Assessing the Rock Star’s World Tour

g20-logo_april-3-700540I have heard all of the hoo ha about the fact that President Obama bowed to the Saudi King during his “World Tour”. I have some thoughts on that particular moment. But I want to at least get a dialogue started about O’prompter’s overall performance on the international escapade he just undertook. I know conservatives have been fairly disgusted with his overall performance and the tone that he took with the world. Some of that was warranted, although I don’t know that all of it was. So I figure to throw my opinion out there for people to discuss and we can see where all of you fall. 

I have to say that while I try to be positive when it comes to discussions about these topics, I almost feel as though I need to be critical because the main stream media absolutely will not be. I have listened to a lot of coverage on this already and I am frankly quite tired of listening to the liberal press try to convince Americans of the evils of George Bush and the Republicans. A constant theme running through the reporting on this was that Bush ruined America’s reputation in the world and that this trip was “a first step in restoring the image of America”. To this I say bullshit.

after-bush-newsweekFirst of all, Bush was not nearly as disliked abroad as the MSM would have you believe. The hatred of Bush is media driven in America. That doesn’t have nearly the same effect internationally. Just another example of Americans making the mistake of not knowing world realities and assuming the world thinks just the same way we do. He did not snub his nose at the world any more (or any less) than any other President over the last 30 years. Most of those that dislike America do so because of our arrogance and our meddling. And if you think that George Bush did that any better or worse than Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, or Carter, then you, my friends are drinking the kool-aid and refusing to allow reality keep your biased perspective in check. 

Secondly, that same class warfare game the liberals play here in the states is being played abroad with America playing the part of big corporations. Many who don’t like America do so because, according to their leaders and their media, their miseries “are caused by the corrupt and out of control fat cats at America Inc.”. It doesn’t have much at all to do with which talking head we call President, including George Bush. To be honest I am quickly tiring of this liberal blame game. If the left wants me to hear their side of the story, they have to first stop buying into this line of bullshit. The second that you think the economy, the deregulation, the financial organizations failures, America’s international image, and every other ill we see was caused by just one party, or even that one of the two parties is more responsible than the other, you are fooling yourself. More on that in a future post.

michelle-obama-touching-queenBack to the trip. Let’s start with the G20 Summit in London. He arrived and met with British PM Gordon Brown (I am not sure if he gave him some more DVD’s or not, like maybe a copy of “Shaft” or “Friday”) and the next day met with the Queen. I know people were up in arms that Michelle Obama had the audacity to touch the Queen. I don’t have issue with it. The Queen is just a woman, and she didn’t seem to have issue with it. Come on folks, who cares if Michelle Obama touched the Queen? If you are a Republican and making a big issue out of this, please stop now and slap yourself for being petty.

There has been quite a bit of fervor over the Summit itself. It seems that many people are upset that he “bad-mouthed” the US. I count myself as one of those in some instances and there are others that I don’t care about. I don’t agree with his statements that basically accept all of the blame for the current economic situations that the world faces. He stated to the nations of the world, “It is true, as my Italian friend has said, that the crisis began in the U.S. I take responsibility, even if I wasn’t even president at the time.” Did the US play a part? Sure, but we are not solely to blame. We could find just as much issue with our international partners and their actions over the last several years. Perhaps OPEC and their manipulation of oil pricing also played a part. It is worth noting that the world leaders loved hearing the statement.

On the flip side of this he made some significant recognitions that the global economy cannot be fixed by the US alone. There were many other resolutions made at the G20: Pledges to introduce greater regulation of financial markets, ban tax havens, and grant loans for poorer countries. I guess I could say that some of that is OK with me. I heard one snippet about the sovereignty of the US being sacrificed by the granting of power over our financial systems to the world body. I don’t know enough about it to comment, but if that is true, I am not happy about that. I don’t like the US government having the ability to take over a private enterprise, let alone a “world body”. If someone has more info on this please share! All I found in initial research was a statement from Gordon Brown saying “We will implement new rules on pay and bonuses at a global level that reflect actual performance with no more rewards for failure. We want to encourage corporate responsibility in every part of the world.”

obama_g20summitObama called the G20 deal “a turning point in our pursuit of global economic recovery.” The plan calls for reform of the international banking system and the injection of more than $1 trillion into the world financial system, as well as measures clamping down on tax havens and a commitment to build a green and sustainable economy.. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown heralded the emergence of a “new world order” Thursday following the release of what he called an “unprecedented” package of measures to tackle the crisis (OK I will admit that the phrase new world order frightens me a bit). Obama said: “We owe it to all of our citizens to act and to act with urgency. We have agreed upon a series of unprecedented steps to restore growth and prevent a crisis like this from happening again. We have rejected the protectionism that could deepen this crisis. … This cooperation between the world’s leading economies signals our support for open markets. Second, we are committed to comprehensive reform of a failed regulatory system. We can rebuild our global prosperity if we act with the sense of common purpose, persistence, and optimism that our moment demands.”

He spent some time in Turkey. He held a town hall style meeting there with Turkish students that included the statement, “I want you to know that I am personally committed to a new chapter of American engagement. We cannot afford to talk past one another, to focus only on our differences, or to let the walls of mistrust go up around us.” That was a good statement to make so bravo Mr. President. 

obama-in-turkeyFrom the podium of the National Assembly in Ankara, he spoke not only to Turks, but to the entire Muslim world and he carved out an image of a global statesman. He stated, “The United States is not and never will be at war with Islam” and that ” America’s relationship cannot and will not be based on opposition to Al Qaeda.” I am sure that resonated throughout the middle east. He drew generous applause by stating, “The United States has been enriched by its Muslim Americans” and that “many other Americans have Muslims in their families or they have lived in a Muslim majority country. I know,” he said, “because I am one of them.” The president pledged to support Turkey’s admission to the European Union. He urged dialogue with the Republic of Armenia and by inference with Greek Cypriots to bring peace and stability to what until now has been the divided island of Cyprus. He cited Turkey’s friendly relations with Israel. All good things. 

However, At a press conference in Turkey, President Obama casually rebuked the old chestnut that the United States is a Judeo-Christian nation. “One of the great strengths of the United States,” the President said, “is … we have a very large Christian population — we do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation. We consider ourselves a nation of citizens who are bound by ideals and a set of values.” Personally I think he overstepped his bounds a bit here. First in speaking for 300 million people saying that we don’t consider the US a christian nation (because I think we DO consider ourselves a Christian nation). I think this was one of his bigger missteps on the trip. 

Shaking with 2 hands... that must be his third arm

Shaking with 2 hands... that must be his third arm

And then there was this whole business of him bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia. Let me say first that, much like the Michelle touching the Queen thing, that this is a really petty thing for conservatives to get upset about. I don’t care if he bowed to the King or not. When meeting another world leader, I think politeness and courtesy are important. I know some people have this thing in their head that “America doesn’t bow to anyone!” so they feel this bow was disrespectful to the American people. I disagree. I think that this kind of arrogance, believing that the US is a higher power than other sovereign nations, is the exact reason why the people in the world who don’t like us feel the way they do. Because we think we are better than them. And we aren’t. I wouldn’t trade being an American for anything. And I love my country, I think you all know that. But they all deserve to feel the same way about theirs. So I don’t have any problem with the fact that he bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia. 

Obama BowingBut make no mistake about it…. He DID bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. And this is where I am a bit peeved with the Obama administration. Instead of just saying “yes we did” or this is “change we can believe in” in terms of foreign relations, they had the audacity to tell us he didn’t bow. Press Secretary Gibbs (who may be one of the worst Press Secretaries in history) came out and told us that he was simply taller than the King and was reaching downward to shake his hand with both hands. First of all if this had been true we could call him on the fact that it is not considered polite to shake with both hands in Arab countries. But I submit that you look at that picture. Does it look like he is reaching down or bowing to you? He was bowing. And I continue to be insulted by the way this administration keeps just lying to my face. The whole Democratic party seems to be doing a lot of that lately. Blaming everything on Bush for example, when us thinking folks know better. I tired of being treated like I am stupid by politicians. 

So there are some quick hits on the President’s first significant international trip. Overall I give him a B. He did a lot of the right things. He said some things I didn’t like, but what can you expect? I don’t like his entire platform for the direction he is moving the country, so certainly I am not going to like some of what he does. 

But now I want to hear from all of you. What did you think of his trip? Do you care if he bowed? What did you think of the G20 statements and decisions? What other parts of the trip stood out to you? There were stops in France and Germany that I didn’t even touch here. I know it isn’t quite the argumentative post we have had for the last week or so, but hey, a night of lighter fare every couple days is a good thing. Believe me, the two part piece for tomorrow and Monday will be plenty argumentative enough as we tackle the moves towards socialism….

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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  1. TexasChem says:

    Working nights at the moment and am about to get off. Be prepared for my post tomorrow evening when I wake up cause’ its gonna be a doozey.Excellent topic btw US.Before I go though I ask you all to research Arabic custom when it comes to leaders meeting and the “bow”. Later all…

  2. In the aftermath of Obama’s tour I guess I’m grateful that he didn’t say anything really stupid,he didn’t give the country away to anyone and that he chose Turkey instaed of Iran to give his major talk from a Muslimm country.He said some things I liked to hear,such as overhauling the regulatory system,that needs to be done.He said we started the present financial meltdown,which is true,then he took responsibility for it,which is meaningless.If he wants,I’ll take that burden off his shoulders.My taking responsibility would mean just as much.

    In ancilliary events,he bowed to the Saudi king.I didn’t see any return bows,and since there are five sets of eyes looking directly at that hand shake,I don’t really know what to make of it.Something there was very interesting.No one there saw him bow,they were looking at something else.For the White house to deny the bow was stupid.There it is,no two hands,A bow of respect,Why?A bow of deference?I should hope not.

    Michelle touched the Queen.She wore a dress with no sleeves,she was going to visit a hospital with Carla Bruni.I don’t care what she does.I wouldn’t have cared if she stayed home.

    He doesn’t consider this a Jewish nation or a Christian nation or a Muslim nation.He has a lot to learn there.My devout Catholic friend states emphatically that with her it’s religion over country.Every time.

    Obama is going to get Turkey into the EU.That’s good,considering that the EU doesn’t want them in their present condition.Maybe he’ll invite them to join the U.S.

    Since we’re awarding grade points for his tour,I’ll give him a “c”.Mediocre at best.He has great popularity in the socialist countries because they want America to join them and he is socialisms new poster child.Their great hope.Their change.Our’s too if we don’t watch it.

    We are not liked in the world because we are perceived to be too greedy.We want too much.We take too much.The common man of the world sees Obama as a cure to that problem.

    • I agree with you Ron. I’ve lived overseas for half my adult life in several parts of the world. Most of the ‘unwashed’ hate us out of pure envy (and before someone takes offense at my use of the word unwashed, know that I am one of them). They see America through the eyes of Hollywood and left wing media. Almost all of the unwashed I have conversed with on the matter of American ‘arrogance’ cannot give actual examples of it. They just blather on about how ‘arrogant’ we are, how we support Israel, etc. From my interaction with them, I get the impression that arrogant means ‘not bending over to kiss every ass that presents itsself for the honor.

    • I’ve traveled all over the world and my impression has been that people everywhere admire, respect and, yes, envy America. They prefer our culture, in many ways, over their own (movies, clothing, music, etc.), which inevitably causes some self-loathing which can lead to resentment. But in general there’s a lot of affection for the USA. Bush trashed a lot of this respect, not just with his war-of-choice in Iraq but with his cowboy rhetoric and general air of no-nothing incompetence. Obama, in a few months and one overseas tour, has done a HUGE amount to rectify this. A HUGE amount.

      Evan Adamson

      Evan Adamson
      readtakeover.com

      • If, as the article title says, being a rock star is what impresses you, yes I guess he has.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Evan: Bush’s “War of Choice in Iraq”? I guess you, like a lot of America, have forgotten 9/11. Or maybe you, like some, blame America for 9/11. Maybe you feel we brought it on ourselves?

        You also said: “Obama, in a few months and one overseas tour, has done a HUGE amount to rectify this. A HUGE amount.” How so? All that I saw out of his little tour was a whole lot of loud smacking sounds as he steadily kissed the EU and the UN’s butts.

        I guess as a true Obamaton you were just as pleased as punch by him insulting his own Country. Those of us who are true AMERICANS were kind of offended by it.

    • I too have been abroad in the world. Currently, the city where I live is a smorgasbord of cultures. On a very frequent basis I converse with many, and the overwhelming opinion is that people are glad Bush is gone. The man alienated almost the entire world, and in the majority’s opinion, he made the world a much more dangerous place to live. Obama is trying to undo the years of damage Bush did, who arrogantly snubbed most, while being confrontational and belligerant to the rest.

      • Bush made the world a more dangerous place to live? What is there to back up such sentiment? I am not a Bush fan but this comment seems a little incredulous to me. On what do these folks base this assessment?

        • Based on my personal conversations with freinds and associates. These people travel a lot, and have intimate contact with their relatives in their home contries. And the overwhelming consensus from each of them is that all are glad Mr Bush is now out of power because his method of doing business made the world a worse, and more dangerous place. These people come from Sri Lanka, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Denmark, Jamaica, Russia, Philippines, Chile, Israel, and England, to name a specific few. These are the informed opinions of world travellers who are very aware of what is happening around the world. The information they offer is freely given without coercion or influence.
          I hope you don’t get your facts and opinion from FoxNews, because they are the greatest practitioners of disinformation. By being selective in their news stories, and omitting specific facts, they throw a spin on every subject. For instance, FoxNews never gave out one of the real reasons why Kyrgyzstan chose to close the base the US Air Force was staging out of for supply mission to Afghanistan. Yea, the Russians did drop a handful of coin to make sure manas was closed to the US. Did you know that everyone in Kyrgyzstan is pissed at the US because a US soldier killed a Kyrgyz truck driver on the base but was later allowed to fly home?
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/04/kyrgyzstan-us-base-afghanistan

          • I have read the article linked to your post and see a couple items of note. The first being the involvement of the Russian government to meddle in the interests of Georgia and Ukraine, both of which have every right to govern in the best interests of their people and belong to NATO, should they choose. Your tacit approval (via “understanding”) of this meddling is expecially troublesome in light of the paragraph that states:
            “Kyrgyzstan, meanwhile, is in deep economic trouble. The small country faces rising unemployment, a growing trade deficit, and is struggling to pay its gas and electricity bills.” I suppose if Russia can exact some control over Kyrgyzstan, their foothold in the region is further solidified.
            Second, there are no details to judge whether the incident involving a US soldier and the Kyrgyz truck driver had extenuating circumstances that resulted in the deportation of the soldier.
            I also find it somewhat telling that in the same breath you summarily dismiss a US news source, you post a link to a socialist-leaning paper like the Guardian. While you may have many “well-traveled” friends and associates, it is human nature to surround yourself with like-minded people. It may be you who needs to broaden your base of information.

            • USWeapon says:

              Thank you K. Gill. And welcome. I don’t think I have seen you post before (although it keeps getting harder and harder to keep track). If you have before I apologize. If not welcome and i look forward to your participation in the discussions!

          • USWeapon says:

            Thanks for the answers there. I am interested in how he made the world “more dangerous”. I understand their dislike for him as i share it, I just want to be able to think critically about this statement so I was hoping for more information than you provided. I have plenty of friends abroad, as I have lived all over the world. I could take their comments that were the opposite of the ones you are hearing as gospel, but I don’t. Just seeking more information.

            I get my facts and opinions from all over. I read several international news sources, as well as many different ones here in the US. That includes the NY Times and several other liberal leaning publications. Your statement troubles me, however. You stated: I hope you don’t get your facts and opinion from FoxNews, because they are the greatest practitioners of disinformation. By being selective in their news stories, and omitting specific facts, they throw a spin on every subject.

            A statement that they are the greatest practitioners of such tends to make me think that you perhaps have bought into the liberal spin a bit too much. Fox News isn’t any more biased than the NY Times, CNN, or any other “news” source these days. They ALL do exactly what you are talking about in terms of selective reporting and biased journalism. That you only see Fox News as being especially bad at it doesn’t bode well for your attempt to come off unbiased yourself. Fox certainly isn’t anywhere near as biased as MSNBC.

            And for the record I have read the story about Kyrgyzstan. But if you are proposing that this is why the base is closing then I would submit that you don’t understand international politics very well. If that were the case, the UN would have been kicked out of NY a long time ago my friend.

  3. The mainstream media wouldn’t do it. So we are trying to get your important messages to the American people. This post is a suggested read at, http://aresay.blogspot.com/ 2

  4. US, I appreciate your position of rising above the petty stuff, however, I do not feel that the two actions you mentioned (bowing/touching) are as petty as you are claiming. While these gargantuan faux pas should not be a call for the Obamas’ heads, someone should indeed smack them upside it. Touching the Queen? Seriously? NO ONE touches the Queen. This is not new, this is hundreds of years of tradition. Regardless of the fact that they are “two human beings”, this is horribly disrespectful. Of course the Queen didn’t say anything, she was probably shocked into silence by the ignorant audacity of Michelle.
    As for the bowing, the reason that no other President has bowed to a foreign dignitary is because it is a sign of deference, “you are better, stronger, more powerful, than me”. Like it or not, Obama is our President and therefore the numero uno representative of the entire United States, he bows to the Saudi king, we all bow to the Saudi king.
    Just another example of how these people all woefully inexperienced, not to mention how protected they are by the media. If you think for half a second that any other President or First Lady would have gotten away with this, you sir, are sadly mistaken.

  5. Upon thinking and listening and trying to establish a open minded opinion, there were some good and some bad comments made by O’Socialist that I’ll speak on.

    First, O’Prompter’s comment that we are not a Christian nation. In, my 44 years of life, The USA has always been a Christain nation, so now the we have a black president, haow did that suddenly change? It didn’t!! BO is either very disconnected with this country, or his agenda is clearly aimed at that. Is the Anti-Christ now the leader of the most powerful country on the planet? Or, were his comments just made to ease tensions with the Muslims? I can’t read his mind, but I don’t like the negative possibilities.

    The Christain majority should stand up with full force and remind this whackball what the reality really is, and that it will not change!

    Next, the “bow” to the King of Saudi Arabia. I do have some first hand knowledge of the customs of the Saudi’s, having spent alot of time there. At age 25, I was invited to a meeting at King Khalid National Airport, where I was stationed at the time. My Commander requested me to attend, mainly because the topic was air base ground defense. My Commander, myself met with the Crown Prince, who was also in cahrge of the Royal Air Force. To make this short, I was told “NOT” to bow, because I was not a Saudi national. I was also not to extend my hand for a handshake, unless the Prince did so first. Lastly, do not do anything with my left hand, incuding sipping tea or eating dates (which I can tell you all, that was some nasty tasting stuff). If Obama did bow, it was sending the wrong message.

    I’m seeing the second term of Jimmy Carter develope before my eyes, as far as our national security is concerned, I’m not sure if BO could handle a major conflict, for many reasons that I will get into over the next two days.

    I give BO a C-. His agenda, or disconnect with our Cristian nation bothers me alot.

    Happy Easter to all and God Bless you and your family.

    G

  6. First of all, I feel the same as you USW, he did in fact bow and as Press Secretary Gibbs said, he lowered himself and grasped the Kings hand with two hands. Looking closer at the video, he did NOT grasp with two hands when he “bowed”, one could clearly see his other hand coming up after he bowed. He then should have bowed to the Queen as well, she is more deserving of such respect. This fellow Gibbs is really on par for being about the same type of person as Saddam Husseins’ former press secretary, very amusing for sure! A D there.

    Obama’s main intent of the G 20 was to garner support for our economic woes which he did not do. As he said, “We owe it to all our citizens to act with urgency. We have agreed upon a series of unprecedented steps to restore growth and prevent a crisis like this from happening again. We have rejected the protectionism that could deepen this crisis. … This cooperation between the world’s leading economies signals our support for open markets. Second, we are committed to comprehensive reform of a failed regulatory system. We can rebuild our global prosperity if we act with the sense of common purpose, persistence, and optimism that our moment demands”.
    Therefore, I conclude that he ought to go to the root of our problem, a Congress and other leaders who are obsessed with their own self serving agenda and make the ones who got us into this mess to be held accountable. A D on this one.

    As for getting more boots on the ground from our “allies” he did not get support there except some token training support. An F for that one.

    To call our nation one that is not Christian but made of many peoples, I don’t give that too much credibility, our country was founded on those Christian principles and as we can see, Obama may not stand for those unless it is advantageous or convenient to do so. A D there.

    For Obama to apologize for America being arrogant, perhaps he should have used another word, arrogant doesn’t cut it. We have always been there in time of need for countries who have encountered some type of natural disaster. Usually it is the military who put themselves in harms way by rescuing people or delivering aid. We have always stepped up to the plate and that could be perceived as arrogant because some other countries may balk at it because it’s not their problem. Or maybe they’re just indifferent and don’t want to get involved. An F for that one!

    For our President to continue bashing President Bush overseas was terrible and that is in fact the arrogance he was speaking against. He should have kept his mouth closed on that one. If he wants to get off the hook and make himself a scapegoat thereby ending the discussion and by saying he takes responsibility for this or that, then do so and quit the blame game. An F again.

    When he went to Turkey, I feel that was one of his better moves. For Turkey to enter the European Union, that would be a plus for all. We as a country also need to garner more support from countries like Turkey. Incirlik is an important logistical base for the Nato command as it is close to Iran, Syria, and Iraq. A B there.

    All in all, Obamas’ trip to Europe was like he is still campaigning to become President. I wish he’d spend more time at home, concentrating on the issues that affect all Americans.

    As for giving an overall grade for his trip, I give a D.

  7. US,
    Grade C-

    He made blunders that should not be made. OK, I don’t know much about dealing with foreign dignitaries, but I think he has some people working for him that are supposed to know. A visit from head of state means exchange of gifts. Are you not graded for learning from your mistakes, or failing to do so?

    I think there is levels on bowing, that lowering your head below their is putting yourself sub-servant, to the same level is as equals. And I think the wrong message, at the wrong place and time. What do the Saudi’s and OPEC respect or respond to? If they see weakness, does anyone think it will not be exploited?

    Public opinion. The UK may not feel touching the queen is a small thing. Diss the queen is like insulting the whole country.
    And while US public opinion should be more important to our leaders, pissing off your closest ally over simple blunders may be costly. And courting closer friendship with countries that have demonstrated self-interest above all other qualities. Not good judgment.

    Talking tough is worst than silence, if you don’t have the will to back it with action. N. Korea launches a missile with stern warning, and no consequences. Pirates seize an American ship, and see more response from the crew than out leaders.

    Some idiot said the president would be tested in his first few days in office. He has and is being tested, and has and is failing miserably. The major powers are seeing the weakest leader of the strongest nation in decades. And what is their condition? Does China want to reclaim Taiwan now? Is Israel going to attack Iran’s nuclear facility? Will there be another Yom Kippur war? With Russia supplying Iran and the US supplying talk?

    Obama says, everybody sing,
    Why can’t we be friends, why can’t we be friends
    He can get Michael Jackson to lead them in ‘We are the World”

    I feel so safe and warm and cozy now, Obama will make the world love us and each other. Hugs and kisses to all.

    And a sincere Happy Easter, and a prayer for all.

  8. Ship’s captain rescued,3 Somali pirates dead.

    Next week will will discover that the U.S. broke the law and Hillary will be skipping off to Somalia with a big bag of money and apologies.

    Obama will be credited with a smashing success in his first foray into a crisis.

    • The only success there is the U.S. Navy Seal team that rescued the Captain. Except that they left one of the “pirates” alive . . . 😦

      FYI – Which President can we “thank” for what Somalia is today?

  9. Good job USWeapon,i think the bow had a little more signifigance to obummer than it did for you. I think he was submitting to his superior,but otherwise right on target. A+ for Larry, nice post

  10. To start this off, first let me say that I have not read all of your post yet. I probably will finish it later today or earlier this evening. So if this response does not sound exactly on track, well then you now know why.

    My grade for the Messiah abroad . . . a resounding F

    Let me give the reasons why;

    To begin with, the obvious disgusting and dangerous way he has disrespected all of our most steadfast and loyal allies from the Queen of England to Israel.

    Next, to bow like a slave to the King of Saudi Arabia is the most embarrassing act that I have ever seen in my life!

    Third, his speech that apologized to Islam for the war on terror – oh, I am sorry, he already proclaimed that it isn’t a war anymore – is best described by Al Jazeera below;

    Al Jazeera’s Anita McNaught, reporting from Istanbul, said:

    “This was the address we had all been waiting for, it hit all the right notes. “He talked about the contribution of the Islamic faith in the life of American Muslims and then he personalised that message by saying ‘I know because I am one of them‘. It was a message that reached out to many today….”

    He is one of them? Really? Is that statement like the fact that he and the MSM continue to tout his blackness while disregarding that he is half white? NO, I AM NOT A RACIST! I am furious that this President used his genetic heritage during the political campaign just to get elected, then disregarded it once in office. I see the statement that he is “one of them” as a prelude to admitting, once and for all, that he is of an Islamic religion.

    In case all of you who frequent this board have forgotten – THOSE 19 MEN WHO KILLED OVER THREE THOUSAND AMERICANS ON 11 SEP 2001 WHERE OF AN ISLAMIC RELIGION ACTING ON ORDERS FROM THEIR RELIGIOUS BOOK THE KORAN!

    I have given this President all the leeway that I can possibly muster. I promised my cousin that I would wait and see before I passed judgment on this President – and my cousin e-mailed me last week and admitted to me that HE was now disenchanted with HIS pick for the Presidency and that my warnings to him during the two year campaign were dead right on. To be honest, my cousin(along with the rest of those in the family that I grew up in) is so Liberal that he is almost a Communist, so hearing that from him speaks VOLUMES to me about this President.

    I know that I have written this response in much anger, but consider that I have excersized monumental strength in curtailing my anger also while writing this. To say that I am furious is the understatement of the millennium.

    I am an American fighting man. I have sworn on a Christian Bible to protect and defend the people and the Constitution of my free nation against all enemies without or within with my life, if necessary. Even though I did that way back when I was seventeen, and I retired from the USMC over twenty years ago, I will still stand and fight my country’s enemies to this day! To have my President go onto foreign soil and give a speech (more than one, I might add) that is tantamount to surrendering this nation to not another country, but to a PHONY RELIGION, well I hope that the reader can understand and realize that this President wants to end our more than 200 year history within the four years he will be in office.

    I truly and honestly believe that what he has done on this trip abroad is nothing less than treasonous, and he should be impeached!

    Humble or not, THAT IS MY OPINION!

    • G.A., Something you seem to have not mentioned is that most of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia.I’m sure you know that.

      • Ron,

        It makes no difference WHERE those murderers were from. They were ALL of an Islamic religion. All of Islam follow the SAME book, some just spell it differently, it is called the Koran. In that book, it states that it is required that all who follow those teachings have but one purpose in life . . . and that is to convert all who they meet to Islam or kill them!

  11. America’s president is anything but presidential and while here in Canada a majority of those on the street say they “like” him, the vast majority in business are extremely happy he’s not running the show here. I know I am.

  12. As a PR stunt it was an A with all that air time. As a matter of laying the groundwork for future meetings, it should be seen by Americans as a C at best. Obama was clearly shown that America will not be dictating anything anymore. You might not understand the significance of that right now but you certainly will in time.

    For our boy Harper it was a solid B for driving the point that our financial system passed this “acid test”. The Canadian banking system, as your very own Steve Forbes has spoken of for some time now, had put in place the measures for prevention of this type of fiasco long ago and now has others in the EU actively looking into the Canadian model. Not bad for your largest trading partner, eh?

  13. I’m admitting my dislike and distrust of BO right up front so it’s with these “prejudiced” eyes that I observed this trip.

    Because we really don’t know much about this man, we watch his every move and statement to try to really figure out what he his all about,what drives him, and where he sees our Country heading. So here he goes on foreign soil and at just about every opportunity, disses the US (and Bush – very disrespectful). There are ways of accepting our role in areas like the financial crisis but then standing firm that we are still a leader and remind countries of how often they come to us and can still look to us for that support. Alan mentions above that BO clearly showed that America will not be dictating anything anymore; I agree -when your own President beats you up, why would any other country not also?

    The faux pas of touching the Queen and bowing to the Saudi King, are in fact the actions that we are watching and learning about who this guy is. Just the mere fact that the White House is so adamantly denying this “bow” speaks volumes. And a gift of IPOD with his own speeches on it as a gift to the Queen? You want to talk arrogance!?!

    Then of course, it’s the results or lack thereof that really count, as many of you have alluded to above so I won’t repeat. The White House spin on this after the fact, is that they didn’t expect results immediately, but this trip was just to lay the groundwork for the future. Really? Leading into the trip, they talked of all the great things that BO would accomplish while there!

    Are they naive, inexperienced, anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Capitalist, all of the above? With great concern, I’d pick the latter.

    On a lighter note, a Blessed Easter to you all!

  14. The 28 fundamental beliefs of the Founding Fathers which they said must be understood and perpetuated by every people who desired peace, prosperity, and freedom are the sole reason why America has been so successful while other countries have not.This success has other countries look at us with envy, hence the anti-Americanism from such said peoples.Understanding these beliefs will allow you to understand why Obamas G-20 summit was a disaster.He does not abide by nor does his political doctrine include these beliefs.It is evident by his actions as POTUS so far since his inception into office.I grade him and F and will not repost what others of you have already stated I am thouroughly impressed with the posters comments above.

    28 Fundamental beliefs of our Founding Fathers:

    Principle 1 – The only reliable basis for sound government and just human relations is Natural Law.

    Natural law is God’s law. There are certain laws which govern the entire universe, and just as Thomas Jefferson said in the Declaration of Independence, there are laws which govern in the affairs of men which are “the laws of nature and of nature’s God.”

    Principle 2 – A free people cannot survive under a republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.

    “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” – Benjamin Franklin

    Principle 3 – The most promising method of securing a virtuous people is to elect virtuous leaders.

    “Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt. He therefore is the truest friend to the liberty of his country who tries most to promote its virtue, and who … will not suffer a man to be chosen into any office of power and trust who is not a wise and virtuous man.” – Samuel Adams

    Principle 4 – Without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained.

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports…. And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.” – George Washington

    Principle 5 – All things were created by God, therefore upon him all mankind are equally dependent, and to him they are equally responsible .

    The American Founding Fathers considered the existence of the Creator as the most fundamental premise underlying all self-evident truth. They felt a person who boasted he or she was an atheist had just simply failed to apply his or her divine capacity for reason and observation.

    Principle 6 – All mankind were created equal.

    The Founders knew that in these three ways, all mankind are theoretically treated as:

    Equal before God.
    Equal before the law.
    Equal in their rights.
    Principle 7 – The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not provide equal things.

    The Founders recognized that the people cannot delegate to their government any power except that which they have the lawful right to exercise themselves.

    Principle 8 – Mankind are endowed by God with certain unalienable rights.

    “Those rights, then, which God and nature have established, and are therefore called natural rights, such as are life and liberty, need not the aid of human laws to be more effectually invested in every man than they are; neither do they receive any additional strength when declared by the municipal [or state] laws to be inviolable. On the contrary, no human legislation has power to abridge or destroy them, unless the owner [of the right] shall himself commit some act that amounts to a forfeiture.” – William Blackstone

    Principle 9 – To protect human rights, God has revealed a code of divine law.

    “The doctrines thus delivered we call the revealed or divine law, and they are to be found only in the Holy Scriptures. These precepts, when revealed, are found by comparison to be really a part of the original law of nature, as they tend in all their consequences to man’s felicity.” – William Blackstone

    Principle 10 – The God-given right to govern is vested in the sovereign authority of the whole people.

    “The fabric of American empire ought to rest on the solid basis of the consent of the people. The streams of national power ought to flow immediately from that pure, original fountain of all legislative authority.” – Alexander Hamilton

    Principle 11 – The majority of the people may alter or abolish a government which has become tyrannical.

    “Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes … but when a long train of abuses and usurpations … evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.” – Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence

    Principle 12 – The United States of America shall be a republic.

    “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America
    And to the republic for which it stands….”

    Principle 13 – A Constitution should protect the people from the frailties of their rulers.

    “If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary…. [But lacking these] you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.” – James Madison

    Principle 14 – Life and liberty are secure only so long as the rights of property are secure .

    John Locke reasoned that God gave the earth and everything in it to the whole human family as a gift. Therefore the land, the sea, the acorns in the forest, the deer feeding in the meadow belong to everyone “in common.” However, the moment someone takes the trouble to change something from its original state of nature, that person has added his ingenuity or labor to make that change. Herein lies the secret to the origin of “property rights.”

    Principle 15 – The highest level of prosperity occurs when there is a free-market economy and a minimum of government regulations.

    Prosperity depends upon a climate of wholesome stimulation with four basic freedoms in operation:

    The Freedom to try.
    The Freedom to buy.
    The Freedom to sell.
    The Freedom to fail.
    Principle 16 – The government should be separated into three branches .

    “I call you to witness that I was the first member of the Congress who ventured to come out in public, as I did in January 1776, in my Thoughts on Government … in favor of a government with three branches and an independent judiciary. This pamphlet, you know, was very unpopular. No man appeared in public to support it but yourself.” – John Adams

    Principle 17 – A system of checks and balances should be adopted to prevent the abuse of power by the different branches of government.

    “It will not be denied that power is of an encroaching nature and that it ought to be effectually restrained from passing the limits assigned to it.” – James Madison

    Principle 18 – The unalienable rights of the people are most likely to be preserved if the principles of government are set forth in a written Constitution.

    The structure of the American system is set forth in the Constitution of the United States and the only weaknesses which have appeared are those which were allowed to creep in despite the Constitution.

    Principle 19 – Only limited and carefully defined powers should be delegated to government, all others being retained by the people.

    The Tenth Amendment is the most widely violated provision of the bill of rights. If it had been respected and enforced America would be an amazingly different country than it is today. This amendment provides:

    “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

    Principle 20 – Efficiency and dispatch require that the government operate according to the will of the majority, but constitutional provisions must be made to protect the rights of the minority.

    “Every man, by consenting with others to make one body politic under one government, puts himself under an obligation to every one of that society to submit to the determination of the majority, and to be concluded [bound] by it.” – John Locke

    Principle 21 – Strong local self-government is the keystone to preserving human freedom.

    “The way to have good and safe government is not to trust it all to one, but to divide it among the many, distributing to every one exactly the functions he is competent [to perform best]. – Thomas Jefferson

    Principle 22 – A free people should be governed by law and not by the whims of men.

    “The end of law is not to abolish or restrain, but to preserve and enlarge freedom. For in all the states of created beings, capable of laws, where there is no law there is no freedom. For liberty is to be free from restraint and violence of others, which cannot be where there is no law.” – John Locke

    Principle 23 – A free society cannot survive as a republic without a broad program of general education.

    “They made an early provision by law that every town consisting of so many families should be always furnished with a grammar school. They made it a crime for such a town to be destitute of a grammar schoolmaster for a few months, and subjected it to a heavy penalty. So that the education of all ranks of people was made the care and expense of the public, in a manner that I believe has been unknown to any other people, ancient or modern. The consequences of these establishments we see and feel every day [written in 1765]. A native of America who cannot read and write is as rare … as a comet or an earthquake.” John Adams

    Principle 24 – A free people will not survive unless they stay strong.

    “To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.” – George Washington

    Principle 25 – “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.”- Thomas Jefferson, given in his first inaugural address.

    Principle 26 – The core unit which determines the strength of any society is the family; therefore the government should foster and protect its integrity.

    “There is certainly no country in the world where the tie of marriage is more respected than in America, or where conjugal happiness is more highly or worthily appreciated.” Alexis de Tocqueville

    Principle 27 – The burden of debt is as destructive to human freedom as subjugation by conquest.

    “We are bound to defray expenses [of the war] within our own time, and are unauthorized to burden posterity with them…. We shall all consider ourselves morally bound to pay them ourselves and consequently within the life [expectancy] of the majority.” – Thomas Jefferson

    Principle 28 – The United States has a manifest destiny to eventually become a glorious example of God’s law under a restored Constitution that will inspire the entire human race.

    The Founders sensed from the very beginning that they were on a divine mission. Their great disappointment was that it didn’t all come to pass in their day, but they knew that someday it would. John Adams wrote:

    “I always consider the settlement of America with reverence and wonder, as the opening of a grand scene and design in Providence for the illumination of the ignorant, and the emancipation of the slavish part of mankind all over the earth.”

    Happy easter and god bless folks,

    DGH.

    • Good Post TC!

    • Excellent posting there TC! I’m always amazed how much more there is to learn through other peoples’ ideas and concepts, thank you!

    • I just have to disagree. The USA is blessed by an amazing economy. It is the result of great expanses of lands favorable to growing all manners of crops. As well, the USA possesses bountiful resources. Those and those reasons alone made the USA a very powerful nation. Sheer economics makes this a reality. The contribution of the USA to WW2 was one of quantity, not quality.
      Granted the USA is powerful. But to think a nation is “great” is subjective.

      • Wrong Dave…

        The USA is or rather was blessed with an amazing economy because of the hard work of men and women that had those 28 beliefs instilled within them and the willpower to use those principle to their advantage to harvest those resources.The contribution of America to WWII was “quantity” and “quality” when the sleeping giant was awoke.Most people will say the USA is great because of the freedoms we have, but those freedoms have withstood the ravages of time because of those fundamental beliefs.Without them the moral fabric of our society will tear and rip apart.In fact it’s happening right before our eyes now.

  15. Screw the bow!

    I am an emissary, an ambassador of sorts, very much representing the US in all I do here. I bow, make nice, even give a hug and a kiss to the most repugnant types imaginable but, all that being done, I believe in my demeanor, eye contact etc, these very same types for whom I make public display of deference also know I will drop them without a blink of an eye.

    I hope my CIC has allowed that aspect to also permeate these meetings.

    “All enlisted men are stupid, but they are cunning and deceitful and bear considerable watching.”

  16. Ray Hawkins says:

    “I am frankly quite tired of listening to the liberal press try to convince Americans of the evils of George Bush and the Republicans. A constant theme running through the reporting on this was that Bush ruined America’s reputation in the world and that this trip was “a first step in restoring the image of America”. To this I say bullshit.”

    and

    “First of all, Bush was not nearly as disliked abroad as the MSM would have you believe. The hatred of Bush is media driven in America. That doesn’t have nearly the same effect internationally. Just another example of Americans making the mistake of not knowing world realities and assuming the world thinks just the same way we do.”

    While I don’t want to fall into a debate of “what are your sources and are they legit” – I’m trying to understand what if any were the sources to draw these conclusions? What exactly are you calling bullshit to? You don’t think that President Bush had anything to do with the perceptions of the US abroad or at home? Or it is completely the concoction of a liberal media? Eh – not sure about that. While there are sites out there that appear to offer objective assessment of public opinion both nationally and internationally (http://www.pollingreport.com/ & http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/views_on_countriesregions_bt/463.php?lb=btvoc&pnt=463&nid=&id=) the analysis seems to tell us that sometimes regardless of who tells us the story (http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm) the assessment seems to come out the same. Futher, there appears to be research out there that digs deeper into the issue but getting access to it is not so easy (http://irap.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/lcn013v1). So please do tell where we get this conclusion or if it falls into the bucket of “it is so because I said it and this is my blog which is opinion always, supported fact somtimes”.

    To go on – and I am sure I missed a full blown post on MSM – I do believe there is a self-fulfilling prophecy with media – sort of like opinion polling that Karl Rove used to do to not so much inquire but to suggest upon perception. Media in general feels like more analysis and opining than reporting – and I am not convinced it is all left wing as the righties here suggest – the fact that a primary news outlet is an advocate of the 4/15 tea bagging is a clear demonstration of journalism becoming activism – its not just the facts anymore. And by the way – tea bagging? Did ya have to pick such a double entendre? Whoa! Perhaps we revert back to simple questions that we, as voters, as citizens must answer when we decide. And not the shallow – are ya better off today than you were four years ago and do you know why? Do you feel safer now than you did under President Bush (or whomever) – and can you explain why? If your source of why is Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, Michelle Malkin, Paul Krugman or Rush Limbaugh then you didn’t do your homework. But enough already.

    Thanks,
    Ray

    • Ray,

      I lived in Germany from 83′-91, and in the UK from ’94-97. Guess what, Anti-Americanism was in full bloom in both places, even when Clinton was in office! So don’t try to tell me that the hatred for America is G.W.’s fault. I saw it in many cases for myself. Nice try..

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        I am not saying hatred was the result of President Bush – I am trying to inquire as to how and if it has shifted over time and why. Rare is the manifestation of any particular globally reaching phenomena the result of the administration du jour versus what was done prior.

    • USWeapon says:

      I am not trying to claim that Bush had nothing to do with it. I am rejecting the common arguments made these days that everything is Bush’s fault. He took actions that made worse a situation already made bad by many before him. I will make the claim because it is my blog. I get my thoughts from personal experience. I would challenge you to provide evidence that Bush is to blame for our standing in the world being not good. That is a claim that is based on nothing besides hating Bush. You should know me well enough to know that I don’t like Bush either, but the “last 8 years” rhetoric is getting old. Everything can be blamed on the “last 8 years of failed Bush policies”. That is the bullshit I reject. Only liberals with an agenda and no critical thinking skills lay this all at the feet of one man or even one party.

      • Ray Hawkins says:

        Well now – you’d also know that critical thinking should involve more than just personal observation – but this tit for tat goes no where. To further explore my point, it is recognized that in our short attention spans we tend not to look at root cause – that has played many times in our history. The idea or notion that the reality or perception that foreigners hate us because of President Bush and the reason why is the American MSM is simply verbal ejaculate if you don’t actually explore why – that’s lazy blogging and not critical thinking – you have every right to not research and present w/commentary the totality as is available and present merely a biased op ed based on what you have read or seen – just don’t ask for people who disagree with you to ‘back up their claims’ when there is no quid pro quo.

        FTR – do you think that the usage of blame or context setting is more a negotiating device by the Obama administration or a sincere ‘we blame him for everything’ approach to give them an out? To use President Obama’s own example I saw reported in the news relative to ‘turning the economy around’ – I agree that turning the ship around is a long process when that ship is like a super tanker – it will not and does not happen overnight (which is also why I laugh when some pundits claim the stimulus plan is already working) – the point is that the ship was not in the direction it was when this administration began to pilot as a result of something that happened over night or even the prior 8 years.

        • You are correct, and I would think it is obvious that I am fairly well read on world events, world opinion, and political realities. Critical thinking comes into play when I weigh all that I read and make some common sense deductions. I have not implied that Bush didn’t have plenty to do with world opinion. I instead claimed that he was not solely to blame. Which evidence would you like me to support, the 2.3 trillion news articles on all the American abuses of power over the last 40 years, the 4.5 Trillion articles about American extravagance over the last 40 years, or the 15 Trillion blog comments that make inane statements like France can go screw themselves. I would imagine all of those things have had far more to do with our “image abroad” than Bush. Because I don’t offer a citation or reference for all of these things doesn’t mean that I have not critically thought, or even that I am lazy. As it is this blog takes about 4 hours a day. I don’t get paid to do it, so it is on my free time, which there is a limited amount of. Can you imagine my life if I had to reference every opinion I put into an article, lest I be judged as offering little more than “verbal ejaculate”? But if you lay the world’s opinion all at Bush’s feet, I do ask that you explain why you are disregarding all of those other factors. I apologize if I made it sound like I needed references to prove Bush was bad for our image. I meant more to say I would like something showing me why this is ALL Bush’s fault or that even a majority of the hate out there is a result of his actions. Many of those who hate us out there didn’t form that opinion in the last 8 years. They flew planes into towers shortly into his watch. They did a lot of terrorist acts prior to his watch. I think it is pretty safe to say they didn’t like us long before Bush came to office. If you claim otherwise, I reserve the right to ask for something to back up that claim.

        • To your other question. I think that the blame Bush for everything is a tactic that allows them to put Republicans on the sidelines while they attack the agenda that they have been wanting all along. The recent economic debates were a prime example. How many times when Republicans raised objections were we given the statement “failed policies of the last 8 years” as a reason to ignore the Republicans.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Agreed – I suppose it is an effective strategy politically but very misleading – accomplish your agenda on merit no lies. As I said in posts past – its the same reason President Clinton was applauded for the economic growth during his terms whilst most macro-economists agreed that his policies had little to do with the success (and conversely, why President Bush (I) was improperly blamed for the economy and I feel, lost the election because of it).

  17. OK, I have read through all the posts so now I’m gonna say my piece. I have to say I agree with a lot of what some have said, especially G.A. Rowe. I give the worthless SOB a resounding “F”! If I could enlarge and Bold that “F” I would.

    My reasons differ slightly from GA’s in that what pisses me off the worst is the fact of the piece of dookey going before foreign leaders and putting his own Country down. I could care less than nothing about the bow, or two handed shake, or the gift faux pas.

    Sure, you could argue that America is arrogant. After all, we’ve only had to pull Europe’s ass out from under Germany TWICE! France hasn’t won a war since Napolean. Someone always has to save their frog asses and they don’t like being beholden to anyone. Well boo-frickedy-hoo! If you could fight maybe we wouldn’t have to keep saving your worthless butts. And then we come to Germany. WOW! You stupid A-holes just don’t learn do you? You’re not in the place to demand JACK from us. First you’re a Bullying Monarchy, then you’re a Socialist Bully with a wacko leader. Now, you’re a Socialist nation again! Hell, no wonder your country is in such bad shape.

    But don’t worry boys, Obutthead the Magnificent Ass-Kisser will save the day! I can just see him now; turban on his head, big pair of puckered lips stuck to a brown hole on his pink supersuit, flying in to save the day by turning his own country into Socialists, all the while blaming Bush for making it all necessary!

    I too, am sick and frickin’ tired of hearing BUSH, BUSH, BUSH! I actually saw a post blaming Bush for the Stimulus Bill! TARP was his, but I sure didn’t hear Congress whining like little girls when they passed it! Bush, much to the Liberal’s chagrin, also cannot be blamed for the 3.6 TRILLION dollar budget we are apparently going to have next year. Nor the almost TWENTY Billion deficit we’ll have by 2019! That, my friends, will ALL be Obama’s BULLDOOKEY!

    Have ANY of us thought, what this nation might be like under President Bush if 9/11 had not taken place? He might, or might not have, had a totally different Presidency. 9/11 changed America forever. It changed our focus from peace to War overnight. At least for a couple of weeks. I still to this day will not watch a movie with Susan Sarandon in it. Just like my Dad won’t watch one with “Hanoi” Jane Fonda in it. Islam is NOT a peaceful Religion. It may indeed be that it is supposed to be, but these days it is not. God help us if the Terrorists get their shit together enough to put another attack in the Continental U.S.! I don’t this Pres. has the Intestinal Fortitude to do a damn thing about it except run to the UN crying! I sincerely hop I’m wrong.

    • Esomhillgazatte,

      I understand how you feel about the Bush bashing. I’ve had to listen to it for eight stinkin’ years and I’m sick of it. The silver lining on that cloud is the ultra short attention span and memory of the American electorate. The reason for the liberal Bush-Harping is so the voters don’t forget Bush. That way the Messiah can get away with anything and Bush will get the blame. But fear not, most poeple will lose interest in the Bush bashing after a while, and hold the Messiah accountable for his actions.

      • esomhillgazette says:

        Thanks Cyndi. All the Bush bashing is starting to get on my nerves. EVERY speech Obutthead makes he mentions the mess Bush left us in. Makes me start to wonder about Conspiracy Theories about the Economic Crash! LOL

    • CWO2USNRet says:

      A failure of Leadership 101. If you have the job you own the problems and failures. You do not cast blame or shrug off responsibility. To do so weakens your respect and authority.

      Our Commander in Chief and President is a man with no executive or military experience and it shows.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Astonishing. Simply astonishing. This is a great board for seeing the overwhelming right sided spectrum – but calling our President a piece of shit? Folks our world is far more integrated than I think you realize – pretending we can still engage isolationism is simply naive.

      • I agree, we should not be calling him a piece of shit.

        • If it is expected that Mr Bush be treated with respect, then it is also expected that others be treated the same. To call Mr Obama
          O’prompter, Obutthead, obummer, the worthless SOB, Obutthead the Magnificent Ass-Kisser, big pair of puckered lips stuck to a brown hole on his pink supersuit, and Messiah speaks volumes about the people who posted such.
          It also defines whether respect flows both ways in this forum.

          • Ray Hawkins says:

            Thanks guys – very well put

          • USWeapon says:

            He is the President but he is just a man, and if he relies on a teleprompter and fumbles anytime his speechwriters aren’t telling him waht to say I will say so. If he is cast as the Messiah by an adoring media and a uninformed public, I will call him so. I show the President plenty of respect. Go back and read some more past posts and you will find it to be so. Respect flows all ways in this forum, and my treatment of those who do not share my opinion backs that statement up. Should the President decide to jump in and comment I will treat him with the same respect that I treat every other member of the commenting public. I call it like I see it and I write for fun and because I love the topics and discussions. For the record, I will also call Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, etc names when I deem it appropriate. I have a threshold for how nasty I will allow myself to be. I don’t care what party they are from. I call a spade a spade my friend, and it seems that you are simply in disagreement with the overall sentiment of liberty we discuss in this site so instead of engaging it in intellectual debate, you are expressing outrage at the language being used. I might also point out that thus far nothing said about the President comes anywhere close to even comparing to the hate and vitriol we saw from Democrats towards Bush for the last 8 years. Dare I say pot, this is kettle?

          • USWeapon says:

            And for the record I don’t care what you call Bush, but I do care if facts are distorted as an excuse for taking us down the path of socialism. Blaming Bush for everything is a tactic , and an effective one, but it is not an honest one.

          • esomhillgazette says:

            Since when has Bush EVER been treated with respect? Besides, That is my opinion of Obama. If you don’t like it don’t read my posts! I quite frankly could care less whether you like what he is called or not. The respect is in the Office that he holds, not he man. I have NO respect for him and refuse to pretend that I do.

            For your info, I didn’t particularly like Bush’s Presidency. He made some mistakes that he could have avoided. I have had less and less respect for our government for quite a while now.

            But some of the same people who are offended at my name calling of Obama thought it was just funny as hell when Bush was the butt of the joke. Oh, and one more thing. Right or wrong, I said it. I am not in the habit of backing up from any statement I make. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

          • Don’t forget liar Dave! =)

          • Are we debating respect for office or respect for man and if so what differntiates the two?

            Respect is esteem for, or a sense of the worth or excellence of, a person, a personal quality, ability, or a manifestation of a personal quality or ability.(Basically respect is an earned quality)

            Pride and esteem for my country gives me the notion that the office of POTUS should be respected as a manifestation of the people of America.

            Obamas past history and associations, political doctrine and stance [which is easily determined by his past voting history in the senate]shows he has no respect for my beliefs as an American and what I desire for my society; therefore I assume you can see the dilemma I am faced with in regards to respecting this man.

  18. Ray Hawkins says:

    The oil futures market has as much if not more to do with the price of oil as OPEC – to lay it as the feet of OPEC is not accurate.

  19. I think all of you made great points and overall I give Obama a F+ on his G-20 Summit and international tour.

    I am a baptist and was raised in a Christian home all my life. I must disagree with Obama about the US not being a Christian nation but I must also say that 9/11 caused catastrophe and Islamic practices have been condemed as a reflection of this event. Now we all have been conditioned (by the news, President, ect) to believe that 9/11 was created and caused by Extremist Muslim but have you really looked into that? I have family members that are Muslims, practice Buddahism, are Jehovah witnesses ect. I just think its wrong for anyone to be judgmental towards any group as none of us are God. And I think it is extremely sad that we condemn those here in the US that practice this religion. Before 9/11 any religion was accepted with the exception of Cults and they were as well until something WACO. Please don’t get me wrong, I am not a terrorist nor Muslim, but I just think we as Americans need to really stop allowing the media outlet to tell us how to feel.

    Now, back to the post:
    -Touching the Queen: Shouldn’t have (C-)
    -Bowed to the Saudi King: Shouldn’t have; And his cabinet are wrong to lie to us. This should raise your eyebrows…what else are they lying to us about and hoping and assuming that we will forget (D-)
    -Comments about Islam- Some of his comments he should have kept to himself even he was trying to “make peace” or not. And him acknowledging that he is “one of them”…meaning Muslim, oh boy!(F)
    -Comments about Christinity: Shouldn’t have said (F)
    -Tone: okay (D)

    • USWeapon says:

      I think the “one of them” was meant that he was one of those raised in a muslim country, not that he is a muslim. Of course that is my opinion, I don’t know what he meant by it, but that is how I took it.

      • USWeapon is dead on. There’s no hidden message in whatever O is saying. If its on the prompter its what’s been agreed upon. He lacked the ummm awww usually carried when he’s attempting to adlib.

    • esomhillgazette says:

      Nubian: I did, in my rant above kind of land hard on Islam. What I should have said was that the Jihadist Islam practiced in a lot of the Islamic countries of N. African and Western Asia is not a peaceful Religion. That, however, can also be attributed to Radical Mullahs teaching ignorant kids what their version of the Koran alledgedly says. As far as American Islamics go, I don’t feel one way or the other about them. The ones I know in my town seem like nice folks.

      I believe when Obama said that he was one of them, he meant he was raised in a Muslim Country too. Where he offended me was in Apologizing to Europe and the Muslim Countries like we had done something wrong to them. I wondered why Obama felt he had to tell the Muslims that we were not at war with Islam. Bush has ALWAYS been very clear that our war was with terrorists and terrorism.

      IMO, if Obama wants more respect. He should stop campaigning like he was still running for office. Stop blaming the “Failed Policies of the last 8 years and FORMER Pres Bush; and get on with the job of President like he was elected to do!

      Maybe he should also keep a few of those campaign promises he made. But Wait! That truly would make him a different President now wouldn’t it? LOL!

  20. I called him obummer because 70% or so of his followers are all bummed out. They were so giddy and couldnt stop smiling or high fiving in the plant cafeteria and now they are so sullen and dispondent more and more as they learn who this new guy on the block really is and what he wants to do with their country. If he stops disrespecting me from me not wanting to pay for abortions to having his staff disrespect me by telling me he wasnt bowing he was just bending down and everything in between, then maybe i will stop calling him obummer, until then i have zero respect for the communist/marxist disguised in socialist clothing

  21. USWeapon , about the “one of them” comment, have you written a piece on B. Husseins lack of a birth certificate, only a certificate of live birth with no emblem seal on it. Also about the teams of lawyers he has battling any lawsuit of his b.c. from having to be presented. Or about his muslim family and his ties to Kenya and the muslim upbringing from his stepfathers. Also why wont he just release his b.c. and make us all look like fools and conspiracy nuts and all the money he would save from all these lawsuits demanding he show it.
    If not i would love to learn more . thanks

    • I want to see his college thesis paper too!Have you read Michelles?It is titled “Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community” but in my opinion should have been titled “The Racial Divide as Seen Through a Race based Prism”Read it if you haven’t already and you will see why she said, “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.”

      Obama states that he lost his thesis and that it was over the nuclear disarmament of the soviet union.How can you spend a year of your life writing a paper and not keep a copy?How can the paper have dissapeared from Columbia?

    • USWeapon says:

      I have not written on that subject because honestly I have not watned to touch it with a ten foot pole. I find it difficult to imagine that he would not have had to prove this to the people in charge already. I will continue to monitor and read and will write about it if I can get something concrete on it.

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      Does this quell the conspiracy theorists or stoke the fires?

      http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

      • Nice try Ray, no go look and see what the qualifications to get a short form birth certificate in the state of Hawaii are.Next time research before you post and it will save you embarassment.Come back and post the qualifications if ya’ dun mind as well please.

        • Ray Hawkins says:

          Okay genius – did you actually read the whole article I sent you? Scroll down, and then down some more – I suppose the birth announcement is also a fabrication and was part of a conspiracy started when he was born?

          • Ray,

            I believe the reason Obama let’s this rumor go on when it could be easily stopped is because he wants it to continue. His followers will dismiss the questioners as nut jobs, just like you are doing. Once the questioners have lost credibility, they are neutralized.

  22. TruthSeeker says:

    The only thing I question on the Birth Certificate is why has Obama not release it to squash the conspiracy theory? I mean is he trying to use the people that are calling for it to his political advantage? This whole thing could be dropped with the release of a simple document. What are you hidding Obama?

    • Ray Hawkins says:

      There is a reason he does not release the original. You see – this is actually a big old Oliver Stone movie that you are a key player in. Several years ago they decided to make a movie about a vast left wing conspiracy in which a foreign born Muslim terrorist gets elected President and institutes wide spread Socialism with the help of his secret lover Nancy Pelosi. To do so they must fabricate a birth certificate and even place a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper to ‘prove’ he was born a U.S. citizen. You and TexasChem are the co-lead actors (although you were not to realize it) and while initially dismissed as nut cases or ‘off your rockers’, you actually doggedly pursue this shady Barack Hussein Obama character, uncovering the forged birth certificate and revealing the vast conspiracy. Only problem was you two weren’t supposed to figure this out so soon – congratulations because you all are smarter than the rest of us.

  23. CanadianFox says:

    Us Weapon, As usual I was late seeing this blog. For the most part I would agree with the majority your assessments. I myself do not care for one instant if he bowed to the Saudi King. The one thing this President is so more adept at is understanding relationships and culture. I guess at this point I disagree with your assessment that we as a nation do not have an “image” to repair in the eyes of the world. I believe that the past President had no concept or understanding of how to relate to the rest of the world. And it thoroughly hurt our image. And like it or not, image is important. One other point of disagreement. Maybe because we are so obssessed with being known as a Christian nation, that is a huge part of the problem. I myself would rather be known and respected as just an excellent human being. It is much harder for rigid minded ideaologues to have an issue with that. Unless they are blinded by their “religion”. And then, that is their problem. Do I consider him a “Messiah” or that it was a “rock star tour”? No, I think it was just a good performance by a good human being who truly cares for the “majority” of the people in the world.

  24. Is fact check owned by soros?

  25. I heard that even the time/date/stamp embedded in his certificate of live birth is fairly recent,not 46yrs ago more like 5yrs, film has this too and then no seal oe anything. my kid could produce a document like this one

  26. Good job USWeapon,i think the bow had a little more signifigance to obummer than it did for you. I think he was submitting to his superior,but otherwise right on target. A+ for Larry, nice post

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