Anger May Explode

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  1. We are very close to Civil War. Censoring is about a dumb a move as I can think at this point in time.

  2. I have a Parler account. I would delete my twitter account, but I don’t have one. I do have a facebook account, but I’m not on it that much. I’m really not into the social media stuff and I don’t have time for it anyway.

    I just joined Parler to help them out although I’m not sure one account will help them so much. It seems that ‘big tech’ is going after them, I just saw that google took their app off the play store. This could get interesting.

    • I have a FB account but mostly to stay up with the extended family. We also have page for genealogy of one branch of the family. I do not post any political stuff on FB. No Twitter or other social media accounts.

  3. I see my congressman (McClintock) has bailed on Trump. I’ll not vote for him again.

  4. by Newt Gingrich:
    A smart friend of mine who is a moderate liberal asked why I was not recognizing Joe Biden’s victory. The friend made the case that Mr. Biden had gotten more votes, and historically we recognize the person with the most votes. Normally, we accept the outcome of elections just as we accept the outcomes of sporting events.
    So, my friend asked why was 2020 different?
    Having spent more than four years watching the left “resist” President Donald Trump and focus entirely on undoing and undermining the 2016 election, it took me several days to understand the depth of my own feelings.
    As I thought about it, I realized my anger and fear were not narrowly focused on votes. My unwillingness to relax and accept that the election grew out of a level of outrage and alienation unlike anything I had experienced in more than 60 years involvement in public affairs.
    The challenge is that I — and other conservatives — are not disagreeing with the left within a commonly understood world. We live in alternative worlds.
    The left’s world is mostly the established world of the forces who have been dominant for most of my life.
    My world is the populist rebellion which believes we are being destroyed, our liberties are being cancelled and our religions are under assault. (Note the new Human Rights Campaign to decertify any religious school which does not accept secular sexual values — and that many Democrat governors have kept casinos open while closing churches though the COVID-19 pandemic.) We also believe other Democrat-led COVID-19 policies have enriched the wealthy while crushing middle class small business owners (some 160,000 restaurants may close).
    In this context, let’s talk first about the recent past and the presidency:
    In 2016, I supported an outsider candidate, who was rough around the edges and in the Andrew Jackson school of controversial assaults on the old order. When my candidate won, it was blamed on the Russians. We now know (four years later) Hillary Clinton’s own team financed the total lie that fueled this attack.
    Members of the FBI twice engaged in criminal acts to help it along — once in avoiding prosecution of someone who had deleted 33,000 emails and had a subordinate use a hammer to physically destroy hard drives, and a second time by lying to FISA judges to destroy Gen. Michael Flynn and spy on then-candidate Donald Trump and his team. The national liberal media aided and abetted every step of the way. All this was purely an attempt to cripple the new president and lead to the appointment of a special counsel — who ultimately produced nothing.
    Now, people in my world are told it is time to stop resisting and cooperate with the new president. But we remember that the Democrats wanted to cooperate with Mr. Trump so much that they began talking about his impeachment before he even took office. The Washington Post ran a story on Democrat impeachment plots the day of the inauguration.
    In fact, nearly 70 Democratic lawmakers boycotted his inauguration. A massive left-wing demonstration was staged in Washington the day after, where Madonna announced she dreamed of blowing up the White House to widespread applause. These same forces want me to cooperate with their new president. I find myself adopting the Nancy Pelosi model of constant resistance. Nothing I have seen from Mr. Biden since the election offers me any hope that he will reach out to the more than 74 million Americans who voted for President Trump.
    So, I am not reacting to the votes so much as to the whole election environment. When Twitter and Facebook censored the oldest and fourth largest newspaper (founded by Alexander Hamilton) because it accurately reported news that could hurt Mr. Biden’s chances — where were The New York Times and The Washington Post? The truth of the Hunter Biden story is now becoming impossible to avoid or conceal. The family of the Democrat nominee for president received at least $5 million from an entity controlled by our greatest adversary. It was a blatant payoff, and most Americans who voted for Mr. Biden never heard of it — or were told before the election it was Russian disinformation. Once they did hear of it, 17% said they would have switched their votes, according to a poll by the Media Research Center. That’s the entire election. The censorship worked exactly as intended.
    Typically, newspapers and media outlets band together when press freedom is threatened by censorship. Where was the sanctimonious “democracy dies in darkness?” Tragically, The Washington Post is now part of the darkness.
    But this is just a start. When Twitter censors four of five Rush Limbaugh tweets in one day, I fear for the country.
    When these monolithic Internet giants censor the President of the United States, I fear for the country.
    When I see elite billionaires like Mark Zuckerburg are able to spend $400 million to hire city governments to maximize turnout in specifically Democratic districts — without any regard to election spending laws or good governance standards — I fear for the country.
    When I read that Apple has a firm rule of never irritating China — and I watch the NBA kowtow to Beijing, I fear for our country. When I watch story after story about election fraud being spiked — without even the appearance of journalistic due diligence or curiosity — I know something is sick.
    The election process itself was the final straw in creating the crisis of confidence which is accelerating and deepening for many millions of Americans. Aside from a constant stream of allegations of outright fraud, there are some specific outrages — any one of which was likely enough to swing the entire election. Officials in virtually every swing state broke their states’ own laws to send out millions of ballots or ballot applications to every registered voter. It was all clearly documented in the Texas lawsuit, which was declined by the U.S. Supreme Court based on Texas’ procedural standing — not the merits of the case. That’s the election.
    In addition, it’s clear that virtually every swing state essentially suspended normal requirements for verifying absentee ballots. Rejection rates were an order of magnitude lower than in a normal year. In Georgia, rejection rates dropped from 6.5% in 2016 to 0.2% in 2020. In Pennsylvania, it went from 1% in 2016 to .003% in 2020. Nevada fell from 1.6% to .75%. There is no plausible explanation other than that they were counting a huge number of ballots — disproportionately for Mr. Biden — that normally would not have passed muster. That’s the election.
    The entire elite liberal media lied about the timeline of the COVID-19 vaccine. They blamed President Trump for the global pandemic even as he did literally everything top scientists instructed. In multiple debates, the moderators outright stated that he was lying about the U.S. having a vaccine before the end of the year (note Vice President Mike Pence received it this week). If Americans had known the pandemic was almost over, that too was likely the difference in the election.
    The unanimously never-Trump debate commission spiked the second debate at a critical time in order to hurt President Trump. If there had been one more debate like the final one, it likely would have been pivotal.
    This is just the beginning. But any one of those things alone is enough for Trump supporters to think we have been robbed by a ruthless establishment — which is likely to only get more corrupt and aggressive if it gets away with these blatant acts. For more than four years, the entire establishment mobilized against the elected president of the United States as though they were an immune system trying to kill a virus. Now, they are telling us we are undermining democracy.
    You have more than 74 million voters who supported President Trump despite everything — and given the election mess, the number could easily be significantly higher. The truth is tens of millions of Americans are deeply alienated and angry.
    If Mr. Biden governs from the left — and he will almost certainly be forced to — that number will grow rapidly, and we will win a massive election in 2022.
    Given this environment, I have no interest in legitimizing the father of a son who Chinese Communist Party members boast about buying. Nor do I have any interest in pretending that the current result is legitimate or honorable. It is simply the final stroke of a four-year establishment-media power grab.
    It has been perpetrated by people who have broken the law, cheated the country of information, and smeared those of us who believe in America over China, history over revisionism, and the liberal ideal of free expression over cancel culture.
    I write this in genuine sorrow, because I think we are headed toward a serious, bitter struggle in America. This extraordinary, coordinated four-year power grab threatens the fabric of our country and the freedom of every American.
    Newt Gingrich.

  5. Uhhh…. Seeing that ziptie-handcuffs-Guy #2 was a retired colonel from Texas………..

  6. Breaking update: Amazon is ending Parler’s access to it’s hosted servers. Parler will go offline if they do not find another hosting solution before Sunday night.

    • I got to see some pics and vids from someone in DC at the Capital during all this. Quite different from what we are being told, other than the idiots who went in. AS I was told, most didn’t even know people went into the capital.

      Sorry Anita, I will not use Amazon in the future.

      • Let me add, her opinion was that the people are really pissed off. Then the the Left calls them more nasty names, which really isn’t sitting well.

        • We have psy ops mixed in with psy ops going on in real time . They’re trying to drive all of us crazy. I hear you about Amazon. It really has me thinking hard. Flexible shifts there make it hard to resist leaving. Decisions…..

    • Let’s not kid ourselves here, Anita.

      This was an execution.

      Parler was taken out back and put down like a rabid dog.

      And, yes, Apple/Google pulled it from their stores and, yes, Amazon pulled hosting… but what might not be apparent is the consequence of the fact that there’s now no way to update the app.

      Without updates (depending on how they structured the back-end), it may even be impossible to reconnect the apps to a new server, even if they can find one.

      Even then, there will never be new functionality or features, no bugs or glitches ever resolved, and every time a new OS software rolls out, Parler is going to find itself less and less compatible and more and more unstable.

      Further, there aren’t that many players big enough to host it – and if AWS won’t touch it, they’re going to be leery of doing so, either. They are absolutely going to find themselves shut out of all the major players.

      Maybe they’ll be able to get a website working, but these things live-and-die on network effect and, without a viable phone userbase, it’ll shrivel and die.

      Parler is dead and is just refusing to admit it.

      The Big Three put a bullet in its head.

      (and, for the avoidance of doubt, this was absolutely 100% coordinated amongst them.. all three wanted to do this, and risk being the only one. 100% chance they had a high-level conference call and agreed to do this.)

      (also, for the avoidance of doubt, there is no First Amendment relevance to any of this.)

      • Back in my younger days, this is what the mafia would do.

        Forget about the free speech issue, they just killed a legal company with investors because the company wouldn’t do what they were told. That’s extortion to begin with and may head towards the Equal protection issue.

      • Wasn’t only the big three. The CEO said the whole supporting network ditched them. Credit card companies and the like.

        • This might be the beginning of Civil War 2. I just don’t think attacking liberty as a good idea.

          • I love how you see this as “attacking liberty.”

            Does a bar have a right to throw out an unruly patron?

            Jesus, how much bitching did I hear from the right about the backer and the cake for a gay wedding about the right of a private business to refuse service?

            Every single one of these companies and vendors had terms of service to which Parler agreed.

            That’s a CONTRACT. I will do X, if you do Y.

            I 100% guarantee you that every single one of these companies either explicitly forbade inciting violence / hate speech / etc or that they “reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”

            Parler broke these terms of service.

            You cannot tell me otherwise. You might pretend that this was about liberty and freedom of speech, but I can post you 100 examples of calls for violence and other critical breaches which Parler did nothing about. Why? Because Parler’s schtick was being an “anything goes” kind of forum, and in that kind of forum, the crazies will, you know, crazy.

            PARLER VIOLATED THEIR TERMS OF SERVICE. And when you do that, the vendor can cut you off. That’s how business works.

            You can complain that this was to “shut up conservative voices,” and, hell, I can’t prove that wrong. But they would still be online if it weren’t for the above (and a hundred others I could post here). I’m sure there was lots of legitimate conservative conversation going on – maybe the vast majority – but this kind of thing was going on, too.

            And neither Apple, nor Google, nor Amazon wanted to be any part of it. Nor, for that matter, did they want to find themselves as the codefendants-with-deep-pockets when someone sued Parler for facilitating incitements to violence. If you were in charge of any of these companies and looked at the same risk/reward profile, you’d have made the same decision or your stockholders would have fired you and replaced you with someone better.

            • Oh, and, you know, this kind of thing, too.

              AWS, in their letter to Parler, informing them for the pending shut down, included 98 such screenshots. Why 98? I have no idea – I can only assume the poor intern they used was too traumatized to continue.

              • You don’t see any double standard here? BLM coordinated riots on social media all summer and they did nothing about that. The ayatollah of Iran can tweet, but the president of the US cannot. Be honest. They have no real standards, just political positions.

                I have a house full of Apple products and 7 different Alexa devices, but I will never order another products from Apple or Amazon. I am done with them both.

              • You don’t see any double standard here?

                There are plenty of double-standards!

                Let’s be clear: these are big corporations and the only thing they care about is making money. If they think it’s in their financial interests to turn a blind eye, they will do so. If they think it’s in their financial interests to crack down, they will do so.

                Recall, if you will, that Reddit, for a long time, willfully turned a blind eye to child pornography on their website until the PR and threats of legal consequences started to pile up… then they cracked down. And, even though their base was (of course) vastly against child porn, Reddit still suffered a backlash because their users didn’t want Reddit to be the arbiter of what could and could not be said on the site. Their users felt that they’d entered a new era where there “anything goes” kind of forum had become a censored police state with roving mods banning all kinds of objectionable materials. Reddit lost a lot of users to the wilder forums of 4chan and 8chan and only-god-knows-what.

                Facebook, Apple, Google, Twitter, AWS, all of ’em… they’re all the same and all in the same boat… they want to make money and, to do that, they want to avoid pissing off their users to the maximal extent they can.. but they will do it if they feel themselves backed into a corner.

                BLM coordinated riots on social media all summer and they did nothing about that.

                Well, first of all, this is patently false.

                LOTS of BLM people got banned. Like, lots of it. My feeds were full of people bitching about bans and censorship* throughout the summer (and lots of other people saying some version of “stop breaking the TOS, then, asshole!”).

                Could they have been harsher? Sure. Could they have been more lenient? Sure. I’m sure all the platforms tried their best to strike a balance between risking lawsuits and alienating users.

                * not nearly as much as I see bitching about the crackdown on the right, however. These people have a HUGE victimhood complex.

                The ayatollah of Iran can tweet,

                Maybe he hasn’t broken the Terms of Service?

                More accurately, Twitter hasn’t found it dangerous to their own profits to keep him there. You can bet that if he starts calling for the extermination of Jews on Twitter (and it picks up any kind of public notice), that he’ll be banned.

                but the president of the US cannot.

                Let’s be honest about this. People have done experiments. They’ve posted his exact tweets, word-for-word, and gotten bans. What this means is that the tweets he is posting violate the TOS – they are tweets which Twitter, itself, deems to violate its TOS, and which merit banning. Yet Trump was not banned until now. Why?

                So, it’s not that Trump is being targeted… It’s that he’s been exempt from the rules for his whole term. Twitter has been letting him get away with breaking the rules.

                Twitter has even been public about this in open defiance of calls for his banning, asserting that it was in the public interest to allow the President a forum to speak.

                Last January, they posted their Special-Trump-Only-Snowflake-Exception to the TOS:

                “Blocking a world leader from Twitter or removing their controversial Tweets would hide important information people should be able to see and debate.”

                An open admission that he was in violation of the TOS and they were going to do nothing about it. They could pretend it was about principles, but we all know these companies have none. This was about profit. And Trump being on Twitter was a HUGE draw.

                And they only turned on him at the last possible moment – when doing so cost them virtually nothing, after he’d lost all hope of staying in power, after he was a virtual pariah by all but his hard-core base (who had mostly left anyway), and when they started to look at his tweets and wonder if they might find themselves as co-defendants in some kind of incitement trial or face an exodus from the left for their failure to act.

                In short, he lost his special snowflake-exemption when Twitter no longer found it advantageous to let him have it.

                Be honest. They have no real standards, just political positions.

                So, no.

                I don’t think it’s “political.” I think it’s capitalism at work.

                They kept him – even when violating their TOS – when it was in their interest.

                And now that it’s not, they boot him.

                That’s capitalism!

  7. Hey, Come on in and makes yourselves at home:

    • This was a set up. Notice how fast the FBI can track people down but they can’t seem to investigate spygate, huntergate, hillarygate in any short period of time. I am sure the MSM will not show this video or any other like it. It does not fit the narrative of violent white right wing supremacists.

  8. Gman. The way SHTF, feel free to share my email with the gang. I don’t want to lose any of you guys.

    Hate that I’m off to work. Don’t want to miss anything. Ugh!

  9. I spoke to a woman who was at the Rally and went to the Capital. She stayed on the lawn in front of the Capital and watched from there. Saw some of her vids and pics as well. She assisted some folks with stuff in their eyes and saw the effects of rubber bullets that some were hit with. This is also where all the news cameras were located, in FRONT of the Capital where all the mayhem was happening. This certainly contrasts to some other vids posted here of people being LET in the doors and led up stairways.

    Conclusion: Based on all the evidence I hereby conclude that the event was a total setup, staged for the masses and that none of the politicians were ever in danger. The number one reason is to get Trump out of politics, because we can’t have an effective President, it makes the rest of them look like shit (which they are).

    It’s long past time to end the two Party system and remove ALL the corrupt swamp creatures. However, short of a shooting war, I am still recommending a new third party.

    Fighting people in the front for the media while letting people in through side and back doors should be everything anyone needs to know about what went on.

  10. U.S.—Antifa leaders are condemning the storming of the Capitol in D.C. as an egregious act of cultural appropriation. Antifa representatives report being “hurt deeply” by this insensitive display.

    “My culture is not your protest!” said Portland Antifa organizer Vantrixie Dirpot in a New York Times column. “Antifa has a proud cultural heritage of surrounding government buildings, businesses, and homes while the occupants hide in terror. We’re pros at this. We burned down D.C. last year because, you know, fascism. These posers have stolen our cultural heritage for their own purposes!”

    “It makes me sick,” said one elementary school teacher as she read the Times column to her kindergarten class. “These racist Trump supporters have not only committed an act of violent insurrection against our benevolent rulers– they have committed the extremely insensitive act of stealing the proud cultural elements of brave anti-fascist fighters!” She then made her kindergarten class nod in agreement.

    Biden’s new Education Secretary has promised to require all school curricula to include teaching about the evils of appropriating Antifa culture.

  11. Just A Citizen says:

    If the highlighted verse is the cause for this author’s rant then I would say this is a great example of a Conservative OVER REACTING.

    Yes, it is understandable given the greater picture. But we must guard against over reacting to everything, because sometimes that thing may have validity.

    https://redstate.com/robert_a_hahn/2021/01/10/the-klansmen-of-mozilla-n307569

    Now put the highlighted comment in broader context. Social Media has been used to increase, spread and organize demonstration/riots across the country. And I would argue that those openly celebrating the demise of “white people” as a majority are just as racist as those stupid KKK folks. So WHAT SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT?

  12. Just A Citizen says:

    A response to the question of whether we should control what companies can allow on their “platforms”. The most relevant part is the statement that issues like this fall in the realm of public debate, opinion and govt. NOT PRIVATE companies.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/3_overseas_leaders_who_know_how_repression_and_tyranny_work_speak_out_on_censorship_of_trump_and_election_skepticism.html

  13. I’m hearing that Special Ops have Pelosi’s laptop. Anyone heard of this?

    And something crazy, reports that the Pope has been arrested for child sex trafficking. I don’t believe this,, but it’s different.

    Also something about Italy being involved in the election mess.

    The world is going nuts.

    • There is a video that I linked above on the laptop.
      I have seen the Italian thing a couple of times. Most the videos lack specific details which makes me suspicious which is why I have not linked them. They claim that Trump is aware of it and that it could trigger the EO on foreign intervention in our elections. I have issues with digital vote switching because it need to be backed up with paper ballot switching. It could be easily discovered with a hand recount. I know that GA claims to have done a hand recount but I also heard conflicting reports that they again used readers in the process. A true recount would be totally by hand with double or triple counts to ensure accuracy. It would take time. The GA recount seemed happen too rapidly for that. But this confusion is part of the problem as there is insufficient transparency to remove all doubts.

      • Let’s kick some thoughts around. There’s plenty of evidence to show that the Capital event was a staged event with the goal of hurting Trumps future and make his supporters look bad.

        The only pics I have seen of someone in an office was in Pelosi’s office. With now knowing that Spec Ops has her laptop it’s safe to say that may have been the reason her office was unlocked. It may also be concluded that Spec Ops caught wind of the event and used it to get the laptop. Makes for a good movie. Let’s now wish for her arrest.

        • All of this explains why Pelosi wants Trump out of office ASAP. He may have the power to blow the whistle on the whole lot of them. It will create chaos for a period of time but would be healthy for the country. If Biden gets in, I see a level of corruption like we have never seen before. Grant was a victim of a lot of corrupt office holders that he did not keep tabs. Sleepy Joe will even be worse. They will abuse their power to the max. We are already see it with the censorship. It can only get worse. I see dark days ahead.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          “Plenty of evidence”????

          I DON’T THINK SO.

          What you have is some video which might or might not be showing what is claimed. But more importantly, this is NOT PROOF of any kind of set up just to discredit Mr. Trump. Hell, in the same breath you are saying that covert operatives took Nancy Pelosi’s lap top and that is why she is so livid.

          For crying out loud, can we take a breath and at least try to be rational here?

          • Just kick in some thoughts around JAC, no need to overreact.

          • But JAC, Gen. McInerney said exactly that. Special Forces lifted Nancy’s laptop and harddrives.

          • Ok, but there are a lot of things out there now that make you wonder. Like, why is DC all gated off with 7000 military on every corner.? The rally is over. Biden’s inauguration is said to be virtual. Why is the capitol locked down? Where is Trump? At the White House? Why the sudden purge with social media? There is a weird feeling in the air. I don’t know what to believe, but I sure have bookmarked some of the things that I hope like hell are true. If they are then this is a BFD. .

            • Trump could still muddy the water. He could have a last minute document dump that would out the deep state. He can pardon some more people. There might be more information on the election that has been held back. Who knows what he can do. This is what Nancy is afraid of.

  14. I keep hear how 5 people died as a result of the “riot” at the Capitol. Yes one officer was clubbed with a fire extinguisher and later died. One woman was shot by capitol police. The other 3 were not part of the riot but simply protestors, one had a heart attach, another a stroke and the third unknown. As in all such large gatherings, medical emergencies happen. To blame the latter 3 deaths on the riot is idiocy.

    • No one seems to have video evidence of the officer being hit with anything. What I read was that he also had a medical condition (heart, lungs?) which went to fever pitch after inhaling the tear gas.

    • Another Capital cop died today, suicide.

      • He died in the line of duty but was a suicide. They also state that 5 people were killed at the “riots”. But 3 died of natural causes with preexisting conditions. Kind of Covid like.

        All the MSM reports I read use superlative negative adjectives to describe the protestors. Colored facts.

      • Why are my antennae tingling?

  15. Just A Citizen says:

    BIG BROTHER, er BIG SISTER, is WATCHING. ALWAYS WATCHING.

    https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/01/10/fascism-strikes-in-pro-trump-county-as-school-superintendant-threatens-to-fire-teachers-who-attended-trump-rally-n307599

    Cancel culture has not reached its zenith just yet.

    • I guess the answer is for all of the parents to demand that the superintendent be fired?

    • We had a school teacher here from Berkeley who as a part of a By Any Means Necessary riot in Sacramento in 2016. Not a darned thing happened to her.

  16. From another sites comment section:

    “You can’t justify this insanity. We have become a nation that has lost its collective mind.

    We see other countries going Socialist and collapsing, but it seems like a great plan

    Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.

    People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.

    Universities that advocate equality, discriminate against Asian-Americans in favor of African-Americans.

    Some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, and other people are not held responsible for what they are doing right now.

    Criminals are caught-and-released to hurt more people, but stopping them is bad because it’s a violation of THEIR rights.

    People who have never owned slaves should pay slavery reparations to people who have never been slaves.

    After legislating gender, if a dude pretends to be a woman, you are required to pretend with him.

    It was cool for Joe Biden to “blackmail” the President of Ukraine, but it’s an impeachable offense if Donald Trump inquiries about it.

    People who have never been to college should pay the debts of college students who took out huge loans for their degrees.

    Immigrants with tuberculosis and polio are welcome, but you’d better be able to prove your dog is vaccinated.

    Irish doctors and German engineers who want to immigrate to the US must go through a rigorous vetting process, but any illiterate gang-bangers who jump the southern fence are welcomed.

    $5 billion for border security is too expensive, but $1.5 trillion for “free” health care is not.

    If you cheat to get into college you go to prison, but if you cheat to get into the country you go to college for free.

    And, pointing out all this hypocrisy somehow makes us “racists”!

    Nothing makes sense anymore, no values, no morals, no civility and people are dying of a Chinese virus, but it is racist to refer to it as Chinese even though it began in China.”

    • Sums it up very well but Mathius will have a fit with it.

    • Somehow it’s un-American for the census to count how many Americans are in America.

      I don’t know about “unamerican, but the law says “PERSONS.” Unless you’re trying to make the claim that non-citizens aren’t people….?

      People who say there is no such thing as gender are demanding a female President.

      Gee golly, this is a WILDLY inaccurate misconstruing of the (far) left’s view of gender.

      YOu know what.. I don’t have the energy for this… I’ll be back after I’ve had some Red Bull and gotten a little work done.

  17. Fascism is the merger of socialism and corporatism. How ironic that Trump, a capitalist, has been called a fascist for 4 years. We are now seeing the real fascist take power. Biden has over a dozen big tech advisors on his team. Big tech is squelching conservative communication wherever they can. Biden’s choice for the FCC chair is talking about limiting frequencies conservative talk radio can have. Conservatives are doxed and threatened. Cancel culture is threatening conservative’s jobs. Is this really the America we want?

    • Personally, I feel like I went to sleep and woke up living in Germany, right before the Holocaust.

      • Personally, the left has been feeling this way for years… and we also feel like we just witnessed a combination of the Beer Hall Putsch and the (attempted) burning of the Reichstag.

        I would put to you the same question I have asked several times, and to which I have yet to receive an answer: If people who attacked the capitol, including the (at least) two men who brought zip-tie handcuffs, had managed to get ahold of Congress, what do you think would have happened?

        • They would have been gunned down? Wait….

          • Yet another non-answer.

            Care to try again:

            What would have happened if zip-tie-handcuffs guy and pals had managed to get ahold of Congress?

            A stern lecture?

            • its not a non answer Mathius. They would have been dispatched. Or at least wounded.

              • Both of you are wrong…..First, Mathius is giving the normal response of the left. They wanted this to be a coup and they know all along what it really was…..and it was not a coup or even an insurrection….

                Second, these men were not after anybody. It is hype.

              • Anita, They would have been dispatched. Or at least wounded. Assuming the “they” in this referrs to zip tie handcuffs guys #1 & #2, that’s really not an answer.

                Q. What would they have done?
                A. They wouldn’t have done anything because they wouldn’t have succeeded.

                But the question is what would they have done IF they’d succeeded.

                Colonel, I have answered you directly twice….does there need to be a third? Honestly, I apologize for missing it. I honestly just don’t see your response. I see some humor, a comment that no one picks up zip cuffs unless they want a death sentence… all fine, as far as it goes, but the question – and again, apologies for missing it – is what do you think Zip Tie Handcuff Guys would have done if – IF – they’d managed to get to the congressmen. Why bring cuffs if you don’t intend to, you know, cuff people… and what happens after that?

        • I would put to you the same question I have asked several times, and to which I have yet to receive an answer: I have answered you directly twice….does there need to be a third?

  18. Rosenworcel, the new incoming FCC chief has stated that the FCC will control the internet and the frequencies and broadband width allowed. Any media the FCC determines to have inciting comment will be permanently discontinued.

    I think that about sums it up. This is officially government censorship.

    • (A) Source

      (B) “Any media the FCC determines to have inciting comment will be permanently discontinued.” – this goes to my comment above… Apple / Twitter / Google / AWS… all looked at the changing wind and adjusted their sails to match. I don’t know if this is an accurate portrayal – that the FCC is going to “discontinue” Twitter for hosting inciting content – I doubt it – but it’s almost certain the left is thinking in these directions – and, were I the CEO of any of these companies, I’d make damned sure not to draw any unnecessary ire from this direction.

      I think that about sums it up. This is officially government censorship.

      Question for the old Colonel….

      Where does the line get drawn between something like HUAC and “private companies protecting their bottom lines”?

      How would you think of this in a broader context?

      • Would you call this a inciting statement?

        They’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop. This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware because they’re not gonna stop. They’re not gonna stop before Election Day and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that. They’re not gonna let up and they should not.

        • By itself, the above does not appear to be an “inciting statement,” though I could be convinced otherwise with fuller context. Is this part of a larger comment or a larger pattern? Is there a clearer distinction between “I’m describing what they’re going to do” and “I’m encouraging them to do it”? Is there a clearer indication of what the thing is that they’re not going to stop doing?

          If I read this comment in a vacuum, I wouldn’t be able to tell you if it referred to a voting rights activist saying people won’t stop voting. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

          If it’s by a person who has been calling for an assault on the capitol and who a leadership role in that community… it starts becoming a bit hazier.

          Much like “pornography,” I know it when I see it.

          But JUROR Mathius remains thoroughly unconvinced.

          ———

          That said, this is a comment by Lin Woods, is it not? I believe it is – and if we view it in context of his other statements such as “get the firing squads ready, Pence goes first!” well… it becomes a bit clearer.

          If it were, I don’t know, you, JAC, suggested that the PROTEST (as distinct from the riot) at the Capitol will/should continue because there are important questions that still need to be asked and blah blah blah.. well, that’s very different. You have no context to reasonably interpret this as a call to violence unlike Lin Woods, above.

          I admit this is all wishy washy… but, as I say, JUROR Mathius remains thoroughly unconvinced.

          • You should know, you voted for her. She is the one that funded bail for the rioters all summer.

            • Google.. google… google.. ah, Harris… makes sense.. it was a gotcha..

              Well, no matter, I stand by what I said: baring much more incriminating context, JUROR Mathius remains thoroughly unconvinced.

              • Pardon me but your double standard is showing.

              • What’s the double-standard here?

                When I thought it was Lin Woods, I said I was unconvinced.

                When I found out it was Kamala Harris, I said I was unconvinced.

                Sounds like consistency to me.

      • Mathius, I will answer your question and I hope that I will get an unbiased response….

        You asked a question of where does one draw the line on capitalism. It is obvious that you are on the side of media and being “private”. So where does capitalism stop. Well, sir, we have an act called the Sherman Anti trust act. I know you are familiar with it. Also, the Federal Trade Commission Act. It states The Sherman Act outlaws “every contract, combination, or conspiracy in restraint of trade,” and any “monopolization, attempted monopolization, or conspiracy or combination to monopolize.” Certain acts are considered so harmful to competition that they are almost always illegal. These include plain arrangements among competing individuals or businesses to fix prices, divide markets, or rig bids. These acts are “per se” violations of the Sherman Act; in other words, no defense or justification is allowed.

        The Federal Trade Commission Act bans “unfair methods of competition” and “unfair or deceptive acts or practices.” The Supreme Court has said that all violations of the Sherman Act also violate the FTC Act.

        Now, is it a stretch, in your opinion, that, as you stated, if the heads of all these companies got together to silence a competitor, that it violates either of these acts. That the three companies control such a large portion of everything, that they have conspired together to eliminate any other competition by the controls that they have.

        Now, since you brought up HUAC, then is it a stretch that if these three companies are in contact with the incoming administration and the incoming administration says or even implies that if the big three shut out any competing news outlet, they will get favorable treatment in the future, to say that this could fall under HUAC (see McCarthy-ism).

        Do you think that this becomes even more exacerbated by the fact that so many large donors that were executives of these companies are now appointed to various government positions that will write and enact future policy? Should this fall under HUAC? In other words, should any administration, no matter whom it may be, that rewards donors by putting them in charge of certain commissions or rules writing, from the very companies that are now engaged in collective censoring, be a violation of HUAC or even the Sherman or FTC?

        Add to this, the comments made by the soon to be head of the FCC, by not allowing certain frequencies or internet access for what THEY determine to be wrong, fall under HUAC?

        Can you answer these without bias? They are relevant observations that have happened or, in the case of the FCC, about to happen. Please notice that I have taken all political bias out of my questions and observations.

  19. Canine Weapon says:

  20. JAC, don’t get mad at me. This is from the NYE Nevada GOP chairman.
    First, there’s a response to the fallout. The original letter follows.
    https://nyegop.org/2021/01/10/a-letter-from-the-chairman/

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Anita

      You know how to kill a movement? Keep creating false expectations. High hopes that never materialize. Without real credibility there is not “movement”. Just a bunch of crazy people thinking they can overthrow a Govt. that is gargantuan.

      This reads like something one of the Bundy’s would have written, in hopes of getting the Oathkeepers to defend them while they break the law.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Anita

      P.S.: There is nothing here to get mad about. The Chair sent out a letter that contains many of the claims that have had no basis in reality. Like Mr. Trump playing 3D Chess. I am not convinced he could play chess at all. All his “brilliance” seems to be constructed by supporters and then spread via Social Media. The Chair of the Nye County Red team seems to have fallen down the QAnon rabbit hole.

  21. Just A Citizen says:

    Morning coffee read: An explanation of why the “red team” is getting violent.

    https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2021/01/11/heres-a-perfect-explanation-of-why-the-capitol-hill-riot-happened-n307944

  22. The data is on Epoch Times which I do not have subscription to:

    Tell us again how there is no evidence of election irregularities.

  23. Just A Citizen says:

    I noticed that soon after the riots in D.C. a POLL was conducted which clearly showed that a majority of people, just above 50% DID NOT think Mr. Trump was responsible. The usual 45% did. More importantly, over 60% did not think impeachment should be played again.

    The next day CNN posts a poll saying that 50% think he IS responsible. Now this morning we have an ABC poll saying a majority, about 55% think he should be impeached for inciting an insurrection.

    What changed? I will tell you. Social media allowed the blue team to continue spreading its narrative while censoring the red team. It also took a couple of days to get the “opinion formation” teams kicked into gear.

    • One thing Mathius does not include in his calculus is the fact the the MSM has completely shut out the conservative viewpoint. Drudge flipped and Fox is following. Our number of outlets are shrinking. Flee is not an option as the US is the last great hope. That leaves fight or submit.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          That in itself is BULL SHIT and you know it.

          But thanks for Coming Across as a sarcastic arrogant ass hat this morning.

          Oh wait, are you just posting this for information and not to support the idea?????

          • But thanks for Coming Across as a sarcastic arrogant ass hat this morning.

            Ma nishtana!

            Translated: “why should today be any different?”

            Oh wait, are you just posting this for information and not to support the idea?????

            Oh, absolutely not.

            I think Donald “no President has ever been treated worse” Trump is the biggest crybaby victimhood-complex case in the history of the planet.

            I think he could, at a moments’ notice get onto virtually any news network he wanted and/or have his minions send out his messages just as widely. He has plenty of voice. He could hold a press conference any time he wanted. He could get on the radio. It’s ironic that the “mainstream media” he has spent years demonizing remains at his beck and call.

            Boo fucking hoo.

            He violated the TOS and a private company kicked him off their platform. Thems the breaks. He’s been bitching about media bias since before his election, and has gotten more coverage than anyone in history, including fawning bootlicking fetishistic coverage from Fox “News” for the last four years, to say nothing of the new upstarts like OANN.

            His victimhood complex is a mile wide and I’m sick of it.

            He’s the goddamned President of the United States. If he wants to be heard, he will be heard.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              PROVE that he violated the TOS. Go ahead, I dare you.

              Nobody can prove they did nor did not violate the TOS because they don’t exist in reality. The exist only in the minds of those who operate the systems. And they change by the hour.

              And I have had it with people like you who can’t distinguish between the MENTAL weakness of the left (snowflakes) and people who complain about unequal treatment by politicians and/or media. You are really good at the FALSE EQUIVALENCY.

              I seem to recall Mr. Obama and his minions doing a lot of complaining about they were “mistreated”. And I do not recall you calling them whiners.

              • Nobody can prove they did nor did not violate the TOS because they don’t exist in reality.

                Nonsense, JAC.

                The TOS are written in such a way that they can boot virtually anyone at any time for any reason.

                There are completely one-sided “contracts.”

                Here’s Apple’s Developer Agreement which you must agree to submit an app via the App store.

                10) Apple may terminate or suspend you as a registered Apple Developer at any time in Apple’s sole discretion.

                And failure to abide by App Store Guidelines:
                Guideline 1.1 – Safety – Objectionable Content

                We found that your app includes content that some users may find upsetting, offensive, or otherwise objectionable. Specifically, we found direct threats of violence and calls to incite lawless action.

                Guideline 1.2 – Safety – User Generated Content

                Your app enables the display of user-generated content but does not have sufficient precautions in place to effectively manage objectionable content present in your app.

                There was a nice writeup on Parler’s website that I read about, not that they’d not violated the rules, but how they felt there was a double-standard in that other people also broke the rules and weren’t banned (as though “they also break the rules” is a defense for “so it’s ok for me to do so”). Without any commentary on any perceived hypocrisy, I’ll just note that I can’t link to this because, ironically, the Parler website is no longer on the internet.

        • Does he look like he is at home? What are those things in the background?

          • Those look to me like tractors or (maybe) riding mowers… no idea where he was.

            But it’s Nunes, those might be the diesel generators of the VIP shelter he’s cowering in.

            • They are antique John Deere tractors from the ’50s. He is in the farm museum in the central valley. I can’t read the model numbers but the one on the left looks like a Model A from its size. The one on the right could be an H. On the far right is either a Ford or a Massey-Ferguson.

  24. Just A Citizen says:

    When times get tough you find out what kind of metal many are made from. I suppose if you are in the Mathius camp this guy is a hero. If you are in the Anita camp he is a coward. I personally think him a coward and opportunist. A guy who throws a fit and takes his ball home because the “team” wouldn’t play his way. I will have to guess he wasn’t in Congress when the Democrats “objected” to EC votes.

    https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2021/01/11/republican-no-gops-existential-crisis/

    • I suppose if you are in the Mathius camp this guy is a hero

      Hero is too big of a word. Without knowing more, I’d read this as “rats feeling a sinking ship.”

      I personally think him a coward and opportunist.

      AH! So we’re on the same side here! HUZZAH!

  25. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

    Link

    ————-

    Expectation:
    From the left: cops were in on it, which is why they were able to breach to easily. Proof that Trump & Co pulled strings to help their coup stand a better chance of success.

    From the right: cops were in on it, proof that it was an Antifa setup.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      The Officer is waving at someone. Who? How many? Where is he wanting them to go?

      People are not exactly “close” to the Capital building in this photo. So I reject the claims, your opinions actually, by both sides at this point. I do think the title on the clip was SARCASM, however.

      As to the broader issue of police letting people in, I think that goes back to the riots in D.C. last year. It was widely reported then, and last week, that the D.C. Police and Capital Police decided, or were told, to take a “lighter” approach to demonstrations.

      What is confusing to me at this point is why they were trying to hold them off on on one side and letting them in on the other. I have a couple of thoughts on it but since nobody in the media is doing serious journalism we won’t know for sure.

      My thoughts. The pictures of people being let it are the doors which lead to the gallery. Maybe an effort to keep them off the House floor. Unknown to them, someone inside the building told the rats to hide in the balcony. A truly stupid place to hide.

      I am guessing that the side where force was used to keep protesters out is where direct access to the floor and elevators/stairs which lead to the “emergency exits” are located. Now, I am giving a lot of leeway here to the police in suggesting this as the answer.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Mathius

      The violent effort to enter the building began almost 12 minutes BEFORE Mr. Trump concluded his speech. Thoughts?

      • I don’t know what you want me to conclude from that?

        Trump, so far as I know, is still incapable of time travel.

        • Mathius, if you are paying attention you should conclude that something is rotten in DC. Officers are told to go home at 10:00 am, one hour before Trump’s hour long speech. They were not called back to work. Five bus loads of Antifa like individuals are given police escort into the area and then taken to the barricades. Multiple Trump supporters report seeing small groups plotting the break in and how to incite the crowd. Trump supporters stopped one Antifa type from breaking a window. Multiple videos show cops moving barriers and allowing the protestors to advance onto the steps. Away from the center stage of action, doors are opened and Trump supporters are let in greeting the police as they walk by. Trump supporters walk between the rope lines through statuary hall in an orderly fashion. Meanwhile, the Capitol is breached by the activists in the center in short order. These are the unruly ones. But of course this is all Trump’s fault despite his plea for a peaceful protest and a later plea for people to go home, the later tweet being deleted by Twitter. But there is nothing to see here, move along.

          • Trump was an hour late to the rally. He knew the breach was going to happen. He was late to shield the crowd from what was going down at the capitol.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Anita, my dear. I really hope you do not believe all that.

              He was late. That is all. But it does show that his speech had nothing to do with those who broke into the Capital building.

              • Sorry. I do believe he knew it would happen. Don’t you think there was covert ops swarming the entire district that day? Real time intel running earpiece to earpiece. Bing bing bing, Trump knows.

              • Remember when the FBI had informants in the SDS and other ’60s radical groups? Where is this capability now with all the improved technology? They got the guys in MI who were planning to kidnap Whitmer.

              • Wow.. this is a wild one…

                Anita takes the left’s talking points today…! What a crazy world… Antia, if – IF – Trump knew the breech was going to happen and (A) failed to act or (B) intervened to help more likely to succeed or (B) actively encouraged it, does that not make this a literal, undeniable coup attempt? Is that not just a straight-up attempted coup? Or, at the very least, an impeachable offense? Surely allowing a mob attack on your own capitol is a high crime, no?

                T-Ray, gonna need sources on about a half-dozen assertions you made. I’d also take aim at the claim the cops were on the anti-Trump side when just “letting them in” (if that in fact happened) could more readily be construed as supporting the attempted coup.

                JAC, But it does show that his speech had nothing to do with those who broke into the Capital building. It shows THIS speech had nothing to do with it. But this speech was nothing he hadn’t already said and drummed up a thousand times before. Not that that means those speeches were responsible either, but this really just proves nothing.

              • Mathius, these are from interviews of eye witnesses and videos that I have seen. One internet news program had reported that NPR announced the breach at 9:33 am. They showed the NPR tweet. The next day after contacting NPR, they corrected the story. NPR had a running story for the day and changed the headline in the mid-afternoon w/o changing the time. So I trust them because they did the correction at the beginning of the show. The bus loads of Antifa was an interview of an eye witness. The cops being sent home was an interview of a French reporter who had talked to one of the cops that were sent home. He did not get a call back but ended up returning to work when he saw what was going on on TV. Most of the rest is from posted video footage and other interviews.

                I post all of this because there is no clear answer at this time as to who is responsible for the breach. Both Antifa and MAGA supporters entered the Capitol. Were some of the MAGA supporters aggressive? Possibly. Was Antifa there to cause trouble? Most likely. Until all the people are caught and investigated, we will not know who exactly was involved. Unfortunately, my guess is the Antifa crowd probably kept their masks on and faded away to avoid capture, leaving the more naive Trump supporters to take the fall.

                Now one can ask, were the capitol police in on it? Were they set up? They clearly were understaffed knowing that there would be a sizeable crowd on the mall. Was this deliberate? I also heard that two of the four doors used as escape routs from the House were chained closed from the far side. Officers did not intimately know the layout of the Capitol and all the possible escape routs. Poor training. Many of the cops were not properly equipped. Was the command staff more worried about diversity, critical race theory and other political issues than doing the job? The Col. can answer to whether they had a proper grasp of collapsing defense spaces.

                What we get instead of asking and answering all these questions is orange man bad.

              • Hold Up! I can see where I need to clarify. My fault. My position is that Trump knew they were there, and it would probably get rowdy. The extent it went to would have been unbelievable if someone had scripted it out. He probably figured they would try to breach, but that LEO/military would have it in check. He would never called his supporters to DC for an ambush like that.

  26. Just A Citizen says:

    Good grief. Talk about posturing.

    Duckworth is the latest lawmaker to press the Pentagon for answers following the violent breach of the Capitol. Reps. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) and Jason Crow (D-Colo.) requested Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy brief the House Armed Services Committee by Friday on the Guard’s role in responding to the riot and plans for deploying the Guard in the nation’s capital for President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

    Crow also released a summary of a phone call with McCarthy on Sunday in which the Army secretary said the Pentagon “is aware of further possible threats posed by would-be terrorists in the days up to and including Inauguration Day” and is coordinating with local and federal law enforcement.

  27. Just A Citizen says:

    I have ONE question this morning.

    WHO convinced Mr. Trump that Mr. Pence had any authority/power to deny certification of the EC votes once the joint session voted yes?

    • That’s a really good question.

      I just kind of presumed that he convinced himself, no?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        I do not think so. I think, I do not know, that much of what he claims about many things comes from somewhere else. SOMEONE.

        It could be he gets these ideas from Social Media or alternate sources on the web. I do not know but it comes from someplace. These “ideas” were floating around before the election in the event a large scale fraud did occur. Somehow the armchair Constitutional experts have been getting traction with his advisors, or with him.

        • I remember Trump, at the rally, singled out a ‘John’, and thanked him for the nice job he’d done and blah blah blah. Immediately then, he went into what Pence could do about the electoral votes. Rudy was onstage earlier with John Eastman…the best constitutional mind this side of Mars..blah blah blah. Rudy was spelling out Pence’s options. Eastman followed with and explanation of how they watched the algorithms the night before in Georgia and they saw the exact moment that Biden took the lead there, and how they did it.. He said the same thing happened Nov 3. So my guess is that Rudy and Eastman had his ear. Rudy was saying that everything they proposed was legal and constitutional.

        • Somehow the armchair Constitutional experts have been getting traction with his advisors, or with him.

          Could be… I’d be shocked – SHOCKED – if Trump has actually read the Constitution end-to-end or the full text of the relevant arcane laws.

          It took me, oh, two hours to get through the one I posted the other day and I reach the same conclusion every single source I’d consider “reliable” reached before me – that there was no path, whatsoever, to legally change this outcome short of a whole lot of Blue Shirts in congress voting with Trump. Other than that, the only option was tanks-in-the-street-coup.

          What kind of yes-men is he surrounding himself with? Of, if they are speaking the truth to him, what kind of mental state must he be in latch onto a fantasy in this way?

          ——

          Imagine you, JAC, are running a company and your accountant comes to you and says “well, I’ve run the numbers, and we’re going to go bankrupt, there’s no way around it.” And, instead of listening, you fire him, then start asking everyone else in your company until the janitor pipes up and says “no, everything’s, fine, you just have to renegotiate with creditors.” So you make him your new CFO… right up until the bank forecloses on you, and then you blame the banks for not doing what your janitor said they would.

          I mean, that’s crazy, right? No one should run a business or country like this, right?

          What am I missing?

          This has to be “yes men” or “motivated reasoning,” no? Either way, it’s delusional.

          ——

          And what’s very interesting is the number of people who bought into the delusion and who became armchair constitutional scholars, believing that Pence had powers he absolutely did not. It’s one thing for a crazy guy to believe something at blatant odds with objective reality, but what do you make of millions who followed him blindly into that delusion?

    • I don’t know but I do recall that someone was trying to get a court ruling on that. The way I interpreted the appropriate clauses, he was just a figurehead. I do think he could have asked Congress to at least agree to setting up a bipartisan commission to investigate the election and provide guidance on future elections. As it sits now, we will never know the level of fraud in the election. So the sore will fester only to erupt again in the future.

  28. Just A Citizen says:

  29. Just A Citizen says:

    Oh REALLY! That is what happened?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/533657-capitol-police-officer-hailed-as-hero-for-drawing-rioters-away-from-senate

    The thing I noticed with this video from the start was there was only one or two people who were really challenging the officer. And whenever he stood his ground they stopped or stepped back. I am sure he felt threatened but he was single handedly able to get them to stop.

    But now he “saved lives”??? Sorry, not buying it. When he retreats he leaves every door behind him vulnerable. He was not laying down a trail of candy corn for the folks to follow.

    Now a key point is made in the “quotes” from various Rats. It goes to Mathius’ question which Anita accurately answered.

    There was an office with a semi-automatic rifle standing between Schumer and McConnell. Anyone trying to lay a hand on them would have died.

    • It looks staged to me. How did the photographer get behind the cop? Why was the baton strategically located on the floor? Why lead them into a larger room and not keep them confined to a narrow hallway?

  30. Looks like I have been censored….will try again…..

    Mathius, I will answer your question and I hope that I will get an unbiased response….

    You asked a question of where does one draw the line on capitalism. It is obvious that you are on the side of media and being “private”. So where does capitalism stop. Well, sir, we have an act called the Sherman Anti trust act. I know you are familiar with it. Also, the Federal Trade Commission Act. It states The Sherman Act outlaws “every contract, combination, or conspiracy in restraint of trade,” and any “monopolization, attempted monopolization, or conspiracy or combination to monopolize.” Certain acts are considered so harmful to competition that they are almost always illegal. These include plain arrangements among competing individuals or businesses to fix prices, divide markets, or rig bids. These acts are “per se” violations of the Sherman Act; in other words, no defense or justification is allowed.

    The Federal Trade Commission Act bans “unfair methods of competition” and “unfair or deceptive acts or practices.” The Supreme Court has said that all violations of the Sherman Act also violate the FTC Act.

    Now, is it a stretch, in your opinion, that, as you stated, if the heads of all these companies got together to silence a competitor, that it violates either of these acts. That the three companies control such a large portion of everything, that they have conspired together to eliminate any other competition by the controls that they have.

    Now, since you brought up HUAC, then is it a stretch that if these three companies are in contact with the incoming administration and the incoming administration says or even implies that if the big three shut out any competing news outlet, they will get favorable treatment in the future, to say that this could fall under HUAC (see McCarthy-ism).

    Do you think that this becomes even more exacerbated by the fact that so many large donors that were executives of these companies are now appointed to various government positions that will write and enact future policy? Should this fall under HUAC? In other words, should any administration, no matter whom it may be, that rewards donors by putting them in charge of certain commissions or rules writing, from the very companies that are now engaged in collective censoring, be a violation of HUAC or even the Sherman or FTC?

    Add to this, the comments made by the soon to be head of the FCC, by not allowing certain frequencies or internet access for what THEY determine to be wrong, fall under HUAC?

    Can you answer these without bias? They are relevant observations that have happened or, in the case of the FCC, about to happen.

    • That’s the second Sherman of the day here at SUFA. That can’t be a coincidence.

      Petition to declare January 11th Sherman Day on SUFA?

      Now, is it a stretch, in your opinion, that, as you stated, if the heads of all these companies got together to silence a competitor, that it violates either of these acts.

      Probably.

      Note that Parler was not a competitor of Amazon, Apple, or Google, however.

      That the three companies control such a large portion of everything, that they have conspired together to eliminate any other competition by the controls that they have.

      AWS perhaps less so as that’s a different market than Apple or Google.

      Competition exists within the hosting space (including at Google), but there are only a handful of Big players, and none of them are stupid enough to knowingly take on a radioactive entity like Parler. So, given this, should AWS be forced to continue hosting them when people are protesting Amazon and threatening boycotts of the Amazon store and other AWS services? I mean, Amazon is so big, it’s hard to take the threats serious, but still.

      Conversely, Apple and Google, collectively, OWN the cell phone operating market in the US. There are alternatives, but they really are non-viable. If Apple and Google put the bullet in your head, you go down. That’s a rock-solid duopoly.

      And, as I said previously, I have no doubt they coordinated.

      The question here, as it applies to Sherman, is whether they are improper to do so. Both have TOS which were violated (I don’t think anyone denies this). Parler is not competition to either of them. Nothing in this was “deceptive.” One might argue “unfair,” but, well, that’s a bit of a stretch.. since when is anything in capitalism “fair”?

      I am not, contrary to popular impression, an actual laywer, and you’d have to consult one to see if Sherman applies here, but I would think not.

      At the end of the day, Apple and Google (and Amazon) have no interest in being forced to associate with or provide hosting or other services to a business which harms their own interests/image and which exposes them to potential liability.

      ——-

      A thought experiment:

      Imagine that you, Mr. The Colonel, were a supplier of beef to an annual fair. All is well and good, you continue year after year. One day, you notice that the fair has gotten a mite sketchy, but you comfort yourself that your contract has a clause about being able to cancel at any time if there are reputational or liability concerns. The next year, you notice that the fair has become a hotspot for the KKK, with openly sponsored booths with booths promoting ethnic cleansing, the works. Sure, you look around, and you see lots of normal folks, too, but also, you know, the Klan.

      So you write to the management and say.. ‘yea, no… I’m not going to have any part of this, buy your beef elsewhere.” And it turns out that no one else wants to be associated with either, their other supplier pulls out, too. And because you two are the biggest and no one else will touch it, the fair collapses. (because who wants to go to a fair without a barbeque?).

      Now the question here is, even assuming you coordinated with your competetor… did you do anything wrong? Not even “illegal,” just “wrong”.. if the fair demands you continue selling them beef, should you have to do so just because no one else will, even though your contract expressly allows you to stop?

      ——-

      Now, since you brought up HUAC, then is it a stretch that if these three companies are in contact with the incoming administration and the incoming administration says or even implies that if the big three shut out any competing news outlet, they will get favorable treatment in the future, to say that this could fall under HUAC (see McCarthy-ism).

      Umm… that was my question.

      But, since we’re on the topic, this begets what I posted the other day… “won’t anyone rid me of this troublesome priest”.. at what point does a “suggestion” by the bigger power become an order? And to what extent does the bigger power bear responsibility for those who carry out what can very reasonably be construed as an order?

      Using Trumpian Standards, anything short of an explicit word-for-word instruction to do a thing does not count, and the greater power bears zero responsibility whatsoever for any actions by other people.

      Using Standards-For-Liberals, well.. you tell me?

      Do you think that this becomes even more exacerbated by the fact that so many large donors that were executives of these companies are now appointed to various government positions that will write and enact future policy? Should this fall under HUAC? In other words, should any administration, no matter whom it may be, that rewards donors by putting them in charge of certain commissions or rules writing, from the very companies that are now engaged in collective censoring, be a violation of HUAC or even the Sherman or FTC?

      I don’t know what this has to do with anything, but no, there should be no inside ball.

      Add to this, the comments made by the soon to be head of the FCC, by not allowing certain frequencies or internet access for what THEY determine to be wrong, fall under HUAC?

      (A) I still haven’t seen a source for this and
      (B) That was MY question, damnit!

      Can you answer these without bias?

      I’m a liberal.

      I can’t even eat breakfast without bias.

      They are relevant observations that have happened or, in the case of the FCC, about to happen.

      Yes, that’s why I asked it!

      • I have to give you this….you are the master of non answer…..you sure you are not a lawyer? A Jewish lawyer at that?

        • But… but I’m not even a real lawyer! I just play one on the internet.

          (Disclaimer, Mathius does have a family tree chock full of lawyers)

          What non-answer are you objecting to?

          And why should I answer your question, when you ignored my post observing that zip-tie-handcuffs guy #2 is a retired colonel from Texas..?

          • I plead the 5th.

            • Besides….first, the man was a Lt Colonel…..not even a real Colonel…..2nd, he was from the Air Force….wearing combat gear…..third he was an A-10 driver…….and as you say, giving the benefit of the doubt, play stupid games, etc…….no one picks up zip tie cuffs off the floor unless you want a death sentence.

              So I look the guy up…..he is not from Texas, he is from Wisconsin and retired in Texas. THIS does not a Texan make.

              A real Texan would not have worn a helmet but a 100x Beaver Stetson. Secondly, a real Texan would not lower himself to zip ties….a real Texan would fashion any cuffs out of barbed wire. This man was a pansy. He would have carried the wired cuffs in one hand and a DR Pepper in the other. Geez, man, don’t you know anything?

              • Just A Citizen says:

                A 100X Beaver hat would look more like this:

                And at 100X it may not even be dead yet.

      • I don’t know what this has to do with anything, but no, there should be no inside ball. Has everything to do with it……large donors from the same companies that have banned conservative postings (not just Trump) are going to write new rules that benefit them or there companies even though they are now employed by the government but still hold lots of stock in said companies…..there are 2 from Facebook, 1 from Twitter, and 4 from Google that are now part of Biden’s administration. But forget that they are Biden’s administration and lets concentrate upon ANY administration. Should donors be promised and given prestigious postings on committees and rules making that affect their own interests?

        I still haven’t seen a source for this and Sorry, thought I told you I watched the interview on MSNBC Business.

        That’s a rock-solid duopoly. Ok DUOPOLY…should they be broken up?

        Using Standards-For-Liberals, well.. you tell me? No, you tell me…you are the one that constantly brings up the phrase…”words have meanings”…….and no, I do not buy into the mantra that a suggestion is an order…but what the hell, I am military. As a Colonel, if I make a statement something along the lines of….” Damn, that new general is sure a pain in the ass..I wish someone would get rid of him.” And my chief of staff hears this……and goes and gets rid of him……NO, that does not rise to incitement or even an order and I bear no responsibility at all…..it was not even a suggestion…..just wishful thinking on my part.

        Or Biden, sitting behind Harris’ desk, makes a comment, “I sure wish someone would regulate the thought process on Fox news” and then some head of communications does just that….no, that is not a surmised order or even a suggestion.

        If Trump says, if you do not like the outcome, march right down there to Congress and tell them. That is your right…..there is nothing suggestive in there to say break in, kill a cop and trash the place….and Trump bears no responsibility.

        Remember in 2011, when mobs of democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol Building and occupied it for a couple weeks…..We were told by President Obama and Nancy Pelosi….”This is what democracy looks like”…..THAT is inflammatory because it condones and incites.

  31. Considering the actions of Social Media/Amazon lately, I had a thought about what the future might hold should this continue to happen.

    Let’s say that the CEO of Mathius’s company has pissed off some politician and said politician decides to punish the CEO and the company. A few weeks later, a registered letter hits the CEO’s desk.

    Dear, Sir,

    It has been determined that your company has a long list of clients (listed below) who donate to politicians who have incited violence in the past and will likely do so in the future. With that in mind, our company has determined that you and your company are in violation of out TOS. If your services are not immediately denied to the listed clients, you ability to work online will be terminated. All you online services will cease to exist at 12:00 am 3 days from now.

    While we understand that this list equals 4/5ths of your clientele, this action is not reversible if our timeline isn’t meant.

    Within minutes, said CEO has numerous other letters stating the same thing. Mathius finds himself filing for unemployment as he has been blacklisted by these same people.

  32. WASHINGTON, D.C.—A review of Trump’s statements last week made it clear that he was inciting violence, as he very clearly told people to “remain peaceful” and not carry out any violence.

    The dangerous cult leader encouraged his followers to protest at the Capitol, but to remain peaceful, which is an obvious instance of inciting violence, according to leading language experts and journalists.

    “Let’s all remain peaceful,” he said, which clearly meant, “Go burn down the Capitol Building.”

    “No violence!” added the deranged lunatic, which, according to the New York Times, was a dog whistle for “Minions, attack!”

    “Go home,” he added, which meant, “Keep pressing the attack! We will not be defeated! Blow stuff up!”

    At publishing time, Trump had said, “I’ve always encouraged peaceful protesting,” which meant he wanted his followers to go ransack an Arby’s.

  33. Canine Weapon says:

  34. Backup for JAC’s claim that the breach occurred well before the speech ended. Also says The chief, Sund, repeated…even begged…for Guard troops, but McConnell and Pelosi and others balked.
    https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/ex-capitol-police-chief-says-pelosi-mcconnells-sergeants-at-arms-refused-security-measures-while-new-timeline-proves-trump-incitement-claims-bogus/

  35. Just A Citizen says:

    Using the same teams and tech as they did during the election hugh? Freudian SLIP.

    https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2021/01/11/it-continues-facebook-announces-purge-of-popular-rallying-cry-of-trump-fans-n308335

  36. PGA, Bill Belichick, …. Ridiculous. I thought it was time for healing?

  37. Just A Citizen says:

    Opinion

    Ever Congress Person who called for or offered support for Censoring Mr. Trump or anyone for their statements about the election should be included in Articles of Impeachment filed Tomorrow. By Friday at the latest, since the R’s haven’t found their jewels yet.

    An elected official openly supporting Censorship of political speech has committed a Crime against the Constitution. This is REAL insurrection, even treason if you look to the Constitution as the locale of fealty and not the nation state.

    Nancy Pelosi should be Impeached with an additional charge of Sedition with intent to overthrow the govt. He call to the Pentagon to “negotiate” how things should proceed was a violation of the law.

  38. I have asked multiple time if this is the America we want? I do not recognize this country any more. Think back 30 years. None of this would have been tolerated.

  39. Just A Citizen says:

    Oh, look at what is actually allowed on Twitter. Personal threats OK. Claiming election was stolen….NOT OK.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2021/01/11/watch-antifa-demands-a-local-bookstore-stop-selling-andy-ngos-book-about-antifas-nasty-tactics-n2582974

  40. Just A Citizen says:

    So, I been doing a little thinking about all the names/titles or adjectives used the past few days to describe those who entered the Capital, those who marched and those who spoke out against the fraudulent election.

    Let’s start with the idea of Coup. This is a deliberate effort to take over a govt. in order to replace it with another. So exactly what was being “taken over”? What was it “being replaced with”??

    Another is “domestic terrorism” which means “terrorism” plain and simple. Defined this means the “deliberate” use of violence, or threats of violence to achieve political objectives. Ah, sounds like this could have some weight, especially since Congress are “non combatants”. But here is the problem. If the political objective is to get the Govt. to adhere to the rule of law, to carry out the Constitution, then is this really terrorism? Terrorism is almost always aimed at getting Govt. to change. Either the Govt. itself or some other fundamental part of it. Like trying to get people to force the Govt. to adopt Socialist policies.

    What do you call a Terrorist who is threatening people in order to get the Govt. to adhere to its own laws????????

    As far as the use of “traitor” and “insurrection” etc, someone please explain WHAT GOVT was being threatened or overthrown? The Dems are trying to throw out a POTUS before the end of his term. That is a COUP by definition. Except, POTUS is NOT THE GOVT. And low and behold, neither is Congress in and of itself.

    Our Govt. consists of Three Branches and that Evil Doctor who pulls the strings, The Federal Reserve. The only part of the Govt. which has been directly threatened with being overthrown is the POTUS.

    For the record. Actually threatening a Congress Rat in person, that is a real threat to their well being is a threat of violence. Terrorism or not it is against the law. Although I still do not know why when Congress Rats can threaten me. I digress. My point was going to be that I LIKED THE GALLOWS being displayed in the mall. That is a CLASSIC POLITICAL STATEMENT and Icon of demonstrations against Tyranny.

    Some are trying to use the Gallows itself as an act of terrorism. I am calling bulldookey on that.

  41. I looked at a couple of BB articles then scrolled down the comments. Only 3 comments on each article. The sickness is spreading.

  42. Wow….even the FBI is complicit….now warning about protests and armed violent protests in all 50 states……the news media hammering out issues about the National Guard and why the POTUS does not call them out. Apparently, they do not know shit from shinola….the POTUS cannot call them out.

    I am very wired in to the M I branch….and we are not expecting anything in Texas, unless it is Antifa or BLM or some other affiliate. We are, however, ready.

    • I read the last line quickly and thought you said “unless it is Anita.”

      • You have NO clue how many times I think I’ve seen my name in print this year.

        I won’t even pick on Mathius for spelling my name Antia a few times 🙂

        • I won’t even pick on Mathius for spelling my name Antia a few times

          Ha! Sorry… the curse of typing so much…

  43. arrêter le vol

    • I believe the Capital Riot / Failed Coup has a body count up to five now.

      And, for those keeping score, that’s higher than Benghazi.

      ———

      As for the rest of it, if you are going to willfully ignore that the left condemned the violence and rioting and looting, well, that’s just your bias.

      And if you’re going to pretend there was “no outrage,” well, you’re just out of your goddamned mind. You people were screaming to the rafters about it, and demanding that I accept your willful conflation of the underlying grievance with the violence of the worst elements (and opportunists) within it. There couldn’t have been more outrage if you’d tried.

      And, just to wrap this up, if you don’t see a difference between looters stealing tv’s from a target and people attacking the seat of government in order to overthrow an election, brother, I just can’t help you.

      • Oh bullshit. 3 maybe four medical conditions and one shot. Besides the cops WERE around to save the day, which they didn’t, unlike Benghazi.

        Condemning and doing something about it is two different things.

        I have a headache already.

        • Does that include the police officer who was beaten by the mob and subsequently died as a result of his injuries?

          Or is that a “medical condition”?

      • Sure, we all watched the outrage from the Left:

  44. Colonel,

    First, Mathius is giving the normal response of the left. They wanted this to be a coup and they know all along what it really was…..and it was not a coup or even an insurrection….

    So what was it?

    • The same as what has been happening all summer, except without the arson, car burning and total destruction of local business’s. In fact, rather calm in comparison.

    • From their point of view, the coup was what was going on inside the chambers.

      • No argument here. Everyone is the hero in their own story.

        But by that logic, there’s almost no such thing a coup.

        • Just A Citizen says:

          A COUP INVOLVES A DELIBERATE TAKE OVER OF GOVT WITH THE PURPOSE OF REPLACING IT.

          Now take your kiddie toys and go back to the basement with your dog.

          • Takeover…. overturning of an election in order to install your choses President… to-may-toh / to-mah-toh…

            The fact of the matter is that Blue Team won.

            That’s it, they won.

            Like, hate, it doesn’t matter.

            They won.

            Red Team sued and sued and sued and tried every legal avenue open to them, even some rather extraordinary ones and real hail Mary longshots. And they all failed.

            So Blue Team wins.

            Did Blue Team cheat? I have no doubt.
            Did Red Team cheat? I have no doubt.
            Did either team cheat enough to alter the outcome of the election? I have no idea.

            But Red Team failed to make their case via any kind of legal avenue, so Blue Team gets the Big Chair. And thems the breaks.

            So, rather than lick their wounds, members of Red Team stormed the capitol to force congress to vote the way they wanted to overturn the results of the election.

            And some of them brought handcuffs. And there were also pipe bombs discovered, too, lest we forget. And the police just arrested a guy from Alabama for bringing a pickup truck loaded with molotovs and a “cache of firearms, including an automatic weapon” which he parked nearby – that same guy was arrested in DC on the day of the riot while carrying a 9mm.

            For 99% of the people on that hill that day, this was just a protest: “I’m pissed and I want you to know it and, if you have the power to change things, I want you to do it!” “I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore.”

            But from 1%, it was much more than that. “this is 1776” shouted union-lady while sobbing about being maced for, you know, attempting to have what she presumably thought of as a 1776-style revolution. For a subset of this group, including handcuffs guy and others, this was an opportunity to overturn the election BY FORCE.

            And overturning the election by force is a coup.

            They might have believed – I have no doubt – that they were doing the “right thing” and that their country had been stolen and they were taking it back. But it doesn’t matter. The law has spoken and they tried to install the government of their choice by force.

            In any other country, we’d call that an attempted coup when loyalists of the losing faction refuse to admit their loss and try to use force to stay in power, we’d call that a coup.

            • Just A Citizen says:

              Mathius

              YOU do NOT KNOW what their goal was. In fact the left wing media has reported it as “delaying the vote”. At least until Ms. Pelosi changed the narrative. Now some are spreading the crap you spout so I can only conclude that is where you are getting it.

              There appears to be a group of militants involved. Were they together, as in a planned attack? We DO NOT YET KNOW. But I can tell you that a real coup does not involve people blending into a crowd and then creating chaos in the streets. It is FOCUSED on takeover of the Govt. So far it appears these wingnuts were focused on just reeking havoc and maybe, I say maybe, kidnapping a Rat or two.

              Now for your other point which really sticks in my craw.

              “But Red Team failed to make their case via any kind of legal avenue, so Blue Team gets the Big Chair. And thems the breaks.”

              This really irritates me because I spent a lot of time posting here the information available as well as the opinions of legal experts involved in all this. First, the Red Team was NOT GIVEN the chance to present its case. NOT ONCE. The Courts either dismissed cases due to standing or latches, or they simply accepted the States arguments and then said “you have no proof” the State is wrong.

              What the reasoned Legal folks involved have said is that “we have discovered that the system is not designed to deal with the apparent level of fraud or irregularities.” And the Courts have shown a great reluctance to get involved at all, let alone for something this big.

              The Courts are happy to take on the cases of Joe Blow who gets caught. But NOTICE that in these cased the Court DOES NOT require the votes to be changed or dismissed. They always can declare “it wasn’t enough to matter”.

              So the ACCURATE statement is that the Red Team could not overcome the Rigged System and thus the Blue Team won. And the FACT is that this rigged system would apply to either side, not just the R’s.

            • So, put a label on these items….

              Remember in 2011 when tens of thousands of Democrats surged on the Wisconsin Capitol building in Madison and physically occupied it for more than two weeks? We were told, “This is what democracy looks like.”

              How about: Remember in 2016 when Obama was President and hundreds of BLM blocked interstate highways and violently accosted police? We were told, “To assign the actions of one person to an entire movement is dangerous and irresponsible.”

              Or: Remember this summer’s riots in major cities across the country when groups of Democrats marched in the streets, set buildings on fire, looted businesses, assaulted and even killed bystanders and police? We were told, “These are mostly peaceful protests.”

              Maybe this one: Remember when Democrats ( they identified themselves) seized several blocks of the Capitol Hill neighborhood in downtown Seattle, declaring it an autonomous zone? Remember the guns ad deaths and utter destruction? We were told, “It’s a block party atmosphere.” By the Democrat in charge.

              Or: Remember when a crazed mob gathered after the Republican National Convention and attacked Rand Paul, a sitting U.S. Senator? We were told, “No justice, no peace.”

              Even this: Remember how police were told to stand down, governors refused to call in the national guard, and Democrats paid bail for violent protesters who were arrested? We were told, “This is the only way oppressed people can be heard.”

              “The inflammatory rhetoric of the Left (and also Republicans who stay silent) caused this, and it’s about time for the establishment politicians (Democrats and Republicans) and the mainstream media took responsibility for dividing Americans and attempting to
              humiliate those who support the President or any conservative ideals. They have pushed people to the brink, even while claiming, “It’s time for unity.” It’s time for careful reflection and change on all sides. God help us!”

              So, is the only difference in your mind, that a hijacked rally is different than the examples above simply because it was the Capitol building? That’s it?

    • An attempt to smear a legacy?

      • Could you clarify?

        • I don’t know why I should bother, and I’m not going to put too much effort into this. They tried for for years to get him. FAIL. He still accomplished more WITHOUT THEM than they can absorb into their thinking. In short, he worked circles around them and showed how they are basically irrelevant. So put him down with the most unbelievable show to burn an event into the public’s perception . Ain’t gonna work.

  45. Ron Paul posted an article he wrote on his Facebook page that was critical of Social medias banning of President Trump. Shortly after, he joined Trump as Facebook blocked his account.

    But censorship of conservative voices isn’t happening.

    • Yup… lots of people losing their jobs over this and/or winding up on the no-fly list.

      That’s what happens sometimes.. my guess is that he did more than “attend the protest.” You don’t get relieved of your teaching position in deep red Allentown for attending a Trump rally unless you did more than just “attend.”

  46. The following is intended for informational purposes only and not as advice.

    I just finished a very exhausting research project into the stocks and bond markets and the international markets and it looks pretty scary out there for the average investor and those firms that invest other people’s 401, IRA, etc.

    One thing that I look at are P/E ratios of trading companies. For example, the P/E ratio for Tesla is 1,600 and change while the industry averages run 16 to 18…..Tesla has a debt to equity ratio of 65.6%, yet, many 401s have this in their portfolios. I see a lot of these types of margins all over certain industries and they are great indicators of what the economy is going to do. Now, admittedly, I have a masters in finance and understand how to read balance sheets and operating statements and I understand ratios in the market place. But many, many people do not have this understanding. They trust others to do their thinking….

    Think about what I just said………”they trust others to do their thinking”………………my old pappy used to repeat the phrase, “a fool and his money are soon parted”………..No one is responsible for your money except you…learn and look hard at how your money is invested, if you have savings,,…there is a wealth of knowledge out there and perhaps it is time for the common investor or those who have 401s etc, to learn terminology and how it applies to your personal money.

    Just food for thought……I am watching several indicators that are beginning to worry me with the upcoming change in administration.

    • Mathius is short Tesla… and got crushed on it last year, erasing all of his gains from Apple.

      I retain both positions for 2021.

      No TSLA in my 401k or any saving accounts and hedged out where possible.

      Just food for thought……I am watching several indicators that are beginning to worry me with the upcoming change in administration.

      This has been a long time coming… Tesla didn’t get to a PE of 1600 only after November.

      BitCoin down to 34k from 40k the other day.. if the 50-state protest nonsense happens, we can look for it to hit 60k. If not, it’s a simple hold for the inevitable screaming about the size of the national debt once Biden takes over. Either way, look for 60k by March. DO NOT INVEST ANYTHING YOU CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE.

  47. Wow….someone got to Cuomo….now saying…we must open the economy. He is about to get a handout from Joe Biden…and now he wants to open up. Geez…..he finally sees other states that have opened up are doing well….

    He has ruined the State and now he has to change……or lose it forever.

  48. Texas legislature opens today…….first thing on the agenda is the balance budget. There is a one billion shortfall in the budget for the next two years. The consensus is that we have 11 billion in the rainy day fund…no need to raise fees or taxes. Several Democrats are not showing up because the legislature has already sent the word out that there will be no new taxes and Texas will live with its income. So, no new pet projects are out there…..and even if there were, Governor Abbot has the power of line item veto.

    The games have began…

  49. Colonel,

    Is Lt. Colonel Zip-Tie-Handcuffs-Guy #2 subject to court martial? If so, what would that look like?

    • Great question but no sir, he is not subject to courts martial. He is retired and has not been called to active duty. He certainly will not be called back now…he has been “tagged”…he cannot lose his benefits unless taken to civilian court and convicted on treason or inciting insurrection. The bar is very high on that. Very high. If this becomes the case, then he could lose all military benefits and retirement but that would take a military arraignment and conviction.

      The military law is very different, as you know. For example, a DUI in the civilian world does not carry the same punishment as a DUI on a military reservation. Even if picked up while on active duty, the civilian authorities call the military police for disposition. Hint: DO NOT GET A DUI on any military reservation…the penalties are quite harsh. You can get drunk and walk in front of a tank…that is ok if you walked. Do not do it while driving…..and DAMN sure do not do it while driving a military vehicle. I have seen a Leavenworth conviction on a first time DUI before.

      But, to answer your question, he could face severe punishment in a military court, if it were applicable. It is not, in this case.

  50. Just A Citizen says:

    We are starting to see what the future D.C. will look like. Always under extreme security. The Rats got scared so they will build up the defenses BIGGLY.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/congress-briefing-us-capitol-threats/index.html

    Kind of funny how now the LE organizations SUDDENLY have so much detailed intelligence on what is being planned.

    • Yes, sir, quite the coincidence.

    • Kind of funny how now the LE organizations SUDDENLY have so much detailed intelligence on what is being planned.

      Kind of funny how they didn’t before 1/6.

      Everyone and their mother knew that there was a radical subset within the larger protest body. I’ve posted a dozen “parleys” here to that effect and seen a hundred more. The FBI apparently warned the capitol police, too.

      If you’d asked me if there was going to be violence, I’d have probably said “unlikely, but there’s a non-zero chance of a few fringe radicals trying something stupid, so be well prepared.”

      (something I don’t know if I’ve made clear: while 99% of the crowd were just average-joes doing an average protest, of the 1% who went inside, probably a majority of them were just overly enthusiastic idiots who were in the wrong place at the wrong time and kind of went with the flow. When I talk about the “coup,” I’m talking about a subset within the subset. I’m talking about zip cuffs guys and pipe bomber and Molotov guy, etc.)

      • Just A Citizen says:

        Mathius

        OK, nice clarification but that works against your “coup” argument and more FOR your “acts of terrorism” argument.

        I would like to point out now that most of the people caught by the FBI were identified by people who were there providing pictures and descriptions. Hell, some were turned in by friends back home who saw their pictures on their phones.

  51. Just A Citizen says:

    OK, we have it on good authority:

    “The FBI said on Friday that it determined that no members of the left-wing movement antifa were involved in the storming of the Capitol.”

    Of course they have not explained the KNOWN Antifa guy who was next to the girl who got shot and who filmed it, and who apparently entered the Capital. But hey, he claims he is a journalist so no problemo.

    • “The FBI said on Friday that it determined that no members of the left-wing movement antifa were involved in the storming of the Capitol.”

      I have no idea how anyone could possibly make this assertion with any kind of confidence.

      Unless / until they round up every single person who was there and analyze them by ideology, how can they possibly know they didn’t “miss” an antifa agitator?

      • Just A Citizen says:

        So we find ourselves in agreement again today.

        Of course let’s remember that not long ago the FBI claimed that the group was NOT ORGANIZED and thus almost impossible to track.

        For the record, I DO NOT believe that claim either.

  52. Just A Citizen says:

    PURITY testing has begun as the Secret Service, Capital Police, the National Guard and other agencies begin to vet their members to hunt down anyone supporting Mr. Trump and/or the demonstrations in D.C. and/or any “conspiracy theories” about the election.

  53. This one is for Mathius 😀 😀

  54. Just A Citizen says:

    I think those claiming that the Social Media cleansing that is ongoing is about them making money are missing the real purpose. These companies do not have to purge people to keep making money. They CONTROL the flow of money. They are not dependent upon others.

    There is plenty of evidence that the break in of the Capital and all the other garbage tied to it was caused by Social Media. It is there in plain site for those who care to see it. Their own people alerted our Govt. to this problem a few years ago. NOTHING was done. Because the Rats like the money.

    So the real purpose of the surge is to create the appearance that they are cleaning up their act. But they are not. They are attacking one side so far. And they are not addressing the fundamental problem. It is not that Fake News exists. It is that they use it to deliberately manipulate YOU.

  55. Just A Citizen says:

    WHO were in those vans the police escorted to the front of the line by the Capital? The one’s many people are saying were Antifa. WHO were they and WHY did they get escorted?

    My opinion has been since day one that they were LEO’s. If not then who were they and what did they do once there?

  56. Just A Citizen says:

    The BIGGER Antifa question.

    WHY weren’t they there? Why didn’t we see large numbers of “Counter Protesters” in D.C. last week?

    They have been at every single Republican/Conservative/Trump rally. Especially when the “Proud Boys” are known to be attending.

    So many questions that should be asked and answered. Yet we are focused on stupid tricks, like impeaching Mr. Trump and trying to censure or expel two Senators.

    • The questions have answers, it’s called an event meant to blame a group for political purposes, or false flag event. This is what’s being warned about the Jan 20th armed protests. I’m looking for vids of white vans.

      • Just A Citizen says:

        I am NOT buying that explanation without a hell of a lot more evidence.

        The video I saw of the vans showed little. The claims of Antifa were made by the narrator doing the video. So that is NOT proof. That is his speculation or even could be his misdirection.

        • That is what I remember about the white vans narrative. What is interesting, I have read some stories about them, but can’t find those stories now. But I’m still searching.

        • OK, the video wasn’t from DC, but from Minneapolis at an earlier date.

  57. Any person who simply walked the halls of the US Capitol Building during last week’s protest is being labeled a “domestic terrorist” by the American establishment.

    However, in 1983, a pair of left-wing terrorists detonated a bomb in the U.S. Capitol Building only for the two criminals to be pardoned on behalf of House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler and then-President Bill Clinton.

    The explosion, which occurred just outside the Senate chamber, also blew the door off Democrat Leader Robert Byrd’s office. Byrd was once an “Exalted Cyclops” in the KKK and was a close friend of Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    So, why would Bill pardon a pair of domestic terrorists who nearly killed his dear friend?

    A 1983 report by the Washington Post says the bomb also tore apart “the Republican Cloakroom.” “An explosion left piles of rubble just outside the doors to the Senate chamber, blowing out a wall partition and windows, ripping through the Republican Cloakroom, and damaging several works of art on the second floor. The bomb appeared to have been placed on or under a window well seat in a corridor leading to the Senate chamber,” the article explained.

    The estimated damage cost was $1 million… in 1983!

    The people convicted for committing the attack, Linda Evans and Susan Rosenberg, each only served 16 years of their sentences. The women were a part of a group called M19 that was “an offshoot” of the communist Weather Underground of the 1970s.

  58. Just A Citizen says:

    Lest anyone be confused, Pelosi’s efforts to impeach the President is all about preventing him from running for office ever again.

    She and the Dems will push this even after he has left office. What is not known is if there are enough gutless Republicans to allow conviction.

    • Lest anyone be confused, Pelosi’s efforts to impeach the President is all about preventing him from running for office ever again.

      I mean.. I don’t know about “all.”

      Some of it is just plain old political grandstanding and kicking your enemy while he’s down.

      Some of it is also just plain old “feeding the base.”

      She and the Dems will push this even after he has left office. What is not known is if there are enough gutless Republicans to allow conviction.

      Nope.

      I don’t believe this “broke” his political power. As long as he retains that power, the Red Shirts won’t abandon him.

      Even if he were found to have actually orchestrated the coup attempt… dead to rights guilty of it ordering it and helping to suppress the police response… as long as his base backs him, the spineless Red Shirts will never veer too far out of line. They’d argue he was really just doing what was right in light of Democratic malfeasance of stealing the election in the first place and refuse to hold him accountable.

      But the second his power is broken, they will turn and eat him alive.

      • It is nothing but petty mean vengeance.

        • That’s too simplistic and you damned well know it.

          For SOME it certainly is.

          For others it’s a power thing, point scoring, and being a leader of whatever comes next.

          For some it is a legitimate question of ensuring we punish those who attempt coups (you may not agree, but I think you’d be hard pressed to argue that there aren’t those of us.. many of us.. who believe this was an (albeit half-assed) attempted coup). I imagine many congressmen on the left didn’t appreciate being chased out of the capitol by a mob which would probably have killed them if they’d been caught.

          For others, still, they don’t give a shit, but they know their base does, and it’s just raw red meat.

          For most, it’s probably some combination of the above.

          And there are probably a dozen other options I haven’t thought of.

          To attribute to just one simplistic thing, and make it so base, is just a caricature of the real world. People have varied views and varied motivations.

          You ascribe to us all just blind vengeance as though we are all just enraged children who finally got our hands on the ability to hurt you. Don’t get me wrong, some certainly are, but it’s just absurd to imagine that that’s the whole thing for everyone.

  59. Conservatives are being warned all over the place to NOT attend any protests on January 20th. The FBI may have been too quick to lay the trap.

  60. Facebook permanently bans retailer PatrioticMe from advertising pro-America products.

    https://patrioticme.com/collections/all

    Yup, some real dangerous stuff being sold there.

  61. Anita and Mathius, this is the story where I got the info on the deceased Capital cop:

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131

    According to sources familiar with the matter, authorities believe Sicknick’s death was driven by a medical condition.

    • Right. I got that part straight. I was saying that Mathius was talking about the cop I posted, not Sicknick.

  62. I caught the beginning of this today. If anyone thinks that the anger isn’t real, pay attention:

    • Who the holy hell doesn’t think “the anger is real”?

      It’s just that everyone thinks “their side” is justified and the “other side” is unhinged.

      • I watched a video today and a portion was a cell phone vid of some guy hitting a window at the Capital. You can hear people chanting Antifa before a guy in a MAGA hat, pull him down. It was too far away to see what happened afterwards. The idiots who went into the Capital will be charged, cuz, the FBI is on the job (on TV now about it). Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

    • Just A Citizen says:

      Need way more of this to happen everytime a Rat tries to capture the media spotlight in open public. Any Rat claiming that anyone in Govt should be expunged or citizens targeted should be on the list.

      SHAME, SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON YOU.

  63. Thoughts on a gun?

    We all know I’m not a particularly paranoid person, but I am a big believer in hedging and my current “machete” option may not cut it. I don’t think it likely, but, you know.. opportunists are going to take the opportunities that present themselves…

    Thoughts on bang for the buck (hehehe), ease of use/maintenance, etc?

    Pistol versus rifles?

    Thoughts on safes considering there are kids here and, far more dangerous, my wife.

    Thoughts on basic training? I remember gun safety from camp and know enough to know to take it damned serious, but, having never owned, I’d be interested the thoughts of you gun-nuts.

    • First, just EXACTLY, what do you want a gun for,,,,,,and it makes a huge difference. Defense? Target Shooting? Hunting?

      • opportunists are going to take the opportunities that present themselves…

        I think it somewhat unlikely, but distinctly non-zero, that there will be significant “civil unrest” starting in about 7-8 days.

        I think, during periods of such civil unrest, opportunists are going to take the opportunity to be opportunists, and, as I live in a relatively upscale neighborhood, would like to ensure that, should any opportunists get the idea to be opportunistic about the opportunity my house presents, that I have the opportunity to dissuade them.

        • Who do you think might be coming your way?

          • Assholes taking advantage of upheaval.

            If I were an asshole thinking of looting, my neighborhood is the second one in my area I’d want to pay a visit.

            But the billionaire estates have private security and I’m not messing with them, so you take a step down and hit my multi-millionaire neighbors and, well, I’m in the vicinity.

            My experience in life is that bullies and opportunists are largely cowards. You don’t have to really “put up a fight.” You don’t have to be the Alamo in a tense multi-day standoff with would be looters. You just have to convince them that you’re not a soft target and they’ll mosey on elsewhere. My house isn’t worth dying for unless they knew how much gold I’ve got hidden away.

            A machete is fine for most days and most common threats, but when if things really go south? Eh, I doubt it, but it’s a comparatively cheap insurance option.

            ——

            Also, if your people wind up successfully overthrowing the government and go door to door to round up the liberals, having a gun might convince them I’m one of them. (that should work as long as none of you narc on me!)

      • If you are talking home defense…..something that your wife and you can use that will not travel through walls and hit other people is a shotgun. A shotgun does not require aiming, just pointing. It makes a very big “BOOM” which also scares away perpetrators. If there is more than one, they do not want to face a shotgun….you do not miss at close range. I also recommend a Mossburg 20 gauge pump. Do not get an automatic. With a pump shotgun, you cannot accidentally fire it. In the dead of night, if someone is breaking in or is even in your home, when you activate the pump mechanism, it gives off a specific sound that sends chills up the spine. It lets the perpetrator know that there is a shotgun in the hands of a homeowner and not a pistol which an untrained individual has a hard time keeping on target. As a combat veteran, I would rather charge someone shooting a pistol than a shotgun. Also, a shotgun does not have to be aimed…just pointed and hip fired.

        If you wish to carry concealed for yourself, I would recommend a .45 ACP or a Walther PPK. These types of weapons (pistols) require constant training or practice shooting to keep up skills.

        Under no circumstance do you want a gun safe. The question would be why…..to lock up your weapons to keep then away from kids? By the time you need your weapon, it would be too late. The chances of a young child chambering a shot gun are remote….but picking up a pistol…pretty easy. With a shotgun, both you and your spouse can use it….and it does not take a license.

        • I am not now nor ever have been a fan of the ever popular Glock 40.

        • Winchester Super Ex #3 buck shot is best….take out the game plug and chamber 5 rounds.

          • That is shockingly less expensive than I expected.. I was expecting a 10x on that. And, oh look, the wife might like it ladylike pink. Looks like there are a bunch of options, and I do love the name “persuader,” I’m inclined away from the pistol grip…

            Now… of all the warnings I expected when looking at shotguns online.. I do have to say this is the least expected one:

            WARNING!
            Cancer and Reproductive Harm

            Which, I mean, I can definitely see it causing “reproductive harm”….

            ——

            Ok… talk to me about maintenance. Can you just shove it in a closet and not touch it for years at a time, or does it need to be stripped and cleaned every so often, or after each use, etc?

            ——

            I know the basics of “don’t point it at anything you don’t want to kill” and “be aware of your target and what’s behind it” and “don’t fucking touch the trigger if you’re not about to pull it” and “every gun is loaded until you personally check and confirm otherwise”.. what else might I need to consider?

            ——

            Where to keep it? Buy two and have one by the front door, one by the bedroom?

            ——

            And now the big question: how effective are these against velociraptors?

            • A Pistol grip, unless you are a seasoned veteran used to such things…..shy away from. They look cool but offer little to your weapon. Sort barrel with standard stock. You can shoulder fire, tuck and fire, or hip fire. The 20 gauge is less recoil for the wife and the buckshot at number 3 will cover a doorway from 10 feet. That means a pattern will develop….at 1550 fps…that would hurt. In addition, if you fired it in your bedroom the buck shot will not penetrate the wall into adjoining rooms… Slugs will….and Double O will also..but number three will shred anything in range and really make their eyes water.

              Normal maintenance is required. You do not have to field strip it. Swab the barrel with a light oil and then roll up a paper towel into the muzzle and lean it against the wall or in a corner or closet that is all……clean it about every 6 months if unused. It is a great weapon for home defense. It is not a hunting shotgun nor a competition shotgun. This model is designed for home defense. Once you knock ’em down, then your machete will be useful to save ammo if they are still alive. Besides, the satisfying “chunk” of a blade through meat onto the bone is awesome. The other great thing about the shotgun….if you, for some reason, shoot low…..you will blow the leg apart….if you hit an arm, it will tear most of it off…either way, you have neutralized the target. Almost always, you will hit something vital.

              We used shotguns a lot in Vietnam in close jungle environments….very, very effective and we used pumps because semi autos required field stripping to clean. We used shotguns a lot in clearing buildings in Afghanistan. In Kuwait, I used tanks, artillery, and air support.

              As far as velociraptors….well, you have to let them get close….by then…………….

              • Oh yes, where to keep it…well, remember it is a home defense weapon for when someone is trying to break in or already has….my spousal unit keeps it beside her bed but we also have hand weaponry in three locations of the home. She is quite proficient in hand guns. I keep a Browning Hi Power 9 mm on my bed table and have a 45 cal ACP. in the drawer. Upstairs in my war room….well, let us say I can hold off a small army for awhile with a plethora of weapons. JAC can vouch for that. I conceal carry a Walther PPK but open carry the 45 ACP. On road trips, we carry the Mossburg for hotel rooms and such.

              • From what I have been reading here, Mathius will be getting over run by a mob of three 12 year old female opportunists armed with jump ropes.

              • Mathius will be getting over run by a mob of three 12 year old female opportunists armed with jump ropes. Well, then..that is different and calls for different weaponry….I mean crazed females with jump ropes, armed with play dough…..can be treacherous.

              • well, let us say I can hold off a small army for awhile with a plethora of weapons.

                A plethora, you say, El Guapo?

                From what I have been reading here, Mathius will be getting over run by a mob of three 12 year old female opportunists armed with jump ropes.

                Naw.. more like hoodlums from the denser urban areas who travel to the wealthier suburbs to take advantage of a messy situation.

                We already have had a few times where people from other areas travelled to mine to steal packages and break into cars. It’s a lower risk profile for them and (likely) greater reward.

                If your side starts civil war 2.0, these same assholes probably won’t miss a beat trying to take advantage of any chaos to come up here and loot some soft targets. This wouldn’t ordinarily be a problem since our cops don’t fuck around with this kind of thing, but if they’re too busy, say, defending town hall and making sure no one blows up the dam… well, opportunists are going to take opportunities.

              • Well, you are going to have to wait for a Civil War 2.0……my side will not start it….I cannot vouch for the red or blue team….but we are rural as well but our community is a gated community with one road.

                A plethora it is….and I have the eeen.tiii..leeect for it, numero uno.

              • Just A Citizen says:

                Colonel

                ” I used tanks, artillery, and air support.”

                I WANT SOME OF THOSE.

            • I had a reply typed out and almost finished when my son walked in with 50 chicken wings, lemon pepper. So much for that reply. Cancel Reply. So now I’ve eaten, I think, 14 wings..
              Is that bad? My reply started with Send your wife in because the shop owners can smell a liberal before they open the door. But forget I said that part. I was considering your wife and figured I’d throw in my two cents, being female.

              I concur with the Colonel and my reply was on that track. My personal choice being female is a 20 gauge, definitely not pink. I’ve shot a 12 gauge plenty of times and a 20 gauge plenty of times and I prefer the 20 gauge. I’m far more accurate and less beat up. As far as pistols, I’m pretty comfortable with a 380. Others seem clunky or heavy.

  64. Just A Citizen says:

    And we are told it is Trump’s lies that damage our form of government. Lying liars that lie.

    https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/01/12/308779-n308779

    • One thing I do not get about Hollywood, pro sports, the tech companies, et. al. is why you would want to piss off half of your customer base?

      • Maybe, these companies are looking at the situation and have decided to stop enabling one party which has gone completely off the rails?

        • Yes, because conservative voters have been looting and burning down their cities all year. I wouldn’t fund them either. Oh, wait…..

        • Mathius, you really need to take an extended vacation way from the coasts. Turn off CNN, the NYT and WaPo. They will come for you when it is your turn.

          • Sure, maybe I’ll head over to “Idaho.”

            • Or come to Texas……more Churros down here.

              • I would like to mail-order a Mossburg 20ga pump + ammo from the Colonel Shop. I can pay in bitcoin or gold doubloon.

                Don’t act like you don’t have several to spare.

                You can throw some churros in the box.

              • I will be happy to buy you one in Texas and send it to you. We can still do that here. We do not register weapons so you will not appear on a National Registry nor a State Registry. and when you try to make weapons illegal again, like banning the AR15 before, we will simply go underground to get them like the prohibition days. That ban back then did not even slow the sales it made them stronger.

                Sigh….like the marijuana laws of today. Colorado wishes it did not have those laws now….more big crime syndicates have moved in and the price is higher now than it has ever been. The black market is thriving. Same in Oklahoma.

              • I will be happy to buy you one in Texas and send it to you. We can still do that here.

                Wouldn’t that be a straw purchase?

                I found one here, no worries, but thank you.

                I will be happy to buy you one in Texas and send it to you. We can still do that here.

                That said, I would be interested in purchasing a Gattling Gun. I don’t anticipate needing one, but, well, deterrence and all..

                Sigh….like the marijuana laws of today. Colorado wishes it did not have those laws now….more big crime syndicates have moved in and the price is higher now than it has ever been. The black market is thriving. Same in Oklahoma.

                This seems to be at odds with what you were saying.. could you clarify?

              • This seems to be at odds with what you were saying.. could you clarify? Yes it does, doesn’t it. I have been conversing with you too much, it seems…..the double speak and all…..I went down a rabbit trail on the weapons ban of long ago that was tried….under Clinton, I think. I was referencing that i can buy you a weapon in Texas…and no, the straw purchase does not apply here. (A buyer cannot purchase a gun on behalf of a person who is prohibited by law from buying or possessing the weapon or who wants to avoid a background check.) I made the assumption that you do not fall into this category. I can buy you a anti tank missile as long as you are not prohibited by the above.

                My reference was to stupid laws….I referenced that Colorado politicians are seriously re-thinking their marijuana legalization. It has made the situation worse there….same as the banning of the assault weapon made it worse. Sorry, it was a rabbit trail…have not had my Dr Pepper yet.

                Seriously however, I can get you any weapon you want here. Well, almost any weapon. I am having a hard time finding a nuke……but time will tell.

  65. Just A Citizen says:

    OK. This is the new standard for Committing actual crimes? Guess it won’t be long before we prosecute people for the crimes we think they might commit someday, somewhere, maybe.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/533867-former-republican-congressman-impeachment-is-necessary

  66. Just A Citizen says:

    Townhall’s Matt Vespa quotes even a liberal reporter, Michael Tracey, warning that the “absolute authoritarian lunacy” of Twitter’s decision to ban President Trump isn’t about “‘safety,’ it’s about purposely inflating a threat in order to assert political and cultural dominance.” Warns Tracey, “The new corporate authoritarian liberal-left monoculture is going to be absolutely ruthless — and in 12 days it is merging with the state.” [My italics].

    Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/huxleya_nd_totalitarianism.html#ixzz6jND1WpJt

  67. Just A Citizen says:

    We love the culture, the friendly people and the sense of community. Say the Left Wingers moving to N. Idaho who then start complaining about our radical right wing politics.

    Mathius. I will sponsor your move to N. Idaho but I have to warn you. They will only give you a Temporary Occupancy Permit. You get the real deal once you have proven you do not intend to pollute and/or undermine our culture and values. Voting for any Democrat is considered admission of violating said Temp Permit.

    Newly elected Sherriff announced yesterday that his office WILL NOT be enforcing Mask Mandates or Ordinances.

    • They will only give you a Temporary Occupancy Permit.

      Boy.. that sounds like Big Government to me!

      Voting for any Democrat is considered admission of violating said Temp Permit.

      And that sounds anti-democracy.

      Voting for any Democrat is considered admission of violating said Temp Permit.

      Can I run as the Democrat? I mean, I know it’s hopeless, but I can at least put “former gubernatorial candidate” on my resume.

      Newly elected Sherriff announced yesterday that his office WILL NOT be enforcing Mask Mandates or Ordinances.

      If the laws are duly enacted, who is the sheriff to disregard them? That doesn’t sound very “rule of law” to me…

      • Boy.. that sounds like Big Government to me! What are you worried about? You support big government.

        And that sounds anti-democracy. What are you worried about? You support anti-democracy.

        If the laws are duly enacted, who is the sheriff to disregard them? That doesn’t sound very “rule of law” to me… What are you worried about? You support “selective” enforcement if law.

        • You support “selective” enforcement if law.

          WHOA THERE COWBOY!

          You take them words back now, ya hear!

          • No sir…you and I have had this discussion before. You were adamant that….”you can’t enforce every law on the books because we would all be criminals.” You then went on to say that to enforce all the laws would be impossible so you must decide which ones to enforce.” (Words to that effect)……

            My point was, and I still feel this way, the law is absolute. It is NOT open to interpretation. If the law says do not spit on the sidewalk, then if you do…you are subject to arrest. Full stop.

            • You were adamant that….”you can’t enforce every law on the books because we would all be criminals.” You then went on to say that to enforce all the laws would be impossible so you must decide which ones to enforce.” (Words to that effect)……

              You were so close right up until your FLAWED conclusion.

              The answer is that (A) we need to get rid of excess laws, (B) simplify the laws that remain, and (C) we need to PRIORITIZE enforcement of what’s left.

              I do understand the need for prosecutorial and judicial discretion. I do not wholy begrudge this. Extenuating circumstances do exist and not everything is perfectly black-and-white. Likewse, plea deals are things that exist. But, at the end of the day, a crime is a crime and the law is the law and a criminal is a criminal. If you don’t like the law, the answer is not to ignore the law, but to change the law.

              And I do understand that, faced with a jaywalker and a murderer, and given limited resources to arrest / prosecute both, it is only reasonable to pursue the latter first. But the jaywalker has still committed a crime, however minor, and should still face the punishment when time and resources allow for the cops / courts to get around to it.

              For this reason, though I agree wholeheartedly with the goals of DACA, I cannot approve of the actual policy. Yes, I know, he couched it as “prioritization,” but essentially it is a free pass to ignore violations of the law, and this I cannot abide. If it is a bad law – and it is – then it should be changed. But to ignore it is lawlessness, whatever pretext one might employ.

              No, sir, you misrepresent me. Pistols at dawn!

              • The answer is that (A) we need to get rid of excess laws, Agreed, and we always have agreed here.
                (B) simplify the laws that remain, Agreed, and we always have agreed here…

                (C) we need to PRIORITIZE enforcement of what’s left. NOPE…. this is where we part. Do not try to “double speak ” me, boy. Prioritize is just another way of saying,..selective.

                Now, we are not as “civilized” as you Yankees……we do not use dueling pistols in Texas…..we will not salute and go back to back and walk ten paces and try to shoot you in the shoulder with one shot. You will have to strap on the 6 shooter, face your opponent and look him in the eye and try to out draw him…..the code of the West. And, unlike TV where Marshall Dillon draws last but always wins with ONE shot…..no sir, I will empty the 6 shots that I have and put them in a shot group that you can cover with a silver dollar.

                So, no gauntlets, either….you issued the challenge…challenge accepted.

                But isn’t dawn a little early? I mean not for us military types, the day is half over at dawn but for you foo foo types…..how about the crack of noon.

              • You will have to strap on the 6 shooter, face your opponent and look him in the eye and try to out draw him…..the code of the West. And, unlike TV where Marshall Dillon draws last but always wins with ONE shot…..no sir, I will empty the 6 shots that I have and put them in a shot group that you can cover with a silver dollar.

                But isn’t dawn a little early? I mean not for us military types, the day is half over at dawn but for you foo foo types…..how about the crack of noon.

                Yea.. I’m not exactly a morning type… high noon’s good.

                (C) we need to PRIORITIZE enforcement of what’s left. NOPE…. this is where we part. Do not try to “double speak ” me, boy. Prioritize is just another way of saying,..selective.

                Mr. The Colonel, you live in a small town with two officers, you are one and, let’s call the other Gomer.

                Across the street, you see a man jaywalking. Just as you are heading out the door to arrest him, Gomer calls that there’s a man holding up a bank across town. What do you do?

              • Across the street, you see a man jaywalking. Just as you are heading out the door to arrest him, Gomer calls that there’s a man holding up a bank across town. What do you do? Are we Texas rangers (not the baseball wannabes)…..One riot one ranger…..

                I get your point and it is actually splitting hairs……but, on the big picture, we do not see this do we….now, you may see something different than I but……the looting and the burning and the shootings and death in Portland did not get the same attention and the looting and the shooting at the Capitol building….the long arm of the FBI did not go after the perps with the same zeal as now….

                I see NO difference in exercising the law in Portland as in the Capitol building. Just because it is the Capitol building does not make it any worse…not in my mind. All of it is lawlessness…..pure and simple but I see a definite double standard….I see ( and I think you know me to be a reasonably bright person ) a different standard applied to politicians than I do the citizen. And this is not lost on anyone. there is nothing I can do about it NOW…..but there is something to be done later.

  68. Just A Citizen says:

    The key to accurately throwing a baseball is follow through. With proper body control and follow through you will “hit the target” almost every time.

    Follow through, a key to success no matter your goals. This should be printed on one side of all zip tie hand cuffs.

  69. Just A Citizen says:

    So my fellow Patriots of Liberty.

    Tell me, WHEN IS ENOUGH, ENOUGH??????

    When is the tyranny of Govt enough for Citizens to rise up and over throw their overlords?

    What is required to reach that point?

    I again point out the hypocrisy if not irony of a Nation born of revolution passing “Sedition” laws. Making it illegal to speak out against Govt in a way that can be “construed” as an effort to “undermine” or “overthrow” said govt..

    Realize that when that point is reached, everyone as in EVERYONE, who speaks to overthrow the tyranny will be guilty of sedition and insurrection.

    • It is not just the tyranny of the government which is bad enough. It is the combined tyranny of the corporations, media, academia, and cultural elites. We have seen the black KKK (BLM) and democratic brown shirts (Antifa) riot and intimidate people for over six months. We have had the tyranny of the government mandated (in some cases womandated) covid lock downs. Now we have corporate sponsored censorship and increased cancel culture and doxing. The corporate media tells big lies daily and goes unchecked. We are told repeatedly and paradoxically that our diversity will unite us. It does no such thing if we are constantly playing one group against another, black vs Latino vs Asian vs white vs Indian; gay vs straight; foreign vs native born; pro life vs pro choice; fair elections vs the big steal. The most divisive character on our keyboard is the hyphen.

      We are now seeing the formation of a fascist government, the amalgam of corporations, academia, culture, and politicians. They are pushing to suppress all dissent.

      For the most recent unrest, I blame the courts, the justice departments, state legislatures and congress. I especially blame SCOTUS. They had the duty to hear the claims brought to them on the election. They wimped and chose to intimidated by the rioting mobs of the summer. They could have ordered independent forensic audits of the election. People would have accepted the results. But instead the punted and allowed the wound to fester.

      JAC, like you I am close to the breaking point. Neither party is responding to the real issues. Both are just worried about their own power positions and hence all we get is political theater like the current impeachment push. We have much bigger and more fundamental problems that need solved.

  70. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_v._Alabama

    Corporations do not have carte blanche to violate our rights as stated in the Bill of Rights.

    • Wow, you dug deep for that one..

      Marsh is a bit of a constitutional backwater, but I think you’re missing the forest for the trees.

      The idea behind Marsh is that the company, owning and controlling the town, had become, effectively, the government of the town. The more “like a government” an entity is, the more it is so constrained and so obligated. As your link notes, “the Court initially noted that it would be an easy case if the town were a more traditional, publicly administered, municipality,” but since the company had stepped into the role of government, so it could be treated like one.

      I’ve seen this used in 1A arguments against college campuses restricting free speech in their papers, too… the idea being that, since they are the law, the housing authority, security, etc, that they are, effectively, the government of that area and, as such, cannot abridge freedom of the press. So far as I know, this argument has never seen the inside of a courtroom, but I could be wrong. I would be surprised, but not “shocked,” to see Marsh prevail here.

      • The tech giants have become the virtual town square and have taken on the role of government over that square. So yes Marsh may apply.

        • This was actually tried in ye olden times… in the early days of AOL, someone argued that AOL was essentially a “company town,” and had to allow free commerce. The courts said nyet.

          I think, maybe, AOL was a bad place to make the argument as AOL was really just a gateway to the internet rather than a “destination” unto itself. Yes, it had its chat rooms and whatnot, but it was, by and large, just an easy access portal to connect to the budding internet. There was no “company town” over which it ruled, or at least, only by the most tenuous of interpretations.

          I think it’d be very interesting to see this applied to something like Apple (and to a lesser extent Alphabet) who operates a walled garden, a completely self-contained ecosystems wherein they exercise complete control over the hardware and software and act as gate keepers of the 3rd party apps. I could see the argument that Apple is the “government” as far as an iPhone goes… but to make the case that you have 1A rights within a device… it’d be a tough argument… interesting, but I’m just not seeing it.

          It would, however, have enormous implications.

    • Yep, this is left wing ideology but….let them do this up north if the want. Come on to Texas, T Ray….although we are in the cross hairs.

      • I have not been to north TX but have been to the Houston area many times. Not for me. If I move it will be back the Midwest to be near family or to someplace away from cities and people like Idaho.

        • Ok..ok…you have a point…even normal Texans do not go there or Dallas. We do treat Austin like a zoo….if we want to see flaming liberals, we have them confined there. Do not judge Houston as Texas…….so far, we can still leave our cars and doors unlocked in the rural areas….but not Houston or Dallas…that’s ‘fer sure.

          • I like the open door policy. It is what I grew up with in rural IL. We even left the keys in the car at night. In winter if we stopped at the post office, we left the car running. Same at the grocery store if it was just a quick in and out. People had respect for others and their belongings.

  71. Via Fox News:

    McConnell has not made up his mind about what to do about impeachment, and does not see this as a partisan exercise like the previous impeachment effort against Trump.

    Another source told Fox News that McConnell told associates that impeachment will help rid the Republican Party of Trump and his movement.

    Rats fleeing a sinking ship.

    His wife also resigned last week as Transportation Secretary.

    • Yep….that is what I expect RINOS to do. They are not disappointing me. Good that they are recognized….yet again. How to defeat this? Elect new people at the lower levels. This also should show you that there will not be an obstructionist Republican Party like there was on the obstructionist Democrat Party.

      The worm will turn….but until then, you will see such a division among the people that will make the 70’s look like a powder puff football game. I do not accept what is happening and will not play the game…but I will use what the Dems are about to do…to my advantage and beat them at their own game. My late dad taught me how to do just that.

      • Stephen K. Trynosky says:

        McConnell was not a Reagan fan either. The Turtle is interested in what is good for the Turtle only. He has thwarted Trump from the beginning as did the former house speaker lobbyist in chief, Paul Ryan. Trump came in wanting legislation to back his reform these two asswipes forced him to use EO’s.

  72. Man, I can’t believe some of these posts today, considering what I read for a couple hours last night. I want to say right here and now!!! that…yesterday’s speech by Trump at the wall set my mind free and I could feel stress leaving my body..I got the feeling .that Trump has decided to throw in the towel,,,and, to me he seemed in a more subdued (?) mood …like acceptance(?) but still bummed because he knows its not right… until I came across some stuff that I need help with. Please don’t tell me to not get my hopes up, because that’s not where I’m at here. I simply find the following very interesting, and wonder very much if this approach is right in front of us. I don’t know why I even bothered digging into this stuff because I told myself yesterday that I really need to back away some just for my mental health. I really need a get away to be honest. BUT!!…..

    Who here has heard the term Quo Warranto? And who can tell me what this is all about?
    https://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2021/01/12/quo-warranto-the-two-words-biden-pelosi-fear-most/

    And then T-Ray had the nerve to talk about corporations.You have really got my toes on the edge TRay. Now….who here forgot the fact that the USA is actually a corporation? I started digging down that hole last night. This article is double edged to me. Sounds very wacked out at the end, but they have merged a few authors together. But it gives a timeline of when the USA became a corporation and who was involved in the process.
    https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/when-the-united-states-became-a-corporation/

    I’m telling you right now these articles are long and conspracy ish. I saw a link to the first one, but that led me to research about the second one. And they both seem to fit together.
    I’m not looking to save the world here, but unless someone talks me out of it, I don’t see why this isn’t something that should be brought up.

    • Interesting concept. But only Congress has the power to remove a president once installed.

      • Ok TRay .But the second article says there are two constitutions. One FOR the USA and one OF the USA. What rules are they playing by? Seems totally plausible to me that we’ve been playing by the rules for the corporation, not the country.

    • Have to admit…I never heard of Quo Warranto…so I looked it up and read the statutes….very interesting. Did not know that it existed……but me thinks….another long shot.

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