even the tiniest bit dishonesty.

          But where the everliving fuck was that allergy over the last four years?

          No, sir! I will not sit here and listen to people gripe about every typical-politician lie after four years of complicit silence when it was “your guy” firehosing the country with lie after lie.

          ——-

          Likewise, the only person here I want to hear saying a peep about the debt is JAC. The rest of y’all kicked and screamed for 8 years, then went radio silent for 4 on the matter, and if you suddenly “remember” it now – the obvious interpretation is that you only care because it’s a Democrat in office.

          • Listen here, sonny! The ONLY reason I posted that tweet was to rile you up. Like… as in FUN….BECAUSE of the way you moaned about Trump all this time. But you had to go and get THAT salty? You went all Chutzpah on me? Dude, relax! It was FUN til you got all bent out of shape. No, its still fun. But T-Ray spells it out pretty well for the serious side. Live with it. 🙂

      • You, and every other Trump supporter, have lost the right to ever complain ever again about a politician lying.

        Sorry to inform you young man, but you don’t decide who have Rights and don’t. This is one HUUUUGE reason why we are against Liberals as much as we are. One day Young Guppy, you will learn.

  2. Ray Hawkins says:

    Anyone seen/recall data on turnout in recounts? Thought I heard anecdotally that it drops pretty significantly and generally favors GOP candidates. Not saying ignore Georgia – but the Democrats in the runoff need more than just buckets of money or dead people.

  3. Ray Hawkins says:

    A Trump Post-Mortem I – Border Security – For S&G’s – oft felt like this was a microcosm of the Trump admin. Improving & enhancing border security should be a gimmee – pretty tough to argue against unless you’re way off the left (a loon) and think the answer is completely open borders. Memory serves me that this was Trump-ized from before “go” – hyperbole, fantastical…..”I’ll make Mexico pay for it” (as we know now…..his fall back often became “I was joking”). The power of the purse would necessitate most to seek that coalition with the Congress, fund it and go do it. “I think” that’s what most Trump supporters thought they were getting – a leader who’d cut the b.s. rhetoric and go do the very things he said he’d do. Break some glass. Action. Instead – and the left must come to grips with – constant conflating stymied even the most sensible things coming from the White House (even arguable if there weren’t many sensible things). The behind the scenes is that Kushner worked his ass off to find the money in the couch cushions to get the project started and moving. It ain’t done. It won’t finish. And the left couched his funding work as theft (stealing money from DoD schools or some such nonsense). Kushner earned some credit here. Trump earned some credit here. They’ll never get it. Ocean boilers will say w/o DACA reform or root cause fixing (source Countries problems?) anything short is a failure. Such is our sorry state of affairs.

    I guess I’d give him a B+ based on progress and the challenges to overcome. He made it harder on himself as much as his opponents were going to fight him no matter what. https://www.trumpwall.construction/

  4. One of the common themes pushed by the left is voter suppression. 21M more people voted for the 2 major candidates this year than in 2016.

  5. On the D lists being made:

    “Ignore the guillotine, it is a mostly peaceful machine” Tammy Bruce on Tucker Carlson.

    • I’m not sure which bothers me more the people calling for revenge or the ones calling for unity after calling half of the country every nasty thing they could think of for four years straight.

      • The call for unity is meaningless unless it is preceded by a sincere apology. The same goes for forgiveness. If you want it, you first have to give it.

      • Jennie

        I’m not sure which bothers me more the people calling for revenge or the ones calling for unity after calling half of the country every nasty thing they could think of for four years straight.

        You should be more bothered by those seeking revenge. This can only work to widen the divide.

        As for those calling for unity… I think there needs to be a recognition that this hasn’t been wholly one-sided.

        If I look on the left, I see them laying the blame squarely at the feet of Republicans. If I look over here, you’d think the poor innocent saintly Republicans never did a wrong thing in their lives and were just unfortunate victims of the malevelant bullying left.

        T-Ray, above, even suggests that the left (presumably) needs to begin by begging for forgiveness and apologizing. And that well may be… but doesn’t the right need to as well?

        The two sides have been duking it out for decades or longer amid ever escalating tensions and tactics and it’s approaching a boiling point.

        I remember talking here about Trump some years ago… I said that he was like a man who stood outside a bar fight throwing empty bottles at people for a long time. But then he jumped into the fray, gleefully breaking chairs over people’s heads. But then, as happens in a brawl, he takes a hit and suddenly he’s the victim in it all. See how they attack me! I think this was in reference to his relationship with the press, but it holds in a broader sense. The left and right are in a brawl and have been. And it’s unreasonable to assign all the fault to one side or the other. You can’t step back, mid brawl, and demand the other guy apologize without acknowledging that you were also in there throwing punches.

        I don’t think that Trump – as the leader of the last four years – ever made a good-faith effort to unify this country. I remember a lot of empty rhetoric, and a lot of it would be immediately followed by a backhand… “now is the time to come together, but the Democrats don’t care about what’s good for the country”… that kind of thing (quote entirely made up for example purposes). He governed from the right as a happy warrior.. a combatant who relentlessly antagonized the left, shoring up his support on the right rather than trying to unite.*

        I can’t count how many times I’ve been told here that he’s just “trolling” the left. But if that’s true, how can that be reconciled with legitimate efforts to unify the country? Would you “unify” with a former friend who deliberately spent her time saying and doing things she knew would piss you off, just to get a rise out of you?

        I don’t know what Biden will do. But healing has to start somewhere or it all ends very badly. I hope he will extend an olive branch, and I hope “the right” will take it. That doesn’t mean they need to lie down in front of his legislative agenda and give him everything he wants. But maybe they could accept that we’re friends who disagree rather than bitter enemies?

        We all want what’s best for the country. That should make us friends. And friends can disagree without hating each other.

        ————-

        * No, Hillary’s “deporables” was not a good way to unify anyone either. But she, as you’ll recall, was never elected.

        • Noble words, my friend but I really do think we are past the point of civility and the point of no return. We shall see what happens under the Biden Administration….I personally feel that the divide will deepen.

          You and I disagree on a lot but we understand that. We will never agree in total with each other and our generational gap is very wide but so was the generational gap in the 60’s that tore this country apart…..it has never healed from that.

          • Sorry, I hit the wrong button and did not finish….I feel very strongly that there has been a cancel culture for decades…..Your idea of freedom and my ideas of freedom are actually pretty far apart. You are willing to accept losing freedoms and I am not. You see bigotry where I do not. You see giving up freedoms “for the greater good” and I disagree with that philosophy. But, we are still friends.

            • Does this still mean I can seek refuge down at Laguna Madre when Civil War II breaks out?

              • Yes, there is a spot reserved JUST for you.

              • Umm… kinda need spots for the wife, kids, and dog, too…

                Don’t worry, we can put them all to work while you and I discuss my new-found conservatism over a can of Doctor Pepper.

                Not sure how much use the furry idiot will be at herding cattle, but it might be good for a laugh.

              • Equine Weapon will fit in nicely….and since your spousal unit leans center to slightly right, will of course be welcome. Your children will love the beaches and warm weather….Canine Weapon…….MEH…………..but, I wonder if DPM would make you a cabin boy?

        • Once again Mathius you miss the point. You cannot change other people, you can only change yourself. If you want peace and reconciliation, you most first give it.

        • I call bullshit on most of this regarding Trump. He united a good portion of this country. Blacks, Hispanics, LEOs, boaters, truckers, walkaways, women, deplorables, chumps and more…all for Trump. All the while being up against the Ds, the Rs, the NTs, BLM, Antifa, and more. He is up against it all and still brought more people into HIS tent. All that division is caused by the establishment, because they are all the same…the establishment. They. Are. All. The Same. But you still want to blame Trump?

          • But you still want to blame Trump?

            Maybe I wasn’t clear… longwinded and all that.. tend to get muddled..

            I don’t BLAME Trump for the whole situation.

            But I do think he made things worse.

            And I think you rightfully acknowledge how he brought together 72.63mm people in, frankly, an astounding coalition vote. But you ignore that 77.95 voted against him – and that, for many, this wasn’t as much a vote “for Biden” as “against Trump.” He was incredibly polarizing.

            And I think that peace has to start somewhere. Trump didn’t try to unify. I hope that Biden will try – sincerely try. And I hope that the right is receptive.

            • And I hope that the right is receptive. The right will be as receptive as the Progressives allow the Dems to be…..I do NOT see a coalition of right vs left because of the Cabinet pics and their stated objectives. AND, you will see nothing but resistance from the right the minute any of the Bernie crowd is given any type of power.

              • Shouldn’t resistance be conditioned on the particular item?

                Even if Biden’s whole agenda and all his cabinet members are far-left radicals, shouldn’t the Red Team be willing to work together on whatever items they agree on?

              • Even if Biden’s whole agenda and all his cabinet members are far-left radicals, shouldn’t the Red Team be willing to work together on whatever items they agree on?

                Yes, if there is such a thing.

  6. From Justice Alito:

    Religious liberty and free speech are among Americans’ personal freedoms potentially imperiled along with government overreach during the coronavirus pandemic, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito warned Thursday. “Tolerance for opposing views is now in short supply,” Alito added in a virtual keynote speech to a conference of the conservative Federalist Society, in which he referenced the current state of discourse in the nation’s law schools and the “broader academic community.” Many recent law school graduates claim they face “harassment” and “retaliation” for any views that depart “from law school orthodoxy,” Alito said.
    “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs,” he added, saying Christians deserve the same protections as the any of the religious minority groups in cases over which has presided throughout the years.When Alito, 70, a nominee of former President George W. Bush who was confirmed by the Senate in 2006, touched on the pandemic, he said it has “resulted in previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty” and whatever people believe about the coronavirus restrictions,“Religious liberty is in danger of becoming a second-class right,” he warned, adding concerns about free speech and the Second Amendment.He said there was “hostility” toward “unfashionable views” before the pandemic but said that free speech on campuses and at some corporations is now in danger“You can’t say that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,” Alito said. “Until very recently that’s what the vast majority of Americans thought. Now it’s considered bigotry. “Judges dedicated to the rule of law have a clear duty” he added, saying they can’t “compromise principle or rationalize any departure from what they are obligated to do.”

    • “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs,” he added, saying Christians deserve the same protections as the any of the religious minority groups in cases over which has presided throughout the years.

      Don’t suppose you see any irony with labeling Christian beliefs “unpopular” even as they are the majority of the country and, definitionally, “popular,” do you..?

      “The question we face is whether our society will be inclusive enough to tolerate people with unpopular religious beliefs,” he added, saying Christians deserve the same protections as the any of the religious minority groups in cases over which has presided throughout the years.

      But, yes, all religions should be treated equally before the eyes of the United States SECULAR government.

      Which is to say, they should have no say, no power, no influence, and anyone who tries to use them politically should be laughed out of the room.

      [the pandemic] “resulted in previously unimaginable restrictions on individual liberty”

      I wouldn’t necessarily disagree.

      That said… CIVILIAN Mathius wonders what “provide for the common defense” might mean in this context…

      (JUSTICE Mathius summarily beats the shit out of CIVILIAN Mathius with a Wiffle ball bat)

      “Religious liberty is in danger of becoming a second-class right,”

      Oh, bullshit.

      As a non-Christian, let me tell you, the amount of power Christians wield in the country is absurd.

      I used to live a block away from a church that would BLAST the sound of curch bells from loudspeakers every Sunday morning at 7:30 AM. What about my right to sleep in? Nope! They’re allowed to do it even though it pissed off the whole neighborhood. Why? “BeCaUsE iTs ThEiR fAiTh!!1!”

      If you’d like to be truly horrified, you should go look up how Orthodox Jews perform circumcisions. It is….. horrifying. (stop… seriously.. don’t look this up). And in no civil society should anything like it be even remotely tolerated. And yet. And yet we do. Why? “BeCaUsE iTs ThEiR fAiTh!!1!”

      And people assholes who make $700 million preaching the “prosperity doctrine” should be shot out of a cannon. But they aren’t. They aren’t even taxed. Why? “BeCaUsE iTs ThEiR fAiTh!!1!”

      But, you know. Mormons can’t have two wives for some reason. And prostitution is illegal. And the last person to be arrested for homosexuality in the US was in 2006. And gay marriage wasn’t legal nationally until 2016. And you can’t buy liquor on Sundays in lots of places.

      Seems to me that religion is doing just fine. Or, at least, mainstream Christianity is.

      “You can’t say that marriage is a union between one man and one woman,”

      You can say whatever you want.

      But that has NOTHING to do with “free speech.” Freedom of speech has to do with the GOVERNMENT’s ability to punish you. Not freedom of consequence should people and private institutions not like what you’re saying.

      Talk like a bigot and people have the right to treat you like a bigot.

      (JUSTICE Mathius summarily beats the shit out of JUSTICE Alito with a Wiffle ball bat)

      “Until very recently that’s what the vast majority of Americans thought. Now it’s considered bigotry.

      Correct.

      Likewise, it was once thought acceptable to call black people n*****s and make them use separate lunch counters and water fountains. It seems that, finally, the United States has realized that gay people are people and that treating them as less than heterosexuals is bigotry.

      “How dare people call me a bigot for saying biggoted things?!?”

      “Judges dedicated to the rule of law have a clear duty” he added, saying they can’t “compromise principle or rationalize any departure from what they are obligated to do.”

      Correct.

      And no part of that has to do with holding back social changes.

      • Sir Mathius……I knew I could count on you to respond…..but…..stop with the religious thing. You know I am not Christian either…I do not subscribe to any religious philosophy…..so, I think that I can be totally objective on this. So, I throw a penalty flag to you….because your religion is all so very powerful. For example, creating a Jewish state out of thin air back in the late 40’s. Supporting the Jewish state with tax dollars since Moses was a mess cook. So….nah….leave religion out of it. This nation, supposedly, was founded on Judeo-Christian values. And, it is evolving and I, like you, do not support tax free anything on religion. This is why I do not support churches or church sponsorships, missions, or anything of the sort.

        But, it seems to me you missed the point of what Alito was saying.

        You made this statement…. And no part of that has to do with holding back social changes Would you agree that social changes….all social changes should evolve…and not be forced by edict or law?

        • For example, creating a Jewish state out of thin air back in the late 40’s.

          … Have I.. Have I not been critical of the “Jewish state”?

          I feel like I have…

          … You know who ISN’T critical of Israel? Evangelical Christians. Go talk to them, not me.

          Also, and I don’t know if you’re aware of this… But Isreal isn’t part of the US.

          Would you agree that social changes….all social changes should evolve…and not be forced by edict or law?

          Hmmm….

          ::casually examines the hastily concealed Burmese tiger pit::

          ::lifts up the leaves and examines the bamboo spikes::

          ::replaces the leaves::

          Hmm….

          Hmm….

          Ok, I’ll bite.

          Edict: No.

          Law: Sometimes.

          Whom gets to define bigotry?

          I do.

          You do.

          I get to call you a bigot and there’s nothing you can do about it.

          You get to call me a bigot and there’s nothing I can do about it.

          It’s a label assigned by people toward other people. It has no force of law, it is not codified, it is not standardized.

          What I consider bigotry, you may not.

          What you consider bigotry, I may not.

          As it applies to homosexuality, society is evolving into the realization that gay people are equal people to the rest of us. And, with it, a consensus opinion that the opposing view is bigotry. You can disagree, rail against this, fight it until you’re blue in the face. And maybe you’ll even stem the tide. Who knows. But, if people think you’re a bigot for this, that’s their right. And if they want to call you a bigot for this, that’s their right. And if they want to kick you out of their clubs for this, that’s their right. And if they don’t want to do business with you, that’s their right. But if they want the government to punish you, that’s verboten.

          Likewise, I can call you a turnip. What of it?

          • DUCK!! Incoming turnips! No, wait. I can’t warn you.

            Get him Colonel.

          • But, if people think you’re a bigot for this, that’s their right. And if they want to call you a bigot for this, that’s their right. And if they want to kick you out of their clubs for this, that’s their right. And if they don’t want to do business with you, that’s their right. Hmmmm…isn’t this the definition of bigotry as you define it?

            Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo……kicking out of clubs……..hmmmmmmm……………………then where is the line between bigotry and discrimination? So, if I do not like Pirates and I do not want Pirates in my club and I exclude them because they are Pirates, why am I discriminatory? I do not care if Pirates exist…it is just that I do not want to be around them (they never bathe anyway)…..If that is MY choice and no one else’s…..that should also be my “right”…..(the Colonel trying to disguise his Tiger pit better)..

            • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

              So, if I do not like Pirates and I do not want Pirates in my club and I exclude them because they are Pirates, why am I discriminatory? I do not care if Pirates exist…it is just that I do not want to be around them (they never bathe anyway)

              This seems like an unwise path you’re treading..

              Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo……kicking out of clubs……..hmmmmmmm……………………then where is the line between bigotry and discrimination?

              In the eye of the beholder, I suppose.

              If a man doesn’t want to let black people join his Klan meetings, then that is his right. Just as it is the black person’s right to call him a bigot.

              • If a man doesn’t want to let black people join his Klan meetings, then that is his right. Just as it is the black person’s right to call him a bigot. I see Sir Mathius has relegated this discussion to you, I guess, because I am using Pirates (not to impugn DPM, of course) as an example.

                Soooooo, by extension, since I agree with your statement above, any forcible act of law would be incorrect? And, by extension, I can interpret Klan Meeting to mean any type of club….say a Country Club?

          • As it applies to homosexuality, society is evolving…. This is not entirely true. There are laws and edicts that say it must be so.

          • Mathius correctly states:
            I do.

            You do.

            I get to call you a bigot and there’s nothing you can do about it.

            You get to call me a bigot and there’s nothing I can do about it.

            It’s a label assigned by people toward other people. It has no force of law, it is not codified, it is not standardized.
            —————-

            Kudos, sir….you are trainable without a rolled up newspaper.

      • Talk like a bigot and people have the right to treat you like a bigot. Whom gets to define bigotry?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Stop and THINK before you spout.

        You are embarrassing yourself…….AGAIN.

  7. El Paso, Texas shuts down city…….Attorney General Paxton says, “Nope can’t do it”…8th Circuit agrees. In the City of El Paso, the Democratic administration shut it down. They decide what is essential and not essential and that violates the Constitution. You cannot usurp freedoms….Pandemic or no pandemic.

    Expecting final ruling from 8th Circuit today.

  8. I did not write this but is sums up a lot.

    The GOP was founded expressly to end slavery. With policies based on principle, rather than selfishness, it has dedicated itself to lofty goals like ending slavery, winning the cold war, or reducing corruption in the deep state. In none of these tasks were they promoting self-interest, but the public good. Slaves couldn’t vote and freeing the people of the Eastern Block (enslaved by FDR at the Yalta Conference) was based on the principle of liberty.

    In the 60’s Democrats embraced civil rights and segregation at the same time, proving that they stood for nothing but the acquisition of power. Lust for power affects how it is used – to perpetuate control. If defending Jim Crow would accomplish that, Democrats did it. They now reject rule of law and our nation’s sovereignty allowing in third world criminals whom they view as the future Democrat voters just to hang on to power. In the 60’s their union thugs were breaking heads in the north, while party members clad in white sheets kept small black children out of schools in the South and anti-war activists demonstrated on campuses so they could shirk their duty to country. In the 80’s they supported communists in Central America against Reagan while he fought and beat the evil empire. Then they aided al Qaeda in Iraq rather than support Bush. All of these were evil acts!

    Segregationist Democrats of old the south had to see their victims, but today’s Democrats aren’t forced to see the consequences of their policies. Jane Fonda and her ilk didn’t have to see the death camps or look upon the victims of the Cambodian genocide they enabled. Environmentalists who banned DDT, based on bad science, don’t have to explain to 50 million third world malaria victims why they must die of a disease that had almost been eradicated from the face of the earth. We don’t have to explain why we killed 60 million human beings in America just because they were inconvenient. Open boarder supporters don’t explain why Americans must contract drug resistant tuberculosis brought in from the third world. Politicians who pass excessive building codes, CAFE standards and a minimum wage never see the people for whom home ownership, a car and employment has been priced out of reach. Gun control activists never apologize to the next of kin of those denied self defense. There is no relationship between laws that exist just to make lifestyle Nazis look compassionate and the point of diminishing returns found by free market solutions. These are just some of the injustices inflicted by the “holier than thou” champions of social justice.

    Republicans believe in passive rights as laid out in the Constitution. Your right to bear arms, freedom of religion or freedom of the press doesn’t mean someone has to buy you a gun, build you a church or give you space in newspapers. Leftists believe in active rights like a right to housing or medical care that claim the fruits of other people’s labor. That always leads back to the same place – slavery. The struggle between right and left is about nothing less than the reintroduction of slavery with government as master. It is appropriate that the party created to end slavery, the GOP, resists this and the party that defended that evil institution promotes a twenty first century incarnation of this evil.

    The only difference between an antebellum slave owner and a modern recipient of government transfer payments is that the latter feels no responsibility toward those who support him while the slave owner knew and cared for his slaves. That’s why I have greater contempt for Democrats of today than I do for 19th century slaveholders. The greater good for the greatest number, the ethics of today’s Democrat Party is ultimately a rejection of individual rights. It’s the kind of thing that led to the holocaust and inevitably leads to tyranny. That’s why the left is dangerous and why today’s Democrat party unwittingly promotes evil. They fight for power, while we fight for liberty.

    • For the most part, I think the author is on target. There are some things said that I disagree with,,,,,,for example, this statement, They fight for power, while we fight for liberty. I do not think that this is totally true because there are Republicans that care about nothing but power and they have lost their way.

      However, I think this statement is dead on target…..The struggle between right and left is about nothing less than the reintroduction of slavery with government as master.

  9. Did anyone here grow up watching the original Star Trek series with William Shatner?

    I’d like to pick your brain on something, if so.

    • Yup

    • Hell yes…….I am a Trekkie

      • I especially like the Tribble.

        • They had a problem.

          • Yes,,,,,they rapidly reproduced….great episode, “The Trouble With Tribbles”

            • If you like Tribbles, you may enjoy a Short Trek paying homage to the Tribbles..

              I don’t know if I loved this episode (about 10 minutes long), but it got a few smiles out of me.

            • Do Tribbles
              Multiply ( 1 x 1 = 2)
              Divide (1/1 = 2)
              or add (1 + 1) = 3?

              • I always thought it was a mitosis kind of deal.

                I never understood though, what the hell are they eating. The Enterprise was spotless (even though I never once saw anyone with a vacuum or actually clean up the mass amounts of damage that ship took every week. The tribbles had to be eating something to accumulate that much biomass. Were there missing crewmen (red shirts, of course) that nobody noticed?

                I also never understood why they couldn’t just (A) vent the atmosphere in affected sections and/or (B) use the teleporters to just beam them all into space.

                ———-

                I just went looking… I thought I’d mess with my kids a bit.. show ’em the episode, wait a few days.. put a tribble in their rooms… wait a day… put two tribbles… keep going until my wife got made enough to stop me..

                But holy hell! They’re $10 each! And that’s “small size”!

                I bet I could bulk order 1,000 from China for $100. That might be worth it… I wonder what the import regulations look like for tribbles…

              • Almost like Gremlins? Throw a little water on them and VOILA……

    • Alright, T-Ray and the Colonel,

      As a fellow Trekkie, the question I want to ask is this: how did you perceive the inclusion of Uhura – a black, female, officer – and who kissed a white man on TV over the screaming objections of the network censors – in the show?

      Did it feel “forced” or like acceptance was being crammed down your throat? Did it feel like tokenism? Did you just roll with it and not see any significance?

      And what did other people think of it?

      ———-

      Disclaimer: this has nothing at all to do with Trump or the Republicans – this is a pure Trek question and will relate to another Trek item I will bring up after your responses. There are no traps here. I mean that sincerely.

      • Did you just roll with it and not see any significance? This is me.

        • Sorry…no significance.

          • You are… math math math… This was 1966.. that’s… carry the one… so you’d have been about 16 at the time, give or take.. Just a kid..

            Did you find that other people had a reaction to this, thought it was either good or bad.. or was the entirety of the reaction as far as the 16 year old colonel PFC could tell that this was just a non-issue, non-event, thing that just fit right in because, of course, black women can be officers and kiss white men?

            I have to imagine that a lot of people were turned off by this, offended by this, outraged, tried to ban it or censor it, thought it was a 60’s era equivalent of showing your (big P) Progressive agenda down my conservative throat…

            ——–

            I’ll tip my hand a little bit here.

            The current series, Star Trek Discovery is truly excellent in some ways – and the special effects/visuals are… astounding.

            Something they’ve done in the last few episodes is to include a non-binary character and a trans character. They also have a gay couple. I find it somewhat… jarring… it’s not that it’s offensive or wrong in any way whatsoever, but rather that it feels… forced. And perhaps like the show is waving a flag and saying “look at me – look how Progressive I am!”

            I suppose, over time, this will get normalized and fade into the background. But I was wondering how this might fit in with you old-timers who watched the first time ’round when Roddenberry fought tooth and nail to get a black female officer on the bridge.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              The character Uhura was no big deal that I recall. I remember some wondering “why” the kiss. It felt a little forced at the time, but more because it was out of character. If I recall, by the time Kirk kissed a Black Woman he had already kissed several alien ladies, some green and/or blue. But I do not remember the amount of reaction then that I see among folks over today’s effort to normalize everything but the kitchen sink.

              I do not recall any efforts to censor or ban the episode, etc. I expect that it did raise hackles in certain parts of the country, however. But not where I grew up.

              I feel the current alphabet soup characters on shows is much more forced. You would think that after watching HGTV almost every couple in Canada or the Caribbean was homosexual. Same goes for most of the shows. I think the “forced” feeling today also is more about the volume of it rather than the uniqueness. It is as if every show, gardens to soaps and cartoons, have to have a character that fits the agenda.

              • If I recall, by the time Kirk kissed a Black Woman he had already kissed several alien ladies, some green and/or blue. Exactly…..it fit the character.

              • I think the “forced” feeling today also is more about the volume of it rather than the uniqueness. It is as if every show, gardens to soaps and cartoons, have to have a character that fits the agenda.

                Well now… time for a review of Mathius’ off the top of his head lineup of curent-ish……….

                Mandalorian – none
                Raised by wolves – none
                Westworld – almost certainly, but I can’t think of any
                Star Trek Discovery – gay, trans, non-gender
                Star Trek Picard – none… maybe… maybe something subtle..
                Star Trek Lower Decks – none
                Expanse – None that I can think of, but probably
                Orville – none
                Space Force – none
                The Boys – none

                Doesn’t look overly included to me.. and I’m watching a fairly progressive set of shows, predominantly science fiction.. if anything is going to be overly included, I would think these would have it..

            • reaction as far as the 16 year old colonel PFC could tell that this was just a non-issue, non-event, thing that just fit right in because, of course, black women can be officers and kiss white men? Sharpen your pencil….I was 18. I graduated high school in December of 1965……and was a 17 year old college freshman in 1966 (Birthday is in October). However, I did not view it as anything being shoved down my throat at the time. It just seemed to fit the Trekkie environment. However, no one would have thought of doing it for real back then….not without being ostracized.

              I have to imagine that a lot of people were turned off by this, offended by this, outraged, tried to ban it or censor it, thought it was a 60’s era equivalent of showing your (big P) Progressive agenda down my conservative throat… The censorship back then was extensive but from a government sort of thing, There was NOTHING censored in college anywhere in the 60’s.

              Also, remember that I went to a private school named Allen Military Academy (high school) and we had female and male instructors of different races. But you did not date out of your race back then and, I suppose, I feel that way today. I do not care if anybody does, it is not me.

              Now, from what I am seeing on Tv in sitcoms and movies and such, it is prevalent and it does seem that it is being shoved down my throat today. Especially in commercials….but I know how to change the channel. I do not watch sitcoms or movies that depict gay marriage or gay relationships or cultural things. Again, I do not care what people do but if I do not like it, I can choose not to watch it or be associated with it. I have friends that are in mixed marriages and it is common place in the military. I accept it because it is an individual choice just as it is my choice to associate or not to associate.

              • Mathius…..ask us old guys who lived through the 60’s. The Klan, southern democrats, were not everywhere. The racial divide of the 60’s was actually manufactured and it was not as bad as it is today. I have never seen nor felt the tensions of today in the 60’s. The racial divides in the 60’s were beginning to change and the intervention of the government actually worsened it. What I am seeing today is the constant “in your face” attitude brought on by activists. So, a kiss in a movie was a problem for censors but not the general public.

                What I think actually spurred the racial divides were the Affirmative Action laws and the quotas that were imposed and the percentages of population requirements. Another thing that really created a further divide was the forced housing issues through HUD. I am talking about forced building of Section 8 housing in affluent neighborhoods in the misbegotten effort of enforcing integration. School busing did not work. Segregation more prevalent today than in the 60’s and 70’s. Children today are taught to hate. It is waaaay different. LBJ was a horrible POTUS…..but his great society was forced. The feminist movement has not helped women….it has hurt them.

                Things were beginning to change back in the 60’s and 70’s by their own evolution….but forcing the change quicker…..created more divide.

                Star Trek was a great fantasy TV series. But that is what it was….fantasy. It tried to portray everyone as equal but Star Trek had plenty of counter inequalities built into it.

                By the way, this is a great discussion about attitudes of today and the reasons for the attitudes.

              • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

                Sheldon Leonard decided that “I Spy” would have a salt and pepper team, Culp and Cosby. Some affiliates were outraged. Sheldon Leonard told them to go to hell. To this date one of the very best TV shows ever. Filming on location in Hong Kong, Greece and elsewhere did not hurt. This was another show, like Star Trek which was apparently NOT beloved by network execs who despite decent ratings canned it early after moving it all over the schedule the last year in what I considered a deliberate attempt to knock it off.

            • Star Trek was never a problem and I watched all of them over time during my youth. In fact, having people of different races etc was never even a thought.

              As far as today’s shows, I don’t watch much on the networks. The 100 on Netflix did have homosexuality, but it wasn’t over the top. I don’t much care unless it gets to be over the top (more than I would prefer to see).

      • It was so memorable, I don’t even remember it. A non-event.

  10. Thought for today:

    Be polite..
    Be Professional..
    But have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

  11. Just A Citizen says:
  12. Just A Citizen says:

    “Yet again we find that the most prolific propagators of Fake News and disinformation are not the enemies of the mainstream U.S. media,” he concluded. “It is the mainstream U.S. media itself that deceives, propagandizes and spreads disinformation on behalf of the coalition of the intelligence community and the Democratic Party far more than any other faction or entity.” Glenn Greenwald

    https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2020/11/13/glenn-greenwald-torches-media-shameless-pathological-liar-adam-schiff-others-for-dismissing-hunter-biden-scandal-n279304

  13. Canine Weapon says:

  14. Authorities say they’ve taken 13 people into custody after they were found inside sealed cardboard boxes inside a van.

    The discovery was made during an inspection at a checkpoint along I-35 near Laredo.

    Texas National Guard units were speaking to the driver and a passenger when a K9 alerted them to several boxes in the back of the van. Thirteen people were packed inside the boxes, which were sealed with tape.

    • I don’t know what it says about me or the state of the world, but for some reason, I read that very strangely and thought they were 13 people found hiding inside cardboard ballot boxes…

      ::scratches head::

  15. Today we got three envelopes in the mail with each of our kids names on them. When we opened them, they were EBT cards. The cards had their names on them with instructions on how to use them. WHAT THE?????? We are no where near qualifying for any kind of government assistance, and we certainly didn’t apply for anything. I can only assume that these were sent to every child in the state. Is anyone else just a little worried about how the government is throwing money around?

    • 1) You can spend your own money on yourself.
      If you spend your own money on yourself, you’re very careful on what you spend it on. You make sure you get the most for your dollar.

      2) You can spend your own money on someone else.

      When you spend your own money on someone else, you’re careful on not spending too much. You don’t worry as much about the gifts you buy for other people as the things you buy for yourself.

      3) You can spend somebody else’s money on yourself.
      You’re careful to get good things for the money. But you’re not very worried about getting the best bang for your buck. You’re happier to spend more of somebody else’s money within reason.

      4) You can spend somebody else’s money on somebody else.
      You become a “distributor of welfare funds.” You’re interested in making your own life as good as you can. But you’re not going to be anywhere near as careful as spending this money on other people.
      In an environment where we are accustomed to spending other people’s money on someone else, we end up not maximizing the value of the dollar. We also don’t end up appreciating money as much either.
      [Milton Friedman]

  16. It’s official, the election is definitely not official. Jimmy the Greek refuses to pay off.

    https://nypost.com/2020/11/13/wagered-millions-in-limbo-as-election-gets-decided/

  17. Just A Citizen says:

    Biden’s reported main SecDef candidate: We need to stay engaged in Afghanistan.

    The SWAMP cheers and proclaims; It is about time we got Govt back to normal. Our standing in the world is now restored.

    Hmmmmmm standing in the world? That same standing that had everyone condemning the US as a Fascist Imperialist State because of how we use force to “encourage Democratic reforms”???? God, how quickly we forget.

    • For young people, what good is it? For older folks, what is the possibility of getting pneumonia? I hear a loud vacuum sound.

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      More propaganda. So, like I have never had an adverse reaction to the flu vaccine? Wife got sick as a dog last year. Now the New, Improved Biden vaccine will be perfect!

      • Getting a little sick isn’t what bothers me. This is:

        “The COVID-19 vaccine is also an mRNA vaccine. This means it teaches your cells how to manufacture the coronavirus’s spike protein and manufacture antibodies as a response. This technology has never been used in humans before. Essentially, just like a virus hijacks your cell’s processes to make copies of itself, this vaccine hijacks your cell’s processes to manufacture a protein”

        Anybody know anything about this?

  18. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    I wonder how many of you have even heard about the Great Barrington Petition. 45,000 scientists, doctors and public health officials from around the world who dare to “Question Authority”.

    Son # 1, the guy with the US Army Medical Corps background AND the alphabet soup behind his name clued me in yesterday. Imagine, me, Mr. pay attention to everything and dig ….. not being aware all these months. The media has certainly done a crackerjack job of suppression.

    The very next ass#### who tells me ALL scientists everywhere agree with lockdowns and the other farcical solutions faux Fauci offers is gonna get it right between the eyes.

    https://gbdeclaration.org/

    • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

      p.s. try posting it on FB and see what happens.

    • You counterrevolutionary, off to the gulag with you.

    • I had heard of this this but had not seen it.

      I picked up some info in the last couple of days. Fauci takes 6K units of Vit D and a bunch of C a day but does not say anything.

      Also, most of the deaths in the 1918 epidemic were due to pneumonia not the flu. In the second wave, they mandated masks which may have contributed to the bacterial infection. Also they had a new wonder drug, aspirin, which many doctors prescribed. Too bad it was the wrong thing as those who did not take it fared better.

      We have PSAs here daily about masks and distancing. But still no PSAs describing the symptoms and what to do if you have any. Also nothing about taking supplements to boost your immune system.

      So if you get sick, you probably will wait a couple of days to be sure before getting tested. Testing can take 2 days to get results. The 5 day window to stay out of the hospital is closing. Again no recommendations with respect to meds such as aspirin, ibuprofen, vitamins, zinc etc. All of these things, I would expect the CDC and/or the states to do. But crickets. Why? It seems that controlling the population is more important than to solve the problem at hand.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        Over half of the hundreds of military death records I examined from the 1918 pandemic two years back when I was preparing for teh 100th Anniversary listed Pneumonia. But I suspect that was an offshoot of the infection.

  19. PORTLAND, OR—With hard drugs now legal in Oregon, local businesses are looking to capitalize on the new laws to serve a wider client base. One of the most exciting reveals came from local Denny’s restaurants, who announced they will begin offering meth omelets to their hungry customers.

    “Hey, why not?” said local franchise operator Bugg Bunkachug. “The business is struggling these days and I’m not sure anything matters anymore at this point so we might as well put meth on an omelet. Come get ’em!”

    The Portland-exclusive menu item will be offered at a reasonable price of $1,200. For customers who don’t have that much money, Denny’s will also accept TVs, jewelry, and stolen IDs in exchange for a delicious meth omelet.

    “Each omelet will be lovingly prepared with two fresh-cracked organic eggs, organic spinach, and a healthy heap of low-grade crystal meth right on top,” said Bunkachug. “We will also offer ham-and-crack, as well as feta-and-fentanyl varieties!”

    In addition to their brand new product offerings, Portland Denny’s is also announcing they are hiring for all positions since they lost all their employees in a massive meth explosion last week.

  20. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    The other day Pharma stocks rose on the announcement of teh vaccine, then Fauci announced it probably would not be available till the Summer for most. Then the stocks plummeted. Then he backtracked. Then they rose again.

    I REALLY< REALLY< REALLY want to see his portfolio, his wife's , his kid's, his grandkid's and his uncle Alphonse's.

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    C.S. Lewis said it well,

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

    This shows just how stupid the left is. They don’t think past their desire to hurt those they deem better off than them.

    “Deutsche Bank unveiled a new report Tuesday that said people who choose to work from home should be taxed 5% of their salary, with the revenue generated going to help people who cannot work from home.

    “The report states a 5% ‘privilege’ tax could benefit workers who don’t have the opportunity to stay home.”

    And here is why I say that. The “left” as in the “progressive think tank types” have been pushing UN Agendas for years to govern how we build communities and live. One of their focal points was trying to eliminate the brick and mortar stores and offices. In short, it would be better for the health of the planet, not necessarily humans, if we could all work from home.

    Now that this has happened by accident along comes the central planners to suggest we should pay an extra 5% for the “privilege” of working from home.

    • Now that this has happened by accident along comes the central planners to suggest we should pay an extra 5% for the “privilege” of working from home.

      My gut says that this was not an accident. The shutdowns are continuing, despite NOT working to control the virus. Tyranny also needs victims, just like the Crats to remain relevant.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Gman

        Do not assume bad intentions where stupidity and the feeling one needs “to do something” can explain the behavior.

  22. Just A Citizen says:

    The people who told us our computer voting systems were “secure” and “not connected to the internet” have come together to assure us that this election “was not affected by large scale changing or adding/subtracting of votes”. There is “no evidence” they say.

    Seriously? OK, then provide us with the track record of the forensic investigation into those systems. You know, the ones that the Judge in Georgia cited when he said the system was ripe for potential abuse. Or maybe like the one that outfit from Texas did showing how to hack the system via the backdoor (shoutout to TRay on that one).

    • The issue is that the fraud was perpetrated in multiple ways. They can say there is no significant fraud based on the dead voting which is true that enough dead probably did not vote to turn the election. The will make the same claim with regards to missing signatures and mismatching signatures on mail in ballots. They may be right. Then they will make the same claim about the next issue, etc. The problem is they used all of the above which is significant. All of this makes Mayor Richard Daley (Chicago 1960) look like an amateur.

  23. Just A Citizen says:

    More on the voting fraud issue:

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/how_much_fraud_could_there_be.html

    Suggestion: If we are going to continue the idiocy of “mail in voting” then there should be mandatory audits of those ballots mailed TO VOTERS.

    1. Was a ballot received for the election?

    2. If No, then call a % of those who did not vote and find out if they did or did not.

    3. If Yes, then ask them to repeat their choices. Check against the mail in ballot. Oh, that means each ballot has a unique identity.

    Other note: Our system has many weak spots. One of the biggest which seems to constantly be ignored is the partisan nature of those who run and execute the elections. You take a heavy D or R precinct and/or county and you will have mostly D’s or R’s running the election and doing all the vote counting. The elections are heavily dependent upon volunteers, or nearly volunteers. I understand there is some compensation in some States and/or Counties within States.

    The other BIG PROBLEM is the inherent conflict between the goals of making voting easy for the laziest and stupidest among us while at the same time trying to achieve negligible fraud/abuse/theft, or just plain screwups.

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    Mathius, a special note to you for Monday AM.

    When presented with examples of what many of us call voter fraud you were quick to point out that these were examples of “registration” fraud. Not actual voting. And of course that they got caught so the system “works”.

    I suppose you have not noticed but many of the claims of fraud this time center around the “registration lists” as these were used to mail ballots to hundreds of thousands of people who should not have received them. Like those who moved to other States.

    The “Registration” process and “lists” have traditionally been the first line of defense against fraud. Unfortunately, in the name of “fairness” we have weakened that step to the point it is useless.

    Registration could be waived if IN PERSON voting was required and that is combined with strict rules of Personal ID and proof of residency/citizenship/eligibility.

    • When presented with examples of what many of us call voter fraud you were quick to point out that these were examples of “registration” fraud. Not actual voting.

      I don’t recall making this point, but it sure sounds like me, so… sure.

      And of course that they got caught so the system “works”.

      Now that I do recall saying.

      At least to several of the examples which have been offered to me.

      I suppose you have not noticed but many of the claims of fraud this time center around the “registration lists” as these were used to mail ballots to hundreds of thousands of people who should not have received them. Like those who moved to other States.

      I have seen this claim.

      I do not doubt there are problems with the registration lists both in terms of overinclusion (thus why I periodically get CA jury summonses) and over exclusion.

      A “perfect” list would be extraordinarily difficult to maintain without a centralized authority. This is why I favor a national registry… basically just “is alive,” “is citizen,” “is felon,” “voting address,” and “has voted.” You could have universal registration, people could see their status and challenge it as needed, etc.

      The “Registration” process and “lists” have traditionally been the first line of defense against fraud. Unfortunately, in the name of “fairness” we have weakened that step to the point it is useless.

      Not saying you’re wrong… but could you supply some better support for this assertion?

      I’m fairly confident this is done on a state-by-state basis with some states being aggressive to purge roles and others being more… permissive.

      Registration could be waived if IN PERSON voting was required and that is combined with strict rules of Personal ID and proof of residency/citizenship/eligibility.

      As always, I have no objection whatsoever to stringent ID laws so long as you meet the following criteria:
      A) ID requirements are established and clear and made public far in advance of the voting date.
      B) Valid ID available at the DMV for free and during convenient hours of operations. (so 9-5 workers, say, don’t have to take time off work).

  25. Just A Citizen says:

    Our Governor has mobilized the National Guard to help with Covid response. Apparently we are reaching a CRISIS over lack of health nurses and doctors. Seems to many are sick with the Covid.

    Nobody has yet to see the irony in all this. Health care “professionals” have been lecturing us for months and demanding politicians place “mandatory mask orders” on the citizenry.

    Yet those people who have the greatest level of protective equipment and should know and practice the best procedures are not to sick to take care of the sick.

    Given all the talk about rationing healthcare and sending patients to other states can only lead me to conclude that the entire reason for the shutdown in March/April, that of “flattening the curve to allow time for healthcare facilities to prepare for the eventual outbreak”, was a waste of time and resources.

  26. One thing I do not understand is when poll watchers are blocked, why the police can not intervene and tell the head of the counting center to either allow the watchers to do their job or get their butt hauled to jail. There should be no tolerance for this nonsense. In the case in Philly where they had a court order, the judge should have issued warrants for contempt of court.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    This is very typical of the “Clark County” I grew up knowing. Gotta love it. “We don’t activley investigate fraud. We only investigate it when someone comes forward to report it.”

    As the author of the piece notes, you only investigate it when someone confesses.

    https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/14/how-ballot-fraud-in-nevada-works-and-the-gop-will-never-win-statewide-unless-the-process-changes-n280013

    • I’ve been saying for some time that it is all based on the honor system. While 95% of the people are honorable, there is the remainder that is not. In the that remainder are politicians as we are frequently reminded. So we place a critical right in the hands of the very ones we know would abuse it if given the chance. And then we act surprised when the revert to form.

  28. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    “What Have You Got To Hide?”

    That’s what came to mind yesterday when the PA Attorney General said under NO circumstances would there be a recount.

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Per the left, it was the suburbs that did Mr. Trump in. This is an interesting analysis.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/15/big-cities-biden-election-436529

    Contrary to the author’s claims, this does not explain 10 million more votes than Mr. Obama got when he swept the election.

  30. This is a paragraph left out of the final draft of the Declaration of Independence that was written and proposed by Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and the other members of the draft committee. It did not pass the unanimous test that was required by John Hancock. Only 11 of the 13 colonies approved of it. Virginia voted for it. The capitalization is Jefferson’s.

    “He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. this piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the CHRISTIAN king of Great Britain. determined to keep open a market where MEN should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or to restrain this execrable commerce: and that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, & murdering the people upon whom he also obtruded them; thus paying off former crimes committed against the liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another.”

    • Just A Citizen says:

      TRay

      Where did you find that? I have never seen it before. But it does capture what I perceived as the feeling of many of the Founders. Unfortunately S. Carolina was obnoxious to the whole idea of ending Slavery.

      • Dave Rubin posted a video Friday of an interview with Glen Beck. Beck has the original draft and was reading it. The draft had margin notations of edits made by the other committee members with their signatures. So I just searched for the original draft of the DofI. I too had never seen this. It puts a whole new light on the thoughts of the Continental Congress. I don’t know which 2 states vetoed the paragraph. It is too bad because it has caused so much grief.

  31. Just A Citizen says:
  32. 2020 is an odd year. North Western and Indiana lead the Big 10.

  33. A question for the gaggle:

    Trump et al is alleging massive voter fraud. To that end, he is suing left and right.

    I have been following what I can with interest, but he seems to be getting laughed out of court.

    A person heard another person who heard someone else admit to stuffing ballots..

    A guy who admitted to it, but then recanted, and turned out to have received 100k from a super-donor..

    A case where Trump’s lawyers were challenging 592 ballots based on errors related to failing to write the address on the security sleeve (or something to that effect):

    “I am asking you a specific question, and I am looking for a specific answer,” said Judge Richard P. Haaz. “Are you claiming that there is any fraud in connection with these 592 disputed ballots?”

    “To my knowledge at present, no,” Trump campaign attorney Jonathan Goldstein replied.

    And this chestnut:

    “I’m asking you as a member of the bar of this court,” Diamond said, invoking attorney’s responsibility to be honest. “Are people representing the plaintiffs in the room?”

    “Yes,” the lawyer said.

    “I’m sorry, then what’s your problem?”

    You could be forgiven for missing the nuance in this question, but if you pay attention to law as I try to do, the preface “I’m asking you as a member of the bar of this court” is a very important turn of phrase.

    This is a very, very explicit warning. This says: “Answer my question now, and do it honestly and clearly, or you are putting your law license at risk.”

    If you are a lawyer, and you ever get asked a question this way, it means you’re already in deep, deep trouble and the judge is throwing you a lifeline to save your hide.

    I saw this mentioned on several articles and blogs – and it jived with my understanding – but I went ahead and double-checked with a few lawyers in my family who all emphatically agreed.

    —————

    SOOOOOooooooo……

    With all that said, here is my question: If there was massive voter fraud, and Trump knows it’s true, and he can prove it, then why is the evidence he is presenting in court so bad?

    • A question for the gaggle Ahhhh…another word to add to my list. I was wondering what we were,,,,,gaggle sounds good. Now, rumor has it that the World Organization of Geese is taking exception to the use of the word. It is shaming, they claim, because it seems that the word has been assigned to a disorderly or noisy group of people.

      A quick fact check in my Websters New World Collegiate Dictionary, that I have had since 1965, does not assign the people version as Google and the internet does. So, I wonder, if the World Organization of Geese have a wing to stand on and that associating them with the definition coming from Google, who wants to change the world, is demeaning and shaming.

      “Have you never seen a gaggle of geese flying? Hardly disorganized nor disorderly. We are a little loud because it serves as a warning to all low flying aircraft that we are around and if you suck us into your engines, it will be harmful to your health.” the gaggle leader has said. “Besides, we “honk” to also draw attention to you land walkers that we are very pretty to watch in flight and your children get a good look at migratory birds and what nature is all about.”

      SO, referring humans to a gaggle is shaming and they, the geese, do not like it at all. Perhaps you could find another word, sir?

    • I find some of these questions asked by the judge curious. How much circumstantial evidence does one need, to ask for the court to give you access to the information needed to prove the accusations or to get a recount, audit, etc.

      • I’m a little busy at present, but if you want to (and are able to) dig up the actual court ruling (as distinct from the reporting on the ruling), I’ll be happy to put on my lawyer hat and break it down as much as I can.

  34. NOT CONFIRMED…………….After hearing about people moving in from out of state to vote in the Georgia Senate runoffs, the Texas Legislature, which only convenes every two years, will take up citizenry issues. Right now, you have 30 days in which to change your registration if you move to Texas…..Driver’s license, etc. Apparently, there are several legislators that want to change the requirement that you cannot change your status after moving to Texas for 6 months. Be interesting to see what happens with this. Since the Texas legislature is Republican, my guess is that it will pass easily. Redistricting begins in January as well.

    • Hmmm… I’m a bit torn here….

      On the one hand, it’s clear from your implications that there are thousands of out-of-staters moving in just for the purpose of influencing the election and that’s bad, m’kay.

      And I appreciate that the state legislature gets to make the rules regarding voting eligibility.

      But, on the other hand, this does feel an awful lot like more of “the state choosing the voters” rather than the other way around, and Mathius no like that.

      Mr. The Colonel.. let me flip this around on you a tiny bit… (A) would Texas be within its rights to say “only current residents who were born in Texas can vote in Texas” and (B) how would you feel about such a law?

      • The Colonel, taking a page out of the Mathius book of looking around the Tiger pit…..( you do not make it to Colonel without knowing how to sidestep a few land mines )…………

        First… it’s clear from your implications that there are thousands of out-of-staters moving in just for the purpose of influencing the election and that’s bad, m’kay. No, it is not clear that I said that…as a matter of fact I did NOT say that. The issue in Georgia has raised a very interesting question. To solve future problems that MAY arise, since Texas is one of the popular states to relocate in, the Texas Legislature is being proactive. Solve the problem before it becomes a problem.

        Second….. this does feel an awful lot like more of “the state choosing the voters” rather than the other way around, and Mathius no like that. The state is choosing no one. Anyone wishing to relocate must pass a stronger barrier before becoming a quasi-citizen. We do not care if you are from Mars and a representative of the Order of Flying Purple People Eaters…you can become eligible for stuff after 6 months.

        Third… (A) would Texas be within its rights to say “only current residents who were born in Texas can vote in Texas” Ohhh, come now, Sir Mathius, you used to be much better at this or I am learning your tactics. You and I both know, that the only true residents of Texas used to wear feathers in their hair…..aside from this, Texas is a free state..or as much as we can make it that way….there would be no restrictions on anyone after the 6 months.

        Fourth….how would you feel about such a law? You have not had your Red Bull this morning, have you? Really now, I am not going to fall into the hypothetical hypocritical trap. (Try saying that 10 times real fast without Red Bull)…..I would not like such a law and you know this.

        ====================

        Special Note to DPM: How long did you keep Sir Mathius in your hold?

        • Canine Weapon says:

          Order of Flying Purple People Eaters…

          Great… now I’ve got that stuck in my head…

          Special Note to DPM: How long did you keep Sir Mathius in your hold?

          What makes you think he ever let him out?

          • What makes you think he ever let him out? Good point!

          • Great… now I’ve got that stuck in my head… It is an awful ear worm, isn’t it? Reminds me of the time I took the kids to Disney in Florida back in the early 80’s…..getting stuck on the little boat ride where the theme song was “It’s a Small World After All”….the ride was stuck for about 30 minutes….would not move…but that damned song was in our ears for ever….I still hate that song.

  35. Another question for the gaggle:

    If the Democrats were so effective at rigging the election, why did they lose seats in the House and fail to capture the senate?

    • I think the answer if obvious……….they could f+++ up a one car funeral procession.

      • Canine Weapon says:

        Shroedinger’s Democrat: so sophisticated they can rig dozens of elections by millions of votes to elect their candidate without a single court-worthy trace…. simultaneously too incompetent to win down-ballot races held on the same ballots.

        • Shroedinger’s Democrat…….Now THAT is funny….Other than his cat, I bet Shroedinger did not think his philosophy would move forward.

          • I bet Shroedinger did not think his philosophy would move forward.

            He didn’t.

            Shoredinger poses his thought experiment as a humorous way of intuitively debunking quantum theory. He and Einstein saw (mostly) eye-to-eye in the belief that the universe must be deterministic and not probabilistic. The idea that a waveform had to be observed in order to collapse, he thought, might be expedient at the smallest levels where we were (he presumed) missing a key component, but it was obviously false when extrapolated into the macro universe.

            He came around toward the end (unlike Einstein who wasted the later half of his life trying to debunk quantum theory). And he gave us the famous Schroedinger equations which, frankly, make my head swim.

            It’s kind of ironic that the man should be best known for a thought experiment which was largely taken out of context and misunderstood and which he, himself, never really meant to be taken seriously or literally.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Hmm really suspicious that. Imagine electing all those Trump supporters on the down ballot but NOT electing Trump! Boy that makes a whole lot of sense.

        • Sounds like a lot of split ticketers… you know… like my wife.. and my mother in law… and my brother in law… and my father in law (but only because my mother in law threatened him)…

          • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

            As I said before, You elect TRUMP supporters but not TRUMP? Now, that’s not any split ticket I’ve ever seen played out. In 64 Goldwater took the party down. In 32, Hoover took the party down. In 76, Nixon/Watergate took the party down. In ’18 TRUMP/fake collusion took the party down.

            Your position flunks Occam’s razor!

            Besides, if everything is Kosher, who cares about a recount? If it turns out there was no “systemic” fraud Trump (fat, orange, Cheeto man) just looks worse. But, then again …..

            Love “systemic” as a word, it replaced “existential” (as in threat) rather nicely last summer. The left’s new buzzword.

    • That’s a easy question to answer. The time to fill out an illegal ballot is lessened by only voting for Prez.

      But I do wonder, if 21 million more people voted for Prez, then the other stuff should have seen a decent increase as well. If not, then why not?

  36. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    Just finished Jeff Sharra’s book on the Chosin campaign at the start of Korean War.

    On this 70th anniversary of the entry of the Chinese into the War where they were willing to sacrifice over 350,000 soldiers sending them out in SNEAKERS in 30 below zero weather, I have a question or two.

    Latest statistics from China indicate that the Wuhan virus not only did not have a fourth, third nor even a second round in its country of origin, but, latest reports indicate total Chinese deaths were approximately 8,000!

    While the West is in total chaos and has suffered exponentially compared to China, China just keeps chugging along, grabbing up Hong Kong (without a whimper) along the way and now surging their industrial/economic base forward dramatically while we are hunkered in our bunkers.

    Now, I was only turning four when November ’50 rolled around but I was alive well and in my prime for the Cultural Revolution of ’68 when they went on another killing spree. Does it not bear speculation that what we have seen here, under president for LIFE Xi, that 8,000 is a very small price to pay for such dominance?

  37. John Oliver puts it more succinctly than I can:

    “And that has been something of a pattern here: the Trump team making claim of widespread fraud publicly, but there then being a huge dropoff when it comes to what they’re actually filling in court.”

    If their claims are true and substantiated, why are they not bringing the bigger allegations into court?

    • Testing the waters (more exposure), and not dumb enough to play it out in the media?

      • Testing the waters

        I have no idea what “testing the waters” means in this context.

        What waters? What is he testing? How does filing (and losing) frivolous lawsuits accomplish anything?

        “more exposure”?

        To what end? If it’s legit, get it into court and win. Clock’s ticking.

        Otherwise, what is the point here? He has plenty of “exposure” and “exposure” is worthless unless he gets the courts to back him.

        “Exposure” is good for only one thing: making supporters believe the election was stolen.

        “and not dumb enough to play it out in the media?”

        1) First of all, he is absolutely dumb enough.

        2) Secondly, he IS playing it out in the media. What in the world can you possibly mean by him not being dumb enough to play it out in the media. That’s exactly what he is doing and exactly what I’m asking about – he’s litigating this in the court of public opinion rather than the courts – and my interpretation is that he’s doing so because the rules of evidence let him make sweeping unsubstantiated claims via tweet that he can’t make in court. That’s why I am suggesting he isn’t bringing this into court – because he can’t. And if he can’t, why not? What does that say?

        3) And third of all, this doesn’t address – at all – the question of why he’s making big sweeping claims publicly, but filing only minor/frivolous suits in the courts.

        • I’m saying that we don’t know yet what’s up his sleeve because he hasn’t let it out yet. He hints at it with his tweet but he’s not going to show his hand yet. Testing the waters…. Someone might slip? I really don’t know. I know his legal team isn’t known as losers. They all have powerful wins on their records. We’re in a gap of feelings because we don’t know everything. You don’t either. One thing is sure. It smells awfully fishy. So just like with the Russia conspiracy…like YOU said….Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

          • like YOU said….Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

            No.

            Where there’s smoke, there’s something worth looking into.

            If the election “smells fishy” to you, then you should investigate and look into it. But that doesn’t mean you’re right and that there IS fire.

            I’m saying that we don’t know yet what’s up his sleeve because he hasn’t let it out yet.

            Fair enough – obviously, I don’t follow Trump on Twitter, so I must have missed this.

            That said, what say you if he NEVER files his bombshell case?

            Or he does and it gets laughed out of court?

            • I’m not getting into a guessing game. Let’s just wait this period out.

            • That said, what say you if he NEVER files his bombshell case? Or he does and it gets laughed out of court? Not much……the Russian case had no bottom either and no one cares….

              • The point, mon Colonel, is that Trump is making big claims. Wouldn’t a lack of legal follow-through suggest that he has no (good) evidence to back them up?

            • The point, mon Colonel, is that Trump is making big claims. Wouldn’t a lack of legal follow-through suggest that he has no (good) evidence to back them up?

              Yes, my point was, it will go down in the annals of the Russia probe….a nothing burger. Remember, Schiff said he had proof positive but never revealed it……If Trump has the evidence, then show it and show it quickly. If he waits for the hail Mary pass….it will end up the same as the majority of hail Mary passes……incomplete and no one thinks past it.

  38. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    “It is NOT important who votes, It is important who counts the votes”……. Josef Stalin

  39. Question for Cjief Justice Mathius: We will make an assumption here. Assume that this Dominion Software, which is the same software used all over the world apparently, is flawed and actually changed votes and changed votes in 27 states that used it……what would you do?

    Question for Citizen Mathius: Would you be for a re-vote in those affected areas?

    Question for DPM: Do you give a shit?

    Question for Canine Weapon: What happens when the PC Police only allow dry dog food forever.

    • Question for Cjief Justice Mathius: We will make an assumption here.

      The “Cjief” Justice gives the colonel a whithering glare but allows him to proceed.

      Assume that this Dominion Software, which is the same software used all over the world apparently, is flawed and actually changed votes and changed votes in 27 states that used it……what would you do?

      JUSTICE Mathius: CYBERSEC SPECIALIST Mathius, care to weigh in first?

      CYBERSEC SPECIALIST Mathius: VOTES SHOULD NEVER BE CAST ELECTRONICALLY. THEY SHOULDN’T BE COUNTED ELECTRONICALLY. ELECTRONICS SHOULDN’T BE ALLOWED IN THE SAME ROOM. IF SOMEONE BRINGS A TOASTER WITHIN A MILE OF A VOTING LOCATION, THEY SHOULD BE SHOT.

      JUSTICE Mathius: Err.. thank you for that… ok…

      JUSTICE Mathius: So… if the software is flawed-

      CYBERSEC SPECIALIST Mathius: WEREN’T YOU LISTENING?!? THE SOFTWARE IS SHIT! THE SECURITY IS SHIT! IT’S ALL SHIT! NONE OF IT CAN BE TRUSTED!!!!!!!

      JUSTICE Mathius: Thank you for your opinion… As I was saying… if votes were changed-

      CYBERSEC SPECIALIST Mathius: HOW WOULD YOU KNOW IF VOTES ARE CHANGED IF THE COMPUTERS THAT TELL YOU THEY WERE CHANGES ARE GARBAGE!?! YOU CAN’T TRUST THE MACHINES!!!

      ::BAILIFF Mathius drags CYBERSEC SPECIALIST Mathius out of the room and into a waiting padded wagon::

      JUSTICE Mathius: OK. So. Let’s just take your question at face value, shall we? If the machines changed the vote totals materially – AND YOU CAN PROVE IT (or at least, the convincing likelihood to my satisfaction), then the votes need to be recounted. If they cannot be recounted, they need to be revoted.

      JUSTICE Mathius: I would apologize for the inconvenience of this ruling, but frankly, I don’t give a shit.

      Question for Citizen Mathius: Would you be for a re-vote in those affected areas?

      Hell no! My guy won!

      Err.. I mean.. umm… no, it’s too late and we have to have trust in the process… yes… that’s definitely it…

    • The Dread Pirate Mathius says:

      Question for DPM: Do you give a shit?

      Not a bit.

    • Canine Weapon says:

      Question for Canine Weapon: What happens when the PC Police only allow dry dog food forever.

      We deal with it appropriately.

  40. Thoughts?

    • (Disclaimer: this quote is misattributed – it is taken from a 1978 book on Goebbels, wherein the author reviewed Goebbels’s diary during the 1940’s. It is therefore a reasonable attribution of his beliefs and mindset, but should not be construed as literal words that he actually spoke. Goebbels always maintained publicly that propaganda had to be truthful, though, of course, this was not borne out in practice.)

    • Looking at it from the control side, he was/is entirely correct. Misinformation works beautifully and it controls the mass. Truth is unimportant….see Russia collusion….and it is ENTIRELY emotion.

  41. Taking bets: what percentage of Trump’s Twitter followers disappear once the EC votes Biden in?

    I’m taking over/unders on 10%

    I’d say much higher, but something like 60% of his “followers” are bots or inactive accounts, so they obviously won’t be dropping him. So my 10% is really like saying he’ll lose a quarter in the next few months.

    (Note: while Trump might have an inordinately high percentage of bot-followers, he’s not such an outlier. Clinton is something like 40%. That’s just how things work in the Twitter-verse.)

  42. Has anyone here heard of “Parler” and/or used it or know someone who has?

    • Yes sir…..My spousal unit is on it. She dropped Facebook and Twitter completely. Several of the wives of servicemen are on it, having dropped Facebook and Twitter…….I have several friends that have just switched to it.

      I am not on it nor any Social Media…..this is the only one I am on.

    • I created an account and have followed maybe 20 people. I haven’t posted anything, just read along. I’m wondering now though about how well it will go with the masses. The Mercers have joined the investment. From what I’ve read, they (The Mercers) invested in Breitbart early on and turned it into a data mine. What that actually means, who knows.

      • Anything interesting?

        I’m hearing that liberals are getting banned and that it’s a rather extremist echo chamber. But, you know, I won’t believe that until I hear it from you directly.

        Additionally, I thought I heard that you need to provide photo-ID to authenticate – I’m unclear if this was “to join” or “to get verified”.. can you clarify?

        • It really is an echo chamber right now. I’ve seen exactly one lefty so far since around August when I joined.

          You need to provide your phone # on initial set up. That’s so they can send you a verification code to finalize the set up. I could go on there as Pollyanna as long as I give a true phone #.

          • It really is an echo chamber right now. I’ve seen exactly one lefty so far since around August when I joined.

            Interesting.

            A) do you see any benefit in participating in an echo chamber?
            B) do you see any potential harm in such an echo chamber existing on a large scale?
            C) I get that you only follow a handful of people, but does it skew toward more extremist views in the broader environment?

            You need to provide your phone # on initial set up.

            Interesting..

            • A) do you see any benefit in participating in an echo chamber?
              B) do you see any potential harm in such an echo chamber existing on a large scale?
              C) I get that you only follow a handful of people, but does it skew toward more extremist views in the broader environment?

              Isn’t this what Facebook and Twitter do?

            • A) Sure. Its good for community organizing. Also good for links to info of interest.
              B) Nah. Our side isn’t prone to violence.
              C) I’ll transfer a few Parleys to show what’s up. I’ll try to copy one first and we’ll see what happens. Never tried this yet…..Nevermind…the share button shared it to my clipboard…I have no idea where my clipboard is. I’ll post the first few from my timeline..

              Dan Bongino…this Parley leads to an article at his website 332k views 717 comments
              Support for gun control falls as the U.S. sees record gun sales in 2020

              Trish Regan….leads to an interview with Sidney Powell 189kviews 464 comments
              Sidney Powell: What does CIA know about ‘Dominion System’? – Trish Intel

              Legal Insurrection…leads to an article on Young Kim 37k views 9 comments…posted 1 hr ago
              Kim will be joined by two Florida Latino Republicans, who flipped their districts red.

              American Greatness posted 23 min ago, an article on the arrest of a man for shooting fireworks at the rally Saturday 16k views 15 comments.

              So really…anything there can be found elsewhere on the internet anyway.

        • Nothing interesting except the difficulty getting past something called capcha…..but it does not require any form of ID other than your phone number to sign up, or so I am told. It is supposedly free of censorship except bullying. They will censor a bully. It is having a tremendous growth and the platform was not ready to handle it…..so there are apparently start up problems. But will inquire more.

          I thought spousal unit was on it but she is thinking about it. The left has discovered it and the complaints are that it is a site for white supremacists. So, the left is undoubtedly flooding the site with innuendo and such but they are not censored unless it gets to name calling and personal stuff that should not be on there.

          As I said, will inquire more about it.

          • I’m sick of FB and have never been on Twitter, and have heard for several months about Parler so am looking into it. Here is a quote from an article I found on Vocal.com called Parler 101: How to use the free speech social media platform:

            “Parler launched in August 2018 as a non-partisan free-speech social media platform. A slow-growing network, it took about a year to cross the 200,000 user threshold. In late June 2020, when Twitter banned Carple Donktum and Raheem Kassam, #parler started trending. By July 2nd, Parler had 2 million users. Parler reportedly processed 1.5 million user accounts in the second week of July.

            Contrary to popular belief, Parler never sought to become a platform for conservatives. As of July 18th, a “progressive bounty” of $20,000 offered to liberal pundits with at least 50,000 followers on Twitter or Facebook has not been claimed.“

            If I am reading that correctly, Parler is actively trying to attract liberals to join the platform. Perhaps since most liberals aren’t unhappy with the censoring of conservatives on FB and Twitter they have no real reason to switch over. I could be snarky and say that most liberals don’t like free speech anymore, but I don’t believe that at all. I just think most liberals are still ok with Twitter and FB since it’s not not their free speech ox getting gored. At least not yet.

            Murf

          • I posted a comment which hasn’t shown up, but when I try to re-post I get a message saying I already posted it. Several refreshing attempts of the page haven’t helped.

            Gman?

            Murf

    • Yes, I have. I’m not on it but CNN says it’s a threat to Democracy which means it’s WAAAAYYYY better than Twitter and Facebook. Plus, the owner has already said that there will not be any censorship like the other two. No wonder CNN hates it.

  43. I wonder……why doesn’t Biden or Harris condemn the recent violence? Why are they not condemning the kicking and sucker punching of the elderly in Washington DC?

    • Where have they been, period. I saw him riding a bike but haven’t seen her at all.

    • Wow…every time I see the video of the young black kids sucker punching elderly whites and when they fall to the ground, stomp on them and kick them….it makes my blood boil.

      Mathius, like it or not, this is the reputation that BLM is getting……and you want empathy?

      • I wonder……why doesn’t Biden or Harris condemn the recent violence?</b.

        Because they aren't in office?

        Because it's not their job to respond to everything you think they should?

        Why are they not condemning the kicking and sucker punching of the elderly in Washington DC?

        Some guy cold-cocked Rick Moranis a little while back.. he was just walking down the street and got punched in the face by a big, young, man who was, yes, black…. Moranis is a tiny 60-something year old. That guy needs either (and they aren’t mutually exclusive) extensive psychiatric care or a whole lot of jail.

        But I don’t think you paint the whole of BLM with that brush. I think that’s unfair. I’d wager that almost none of them have ever punched random strangers on the street, nor would they condone it.

        and you want empathy?

        Not for people like that.

        I really wish you’d stop conflating what I do and not support / condone. I expect it from some people, but you know better and, frankly, I expect more from you.

        I support the idea that black people are people, equal to you and me, and worthy of equal treatment and equal justice in life, in society, and under the law. I oppose aggressive police tactics which, too often result in unnecessary death. And I oppose police who straight up murder people – including black people. I think that all lives matter, and that this includes by necessity black lives.

        I do NOT support violence, looting, mayhem, rioting, or other forms of criminal behavior. This is regardless of whether it might feel justified, whether it’s “just venting” or whether it’s opportunistic and done under the pretext/guise of the above-mentioned goals of BLM.

        Insofar as there is a “movement” or “party” or “organization” which controls and manifests what it means to “support” “Black Lives Matter,” I support those actions, goals, and aims which support the things I have said, above, that I support. And I oppose those actions, goals, and aims which are in keeping with the things, above, that I have said I do not support.

        You now know where I stand and what I support and do not support.

        I hope this has cleared up any confusion.

        Acting like I want empathy for the bad actors because I generally support BLM is like me suggesting you want empathy for the operators of child sweat-shops because you support capitalism. You can support the “good” of a general movement without supporting everything done under its broadest auspices.

        • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

          Always there to excuse the inexcusable. Looky here, imagine if it were your little girl?

          about 30 seconds in.

          • In all these videos we have seen this summer, take the videographers out and what you have left is mostly unpeaceful people. Don’t try to feed me that it is a few bad actors.

            As for Rick Moranis, is there any evidence the attack was political? If so show your work.

            Once again, Mathius, you use all the right weasel words to show you are innocent but in the end you vote for and support the very people that tolerate and cheer on this violence by their silence and lack of action or by actively propagating the lies that encourage. Innocent you are not.

            • As for Rick Moranis, is there any evidence the attack was political? If so show your work.

              Not that I know of – so far as I’m aware it was a senseless act of violence by a serial offender who has attacked several other people in this manner and has several convictions to his credit.

              Basically, a violent hooligan who is (probably) mentally unwell and ought to be locked up (whether jail or psych ward, I can’t opine at this time).

              Once again, Mathius, you use all the right weasel words to show you are innocent

              I’m not aware of attacking anyone….

              but in the end you vote for and support the very people that tolerate and cheer on this violence by their silence and lack of action or by actively propagating the lies that encourage.

              Ah, stuff it.

              I don’t get to hold you accountable for every bad thing done by, or permitted by, or passively allowed by any and every party tangentially related to the people you vote for.

              You aren’t guilty of, say, ordering park police to gas a peaceful protest so you could take a virtue-signaling photo op with an upside-down bible.

              What? You voted for Trump – twice – so therefore you’re guilty of his every act, right? And every act by everyone he appointed, too, right? That’s how this works now? Nonsense.

              You can support the things you believe are good in your candidate and your party while opposing the bad. And so can I.

              I support the good aims and actions of BLM and oppose the bad. Your view is the same wielded by extremists everywhere to justify “total warfare.” “Oh, yes, we’re justified in crashing a plane into a building full of civilians because those civilians pay taxes and support the government which does things we don’t like. Those civilians, therefore, aren’t innocent, but are guilty of all the crimes they are a party to.” That’s the “logic” you’re deploying. Mathius votes for Democrats and supports the general notion of BLM, therefore he is guilty of all crimes, however tangential, related to either group. Fuck that noise.

              By this logic, I hold you guilty of the Mail Lai massacre.

              Innocent you are not.

          • I need you to put on your thinking hat and consider reeeeeeaaaaaaaallllllly carefully what I wrote.

            Always there to excuse the inexcusable.

            What did I say that I support and what did I say that I oppose?

            Did I excuse anything that you would consider inexcusable?

            If so – specifically – what?

            • The Germans remained silent and justified what went on in their streets in the 1930s. The said Hitler had good intentions too. Look where that led.

              • And you remained silent when the man you voted for had park police tear gas a legal and peaceful protest.

                Therefore you are just as bad as those who remained silent in the run up to the Nazis.

                Or something.

                Fuck it.

                I’m tired.

                I’m just so goddamned tired.

                Whatever, man.

                Think what you want.

                I’m not going to fight with you about this kind of thing anymore.

        • Mathius….

          I was not even talking about Rick Moranis…I did not even know he was attacked until you mentioned it. I was referring to the Washington DC BLM/Antifa crowd that was attacking the Trump march. This has been showing over and over on the news in Texas….there were three separate incidents where a couple, aged 72, were sucker punched by three young black kids. There was another man shown knocked to the ground and then his head stomped on and then kicked by another group of black kids, and then the final one was a man in his 70’s that fought back when he was punched and they tried to take his MAGA hat….also by young black kids.

          The videos were/are apparently posted on Facebook and U tube by the attackers that filmed it and laughed at it.

          This is what I am referring to..the incidents like this that do not make the news very often but are happening with regularity across the Nation. They wear there little hoodies and masks like some Marxist rebel faction. They are part of the BLM movement by their dress and mannerisms.
          ====================
          Below is the BLM Movement and, if you support it, then color me surprised and I would have thought more from you.

          BLM co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation.She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.

          The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.

          It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.

          Patrisse Cullors said, in an interview, that she embraces the civil unrest on the streets and that if burning and looting is what it takes to get what you want, then that is the way forward.
          ================================

          Your words to me above indicate that you do not suport the burning and looting and the attacks on innocent people, but the founder of BLM says otherwise. I see the BLM movement as a pretense to what this woman espouses and it is written in plain English. No one argues with you over police tactics. I certainly do not. But, I will not write off “sucker punching” any one as simply a mental instability issue. There is pure hatred out on the street today. It was not created by Trump…one can argue it was created by Obama quite easily because he did not try to end the divide in this country. The Lyndon Johnson experiment has failed miserably and it has grown to this BLM/Antifa (I do not see the difference between the two) crap.

          You are a big believer in using the law, per se (you and I will never agree on selective enforcement)….so if you have a rogue cop, let the courts handle it and throw them in jail.

          You wrote the following: I support the idea that black people are people, equal to you and me, and worthy of equal treatment and equal justice in life, in society, and under the law. I know of no one that disagrees with this statement, including me, and I grew up in the 50’s and 60’s.
          I oppose aggressive police tactics which, too often result in unnecessary death. And I oppose police who straight up murder people – including black people. I think that all lives matter, and that this includes by necessity black lives. I know of no one that does not agree with this statement. Where I do disagree with you and others….Blacks and Latinos ARE NOT singled out. I disagree with manipulating statistics to make it appear so.

          You go on to say: I do NOT support violence, looting, mayhem, rioting, or other forms of criminal behavior. Cool beans as you have said this before.

          This is regardless of whether it might feel justified, whether it’s “just venting” or whether it’s opportunistic and done under the pretext/guise of the above-mentioned goals of BLM. Violence of this type is NEVER justified and as far as the pretext of mentioned goals of BLM…..they are Marxists. Full stop. There is no justification in this country for Marxizm or its tactics.

          Now, mind you, I am talking of violence. Throwing fire works at sitting customers is a Marxist tactic. There is no justification. Sucker punching people is a Marxist tactic, there is no justification, spray painting and destroying public and private property is a Marxist tactic..there is no justification. Looting and theft is a Marxist tactic…there is no justification. Tearing down statues is a Marxist tactic…..there is no justification….oh, hell….you know the list better than I.

          No sir, there is nothing in the BLM Movement that deserves empathy from me…nor should it from you. Their own website says it all. Read it and the links. It should bother you.

          ——————————————–

          All this said, in this country so far, you and I can disagree without brown or black berets kicking in our doors. You and I can stay civil and disagree…which we do……BUT…..uou do associate with some…shall we say….less than desired persons…….dog…..horse…..and I understand that being held in the hold of a rustic old ship can be exasperating at times….

          • Your words to me above indicate that you do not suport the burning and looting and the attacks on innocent people, but the founder of BLM says otherwise.

            Then fuck them.

            I don’t care what they say.

            I support the things -I- say I support.

            I know you support America, but I highly doubt you support everything said by the Founding Fathers. For example, I’m sure you don’t agree that only white male Christian landowners should get to vote – but you can support the ideals of this country while rejecting the ideological flaws baked into it and held by its founders.

            But, I will not write off “sucker punching” any one as simply a mental instability issue. There is pure hatred out on the street today.

            I don’t disagree.

            It was not created by Trump…

            I never said it was.

            one can argue it was created by Obama quite easily because he did not try to end the divide in this country.

            One could, but then one would be wrong.

            so if you have a rogue cop, let the courts handle it and throw them in jail.

            Sounds good to me…. and to BLM the average black person who supports the idea of BLM.

            But you’ll have to get through that Blue Wall.. and you’ll have to fix qualified immunity.. and you’ll have to do something about all those oh-so-convenient body-cam failures.

            Where I do disagree with you and others….Blacks and Latinos ARE NOT singled out. I disagree with manipulating statistics to make it appear so.

            Statistics are complicated. You may be right. I may be right.

            All I can say – and I think you’ll agree with me – is that IF such a bias exists and that black/latino people are disproportionately affected by aggressive over-policing or police-violence, etc.. that IF that situation exists, that it shouldn’t, and we shouldn’t permit it to continue.

            There is no justification in this country for Marxizm or its tactics.

            I honestly don’t know what this means.

            We have plenty of Maxism in America… it’s not overwhelming, but it’s there for anyone to look at… every “employee owned” company, for example.

            Looting and theft is a Marxist tactic…there is no justification.

            Looting and theft is just looting and theft.

            Gary wants a new couch, Gary takes advantage of the protests to smash a window. And now Gary has a new couch. This has nothing to do with “Marxist tactics” unless it’s coordinated and tactical and aimed at some goal.. and I don’t think you’ve made that case. The far readier explanation is that Gary is an opportunistic asshole who wanted a free couch.

            Tearing down statues is a Marxist tactic

            So was it Marxism when allied troops tore down a statue of Sadam?

            Tearing down statues is a Marxist tactic

            Or maybe… maybe… we could accept some of the arguments made at face value… people don’t think there should be monuments to people who died defending the right to own other people.

            No sir, there is nothing in the BLM Movement that deserves empathy from me…nor should it from you. Their own website says it all. Read it and the links. It should bother you.

            I am disinterested in what someone put on a website claiming to speak for the whole of the black community.

            I support what I support.

            I oppose what I oppose.

            If the broader movement is as you describe, I think even you would admit that some percentage of “everyman” within it views it as I do – and with them I align myself.

            BUT…..uou do associate with some…shall we say….less than desired persons…….

            As do you.

            I find your support for Trump and his enablers every bit as… undesirable as I’m sure you find my empathy for BLM.

            dog…..horse…..and I understand that being held in the hold of a rustic old ship can be exasperating at times….

            I can escape anytime I want.

            • As do you.

              I find your support for Trump and his enablers every bit as… undesirable as I’m sure you find my empathy for BLM. Actually, I was trying to be funny….it did not work, I see….I was referring to the undesirables as the dog, horse, Pirate……….

              • But… I don’t associate with any of them..

                My relationship with the pirate would best be described as open hostility and I’ve never even met Canine or Equine…

  44. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

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  45. U.S.—After the Church of Satan complained on Twitter that Target was selling Bibles, the retailer quickly apologized and pulled the Bible from its shelves.

    The Church of Satan complained that the book was “Satanophobic.” Its tweet got 666 retweets, and Target jumped into action, immediately responding to the tweet that the book was pulled from shelves.

    “Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We have removed this book from our assortment,” Target replied after the single complaint. Target went on to reaffirm its commitment to Satanic rights and Satanic Pride, announcing that Target will once again be a proud supporter of Satanic Pride Month this year.

    Target walked back their decision after public outcry and say they will reverse their decision again if there is further outcry over the decision reversal.

    • I would agree.

      I might also point out that the inverse is also true.

      If your fanatical adulation for one man is greater than your love for this country, then you are also the problem.

      • Questions. What does the USA look like in the next 4 years if Biden gets the win? Green New Deal? Lock downs with no end? Forced vaccination? More regulations? Antifa…does it die? BLM…where do we go with that? Does Joe get forced out? How about the Squad? Does Nancy keep her spot? What about troop deployments? What about America first? What about USMCA? Do we go back to Nafta? Does the wall get finished? Serious questions.

        • Anita,

          What does the USA look like in the next 4 years if Biden gets the win?

          He got the win. We’re just waiting on Trump to admit that fact.

          Green New Deal?

          No. McConnel won’t let anything move in the Senate.. good, bad, or indifferent, the Red Team will grind this administration to a screeching halt as it did with Obama and then insist that it’s Obama’s Biden’s fault that he didn’t get anything done.

          Even if we could agree that the Green New Deal was long-term accretive – and I know we can’t – there’s no way to get there without outlays upfront. And the Red Team is 100% going to rediscover fiscal conservatism to the point where there won’t be a single penny available in all of Washington to fund anything Biden wants to accomplish. Even if everyone agreed it was good, Red Team would argue “I wish we could, but the debt…..” and then look sad and helpless at the predicament.

          Lock downs with no end?

          Doubtful.

          Biden might push through some kind of national mask mandate or temporary restrictions, but even that I doubt. The second he tried, it’d be pushed into court and shot down immediately.

          That’s not to say he wouldn’t want to… just that I don’t think he’ll be able to.

          There are a lot of levers a President can pull, however, and there might be some kind of arangement he can work out with the governors.. but even so, so many of them will be overtly hostile that I don’t think there’s any progress to be made here. I expect him to fruitlessly band his head against the wall while stymied at every turn by Red Team, meanwhile, Red Team will loudly demand to know why Biden hasn’t fixed everything with a snap of his fingers and lamenting the tremendous death toll under his failed leadership. And, of course, the idiots on Blue Team will join in blaming Biden for his failure on this.

          As for “no end,” nonsense. The end is in sight. The vaccine is coming sooner or later and, when it does, that’s the end of this. Almost certainly, the “oh shit” portion of all this ends before we’re all vaccinated.

          Forced vaccination?

          Nope. Not now, not ever. And I will resist any effort to force anyone to vaccinate against their will.

          That said, there might be – and should be – mandates that, for example, you cannot attend public school if you’re not vaccinated.

          A lot of this is going to boil down to uptake. If people happily get vaccinated at a high enough rate (and if they keep up with whatever boosters are necessary), then there’s no real issue here. If we start getting anti-vax movements that keep Corona outbreaks ongoing… well… that’s a different matter.

          I don’t know whether it will be from hippy Seattle soccer mom idiots on the left or from Q-Anon idiots on the right (or both), but there will be a sizeable number of people who, for whatever reason, refuse to get vaccinated and make everything just so much damned harder than it needs to be. And, of course, whatever it is, Biden will get blamed.

          More regulations?

          Almost certainly. But, again, not legislatively.

          Antifa…does it die?

          Probably? It sprung up mostly to resist Trump, I think. Without Trump, it loses its raison d’être. It’ll probably stagger along in some limited capacity, I suppose, but it won’t be “Anitfa” as you know it or the boogeyman the right makes it out to be.

          Then again, Fox et al flogged the ACORN dead horse for years after it was disbanded… so I guess we should expect the same with ANTIFA.

          BLM…where do we go with that?

          I suppose much of this depends on how things go.

          Joe is…. not great historically on black-policing… he seems to have had an oh-so-convenient “come to Jesus” moment and realized the error of his past ways, but who knows? Not me.

          I imagine that, if things get better (spoiler: they won’t), then BLM goes the way of the dodo having, also lost its reason for being.

          If they stay the same, BLM will flare up whenever there’s a relevant innocent black man murdered on camera by police, but Biden will make all the right mouth-sounds and nothing will change.

          If they get worse, we can expect the Blue Team to get gutted by exiting African Americans. Maybe they’ll form their own far-left party? But I think, if the Blue Team lets them down too badly under Biden, they’re close to the point of giving up on Blue Team altogether.

          … then again, that depends on whether Red Team presents as so belligerent and hostile to them that they feel they have no other choice…. to many variables here…

          Does Joe get forced out?

          No.

          How about the Squad?

          No.

          Does Nancy keep her spot?

          Yes.

          What about troop deployments?

          What about them?

          What about America first?

          You and I have different views of “America first.”

          I won’t try to paint you with this brush, but I will say that SOME people would rather eat the whole pie rather a smaller piece of a much bigger whole. Trump’s mindset seems to have always been “take everything I can get, every last red cent, and leave nothing for anyone else if I can help it.” And that breeds animosity and instability. A wealthy and stable world is good for America… and if that means we leave scraps on the table or pay more than “our fair share,” so be it. It’s ok. It’s better for us – and the world – in the long term.

          What about USMCA?

          What about it?

          Do we go back to Nafta?

          I would presume so.

          Does the wall get finished?

          No.

        • All part of politics, Anita. There is nothing else to say. Speculation, at this point, is futile. Wait and see what happens. Biden is in…make no mistake about that. There is nothing that Trump can do to stop it., He can fight to the very end if he wishes and he has a right to do so….but it is inevitable. So, focus on the next election in 2 years and flip the house….

          I do not think that the Senate will become tied. I think the repubs will take the Senate by a 51/49 majority. This is a stalemate.,,,the only people that win will be the public because Washington will become stagnant.

          Biden will try to undo executive orders as will be his right. He will be the POTUS. He won…that is all there is to it. He will issue his own E/Os and we will complain and whine but it is his right as POTUS. What has to happen is protect yourself in the best possible way…..economically speaking.

          What bothers me the most….IS the economics of it all. I am very very fortunate. I will be able to avoid the greatest part of what we think will happen with taxes. I avoided Obama era taxes and I can avoid Biden era taxes……most people cannot. I will go back to contract labor to avoid the inevitable employee taxes that have been promised. So, utilize the “6 P” principles…..Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.,,,

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        You conflate the two, which of course, is bullshit.

        FYI Anyone who stands for the same things I do, fights for them is someone I am going to back ….. and defend. Why should I defend him? Because, he stands for the things I stand for.

        I had unfortunately the very same feelings about Ross Perot. Still do, had he “gone for it” instead of used it as a way to crush George Bush Sr. he would have won and we would have started the country’s long journey back much sooner. The last politician running for president who offered something different was Reagan but his selection of Bush was a guarantee things would go back to normal after he left office. Now had he had Jack Kemp as VP on term 2, then we would have seen some lasting change including a much earlier return of minorities to the Republican side.

        Of course, Barry Goldwater saw where we were headed long before the rest but circumstances being what they were, he would have done far better in ’68.than in’64 when LBJ won as the anti-war president!

  46. Stephen K. Trynosky says:

    So to yet again demonstrate both my incredible wit and the advantage of a classical Catholic education, I offer this as a reason to recount.

    to address the:

    Phenomenally
    flawed
    fantastic
    phony
    farcical
    Philadelphia
    fraud.

    You can stick in “alleged” before the final one but we will never know unless we look.

  47. I do love math…

  48. My prognostications if Biden wins:

    1) Yes Mitch will block everything possible but through budget brinkmanship Biden will get almost all the money he wants plus many more things. We will continue funding the government using continuing resolutions which means the budget will continue to grow.
    2) The GND will be implemented in part through executive and EPA orders. The endangerment finding is still in place so CAFE standards will be increased until electric cars can only meet the requirements. Fracking will be first curtailed on fed lands and then EPA regs will make it increasingly hard for it to go forward on private lands. Red tape will make the permitting process lengthy and difficult. Coal will die. The cost of energy will double. We will once again become dependent on foreign energy. Lessons learned from the Covid lock down will be applied to the GND. We are becoming compliant with government dictates.
    3) USMCA will survive. China and European tariffs will be lifted. Manufacturing will again move off shore.
    4) Immigration will explode especially illegal immigration and catch and release. This will adversely impact the gains in our poorer minority communities in terms of jobs. Crime will also increase as a result. Our deals with the Trump’s deals with Mexico and Central America will be ignored.
    5) Taxes will go up for all Americans and for corporations. This will further drive business overseas and stop the repatriation of profits. The economy will not crash but will go back the very low growth of the Obama era.
    6) The FED will print more money.
    7) We already see a heavy union presence in Biden’s advisors. Expect the teachers union to run the DoEd.
    8) There will be a mandatory mask order and lock down. Some governors may fight this. the vaccine will be mandatory for school children although from the sounds of it they will get just as sick from the vaccine as from the disease. It will be mandatory also for those who go to work and those in nursing homes.
    9) BLM will continue. They formed under Obama so there is no risk of Biden putting them down. They are Marxists and anarchists, not civil rights activists. Antifa will still be around but more likely will merge with BLM. They have the same goals.
    10) China will take Taiwan. We will do nothing. China will become a super power, not militarily but by gaining access to minerals, ports, and technology from the remainder of the world. Their military will continue to expand and modernize using technology stolen from us and Europe. With their reserve capital, they will buy up failing US companies and will certainly buy more politicians since they seem to have gotten by with buying Biden.
    11) Biden will try to last to just over 2 years. At which point Harris will take over and be eligible for 2 full terms. However, he will be just a figure head and others will be running the show.
    12) The squad will grow stronger and will take some leadership roles in the House. Nancy will not be speaker and will retire in six months. Her ego can tolerate the demotion.
    13) Durham’s investigation will be for naught. No one will go to jail for the Russian hoax and the crimes committed by the Obama administration and appointees. The deep state will grow in strength and become more bold especially the CIA, FBI, and IRS. We will see more politicization of our agencies.
    14) The SDNY will continue to try and prosecute Trump and will eventually bring him to trial. This will be an effort to prevent him or any family member from ever attempting a comeback.
    15) We will rejoin the Paris accord but Congress will not approve any funds for retribution payments. Our gains in CO2 reduction will stagnate.
    16) Biden will try to redo the Iranian agreement. Iran will win any negotiations and our friends in the ME will abandon us. No new peace deals will be agreed to in the ME unless these states feel that a military alliance with Israel is helpful in containing Iran.
    17) We will be in for some tough days a head.

    I need to cut this short. The wife is running fever and needs to go into the hospital.

  49. Justice Democrats executive director Alexandra Rojas blasted Biden’s appointments of Richmond, D-La., as senior adviser in the White House Office of Public Engagement, and of Ricchetti as counselor to the president, claiming they were “corporate-friendly insiders.” Do the Progressives really think that anything was going to be different?

    • Do the Progressives really think that anything was going to be different?

      No.

      No, we didn’t.

      The argument in Progressive circles was “hop on the bus that’s hopefully headed in vaguely the right direction rather than the one that’s actively on fire and headed off a cliff. You can catch a better bus at the next stop.”

      claiming they were “corporate-friendly insiders.”

      Fair enough – this neither surprises me nor actually proves anything… but I will say this… it seems unreasonable to hit Biden for both being a Marxist and a shill for big business.

      • I have never claimed Biden a Marxist nor do I think he supports it. He is quite the opposite, I see him as a moderate with big business ties to the insurance industry and China. He has his big donors and wall street, as you know, is hoping that the Senate stays Republican. Lots of money to be made in a stalemate. Biden is part of the establishment. He will pander to the progressives to get their votes, but i do not see him pushing their agenda.

        It is whom he surrounds himself with that bothers me. But, the far left Progressives are going to demand a greater voice and positions…..You are not going to see Beto Boy coming after guns.

  50. Black Lives Matter launched a petition Monday calling on California Gov. Gavin Newsom to appoint a Black woman to fill the U.S. Senate seat to be vacated by Kamala Harris once she officially resigns to become vice president.

    “Appointing a Black woman to this seat is nonnegotiable — this must be done,” Black Lives Matter Global Network wrote, directing the Democratic governor to either appoint U.S. Reps. Karen Bass or Barbara Lee to fill the seat for the remainder of Harris’ term.
    The group then implied it was now Newsom’s time to deliver by appointing a candidate of their choice, arguing the Democratic Party has become “reliant on Black voters, particularly Black women,” and there would have been a “very different electoral outcome” if it weren’t for Black voters and organizers across the country. “This is not a one-way street. We showed up, and now, it’s his turn to do the same,” the petition states. “If Governor Newsom is serious about his role in the Democratic Party, he will deliver to his base and answer our call to appoint a Black woman to the Senate.”

    And now the fun begins. Anita…just grab the popcorn and sit back and watch the fireworks over the next two years.

    • Falls under your lawful but awful……I am not a fan of her policies and her interest rate stands……but I am also not a fan of loose monetary policy where the fluctuating interest rates are used as a weapon. Both parties are horrible about this…absolutely horrible. Elizabeth Warren will be a death knell….

      However, I feel fairly confident that is not where you were aiming and I am sure my answer will get the Mathius response of “two wrongs do not make a right” speech……but this is politics as normal.

      I am more than a little disappointed in our politics from both sides now….it does not seem that anyone cares about the US and only about legacies. I noticed what the Clinton departure did and the briefings and such that did not take place during the lame duck, and I know what Bush II did, and I know what Obama did…….all three tried their best to screw up peaceful transitions….by peaceful, I am not using the talking head definition of having to throw the bums out by force, but all three of those administrations made it as hard as possible for the successor to take over…briefings were incomplete, security briefings were almost non existent, information traps were set….all designed to make it worse for the other incoming POTUS and team……….I think Trump and McConnell will do the same thing. It is all about politics.

      Appointments to the Treasury of people with agendas other than fiscal conservatism is just flat out wrong. Manipulating the interest rates for show and ratings is just wrong….we are becoming like China with our monetary policies. They do not care about their population and are kept like mushrooms. The normal person in the United States has no idea what the Treasury is supposed to do. You and I know because we deal with it daily. But the average Joe Tentpeg has no idea…..none…..nor do they care. They only care about what is in their pocket book and bank account. They do not care about interest rates and the effects of it from the Treasury point of view. You and I look at long term values and try to place a hedge against inflation on the basis of monetary policy. The normal person who has a 401k has no idea of anything except whether the value goes up or down and how will it affect their draw downs.

      People move money into and out of this country on the basis of monetary policy and how to preserve our money and how to weave market fluctuations and inflationary fluctuations into it. Why do you think i am moving everything I can out of the country now? To protect it. To protect it from what I see coming down the pike like a runaway freight train.

      So, I can a BF long winded answer to a simple question……my thoughts are….politics as usual. Nothing has changed…I know that Biden will be POTUS and it is not really Biden that bothers me. I know his philosophy….what I also know….he will not be POTUS even though he holds the office….and I know the monetary policy of his staff and I am very afraid of it…so, for the third time……Politics as usual and it sucks.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      IGNORANT assassination of a qualified candidate.

      Oh MY GOD………… they wrote an article supporting a “Gold Standard”. Kind of the economist’s version of a Klu Klux Klan assusation.

      By the way, I saw a quote from this lady a couple months back saying she did not support moving to a Gold Standard per se’. She is, however, about SOUND MONEY.

  51. T Ray…….how is the wife, my friend?

    • She is in the ICU. Her BP keeps dropping. She has an infection as well. No Covid. I don’t think she is any serious danger. Getting ready to leave for the hospital soon.

  52. Prayers for T-Ray’s better half!

    There is a new thread posted.

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